SNEAKO X Professor Jiang X Dave Smith | Unity Amidst Chaos - Full Panel Discussion

How are you? Uh, good to hear from you. That was a great call yesterday.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it was a lot of fun.

Perfect. Um, I'm going to send the link to Dave Smith right now.

Sure.

I don't know if you saw I just got attacked on the street.

Yeah, I uh I I did. Um, and how are you, man?

No, I'm great. It's fine. Uh, no issues there. Trying to say that like I got knocked out. That's not true. Trying to say my tooth got knocked out. It's chipped and it was a it was a filling from an attack from several years ago. So,

wow.

Yeah, people are trying to click bait it and stuff. That's that's not true. That made this just happened two hours ago. So, I'm okay. Um, just glad that we're able to do this call today. I appreciate your time.

No, I mean I was actually thinking of going to United States sometime in the fall and uh my wife is against it just because she feels that the um temperature in United States is like really high right now. I mean like the same could happen to me when I'm walking the streets, right? I'm in New York City walking around and someone's like, you know, I recognize you. You're the [ __ ] We start this war and then suddenly, you know, uh I'm being attacked.

It's so funny. I saw you say that on the Jack Neil podcast. War for like I don't know if I should go to the States. I might get punched in the face.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, no. My my my wife is really worried. Another issue is like they might not they might let me in. You know, I I might be at the border and I'm on a watch list and they you know, you can't come in. So, um yeah, I mean I

Yeah, I've been invited on quite a few podcasts. Um, and I would like to go because um I I want to do the podcast circuit, but um right now the situation is so tense and it doesn't seem as though the temperature will uh you know go lower. I mean it just seems that the situation is just becoming more and more tense

as time goes by.

Absolutely. And yeah, there's a lot of people that are very pro-war or against your political beliefs or my political beliefs. I'm of the belief that that attack was a setup. He mased me right after I got pepper-sprayed and he had it ready to go. Yeah, he he pulled that out of his front pocket. So,

yeah,

I don't think anybody like a random homeless guy or some crazy person would do that. Especially if you see it. I wasn't,

you know, saying anything to him. I was just reading my chat. So, I 100% think that. Yeah. I mean, look, anybody who's against your rhetoric and say that they want to shut you out, this is their method. They're not going to try to debate. And this is why these panels are good. It shows unity. And even if we have disagreements, I think you have a lot of disagreements with Dugan. And I think you have a lot of disagreements potentially with Dave Smith. It's important to have conversations like this and show that we could be civil and speak.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I do have a lot of disagreements with Dugan, but it's very interesting to hear his perspective. Um, and and I think it's really important to try to have honest conversations with as many people as possible, especially of different different political beliefs.

Absolutely. And he just got the Zoom call. He liked the messages. Wonder if he's joining. Want to make sure.

Yeah. So, with Dugan, it was uh it was pretty late for you. You seemed you were a little I looked it up. It was around 10:30 or 11 o'clock when we finished.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. um I was a bit tired but you know like one question I would have had for him is um how does he reconcile the fact that for the longest time Rome was considered the antichrist right

so um early Christians saw Rome as the beast system as the antichrist and so now Moscow wants to be the third Rome how would you go about reconcile that um difference because for a lot of Protestants and possibly even for Catholics, the idea of an ascended Orthodox system um they would find extremely morally uh repulsive. So how would he go about reconciling the differences between the Orthodox and the Catholic traditions? That I think is doable. But then the um differences between the Protestants and the Orthodox is something that um is actually a lot harder to reconcile.

Oh, there he is.

Hey, what's up guys? Can you hear us? Everything good? You sound loud and clear.

Okay, cool. Just making sure. Hey, hey, man. I'm glad you're okay.

Yeah, everything's fine. Everything's good. Thanks for asking earlier. Uh Dave Smith did text me, but this conversation is extremely important. I'm glad you guys made the time to come on here.

It seems like

you guys, we don't have to do it. Uh, it's over. Trump just said we won, so this is Let's get out of here.

dude. He's only I think I think the eighth time you declare victory and it's over, that means it's officially over. So, we're good, guys.

Well, what did he say this time? Because he's declared victory time and time again over the last several weeks.

Well, it's not uh So, he recorded an interview with uh Maria Bartramo from uh Fox News and uh I think it's supposed to air I believe at 6 a.m. tomorrow, but then she gave like the she announced that he has declared the war is over, which is just it's the most Trumpian thing ever. Yeah. I guess if you just say it then it's real.

Mhm. So, was this a true social post? What I saw from yesterday, Trump was saying that he was not actually portraying himself as Jesus. The he was it was being a Red Cross doctor. Did you see this?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's an honest mistake, of course.

So, I'm not sure how much you two know about each other. I think this is going to be an interesting conversation. Well, I think the major similarities and what's most important is that you're both anti-Iran war. Correct. Yeah, we're both Andy War. Yeah.

Okay.

I mean, like like No, I I've been following Dave for a long time and I'm a huge fan of his and I I am mostly aligned with his libertarian beliefs.

Oh, well that's I I appreciate that and that's good to know. I know I saw your uh um I've seen I saw your interview on Breaking Points and then I've seen a couple other things that were just going viral of your your predicting the war and stuff like that and uh yeah, that prediction certainly came true. A lot of them came true with Trump winning the Iran war happening, the deselination plants, but uh yeah, Dave, you texted me earlier because I think you were, you know, you did well in those Piers Morgan debates. The first one was pretty funny, the memo. The second debate was an actual debate.

Oh jeez.

So I think the purpose of these conversations is maybe having more dialogue rather than the screaming matches you see on Piers Morgan. Do you have any Well, maybe let's just see what are the major points of contention that you two have seen from each other's rhetoric.

Oh, I don't know that the professor would have to to, you know, say I'm not sure if there are points of contention. But, by the way, I will just say even on those Pierce Morgan debates, um, I always go in to just like, yo, let's talk about these issues. I that's what I really care about and I'd like to have a conversation and persuade people. And my general rule is always like if people are respectful, that's who I am. I'm like naturally kind of a polite, pleasant person. Um, but then I guess I'm also very ready to be vicious at the drop of a dime if someone else is vicious to me. So, even on Pierce Morgan, I've had some really good ones. The last two just happen to be kind of goofy and, you know, went off the rails. But maybe the professor could say what if anything he thinks maybe I'm getting wrong or I'm missing or something like that.

There's nothing,

right? So, yeah. No, no. I I think one point of contention that we could discuss is I think there's a lot of belief that this war is personality driven or it's interest driven, meaning, you know, it's either Trump um being an imperialist or being crazy or it's Israel um and Nanyahu controlling things behind the scenes. And the argument I would make is that it's much more structural um that if you study history, macro history, we have seen this pattern before. Whereas empire declines, it starts these imperous wars overseas that do not benefit itself in the long term. Um but um it's driven by hubris. It's driven by structural forces as well. So I think that's one area of contention that that that we can discuss.

That's interesting. I mean I c there certainly is a lot of truth to that and there's even when you study like um like in the fall of the Roman Empire when they were just like uh diluting their gold coins there's like almost like a onetoone metaphor for like money printing you know what I mean even if okay we're doing ours on computers and stuff and certainly the dynamics of like

um you know uh crushing debt expanded military cultural decay like there there's a lot for sure I guess I would just say I don't think those things are necessarily in conflict. Like I think there are all of those structural issues and then there are also the personalities involved and there are also the financial incentives. And so I'm certainly not opposed to like I think I think that's kind of that's true basically that we are in this kind of like collapsing empire mode that has happened before in human history. Also, look, I mean, the Israel lobby's essentially their sole purpose for the last 25 years has been to get this war. I mean, a few others along the way, but they've been pushing for this one forever. And this of all the wars, it's almost like the most open and shut slam dunk. Like, I mean, if you were prosecuting a trial for murder, we'd have more than enough to put every LUD member, you know, in jail for the rest of their lives. And so, you know, that does tend to be my focus. And maybe that is a little bit more narrow than looking at the broader kind of um cyclical, you know, history rhyming patterns.

Right.

Right.

Well, Dave, don't you hate America? I saw Ben Shapiro just responded to the conversation I had with Professor Jen and Alexander Dugan yesterday and he said he's exposing Sneo. There's the title and I haven't got the chance to watch the video yet, but the narrative is that I hate America, which I saw he said about you. You know, you you publicly said that you'll debate him. I'll debate Ben Shapiro as well. Do you not hate America by opposing the Israeli lobby, Dave?

Oh, it's all so ridiculous, man. It's like the whole all of my opposition to all of these foreign conflicts is out of a love for America and particularly out of a love for America, the America that I grew up in um in the 1980s and '9s, which is, you know, is a much different country and I believe a much better country than the one we live in today. And not that this is the entire reason for that, but a huge part of it of what degraded this country was the global war on terrorism. It totally bankrupted us. Um, not just financially, but I believe like spiritually. I think there's a real spiritual aspect to these things. And you know, even like let's say from the p the uh perspective of say like a real traditional conservative, let's say you're an American conservative. When did you lose the culture? This was in the 1960s when we were fighting the war in Vietnam. For for specific reasons like you you start doing these your government starts doing these type of evil things. It affects like the the even the ability of conservatives to to have a voice in the room to say like, "Hey, no, we want to keep Americanism." And this whole tradition like when that whole tradition is what? Like slaughtering babies. It just like it it leads to this moral decay in a country. Obviously, it banks the it bankrupts the country financially. And um no, it's just ridiculous. Like if I didn't if I hated America, I would support all of these wars. If I really hated America and really wanted to destroy it, I would be the biggest cheerleader of Benjamin Netanyahu. So again, these are these are like infantile childish arguments. And they it's the same ones that the Warhawks always throw out. Oh, if you don't support this, you hate America. And then it's we started this, so now we got to finish it. It's all this, you know, it's I always thought neoconservatives were uh fundamentally unserious people.

Well, Professor Jen, what would you respond to that criticism if they're going to say that you're a pro-Chinese, anti-American commentator, you hate this country? Especially, I think people start to believe that when Dave says something like the American empire is collapsing. But accurately looking at the state of finances, for example, we are $39 trillion in debt. Trump in his rhetoric, he's alienating everybody. He's attacking the Pope. This seems like it's repeating patterns within history where empires have fallen. So, how do we talk about this without being anti-America?

Right. So, I'm currently I'm primarily interested in um game theory and the capacity of game theory to make predictions about the future. Right? So, I'm I'm interested in having a discussion about what drives human events and why do we do what we do? And if we have a serious discussion about this, I think this gives us a better understanding of who we are and it allows us to better control our future and develop a future that is more fit, more healthy for for our children. So that's my primary purpose and I make predictions as a way to validate my um understanding of how the world works, these theoretical models. So that's why I'm interested in having this these discussions primarily as a way for myself to doubt and debate my own models and to explore different possibilities. So I don't find myself I don't see myself as having a political leaning. Uh, I'm probably libertarian if I were to classify my myself. Um, but I can see the perspective of like different sides. I'm completely sympathetic to the viewpoint of people like Ben Shapiro and Mark Lavine even though um um some some people would find their views abhorrent. So for example um one argument that they would make in private that they could not make that they cannot make in public is an empire in its nature is an evil thing but an empire brings tremendous status tremendous prosperity to the people within the emperia. Um, and so the question is, are Americans happy with Russia or China being a top dog in the world? Meaning that Russia and China can control the United Nations, control um, terms of trade, control the WTO, and basically set the agenda for humanity. And so for Russia, that could mean a much more orthodox perspective. For for China, that can mean a much more communist perspective. And so the question is, would Americans be okay with either China or Russia being the empire and basically America retreating back into its continental fortress?

Mhm. What are your predictions, Dave? Obviously, Professor Jang's channel is all about using game theory. It's called predictive history. I think one thing that you're definitely vindicated about was Venezuela. So this happened in January and we got a lot of push back and we did some collabs speaking about how the Venezuela regime change and that whole invasion was just about getting a well my point of view was they were just trying to get oil so that they could supplement the loss of oil that would happen if they attacked Iran and they would close the trade of moves. I think you also agreed that that was part of the plan and we've been vindicated about that and people are saying that you hate America even back then. What could we predict going forward because you got a prediction like this correct?

Well, I mean, it's look I mean that is not my specialty is is you know working out models to predict the future. That is above my pay grade and it is tough. It's a it's a tough um you know there's a lot there's just so many variables when it comes to human affairs and it's hard to account for all of them. I I would say like with a with a high likelihood right now it it seems to me that Donald Trump right now is kind of desperate for a gimmick to get out of this. It seems like he he it it seems to be the case somehow, even though this is fairly hard to believe, that the Israelis convinced him, like according to the New York that New York Times piece, it was that Benjamin Netanyahu and the MSAD convinced him that this was this would this would tank the regime and that they could they could get a regime change with like an easy first strike decapitation or at least claim they got one as they did in Venezuela. Um and and obviously none of that is true, but I would say at this point, right, if you just kind of like look at the stated uh goals of the war. So it would be what? Like destroying Iran's nuclear capabilities even though they already claimed that they obliterated them 7 months ago. It would be now 0% enriched uranium. recovering the enriched uranium, uh, you know, destroying their intercontinental ballistic missiles, destroying their support for Hezbollah, destroying their ability to shoot protesters or whatever, the the 100,000 that they shot in a day or whatever. Um, and now we have a whole new war aim that we didn't have at the beginning of the war, which is getting the Straight of Hormuse opened. The prospect of any of those things happening seems pretty slim. The perhaps the strait of Harmmoose you could work out a deal where like if you quit right now the Iranians would go all right we'll take that opportunity. We flexed let us try to recover a little bit. Obviously they have taken a lot of damage and and they're have dealing with those issues but that it was the only one that seems plausible and that was the status quo before the war. So there's no way, you know, so essentially what you're looking at here is just an unquestionable loss. Like however you you want to phrase it, I think it's the best case scenario is that somehow Donald Trump can get out of this and it's just clearly a loss. In which case, I think he's destroyed his presidency, handed the country back over to the Democrats and we're all right back at square one of essentially having to oppose the insane progressives. And then of course the worst case scenario is that he's not able to get out of this. And that there is a I would I'm not going to make a prediction one way or the other. I think both of them have there's a a strong chance of either of those outcomes, especially when you got the Israelis in there who are going to continue to do everything they can to keep the Americans in as long as they can tolerate what they're getting back from Iran.

Seems like that his his only support base now are hardcore Zionists. He's alienated everybody else. He's alienated Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Mega Kelly, Alex Jones, now Catholics. He's attacked the Pope, saying that the Pope is uh weak on crime. So, because there's a a very strong negative sentiment with the current administration because he is alienating so many people, there's a lack of leadership and a lot of people, if they look at what's happening and seeing how ridiculous the parameters of this war are, how can we move forward the correct way without more acts of borderline civil war, which we saw in Minnesota with the ICE attacks. How do we keep the temperature in this country correct to elect the right people and get the sentiment here and prevent massive protests like Vietnam and

get people to distrust this country. I want to start with Professor Jen as a over there from China. How do you think we can fix this?

Right. So again, I look at macro history and um the reality is that America is addicted to the petro dollar. It's addicted to money printing. It's addicted to the world consuming uh US treasuries, buying up US treasuries, which allows Americans to basically finance their um pretty luxurious lifestyle. If you're an average American, you basically live better than a Roman emperor. I mean it it America is really in a privileged position and the question is are Americans willing to make the sacrifices necessary in order to uh ensure world peace. So um yesterday I had a um conversation with my wife and we did a thought experiment because um right now the baby boomer generation has the most power, the most wealth of any generation in America. So, it's ultimately up to them what what they want to do. Um, and I asked my wife, let's just say we talk to the baby boomers and say, "For the sake of world peace, for the sake of your children, for the sake of your grandchildren, for the sake of America, we need to charge you 50% taxes." Um, you know, and it's not ridiculous a 50% tax on baby boomers, but by taxing 50 pay paying 50% tax, this will ensure world peace. this will ensure American prosperity. This will ensure a brighter future for your children. And my wife played the role of baby baby boomers and she told me there's absolutely no way that I as baby boomer would agree to this deal because I've got another 10 20 years ahead of me and I want to ensure that my life is stable, that it's prosperous, and I worked really hard for um to have all this wealth in in my bank account. And so, um, that's a structural issue that I don't think can be resolved because baby boomers have all the power, they have all the wealth, they control the the the political app apparatus. There's one demographic that actually supports this war in Iran. Uh, there's only one demographic and it's the baby boomers. And this demographic is also the only demographic that that supported um Israel's actions in in Gaza. So, um, that's my concern right now.

Yeah. No, that that's a really good point and also I mean because to your point uh before sneaker when you're like who's possibly supporting you know Donald Trump except the Israel lobby at this point but that's the answer. It's the baby boomers like who's still watching Mark Levin show? Who's still watching Sean Hannity? It is your Fox News watching father-in-law. Okay well for sneak maybe grandfather and something like that. I don't know whatever I'm a little older. The point is like that's who it is. Now, also, you know, I made this comparison the other day, but I remember one time I was watching this uh this documentary about abortion, and they were interviewing an abortionist, like an abortion doctor, and this lady is like, she's like, "Listen, I've been performing abortions for 35 years." And let me tell you something, there is no moral issue with abortion. It's not a it's not a human being. It's a tiny little thing. And I remember thinking in a way, you're like, well, yeah, you better believe that cuz like the alternative to you believing that is that you believe that you are a baby serial murderer out of a nightmare. Like, yeah, you you're and in the similar way, the boomers are so invested in the idea that they earned it honestly that they did, you know, like even when it was just that the house they bought for $80,000 became worth $600,000 and they took out a home equity line of credit and then invested that in the stock market which happened to go up because they were inflating the currency. They still and they're so invested in that that the ab the psychological like incentive structure there for them to accept that this was all a big con and that we were all kind of like that we were in this privileged position. And you know the the tragic thing in to me in American history economically is that we really did transition from being the greatest experiment in lazy fair free market capitalism ever to being the b biggest experiment in big government central banking fiat currency insanity. And so the like the the Americans we were only in the position to be the second because we were the first. the the whole reason why we even got the reason why America won the first world war and the second world war. Well, aside from getting into it late and having a huge advantage in that sense that all these other powers were exhausted a bit by the time we got it, particularly World War I, totally exhausted. But but then it was because we had built up the biggest productive capacity in the history of the world and we were able to transition that into military productive capacity and so we just dominated. You know, you if you read about World War I and World War II, in many cases the Germans had like superior machinery, but we would churn out 2,000 pieces of ar, you know, before they could churn out five, you know, like they had the better subs. They had the better, but it didn't matter because this was America. We McDonald'sed our way into winning two world wars. Yes. And then because we were in that position, we got to call the shots on the entire global order. And so we became the global superpower hegeimon in a bipolar world. But even then, I mean, the losses that communist Russia had taken after World War II, they just simply were not in the same position that America was. All the only damage on our shores we suffered was Pearl Harbor. And that ain't even really on our shores. Russia had been destroyed, you know, and so lost, you know, t casualties in the tens of millions, you know. Um, and so then the new system became okay. Well, I mean, we had already at the be right at the beginning of World War I created the income tax, created the central bank. We had laid the groundwork for this this new order. And then essentially it became right like as you said, it it went from first the Bretton Woods agreement where okay, essentially we'll be the gold standard of the world, which tied every currency to our currency. Then we're going to bail on that and switch over to the pro status because we've been printing too much money to redeem anything in gold. And so now we have this system where essentially right we don't get our wealth the good old-fashioned honest way that we used to which is which did make us the wealthiest country in the world even at that time you know like it's still we still could have just continued to build on our productive capacity and had an honest economy and instead the way we get our wealth now is all like you could look at all the wealthiest counties in America they're all outside of Washington DC and New York City it's like either you're in finance and you're just trading speculating essentially just extracting wealth out of the real economy or you're in the suburbs of Washington DC because you you have some government contractor, you work for a weapons company or something like that, you know, an NGO, something attached to the government. And and if you do zoom out on this and let I'll wrap up here, but just just a disclaimer because I I don't want to be accused. Nothing I got nothing against talking to any Chinese person or Middle Eastern person or anything. I'm I'm an individualist. I don't But just to be clear, I'm a libertarian. I do not support any form of communism, whether it's the quasi fascistic form of the CCP or any other system. I believe I'm an American for Americanism and free market capitalism. But look, I mean, it's hard not to say someone could accuse me, I hate my country. Just call in balls and strikes here. Essentially, the deal between just say like America and China spanning decades now has been you make all of our stuff and we will buy it from you.

That's the working relationship. you do the production and we'll do the consumption. And oh, by the way, we're gonna need you to lend us some money to do the consumption because we're dead broke and we can't afford it. And it is the truth is just that it is a totally just unfair deal for the world on behalf of the on behalf of America. But I would add the caveat to that being that the boomers were the last generation that really benefited from that whole system. None of the none of the rest of the generations are benefiting from this. And so it's not just that like, oh, we have this unfair system, but it does help America. Actually, it's destroying America. It's helping the banking sector. It's helping the weapons manufacturers. And it helped the baby boomers. And I So, I agree with you. They're not going to change their minds, but the thing they are going to do is die. And that's coming up in the next few decades. I mean, that's already starting. Baby boomers are starting to go down. And so I'm just saying that is, you know, unless we got some real breakthroughs in medicine uh coming up here. So anyway, I would say that what what at least has happened is that if back to your analogy of like would you take this deal, the baby boomers would not, but the 50 and under crowd is radically aware of all of this stuff in a way that the American people have never been before. And so perhaps I'm hopeful that if we can make it till then we will be looking at a new political reality.

Okay. So that was a great um um you know um dialogue. So thanks so much Dave. So I I want to make two points. Okay. To to further our discussion. So let's talk about the China US relationship. So you say that um the US uh maybe the baby boomers benefited but the United States overall lost in its relationship with China. And I and I I I want to um explain the Chinese perspective because it is true that America did offshore its manufacturing capacity to China. That is true and that built the Chinese middle class. But what people don't discuss is that China offshored its elite selection in indoctrination to America. Okay. And this is very important. This is something Americans don't really discuss. meaning that China sent all its top students, all the like the the wealthiest, brightest students to America to be indoctrinated and in the Ivy League and universities and then they came back to control China. And so what this means is that um over these past few decades, China's civilization capacity, its intellectual capacity has been severely downgraded. So even though um China has become much more prosperous, you can make the argument that China has been intactly colonized by America. So the Chinese elite right now have this very neoliberal um very pro-American slant which I think is going to hinder China's development as civilization for the next few hundred years. Okay. So so so so I so I will put this caveat out there. Okay. like like it's not just China has benefited everything from this relationship. Um China has lost a lot as well. Um so so that's one point I will make. Second point second point that I will make is that once we um point out that it's a baby boomers could benefit a great deal from ch from American empire we can now make certain predictions about how baby boomers will behave before they die. Okay we all agree they will die in 20 years 30 years who knows but they but there will be drastic political changes before they die off. Right.

Yeah.

So if you look look at the like look at the periods of American history which which you discussed, right? So so maybe in the 60s and 70s it was a great society period where America was heavily invested in growing a family. You had Medicare, you had the pension system, social security all being developed at at this time. So the baby boomers grew up in a very idealic time when their mothers were at home taking care of them. Uh the schools were great. Uh you had great public universities. Okay. So they were they had to receive the best education. They had the best opportunities. And we're talking about like white middle-ass Americans, right? We're obviously not talking about minorities.

And and then in the 80s you had the Reagan revolution. The reg revolution was opportunity for people with talent with ability to make as much money as they wanted. Okay? So you had this massive um um growth in in wealth among among the baby boomers. And then in starting about the year in the 90s under Clinton, you had the unipolar moment when American power extended overseas and baby baby boomers could go and vacation anywhere in the world and feel privileged. It felt it felt as though um the entire world became colonized by America. And then you had this you had this breaking point in 2016 when Donald Trump came into power and um and then we saw America become much more authoritarian. Okay. So, so the example of course is CO and you you and I you and I both agree that the lockdowns were inappropriate. Um it's shattered the mental health of young young who need to socialize. It destroyed the um staring at a screen for eight eight hours a day. Um it destroyed the economy, right? If you were poor, you became even more poor. But it benefit the baby boomers because first of all um they they they they had assets in the stock market and the stock market boom at that time. Second of all, they were actually afraid of catching this this disease. So that's that's why they were in favor of lockdown. And then you had um the um two you you had October 7th happen and then you had these university protests happen rightfully because these young people were disgusted by what was happening in in Gaza and then you have this massive crackdown um in the in the universities. And so what this is telling us is that the baby boomers are politically active and they're able to warp the American political system in a way that matches their worldview that matches their political priorities. And so the argument I would make is yes, they will die off, but before they die off, they will make sure that America becomes a much more authoritarian nation before they die off so that they can live peacefully in the gated communities and they can continue to be parasites on the American republic before they die off, right? And that's a predication I would make and that's very worrying if that that is the case. But given the the past behavior, I mean, they are extremely selfish people who who believe that the world should revolve around them.

Yeah. Listen, I mean, I can't I can't really disagree with anything you said there. I thought that was all very interesting. No, particular about the point um with the Chinese uh students coming to our elite universities and going back. I really just had not really considered the effect that that has on China. And it is very interesting. I mean, look, there's there's, you know, I guess I would just add that for people, especially because I know, you know, a lot of your audience, Nico, is like younger. Um, and that's part of the reason why I like doing your show. Uh, but I I don't know if you you know, if you weren't there, you haven't extensively read about it. it it's hard to overstate how much American culture really had dominated the world um leading up to the unipolar moment um which of course the collapse of the Soviet Union and for anybody uh if you if you want to go uh watch uh Metallica played a concert in Moscow right after uh the the dissolusion of the Soviet Union and dude it's the craziest thing to watch. There's like I I mean there might be a million people in the crowd just losing their minds loving American heavy metal. Like it's just that they really did like there was this thing of like we love you for your blue jeans and your rock and roll music and people kind of wanted that. They wanted to aspire to this like oh look how wealthy this country seems to be and it was really after the unipolar moment and then after um oh did we lose uh professor there?

He's back. The CCP did not get him. They didn't like They didn't like that last part.

He's back.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I I got cut off. Sorry.

No, no problem. But so essentially, it was like all that goodwill got blown really in in the with George HW Bush and Bill Clinton and then of course with George W. Bush where it all just really fell apart. But you know, I I I mean to the selfishness of the baby boomers, it again there are exceptions to this. My mom's cool and I like uh you know there are some baby boomers who I I like very much but it it is really hard to overstate how selfish of a generation they were. Now, this is the generation that like literally their slogan was don't trust anyone over 30 until they turned 30. And then by by the time you get to CO, my friend Jeff Dice like did a whole thing on this, but by the time you get to CO, yeah, they supported the lockdowns because they were the ones at risk. Yeah. Shut down the kids school, which I just Yeah. I got to tell you, someone who has little kids, who hopes to have grandkids someday, I cannot fathom being in my 60s or my 70s and ever thinking like to prevent some risk to me, I would harm one hair on my grandchildren's head is just like it's it is profoundly and listen, they're the they're the generation that normalized no fault divorce and self-actualization and this idea that you could just like not take care of your kids or not stay with the woman you had children with for the rest of your life that you don't have an obligation to like God to do that. I mean, it's just it's it's I don't know. It's it's really shocking when you think about it. And so, look, I don't I don't disagree with you. Um, of course, another big factor in there is that baby boomers have been in charge, not just, you know, the the generation that supports these policies, but the actual politicians themselves for my entire life. Like, it's so bizarre, man. Like, dude, Snego, I was, you know, the 1990s were 30 years ago, right? And I was I was a teenager in the 1990s and we had these politicians like um Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and and like, okay, the Clintons are out of power, but she was trying to be president just within the last decade. Donald Trump was a figure. Joe Biden was a like all these guys, the Mitch McConnell's and Chuck Schumers, they were all the same guys. They were all in there when I was younger than you and I got a lot of gray in my beard now, you know, like I'm a grown man and the same people who were in charge when I was a teenager are still in charge. It's really it's fascinating. That being said, I do think maybe what I would just uh you're certainly right about the concentration of wealth that's in the baby boomers and perhaps my you know I guess if in the game of making predictions you want to really move remove emotion from the table and maybe this is just kind of wishful thinking on my part but I do think that there is the baby boomers on almost all of these positions are severely in the minority of the American people right now. It's not quite the dynamic that it was when they controlled so much more of a share of the population. And like even if you look at the issues that we're talking about where there's support for Israel, support for this war, support for Donald Trump, support for they're like it's them on the wrong side of like a 7030 issue. And so, you know, I guess we'll we'll see where all of this goes. the you know the the d there is a very scary dynamic that's emerging which right is that you have a smaller and smaller group of elites who or an elite you know uh generation who support the regime and then super majorities of people suffering from a lot of discontent and if you look at that model most nations that have that dynamic deal with problems and so certainly it's hard to argue that there's not the potential for major problems with this dynamic going forward.

Oh, go ahead.

So, sorry, sorry, sorry. Go ahead.

No, no, please, please, please.

No, no, no. So, just to show you how how much damage the boomers can do before they die off, let's look at Canada. I'm not sure if you've been following the situation in Canada. Okay. But, but I will list certain um events in Canada. So, during the co lockdowns, if you if you thought that it was bad in America, it was a 100 times worse in Canada, right? Because you have to tr protest. These are guys who were concerned about the vac vaccine mandate as they should be and all they wanted was a conversation with Justin Trudeau. So they staged this peaceful protest in Ottawa and they were debunked but not only were they debunked but if you support them in any way like you gave a dollar to these guys you were debbanked as well. That was pretty authoritarian. Then after co you had this massive influx of immigrants to Canada that drove property prices like you know to to the sky that that made it impossible to find a job if you're a young person that made this cost of living like skyhigh in the major cities and most of them were coming from India you had millions of of of um Indians coming to uh Canada and this was causing a lot of discontent And so you would think that you know after a few years of this when clearly this was was a dumpster fire that the Canadians would be like let's do a moratorum you know let's just stop immigration and um let let Canada give Canada some time to absorb these immigrants right you you think that that's a reasonable course of action instead Mark Carney goes to India and says we want more Indians in fact we will give scholarships Indian students to come to our country and then this guy Mark Carney who had who before be becoming uh becoming prime minister of Canada never had an elected office. Okay, before he became prime minister he never had he was never voted into office by the people and quite honestly for most of his adult life he was not even a resident of Canada. He spent most of his time either in New York or London working for Fergman Sachs. And then the the leadership race for the liberals was completely staged and that election you could argue was rigged as well. And then when he comes to power rather than try to win his majority through democracy by letting people vote he is bribing opposition members to join his party and now he has a he has a majority. Okay. So clearly Canada is moving towards a more authoritarian uh um system and then you and and so this is a damage that baby boomers can do because because you ask yourself who is benefiting from all these from all this from immigration from from like you know um sky-high property prices from an increased um stand of living and the answer is baby boomers. Okay. So so Canada could be America's future. So I I would say pay pay close attention to what Mark Carney is doing in Canada because people people complain that Donald Trump is a tyrant. Look at what's happening in Canada. And Mark Carney is fully supported by baby boomers.

Yeah. Well, I so I I get your point there. And then what I've been sounding the alarm about which I think not that I'm the only one but that you know I'm at this point I like I'm concerned about the authoritarianism coming out of the Trump administration. I'm very I'm very concerned about what the next step is going to be here because I do think there's this one element about where we are in America today and this is true I guess in Canada too but I just know America better. um is that really for the first time perhaps in modern history uh like governments modern propaganda apparatuses have been broken and so they don't really have the same like they don't have the same controlled corporate media that they used to have and this is what

allows conversations like this to happen because they just weren't going to happen under the old controlled model. And so, so you have this dynamic where like people are waking, waking up to the corruption and to the lies of the propaganda. And at this point, Donald Trump is just snapping back at Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and Alex Jones and Candace Owens and all these people. But how long can they continue this? And do does that require an authoritarian crackdown?

But then the other uh angle, which I'm, you know, equally concerned about, is that, you know, for whatever we we rolled back, as I kind of alluded to earlier, for whatever we rolled back in the culture and in terms of political power of the woke leftist insanity that we've seen over the last 15 years. Well, Donald Trump just found like the only way to hand political power right back over to that same group. And, you know, it, it was some of the stuff we maybe didn't do as much as Canada did. We weren't as viciously authoritarian during the the COVID stuff, but we flirted with every bit of it. And and really not just flirted with it, but like keep in mind, like Joe Biden passed an executive order essentially banning the unvaccinated from working nationwide. That any company with over a hundred employees, I believe was the rule, had to in had to fire all of their unvaccinated workers. Now, the Trump Supreme Court, which was still on the bench during Biden's years, they struck that down as unconstitutional. But like the president tried to do that. And not but a couple old Supreme Court justices dying five years later or earlier or whatever, and that gets through, and that is the law of the land in America. So, we central bank digital currency, they flirted with a lot. And they really flirted um with the national vaccine passport. The idea that like we were going to federally enforce a essentially a cast system in America. Um, which so, so like those guys coming in after being so punished by the voters, I really worry that they'd be coming back in with a vengeance this time. And that this time they would, that this time, you know, if if we see President AOC or President Gavin Newsome, that they're going to understand that they can't just wait around to see if they get voted out or, you know, possibly publicly hung by the American people at some point. They they got to be like, "Well, now's the time that we have to implement what I think for they always pretended that China had, which I've never exactly understood what the evidence for how real the Chinese social credit score system is." Like, I've heard peop I've heard politicians allege that this is the grid that totally controls China. But then I've also just talked to lots of people who are like, "No, I ran a business in China for 10 years and I don't even know what you're talking about and that's not a thing." And so I I don't know what's real there. I know the way they lied about the whole Weaguer genocide numbers and that um um what was the guy Adrien Benz or whatever, like just just didn't carry the one when he was supposed to and made all the numbers completely wrong. But so I don't know what about that. But I know that our Democratic establishment politicians have openly flirted with the ideas of like carbon scores and, you know, like all this crazy stuff. And so I look, I I agree with you that the the biggest I agree that the biggest danger is that you find one of the cuz cuz the boomer generation in America, and I could speak, I know there's some people have made had like great quotes like this, like, but if it if if uh true authoritarianism ever comes to America, it will come in the language of liberalism. But like that is always the case, right? Like for for the boomers, it will always have to be in the language of liberalism because that's the only language they speak. That's why they even have to call they everything is draped in libertarianism in America. Even though we're the biggest government in the world, and all this debt, and print all this money, and bomb all these countries. But even when they bomb, when the war in Iraq, what was it called? They called it Operation Iraqi Freedom. They call your income tax voluntary compliance. That's what the IRS calls you paying your taxes. Voluntary comp. Now, if you don't voluntarily comply, yes, they will throw you in a cage, but it's voluntary. You see? As so like I'm just saying, if you could find a narrative around climate change or around um around like hate speech or the rise of fascism in America, then it's quite possible you could get the boomers on board with some wildly tyrannical stuff.

>> I completely agree. Sorry, go ahead.

>> I want to hear your response.

>> No, so I completely agree about the Democrats. Um, so I think that from the perspective of The Democrats, these liberal boomers, the disease, the plague in America are conservative white men. America must do all that it can to destroy conservative white men because that is the ultimate threat to their way of life, right? And that's why we had keter culture and and that's why um if they get if they come back in office, they will target conservative white men uh with um, you know, digital currency, with with carbon tax, with more cancel culture, with DEI, with more illegal immigration. You can bet that like when they come when they come to office, that's what that's what they they will target. You know, it's it's what Hillary Clinton said, the deplorables, right? Who do we hate the most in the world? These conservative white men who are MAGA.

>> Yeah. No, 100%. Sne, you you jump in cuz you.

>> Yeah. I just want to see what the solution. I I think you rightly pointed out how the boomer voting class, which is still the majority voting block, they keep voting for their own interests and they don't seem to care at all about future generations. So, what do we do in Gen Z and for Gen Alpha? Do we vote left in the midterms? Well, I don't, you know, I I don't know. You know, when it comes to voting, right? Like there's again, voting is like a strategic thing. That's that's what voting is about. It's like that it's you have this little bit of a tiny little shred of authority over one election and then nothing else. That's just the hand you're dealt. And so what's your strategy there? Now, there are arguments all around. I mean, look, there is an argument that we'd be better off if Kamala Harris was president today at this point. That's not that tough of an argument. And part at least for me, of the best strongest argument that we'd be better off with Kamala Harris is just that the whole resistance would still be the resistance. And you would, you know, the in a kind of, I don't know, uh, maybe counterintuitive way, sometimes the best thing if you're a right-winger is for a Democrat to be the president. And sometimes the best thing if you're a left-winger is for a Republican to be the president because if they really blow it and they really mess up, it gives all of the like cultural energy back to you. And the the best case of that is like just look at from a cultural perspective, the right lost everything through the first four years of Donald Trump. If you remember, this was the rise of the craziest wokeism in in America was all in Donald Trump's first term. And they only finally had some cultural victories when it was Joe Biden and he was in there. And then all of a sudden, you started having things like the the Bud Light boycott and the Target boycott. And I mean, Elon Musk bought Twitter in those years. Like there were a few major factors that happened. But anyway, look, I think there is an argument that the best thing right now is that the Democrats win the midterm elections because the Republicans just have to be punished for this. Like it's there there's got to be a message that like you do this, there is a cost to it. Even if that means we have to give ourselves the Democrats in Congress. But giving giving ourselves the Democrats in Congress is a different thing than say like giving the Democrats the White House and both chambers of Congress where now they can go crazy with their agenda. So like, but I just kind of think the Democrats are going to win anyway. So I don't really I'm not signing up to vote for no Democrats. You know what I mean? Like I just I I don't know if I'll ever put my name like if I'll ever vote for a major party candidate again unless like Thomas Massie or someone like that runs. I just don't I'm too disgusted by the fact that I supported Donald Trump, but I just don't want that filthy smell on me again. Um, not that I really care. Voting is stupid, but like it's just I don't know. I don't want to I don't think I'll be voting Democrat. But um, I I would say that I think the Democrats are going to win the midterm elections. That's going to happen. And so after that, my thing is just, if you're talking about on national politics level, no one from this administration can be supported. uh except Joe Kent. If you want to throw some support to Joe Kent, I got no problem with that. But anybody else who's attached to this should just be that should be our absolute standard that there has to be like some type of line here. No supporting JD Vance, no supporting Marco Rubio, no supporting Tulsi Gabbard, no supporting any of them for the rest of Noing Bobby Kelly, uh Bobby Kennedy. Uh, there there's just no sorry, even if you're just at the health department, resign in in disgust. I don't care. You said you were the guy who was against the neocons and all their wars and stuff. You specifically spoke out against what a nightmare war in Iran would be. Get away from this. I don't think that's too much for me to ask. Like your your president starts lying you into war and committing war crimes. Get away. And so I don't know. Maybe Thomas Massie will run. Maybe there'll be some some outsider candidate who we can't think of right now who who would actually be something someone worth supporting. But to me, the bigger thing is like I I'm like, look, the baby boomers, whether it's slowly or or quicker, are going to die. They're going to age out. I'm still going to be alive, hopefully. You you guys are still going to be alive, hopefully. I got children who I'm very invested in still being alive after that. And so my thing is just like, what we can do in the meantime is wake up as many people as we can and really demonstrate that like we have the correct argument here. And then the other thing I would say, just very briefly, because I'm sorry I'm rambling too much, but that I do think one of the real dangers we have right now, and this is part of the reason why, you know, I like talking to guys like you. I like talking to guys like Nick Fuentes. I like talking to like a lot of these guys because and and I know to some degree there are some in the audience who will like almost think that this is kind of like hopeless naive or or I'm a Jew and I'm being subversive or something like that. But it's like the the thing is this, right? The establishment in America that has just like destroyed this country, let alone all the other countries that it's literally destroyed. It, as I said before, it wears this liberal skin. It wears this libertarian language. Everything is operation freedom and voluntary compliance and all the these lang which is not our system. It's the opposite of our system. It's the system that we once had that built us all of the wealth to allow us to have this corrupt crazy system. But like when when people, especially young people, are understandably reacting against this system which calls itself liberalism, the natural tendency is to split into illiberalism and to go, yeah, we reject liberalism. And that's why you see so I I believe that's why you see so many young kids on the left openly supporting communism, socialism. And why you see so many people on the right openly supporting fascism because it just becomes the knee-jerk reaction that like, yo, we screw this. Like, we're against what you say. You know, we're what you say the worst thing in the world is. But the truth is that there's just disaster behind both of those paths. They've both been tried. They've both led to absolute disaster. I mean, like real deal disasters. And it might be like kind of like niche and and kind of like badass to be like, "No, I'm the revisionist who says, you know, Stalin was really cool or I'm the revisionist who says Hitler was really cool." And by the way, that's not a shot at Fuentes. I don't even mean to say cool because he, I get the point he's making when he says it. I just mean like the people who are actually going like, "No, these guys were actually great misunderstood leaders and they they were did really good by their people." Like, no, they didn't. No, they did not. The people who lived under them suffered fates that you literally anyone in America is incapable of even wrapping their head around. And that's what that stuff brings. But we have this other option, a third way, if you will, ironically, where we could just remember what was really great about America. Like we don't have to turn to any of those things. We can just do the American model, which at its best is freedom, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence. Like there there is no, there are a lot of dynamics that prevent us from being there, but there's nothing against the laws of physics that say we can't just at some point go, "Hey, the Constitution is still the law of the land. Screw all of this. We're enforcing it now." And if we can get to a point where we wake up super majorities of the American people to believe in that, then I think we got a fighting shot at maybe things being much better off than they are now. So that's the strategy for me. Just keep saying this stuff and hoping to resonate with as many people as you can.

>> Professor Jen, what do you think? And we started off saying how you were even apprehensive to come to America because you could have been a victim of some sort of political violence. I think the temperature has been raised and we could still feel it since the assassination of Charlie Kirk. What do we do? I speak to so many people in Gen Z and when you bring up this subject, they don't even want to say whether or not they're pro or anti-war in Iran right now because they don't want to get fired from their job. So it is important to wake up as many people, but so many people understand the limitations of free speech even in a country where we pride ourselves in having that free speech. So what does the youth do?

>> Look, I completely agree with Dave. I think first of all, the best thing about America, the thing that makes America great is the First Amendment. No other nation in the world has this, and it must be protected at all costs. Um, and so you have to support people who support the First Amendment. Uh, that's the first point. Second point is that you're absolutely right in that young people have been brainwashed too much in schools, especially with this DEI nonsense, this liberal woke nonsense. So, um, educating them, you know, which which which which is what you're doing right now with your channel, that's also very key um to, you know, make make sure that they have the intellectual capacity to make their own judgments. That's point number two. But number three is, I am very, very skeptical skeptical about the Democrats. And so let me tell you why. In 2016, when Trump won, I had TDS. And the reason why is that, you know, um, I went to Yale. I studied at Yale. And so I have this very liberal mindset. Okay? Like you go to Yale and you can't help but come out as a like this program liberal robot. And so my instinct reaction was this is all wrong. Uh, Trump is pure evil. He's going to be the next Hitler. And so we need to do whatever is possible to get rid of this guy. And so I clo I I'm not American. Uh, I'm I'm a Canadian citizen, but I I follow the 2020 Democratic primaries very, very closely. And I was I became convinced that uh Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, these are all just program uh MK Ultra people, like like, you know, they're useless. So the only only viable candidate in my opinion was Bernie Sanders. And at this point, okay, we're we're talking like spring 2020, no one thought Joe Biden had a chance of like winning the Democratic primary and beating Trump in in November. So, I I sort of like, you know, forgot about about Biden and I focused on Bernie Sanders. And, you know, when he won Nevada, there's a real hope, a real energy that this guy would win uh the Democratic primary. And if he did so, then he would have certainly beaten Trump in in November. But then of course, what happened was Super Tuesday, and then Obama and his people came out fully in support of um of Biden. I was like, what is this crap? This is this is the second time this has happened to Bernie Sanders. Okay, cuz in 2016, he was railroaded by the Democratic party.

>> Um, and it was basically stolen from him and given to Hillary Clinton. Regardless of what you have to say about Trump, he did win democratically in 2016 in the Republican um um primary. Okay, the the Republicans ran a democracy, whereas Democrats did not. And then and then in 2020, it was rigged as well. In 2024, there was even not there was not even a primary. So I'd be very suspicious of the Democrats because if you go to schools like Yale, if you go to schools like Harvard, it's clear like they graduate as asskissers, right? They graduate people who do anything to suck up to authority. Um, these are people who believe that the ends justify the means. These are people who actually no moral conviction at all. So, um, yes, I understand that the Democrats will probably win the midterms and I understand that the Republicans, Donald Trump, they need to be taught a lesson, but I would be very wary of the Democrats.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Can I that's that's a great point and that's that's almost why I was saying like what I would hope would almost be like some outsider Republican not attached to this administration, you know, prevails because we really don't want to give control back. And just to like a couple more things on that, cuz even as as you said it, it wasn't just when the Obamas came out after Super Tuesday. What they did was they orchestrated the whole thing, including those MK robots you're talking about. So they had Buttigieg, Kamala Harris, and Amy Klobuchar all drop out and endorse uh Joe Biden. And then Elizabeth Warren stayed in to the bitter end splitting leftist votes with Bernie Sanders. Like they completely, they look, we who knows what they did. The only reason we know about how much they rigged the 2016 election was because the greatest journalist in modern history, Julian Assange, leaked the Podesta uh emails and we saw the emails with the DNC. We got a DNC hack and a Podesta or not hack, I think leak actually is what happened. But we got the emails of the DNC and we got the the emails. So we found out that Donna Brazile was giving Hillary Clinton the questions before the debate. And we found out that the DNC was colluding on how to smear Bernie Sanders with this group or this group when they're supposed to be a neutral organization. And so, but who knows? We never got an email dump on 2020. They I'm sure they were doing all types of dirty stuff like that too. But even just what we have in broad daylight, they rigged the thing against him. But so one of the the huge dynamics in America that's going on right now because even Bernie Sanders, right? Bernie Sanders himself is a fraud and himself is all an op. It's, you know, look, Bernie Sanders, at least in effect, what he did every single time was rally up a bunch of young leftists and then do his best to funnel them into the Clinton campaign or the Biden campaign. I that's that's literally the function that he served. But what happens in that dynamic, this is what's happening with Trump right now, is then that huge base of people is still there for the taking. Like no one's speaking to them now, you know, but like someone else could come along and talk to them. But also, you know, just on your your point about the fear of the Democrats, which we also in this moment cannot forget because it's very easy to get sucked up with the newest thing, which is Donald Trump lying us into a disastrous war. And this war is a catastrophe already. So, we have to be talking about that. But like, it is hard to overstate how much within the realm of American government, right? Like what we do, how much of an escalation in authoritarian behavior the Democrats played, not just in the DNC rigging these elections against uh Bernie Sanders, but in a much more profound way, the way they absolutely rigged the system against Donald Trump for both the uh the the I mean, we listen, obviously JFK happened in America. Richard Nixon was also framed. Like presidents have been brought down by the deep state before. But for there to just be a CIA op that is to frame the sitting president of the United States of America for the crime of treason, totally made up, fabricated, and absolute deep state. I mean, it started as Hillary Clinton opposition research. But that's not really the story. The story is that the deep state ran with that and prosecute a the candidate, the leading candidate, and then the sitting president of the United States of America for three years. They framed him for being a Russian spy before they had to admit they had nothing on him. And then of course, in the 2020 election, I mean, I don't believe any of the theories with the voting machines. I've never been convinced of any of that. But the freaking the Biden laptop thing was an absolute, they stole the election. I mean, like, they literally took an issue that would have at least swung a few points to Donald Trump in a razor thin election and just stole the thing from him. Put this letter out with 50 intelligence officers saying this was a Russian op again after priming the country for three years to believe that. And that is that is a, you know, I don't know. I read a lot about the history of American politics and I've lived in America my entire life, and I know we do a lot of stuff, but that really was kind of unique in scale and kind. This was like a different level of like, no, we are exerting total control. And this came right on the heels of the Obama administration, which had essentially the Obama doctrine was what really made the imperial presidency naked for the world. Obama, the Obama doctrine, the the George Bush doctrine was, we will kill the terrorists and all the nations who harbor the terrorists, and he got to define who are the nations who harbored what terrorists, and he could just lie and make it up. The Obama doctrine was the pres, the war is everywhere. The global war on terrorism is everywhere, and I can touch anywhere in any country anytime I want, and I don't even need to pretend to get an authorization of use of military force from Congress. That was the Obama doctrine. Bush went to Congress for both Iraq and Afghanistan. Say whatever you will about him. Obama never even bothered. Never even bothered. And like that stuff, these are major groundbreaking precedents. They should not be, you know, in in today's world where there's so much news every single day, it's easy to forget, you know, the bigger picture, but this is yes, we should never under any situation support giving control of the three-letter agencies and the executive branch back to the Democratic establishment.

>> Absolutely.

>> Another point I will.

>> Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Another point I I will make is that in Trump's first term, you had a massive collusion between the mainstream press, New York Times, CNN, and the deep state. They became stenographers for the three free agency agency um three-letter agencies, and that was surprising and and I I think very worrying as well. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Go single.

>> No, no. I want you to finish your point. I'm not trying to. This is a good back and forth.

>> No, no, that was my point. You you now have this massive collusion between the deep state and and the media. And this is this this this, you know, is a direct threat to to American democracy.

>> Right. I was going to point out on on your point why I support outsiders like Dan Bilzerian. You have Brian McInnes, the veteran who stood up and got his arm broken by the senator. You also have people like James Fishbach running in Florida. I think Mom Donnie is doing a great job in New York City. I think it's important to not just have complete, you know, allegiance to one party. I think that's it's going to trap people. These isms are always subverted by different federal agencies. So, it's it's better to just vote in somebody who you fully believe in, but also to never trust somebody completely blindly again because again, I was a Trump supporter in 2016 when he was, you know, going to drain the swamp and when he was against the globalism and against all the super PAC money, and he completely switched up. And I agree with Dave. I'm I'm disgusted by that. So.

>> Well, you know, it's interesting just that you bring that up because, you know, it is the whole the whole story of Donald Trump from 2016 to being here in this Iran war is a really fascinating story. you know, just even as you said, yeah, if you remember the original 2016, and I think for a lot of people like around your age, Sneo, this was like a real like the coming of age moment was the 2016 Donald Trump presidential campaign that shook up the world and changed everything. And a big huge part of his appeal was Donald Trump's initial message, people forget all that build the wall and all this stuff that just never happened that people just forget about. But one of his big things was, I'm not taking money from anyone. This was an incredibly popular message with the American people who had never heard this message from a presidential candidate ever because presumably.

>> Yes. Okay. But this was happening at the same time as Bernie. So I guess they were both saying it at at the same time. But in general, even Bernie was going, I'm raising a whole Bernie would say, most of my donations come in $37 or whatever, you know, but he wasn't exactly saying what Donald Trump goes. Anyone who's really going to possibly win to be president has to take all of the dirty money, and I'm not taking a scent of it because I'm a billionaire. I don't have to take any of their money. So, you know what? I can come here and tell everyone whatever I want to. It doesn't m there was like this freedom with it. And I don't know, this is a real forgotten chapter in history, but I always remember this because it was the first time I took Donald Trump politically serious. Um, like I I was like, "Oh, I have to treat this like there's a serious thing." Because he was doing really good. He was ranting and raving. He was he was winning in the polls, but it just was kind of like, ah, he's a showman. Um, so anyway, he made a comment. Someone asked him about Israel-Palestine and where he stood on that issue. And this is just Donald Trump in 2016 letting it rip. Like he I don't know, he's making it up on the spot like he always does. So Donald Trump, he does the thing Donald Trump does where, you know, when he pauses when they ask him a question, and you can tell he's thinking right there and then like what? Like he doesn't have his answer ready for this. He's going, "I'll tell you this." and like almost anything could come out. And he goes, because he's Donald Trump, he goes, "I think we should be neutral. We should just be neutral with with Israel and Palestine." Now, as you guys know, saying America should be neutral with Israel and Palestine is like too the the Israel lobby, you might as well say we should start eating Jewish babies. Like you you are the a monster caricature of Adolf Hitler if you would dare think that we don't have unconditional support for Israel and we're always on their side. And so he got the lobby totally turned on Donald Trump. They were furious with him. And if you can remember at this time, Donald Trump was saying things like he was going, "You can't vote for Rubio because he'll be a puppet of Sheldon Adelson." Like whether he knew it or not, he was publicly going, "He'll be a tool of the lobby if if you vote for him." And then so in the midst of this controversy which may have squashed Donald Trump if he had not handled it, he goes and gives a speech at AIPAC. And I remember being like, "Whoa, what's going to happen here?" And Donald Trump goes up on stage and the first thing he says, or the damn near first thing he says is he goes, "I'm going to make great deals. Nobody else makes great deals like me." And the worst deal ever made was the JCPOA. Obama's Iran deal. And they they are standing ovation for him now. And I remember in that moment being like, "Oh, dude, not only can this guy work up the plebs,"

>> but like he can tangle and grapple with the Israel lobby. Like he's a legit political threat. Like he might win." And anyway, just like that's the that's the story of how they first got him in was that he went, "Oh, I know this will be the thing I say that gets the Ludnik in the lobby off my back. This will be the thing I'll promise him." And I don't know exactly where along the line he decided to also take the Adelson money and also be everything he claimed Marco Rubio was going to be and also publicly tell us that he's that. Just tell us that they gave him the money and they demand this and this is what I do. But it is crazy that from that pledge to here, that was how the whole thing initially started. And and none of this happens, none of this if he didn't tear up the JCPOA. That was the first step to this whole conflict or the the last step to this conflict. I guess there's been several. I want to see uh is there any final thoughts or any anything you that the guests on the panel would like to ask each other or some concluding message that we can wrap this up with? I'll start with Professor Jang.

>> Yeah. No, I mean, this has been a great conversation. Like I love talking to Dave, you know, I I think we think alike on many many issues. Um, and I think it's very important to have have these conversations to show how different people of different political allegiances can can align um on certain um um political topics. And like I have to emphasize, you know, the best thing about America because we don't have it in Canada or China or any anywhere else in the world is the First Amendment. So whichever politician, whoever says that, you know, we have to protect the First Amendment, I think we should all support.

>> Absolutely. Yeah, it's a great a great point, man. And like for as bad as so many things are, then you certainly don't want to downplay any of of it because we're we're in a dangerous spot right now as as a country. But we really do still have this ability to a large extent, and even some of the censorship from just the last few years has tremendously been rolled back or made much less uh effective than it was. And you know, it's it's just we we still do, you know, the president can be out there trashing Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and Alex Jones and Candace Owens and everything, but like they still have the ability to snap back at him the next day on their podcast. And, you know, like as long as we have that, we really should focus on preserving it because we've lost so much else. And, you know, that is really th when you lose that, as the professor says, there's really no getting it back. The this is it's kind of an unprecedented thing that we have this enshrined as the very first um amendment to the constitution, and the you know, there's really never been anything quite like it before, and there isn't another example of it in the world today. And so the idea that you think you lose that, you know, the odds of you getting it back are slim to none. So that is I I completely agree with that. Whoever's on the side of free speech here always is the good guy in in my book, and whoever's opposing it is the bad guy. Like by definition, that's the people who are, and I even uh, you know, include like the people like whining about platforming and stuff like that in there too. Like I don't know. It's just there's a a crazy discrepancy. You could almost divide the American like um commentating, podcasting, streaming class or whatever into two distinct categories. There is one category is like, you know, the people who will be like, Joe Rogan had Daryl Cooper on his show, and why would he do? He had Daryl Cooper, and then he had whoever, you know, and then oh my gosh, he had this guy who was saying this horrible thing, and oh my god, he had Tucker Carlson on a show, and then Tucker Carlson talked to Nick Fuentes, and, you know, whatever it's like. And then there's the people like us who like it would never even dawn on us to have that attitude. You know what I mean? Like it's never like if you just think about it from the opposite perspective, right? Like Joe Rogan has had on like Douglas Murray and Ben Shapiro and all these guys who used to go on Joe Rogan's show are like, why are you having Dave Smith on? Oh my god. It Joe Rogan has on so many people whose views I completely disagree with. And it just would never even dawn on me to go, why is Joe having this guy on? Like, yeah, just have him on. I don't know, have everybody on. What what's the problem here? Like anybody who's not on the side of just like, dude, we got to bring the temperature down here. We got to find solutions to these problems. We got to be allowed to talk this through. If if we can't do that, then we have no chance. And I think it's more important than ever. I mean, literally three years ago, I think that that was an act of political violence. We saw that ramp up, especially after Charlie Kirk. During this conversation, I'm looking at my hands. It's like I have.

>> Yeah. You literally.

>> I literally just now went through it. Like there's blood on my fingers from and on my knuckles here from something that happened literally three hours ago. More people in Gen Z are afraid to have these conversations because they know the outcome. So it's more important than ever to support these conversations, and I look forward to having more panels and and reaching out to more people having this sort of dialogue, and let's encourage this more because although we do have these rights, they're trying everything they can to to stop us from using them. Oh, and can I just say, and I apologize to the professor who's I really have enjoyed this conversation and you're clearly an incredibly intelligent guy. Um, so I apologize for dragging this down to the gutter for a second, but I just got to say while I'm on here, what a [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] move, man. Like what type of man? How do you like go home and look in the mirror? Like you shouldn't you should have to sit down to pee for the rest of your life. Like just swinging a random sucker punch at a guy looking at his phone. I I don't know. Like maybe it's my age or like the way I grew up, man. But where I grew up in the 80s in Brooklyn and stuff, there were a lot of fist fights, but there was like there was a code of honor to some degree that I don't know what is going on in this country where it's like you wouldn't just I I feel like your friends would beat you up if you did something like that. Just randomly sucker attack. Like if you wanted to go up and he goes, "Oh, you're Sneo. I [ __ ] hate you." And like challenge you to a fight or something or say something and then start a fight with you. That's one thing. But what a just weak, pathetic move, man.

>> Like that. He He He maced me right afterwards. As soon as I got up, he stood up and I got pepper-sprayed all over my eyes.

>> And I don't think it was.

>> Mace is a woman's weapon. It's a weapon for women.

>> I don't think it was a random guy.

>> Not men do not fight with mace. What is wrong with you young men? I'm sorry. I've never felt like more of a father. But like, yo, that's insane.

>> I I think if if it was something if it was a personal grievance he had, I think he would have said it there. That's usually what happens when people are angry. I think somebody paid him to do that. So I I wouldn't even say that that's.

>> You know he's responsible completely for that. But thank you so much for coming on Professor Jen, and you encourage me to have these panels. I am going to Asia tomorrow. So uh, but I will be back soon and maybe we can have more of these conversation or these panels. Open invitation to people watching this.

>> And I'm coming to your continent uh tomorrow.

>> Okay, man.

>> Thanks so much, guys. God bless everybody, and I appreciate you having this conversation.

>> Absolutely. Thanks to both of you. Really enjoyed it.

>> Bye.

>> Great. Bye. Bye.