Are We In Satan's Little Season @ASeatForJesus

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Hey everyone, thank you so much for watching. I have a special guest with me today, JT from the YouTube channel JT Follows JC, who's also on Instagram, Tik Tok, and a bunch of other places. You can verify that JT if you'd like. Um, we are going to talk about some very interesting topics today. It It's very interesting because I can kind I can totally see how this is going to how this could be the situation that we are living in today. This is going to get into some end times, esquetology, and different things. Um, I hope that first of all, you have an open mind and just hear it out and pray about it and see what you think as well. Um, we're going to go through here. It might take a little while, but we're going to kind of break it apart and just kind of investigate, ask questions, and I would recommend that you do the same on your own time is to look into things, investigate, and uh feel free to ask me any questions as well. Um so, JT, welcome. Thanks so much for joining me.

Well, thank you so much for having me. Appreciate it.

Yeah. Um, I just reached out to you on YouTube and you were so gracious enough to come join and talk and so I really appreciate that. Um, I just wanted to maybe start off with I'm going to give a quick overview but then I wanted you to start um with your background and how you got to this point.

Um, sure. So, the topic is, like I said, end times esquetology, but it's specifically regarding the millennial reign of Christ that it has already happened and we're in that period right after, which according to Revelation is a time when Satan is released on the earth. It's called either the short season or little season, something like that.

Mhm. And so this idea that we could possibly be in that period of time right now and we're on the cusp of the new Jerusalem coming. Um so you're going to dive into that and break that apart for us, but why don't you start just so people don't think uh that we're totally crazy and that you're totally crazy. Um, just from what I know of you, you seem pretty down to earth and and grounded, but why don't you give us a little background on um, how you got to this your your upbringing, but also then how you got to this place?

Okay. Sure. Yeah. Um, so I'm 46 years old. I grew up in southeastern Virginia. Grew up in a Christian home. Uh, the kind of parents that took me to church every Sunday whether I wanted to go or not. Um, in seventh grade they hooked me into a Baptist Christian school. We we I grew up non-denominational, but we went to a Baptist school and then I went to Liberty University, graduated from there in 2000. And so then I just I've done all the kind of normal things. I was I would say that I've always been a believer and you know when you I believe like from an early age got baptized when I was around 11 or 12 years old and but you know it's kind of like I was probably a pretty good kid for the most part but not really that good. I think it's really difficult when you grow up in a Christian home and and you're I felt like I was trying to do what was right but like I didn't really want to all the time. And I think like sometimes when you when you get saved because you're scared to go to hell, well, you usually just want to do the bare minimum. I just want to get out, you know, like. So I think a lot of us have kind of like and I have lots of friends who kind of live like that, too. And we were kind of just like just dancing on the line of like what's okay and what's not. And you know then so you know as a just a normal guy just like I was going out there trying to pursue what the world had to offer not in a carnal way but just you know you get married you have kids try to get the white house with the picket fence and you know all the things like you know all the toys boats and and vehicles and and I think around age 40 I got disillusioned with everything and I just thought man I I knew that I wasn't living for God like I should and I would try to not sin, but I would slip up. And and then when 2020 happened, I remember just being like just wrecked with anxiety about like, man, everything I thought was stable in this world is not. And during that time, I went through like a family crisis and we had all kinds of I had all kinds of issues. Everything I was worried about was going to happen was starting to happen at one time. And through all that, I basically just had to get on my knees and I was saying, I don't know how I'm gonna get through this without you, God. And I basically just said, "But as long as I'm I'm good with you, then I think I can make it through it." And God like changed me like that. And wow. Before all that, I was pouring myself into like um endurance sports and stuff like that, you know, real kind of stuff that was really shallow. And I knew it was shallow because I was getting older and I couldn't continue to do it. And during that time, I was I never talked about my faith uh on social media. I never talked about my faith really to anybody unless it was like I mean I might get challenged at something. I I always was a believer. So I would I would let people know. But I bet you most people would not have known that I was a Christian by the way I probably talked and the way I acted, right? And then um after that, so after God changed me, I remember really feeling like I was I was starting to read my Bible again. And as I did, I really started to understand things. Like I kind of knew a lot, but I didn't understand much. And then it's kind of like the difference between knowing and understanding. It's like, oh, I can see how I can practically apply this to mistakes I've made and and maybe doing things right in the future. And I I really felt led by God to start sharing my sharing that little journey through like little videos on Facebook and Instagram. And this is like this is before I ever got on TikTok or anything. was literally just sharing with my friends. I was not trying to I definitely was not trying to go viral or anything like that. This was I felt like it was like a step out in faith. It was way outside my comfort zone and I started to do it and before you know it, God basically gave me opened up this door. My brother shared TikTok with me. I had no idea what it was supposed to be. I thought it was like little girls dancing and stuff like that. I mean, it was like it was something I had on my phone because I was trying to keep track of my daughter not posting filth or anything like that. But I never considered making Tik Toks. And then I started to see some of the conspiracy stuff on there and a lot of the, you know, the lot of the weirder stuff on there. I was like, "Oh man, this is actually pretty interesting." And at one point I made a video. I had three followers. It was kind of a hit. I got about a thousand followers. And then after a while, my brother's like, "You should make more videos like that." And I was like, "Okay." And before you know it, I had 20,000 followers, then 100,000. Like a year and a half later, I had like 200,000 followers. And wow. Yeah. And then after doing all that, I obviously branched out to all the other social media apps and, you know, started a podcast and got on YouTube and yeah, it's it's been quite a journey. But I mean, the very beginning of that to um to set all that up was that I felt when I started to make Tik Toks, I was really talking about the end times because I really believe like this is the harbinger of what's to come. Like that what happened in 2021 and 2020. Yeah. And so that's so that was kind of what my mindset was is like well Jesus is coming back and I'm I need to start telling people that like how close it is. And so I made videos like that and I also made like kind of symbolism type videos about conspiracies and I was really like fascinated with like yeah the all the hand signs and all the the stuff in the movies. I'm like a really big movie guy so I've watched lots of movies. I've read lots of comic books and and I kind of like oh I can kind of see what they were saying here and like so I used to make videos where I'd break that kind of stuff down and yeah some of that stuff has not changed but yeah like we I'm a little bit different on where my esquetology is compared to you know three or four years ago now.

Yeah. Yep. I feel you with that. Um I just edited a video this past week that I had recorded with somebody a year ago. I never intended to put out, but I'm gonna put it out anyway. But I had to edit some things out that I said because I no longer believe it. Yeah. But all about um you know, the rapture and the end times and stuff like that. So anyway, um so yeah, why don't you give us a brief explanation of what this little season idea is and then like how how this came up or what some of the evidence is that suggests we might be in this season.

All right. Well, I'm I'm going to go first. we'll go right to the scriptures and we'll go right into so just to know this is this is something that's in the Bible because sometimes people say oh this is not biblical and you're like actually it's as biblical as it gets I can show you where it says this in the Bible. Yeah. Now you can you can disagree about it but I mean like if we're we're here on this timeline but I think that's that's really kind of what we're at right now. It's like that that we I want everyone to know first off that I believe the Bible above any man. So that's why I started to question a lot of things that I thought I used to know. And so that was kind of really what kind of changed me is when I started reading my Bible and I was like, you know what, I'm going to stop trying to read what I know into the Bible. Instead, I'm going to read the Bible and I'm going to I'm going to let it challenge the things that I think that I know. And that's where I that's when you come to some of these conclusions that that I didn't used to because like there's certain things that you can't help but read bias your own biases into the the scriptures. Especially like I said, you think about it like I grew up in Christian schools and we were seeing those left behind movies all the time. So you can't tell me that that didn't influence the way you would read the scriptures if you think like because that's obviously it's why would they put it in the movie if it wasn't true. But right now but now obviously we can question that. So, so anyways, this is um in Revelation 20. Okay, so we're going to start with this is verse one. And I saw an angel come down from heaven having a key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the old that old serpent, which is the devil, Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years should be fulfilled. and after that he must be loose a little season. So that's a really strange scripture. I mean I I remember when I was reading the when I was really trying to understand Revelation because I thought we were about to start experience it. I I just like I never really I was always wrestling with that like why you know because if because how the Revelation 19 concludes that you have the battle of Armageddon the beast and the false prophet are taken and thrown into the flick of fire. And then so you go into Revelation 20 starts talking about the thousand years, the millennial reign, and it mentions that the devil is put in a pit and then he's going to be let out later. And later it says, "And then he's going to deceive the nations." And I just can't and I could not understand like so first of all, why doesn't God just throw him into the lake of fire, too? And then secondly, if the kingdom is what I thought perceived it to be, which is a physical kingdom on earth with Jesus in Jerusalem and ruling with resurrected saints and everything being fantastic, how would the devil possibly deceive people? And I just got I could never I was I used to always laugh, well, he's pretty crafty, so I mean, I guess he's going to do it somehow. I mean, says it in the text. Yeah. But then I started to really revisit the other scriptures and I started to get challenged about certain things. And I what really kind of um kind of tipped it over for me was when people were saying like when we were looking at the Daniel prophecies that are very specific to a certain time period and then you start to read the gospels again. I remember when I the first time I heard about Predtoism, people were saying Jesus came back in 70 AD and I didn't even know what happened in 70 AD, right? Because they never told they never taught me in school that.

Oh yeah. I didn't know either until recently.

No, I mean it's I mean it's kind of amazing. I feel like it's quite an omission to not mention that because then when you go into the Olivet discourse which is in Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 when Jesus says this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled. When you know that within that time period he's mentioning it, that's when Jerusalem was destroyed and the temple was destroyed. And that's how those chapters start is that the apostles mention to Jesus how beautiful the temple is and he tells them truly I tell you not one stone will be left upon the other. They'll all be thrown down. And then the apostles ask him when and then he goes through all the things that are going to happen and then he concludes it saying that during that time he's going to be coming on the clouds with the angels. And so I think that's I think that's obviously why people would not believe it because well when did that like how could that have been not written down about like how could people not know that but the thing that I really I was really struck with was that they asked him about the destruction of the temple and then he said when you see these all these things will be fulfilled before this generation passes away. So like you it's you cannot really separate the two.

Yeah. And I think that like in the King James version in Matthew 24, they also asked about his coming and the end of the world, but some translations say the end of the age, which may might be a more accurate translation of like what what he's talking about. And it and when I found out like things like in um Jacob's trouble, it mentions in Daniel that it's 1,260 days. It mentions that in the book of Revelation, a time, times, and half a times.

Mhm. That's That's 1,260 days. The Roman Jewish War was 120 Oh, what was 1,260 days? Was 42 months.

Yeah. And from that point where they circled the they circled Jerusalem. It took them that long to fully destroy burn Jerusalem to the ground, destroy the temple completely with not one stone left upon another. And I think that's what really started to really started to get me of like that if you if you can see it when you start to read the gospels again, what you'll notice over and over again is Jesus is talking to the the people he's specifically talking to. It's almost like the most obvious point. It's like it seems almost like um it's like almost like you're I don't even know what the right word is. it this should be evident but we're but we're reading ourselves into the text when you understand like that that based on the Daniel prophecies the 70 weeks it mentions the coming of the Messiah the prince who's to come and so that's Jesus so he comes at this very specific time based on the decree to build the second temple because in the times of Daniel there was no temple in Jerusalem because it had just been destroyed by Babylon. Yeah. So the whole the whole prophecy is kicked off by the building of the second temple and then it mentions the Messiah. It mentions the um the abomination of desolation.

Mhm. And then so when you understand like that Jesus is telling these people that the temple's going to be destroyed, I think I believe that's why the apostles asked him about his coming in the end of the age or the end of the world because they they were aware of what the Daniel prophecies were and that's why they asked him and that's why he mentioned when you see the abomination of desolation, flee to the mountains of Judea. So that being said, there's there's plenty of scriptural evidence that he was talking to them. He he mentions was it Matthew 16:28 he says truly I tell you some standing here will not taste death until you see the son of man coming into his kingdom. the verse before he says coming with the with the angels because a lot of people say he was talking about Matthew 17 when it was the transfiguration, right? But that doesn't really I mean that I I never really found that view satisfying either because would you really tell people that when if it was the next day like the next day they're going to see the transfiguration and none of them are going to be dead at that point.

Yeah. So why would he say some you won't say?

Yeah. And then you there's another there's a really tough verse for I think the people who believe this is a future event is Matthew 10:23 where he says you know when you go to one town flee to like if you if you stay in one house stay there or if you're not receive fle go to the next one because you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the son of man comes. He tells Caiaphas.

Yes. He tells Caiaphas the high priest who's going to put him on the cross. He tells him, "You're going to see me coming on on the clouds with great power."

Wow. Yeah. I mean, so like there's all those scriptures. And then of course, then you even go into like the books of um the book of Revelation. It's written to seven churches that are are in Asia. So it's like they're written to them. And obviously it's a very specific instruction. It's like I'm coming quickly. You know, repent or I'm coming at you with a sword. It's like if you if you endure, you're going to get the crown and all these things are going to happen right then. And then I when I when I finally started to learn some historical evidence that all those seven churches have been destroyed like every one of them had to be excavated. Like all all of Rome has had to be excavated. I think that that's something I never knew that that those churches had to be dug up and then you see what was left. It was like broken stones and melted things and you're like, and I think you you start to put some of those pieces together, well, what if he did come back then? Where would that leave us? And I think that that's where people have included that, well, what if through all this research I've done where I've uncovered so many different lies about the things we were taught and the things we thought to be true, what if they what if that's how the devil was going to deceive everyone is that they're going to try to cover up that all that thing all that that what Jesus said was going to happen happened. And then then I was kind of just left with I was like, well, that was kind of when I was really close, but I was like, well, where is he at then? because I was never taught that he was going to leave after he came back. But then I started to read the other scriptures when as at Luke 17 20 and 21 where the Pharisees question about the kingdom and he says the kingdom is not coming in observable ways and he's saying the kingdom is in the midst of you and he's talking about himself and then he tells in I think John I think it's 1836 he tells Pilate then my kingdom is not of this world because if it was they would my people would be fighting for me. So I I started to like understand that the kingdom was the kingdom of heaven. I mean it's it's funny how even in the book of Matthew every time the kingdom's mentioned it's mentioned there's a kingdom in heaven. And I think that that kingdom that's in heaven is the new Jerusalem. It's the heavenly Jerusalem. And now it's not just a spiritual thing. I think it's both spiritual and physical just as in resurrected people are there. So you can it's tangible, but also it's it's it's not someplace that you and I could go without a glorified body. And I thought, dang, that's that might be how we could be deceived because if it was like everyone thought it was going to be like basically like the Jews thought it was going to be in the first century, it crucified them. They were expecting a physical kingdom. So now people ask, "Where's the physical kingdom at?" And it's like, well, Jesus was saying it's not going to be like you think it's going to be. You know, it's going to be something better than this. But if if you can really only see through the flesh, that's not good enough because I want it now. I want to reign right now. I want to never die. I want to reign with Jesus right now. And I feel like that that's if that deception worked back then, maybe that's why it still works today.

So do you think then that it the second coming would you just would you just say that the second coming has happened or not or would you put the second coming in with the coming of the new Jerusalem?

No, I believe I believe what we would consider the second coming. I believe yeah, that did happen because I that's why I was saying like that it it would make me happy if I didn't have to say that Jesus said all these things were going to take place. Like I said, if you believe if people believe Matthew 24 was talking about the the end times, well then then all that stuff happened because he said because he wrapped it all together with the destruction of the temple, the destruction of Jerusalem. He was wrapped it up with him coming on the clouds and all that stuff. So it was like that that happened. I think it's I think it was different than what people perceived it to be for sure.

Yeah. But I think it was mostly what he was saying he was coming in judgment because that's why he was telling them even Matthew 23 he tells the Pharisees that all the all the innocent blood of the earth was going to be put upon their generation. And it was like so then he says and he tells them that their house going to

Be less unto them desolate. So after that, then you go, like you even go into the book of Revelation; it mentions that the of Babylon, she had all the innocent blood on the earth, was in her, just the same thing he told the Pharisees about them. Oh wow.

So yeah, I think that in the Old Testament, Jerusalem is the It says it over and over again. I mean, of course, you make it makes sense, like she was supposed to be faithful to God, and then but she played the harlot, and and she wasn't. But then you have the bride of Christ, which is the new Jerusalem that comes down at the end. So like that, I think that's that's the disconnect is people are looking for this Jerusalem, but it's actually the heavenly one is is the is the real bride of Christ. It's the new covenant bride.

Yeah. I think one of the one of the kickers for me that really like drove things home was you mentioned it already, the 42 months and the that three and a half year period that everyone's waiting for; pretty much there's a definite place in history where that took place, it seems, and it just kind of like, well, that's the basically the tribulation that we're waiting for. Would would you say that?

Oh yeah. Yeah. No no question about it. It's it's funny kind of like when you kind of like can you can see things in a little bit of hindsight, even like how you used to believe it, because we're told everybody's told that historically the first century church had it real bad, had it real bad. We're told I don't even know if this is necessarily accurate, but we're told that every apostle was martyred except for John. There's really not records of all them being martyred, but I mean I'm I'm not going to say it's it wasn't true, but we know specifically there's ones that were definitely historical accounts of them being martyred.

Yeah. But we know that there was mass persecution of the early church. Yeah. Being fed to lions, being lit up like Roman candles by people like Nero. Um, and you have this time of just great persecution. And then you get like the beast. Again, you have to think like so if the was Jerusalem, I believe the beast in the book of Revelation is the same one as the fourth beast in the book of Daniel that's talking about Rome, the Roman Empire. And so who's persecuting the early church? It's it's the Romans, one of the wicked emperors. And so people are looking at that and they're really not seeing like that that that could have been the tribulation.

Even the book of re book of Revelation chapter chapter one, let me go over it there real quick. I think it's really fascinating that this is something that people just don't even pay attention to. It says it says this is uh Revelation 1:9. I John who am also your brother and companion in tribulation in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ. Yeah. Was in the isle of Patmos for the word of God. Some of them even say dribbulation, you know, like it's it's like some people say, "Oh, he was in tribulation, but not the great tribulation," because it's not the the capital great tribulation, but it's like the things that they're describing. And then so then you go into the book of Revelation uh chapter 13 where it says that the beast is given the authority to conquer the saints. Okay. So doesn't that sound like the early church being persecuted?

Oh yeah. Being like being martyred for their faith. And so then that's who gets to rule during the millennial kingdom is those who were beheaded for their faith, those who did not love their lives unto death. I mean, so to me, it's like it's funny how like people today would say, well, that was really unfortunate what happened to the early church, but the great tribulation is about to happen to us without really understanding that that if you really do look at the audience relevancy, right? So, Michael Heiser, I I didn't agree with everything he said, but I I liked a lot of things that he wrote.

I know. But I liked when he was saying that the Bible was written for us but not to us. Yeah. So understanding that the gospels are are historical accounts of Jesus talking to people and and obviously the you know the good news the the greatest story ever told of like that what he did, kept his promises. He died for us, and that's something obviously to to affirm all the Old Testament prophets and to know what our promises are still good. But then the rest of the New Testament is basically just letters to people.

Yeah. It's you would be crazy to think that it was written to you because it's like literally written by someone to someone. It says it right there. Yeah. So that's not to say that you can't learn from what right is written. That's why you could say it's for us. But it was certainly not written to us. So when you understand that the apostles based on what Jesus told them, they're sure that the end times are about to happen.

Yeah. Yeah, they're always saying like all of them saying like um what John's saying it's the last time. He's saying there's been many antichrists and so we know it's the last hour because of all the antichrists that are coming. Peter says the end of all things is at hand. Paul's telling people in 1 Corinthians chapter 7 that it'd be better if you don't get married because the world as we know it's about to end. You know, so there there's a constant theme of like this is about to happen. I think James says something very similar in his epistle.

Um I know with the book of Hebrews what is let me let me read this so I don't want to get it wrong but in the book of Hebrews it starts out saying it says God who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in times unto his fathers by the prophets hath in these in these last days spoken to us by his son whom he appointed heir of all things by whom he also made the worlds. So the book of Hebrews starts out by saying it's it's the last days.

Yeah. You know, even uh the day of Pentecost, Peter, he quotes the book of Joel and he says that in the last in the last days, men are going to dream dreams, speak vision. They're people are going to prophesy. There's going to be outpouring of the Holy Spirit. So once again, he's saying it's the last days.

Okay. Okay. So, with with all that being said, imagine reading the Bible, knowing it's written to certain people, and then the early church only experienced persecution, but they never they never got to experience the redemption that was promised to those people, would be pretty disappointed. You'd have to conclude that that all they really got to do is suffer the tribulation, but they never got to s they never got to enjoy the coming of the Lord in their in the redemption. I think like said that to me that's like and that's not to say because I believe that they did because I think that if they didn't it's like why would we have any reason to believe it too, right? You know, it's kind of like if if those promises were not good to them, well, why would how could you conclude that it was good? They're good to us now.

Yeah. I mean, that's why some people say, "Well, people have always thought it's the end times." So, they've all been wrong then. So, including the apostles. I've heard so many things, and you probably have two um explanations or just leaps um to somehow explain why we're the last generation or why the the privilege in our future now. and it's, you know, coming up soon. Why this long gap of nearly 2,000 years doesn't really mean anything. Like I've heard just like so many wild ideas, you know, with the fig tree fig tree generation and, you know, different different things. But why leave such this huge gap? And uh you probably have some other thoughts and ideas about that gap, but um it never made sense really. And I've just heard some crazy ideas. I don't know if you've ever or had anything to mention.

Well, yeah. I mean, I think that's one of the reasons why like that I started to really question everything was that, you know, so I was, you know, I didn't know what the terms meant. I I had no idea what dispensationalism was. So, I didn't like I I just knew that like he hadn't come back yet. So, like, of course, it would it was really easy to convince me that well, it must be at least a 2,000-year gap because he hasn't come back yet. So like, you know, you don't have to really convin you know, you don't have to do a lot of arguing to get me to believe that. But once I started to think like, okay, so if the scriptures are true, it's pointing to the specific time when Jesus shows up. And I was like, yeah, that's what the 70 weeks is talking about. And I think the one thing that really always kind of I really started, it was like something really was stuck in my crawl when I was like, wait a minute. So they were waiting on a third temple so they can start sacrificing again only for someone to go in there and stop the sacrificing. And I was like, but they haven't been sacrificing for supposedly 2,000 years. So what if it was made desolate then? Because I said I remember just thinking like that it's like kind of in that narrow dispensational view. It's like they have to have a third temple. They have to just build it just for the antichrist.

For the antichrist. Why would they want to do that in the first place? Right? So, it can't be the temple of God because it won't be for the temple of God because God doesn't dwell in, you know, buildings made of human hands anymore. He dwells in us, the temple of the Holy Spirit. And yeah, Jesus is the cornerstone of the new temple. And as Peter said that we're living stones of that temple and so that that's the view, but it's like there has to be a third temple because what else is the antichrist going to go into? I was like, "Well, what if he already did that? What if it was made desolate back then?" And that's what I was just thinking about. I was like, the reason people believe in a 2,000-year gap is like it was probably a 1500 year gap with the first time somebody said that because it puts them in that specific time. We were raised up for such a time as this because we're special. You don't have to you don't have to really try real hard to get people to believe that they're special and they're living in the most special time ever, right? But yeah, it's it's convenient and it's it's it's obviously not in the Bible that says this is going to be, you know, that's one thing the Bible is really specific about a lot of times when it's talking about certain prophecies like because God is can call his shot because he's God.

Yeah. You know, somebody like Noamus could just predict just just throw a bunch of darts against the wall and maybe one of them will stick. But but our God is is giving specific instructions. That's another thing in the book of Daniel. Daniel is told to seal up the prophecy until the times of the end by the angel. Yeah. And then the book of Revelation, by contrast, says, "Do not seal up this prophecy because the time is at hand." Right. So if the book of Revelation was not going to happen for 2,000 years, and the Daniel prophecies were intended for about 500 years from then. You know what I'm saying? Like this like there's there's a there's an issue here because one of them is very specific like it's happening now. Even Jesus tells um John in Revelation that you're going to see the the things that are and the things that must soon come to pass and then it's all like there's this urgency like it's coming quickly. Everything is everything is about to happen. So, I mean, yeah, the 2,000-year gap and it's like it only it's only 2,000 years because if it was three because if we were living in the year 30,000, it'd be a 3,000 year gap, right? It would include us, right?

Right. So, when uh John is saying he's in tribulation, he's probably writing that right around the time that this war began approximately. And like he's literally living in it.

Yeah. The one thing that I had I made a couple podcasts about this maybe this time last year and that's what I was talking about. I was talking about the abomination of desolation. I was talking about the Jewish Roman war and I was really kind of almost like upset like that they no one ever told us about that and and I've asked a few people about this when I first heard about predestination. One of the strongest countering arguments, at least that I believed before, was well, the book of Revelation was written in 95 AD, so it can't really it it can't be about the destruction of Jerusalem. And so, let's just for one minute, we'll humor that idea. Well, then why don't they ever write about in the Bible about the temple being destroyed?

Yeah, that's a big deal. Like, I mean, I don't think people understand like how big a deal that was.

Oh, yeah. That that happened. it like it wiped out like the Jewish identity in that whole area and that's why the Romans did it and it's never meant. Yeah. So if if we had if if Paul you know John lived into almost 100 AD or whatever supposedly he lived to there's no correspondence between him and anyone else.

Yeah. It would be nice if there was because then we could clear up some of these these debates about like what's true or it's not. But I think it seems really obvious if the only reason why that that was not written about in the canonical books that we have in the letters is because it hadn't happened yet. Right. Because otherwise it's like I said it's like the biggest omission of omissions that that that's not written about. Yeah. It's not documented in any way other than people like historians like Josephus who wrote about it. But obviously people that would say that's not inspired text.

Yeah, Josephus is used by many people who are in apologetics to to validate the gospel, validate the Bible in its entirety that that he wrote his antiquity of the Jews and then he chronicles the Jewish Roman war and he he without his goal being it he verifies a lot of things that the Bible says.

Yeah. Which is awesome.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's the thing and it's like so another crazy thing is like if you actually look into what he wrote about the Jewish Roman war, he mentioned that there was a a star that resembled a sword that hung over Jerusalem for a year during that time. He also mentioned that there was soldiers in the clouds when Jerusalem was being attacked.

Really? He Yeah. He also mentioned something about there was a voice that came out of the temple that said um we are going to leave hence something like that. It's like real weird things like it me I think he mentioned that there was a red a red heifer gave birth to a lamb in the temple.

Wow. There's all kinds of and so the soldiers in the clouds it that was also written by Tacitus who might be a even more famous Roman historian also wrote about it and in their accounts they say if we were not there you would think that these things were fairy tales we're telling people but he's like no but this is actually really happened and it's verified by more than one like credible historian.

Yeah. So, I even think about like in the book of Revelation, it said or in in Matthew 24, it says that before um before Jesus comes back, it says, I wonder if that could have been that sign that he mentioned that was in the heavens, because it says in Matthew 24, let's see, it said it said uh so in verse 29, it says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken, and then shall appear a sign of the son of man in heaven. And so I thought like I wonder if that's like what the sign, you know, because it's like that's before he comes back. There's a sign in the heavens of the son of man. And I thought, wow. I mean, he mentioned he also mentioned a comet that was present in the sky for like a year. Weird things like I mean I don't even I don't even understand how that works. But that's what that's what's written about when the temple was destroyed and Jerusalem was destroyed. So I mean to me like when you put that together and again it's not in the Bible. Nobody even told us about it. I think that to me it's like did they not want us to know? Did they not want us to question if you know at at the very least Jesus predicted the temple was going to be destroyed? And that was a big big deal that he did that.

Oh yeah. He was obviously correct about that. But some people would say that he wasn't correct about the other things. And I'm I'm I'm of the belief that I trust that Jesus was correct about everything that he said, not just that. And and it's can be verified based on that he said more than one thing was going to happen that definitely happened. There was going to be wars. There was wars. The apost the apostles were going to be martyred and persecuted and also the temple was going to be destroyed. So all those things happened and some people are just saying like so the only thing that didn't happen was that he came back. But again so you would say that the bad things he said were going to happen were going to happen but not the good thing.

Right. Good point. So, you and I have both been raised to believe that um the tribulation period is in our future. Um and probably a rapture before that starts.

Mhm. Is going to come. There's going to be a rapture and all the saints are going to be removed. Um break that down a little bit and maybe if you can or if you want to um wh why is this how did this traditional view even come about? Like why do we all believe this?

Well, you know, it's funny just even like so there's debates if there ever was a rapture there's going to be one. You know, some people just don't read the text like that. I know where people get it from and it's in it's it's first Thessalonians 4, I think like 17 and 18. It mentions that that the dead will rise first and then those who are alive and remain will be caught up into the clouds and the Greek word harpazo. So it doesn't say rapture, but I mean I think that's what people get where the rapture is from. That being said, it's interesting the way that only Paul writes about that. And I know that Peter mentions that some people twist the words of Paul, you know, because it's the things he writes are confusing because before before Paul wrote that, there was only the resurrection. So people are resurrected and so what happens if you're resurrected? You have to die first, right? Typically, I mean, I guess you could be resurrected if you're still alive, but I mean, that that's how we understand it. Even it says in um in Revelation 20 it mentions it mentions those who are going to rule with Christ. At the end it says well I'll go right over there and read it.

Mhm. I think it's kind of interesting that it doesn't mention anyone who did not die. It says, okay, this is uh Revelation 20:4. And it says, "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and the judgment was given upon them. And I saw the souls of those who were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither his had received his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." So he tells to the people who are reigning with him and it says the rest of the dead did not were not raised until afterwards. So it makes it makes I mean it makes it seem like that everybody who was reigning with Christ had died first.

Right. Now, now that being said, the what we're really talking about, I think, is the pre-trib pre-tribulation rapture, which I've always which even when I I was taught that in school, but when I started reading my Bible again, I was like, I don't think that it's I think it's after the tribulation because and I'll tell you why. I know some people try to separate the return of Christ and the rapture as two different events, but if you go into um back to Matthew 24, I think I always believed that. Yeah, if you go right here, it says because it's like he starts telling you all the bad things that are going to happen. He said, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days that I just read there, those days shall the sun be darkened, the moon shall not give her light, and the star shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall appear the son of man in heaven, and shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. and he shall send his angels with a great sound of the trumpet and they shall gather his elect from the four winds from one end of he heaven to the other. So he's saying like that he's returning after the tribulation of those days. And I always kind of separated where I believe that you had you have this period where you have the tribulation and then you have God's wrath. And that's how I used to always see it like that that we're not appointed to God's wrath. God's not sending down fire from heaven on his people. He's he's going to take us out of that. But in the meantime, people would s suffer tribulation of like the antichrist, the beast system before that before the son of man comes to judge the evil. Now where people get that is like is John Darby. So John Darby is from the 1800s and then eventually I think you get into like the stuff with like the Scoffield Bible and I think that's where you get in this kind of modern dispensational teaching about that the 1948 Israel as a fulfillment of prophecy and as all this stuff is about to happen somehow the church is going to escape it all. I mean I don't know like I said I just knew that I could not find that anywhere in the Bible and I just I never liked it. It's funny like when I used to hear people try to explain the pre-trip rapture to me, they'd always say, "You have to go watch this guy on YouTube. He's got like this two-hour study and I always like, can you just show me in the scriptures where it says that?" Because I feel I'm pretty sure Jesus said, "In this world, you'll have tribulation." I'm pretty sure that he says that those who will seek to save their lives will lose it and those who are willing to lose their lives for my sake will find it. I know he said those who endure to the end will be saved. Those who are the ones who are going to get the crown. I thought, "So when's the end?" Like, so if he's taking you out before the end, it just never really rung true with me at all because I mean, the idea that he's going to take out every good Christian at his place and the only Christians that are going to be left are the ones who got saved afterwards after he after the rapture. It just doesn't make sense to me that he would like allow like the weakest Christians, the ones who had no faith and still really have no faith because they only believed after they saw a rapture. Those are the ones he's going to let go get slaughtered by some antichrist. I thought while

Yeah. At the same time, those people believe that the wedding feast is happening while people are being martyred on the earth. And I just thought like that's that just seem it just seems like so off in from my perception of like how God's ever done anything.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And so what's interesting also is the timing of the Scoffield Bible. I mean some people have debated whether the Rothschilds actually funded the Scoffield Bible. I think it's really hard to pin that down for sure, but let's just

Say a lot of people believe that, and they probably believe it because of the timing of when it came out. It came out in the early, the early 1900s. I know that I think maybe said the first release of it was like 1907, and then there was another release in like 1913, I believe, and that was right around the same time as World War I. During World War I, that's when the Germans basically had the Allies beat, and unless America entered the war, the war was done; Germany had won. And so that's where the Balfour Declaration comes in: the Rothschilds made a deal with the British in order to take Palestine, to develop it, to become the nation of Israel. It's like what Zionism, and so they wanted Palestine. In order for them to get Palestine, they said, "We'll, if the British and the French do not surrender, then we'll get the Americans into the war." So they extended the war longer, and that's what, and and so that's what happened. So that's why, of course, that's why it would end up leading to World War II as well, is because that's why certain people believe that they were stabbed in the back, and that's why the war ended the way it did. Wow.

So that being said, so then you have who actually put the people in that land: it was not God. I mean, not that God couldn't use bad people to do that kind of thing, but I think it's really interesting that that's kind of where dispensationalism has this view of, like, that there's still these dual covenants. Like there's still this covenant for Israel and then also for the church, when we know that if we're one in Christ, well then we're one, right? Then there's no Jew nor Greek. There's no slave nor free. There's no male nor female. We're all one in Christ Jesus. And if we're one in Christ, then we're all Abraham's seed. But this is teaching you that there's no, there's still two separate promises, when every promise is fulfilled through Jesus. That's why if you believe on him, believe in him, then you, you're, you're one of his. That's true. That's true. That's what Paul says, I think, in Galatians 4: that true Israel is the one who believes. The true Israel of God is the one who believes on the same promise of Jacob, who is Israel, going all the way back to Abraham. So it's kind of interesting that that's where you get this modern support of, support Israel no matter what. Well, now you understand, like, so if you really do think, if you can kind of point these things back to the people who established Israel, and then these people have their roots in what Darby wrote and what Scoffield wrote with his study notes in the Bible, that that's why people support whatever is happening there, regardless if it should be supported.

Yeah. And I think that I, I mean, of course, like I said, somebody who's, who's looked into conspiracies, I think that that's a big deal. And I think like that has really influenced our foreign policy. It's influenced, um, I mean everything. I mean, the way the, the whole world works right now. Oh yeah. So going back for one, a couple minutes ago, mentioning the rapture again, I remembered what I was going to ask, and that was about what we talked about briefly regarding the rapture of saints versus, versus the rapture of evil. Um, and so this was, I found it interesting, a couple points you had made when we talked offline, but then also there's other, there's several texts in the Bible that talk about the kingdom of God being established and it will not end. Even take it, um, in even other texts like Enoch, the very first verse says that the tribulation, um, there would be a rapture of evil, of the wicked. And so I don't know if you wanted to mention any more about that, about how the, if there is a rapture of any kind, it's not of the good people. It's not of the saints, but it's of the wicked. Just like when the world was at the most wicked time back in Noah's day, he didn't take Noah and his family out. He took the bad guys out.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, so the other example is you have Lot and his family; they get taken out of the city, and then so, but they're obviously not taken up to heaven. They're just taken out of the wicked place, and the wicked place is judged. So what you said, but to go back to what you said um about the kingdom. So some people would say that, so when did people say the kingdom of God is going to end? It's like the kingdom of God does not end. So I think that's the real thing where you see we call it a millennial kingdom; the Bible doesn't call it that. It just says there's a thousand years. So obviously, a thousand years being a millennial reign, you have a couple things that happen: you have the first resurrection, but you also have the devil put in a pit, and then he's let out after the thousand years. So it's not like when the devil's let out, the kingdom ends. The kingdom is eternal. The kingdom is forever, right? The kingdom is everlasting after Jesus establishes. And I think that's what people don't quite, don't really quite grasp. It makes sense if the old temple system could be done away with by the destruction of the temple, the new covenant cannot be, because that we are the kingdom of God through having the Holy Spirit in, in us, and we are connected with the kingdom of heaven even while we're here. And I believe that that's what really Jesus was talking about when he was saying the kingdom's in the midst of you. He was talking about himself being filled with the Holy Spirit, and that was the kingdom because Jesus tells the apostles that you'll know the kingdom of God is here when you can cast out demons by the finger of God. So the fact that he, he had authority to do that, you know, the kingdom was here, is that he could do that. So that, that's how they would make understand, like, that that God, God, the Father had given Jesus all authority to do things on heaven and earth, and then he'd given it to the apostles afterwards. So when he takes the right hand of the Father, the kingdom is established. I believe at that point, like the kingdom was there, and that's what the, the gospel of the kingdom needed to go out through all the nations, which it did. It says in First Colossian, or Colossians 1:23, it mentioned that the gospel that you have heard has been preached to every creature under heaven. So some people say this can't happen yet because the gospel has not been preached all around the world. But Paul had said it had been to every cre, every creature under heaven.

So that being said, that I think that that's what he was talking about, like that in the Daniel prophecies you had this stone that was going to be, was going to come out of a mountain that was not carved by human hands, and it was going to destroy the Nebuchadnezzar statue that had all the different kingdoms. And so that was the establishment of the kingdom that was forever. Right? So that being said, I, me and I was, I was telling you before we were, before we were live, is that my buddy and I, we were talking about Revelation. Yeah. Being written for us but not to us. And then I was mentioning the Left Behind series again, like that I've been, everybody I've been so influenced by. Yeah. And I remember again when I was reading my Bible, I was like, Jesus never tells anyone to not be left behind. That's not a warning he ever gives anybody. He's always like, "You better be ready," like, "You're going to need to be ready because when I come it's going to be, I'm coming in judgment." Yeah. So he's not talking about other people being left behind. He's like, he's warning them specifically not about the Antichrist. He's warning them about him coming. And so, so even you think about there's the parable of the wheat and the tares is that the, the tares get thrown into the furnace first, right? And then the wheat gets put into the barn. So the first, yeah. So like the first, whatever you might consider the rapture was the evil being taken out of this place. Exactly. And so if you go into, it's Luke chapter 17, and this is the, this is the funny thing, and we, I was asking my buddy, I said, "If Left Behind was accurate to scripture, would they ever let you, would they ever let a Hollywood big production be put on the big screen with scriptural accurate stuff like that?" And my buddy was like, "No, absolutely not." And so the funny part about it is, so obviously everyone knows kind of like the idea of Left Behind. And so this is where they get it from. So this is Luke 17, starting with verse 33: "Whoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it. Whoever shall, whoever shall lose their, his life for, no, sorry. Whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you in that night there shall be two men in one bed. One shall be taken, the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together. One shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field, and one shall be taken, and the other left." And they answer, and they answered and said unto him, "Where, Lord?" And he said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, there will the eagles be gathered together." And so another translation that says, we, we think of eagles being a little different than, um, right, than probably they're eagles are dirty because they eat you. The Bible tells you not to eat eagles because they, they eat carcasses, right? And so what it says in the ESV it says, yeah. So it, in the ESV it says, "And they said, 'Where, Lord?' And he said unto them, 'Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.'" So, so he's telling them they're being taken to a place where they'll be killed and eaten by birds. So yeah, like it's, so it's like literally the opposite of what the movie is saying. Like, 'cause the person who's not taken is the one who lives. The one who's taken is, is to be killed. My gosh. I mean, that's totally the opposite of what we're always told. It's certainly not the intent of what Jesus was telling them. Yeah. But again, it, it makes sense. It's like that these, this place is going to get really bad. And yeah, it's like it's, it's judgment of the evil is going to happen. That's what Jesus is coming back to do. He's coming back to judge the wicked.

Mhm. So a lot of questions that, you know, the few people that I've started talking to this about, um, they have all these questions, like, "Well, doesn't there have to be an Antichrist?" And I don't know if you were saying before that you thought Nero was the Antichrist already, or if there has to be a specific individual, but then, you know, there's, of course, is there an actual mark of the beast that people like, took, book, or will take, or, um, is it code for something else? Is it symbolic? Um, anything on those types of topics that you could, or, or even, oh, there's the two witnesses, and they'll be killed and then resurrected and stuff like that. Any comments on those things that people often bring up when talking about this? Um, I mean, we have lots of speculation on, like, that who the Antichrist could be. I mean, for one, it says that the Antichrist is a spirit. So, it's, it's my, it's been my belief that based on the way I read the scriptures is that you have this beast that comes out of the pit in Revelation 9, and the spirit kind of indwells men, right? And so that's why there's multiple kings. It mentions kings that die, and then kings that are not, and who, you know, who will be, and all that kind of stuff. I think it's like, so I think that the spirit is indwelling the kings of Rome, the emperors of Rome, and so yes, I think Caligula, Nero, and I think in Greek is the gematria of the name is 666. It makes sense also that if John is saying this calls for a mind of wisdom, who can calculate the number, he's talking about somebody who's there, he's writing in code about who he's, who it's going to be; he's not trying to be mysterious, he's trying to say, like, "I'm writing this during," right? I think that that's what it is because I think if you said that this, you know, if Caesar is the Antichrist, I think it might have been, maybe they would not have got the letter to those people. So, so then, yeah, then who are the two witnesses? I mean, we, we can speculate about lots of this stuff, but I mean, the truth is, I can't, I can't tell you for sure. I mean, some people have speculated, what if it's something as simple as, what if it was Paul and Peter, you know, like you have this one, this one apostle is going mostly to the people in Israel, and then Paul's going elsewhere. I think I know that, um, I mean, u, again, we don't know where they were martyred. I think that, I think it Paul might have been martyred in Rome, but again, I'm not sure if I can verify that either. The truth of the matter is, like, that I cannot say for sure. Yeah, because again, it's not like that's, it's not written in the Bible. So I guess the only thing is I would say that I believe that that happened. Now, the mark of the beast, there actually is um accounts that that the Romans actually did, u, make people do some kind of ceremonial worship in order to buy and sell at times. I, for, I, and I'm sorry if I don't have like the proper reference from that, but I know that one of my friends did a video about that, and I, I don't have all the details about that. But there's that, I mean, that to me, that sounds like what a mark of the beast would be, is that you, it, it does involve some kind of a worship, otherwise, like, because like, why would a mark on the hand prevent you from going to heaven?

Exactly. Right. Because I think it, it involved obviously denying your god to worship the, the empire or the king of Rome. Yeah, I've heard something similar to that. It also mentions in Deuteronomy that what you, what you do and what you think is like your head and your hand. So like your hand symbolizing what you do, and you, and your mark on your forehead is a symbol to what you think. It actually kind of makes sense because what people don't ever really mention in the book of Revelation is the saints are sealed too. So the saints have this mark to not, you know, so the angels know who not to, or that maybe even some of the spiritual entities not to torment these people who have God's seal on them. But nobody thinks that that's a physical seal because people believe it's, my belief's always been that it's, it's the Holy Spirit. That's how we're marked as one of his. It's not a phys, I don't believe that was a physical mark. So maybe people looking for a physical mark today, it's really not ever what it was supposed to be, whatever it was. Yeah. All this is like so interesting, and I really love talking about it. Um, and in just wrapping up, are there any other final points or details that you would like to talk about?

Yeah, I would say that I know, I know, sure, a lot of people who are skeptical, and I, I think rightfully skeptical if this is the first time you ever heard anything like this, that they would say, "Well, why don't we know more about this? Like, why is it, why am I hearing it from you and not from my history book or something like that?" Well, one of the things that we have learned over the past few years is that the, the years we're in, is this really the year 2025? I know that sounds insane, but I think even just based on, like, have you ever questioned yourself why we have an A.D./B.C. chronology in the first place? Why is there a time that was that was counting backwards, and then there's been a time that we're counting forwards? And the more I looked into that is like the reason I believe that that we have an Anno Domini timeline, which Anno Domini means the year of our Lord. At some point, someone decided they were going to date things based on when Jesus was here, right? I think that's a, that's something that can't be overstated, like how big a deal that is. It's like that they change the whole chronology of the world based on Jesus. Like, so I think when you grow up in a Christian world, it's like you just naturally take for granted that this, this is how it always been. But like if you read your Bible, it's like that's not how it always was, right? It was definitely not how it always was because we're told, like, based on the way the Bible ends, it's like there's a small sect of people who are following the way, right? It's like it's really little. But then you go to almost every town in Europe and every town in America and South America and, you know, lots of places around the world, and you see cathedrals and, and Christian churches, and they're everywhere. And so at one point people believed in Jesus. Maybe not everyone specifically, but like the whole world, you can see evidence that that Christianity made its mark on this world.

Yeah. So, what I found really interesting is that some of these studies about the chronology, especially in the first, the first millennia A.D., it's, there's lots of real vague parts of history. Like, people don't even really know how Rome fell. Historians debate when Rome fell within hundreds of years. Really weird stuff. But then I started to learn, like, that why they call the dark ages the dark ages. They call it that because it was about a thousand years, and during this thousand years that culture did not advance, language did not advance, and architecture did not advance. So it's like nothing really happened. It's not like you, people would in their minds, I think they think of the dark ages, they think about these really, like, I don't know, just uncultured people just like living in just like all backwards life. But that's really not why they call it the dark ages. They don't, they call the dark ages because there's really no history during this time. And I think once I, once I started to learn that there was a cataclysm in the first millennia that if you look this up, and of course these dates I'm not, I don't believe, but there's a year called 536 where that during that year it started 18 months of darkness. The sun did not shine for 18 months. It was followed by like a mini ice age, the bubonic plague, wars, and this was an event that that took place over the whole world. And this is when the Roman Empire fell. And I was, and when I started to learn that, I was like, and if you look that up, you'll be able to find it. And they'll say it was based on like volcanoes and things like that. I, I don't know how it happened, but the point is like this is written about, but nobody knows about this. And I think that what I found really interesting is that like we don't know how the Romans did built a lot of the things they did. We don't know how they created Roman concrete. There's lots of things the Romans did; we have no idea how they did it. And I was always like, "Well, how, like if Rome, like ruled the whole world, how has any of this been lost?" Because they were in all the cities. So even if Rome, the greater concept of Rome fell, like their governors and prefects and kings and people would have been everywhere. So they would have, they got their stamp on all these cities. Like, how did they, how did any of this information get lost? Is because I believe that this is evidence that there was this cataclysm that was literally on the, the level of the book of Revelation had happened. And then so you really had this dividing line of, like, the time before that and then the time after that. And that's why they established a new timeline, a new chronology, is because that's why I know that sounds insane, but if you look that up, that they say that the A.D. chronology was not even widely adapted until the 10th century. So they basically started using A.D. at a 1000 A.D., right? And I've, and on my channel I have a really interesting presentation by this German researcher, um, professor. I saw it actually. He, yeah. His name's Gunnar Heinson. He's sadly, he, he passed away two years ago. Otherwise, I would have loved to have him on the podcast. Yeah. But, but it was his belief that 700 years were added to the first millennium because he believed that all these things had taken place, like, that that all the, the strata based on, like, digging in the ground. So like, obviously newer things we built on top of older things. So like that would show in the strata level. But he's saying, like, in the first millennium everything's built on the same strata because he believed it was all built at the same time. So he literally puts, like, he, he would almost move Jesus forward to like almost like the year 800. So we're really only talking about, if you think about that, we're really only talking about being maybe a 1200 years removed from the times of Jesus.

Yeah. And that would kind of put us in this time directly after a thousand years, which would possibly put us in that little season, time, time frame where Satan is loose from the pit and he's allowed to deceive the nations. And I would say that if, if you have, if you're curious and if you looked into a lot of the things we talk about, I think most people, it's even if you believe that a pre-tribulation rapture is going to come soon, you would still believe that we live in a very, very deceptive time. Yeah. And I think that, I think it makes, I mean, to me it makes the most sense of, like, it's, it's true to the scriptures because it, because we'll say, I'll believe Jesus no matter what our history books say. I don't care what our pastor says. I know that he's talking about this specific time. And so to me, it makes sense that, well, why don't we know more? Because there was one, an epic level of destruction. Like we live in, like, a post-apocalyptic landscape after a certain time, timelines divided, and then we live in the time after that. And we're really only, we really only believe what we're taught. And we know that we're taught by people who are really not the most trustworthy people. So yeah, I'm just gonna, just believe Jesus, and then I'm gonna, you know, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna rest on that. Yeah. Well, that's a wise thing to do. Always count on that, I think. Well, JT, it was amazing talking to you. I really appreciate you stopping by. And I, I know that people are going to have some comments about this. Um, but hey, um, I say feel free to, to let me know what you think, and um, anything, any uh, last final thoughts, or, yeah.

Well, sure. I would say that, um, yeah, do not just trust me. I would say that if you're curious, and I think if you want to know this stuff, and I think that we just want what's, we just want what's true. Like I said, I don't believe this is an inch and ear doctrine. I don't think this is something I would want to believe unless I did actually believe it. And I, I again, I'll rest on that the Bible says, "Let every word of God be true, as if every man was a liar." So I mean, that's what I, that's what I would believe. And I would say that if you do doubt me, which I said I, I kind of hope you do if this is the first time you've heard it, read the scriptures again. Read the New Testament again, and read it, and read it with the mindset of that it's written to the people who are being spoken to and obviously the people it's addressed to. And then if you read it with that, with that kind of understanding, tell me it doesn't change what it says. Yeah. But try, try not to read what you already know in your head, what you think you know into the Bible, and read it for what it just says, and then start challenging the things that you think you know. And I guarantee you God's going...

To speak to you in a totally different way. It's going to blow your mind. It might make you sick for a little bit, like it probably has for all of us.

But, you know, I think that that's the thing. It's like if you want the, you know, it's kind of like the old Matrix. You want the red pill or the blue pill? You want the red pill, we'll show you just how deep this rabbit hole goes. You can come on my channel and you can check it out. We've got lots of, like, videos where we back things up with the scriptures. We have lots of wild speculation. Or you can take the blue pill, and then you can wake up in your bed and you believe whatever you want to believe. I think that's such a perfect analogy, too. And like, that's exactly what it is. Yeah. Believe whatever you want to believe. You take this blue pill.

But if you if you're willing to go at least check it out. I mean, I think that just based on due diligence, and I and I made a real about this recently and I just said, you know, if if I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, there's still going to be a little season one day, right? So, maybe it's worth maybe it's worth looking into what it could be like because we already know what, based on everyone's telling us what the what the pre-trip rapture or the post-trip rapture is supposed to be like, because we we have just endless amounts of stuff on that. So maybe just at the very least for due diligence to see, maybe you should just look into it, just say like, because one day somebody's going to be deceived in that time, right? And they might it might be now.

Yeah, that's awesome. Well, thanks again, JT. And yes, everyone watching, check out his channel. He has got so much content, so many videos, so many different uh topics, conspiracies, and really goes deep into some of the uh interesting things that not a lot of people like to talk about. So, um, I recommend that highly. So, God bless everybody, and thank you. Have a good night. [Music]