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Uh, all right, so let's say someone says they they trust in Christ, they they strive to follow Christ, and they they drive on the road and they get really, um, every now and then, you know, they get annoyed by bicyclists. I get annoyed by bicyclists when they hog the road, right? And once a year they lose their temper and then they yell at the guy on the bike and they drive off. And you say, "Oh, I'm I'm sorry for that, Lord." And then they they continue on. Um, will that person uh will that person still go to heaven if that's their behavior?
So, you said that they actually trust in Christ, not just they say they trust.
Say they trust in Christ, but they give in in a moment, they get really angry, and they yell at the bicyclist, and then they they drive off. And that happens them about once a year.
Okay. Now, you said they say they trust in Christ, but not everyone who says they trust in Christ.
Fine, they they trust in. Fine, they objectively say, "Lord, I trust in you for my salvation. Even though I'm a sinner, I'm not perfect. I'm sorry I yelled and I yelled at that guy." Well, that, you know, they trust in Christ. Well, about once a year they lose their patience, they yell at the guy on the bike. Will they go to heaven?
I think if the key condition of being saved is that they actually genuinely have saving faith in Christ, then they would be saved. And so, any sort of hypothetical you're going to give, whether it be anger on the on the road or swearing or other things, if they trust in Christ, God will save them, but God is God will has given them the eternal life, but he'll also discipline them for their sin, too, if if he wants to.
Okay. I'll just modify the hypothetical just a little bit. They genuinely trust in Christ for their salvation. About, you know, once a year when they drive by the bicyclist, they lose their patience, then they swerve their car over, they knock the guy over, and a lot of those bicyclists get killed. So, you know, they've over the course of their life they've killed maybe like a dozen bicyclists. But they genuinely trust in Christ and they desire salvation, and they give in in this moment of impatience, but instead of yelling, they just turn the wheel a little bit. But they genuinely trust in Christ for their salvation saying, you know, "Hey, I'm not perfect, but I trust in you." Will that person go to heaven?
If they are genuinely trusting in Christ, if they are one of his sheep, Jesus says that they have eternal life. And so, I trust the words of Jesus, but again, he will discipline them if he wants to for that sin and grow them in holiness.
Okay, so serial killers will go to heaven, but uh they'll just be they'll just get a little little discipline beforehand.
Well, cuz heaven's not for good people, it is for forgiven people. Even the Apostle Paul was a murderer. David was a murderer and an adulterer, and yet he had eternal life.
Did Did the Apostle Paul murder anyone after his conversion?
No, we don't have any record of him doing ever doing that.
Okay, uh but so you're saying someone who after they become a Christian, if they genuinely trust in Christ, even if they murder a dozen people, as long as they continue to trust in Christ, they could continue this pattern and they'll go to heaven.
Proponents of conditional security often use extreme hypotheticals to make eternal security appear absurd. These hypotheticals naturally evoke an emotional response, preventing the individual from logically assessing the argument. What if an individual believes in Christ and then, years later, lapses into unbelief and begins worshipping Satan? Are they still saved? What if an individual believes in Christ and then lives the rest of their days in unrepentant sin without remorse, sinful behavior such as homosexuality, murder, and rape? Are they still saved?
First and foremost, it's imperative to understand the reality of the new birth. The moment an individual believes on Christ, trusting him alone, they are born again into the family of God, thus becoming a child of God or son of God through faith. Every physical father would readily concede that there is no sin their son could commit that would cause them to cease being their child. In other words, once you are a son, you are always a son. I'll say that again, this is imperative to understand. Once you are a son, you are always a son, regardless of your behavior or actions. Every hypothetical proposed by proponents of conditional security can equally be applied to the relationship between physical father and son. Theoretically, if my child, God forbid, did worship Satan, commit murder, and practice overtly sinful behavior without remorse, watch this, they would still be my child. These proposed hypotheticals present no problem logically, nor do they nullify the security of sonship. Good fathers would readily confess that their love for their children is unconditional. Am I to believe my love for my children is greater than God's love for his? Perish the thought. Do I expect obedience? Absolutely. Do I discipline my children? Absolutely. Well, what if? It does not matter. My child is my child. God's child is God's child. The familial tie cannot be broken. I'll say that again, the familial tie cannot be broken.
Secondly, those who oppose eternal security rarely consider the natural consequences of sin, the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and the chastisement of the Father. It's as if these biblical concepts do not exist in their paradigm. They are seemingly incapable of considering any consequence for sin in the believer's life outside of the loss of salvation. Jeremiah chapter 2:19 says this, "Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee. Know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter that thou hast forsaken the Lord thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord God of hosts." Sin is not without consequence, especially for the child of God. The hypothetical believer who persists in extremely sinful behavior will doubtless reap the natural consequences of his iniquity. Ephesians chapter 4:30 says, "And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby, notice this, ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Notice that the believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, not until the next time they sin, not until they backslide and fall away, not until they commit a mortal sin or stop believing, but rather until the day of redemption. In what world does this truth coincide with conditional security? The indwelling spirit will doubtless be grieved and convict the child of God to correct their wayward behavior. However, the believer can exercise negative volition and choose to walk after the flesh. Hebrews chapter 12:6 says, "For whom the Lord loveth, he chasteneth and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons. For what son is he whom the Father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards and not sons. Again, the hypothetical believer who engages in extremely sinful behavior without remorse and repentance will undoubtedly be subjected to divine chastisement. For example, the Corinthians experienced weakness, sickness, and early death due to their behavior as believers. We would be remiss not to regard this reality when presented with such outlandish scenarios.
This argumentation also seemingly ignores the several scriptural examples we have recorded wherein a believer commits grievous sin. In 2 Samuel chapter 11, King David commits adultery with Bathsheba, compels Uriah, her husband, to become drunk, intending for him to lie with his wife and thereby cover up his sin and her pregnancy. When this fails, David intentionally writes a letter to Joab ordering the death of Uriah and has Uriah himself deliver the letter. King Solomon went after Ashtoreth, the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom, the abomination of the Ammonites. He built an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. Just Lot offered up his virgin daughters to be raped by a gang of Sodomites. Stop and think about that. Fathers, really consider this. Just Lot offered up his virgin daughters to be raped by a gang of Sodomites. He later became drunk and was involved in an incestuous relationship with both of his daughters resulting in their pregnancy. Now, do we as Christians endorse or condone this type of conduct? Absolutely not. However, we recognize it as a reality. This conduct was not without what? Consequence, conviction, or chastisement. Nevertheless, their sonship remained secure despite the depravity these men engaged in. I'll say that again. Don't miss this. Their sonship remained secure despite the depravity these men engaged in.
My friend, the wisdom of men will imagine endless hypotheticals to oppose the plain speech of God's word, to which I respond, "Let God be true, but every man a liar." In reality, it is a prideful and perverted perspective of God's grace to even assert that eternal security is somehow a license to sin. Those who oppose once saved always saved reveal the perversion of their own heart when they make such claims. Our security is not a license to sin, but rather a motivation to serve. I'll say that again. Our security is not a license to sin, but rather a motivation to serve. The Bible says, "The love of Christ constraineth us." Notice, not the fear of hell or the loss of salvation, the love of Christ. The same love from which the child of God cannot be separated. Romans chapter 8, verse 38 says, "For I am persuaded." Are you persuaded of this truth? That neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, watch this, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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