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Bokeete has always attracted expats, but not like this. There's a new wave of buyers coming in. More intentional, more strategic, and they're all circling the same place. Pino Alto. So, what if they know that you don't?
Today, we're not speculating. We're getting real answers. I'm joined by a group of expats who've spent time in Bokeete, walk the project, and understand what's actually happening on the ground. And we're going to break down why Pedo Alto is suddenly on everyone's radar and whether or not it deserves to be on yours.
I'm joined by my co-host, Stacy Jensen, our go-to expert on rentals and relocation, and Amanda Gleason, a turnkey decorator. Today we're welcoming Liz Larakeette, an investment advisor for Impress Burn, the largest developer in Panama. Ladies, welcome to the Panama podcast.
Cheers.
>> Cheers.
Let's start with the big question. Why boe? What was your first emotional reaction the moment you arrived in Bokeete?
This is going to sound funny, but I was overwhelmed by the the amazing floral smell as soon as you step out of your the car.
>> Yeah. It >> just smells heavenly. Besides that, it feels that way, too.
>> But I was really surprised. That's a good one. And that one's important because your senses are overwhelmed.
>> That's right.
>> In a good way.
>> I was cold. I'm not sure who you were. You're always cold. She's living at the beach.
>> Always cold.
>> Yeah. Coming from the beach, it felt like you're in a completely different part of the world. Like it was weird. It was like it was a six-hour drive, but I felt like I was on the other side of the in the other Yeah. On the other hemisphere.
>> Yeah.
>> I've always lived in hot climates and I've hated every single
>> I was going to say you is just such this weirdest choice.
>> The weirdest choice. So I went from the hot part of California to Dallas, Texas, which is an oven. And I thought I never wanted to be hot again. And that's really what brought me to Panama was when I came to Bokeete for the first time. It was like that moment of this is my temperature. I found my people. I found my temperature. But it wasn't the right time for me because at the time bokeete was too small. But I've always had this yearning in my heart to be there. A yearning.
>> A yearning. An absolute yearning.
You know, and that brings us to another point. Bokeet has long been thought of as just a mountain town for retirees. And when I came here 14 years ago, that was absolutely the case. But do we think that that's still true? And what kind of person thrives in Bokeete now? Liz, to you.
>> Yeah, like definitely it's the top place in Panama to retire to. So, it's like it's a really solid expat community. There's people from all over the world. Um, it used to be like a snowbird sort of place, but now people are moving there full-time and it's a solid community. like they have so many happy hours and they have so many different like volunteer groups and so many social activities that I think if like for people looking for a super active social environment it's it's really easy to make friends up there and you know it's on the map as being the top place really in the world to retire to. So and I think it used to be mostly older retirees and I think the demographic is trending younger.
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> For sure. Yeah.
>> The thing that always struck me about Bokeet, it really had a village feel like you could go down to the town center and just stroll around, which Coronado doesn't doesn't have that feeling. It's an expat hub, but it doesn't have that feeling of like one central town square where you can walk around, do all your business, see people, go have a coffee, do all the things like
>> it definitely captures that like village, big village feeling.
>> Mhm.
Let's expand on that. How does Bokeete differ from the feeling you get from Panama City?
Well, I mean, Panama City is the hustle, the bustle, the noise, the electricity overhead. It's, you know, it's a big city. It's a big city. It doesn't have the greenery and the trees and and the nature around you. Like, you feel like you are you like it is in the mountains. Like, you definitely don't feel like you're on the coast, but it just feels much more personal like a a community. Like, Panama City is fantastic, but it's a big city, so it is a lot less personal,
>> right? And you are up like near the Costa Rica border and like you're in the bread basket of Panama, so the produce is like insane.
>> I look forward to that because even in Panama City, even if they grow the food here, it still is on a truck and it takes a day or two to get here. When you're in Bokeete, it was picked that morning and it's different types of fruit than we get in Panama City. So, you get the good strawberries and the blackberries. Don't forget the honey and the honey things from a cooler climate that we don't necessarily get here.
I've always observed as well I think a lot of artists are drawn to bokeete and people who into art and culture.
>> Um they used to have the jazz festival there which um I think that was the the thing that really launched bokeete into being like a a bigger you know place for people to be interested in.
>> Yeah. flower festival over 80,000 people this year just for the flower festival. That's insane.
>> Yeah.
And can we talk about the food?
>> Yeah, the food scene.
>> Can we talk about the food? Like I mean the only reason to travel for different food, but the food there's so many great restaurants in there. So many good restaurants.
>> And that's surprising because for a village and really it's a is it a small town or is it a village? But the restaurants are amazing because I could never be somewhere that didn't have good restaurants.
>> Yeah. And I love the fact that a lot of these restaurants you go out the back at the end of the meal and there's a fire pit and you can toast marshmallows and snuggle around. Yeah. There's a few like that. Lovely.
>> And it is nice to sit by the fire and have a drink and have some appetizers.
>> I mean for for us it's like such a rare treat like oo I'm a bit cool at night. No drinking wine.
Liz, we're so excited today to have you here because you have the firsthand glimpse at Pino Alto being the developer Burn who's who's developing this. What stood out to you immediately when this project was released?
>> Well, I think the the the main thing is the biggest issue in Bokeete is there's not a lot of inventory. Like, it's mainly older homes. Um, definitely Bokeete doesn't lean itself towards the high-rise concept. So it really took a big developer like Burn to come in and go, okay, what is it that's needed up there and how can we sort of merge what we do into the natural environment. So Burn pretty much came up with this concept like a low-rise concept. So a high like a multi-story property isn't going to work. So it feels kind of like veil fourstory ski resort but with all the amenities of like a resort. So like a swimming pool, a reading room, a medical center for people because a lot of people are aging in place up there and like a one-stop shop. So you can get in there and kind of have your own community. And there are only a few projects like that up in Bokeete, but they are older. Um, so it's it's taken a big develop a big developer like Burn to come in and do something that sort of stands out.
>> And I like all the new things that they've so thoughtfully put in like the medical center.
>> Yeah. Why didn't somebody think of this before? I mean, how wonderful to have a medical center as well as the gym and the sauna and the pool and all the other amenities
>> and the heated jacuzzi,
>> right? And the fire and the fire pits.
>> And I think like, you know, we we're getting a lot of artistic people up in Beta, but we're also getting a lot of outdoorsy people that want to be hiking, want to be like, you know, feeling good out there.
>> Birders. Are there a lot of birders that go there?
>> A lot of birders. And like the Pino Alto project sits on a massive canyon. So the social area backs onto a canyon and there'll be hiking trails that go down into the canyon and so if you are into bird watching or hiking or it's right there at your at your back doorstep and they thought of so many little details and this sounds silly but I love how wide the hallways are.
>> Yeah.
>> And open and open outdoor hallways so that you get the breeze and the fresh air as soon as you go out your front door with plants in the hallway. I mean, it's just beautiful. Yeah, they've really integrated the property with with nature. And I think it's also nice the fact that there's a phase that's been completed because there's not nothing new. There's not a whole lot of new inventory in Bokeete except for individual sort of standalone homes. So, it's nice to have a phase that's already done. So, also if if people are coming up and thinking about their future, there's something that they can touch and feel already. Um, because we will be doing three phases. So, there'll be two more phases to come in 18 months to two years. So people can come up and touch and feel the first phase that's being delivered within the next like month or so.
>> And it's so neat.
>> They're already starting to deliver.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Amazing.
>> We were trying to help someone today find a rental a month from now in Bokeeti.
>> Everything's booked.
>> Yeah.
>> There's just not enough.
>> And it's crazy because by the time this podcast comes out, we will be in what used to be low season. But we're finding in Panama, we don't have that defined high season, low season like we used to because in May to find to not be able to find a rental in Bokeete, that tells you what kind of market it is.
>> The world is upside down. The world is upside down. There's no more low season. We used to say we'll sleep when it rains and now it rains and we're still working.
I also want to talk about the location of Pino Alto because I think it's very special. It's located inside the Bokeete Country Club. So, you have the security of the Bokeete Country Club. You have some single family homes. Yeah.
>> But also, it has this unique microclimate because it has the dryness of the lower portion of Bokeete.
>> Yeah.
>> But it doesn't have the heat.
>> Yeah.
>> And it also has a beautiful breeze because it's on a canyon.
>> So, you get the best parts because there are some parts of Bokeete that rain a lot. Yeah,
>> there are some parts of bokeh for me and my little delicate temperature sensitivity are a little bit too hot.
>> But this is like the Goldilocks of bokeete because it is it's the right temperature, the right breeze, the right creative lessons there,
>> but yeah, it's they they chose well.
>> They chose well.
Who do you think the ideal buyer for Pino Alto is? Let's start with Liz, but I want everyone to answer this.
Okay. Little old me.
>> Yeah. But then she's going to say the answer and then we're all just going to copy her.
>> Look, it used to be, like you said, it used to be Bokeete used to be for older retirees and now we're finding people are we got a lot of pure investors that are buying in Bokeete because there's like what Stacy said, there's so little inventory. So investors are going, "Hey, I want to be where I can get maximum dollar and where I can get maximum occupancy." Um, Airbnb, you know, they do their DNA stats. pretty much the highest nightly rate for hotels in Panama are in Bokeete and there's only a small handful of of hotels
>> and they're older. They are older
>> and they're older. They're older properties and so um in phase two and three of Pino Alto there's smaller hotel suites as well as two-bedroom apartments. So we're getting a lot more investor clients of all age groups that are buying the smaller hotel suites because they want to make the most of that high occupancy and the the high nightly rate. And if you look at most countries, you're going to get the highest return on investment in the city. So the bigger the city, the bigger the ROI. And that's one of the things that tells you what a gem this is because the highest ROI in the country is in Bokeete.
>> Yeah.
>> So for pure investors, if you never want to spend one night in your property, this is going to be the highest ROI.
>> Yeah, that's right.
>> Which is exciting. But once you go to Bokeeta, you'll want to
>> you want to leave.
>> You'll want to you'll want to stay there at least some of the time.
>> Yeah.
Okay. The queen of Pino Alto has spoken. But what do the other two of you think, Stacy?
>> Okay. Well, I was very pleasantly surprised at the option you have for families.
>> I mean, you have the threebedroom units with the yard and you can have pets and
>> it just really makes it very homey.
>> Yeah. And I think it's nice like if you know to be in a it feels like a home but you don't have to worry about doing all the gardens yourself.
>> So because it's not a high-rise it does you do have security and you do have all the bells and whistles of like a resort style living.
>> Um but you're not in a high-rise.
>> Yeah.
Amanda
>> I'm imagining you know like a a woman in you know her later years but just living her best life in the glorious weather being artistic eating the great food.
>> Yeah. what enjoying a beautiful view in the nature that's like I can see if someone was like even as a single person not necessarily a couple right
>> just enjoying that lifestyle up there because it's so laidback
>> and I think you you hit the nail on the head here
>> for those of you who are out there watching this and you are single
>> and maybe a single family home is a little bit intimidating this is the perfect spot because you can be a single man a single woman there are friends you can make there you don't have to worry about security. Everything's brand new. You don't have to worry about maintenance. This is the perfect option. This is where you want to put your mom
>> because she'll be happy there.
>> Yeah, that's it.
>> And every time I go to Bokehete, I see,
>> you know, women in their, I don't know, 70s and early 80s like on ebikes
>> and there's even if they're not running or
>> biking, they're still in the fresh air. And there's something to be said about the health that you have when you get the fresh vegetables and the fresh fruit and the fresh air
>> and socializing. I mean, having friends, that's what it's all about. Having a sense of community and bokeet is that and definitely Pino Alto will be that. You've got neighbors that you can be automatically friends with or not.
>> And Benny, I mean, Benny's friends with everybody in Bokeet.
>> Yeah. our friend Benny who is in his 80s and if you have not watched his episode, I'm going to put the link here. It is one of my favorite episodes ever because he has just developed a whole new life. He has gotten rid of his PTSD. He lost 50 lbs. He got rid of his diabetes. I'm happy. He's happy.
>> Healthy and happy.
>> Um and he's no no longer depressed. And Bokeete did that for him.
Let's talk about costs. What do you think people don't think about costwise when you think about moving to a place like Bokeete? What are the hidden costs?
I think if you want to get to like the larger commercial areas like you want to be going to the do it center and places like that, you do have to travel a little bit further to get from Bokeete to David. Like it's 45 minutes. We're not talking hours and hours, but it is a little bit of a distance. It's not like if you're in Coronado or if you're in the city, there's one around the corner. So I think that would be something that you did have to take into account.
Well, Bokeete now has do it center. Get out.
>> Yes. I mean I do it motor and a motor.
>> No, I I haven't been to Bokeet in a like it was two years since I last went there with my mom and there was not a do it center there. So that shocked me. And there probably wasn't the Filipe Moto and the Filipe Moto is the wine store that it just brought civilization to Bokeete because now not only there were already grocery stores there, but Filipe Mo is a little bougier. So you can get the specialty cheeses and meats, the high-end wines. I went for a weekend in Volcing and so we stopped at Davidid to to load up, you know, before we we got there and we're like, "Is that enough? Is that going to be?" Well, yeah, for sure. Oh, like that'll last the weekend. It did not last the weekend, I'm afraid.
>> It lasted the first night.
>> Yeah,
>> that's really good.
>> Yeah.
>> But Devidita is the place where it's the big city near Bokeete. So, if you live in Bokeete, you have everything. It's a self-contained community, so you can have everything you need. But if you want to do a big shopping at the the price mark which is like Costco then you go to Devid. If you want to do some sort of specialty you want new tiles or new specialty sheets then you go to the mall like the Conway the furniture store. They're all in and all of that's 40 45 minutes away. But you could I mean I think
>> it's a nice drive though.
>> It's a nice drive and I think you know for most people they'd only have to go once a month. Yeah, if that we've never had to run over there when we go and stock up because you're on vacation, but if you live there or if you were there part time, then I think once a month would be enough.
>> But even between like so from the first time I went to Bokeete, which was 10 years ago to the last time I went, the road is so much better. The road is so much better. Like it's such an easy drive,
>> right? Like
>> it's easy to get up there now. I think what's what's not so wonderful now about downtown Bokeete is it's very um congested especially on weekends on weekends you've got you know people from the city a lot of wealthy Panameanians from the city have got their be their mountain houses up in bokeete and so downtown pan downtown bokeete can get sort of hectic to cross the street and so I know that like a lot of locals that I've spoken to like living a little bit out of that central sort of hub um you know and the location of bokeete Country Club is actually quite lovely cuz you're just like a 7-inute drive to downtown. So, you're not sort of riding the hustle bus. You can get little bit out of it.
>> Yeah. I don't know that I would like to live right there in downtown because it is and especially because you get so many people during snowbird season.
>> I was there in January and I was like, it was like a tsunami of people.
>> Yeah, that's it.
>> Wow. run across the street and sometimes going to a restaurant, you know, takes a little bit of doing to be able to get into a restaurant when it's really busy. So, if you're going to in a busy time, definitely make reservations.
Let's pretend we all live in Pinoto for a second. Close our eyes. Got it. What is the perfect day look like if we were to live in Pinoto?
She's going to be playing with her artist friends.
>> [gasps]
>> It'll be a day that involves no construction. I'll tell you that much. Um, it would be waking up and enjoying Well, you're in Bokeete, so you have to have a cup of coffee because it's amazing coffee there. Outside on the balcony and just enjoying the nature. And then it would be a morning of just pottering about leisurely. And then in the afternoon strolling down to the main area, having a coffee with a friend, going out for a nice lunch.
>> So it won't it won't involve hiking.
>> My perfect day will never involve hiking. It may involve horse riding. No problem.
>> We have to tell you a secret. I actually once attempted, well, I actually did hike. Someone else attempted to hike Volcanaru, which is the volcano there where you can hike it through the night.
>> I want to say that I was actually forced.
>> She was forced.
>> I was forced into it because it was a special birthday and I was emotionally blackmailed into having to climb a mountain at 10:00 at night. I'm someone who likes to go to bed at 8:00 at night, but yeah, let's start hiking a mountain at 10:00 at night. And we all thought having a couple of red wines before we did the hike was a fantastic idea. So we start we I look I take one look at the start of it cuz the hike's pretty intense and I was likem no I'm not doing it. But my wonderful friends that I was with would not let me back out. I made it not to the top at which point I had to I had to excuse myself and sleep in a tent with two strange men on a track until the sun came up until the sun came up and nearly got run over by the trucks that they'd called to bring. Anyway,
>> it was entertaining.
>> Yeah. So, if you want to do the hike and you want to see the two the sunrise over the two oceans, which would be spectacular, my advice is take the jeep.
>> Take the jeep. It's worth waking up early. The hike is wonderful. Amanda told me that she had a sore pelvis, which is why she wanted to stop doing it. But it was wonderful. There are Look, the reality is in Bokeet, there's so many amazing hikes like hiking Banu Falls.
>> Yeah. There's so many hikes of all different grades. Well, he picked the hardest one, but it was entertaining.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But horse riding, I could do it every day.
>> And atving and all that.
>> Alto has an equestrian center right across the street.
>> I would be there. Everything right there at your fingertips.
>> I would be there hanging off the horses every day.
So, my perfect day would of course be getting up early to watch the sunrise and have coffee on my balcony. That's the best part of the day. Listen to nature. There are so many birds.
>> You've never seen this many birds of all colors, all their bird song. It's just this this moment of I don't know, just intense relaxation when you're listening to the birds and seeing the sunrise and enjoying the 10,000 different colors of green.
>> Yeah.
>> That are all around you and the breeze and the perfect temperature. Then I would do something athletic, whether it's dancing or hiking or whatever, something outdoors to get some some wind blowing across my face. Then I would go to lunch at one of the the nice bougie restaurants. Maybe have some wine. What do you think? Maybe
>> then a nap in the afternoon.
>> Oh, a nap. A siesta.
>> Yes, a siesta. And then something social in the late afternoon right before dinner.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> There's a really good social community in Bokeete. So, I think that's one of the draws is it's not a place that you're going to be alone. You're going to meet so many people and then you just find your people. Is there is there a hammock on your balcony on your perfect balcony?
>> Of course. And Pino Alto has hammock stations.
>> What?
>> Yes. Hammock stations.
>> What is a hammock station?
>> So, they're little al coes. So imagine almost like an outdoor library with al coes except instead of having books, you have hammocks. So you have privacy and a hammock, you just b bring your own book.
>> Yeah. And there is a reading room where you could do a, you know, there'll be a book club. So there's books and there's a hammock and a cafe.
>> Is there going to be a fire in the reading room? Because like reading a book in front of a fire with a glass of red wine is like
>> pinnacle.
>> Paradise.
>> Paradise.
>> The angels are singing.
>> So yeah, exactly. We're like, "Okay, we're going to stop the podcast and do it." Byebye.
I have a quick favor to ask. If you've ever gotten any value from this podcast, I'd appreciate it so much if you just press that subscribe button. It helps us more than you ever know and helps us continue to bring you great, relevant content about Panama. Big question. What's the one thing about Bokeete that doesn't get talked about enough?
Liz, I found out recently that there's hot springs. So,
>> you just found out?
>> Yeah. Like I'd never been I'd never heard of them. I'd never been there. And one of our our sales girls that runs the office in Bokeet there, she told me she goes, "Every Sunday."
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. And it's like natural springs bubbling up the sulfur. And she said it makes her feel wonderful.
>> Right. It's so good for you.
Amanda, uh, something that people don't talk about there.
>> It does rain a little bit during the rainy season. Not like not so much that you can't go out and do anything, but it does make it some of the outdoor activities a little bit less predictable.
>> Yeah.
>> When you want to schedule them in.
>> I love the rain. I love laying around rain. So, it's there's something again if we're going to talk about
>> and it's not monsunal rain.
>> It's not monsunal rain.
>> It's that relaxing pattering rain,
>> right? and to to get a massage with an open window or to sit in the hammock while you're reading a book with the rain because you're under a cover. I just think that's again one of my that's a plus for me.
>> If you don't love the rain, maybe think twice about bokeete. But if you either like or love the rain, um it's a good rain and it's a straight up and down rain. You know, we lived in Dallas where it's a sideways rain. Uh, no. Actually, no. Like Sydney, like the wind, like there'd be times I'd be walking on the way to the office up George Street, which is like a wind tunnel and it's raining and it was just straight in your face. It was repulsive. It was awful.
>> No, what I love is you can sit right like if the overhang is here, you can sit right under it and you won't get wet.
>> It's crazy.
>> Crazy.
>> Up and down rain. I've never heard of that. I think the other elephant in the room is the number of celebrities that are actually buying him pocket.
>> Do tell. Do tell.
>> She can't.
>> We There's a lot of very very um interesting people buying in Bokeete.
>> You know what I was surprised?
>> What industries, Liz?
>> Many different industries, but are buying huge mansions up there. So, there's a whole new demographic also moving to Bokeete. And a lot of people were previously moving to Costa Rica for the cooler climate and the greenery and all that jazz. And property prices are so much higher in Costa Rica now than in Panama. So, a lot of people are just popping over the border and buying in the in in Bokeete, which is, you know, how far from the border? Like an hour,
>> right? Yeah, it's about an hour.
>> What I was surprised, everybody knows about the coffee, but nobody talks about how the coffee looks like a vineyard.
>> Yes.
>> I mean, I was totally surprised. I was like, "What is that?" Cuz I know it wasn't a vineyard, coffee.
>> Cuz you can spot one of those mile away.
>> I was like, it's funny like very wealthy people often have their wineries, right? Same thing in Panama, but instead of wineries, they have their coffee farm, you know. So, here in I know the Burn family, they have a coffee farm and they have cafes all over the country in all their hotels called La Mella. Coffee is delicious.
>> Uhhuh.
>> And that's Do they own the coffee farm?
>> They own the coffee farm.
>> I had no idea.
>> And they're sold out like they they sell out to all their hotels.
>> So, I have a coffee farm. Does that make me one of the rich and famous?
>> Could be.
>> You're a celebrity. You're a Panameanian celebrity. more farm, less estate.
>> I say my I went to lunch at the Fina Lorita. Am I saying that correctly?
>> I mean, it was a great coffee tour, but the restaurant attached to it. The food was amazing. The view, I definitely didn't eat the trout pound, but whatever I ate, I remember being just amazing. The view was wonderful. So, if you do go, add that to your list of places you have to get to. And there's a river in Bokehete that has trout. So when you eat trout in bokeete, it is fresh. It is the freshest fish you can possibly get. And here in Panama City, we're used to eating ocean fish, but it does taste different. So I love getting the trout when I go to bokeete.
>> Yeah.
If you could change one thing about bokeete or pinoalto, what would that be?
>> I think the traffic in downtown bokeete. Okay.
>> Especially on weekends, it can get a little hectic.
>> Mhm. Stacy, I wish there was just a faster way to get there. That's mine. I wish I could just snap my fingers. They've been talking about a high-speed train that would take about an hour. So, if that happens, wow, amazing.
>> Incredible.
>> For me, I would say the same as my last answer, the rain. Because when I go to Bokeetto, the thing I love doing is horse riding. And that is not something that is fun in the rain.
>> In the rain.
>> Yeah.
>> You just need to develop more of your rainy day activities. Book reading, wine drinking. Yeah.
>> I'm pretty good with those. I mean in ski countries like I'm not very good at skiing but I slay at array ski.
>> Oh yes
>> I'm very good at that. I'm very very good at that. Right now Pino Alto is the IT project in Bokeete.
Do you think the people who are looking at today and they're not buying and they wait till next year or the year after do you think that they're going to have a little bit of FOMO because they didn't act sooner?
>> Yeah. I mean it's a limited number of units. I mean, there's only there's three phases and there's only around 30 to 35 units per phase. And we've already sold out almost all of phase one. I've got a a onebedroom and a three bed left in phase one and we've sold most of phase two and now we're rolling out phase three. So, it's all about, you know, getting in when you when you can and getting in when you can and seeing when the opportunity is there and taking it. Yeah.
>> Because this is one of those again return on it. It's a triple threat return on investment. the joy of being there and then the ability to sell it for more than you bought it for.
>> That's right.
Before we close, last words. What do we have to say about Bokeete Pino Alto or the wine in front of us?
I would say bokeh is surprising because it surprises me that for what is it a quite a small village feel town like the food, the culture, the things are it's s it's surprising,
>> right?
>> I love it. I love the people, the culture, the weather, the flowers, everything. I just It's wonderful to go and stay for as long as you can.
>> Just never ask me to hike ever again.
>> I just think the fact that like Pininoto as a project is a great place to tick the boxes of lock and leave, use it part-time, be a snowbird there, rent it out when you're not there, on-site property management, um not having to stress when you're not there, and a great property for investment in terms of appreciating prices and definitely, you know, return on investment. Yeah.
If you want to learn more about Pino Alto, please reach out to us. Go to chwepanama.com/cont and we will set up an appointment not just with our team but with Liz and her team as well so you can get firsthand scoop on everything we've talked about and really dig a little bit deeper. Bokeete is evolving and Pinoto has become a major part of the conversation. In this real expats round table we went beyond the brochures and dug into what's actually happening on the ground. Who's been buying? why they chose Pino Alto and whether it's a smart move or just the latest buzz. As always on this segment, you'll hear honest perspectives on lifestyle, investment, and the realities of living in Bokeete so you can decide if this mountain town and this project fits into your life and your investment portfolio. Thanks for joining us.
Cheers.
>> Cheers.