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A brilliant analyst, a wisest person, a profound author, who, in my opinion, should have been heading his own analytical center long ago, because when we talk about him, for me, he is simply a person who is the embodiment of intellectual tank of mind, so [laughter] he sits in the studio. This is Dmitry [snorts] Gennadievich Stafeev. Dmitry brilliantly formulated it somehow, but the professor looks at the world, of course. I really liked how the political scientist patalo, yes, patalogotom. [laughter] Everyone, we are all political scientists patalogonatom. Firstly, after this introduction, I just wanted to run away. Not just, >> well, nowhere to run. [laughter] I always ran away from such places, but I will probably describe it in the fifth volume of my memoirs, to fasten, >> which will never be named, how I left a couple of places, once even through the toilet window I left. Yes, it wasn't somewhere, I want to say, it was in Moscow. You're crazy, >> yes, but I had such episodes. Well, in short, uh, you know, the time is now such, we are all political scientists, pathologists. >> Dim, sorry, I just when I saw one piece of news today, I thought: "And where are these going?" The FSB detained a New Zealand intelligence agent. Where are these going? I'll tell you where it's Five Eyes, because they think there will be less control over them, than much more aggressive ones will enter there, like the Japanese special services, they are all like that, all supposedly soft and fluffy. In reality, one of the most aggressive special services lately. And the New Zealanders, well, this is, you know, there are similar eccentrics in Europe. These are the Belgians. So they, well, as if they, the Germans, the BND, the British, the Americans, they were low and humble, but they performed, and I think they continue to perform important functions for our military-industrial complex, for technical intelligence, but in general, of course, such, well, and from the Americans for many things, not the British should be punished, the Americans can be reprimanded. Well, what are you doing there? We remember, we caught your spy in 1973. There was a spy. But those like New Zealand, you know, should be demonstratively whipped, say, this is not allowed. But you know, >> yes, guys, your phrase really needs to be used. Where are you climbing? This is a breakdown of whether you will exist as a state at all, don't interfere. Not your level of question. Okay, and it's true. >> Ah, well, we are all political scientists, pathologists, anatomists, because the genre of political forecasting has not just died, you know, it's a bit pointless. But from what did the corpse die, and did it sweat before death? That's what we all are much more, right? In this sense, I am beginning to feel very strong competition from more advanced colleagues, right, but the times are such, because, you know, I read, and you know, I am forced to read many things and try to read a lot of what Americans write and Americans write about us. Remember, about two years ago, maybe even more, we were talking in this same studio, and one thing was said, that Americans, and specifically Americans, not British, not Germans, but specifically Americans believe that the current, the current Russian society is Soviet, only fatter and in this sense more vulnerable than Soviet. So. They don't understand the fundamental difference in thinking, behavior, self-esteem sometimes between Soviet, especially late Soviet society. And I'm not talking about post-war society, I didn't experience it. I experienced the society of the seventies. With the Soviet society of the seventies, what happened to the Soviet society of the late eighties would never have happened. But that's a separate conversation, let historians deal with it, but we have a completely different society. Look at the whole story with this infrastructural escalation. Infrastructural escalation, which is quite rapid from the West. And here, forgive me, I will say, Zelensky is just an avatar for infrastructural escalation against us, for strikes on Crimea, on energy, on refineries - this is a decision of the West. >> Of course, >> first of all, first of all, the most aggressive forces of Europe led by London, but also a significant part of the American elite, including Trump's entourage. Let's look at that too. But, uh, all this was calculated in reality. And Zelensky blabbed about 40 days, within 40 days of the start of the infrastructural war, and this is probably around the fifteenth to seventeenth, well, June 15th, yes, within 40 days they intended to overthrow social stability in our society, to achieve significant socio-political results, not socio-economic, socio-political results. What is this about? This is about their confidence in their ability to provoke an immediate panic and steroid, even frankly, social, socio-political reaction in large Russian cities, in the regions and so on. But we, our youth there, who are in the apparatus and listen to us, in reality, and youth listen to us, as funny as it may sound. Or rather, not funny, but unpleasant for many. Our youth don't remember some things, but you and I remember perfectly well, remember the salt riots in Moscow in eighty-ninety, the lack of matches. I still have coupons for vodka on my shelf. As you know, I don't consume much vodka. I still have two monthly portions of vodka coupons left from then. This is all planned in anticipation of, in general, a slightly fatter and more vulnerable, but Soviet ordinary person. And you imagine, they are now trying to find various signs of social instability, they don't find them in reality or find very isolated one-off things, they are very surprised and generally in a state of great misunderstanding. But this is the main thing, this is the main thing that we need to value. We need to value the new quality of Russian society, which in reality has shown a very high degree of civic and political, excuse me, economic maturity. I think this is a factor that will play in our favor in the future. But this needs to be understood. They don't realize it. And it's very good that they don't realize it, right. But the idea, it's clear that for us, people who observe from within Russia, say, the evolution of our approaches to the special military operation. But this is, I'm probably saying some banalities, that people won't cause riots, as in such cases. I didn't experience it. Remember, in ninety-two, there were riots in Los Angeles. >> What else, >> yes? They couldn't stop it. >> They couldn't stop it with shooting, not the Marines, and not the National Guard, who were shooting randomly. The Korean Korean community of businessmen stopped it, who simply started shooting to kill. I haven't seen the riots myself, but fate brought me after that, [snorts] to California. And in ninety-three, in the autumn in Los Angeles, so I can tell you, even in the autumn of ninety-three in Los Angeles, the consequences of these riots were visible on the streets. There wasn't the horror that they are showing now, that is happening there. It was still relatively decent, but the riots were something else, right? They won't see anything like that from us. And it's an absolute banality for us that this won't happen here. So, but it's good that they think so. But I'll flip the coin now. [snorts] But don't we have the impression that we perceive Americans, American society? American political elite, political system in the way that we, Vladimir Ardolvich, studied it with you. We >> Good question. They perceive us in terms of, well, around eighty-nine, when, you know, fate brought not me, but an acquaintance to the southern port. They were unloading a pile of salt. It was a few years ago. Thank you. By the way, I wanted to thank Sergey Semenovich Sobyanin, but it's hard for me to hear from him for the fact that the southern port is being put in order. Thank you for the Northern Station, but also a huge thank you for the Southern Port, because it was, of course, something. I used to go there in the nineties, so I can imagine what it was like there. They were unloading, [snorts] this was a few years ago, a pile of salt that was brought in then. It had been lying there since then. This is just an image of panic. It's probably no longer edible, right, but this is just a symbol of panic, right. What is a symbol of panic, I'll say for myself. For many years, I had 36 cans of stewed meat in the basement [snorts]. And these are all, they are probably no longer edible either. This is also a symbol of panic. But the idea that destabilizing the consumer space can create political problems within Russia is an absolute axiom for Westerners. Well, let them stick with it. But we must understand that American society has changed. And we must understand how it has changed. Why do certain very strange processes occur? But let's look at the Trump administration. Not at Trump himself, who to a certain extent, let me emphasize again, they still like to say here: "Trump is irrational." Trump is irrational, right? He is quite rational, right? He is quite rational in strategic goals. He can be irrational in media behavior. Here, yes, here, of course, he goes too far, but his strategic goal-setting is very significant. This is the use of the state [snorts] for personal gain, for the enrichment of the American state. This, by the way, are pure features of the Russian nineties, right? Well, look at his team. Such infighting within the team, I would say. Well, under Reagan, there was no such, forgive me for this methodological term, bullshit. And under Bush Sr., no one would have even thought of it. By the way, the apparatus under Bush worked like clockwork. Just like clockwork. Yes. It started under Clinton. We need to understand very seriously, but is Trump a fluctuation, or rather, so. Trump is definitely not a fluctuation. Donald Trump, specifically. But is the political, the decision-making system that has formed around Trump, is it a fluctuation or will it continue like this? And secondly, what ethnic groups, ethno-economic, I would say, will dominate in the American political system in the future? Well, we keep saying WASPs, WASPs, WASPs. Are they still there, in principle? Well, the Bush family, well, there's nowhere else for WASPs to go. You look at Jeb Bush, but his children are no longer close to WASPs. His children, well, the one who [coughs] didn't become the third president of the United States, but I think he couldn't have. His children, and even more so his grandchildren, they will not be WASPs. And his children are already adults, and his grandchildren, I don't remember if he has grandchildren or not, but they are on their way. What will the American political landscape consist of in 10 years? 10 years is the day after tomorrow. Who will we be dealing with? We must understand that there are no longer, uh, no longer people like Cyrus Vance, no people like Warren Christopher, not even such armchair generals as Colin Powell, there are none and there will be none. Well, that's my hypothesis. So maybe there will be, but this question needs to be answered with proof, to say, it will be like this. By the way, the question is very simple. They were filming, filming Rudolvich Kaspate, brought him home, he turned out to be alive. But he was the first, by and large, to be removed from office. The question is, who vouched for him so much that Kaspate, yes, who was discredited as much as possible, and, I must say, not without success, could not be removed from office. But people who, as it were, represented Trump's nuclear electorate, such a magisterial mag in a mag, were spat out and nothing happened. The main thing is they were spat out and everyone says, "Oh, what will happen now?" And nothing happened. But this means that our understanding of the decision-making mechanism and the mechanism of balance of interests in the American political system, in political Washington, is somewhat incorrect, meaning we don't know the mother part well, and I don't know it well either. When I say we, I definitely include myself. Therefore, we need, of course, we need to understand what the collective, or rather, united West is, how united it is, right? We need to understand what America is. Ah, well, leave the corpses, politically speaking, I mean, leave them for me to analyze. And this is, as they say, before retirement, I'll deal with this. And the youth should, the youth should study what will be, not what has already died. Can I say something rebellious now? >> And everyone says that they are offering us Istanbul here in the form of freezing. >> And I think >> 2:0 >> 2:0. >> And I disagree with that. They are offering us Anchorage 2.0. Only not with Trump. They are offering us Anchorage 2.0 with other participants who promise that what Trump could not push through his American political system and through the Euro-Atlantic for these agreements, which he himself proposed and from which, well, Rubio disappointed me, because, of course, the excuse is so rotten that it's unworthy. Why didn't Anchorage happen? Because it's not worthy not even of the US Secretary of State, it's not worthy of an Assistant Secretary of State, that he has fallen greatly in my eyes. But they are offering us the same thing, yes, possibly even in better spatial conditions for us, but with other participants who supposedly can, from my point of view, push it through. From my point of view, other participants also cannot yet. But it's an interesting process, interesting. And this is an indicator that we have endured the major challenges. Indeed, the situation was not easy, but we endured for 30 days, in fact, and all this strategic calculation for panic has failed. In this sense, patience is becoming a geopolitical factor.