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If you were Nazis who, let's say, could see that timeline where you win the war, you know, like literally, but then you also are overthrown in a massive revolution from two directions by communist partisans in the east and by American patriots in the west. And then you're completely decimated. I mean, your ideology becomes anathema for all of history. Wouldn't you come up with another better way to engineer your thousand-year Reich? Wouldn't you then invest in a social engineering project to prepare the conditions for your thousand-year Reich for maybe a century or so?
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Welcome back. I'm here again with Jason Georgiani. Jason, welcome back. I should call you doctor. Actually, I'll have, I'll have doctor underneath your name.
>> Just call me Jason. Just call me Jason. And it's great to be back with you, Sean.
>> Okay. So, we left off. We were talking about the demise of Atlantis. Prometheus. Uh, funny enough, the name of my LLC is Prometheium Enterprises.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> How interesting. You know, there's another Prometheium that I was involved briefly with the founder of it, guy called Jerry Catel, and it's a company that offers remote viewing and astrological forecasting to CEOs, the corporate CEOs.
>> Interesting. Yeah. So, the enterprise part, I think, is the part that separates it because there were a few obviously when I was trying to get the name, but there's a book by Dara Mason. It's his, he spells Darra like D A R A G G H or something like that. He's an Irishman and he's written this book about the dark man and it is very similar in terms of he looks at it from Celtic and kind of British, not British, but English and Scottish folklore, although Scots would fit in Celtic and there is this trickster element. There is this creative element, all very similar to kind of the Prometheian, Prome, you know, Prometheus mythos and things like that. So, it seems like it's, and I'm just going to say it, cuz I think Jesse Michaels had asked if you were if you were a Satanist. That's that's almost kind of a coarse question, but there's kind of Luciferian and not like in the kind of Christian kind of dark connotations, but this rebellion that you talked about and this desire for freedom and to kind of drive one's own fate. So if you kind of go down that path a little bit.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> Kind of see what you see as that.
>> Absolutely. So, no, I'm not a Satanist, nor do I subscribe to Satanism for the simple reason that
>> I didn't think so. For the record, by the way,
>> a philosopher. Well, I'll, well, let me get into the devil's in the details. The devil really is in
>> literally, literally, right. So, look, it's for the simple reason that a philos a real philosopher, to be contrasted with all these academics who call themselves philosophers, a real philosopher cannot be the captive of any ideology.
>> Right?
>> So, if you, I mean, look, Jean Paul was a real philosopher, but he really did himself a disservice in the degree to which he associated himself with communism, in particular with Maoism in the later part of his life. He did himself a disservice. Okay. And I think it's related to why Heidegger, Heidegger's flirtation with Nazism was very brief. He only got involved with the Nazi party because he thought in a Platonic sense, you know, he could use the structure of the German Reich to advance a certain philosophical project that would allow, for example, a more adequate encounter with the potentially devastating instrumentalizing force of modern technology. And so, point being, he was thinking like Plato was thinking when Plato went to Syracuse and tried to turn this tyrant, Dionysus, into the model philosopher king that he sets forth in Republic. It was imagination where he was thought that he could manipulate this political machinery in a way that would serve a philosophical purpose, and he was very quickly disabused of that illusion and distanced himself from the party significantly after only a few years.
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So, I think that you cannot be both an ideologue and a philosopher, and nor can you, by the way, be an adherent of any religion and be a philosopher. So, none of the people in the European Middle Ages who are called philosophers, like, I don't know, Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine and Duns Scotus and these people, whatever these people, they're not. Nor, for example, Abu Nasr al-Farabi in Iran in the medieval period, or certainly not Al-Ghazali or Alberuni and so on and so forth. These people are theologians who are abusing the erudition of philosophy in order to advance ultimately an apologetics for some religion, whether it's Christianity or Islam. So, and by the same token, like you can't have a Hindu philosopher. It doesn't make any sense. I mean, you either have philosophy in India or you don't. You know, you either got an Indian who's a philosopher or he isn't. He's a cultist, he's a god-worshipper. So, a philosopher can't be an adherent of any religion or ideology. Therefore, to the extent that I want to be a legitimate philosopher, you know, and be authentic to the task of a philosopher, I'm not going to be a Satanist or advocate Satanism. And in fact, I've even distanced my, as people who've been following me for a long time can see, I've even distanced myself from Prometheism, from my own framing of Prometheism because again, like Heidegger, I was trying to accomplish something very pragmatic with it. And if I can just briefly go back to something in, you know, in our other conversation we touched on, which was blockchain.
>> Mhm.
>> Yes. Blockchain is being abused by the global controllers now to bring this digital currency system into place and to augment their global surveillance of us. But, you know, blockchain had tremendous liberating potential.
>> Of course.
>> And we, you know, my associates and I, associates of mine, broadly associated, let's say, with the project of Prometheism, were trying to develop an independent blockchain system and actually even a cryptocurrency that was associated with it, that will be private and that would be stable, as well as an encrypted communication system that will work through this blockchain network. Okay. So, point being, and the intelligence people descended on us. They, they
>> Of course.
>> they disrupted it. They ran all kinds of operations against us that I never talk about. People think that I was only targeted by this one intelligence operation that led to my defamation. You have no idea.
>> That's probably what that might be. What got. Well, when did you do that? Was it after 2016 when you got involved with the blockchain?
>> Oh, yes. This was all right.
>> 2020? 2020.
>> Okay. So, they were already aware of you at that time. They were already aware of you at that time.
>> Oh, for sure. I've been under rigorous surveillance the whole time. And so, they even though we used Signal and stuff and we tried to be careful, we were infiltrated and we were manipulated horribly. Anyway, anyway, my point is this. But
>> By the way, Signal's not safe. It's.
>> It's.
>> No, it was cracked by the NSA like two years ago.
>> Yeah. Anyway, and the CIA doesn't use it anymore for that reason because all these agencies spy on each other too.
>> Mhm.
>> Anyway, my point is this that Prometheism, I only framed it the way that I did because I had a practical project in mind and like Heidegger did at a certain time, like Plato did in Syracuse, and it kind of outlived its usefulness because I realized that that type of institution building that I was trying to do with certain technical capabilities that be independent and so forth, including, by the way, a rogue AI, we're going to have to do it much more dynamically. It's not going to work that way. It's not going to work. They, they'll see it. They see it coming from, you know, a thousand miles away. It, you know, so it kind of outlived its usefulness and I've even distanced myself from the closest I ever got to an ideology that I invented as part of my philosophical project. Right? So, Prometheus remains incredibly important to me as an archetype that is integral to the deep structure of the original concepts that I've developed and to my philosophical project. But Prometheism, you know, or some, you know, self-identification as a Prometheist is, I think, not really constructive. So, I've even distanced myself from that. So, point being, to begin to answer your question, I'm not a Satanist or an advocate of Satanism for those reasons. That having been said, that having been said, and, you know, people like LaVey really gave Satanism such a bad name in the 20th century, you know, Anton LaVey, he was this cheap carny barker with like B-movie horror aesthetics that he cobbled together for this ultimately money-making enterprise, you know?
>> Yeah. That's why it's one of the reasons Michael Aquino broke with him. Michael Aquino, I didn't know very much about him until recently because I do a lot of research for the show. But a lot of the concepts that you were, you're talking about were some of the concepts he, he, independent of just take out the Satanism aspect of it, were very similar to what you're talking about in terms of individualist, develop your own methodology, kind of learn things for yourself and evolve that way. And I think that seems to be the core of your philosophy. And for some people, the people who like to be part of the herd, that's terrifying. For others, it's very liberating. And I think that is what's going to save the human species, at least in the time that we're in. We're familiar with the concept of the four turnings, right?
>> Yeah.
>> We're right in the middle of the fourth turning right now, right? The last one was the last seculum, right? 80 years before was the end of World War II, 1945. 80 years before that, 1865, end of the Civil War. And I think to kind of survive this massive lockdown that we're going to see, and both the left and right are doing it, and they're using the excuses that the other side is, is, you know, has done it. That's going to be kind of what when they try to herd everybody into a tighter control mechanism. So, in terms of kind of your philosophy and confronting that and also kind of bringing back that psychic element, how do those freethinkers who are still among us survive this time?
>> Right? So, let me come around to answering that. But by way of response to what you said about Michael Aquino, one of the interesting things Michael Aquino did with the Temple of Set, which is actually worthy of comparison to my project, unlike the
>> Yeah, I didn't mean to insult you in any way. I just thought it was
>> No, it's worthy of comparison to my project. It's and it's interesting because he refused to accept the Judeo-Christian framing of Satan.
>> Mhm.
>> And went back to the figure of Set from out of Egyptian religion. And we can have a whole, you know, we could now, we won't now, but, you know, one could have a whole theological discussion about whether the best analog to Prometheus in Egyptian religion is actually Set, or whether it's more like Horus or something. I mean, that's a whole, you know, theological conversation we could have. But in any case, I appreciate what he was trying to do, which is to say that the satanic precedes the Abrahamic. I won't say just Judeo-Christian, but also Islam. The satanic precedes the Abrahamic, which is something that almost no one understands. And people constantly argue the opposite that, oh, you cannot have a conception of the satanic without, you know, Judeo-Christianity as the framework for it, you know, or the Abrahamic religions in general, including Islam as the framework for it. And that's a crock of [ __ ] frankly. And I've shown that very clearly in my work that in the context of the Olympian traditionalism of archaic Greece, in other words, the Homeric religion, the religion you see in the Iliad and the Odyssey, and that you see in also Hesiod. Hesiod is very important poet in terms of understanding this with his Homeric hymns and the place that Hesiod carves out for Prometheus in the Homeric hymns. It's clear when you look at that that Prometheus is Satan for the Greeks. He's a Satan. The Satan means the adversary, and the Satan is a counter-traditional figure. In other words, the Satan is a counter-initiator, to use the
>> Instead of the apple, instead of the apple, he gave fire. Right? Very similar.
>> It's the serpent in Eden. Right? It's the counter-initiator who wants to bring a wisdom to humanity that has been forbidden by the controllers and overlords of humanity. And clearly in Greek religion, hundreds and hundreds of years before Christ, that is Prometheus. Prometheus is the Satan. And you can also see it, and by the way, also Prometheus is literally the Lucifer. So, he's the lightbringer.
>> The lightbringer, right? You know, both in the sense of the torch of tech, torch symbolizes craft, both in the sense of the arts and the sciences, but also the illumination that comes with mastering these crafts, right? Enlightenment. So, he's literally the Lucifer, the lightbearer, and the Satan of the Greeks, of archaic Greece. And then you look at in an Iranian context, and the same thing, Mithra. Clearly, in an Iranian context, the figure of Mithra, which precedes Zarathustra, is also this titanic wisdom figure, a titan of wisdom who is associated with fire and who comes to enlighten and liberate humanity and wages a battle to quote, crush the skulls of the daevas, unquote, crush the skulls of the gods. The Nordic gods. And so, Mithra is very much an analog to Prometheus. And I've even made an argument in Iranian Leviathan and a couple of other of my books that I don't want to go into the weeds of this right now, but, you know, people can read it, you know, and as I said, the devil
>> And we'll have the links below too.
>> the devil's literally in the details here. If you look at the form of Mithraism that existed in the Caucasus, remember where is Prometheus chained? In the Caucasus.
>> Myths. And in fact, specifically old writers like Hesiod refer to Prometheus as chained to the Scythian peaks. If you look at the culture of the Scythian Caucasus in the time of archaic Greece, when it was, you know, it was part of Iran until 200 years ago. The Russians only took the Caucasus from Iran 200 years ago. So, we're talking about northwestern Iran. If you look at the culture and mythology and folklore of that place at the time of, let's say, the Iliad and the Odyssey, you see a form of Mithraism that includes a figure who's just like Prometheus. He's a fire-bearing rebel titan against the gods who winds up being chained to the peaks of the Caucasus and having his liver attacked by an eagle, and exactly like a Herculean figure has to come and kill this eagle, to which is, you know, the same thing in Greek myth that Hercules frees Prometheus from being chained and preyed upon by the eagle of Zeus. So, one can even make the case that the myth of Prometheus comes from a Mithraic Iranian original. In any case, my point is that it was a good move for Aquino to make to go back to Set and to show, as I've shown much more extensively and more substantively, that the conception of the satanic or the counter-traditional, what maybe in a Hindu context you might call left-hand path, goes back way before Christ and it is not at all dependent on the Abrahamic religious belief structure.
Fascinating. Now, who are these Nordics? Where did they come from? That's a damn good question. The problem with trying to answer that question is that I think any decent physics and engineering comprehension of what a UFO is
>> leads you to the conclusion it's a time machine.
>> It's a flying time machine.
>> Because it warps the fabric of spacetime around it. It doesn't just get you from point A to point B. The way it can travel, seemingly travel at such incredible speeds without G-forces, you know, scrambling the pilots inside, is because it's actually warping the spacetime fabric around the device. And that means that there's time displacement involved in navigating in these things. So, as soon as you consider that what really has taken place with zero-point energy propulsion is the invention of time travel and a breakthrough that affords you a transtemporal access to various epochs of human history, then it becomes very hard to identify where these people are from, or rather when they are from. Because first of all, you can't believe them. I mean, they lie all the time. They told, you know, Adamski that, you know, they were from, you know, Venus, and they told, you know, Billy Meier they were from the Pleiades, and they lied to everybody about everything all the time. So, you can't believe them. And, you know, they told the biblical prophets that they were angels and so on and so forth. So, we're left to try to figure this out ourselves. And the Occam's Razor approach that I take in Closer Encounters, in other words, an attempt to develop the most parsimonious explanation with the least amount of assumptions.
>> Yeah. Occam's Razor. Yeah.
>> Is, and by the way, this may be wrong. I'm doing it because I'm a philosopher and my aim is to make sense out of things. And even if it's not an empirically valid interpretation, it's an interpretation of the empirical evidence in a way that gives us some kind of a coherent account that can at least be catalytic of philosophical ideas and potential resistance strategies.
>> Mhm.
>> So, my attempt to come up with a parsimonious explanation was to say this. We can look at our own history of scientific and technical development going back, you know, into the 1800s, and we can see the point where a certain development of Maxwell's equations in another direction from what was institutionalized by mainstream science and academia.
>> Yeah. There were more than the equations that have been published. They were just
>> Yes. And Nikola Tesla worked with those with the original wider set of Maxwell's equations, and Tesla was a proponent of a dynamic ether model of the cosmos that conflicted with Einsteinian spacetime. And Tesla's drawings are full of UFOs, ones he planned to engineer. In other words, they're full of wingless electrogravitic craft. Okay. So, clearly this guy figured it out. And that was round about the turn of the century, late 1800s, early 1900s, at exactly the time all these mystery airships appear, 1896 to 1897. So, by the way, I'm just going to say this here. I'm not sure when you're going to release this program.
>> It'll be early November.
>> Okay. So, by the time you release this program, I'm going to commit myself to this right here, right now. That my next piece on Substack, I hesitated a lot to put this out. I don't usually hesitate to, you know, to write or publish things, but in this case, I did. The next piece on my Substack, which will be out by the time you release this program, is going to be on Tesla and on the mystery airship inventors and who these people really were and what, what things they did. Okay. And in what way they formed the substructure of what became the US foreign intelligence community. And oh yeah, you had a tweet the other day that I saw something about the OSS and
>> Organization. Bilderberg Group. What became the Bilderberg Group and the OSS have a common predecessor and the people who founded that organization were the secret airship inventors in New York that when whenever these airships would land on farms and people would talk to the airship pilots, they would say that, you know, we're being funded by a group of investors in New York and soon the company's going to be traded on the stock exchange and this technology is going to go public. And of course, it never happened. But, point being, scientific technical breakthroughs never take place in isolation and they're never made by only one scientist.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. Look at Darwin and Wallace, for example.
>> Morphic fields, morphic resonance, right? The 100th monkey principle.
>> Yes. And, you know, the, we and the Germans were both developing nuclear weapons simultaneously and so on and so forth. Anyway, I think what happened is that another group of people besides Tesla happened upon this, and they had funding. They had the resources he didn't have that he was trying to get, and they went ahead and they developed this, but they developed it ultimately without the intention of, you know, publicly releasing this technology. And ironically, the people who funded it controlled all the major industries that would have been threatened by this technology. For example, E.H. Harriman was the main railroad magnate of magnate of the time, and a good argument can be made that he was part of this cabal that funded these airships, and that together with J.P. Morgan denied Tesla the possibility for developing this technology independently. Did you know Steven Schwarzman, the founder of Blackstone?
>> Blackstone, private equity, mega private equity firm, met with Harriman, like early in his, early in his career, and was talking about getting into government, and he said, "Don't go into government, right? Go, you know, my father went into the railroads, and that's why I was able to go into government." And basically, it's interesting how these little, and, you know, now Blackstone is in control of a grass, you know, probably more than people think.
>> Absolutely, absolutely. And I brushed up against them myself, and they sent a very duplicitous individual my way who was also involved with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. And this fellow did a lot of damage to us. Anyway, to go back to what I was saying, Harriman, the OSS, and then subsequently the CIA was fielded from out of Brown Brothers Harriman and Sullivan & Cromwell in New York. And I've been able to
>> Piece together that both of these companies were spawned by this group which in the Substack I'm about to come out with, I call the Historia group. And that's because their base of operations was the old Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City, which was subsequently demolished on purpose by them to build the Empire State Building.
>> Are you familiar with the Nine? The Council of Nine?
>> I've heard of it.
>> The channeling of the Council of Nine.
>> I've heard of it.
>> All kinds of real dark places like 09A and all this.
>> Yeah. The one of the, I think one of the families that was involved were the Astors. So, it all, and then of course, everyone in that channeling group was one or two degrees of separation away from Oswald.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the darkest things that I detail in this piece I'm about to come out with, or that will be out by the time you release this, is that one of the things this group of people did to bind themselves to each other in an oath of secrecy and mutual devotion as members of a crime syndicate is that they conducted a mass human sacrifice on the Titanic. John Jacob Astor IV was Nikola Tesla's last backer, and he was going to help Tesla independently develop this electrogravitic technology in defiance of J.P. Morgan, who was the de facto chairman of this Astoria group. And so, J.P. Morgan, who ran these, you know, transatlantic shipping lines, he swapped the Titanic for the aging Olympic, which was a twin ship of the Titanic. They basically retired it briefly, changed all the names and signs, and tried to get the details right. Although there's photographic evidence that the ship that sank was not the Titanic, there were certain details that were off. Anyway, he took this older cruise line, this older transportation ship, whatever.
>> Transatlantic. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That he, he took the older one, the one that had to be retired because it had sailed too many times and it was going to have to be retired anyway, and he labeled it as the Titanic, and then he sank it as, among other things, insurance fraud because he got the insurance money from it. And then he sailed the Titanic as the Olympic for like over a decade longer than that, you know, like so the ship that had been sailing as the Olympic was actually the real Titanic. Anyway, where I'm going with it is this. Back to Astor. So, it's all very dark and convoluted. One of the Astor brothers, the one after whom the hotel was named, conspired with J.P. Morgan to kill his brother, actually, I think it was his cousin, John Jacob Astor IV, aboard the Titanic because John Jacob Astor IV was going to continue to back Tesla. And it was also convenient to them that there were two other members of their cabal on board together with Astor. Guggenheim was one, and the other one, his name is escaping me, but he was the guy who founded Macy's, and he was a big merchant in New York at that in those days. And these two guys were opposed to the Federal Reserve, to establishing the Federal Reserve. They were the two dissenters in the Astoria group. And actually, I think Astor was also against it. But their main gripe with Astor is that he was going to continue to fund Tesla and he was going to specifically build these UFOs, these electrogravitic craft for public use. So, they killed these three guys, three eggs in one basket. And they also conducted a mass human sacrifice so that they would all have their hands in the same blood and all be bound in secrecy to one another. And, you know, this is where the suppression of UFO technology begins. Anyway, okay, now we kind of went down a rabbit hole and a diversion. The question that I was trying to answer was, you know, where are these Nordics from, and or when are they from? And so, in Closer Encounters, the narrative that I'm trying to build as parsimoniously as possible is that look, this stuff didn't have to come from Mars, okay? We had a level of technoscientific development at the turn of the 19th into the 20th century where this was a natural engineering breakthrough that should have taken place. And in fact, it did take place, but secretly. And it just so happens that the same people who did this were all ardent eugenicists.
>> I laid this out in detail in Closer Encounters. These people were possessed by the idea of creating a Nordic master race, and they had judges, and they had leaders of educational, all these years.
>> These are like the Georgia Guidestone type people, basically. The Georgia Guide
>> A much better ver, a much more sophisticated version of them. And so, you know, they had judges, they had leaders of academic institutions, they had even some presidents of the United States, like Teddy Roosevelt, who were all in favor of aggressive eugenics for the purpose of creating a Nordic master race. And, you know, the Nazis copied all their eugenics programs from the United States. All of them. They were behind. They said, "We have to catch up with America," and they modeled all their eugenics laws on the ones in American states beginning in the late 1800s. So, the most parsimonious explanation is that some group of Nordics in modern history developed time travel and started tinkering with the timeline of human history and human evolution. Now, that boggles the mind because then you have to start thinking about revisions of the timeline. So, the people who would have made that breakthrough in the history that we're familiar with would have been people from a Christian culture. But if Christianity itself was seeded, as I argue already in Prometheus and Atlas, and again in Closer Encounters, by these time travelers, right? Then how is it that the people who develop time travel are already living in a Christian culture? Right. And one of the best, uh
>> It's recursion. It's like a recursive loop.
>> Yes. And, and one of the best series that kind of goes into the subject is this German TV series Dark. It's a real
>> German TV series Dark. Now, I don't agree entirely with the ontology that's implicit in that series, but it's good to try to wrap your mind around, like, this [ __ ] that can take place on a hyperdimensional level. And I think another line of empirical evidence in favor of that is the Mandela Effect, which Philip K. Dick took very seriously, you know, especially toward the end of his literary career. He admitted that he had based a number of his most successful novels on what he believed were residual memories of overwritten timelines. In other words,
>> End of the High Castle. Yep.
>> And The Man in the High Castle, Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said, and VALIS. I think there might have been one other one. In any case,
>> Alice is like the supercomputer.
>> Yes. And so he described, yeah.
>> Yes. And so he, he basically thought that we're living in an informational matrix that can be revised and reprogrammed. And I think that, you know, the Mandela Effect refers to the fact that there are people who have alternate memories about how, how and when Nelson Mandela died. That he actually got sick and died in prison before the end of apartheid in South Africa, and that his wife went on to lead the movement. And a bunch of like people, including people, some, one woman who was intending, she intended to interview Mandela, and so she went to South Africa with the intention of having this interview with Mandela, and then was told he was sick, and she remembers him dying. And of course, this woman was a journalist who was closely following the story the whole time, right? You'd think she would remember that accurately. And there's a whole set of these type Mandela Effect type memories. I mean, there's people who remember that the Shah of Iran tested nuclear weapons successfully in 1975, and Iran joined the club of nuclear nations under the Shah in 1975. Now, I find that one very interesting, and I made a lot out of it in my novel Cyclotron because few people know that, and this is where your background and having studied Iran's nuclear program is relevant, and, you know, if you want to, you know, add anything to this, by all means, jump in. Few people know that Richard Nixon had agreed to the Shah independently developing nuclear weapons. He came to the Shah with a proposal to position US nuclear weapons in Iran, like we had in Turkey, and the Shah said no, but we'll develop our own, and obviously we're aligned with you, and we'll point them at the Soviet Union. And Nixon agreed to this. Now, this was in 1973. Lo and behold, Nixon gets set up in the Watergate scandal, and by the CIA, ultimately, and he gets removed from office. And the same CIA, by the way, does a psychological profile of the Shah where they say, "This guy is an unreliable megalomaniac, and he's going to try to conquer the whole Persian Gulf region. He wants to rebuild the Persian Empire, and we cannot count on him as a long-term ally." And the CIA started funding all these left-wing Islamist Marxist guerrilla groups to ultimately facilitate the overthrow of the Shah regime and the creation of this cursed Islamic Republic. In any case, one of the effects of Nixon being removed from office is that it stalled the Shah's nuclear program because under Ford, he got mixed messages from the American establishment about whether this would be tolerated. And then by the time he restarted the program, which he did, and I have this on good authority, round about 1977, in two years, the revolution was already being staged. And I'll tell you another thing that very few people know about this, and I got this corroborated from someone who worked at a high level in Mossad who was specifically tasked with liaising with South Africa. He was an Israeli intelligence liaison with
>> Which had a nuclear program in the, like, 80s.
>> Exactly.
>> No, no. Um, even earlier, in the 70s.
>> And it's relevant that it's in the 70s because get this. Everyone will deny. No one wants to admit this, but this is what happened.
>> There was by night, the late '70s, when the Shah decided to resume his nuclear weapons program. There was a secret joint nuclear weapons development program between Iran, South Africa, and the state of Israel. And Israel was going to help both South Africa and Iran develop nuclear weapons. And the eventual Israeli nuclear weapons test that took place off the coast of South Africa, where there were two detonations, it's called the Vela incident. One of those weapons was South African, and one of them was Israeli, because the Israelis obviously couldn't, didn't have anywhere else to test.
>> Right? And it had to be done under cover of, it's just the South Africans testing too. Right?
>> Now, when did that incident occur? The double flash, 1979, during the Iranian Revolution. Iran was supposed to be the third member of the Vela test, and the Shah, it was his nuclear program was completely derailed by the revolution and by his own exile from Iran and by the disarray the Iranian military found itself in by the fall of 1978. So, that's an interesting. Now, okay, we came at this from the Mandela Effect. So, what, why am I getting into all this? I'm saying that if you look at the logic of Iranian history, modern Iranian history, and the Iranian nuclear weapons program, and by the way, UAPs seem to gather around anything nuclear, nuclear power plants, nuclear weapons development, you know, like it is a magnet for them, okay? Like a moth to a flame. And in fact, it is so well-established that if you are working for, and I don't even know if they do this, but they should, if you take these drone flaps that happened recently, if you just follow where these drones are showing up, what that tells somebody like me is that, oh, they're moving nuclear weapons. We had just moved a bunch of nuclear gravity bombs to Lake Heath, right? And I would say we probably did the exact same thing to Denmark recently, right? Because nobody's talking about that, but I guarantee we probably
>> Closer and closer. Closer and closer.
>> Yeah. Which is insane, by the way, but that's neither here nor there.
>> Yeah. So, so, well, but let me comment on something else about that. How insane that is in relation to what we were just talking about regarding Iran. Obviously, as somebody who, you know, by paternal descent is Iranian, and who worked in the Iranian opposition for decades, particularly in the leadership of it for a few years, I absolutely detest this Islamic Republic, okay? And, you know, I wound up not being able to visit Iran again on account of my activism, you know, and so I absolutely abhor this regime. I find it utterly abhorrent. That having been said, I can kind of understand what the CIA was thinking when it decided to, number one, if the reason for removing Nixon was this, or this was one of the reasons for setting Nixon up in Watergate and removing him, namely that the Shah not turn Iran into a nuclear power by the mid-1970s. If this was one of the reasons why they did that and why they eventually facilitated the Islamic Revolution in Iran, I can kind of understand the logic because here's the thing, and this goes back to UAPs. Iran was swarmed with UFOs in the late 1970s. The Shah had repeated military encounters with UFOs, not just that one 1976 Tehran incident that everybody
>> I was going to ask about the F-14 pilot and, you know, everybody talks about that. No, there were like three others too. And it got so bad that the Shah was on the phone with President Ford saying to him, like, "What? What are we supposed to do about these things?" And Ford was like, "Well, whatever you do, don't shoot at them. Stop shooting at them." Anyway, and he held high-level meetings on this. The Shah was fascinated and disturbed by the subject of UFOs. And they, anyway, point being, they were swarmed because they were developing nuclear weapons, nuclear energy, but also nuclear weapons. And I can kind of understand the thinking of the CIA because you see Muhammad Reza was like, I don't know, 19, 20 years old. Like, he was a very young guy when his father was forcibly removed by the Allied powers in World War II for supposedly leaning a little bit too much in Hitler's direction, officially.
>> This is the Kermit, this is the Kermit Roosevelt plot.
>> Well, you're thinking, I think of the coup in 195.
>> 1953. 51 to 53, Mossad came in, and then 53, there was a coup to get rid of Mosad. But that was after the young Muhammad Reza Pahlavi had already ruled for a number of years.
>> And the thing about the young Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, the late Shah, when he was a young man, is that he had to watch his father be forcibly removed from the country, exiled, Reza Shah the First. And he had to see the Russians come down and occupy northern Iran. Now, in 1945, at the end of the war, most Allied forces left Iran when he assumed the throne, but the Russians held on to Azerbaijan and Kurdistan, and they wanted to turn it into Soviet Socialist Republics, not this part of Azerbaijan that they took in the 1800s. That was already bad enough. They took half of Azerbaijan in the 1800s, Iranian Caucasus, but they wanted to take the rest of Azerbaijan and also amalgamate it to the Soviet SSR of Azerbaijan, and take Kurdistan and basically stoke secession there and make that part of the Soviet sphere too. And the Shah went up there and like stood on a tank and like commanded his forces and used certain nationalist militias that were in that area to get the Russians to leave. Okay. Now, when he was doing interviews in the 1970s, as he was developing nuclear weapons, in exchanges with certain foreign journalists, he said, and he said this more than once, and I wish he hadn't said it, if the Russians think that they can ever come back, okay? Because here's the context. The foreign correspondents would ask him, "Sir, why are you building all these tanks? Like, you have more tanks than Britain at this point. Why do you need all these tanks?" And he said, "Britain doesn't have a thousand-mile long border with the Soviet Union. We're the front line." And this is the important part. If the Russians think they can ever come down here again and occupy us, they have to understand that they will find only ruins. They will find only ruins. What does that mean? It means that this guy who was traumatized in his youth having to deal with this Russian occupation, annexation of Iranian territory, was going to not only develop nukes, his policy was going to be that if the Russians invade Iran, he's going to nuke Moscow and St. Petersburg, to which the result will be his country will be reduced to rubble, but he doesn't care. Liberty or death. Now, if you're the CIA and you're looking at that, and that guy's a principal ally of the United States, and his nuclear strike on the Russians is going to be considered an attack on the Soviet Union by the United States. Well, you do have a problem. Frankly, I, I, I can see that. I see the logic in it. Yeah, they're even at the DIA, they would have had some biographer or I don't know what, that I forget what they called them, but they're assigned specific. They would have done a personality profile on him, and they would be like, "Oh, hell no. Hell no." So, so they gave him this thing that looks like a fast-acting cancer, and then they gave him doctors that were deliberately administering the wrong kind of treatment to him, and physically degenerated him and incapacitated him mentally in very short order, and then funded all these guerrilla Marxist Islamist guerrillas to create this disaster that we saw. In any case, how long do you think they've had the cancer gun, or whatever it's called?
>> Well, I don't know. No, I mean, I think I do believe they used it on the Shah, and they've been using it since. I think they used it to kill Dr. Carla Turner. I think they used it to kill Peter Jennings after he did this like, you know, massive documentary series on UFOs in the 1990s, which was supposed to be the spearhead for disclosure under Clinton. And he had done all of these interviews with whistleblowers that were well-positioned. And it was supposed to be like this long, you know, week-long, like multi-installment series on prime time TV. And the thing was cut to like one ridiculous 90-minute show with most of the important testimony removed from it. And then, lo and behold, he gets cancer and dies like within a year. And so I think they used it on that poor guy too. I don't know how long they've had it, but I'm pretty sure they do have this thing. And I think they used it to take out the
>> Yeah, Kurt Weldon. Representative Kurt Weldon publicly disclosed it on Tucker Carlson's show. So, and he, I mean, same thing happened to him. He started asking questions about 9/11 because he was a volunteer fireman, and, you know, he was on the, I think he was on the House Armed Services Committee, or was about to get on the House Armed Services Committee, and suddenly like, his competitor on the Democratic side suddenly got this big rush of money and funds, and his daughter's house was raided by the FBI for no reason. You know, just the usual. The usual.
>> Yeah. Let me go to one other dark and interesting related place coming right from out of this discussion of the Mandela.
>> This is Through a Glass Darkly, so it's appreciated. Go as dark as you'd like.
>> Yes. So, we were talking about Dick and the Mandela Effect, and how Phil K. Dick claimed that, you know, some of his
>> Who wrote A Scanner Darkly, by the way, but we'll just keep going. Right.
>> That's right. And although my favorite reference to Through a Glass Darkly is one from one of Ingmar Bergman's films.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's a film. It's a separate.
>> One from the '60s. You know that that, oh, man, that film. It's a trilogy in the '60s, Ingmar Bergman. And it involves the imagery of the spider in a way that's, it's a key to a lot of esoteric things if, if you know, you know how to unlock them. But, okay. In any case,
>> Yeah. So, Dick claimed some of these novels were written based on like Mandela, you know, effect residual memories of alternate versions of history in his lifetime. And I focused on Iran in, you know, in the past hour, many minutes, because, you know, you have to get into the weeds of some of these things to see how actually it makes a lot of sense that the timeline revised. You see, because that's a major thing. If Nixon let the Shah develop nukes, and then we wound up, remember the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1978. Do you think the Soviet Union gave a [ __ ] about Afghanistan? Do you think the Soviet, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was all about Iran? They were positioning themselves to lengthen their border with Iran and come at Iran from three directions. From the Caucasus, from the Central Asian, from the Caucasus, from across Turkmenistan, and from across Afghanistan. And so, and then ultimately, they wanted the oil resources of the Persian Gulf, which would have kept the Soviet economy going to compete against capitalism, etc. So, if you're the Shah and you're standing in the middle there, and you have a nuclear arsenal, it's pointed at the Russians, you're going to start World War II over that. You're going to start World War II, and that's something to revise the timeline over. Okay. So, that's why you have to look at some of these cases. If there are people who have these altered memories about the Shah testing nukes in 1975, it kind of makes sense why the timeline would have been reset. A darker one is the one that is relevant to Philip K. Dick writing The Man in the High Castle.
>> Mhm.
>> Namely, a world where the Nazis and the Japanese won the Second World War. A history where the Nazis and Japanese won the Second World War. Now, okay, very long story short. I suspect that if the Reich had won the Second World War, they would have been overthrown within two generations of that time. You have to look at the ferociousness with which the Soviets fought them. How many millions and millions of people, Russians and Ukrainians and Ossetians, sacrificed to defeat these Nazis. So, there you have a bunch, and then there were all these communist partisans in Europe. Remember, the Nazis came to power in the first place in Germany because they were kind of trying to confront a threat from German communists.
>> So, there were very powerful communist contingents in Germany and in Italy, communist brigades, very militant in Italy, all across Europe.
>> That's why they had to do Operation Gladio at the end of World War II. That's it. The US military had to collaborate with former Nazis to against the communists in Italy. Yeah. So, so there's this vast communist network. So, they're going to come at the Reich from the east to try to destabilize it and in an insurgency. And then do you really think Americans like, like
Know, Americans have more guns privately in their homes and more ammo than the entire United States military? So if our military wasn't able to defeat a Nazi occupation of America, Americans would have defeated it eventually, cuz Americans don't like to be told what to do by a bunch of jack-booted people. Okay? Right? And so it would eventually have been defeated.
So here's what I think, and I'm I'm sorry this is dark as [ __ ] but here's what I think. If you were Nazis who, let's say, could see that timeline where you win the war, you know, like literally, but then you also are overthrown in a massive revolution from two directions by communist partisans in the east and by American patriots in the west, and then you're completely decimated. I mean, your ideology becomes anathema for all of history. Wouldn't you come up with another better way to engineer your thousand-year Reich? Wouldn't you then invest in a social engineering project to prepare the conditions for your thousand-year Reich for maybe a century or so? I mean, if you're aiming to create a thousand-year imperium, you know, investing in about a century of social engineering is not, you know, a huge, you know, it's not a huge sacrifice to make.
So I suggest that what happened from 1944, when I think there's good evidence the Nazis got nukes, slightly just before us. What happened in 1944 was that high-level SS leadership made a decision to nominally forfeit the war, but to build an intercontinental transnational underground network, a kind of global criminal syndicate using extremely advanced breakaway technology and completely facilitated and backed and to some extent housed by the United States deep state, by the American deep state, to slowly engage in a social engineering program involving all kinds of psychological warfare.
What the CIA, you know, the CIA was co-constituted by the Galen organization, an Eastern European Nazi spy network, and that it was merged into the OSS, and that basically is what turned the OSS into the CIA. It wasn't just Paperclip. We merged their freaking SS intelligence network into our state. Okay. On top of bringing all their scientists.
So what the CIA did in the 1960s, weaponizing psychedelics, creating a a fake, excessively destructive, chaotic counterculture, infiltrating academia with all kinds of corrosive, deconstructive ideas. They were acting at the behest of Nazi, or let's say more appropriately, fascist controllers whose aim was to dissolve the classically liberal establishment of America in the acid of cultural relativism and identity politics for the purpose of ultimately engineering a reactionary rise of white identity politics and an American form of fascism, if not socialism, that would be the spearhead of this thousand-year Reich, and that would be ultimately implemented using these breakaway technologies that they've secreted away for so long.
So, long story short, I think that's what's going on. And I think that that's another reason, by the way, I was targeted in the defamation operation because I knew this from the beginning and I was going to expose it. And I think the people who ultimately did this to me, I don't think they got approval from, I don't know, whoever, you know, prime minister of what, whoever handles, you know, civil intelligence directives in Britain. No, no. MI6 is the foreign intelligence service. Yeah. Yeah. MI6 is penetrated. Ian Fleming was an MI6 operative who wrote the Bond novels based on his own experience in MI6 of having helped evacuate Martin Bormann to Argentina, and Martin Bormann takes over the Reich from Hitler. Hitler was moved to Argentina in 1945. He lived there until the 1960s and died of Parkinson's-related symptoms. But as far if you ask me, Hitler had zero operational responsibility from 1945 onward. The whole thing was taken over by Martin Bormann. Otto Skorzeny and Ian Fleming from MI6 relocated Bormann there. And when Rudolf Hess flew illegally, you know, in 1941 into Britain, he was there supposedly to meet with like 30 members of the House of Lords that like he had a who would be sympathetic to Hitler and form an not just a détente, an alliance with the Reich. So there was clearly a fascist contingent in Britain, which, you know, Oswald Mosley was only like this super, he was the tip of the iceberg. It was only the most visible part of it. And so MI6 is as penetrated as the CIA. And I think that the people ultimately, this is the most sick irony ever, the people ultimately who orchestrated this defamation of me are literal Nazis inside of MI6 and with their buddies in the CIA. And so, and they wanted to do this to me because I was going to expose these this Nazi cabal that is basically running the Anglosphere deep state and that's secreting away these breakaway technologies and their plan to socially engineer the right-wing reaction that we're seeing taking place right now. I mean, for [ __ ] sake, you know, I got defamed for predicting that Hitler would be re-evaluated. It's happening much sooner than I predicted. It's happening in real time. It's pretty scary. Palestine, free Palestine movement to basically revalorize Adolf Hitler. It's happening sooner than I predicted. If anything, I was too conservative.
Have you had a lengthy discussion at all in the past with Peter Lavenda? No, I've read some of Lavenda's work. You definitely, you definitely should. He spent some time in South America like inter like interfacing with these people. Yeah, he went to Colonia Dignidad in Chile, right? Yeah. All right. Well, I think now's about a good time to end it as any. We definitely need to bring you back on. And I have a few stories I I can I want to tell you offline. It would be my absolute pleasure, my friend. It was an absolute pleasure. Always fascinating, even though it's the first time on this show. Very fascinating, and there'll be many more. I pretty much. Thank you, Sean. I look forward to it. Look forward to continuing the conversation. All right. Thank you.
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