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MicroStrategy’s Nasdaq Debut: Price Surge or Sell-Off?

Conquer Trading & Investing1:16:51

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OMC as we get ready to do what we do

best and that is take a look at the

markets and do our best to stay on the

right side of the most important trade

that matters oh so many good memes over

the days I was thinking earlier today by

the way this is Jordan with conquer

trading and investing if you're new here

welcome and if you're not welcome back

ctm I was thinking one day I got a text

message from a broker and the text

message was Bitcoin is doing Bitcoin

things I was like how amazing they had

no idea that that we coined that Meme

and then there it becomes famous when

other when Brokers start using it as a

marketing tool absolutely beautiful

stuff there were some people asking in

the comments yesterday if we would take

a look at things like from I'll call it

from the old guard for back from the

from a couple past cycles xrp and

Litecoin so we're gonna we're going to

incorporate that into today's session

which means that as I get into it and I

start getting really focused and we're

covering right now Bitcoin

markets micro

strategy if I get a little controversial

if I get caught up into the work that

we're doing someone make sure please

remind me I want to make sure that we

look at both Litecoin xrp

and share some thoughts on those as best

we

can I'm so happy to be here with you all

today but tomorrow we are we are

traveling to be with and get with family

for the holidays we'll have no uh

session tomorrow and Friday Friday as

well the next time we'll be together

will be on Monday that will be December

the 23rd and we'll make sure that we uh

we have our session together in the

meantime and I hope things don't often

go you have to be flexible things don't

always go as you plan my goal tomorrow

why flying is to go ahead and take our

dashboard with all of our strategy and

scripts for both stocks and and crypto

and then reorganize it clean it up as

well as include the version numbers for

each script for example this would be

lab it's right here might be confusing

if someone didn't build this with us

right and let's say B buy and sell

Bitcoin that's BTC ctm that's ctm 2.0

I'll make sure it's known and then as

you go down further over here on on buy

side only on bitcoin this is BTC 101 uh

obviously you would not know that until

you click on it right but it's a little

bit easier it'll be easier to find if I

go ahead and label all these and this

one over here this says BTC on the buy

and sell side that would be versions BTC

108 and 107 and then over here I'll also

include the performance video so that

everyone has an idea to go ahead and

dial in on where they want to be uh

attacking from and then the stocks right

we have now ctm 2.0 and across the we

don't trade ctm 2.0 on stocks right from

January 2023 we're all using ctmx for

stock so I'll go ahead and I I I don't

want to well I'll just make a copy well

we have them all saved I want to make it

easy accessible but I need to clean it

up so that's what I'm GNA do and that is

my

goal boom boom boom Justin thanks for go

ahead and smashing the like button

before we even get started I really

appreciate that every once in a while I

start seeing like the thumbs up flying

and I'm like what and it gets me just

really geared up and we get to go ahead

and get into it

um I'm going to just go ahead vinette

and favored that comment as we get into

it be able to to bring that back up take

a look at it and then we'll go uh the

10year o i i i mean well you can't be

concerned we could talk about being on

the right side and at the right time and

and so first of all like this is when we

were like ah time to sell bonds and this

is on the 10y year and this is like ah

time time to close out the trade like

nice grab we're like I bet Stanley is

still holding I bet Stanley D Miller's

still holding we were looking for and

talking about in past in past Cycles

when the FED had began cutting and and

bonds reacted as such they were two

previous Cycles both of those Cycles

wound up go you know right around this

point I remember the date how many days

after they each had a pullback and then

they took out their high now one of them

had a deeper pullback and it barely took

out the high the other one had a shorter

pullback and it made in you know a much

more aggressive high this pullback so

far it hasn't taken the high yet has

been pretty pretty uh shallow uh so it

looks to me that there's a strong chance

that it's going to be taking out the

high now this is where we said H exit

enter you look at that break even like

and this was just exit this was get

neutral get yourself protected this was

get back into the trade if we see a

breakdown of this line here that would

mean that this last entry selling bond

is exited now I don't I can't predict

the future and I don't know what

happens and and that's where most macro

people just simply get it wrong they're

really really really great at afterwards

explaining to you and articulating why

everything happened but in real time

they're very very very poor at being at

the right on the right side at the right

time I don't I that's all I could say is

being on the right side and we continue

to be on the right side right this was

one of the best over here this was short

bonds neutral long short Bonds in and

out flip floing back and forth and then

riding it exiting here and then shortly

after we had the Double Black Diamond

breakdown and not we we we then were

able to not not take the trade more or

less right we just watched what happened

until here and this was the exit but

then we stayed neutral this whole time

we stayed neutral up until this point

now you can say well there was plenty of

opportunity here there was plenty of

opportunity here okay you can't you

can't nail everything and when things

are not like very clear

it's best to stay neutral it's best to

stay neutral and just wait into things

and Clarity uh Jim Rogers used to talk

about I just wait until I see money on

the other side of the room and then I go

pick it up and and that's for me that's

that's that waiting portion and waiting

until right here the Stars aligned

there's a nice easy was I guess there's

nothing easy about it but a nice grab

so

um this chart this is my chart this is

my chicken scratch that I used during

the live streams these all of our our

strategies are available all of our

strategies the charts that actually have

you know

um when we buy when we sell yada yada

yada all right let me keep going let me

get into it I didn't even get started

yet and before we get started

before before we get into it I'm just

looking here at this beautiful chart of

Bitcoin because Bitcoin is beautiful

Bitcoin is beautiful and I I remember or

I pulled up this template which I hadn't

seen or looked at in the longest time

and when I say longest time I mean like

re before we started doing our work so

this is at some

point in 20

22 and it's pretty cool to see yeah this

is like forward testing and it's pretty

cool to see the breakout the retest and

then the resumption up on the breakout

of the bull market to get this this line

over here all I did was clone this line

and just bring it over here it's the

same exact angle and by the way this led

to ultimately this led to the work that

we're doing talk about chicken scratch

that I'm so excited about that chart I

can't show it to you right now so you've

seen this chart over here and you've

seen my my version of of having the

lines on it and we put it all together

but more importantly this line over here

Drew my attention again I hadn't looked

in this in a couple years now and the

reason that this line Drew my attention

was because there was one thing of

calling the bull market breakout at the

right time back here on a live stream

ctm public live stream back in the SU of

2020 on the break of this trend line

there was a good thing about getting

making the bullish case for Bitcoin in

this pocket over here getting people

really just onboarded onto Orange coin

and helping them understand the bullish

case for Bitcoin at the right time and

over here from a discretionary

standpoint I have a tweet over here

saying there's blood in but I wanted to

be able to from a more I don't want to

say mechanical from a a more planned way

to be able to get the bottom of this

cycle because this is

good but this is

best and I think that in you know in

seeing this line here this morning and

then remembering and seeing the work

that we did in real time go to the

YouTube channel and go to December 2022

call the bull market

breakout and it's

17,250 why sentiment was extremely

negative FTX blowing up we were able to

get as early as possible on the right

side I I love checking back and and

seeing that over here today we're

looking at Bitcoin trading at

$14,000 I have this range over here this

this this draw down on bitcoin it's the

largest draw down of Bitcoin thus far

this cycle roughly 33% we've had other

draw Downs here it is over here at 33%

32% prior to that draw down we've had a

couple of 22% draw downs we had one two

three four five well this should be one

two we didn't make an all-time high so

or or a new high so it's a hard one but

we had we had a few 22 20% draw downs

and then we put in the high the highest

or largest draw down today thus far in

this cycle and that was nothing special

that was just a lot of consolidation and

that consolidation has obviously led to

this neg leg up and it looks good and

then if you look at that

chart that looks like upward

accumulation is is taking place to me

we'll get more into that in one second

but Point here is draw Downs are

expected thus far

the degree of draw down in the bare

Market was was sore less volatility as

well so far in the bull market run has

seen a little seen less volatility you

could just compare the past Cycles over

here and you could say well you know

there was a lot of volatility in this

cycle some big draw Downs in the

previous cycle and ultimately they had

the same draw down

85% so I'm looking

at this chart over oh they're not

showing bare markets we're showing

correction during the bull market phases

okay so during the bull market phases

it's very clearly notable that the

downside draw down was much greater in

the last cycle than it was going back

two cycles we had things like the

midcycle dip which s over a 50%

correction and we had the the the global

lockdowns which obviously saw a large

correction had those things not happened

we still had some pretty deep

Corrections coming off of that that run

over here to June 2019 Bitcoin

correcting 50% and that was because we

saw some problems in the in the in the

in the financial system that's and and

this point where my arrow is right now

where my curser is actually where the

FED had to stop QT and then they began

organic they called it balance sheet

expansion the balance sheet started

going the other way risk started

responding equities melted up until we

had glob Global lockdowns over here and

in comparing this cycle to this other

shallower cycle say there's a lot of

similarities in the price action as well

look at this this nice parallel it's not

parallel but call it parallel with me

look at that nice parallel like you

could see that we're coming up here thus

far there's a lot of similarities except

the one difference is the draw Downs

have been and shallower there were

multiple 30% and 35% draw Downs in this

cycle this time so far we're looking at

20% and 130% so we are seeing diminished

uh draw downs and and I I imagine that

we're not going to see such such a Arc

to the upside now a lot of people think

different and everything's on the table

Samson now believes that we're going up

to to 500,000 overnight he does or or

even a million but let's say 500

500,000 and that as soon as state

adoption begins that it's going to put a

quick and sharp bid into Bitcoin that

could happen

absolutely we don't know there is a

chance if something like that happened

and you're trading in and out of Bitcoin

that you're not in that trade at that

time now if it's a reeling lasting mood

will'll be able to get in and take a

piece out of it obviously bullmark

Bitcoin Bill Market runs will be there

these things could happen the are these

risks

Craig uh the mid mid midcycle dip put a

lot of fear and fud out there but there

is no question I I remember the video in

the summer of

2021 saying that Bitcoin was trading

30,000 by October we're going to make a

new all-time high we nailed that I think

that was lucky in retrospect

that's that's beautiful Noah I I love to

know what a influence we've had on on so

many people out there in effect and I I

got to hear a little bit of Insider

Insight yesterday and and now you

sharing that I I love it that's

beautiful thank you for sharing that

with me I I really value that a lot

because ultimately we're here to help as

many people as possible live better

lives and Bitcoin and and draw Downs

normal and that consolidation looks

awesome and it looks like right now that

we have that that cylinder um

consolidation going on and it reminds me

of of this on a lesser time

frame so let me jump down look at this

this is the bubble of the do bubble and

pop and look at this upward cylinder

that was taking place you could see it

over here during ing uh

1999 and it was just upward accumulation

and then it led to that boom that

exuberant pop look at this one though

this seems to be at a sharper angle more

along the lines of what we're in here

from 2023 bottom up until now 2024 end

and that is that just nice channel of

accumulation just so you could see it

and and you know what I'm talking about

let me just come over here and pick

right there so you can see it here that

looks very very similar very similar and

very very healthy it does remind me of

what you saw down here as well look at

that very very very good and very

healthy had a nice big leg up out of

that we haven't experienced that yet

right and then so let me just show you

let me just add a couple of lines over

here and then we'll get into micro

strategy next next but hey you know we

got to go with the flow and we got to

take the last so this is the first one

I'm going to draw two channels right so

this is one channel but this channel

kind of broke right here and then we

started a steeper Ascent so you can see

like this Channel and that that seems to

be I'll remove the first one now the

first one is just make them different

color there so this seems to be the

channel and and the slope that we're

into

now and this is where we started right

you see them together and what would

happen is so I talked about you know the

potential yesterday I think for my

expectations on the NASDAQ if we were to

see something like right I said it's

potential here it looks to me I know

people are talking about recession I I

don't think Bitcoin will act well in a

recession unless there is actually real

nation state bidding going on then we

talked about that clearly in yesterday's

session if you didn't watch it we don't

have a session tomorrow go ahead and

watch yesterday's stream there's

actually a bunch of videos click on the

live Tab and there's a bunch of videos

over the last few weeks with just

immense immense discussions taking place

highly highly recommend it all it's is

it possible by the end of

2025 we reach NASDAQ

30,000 now we also talked about in the

past S&P 500 three times since 1928 has

put up back-to-back years of 20% gains

this is the fourth time right now 2023

2025 we looked at what potentially could

happen afterwards and the truth is

nobody knows all is we could do is

continue to stay on the right side even

if we see something regardless of what

we

see so if let's assume that Bitcoin uh

NASDAQ here uh we see like a Resurgence

here of the semis we start seeing uh

throughout next year markets uh doing

continuing the momentum they have and

even maybe NASDAQ being able to towards

the end of next year print

$30,000 now if that happens I'm going to

look around and I get it I know people

are looking for a recession right now it

could happen we at any point in time

things begin to change it's why we show

up every day and put the work in we're

going to try to stay in front of it and

navigate it it doesn't look like that

we're headed in that direction but it

could change and and things could the

macro could change rapidly the macro

could change rapidly I remember saying

that to you all if you go back into July

of

2020 I'm get I'm getting confused here I

think it was July of

2022 it was and this is where uh we had

that hot inflation print or was it the

summer of July 2021 I don't I'm not

exactly sure uh but we had the 9.1

inflation print and people people were

going bonkers on inflation and then we

looked at things together we looked at

prices of energy we looked at prices of

of Commodities and we looked at prices

of food and I and I said this is the

turn this is the turn and it was the

turn and you couldn't we couldn't have

done it any more ACC now people were not

able to in that moment embrace it and

not until October November when not did

it Peak but then it began rolling over

and the dis inflation momentum really

picked up but in real time we were right

there and able to get it and I hope that

that continues we have a really strong

history of that and and a lot of people

just they check in every day because

they know that if something were to

occur that usually we have a really good

track record of being there um if we are

able to see a continuation and then

which I look I have Big Dreams here I

would love to see by the I would love to

see and I think it's pop possible this

is a big big ask here a big ask to see a

continuation of this bull move not only

into next year but maybe even beyond

that into

2026 I believe it has the possibility to

happen again we will pivot when needed

to Pivot uh you saw us looking recently

if there's any warning signs on the

NASDAQ we still have that to consider

and watch uh let me jump back over here

and ultimately

we're talking about this channel we're

in I hope we don't break out sharply to

the

upside like

this like I hope that we don't break the

current Trend we're

in because why we're going to see likely

higher prices uh quicker if we do I

don't know if the extent of the move

will will last as long let me give you a

little taste of what I'm talking about

and then let me just come back over here

here and um let's look at

this and I this is just for me saying

look ideally in a dream it could happen

I would love for it to happen I don't

know it's going to happen but I'm just

for illustration purposes just simply

taking this period over here and I'm

doing a a bar pattern copy of it and I'm

extending it out right and I and I think

that there's no question that some of us

could could really visualize even in to

the end of uh or the end of the first

quarter

2025 Bitcoin trading above

$150,000 I I think that you know we're

consolidating here make a leg up that

would be beautiful but I'm just showing

you what that might look like into the

end of

2025 and yeah I think that a lot of

people uh could look at Bitcoin 220,000

and be like by the end of next year I I

could see that happening I could see

that and and all of that if this is

happening within this same channel would

be super bullish for me from my

perspective and this is also by the way

what it should look like as we enter the

ultimate Market opportunity when I talk

there's still draw Downs plenty of them

look there there we've we just had a 30%

draw down we've had multiple 20% draw

Downs would not be surpris that should

continue and then if we were able to see

into the end of

2026 a similar current now that's

dependent on a lot of factors one of

them is actually nation states joining

the bid I I believe this is all the

premise of this is all on continued

adoption in the s-curve it's how

s-curves work and this is the way that I

I really I would give the highest

probability to something like unfolding

now let's first get past you know this

next year that we're entering let's

watch for technical

breakdowns and let's continue to to go

ahead and monitor the situation I'll

say now right now we're seeing

a well we're not seeing a draw down on

bitcoin at all right Bitcoin is looking

super healthy Bitcoin here uh off of the

line that I I thought thought was and it

could change today's the fomc meeting uh

we could see depending on what happens a

reaction from the market I didn't think

when we were in October that we'd break

this red line over here I was that that

was my highest end basically Target for

December and I think earlier than than I

anticipated we've broken above it not by

much I was saying the end of December

this is December 16th not a big deal

right pretty good from far away and

looks super healthy continues to look

healthy um we're

consolidating again as long as we're

above this line I'm highlighting all of

this consolidation is super super

healthy if we were to break that

nothing's change at that point then we

would expect lower prices and maybe a

little longer to recover nothing has

changed

whatsoever um and Bitcoin here uh coming

off right like o 4% 5% my strategy

actually came off a little bit and you

could see that micro strategy has come

off with what is a normal draw down for

micro strategy and you can see coming

off 38% and why Bitcoin has had multiple

20% draw downs and a 30% draw down

during that 30% draw down over here

Microsoft pulled back 50% seems very

reasonable that the draw down is greater

on micro strategy than Bitcoin as it is

a Leverage play on bitcoin and then we

had obviously those 20% draw downs and

Microsoft pulling off 36% during them

over here we had another 22% draw down

and Microsoft pulled off 38% again so it

is it is weird uh this Friday is the

listing for micro strategy into the

NASDAQ 100 now a lot of people I know

are have a lot of money in micro

strategy that a lot of people that I

know have a lot of money in micro

strategy so we're just going to talk

about micro strategy here and without

any emotion we're just taking a look at

at the market everyone understands the

the bullish case from micro strategy

there's some people out there who have

concerns that like doesn't feel right I

wonder if something's going to happen

and I don't know that any of us would be

able to be ahead of it when it did a lot

of people think that even if it does

unwind that probably not happening for a

long time and if we see something like

for sure something like ah US starts

taking a Bitcoin position Japan follows

Brazil's on board Russia joins the

fry and then we're hearing more and more

countries talking about it EU Germany

Germany's part of the EU but maybe they

won't be in the F who know so you you

you get the point though is that then

like maybe this goes on for a lot longer

than people expect maybe Michael Sor MIT

graduate is the greatest Financial

engineer in the world and maybe is it is

it the infinite money glitch you know

who knows I don't know and you don't

know and if you have money invested it

then this is just really important to to

look at and talk about so is it weird

that micro strategy just came off 38% as

Bitcoin came off a few percent maybe

maybe not I I really don't know at other

times Bitcoin has kind of peaked first

like over here Bitcoin Peaks here and

then micro strategy makes a higher high

and at other times it's different where

uh micro strategy Peaks first and then

Bitcoin Peaks days after so I I have no

idea honestly um I'm going to bring up

something that I I just want to bring to

your attention and and some people might

not like like it and look again there's

no motion involved here we're just

trying try to protect ourselves at all

points likely again the thought is the

thought from those that really Embrace

micro strategy either that he's found

the infinite money glitch and by the way

it's spreading and this is I think has a

lot to do with with uh saor and by the

way you saw another

$493 million of inflows into Bitcoin

yesterday just from the ETFs alone this

is big money that continues to bid above

a 100,000 B Bitcoin you see over here

that now there are 20 public companies

huddling over 1,000 Bitcoin and we

continue to see a lot of these companies

using the Sor Playbook whether it's

metap Planet whether it's Marathon Riot

and they are raising money in the public

markets to buy Bitcoin with and I think

that Michael has had that effect on

people and here we go right there should

be at

generally what happens when a company's

included in the S&P 500 there's the S&P

500 effect I know we're talking here

about the NASDAQ 100 but same premise

likely applies that there is a lot of

buying that buying usually causes price

then to to go up and then shortly after

whether it's days or weeks it usually

then reverts back to where it is it's

just called the S&P phenomenon and it

makes sense as a lot of is and and funds

are rebalanced to include the new

inclusion uh and this new money that's

coming into micro strategy I I believe

the the idea is that it's going to be

used then to raise more money and buy

more Bitcoin that's likely what happens

I know a lot of people right now who uh

are seeing you know that's not a small

number to see price come off

38% and as it came off 38% most most

people I know that that are invested are

simply like listen it's okay I'll ride

it out whatever it happens I believe

bitcoin's going higher and I believe

micro strategy is going higher and you

know what like the volatility is part of

the game and for some people it might be

their first rodeo is so much as like

their first draw down but a lot of

people that have been invested in micro

strategy have already been through 50%

draw down right so now they're like

Bitcoin is a little bit of battle tested

like if you've been through two three

Cycles in Bitcoin like literally you're

never happy about a large draw down but

you do become really really

detached um and that likely plays effect

at what happens here

into uh micro strategy uh and a lot of

people do believe that like regardless

of what happens it's okay it's going to

come back this is concerning this is

like uh a a warning this is like if you

are emotionally

unstable stop the stream here I'm not

trying to ruin anyone's day I'm not

trying to be an alarmist and I'm just

talking about things that are happening

in the world and related to what we do

really it's no big deal like and if it's

a big deal to you then just okay skip

this one it's all good and I saw this

tweet today and it stood out to me I

wanted to share it with you and the

reason why it's it's from Mark I I can't

pronounce his last name Cotes I remember

I originally saw him with his farm in in

in Northern California and all his

chickens uh and uh on a real Vision

interview in 200 and in 21 and he's a

famous famous short seller a famous

short seller and um he's got a long and

a good track record and I remember mark

I remember Mark ahead of the FTX blowout

calling it ahead and this is the first

tweet I found where he mentioned Sam by

name and it's July the summer of

2022 and then from then until the

blowout there are more and more and a

lot of Mark saying this is not right

this is fraud and other people were

not right and we always talk about wait

people have a track record of getting it

right consult them as a point of view

you don't have to not everyone has a

perfect track

record and this is in October before the

blow up lots of lots coming in that fake

s uh FTX let's see what happens next

dude set up a chat Raul with me and Sam

it would be great um and sure enough he

was on the right side of that and so

when he said like whoa what's what's

going on here why is he calling Michael

a fraudster and I get like look I'm I'm

with you I know I know the respect that

bitcoiners have for Michael so we're

we're just talking about things we're

not emotional about it all right

and so and we're GNA that so he says

he's a fraudster and well what's he

talking about and I mean

obviously some people might be of you

know like in 2000 sailor was charged by

the SEC with forly reporting M

strategies Financial results for two

years they reached the settlement you

could see they had to pay uh Wall Street

Journal 11 million dollar uh to the SEC

and yeah I mean that happened but but

guess what people make mistakes and then

people amend their lives so like that's

for sure and maybe a mistake was I don't

know the particulars of what happened

and and you know either which way I

think that's why he's calling him a

fraud St

and I don't believe always a frauder I

believe he could definitely definitely

change his ways in this audio here

Michael is saying that uh this this this

guy Sid is saying he's re misr misre

representing the nature of the debt risk

to micro strategy because remember he

like let's listen to his own words it's

it's important and this is just so we

have our own knowledge right that we're

not trying to say that Michael is bad

we're not saying Michael's a fraud we're

not saying Michael's a hero we're not

saying he's found the infinite money

glitch we're just looking at a

developing story so that anyone and I

know a lot of people who have a lot of

money invested in micro strategy are

able then to continue to navigate their

position that's all zero zero fud zero

zero uh like we're not trying to Hype

anything people think it's people think

it's debt it's convertible debt it's

unsecured no recourse no rec means Ron

is so it's it's unsecured debt he's

saying there's no recourse this is a

interview I it sounds like Crypt banter

maybe someone else could help me I'm not

sure but this is a recent interview and

he's saying specific people think it's

people think it's debt it's convertible

debt it's unsecured no recourse no

recourse it's convertible debt you know

and that that's not true this is coming

from uh you know form 10 Q micro

strategy uh SEC and if you go to line

five it says the date of holder put

option represents the respective dates

upon which holders of the 2028

convertiable notes uh

2031

2032 each have a non-contingent right to

require the company to repurchase for

cash all or any portion of their

respective notes at a repurchase price

equal to 100% of the principal

amount and if you go forward over here

and you look you see look um the bonds

are redeemable for cash or the stated

number of shares but in his example in

Michael's example he's saying let's

finish listening to Michael and then

we'll come back and then we'll finish

the rest but let's hear what Michael

says what that means Ron is that is that

Bitcoin could go from $100,000 to

$11,000 the debts not getting called

there there is no recourse Bitcoin can

go to $1 you see Bitcoin can literally

go to one penny the debt doesn't have

there's no call feature and so it's so

now now first he said there's no first

he said that it's not debt and there's

no recourse and now he saying there's no

call

feature maybe he

doesn't uh maybe he doesn't understand I

or or maybe he's like the a lot of

people think that he has like will be

known for future Generations as the most

Advanced Financial AR architect that

ever was either one of those things

could be true I I have I have no idea

what happens either one of those things

could be true I suppose it's like

basically someone loans you billions of

dollars and you agree that in five years

you will either pay them back and cash

or in stock but you know what what

happened is if Bitcoin crashed by 75%

the stock would trade down we would just

pay off the debt with stock so the risk

isn't in the debt so much as it's in the

equity well so this is a little better

now he's saying like listen worst case

scenario likely we just have to pay in

stock or we have to pay but you have to

pay he he's saying there's no recourse

there's there's actual real Rec course

so maybe just maybe he wasn't clear I

think in the I think in the coming days

or weeks he'll probably clarify this and

then we could just all move on but until

it's clarified I think that it's

probably important to be you know just

talking about it uh so but he it's not

just stock because that footnote that we

just looked at over here footnote 5 it

does say cash right foot no5 and and it

says for cash company to repurchase for

cash all or any portion so again it's

not just stock it could be cash and he

says um somehow he's saying the exact

opposite which I agree that it feels

like a material

misrepresentation points the foot and 05

and says you're right for all the recent

issuances as we looked at the ones that

are due from

2028 through

2032 so listen that's it and that's all

there's no opinion here uh we're just

pointing out facts in case anyone who

was not paying attention that has a lot

of money invested in micro strategy

because I know a lot of people that have

a lot of money invested in micro

strategy and I think most people think

and I certainly hope so that what

happens next is that Bitcoin continues

to go higher maybe even nation states

begin to start taking POS positions

putting in a flaw and don't forget why

things are going up they're like there's

a saying that like you find out who's

not wearing shorts When the tide goes

out but while the tide is rising a lot

more you get away with a lot more which

is why some people think Hey listen each

and every raise puts micro strategy in a

weaker position but likely there's a

long time before this unwinds badly for

them and and that's probably the case

and I imagine that's the case but we

just don't know and we're just having a

healthy

conversation most people think that what

happens next is that uh we see an inflow

into micro strategy share price and then

that giving the ability for saor to

continue to raise new money and will

continue banging out the bid on bitcoin

that's the base case I think for most

and then the second base case is that

even if micro strategy trades off

further and for longer they're just

going to ride the rodeo just going to

ride the

rodeo I got merry by the way thank you

so much on Thursday I hopefully I have

the presence about me to really just um

as we're together wish you all uh and

your families and everyone that you uh

touch in your life really really really

full Every Blessing Every

Blessing um

well it doesn't matter so they don't

have to wait for

expiry uh that basically he said there's

no call and that that could be C that on

the new issuances it could be called at

any time so I I mean look I I don't

think it I don't it's a misre

misrepresentation of what it is it

doesn't mean that that was done

willfully he might just be confused

about the products offering and selling

or the or or some or someone else is

confused who knows like I I I don't have

the answer and that's it we're just

taking a look at

it uh just to clarify over here so we're

on the same page and go back to footnote

5 and it

says bum bum

um I don't it doesn't say where Michelle

your eyes on this as well uh notes have

a non-contingent right to require the

company to repurchase for cash or any of

the portion of their respected notes at

a repurchase price equal to 100% of such

notes to be repurchased plus any accured

unpaid interest but excluding the

repurchase date I don't see here what

we're looking at where it says in the

table

umm looking at the dates convertible at

any time after the following

date okay so we have it says after the

following

date so that's before they mature they

are convertible not

redeemable to by the company prior to

the following date

so I'm not

sure the breakdown line for which for

micro

strategy o so let's get

exact I didn't mean to the date of

holder put

option so this is but this is before

right Michelle you you tell me

right so conver

2028 anytime after September

2027 this one is 2030 anytime after

September 2028 this one is 2031 anytime

after September

2028 so not

immediately but there is a window here

before the expiration where it becomes

uh where where it does actually

become um redeemable

I mean I guess one of my potential

worries is

that the more companies that begin to

actually raise money and purchase

Bitcoin does that dilute micro

strategies nav and therefore the the the

the the stock price it I think so I

don't know

these are just potential risks that

we're talking I want to take a look at

this really quick right now and Ace

wanted to take a look at the breakdown

line and it seems that we're well above

it right

now I'm so sorry we got an emergency

just give me give me 15 seconds

and we're back so we we wanted to look

at what it was for a potential breakdown

and so this would be

definitely and we're holding support

right now a sign of a breakdown uh I

don't know the structure here I don't

know if this is structure I should say

and I'm just kind of going off the lows

over here so you have this low this low

pierced here but we had the lower

support and pierced here so this one

would be like a early warning sign this

would be the this would be a a cell

impulse if this was to happen that would

suggest that likely we're to see a

further pullback now as soon as you have

that trigger what you do is look for

then the repair which would be this and

we would we would have this line up over

here once that were to happen and we

would say okay now we're looking for a

repair which means that you could have

something very like a breakdown and then

it's just a a liquidity grab and then

you shoot upwards that could easily

happen or you could have a breakdown and

it could be some time before you take

out that that repair so I think that's a

good place to be looking Ace uh good

awareness and it's just coiling here

getting ready to break out either which

way and maybe that's dependent on on

what happens with Bitcoin maybe it's

depending on what type of flows come

in um yeah there's a lot of speculation

out there it seems to me that lately

there's been a

this is just my my my view of someone

not following closely so take it for

what it's worth it seems that Michael

has been a little bit of like fooing and

maybe he believes that the US is about

to take a position in Bitcoin and he's

trying to get as much Bitcoin as

possible before that happens that makes

a lot of sense that that could be it um

it seems like that's happening uh or has

he seen the price of micro strategy go

up the price of Bitcoin go up as he went

from a position of being underwater

throughout

2022 uh and into the beginning of

2023 maybe he's feeling a little bit of

the you know there's a reason why you

know the the the meme stay humble in

stack acts and you know a lot a lot of

people are making the observation that

in recent interviews he seems very

red-faced and animated and

I don't know I I mean it seems to me if

if we do see a Bitcoin Reserve

announcement or position by the US a big

position out of an executive order that

that would likely uh be very bullish for

Bitcoin and micro

strategy all right so I hope that we

didn't ruffle any feathers that was not

trying to ruffle any feathers whatso and

we're just making notes here and and

we're just pointing to someone markk who

who legitimately has a history of

spotting things that are not right and

calling them out ahead of time we don't

know that Mark is right either I'm sure

he's gotten some calls wrong he has

gotten a lot right and that's

all that's

all

that's right I mean maybe but that's

this is his plan though his Michael said

a long time ago and it's true like I'm

always going to be buying the all-time

high and the local high that's that's

their plan he did say that I don't know

like he talked about how they make money

when the price is coming down and anyway

that's enough for for us today and I

think that's fun because I wanted to

talk about also a little bit of of the

all coins and take a look at what's

going on if you remember recently we did

uh an allcoin video and we were talking

about how uh the top 50 and how they

were performing versus Bitcoin in the

last 90 days and let's go ahead and just

revisit this since

October and you could see that most

everything here in the top 50 at this

particular point in time is

outperforming Bitcoin and then when you

get to the top 12 or 15 they're

outperforming Bitcoin by a large margin

H bar right that's is that going to be

the next

ETF I I've heard talk that there's a

strong chance that the next ETF spot ETF

will be har bar uh being a well I I

don't want to get into the who knows

what the SEC but maybe that's why it's

pumping right now not

sure

o thank you guys just trying to as we do

put a unique and different spin on all

of this trying to keep ourselves on the

right side I looked at also the alt

since

2021 at in January

20121 these were the top 50

alts uh and you could see and I think

this is

important since that time look at

Dogecoin how amazing that Dogecoin

continues to outperform bitcoin inanity

and we've talked about super super sound

money and how it's kind of irrelevant

when you factor in Dogecoin which has an

inflation rate of almost 4% 3.8% a year

um nevertheless maybe Dogecoin becomes

the next Bitcoin everyone this is why

alt started in the first place when alt

speculation first began people were

genuinely looking for what was going to

be the next Bitcoin today I don't think

people are trying to replace or even

think it's possible to replace Bitcoin

now there are a lot of altcoin projects

out there that are nothing but vapor and

there are a lot out there that are

looking to solve real world problems

with really Innovative technology and

anyone that has any place of a real

world use case obviously there's a place

for it in this digital age that we're in

maybe Dogecoin is the only it's the only

one I know of that potentially could

become or replace

Bitcoin you guys are going to blow your

minds but we're not getting into that or

or talk I I I heard a video I never

found it before I heard an interview

with Elon and Elon believes that when

his technology is Advanced enough which

it's not now but figure maybe like at

some point in the future star Link's

capacity is like lightning like

literally speed of sound downloads and

uploads and then and I'm just talking

figuratively here that's obviously not

going to happen but highly Advanced

compared to what it is now he believes

that he could build a better Bitcoin I

heard him say it and if he were to do

that just because the funniest outcome

is the most likely I bet you he would do

that on Doge that's that's my own

complete conjure and

speculation and who knows now obviously

you all know my feelings on bitcoin so

uh I could say that I could speak

freely it wasn't

a so Litecoin right so where is Litecoin

Litecoin was in the top 50 at that

particular juncture and it's nowhere to

be found hold on let me come back to

2021 let's try this

trying to get a point here where a lot

of these coins were outperforming

Bitcoin by a lot I'm looking for

Litecoin to pop up on our screen but

it's not and you say well that's because

Litecoin was so

200 and and 17 and I would say oh maybe

it's not in the top 50 so I found a

place over here where most of these

coins in the top 50 from

2021 are outperforming Bitcoin and

here's the

thing here's the

thing the top 50 that we look at today

when you fast forward three

years how many of them do you think are

going to be outperforming Bitcoin three

years from now so let me just zoom in

again take a look at

2021 till

today don't worry we're going to get

into xrp and we'll get into l

just setting the

stage so there there we

are as of 20121 from those top 50 there

are there are one two three four five

six seven eight nine nine coins that are

outperforming Bitcoin and doge is

obliterating it obliterating it uh as

well as

B&B xrp is above it look at that I mean

ethereum classic weird if you ask me

cardano weird but cardano and Bitcoin

are basically even from that point that

we're looking at they're they're

basically

even uh so you could say well that's not

bad eight out of the 50 are

outperforming and and two of them buy a

really strong margin right two like Doge

and B&B so what happens if you were to

take like for example of the top 50 alt

coins today

and you were to take a a position let's

say you were to take let's say you had

$50,000 and you put a $1,000 into each

one of them maybe three years from now

or four three four years from now maybe

one or two of them have had such a

return to make up for all the rest

regardless of what happens and then you

have a few outperforming and it and it

would you know think of it like a

venture capitalist how they invest in

startups and they expect that 90 3% of

these startups are going to fail and

that from the other 7% they'll be able

to make up that loss plus more now here

you have a bit of an advantage is that

you're actually focusing in on out of 10

20,000 all coins you're focused in on

the top 50 the top 50 by market cap so

that that's an advantage as far as you

know maybe which one is going to have

staying power but and then there's also

the thought out there we're were talking

about yesterday uh Charles the founder

of of cardano he believes over the next

12 to 18 months that the price of

Bitcoin is going to rise substantially

and that the the smart contracts on

bitcoin are going to eat all of defi I

mean that's his that's Charles Hopkins

that's what he said we looked at that

together I have the video when if anyone

wants to hear it at any time pulled up

over here um let's see if I get to the

right time stamp

the revelation of this and after

reviewing the technology realizing that

actually has a path to work

reinvigorated my love of the ecosystem

because Bitcoin went from a sleeping

giant never to awaken in a Innovation

coma to an awakened giant that is four

times the size of salana and ethereum

combined reality is that should these

floodgates open it is my belief that

defi in the Bitcoin ecosystem will

Eclipse defi in all ecosystems

in the cryptocurrency industry within 24

months okay so I got a couple of things

wrong that was pretty good though right

I just went to that video and I found

the exact spot that wasn't that wasn't

queued up over there that was pretty

good uh but he said should he didn't say

will he said it should and he didn't say

12 to 18 months he said 24 months so I'm

I'm I just want Clarity and I think we

all do that all the time is we hear

things and we and we're sure we got it

right but we don't and I think that

that's important to know so but very

bullish remarks I want to look from this

period over here of January 2024 and I

just wanted to just get a read on what

was happening there as well because we

just looked at who was outperforming

Bitcoin doge is still destroying Bitcoin

B&B is still destroying Bitcoin but

notice that only

okb is like like TRX and and Etc how is

ethereum classic doing so well I don't

know but they they have the same

return so

interesting so I think that's super

interesting all of that I hope you do

too let's move over and let's talk about

what's happening here with um xrp

Litecoin and obviously xrpa people say

well it's not really moving well it's

moving now it just had this massive

massive massive pump and so far so far

is is consolidating that pump pretty

well let's zoom out a little bit let's

get the bigger look over here I remember

xrp when it came out of nowhere and by

so many of my friends were invested in

this thing so many of my friends that

were not even prior into Bitcoin and

crypto like

like they for whatever reason they were

buying xrp and they were buying it

around 50 cents 30 30 to 50 cents and

then they saw it in I remember that

December just completely shoot up like

crazy none of them took profits up there

but that that's a bit that I thought

that was an an amazing move we just kind

of did close to that 400% up I guess

from the all from the high there to that

Peak

and look at that and then it was dead in

the water for a long time and if you

remember because I remember very clearly

uh in this area right over here in this

area right over here warning people that

listen

uh you know this is not going to be good

as the SEC uh begins their lawsuit and

then after the lawsuit I said if you're

if you're want to speculate this might

be a good time or it might be anyway

whenever that happened it might have

been over here uh but you all remember

who are here and a lot of you have been

here the whole time uh but now that's

all behind them and as Bitcoin here and

the bull the rising tide that lifts all

bullets is running all of a sudden xrp

is back in the

picture

um I've never been a fan of xrp it's one

of the few

assets that within ctm we're not able to

really find a solution for it's it's

very difficult and it's the nature of

these large Shar moves right I call it

it rips and then ripo the company

distributes into the rips you know is

that what happened up here or is this

normal price uh Behavior I don't know

um it's I I I know so many people who

continue to be really really bullish on

the future of xrp some people have

really high expectations other people uh

right now are riding a good trade they

held out uh and it's not only recovered

it seems to be going well look all I can

say is there are lots of options out

there for example right now you have

like a lot of those within ctm are are

focused in on basket if you look at

these right let me go to log you see the

the the nature left to the right left

and to the

right hopefully up and to the right

right but nice moves here like offers

plenty of opportunity that we're able

not like the nature of Ripple these are

moves that we're able to actually get

into and profit off of on both sides

obviously Bitcoin right up and to the

right

you have polygon a lot like the nature

of of of madic that we just looked at of

uh AVX that we just looked at and but

again tradable unlike Bitcoin cardano on

both sides gives us Ample Ample healthy

gains and then for fun even like

throwing in now some some mean coins but

things that are tradable that have a

high probability and of course that's

because the nature of the way that we

approach the markets from a mechanical

way offering us the opportunity speaking

of which though let me just check in

really quick and mention that like BTC

108 took profits as well as did ctm 2.0

both of them exiting that last trade out

of the market just a small gain a nice

gain 3% the average trade uh is 1.89 the

average winning trade though let's see

what the average on 108 is so average

winning trade is

6.9% so it wasn't

even I don't know when this is going

back to not too far see if that changes

from 2020 that's good it's like let's

look just from 2021 let's look at recent

price Behavior we'll see what the

average trades are so the average

winning trade is

6.5% this trade was a little under the

average winning trade that's

all jumping back and and when we talk

about things like

xrp it it has these long

consolidations and then sharp moves that

we're not able to get

in for us it's not something that we've

really yet been able to take advantage

of and um that's it I don't know what

the future holds for xrp I think that I

want to check with you together while

we're doing this

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So speaking of the

Tilt I just want to see the the the

total Supply Max Supply is 100

billion uh total Supply is is at the 100

billion oh no circulating Supply is only

57 billion so half of that supply and I

I don't know if this is correct but I

imagine it is how how much of of the

supply does the company Ripple own I I

imagine it's very very very large let's

find

out there it is the other we just said

that you know there it is the rest of

the supply uh that is a lot

and that's a lot that's my

concern I it's their business model to

sell xrp in the open market to fund

their company they own a lot of that

supply and that I just don't like the

Dynamics the tokenomics if you will and

I don't think it's favorable so it's not

something that I'm interested in if

you're interested in it and you're

holding it and you're holding this long

I'm so glad that it's come back towards

an all-time high and in this next ball

Market uh if Bitcoin continues to be the

rising tide it should lift all boats I

would just be weary about that what

about

Litecoin Litecoin also is is just one of

the few that really has not been

attractive and and the solutions that we

that we key off are so ridiculously

attractive that although I'm sure we

could come up with a strategy solution

you know just overlaying our our our

strategies on on Litecoin that could

produce returns that like without

perform the the best money

managers uh from 2020 to the present or

2017 to present and easily or from 2021

to present however it's just not

something that fits our I remember the

use case for Litecoin or the the the the

meme for Litecoin in the past

was um you know what it's it's silver to

gold I don't hear that anymore it's

obviously not uh there's a lot more

exciting things out there I then heard

that well it's the test net for Bitcoin

as as are all all coins like at least

from the the point of view of of a

bitcoiner is that look the all the

altcoins are out there and they're kind

of like experimenting and then

ultimately anything that's built on an

altcoin could be incorporated into

Bitcoin if we want to and whe whether

you agree with that or not the founder

of cardano was just saying that he was

literally just saying that Bitcoin was a

sleeping giant and now all of sing The

Innovation on the chain is waking up and

he think it's he thinks that there's a

good chance within the next two years it

eclipses all of defi so there's that

right and so I don't know really the the

use case for Litecoin it used to be for

for faster cheaper payments but now you

have like Tron for that so uh I don't

really know or

see the thing or the or the or the

bullish case for Litecoin

now maybe at one point or another uh a

privacy layer is introduced on Litecoin

and becomes a privacy coin that might

increase its use case I suppose I I

think the founder sold out completely I

forget though I don't know if that's

true or not uh but the founder of Doge

did as well as far as we know and that

hasn't affected

it um how what's the relationship

between Litecoin and

Doge

and the reason I ask is because if if 10

years from now Doge becomes the the you

know the next Bitcoin they're M

together I look I just look I hope that

you're if you're invested here uh a lot

of people that I know for the past four

years have had really high expectations

of Litecoin they have not come to

fruition if you look at a lot of like

the the the permeables on bitcoin uh a

lot of them have all really embraced

Litecoin and they all have had enormous

expectations not one of them has ever

come to fruition uh it looks here that

you can make the case that well are we

are we consolidating I guess do have a

warning line I can't I can't draw a

trend line like that that would work so

I don't see it I wonder

see there's a that's a pretty good trend

line and you can say well we Wick down

below here and I would say well that's

true but that's how I would do

it and it's not clean but it's true and

I I would say well we we've we made a

repair

here

and that repair is kind of still in play

we've never taken out the low this is

the trend line that I would look right

here

it should be like

this so if you know my chicken scratch

you know what I'm doing and why and

that's all and if you don't you're

learning that's all I could say

so this is this was this was bad

right this is uh a buy impulse that's in

effect it's still holding if we break

this line I would be very

concerned that's the best I could get on

on Litecoin uh from obviously zoomed out

here perspective I'm not trying to like

obviously if you were looking to get the

last impulse that occurred you'd be

looking at

like something like that and that right

there at 64 with the bot and it's very

easy uh but you all get the point want

to look at

fet oo artificial intelligence

Alliance look at this thing

since since the

2023 bull market breakout right and it's

hard here with this big wick over here

uh obviously hindsight but you all know

how these things work and you can see

this is stopped out right this is

stopped out horizontally but like this

is the way to do it so you're stopped

out right here when you're slapped out

right no big deal small loss dink D Dink

and then you're riding in here again

that's the breakout massive breakout

you've had really crazy moves nice

consolidation you know very easy to do

1.0 very good on alts that's a tough one

because the breakouts here and you can

see it rides all the way down never a

stop out though you like that would be

the stop loss this is late this is

always early I wonder if it's the same

angle no you could use a set angle there

is a set angle I don't know what it is

yet uh we don't have time for that one

day we will um refine that art uh and

then another sharp move and then another

beautiful consolidation

obviously and likely if you were

aggressive on

that I could see like someone taking

this entry getting stopped out taking

this entry it's the lowest risk reward

this seems like a lot of opportunity it

seems very very

tradable um it seems like a a really

good pair to be honed in on I don't know

what its market cap is

so it's number 40 it's in the top 50

it's looking at on

binance

24 uh hour volume 63 million which just

a little low it's not terrible um I

don't know if if people within ctm could

kind of be focused in that together uh

obviously clearly it looks like it's a

market cap that's growing you could see

over here is is this where you know

you're looking for the next breakdown to

occur like that's where You' be worried

if you're not into the position right

now it looks

aggressive but that would be a break and

again if you're stopped out on this if

this breaks to the upside you take this

if you're stopped out because it's an

aggressive angle I wouldn't be surprised

look at these angles are much more this

is an aggressive

one if you stopped out you again you're

you're managing your risk from a very

very very tight standpoint you're then

able to look for the next entry break

down over here then that would be

suggesting a a bigger correction is in

store

um all right we'll leave it at

that

everyone have a beautiful day I won't

see you tomorrow I won't see you on

Friday I won't see you to Monday I'm

gonna miss you I'm gonna miss you a lot

but I try I'm G to try to get that work

done on the dashboard and then we'll be

back at it Monday together enjoyed this

extended session today we'll continue at

it everyone have a beautiful beautiful

beautiful day God bless you and I'll see

you all soon