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I don't mind at all.
Okay. So, I'm recording right now. So, yeah, looks like um so there's obviously a lot of activity. I've seen there are some reports that um they're really trying to push Lindsey Graham was was asking for special counsel to get appointed to investigate Obama for treason. So it seems to me like you know what this was what we were speaking about yesterday. You know the very fundamental question is what sort of crimes are the Republicans willing to attempt to commit to try to squash this story?
Well, it doesn't seem like there's anything that's off the off the table. Um, I you know, if if and this is just speculation, you know, I've I've read things that suggest it, but I I I wouldn't present it as fact. But if they have already used the system to silence Epstein, then you would have to make the logical conclusion that there is no there is no barrier, you know, for them other than what they believe they may get away with. that would, you know, that that would just be where I would where I would be from a a logic standpoint if if I were, you know, if I were questioned on what I thought.
Yeah, I understand. So, let's sort of run through a few things. So, I spoke I called the the federal RCMP yesterday and unfortunately they just referred me back to a local pre like a lo to the local police here which they can only really do anything if it is tied to Vancouver Island and the only way could seem like it's tied to Vancouver Island if there's like you know some sort of threat or something. That being said, I did have a long conversation with a police officer who had some interesting feedback and um a um towards the end of the discussion the officer said well the officer mainly said what the officer needs is even to to write up an investigation to get referred to their intel department and then to the right agency. They need some corroborative, not so much evidence in the films, but just reports like, you know, do you have a copy of your your military, the years you were in the military? Do you have any copies of the CPS reports and stuff? Cuz they have some of those documents they can include then to write up. So then goes into their intel department and off to the right agency.
Okay. So, that's what I sent you um an email of, but I we can talk about that in a minute because I think there's some optics there. We want to be careful how we're asking those questions, right, in terms of any flags. So, but then the officer the officer A the officer offered to store the audio securely and B the officer offered to listen to the audio while you know I said and what about we get some of these documents? What can the officer look at? the do officer said then you know then the officer can write up a longer police report with something that sort of corroborates um and by corroborate I'm not talking about like the films or anything just like some starting point in terms of an investigation to refer to their intel group and then to another agency whether it's like a you know regarding national security or whatever.
So, so I have an idea.
Yeah.
All right. So, in 1989, I was uh housed at a a behavioral hospital in Alabama. It's called uh Charter Woods Memorial Hospital or Mental Hospital. I'm not sure.
Mhm.
Um, my parents had accused me of being on drugs. So, I wasn't not not that I not at that point in in my life I have experimented with drugs since, but not as a child. Uh, not willingly as a child. So, anyway, that would have been the first time that I talked about Donald Trump specifically by name. So, I'm going to go there as soon as I get my bike back. It could be as early as tomorrow, but I'll take a little road trip and see if I can't get that paperwork. The hospital itself has been closed down, but as I understand it, all medical records have to be stored in the uh medical archives, and I forget which city that's in, but it's Alabama's not very far from me. So, I'll take a trip down there and see if I can retrieve those because that in my mind is the best connection that I have because I mentioned him by name.
That was the first time that I did that.
Yeah. Okay.
So, so that's that's great. Now, the I think with the information if you can't get from them, I know you can file a Freedom of Information Act request. My only concern was that we really look at if you suddenly start filing all these requests on police reports and CPS reports. Would that flag anything? And I don't want to talk to any journalists that I don't to get them to flag. I was hoping police requests and I'm even looking carefully at, you know, how could I look at requesting or can I do so somehow anonymously. So that's what I'm trying to sort of sort a bit there.
What the what else? Now, that's that would be extremely helpful information obviously those files. The other one that you can request that would help would be anything from your interview at Fort Carson.
Okay.
Are you comfortable to
Well, my biggest thing there would just be I would just, you know, the the military isn't like um if if I were to contact Fort Carson now, they would have no idea what I'm talking about. I would have to track down those people,
yeah,
that were involved in that investigation. And that is possible. I am still in contact with some of the people that I served with from that time. So, I would just need to reach out to some people and see if that if that's a possibility.
Yeah, that seems like that. Um, so don't contact Fort Car if like if you what I was hoping is we could get like a copy of your interview from Fort Carson, but I understand with US military all sort of classifications that might be difficult.
It might be. Yes.
But they would have records of the films. That's the thing. They would. Yeah, they would have I would think
they have copies somewhere
that they possibly would
unless they destroyed them.
Yeah. I don't know what the the the rules of evidence are in something like that. Um, very possibly they they could.
I mean, seems like what we could start with is with was it Bais and the other fellow that that if you could try to contact them and ask them, you know, if they would be willing to to talk about it.
Yeah. And just say it's extremely confidential. isn't with any that it's that it would be confidential and and so on like that it's just like a starting point there right well I will reach out in that direction and see what I can what I can what I can reach and as soon as I get my bike back I will take a little trip kind of wanting to go for a ride anyway so
yeah well let me ask you a question like do you think is there any way that they could be like if you even reaching out to them might trigger anything in terms of
um not from their end. Um if if like uh if I'm being monitored, you know, if I'm being passively, you know, surveiled in some way, then maybe. But I don't know. There's so much going on that I I would not think that too many resources would be dedicated to me, you know, kind of just the the with everything that's going on. I I I doubt I doubt it would raise any flags.
Not unless I I could see potentially if I started going and trying to get my CPS reports and and uh you know, contacting Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, and Florida trying to get the police reports from my childhood. I could see maybe that raising a red flag.
Yeah.
But as far as just me reaching out to my old army buddies, I I don't I don't think so. I think I could probably communicate with them, see what they remember. Um,
so my suggestion is that before you reach out to the old army buddies that you um get those the paperwork from the hospital first cuz that's a very important starting point just in case you reaching out to your buddies would in any way trigger anything and you can travel there safely to and from and so on. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, let's get the paperwork from the hospital and then we can look at reaching out to the army buddies afterwards. Um, and then whatever of those copies will just figure out how you can just photograph them and and and I think um with Proton Mail, there's something called Proton Drive and there's like a certain amount of gigabytes of storage. In fact, I just uploaded one of the audio recordings in Photon Drive because I'm looking at how is most effective to get to the police officer once I go through those other audio recordings.
And then and then on a positive like the the audio how great the audio recordings will be stored on a Victoria Police Department secure server with the bank. So that that's something that's important. I feel much better about that actually as a starting point. So, okay. And then um I think now one of the what the police officer said, well, let's talk about some of those in terms of like the investigation is this sort of, you know, from their perspective, they look and they say, "Okay, how do they know you're telling the truth?" And I said, "Well, when you hear the audio recordings, you'll you'll hopefully you can discern Right?
You know, some folk some folks are different, you know, like the now the police officers, you know, got lots of experience and, you know, I know the police officers approach to hearing the audio files would be quite different than than sometimes how they might look. So, they're asking, well, how did you where did I meet you? You know, those sort of questions. And I said, well, I offered to help. You know, I tried to provide the right context. So in terms of um you know I know what sort of questions folks will ask and so some of the folks like something that in terms of documentation that helps in terms of with the police is that you know that yeah you were you were at the army. Do you have like a a document that says what years you're in service that you can send me that we can start compiling those?
Yeah, I got a DD214 that that uh that gives you my years of service. Yeah, I can cooperate that like in the next few minutes, as soon as I get off the phone.
Oh, sure. That's perfect because then I can send um when I send a link to the audio files, I can send an email um with the document, anything that we have that would help to provide context right now, even before she's listening to the audio files.
Yeah. Yeah. I can I can upload my DD214, my most current one, and it'll have both periods of service. It'll have all my schools, all my awards, it'll have everything. So, it's it's a I don't know how familiar you are with uh uh the military, but whenever you uh ETSs, when whenever your uh term is up, they give you that document and it's basically your entire career encapsulated into Mine's two pages long.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I I have no problem sending that to you. Um
and she has relatives. She just to context I was going to say she has relatives in the military. So she has some context in terms of military family. So
okay.
Um the only thing I might redact off of that is my social security number. And I would only do that by putting uh like a little piece of paper or something where the social security number is.
Sure.
Um just in case it gets passed around. I just, you know, don't want my social security number uh to have access. And I won't even redact the whole I'll leave my last four or something on there.
Yeah, that would be perfect cuz I think that's pretty standard in Canada on documents. Just the last couple of digits.
Okay, I'll I'll do that as soon as we get off the phone. I I know right where that's at. That's in my go bag.
Awesome. Now then, another thing to ask in terms of with the military, when you were questioned, did you did they give you any documentation when you were questioned about the films? Do you have any notes from those years or anything?
No, nothing like that.
Okay. I could just remember getting pulled into the office and and really the only question was, you know, these these movies are obviously older. How old were you when when you did them? I is that you and how old were you when you did them?
Yeah.
And you know, I said without seeing the movie, I couldn't tell you, but it started at 9:00 and ended at, you know, I remember it starting out at about 9:00 and then it ended around 13. So about the same thing I told you.
Um, that hasn't changed over the years.
Okay.
Uh it is possible however that uh nine is just where I begin to remember it. And it it is very possible it was happening before that.
Mhm.
So if I'm inaccurate that would be the only way that I am being inaccurate is just not remembering more.
Okay. Well, I think when we have some further discussions sort of, you know, I know how I can ask some questions that might help a bit with memory. But like I say, I'm really um focus on what's actually empowering, you know. So in terms of like like what you feel more freedom about what's most helpful, you know,
right?
So
well that's okay. So that's a good start. Um, those documents are great. And you don't have do you have any copies of like the when you when did you first so there's the stuff from when you were younger CPS report any mentions of the police incidents those ones are super super important but we've got to figure out a different approach of getting those because that would be a red flag if you're asking and if there was any surveillance on the telephone call I'm even careful about requesting so I'm trying to figure out what sort of requests we can get in there how we can get that information. Like that's where I was hoping I I I actually even sent I forgot to tell you I sent an Instagram message extremely vague to Allan analysis. He hasn't gotten back to me yet, but I'll tell you what I said. Um, howdy, do you signal? I'd like to ask you some questions and provide some information carefully. I've been helping an individual you've been helping. signal chat times sensitive and all I was I'm not going to tell Allan anything about our discussion. I was going to only ask him after I get a better sense of him if he could um share with you the the connection that he has. That would that would certainly be helpful.
Yeah, and if he has like um cuz we've got your text messages, but like if he can like provide copies of what exactly he saw in the Epstein files or pointers to where we can download them.
That's that's good thinking. I like that.
Yeah.
And I will I will send you that. And I'll the the states where this happened are problematic just because of how red they are. Texas obvious. Tennessee is just as red, if not even even more so. Alabama is in the same boat and so is Florida. You know, um if it if like one of the states had been Massachusetts or Delaware or something like that, I would be it's not even a matter of being comfortable asking for it. It's just like you said of drawing attention. And if we're not trying to do that at this point, it might. But if there is some sort of way even electronically to try to request that.
Yeah, I mean, I know with
I don't know. I'm just thinking
I think
like what the constable said is that and I did do a little bit of research like the conible said, you know, that those are requests. the conible I don't think the conible was quite totally comprehending in terms of safety like the conible was still sort of thinking in terms of well what could the conible looked at to corroborate I think when the conible hears testimony and sees some documents will be helpful right you know just some folks are better when they see more um
absolutely absolutely
so I think you know because the conible said you know you can request all those documents freedom of information act that I could even request them from Canada. But what you and I are concerned about is Roy Black, right? Just it's just weird. And I said to the cons, it's just it's could just be coincidence, but abundance of caution. were careful because obviously um the information on Roy Black and I mean nobody seems to really have looked much at Howard um Howard at William Kyle at all and it's just a bit odd that suddenly there's Troy Black drops dead a day after we've spoken over on an you know on a with a call dropout. So
Right. All right. Well, I will I will forward you those things and I will start getting me an itinerary to go down to Alabama. It probably be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of next week, something like that. And it's contingent on me getting my motorcycle back.
Okay.
So, uh I I just spoke to the guy yesterday. The part was on order as of Monday. It was supposed to be in today or tomorrow at the latest. Uh apparently it's not that difficult to put on. And after it's on, I should be good to go.
Okay. So, I'm hoping to get the bike back as early as tomorrow or um early next week at the latest unless of course uh that part doesn't fix it. So,
yeah. So, something else then. So then I'm just sort of like question mark in terms of how to get at those files. Um, all those other sort of reports cuz those are helpful context. But the hospital one is is quite helpful. But the other reports are really important because there's police, you know, cuz wasn't didn't you said there was a police report filed regarding the complaint to Samantha regarding Samantha?
Oh yeah. There was a whole investigation that involved the FBI and the local police because when they first got her, the only thing she had was like a uh little plastic bag of uh like one change of clothes. So, we went and and and in the beginning, they weren't, you know, hurting her. They they just had us both there. um and there was a witness at the shoe store that we went to. Um that that remembered both of us because you know we were kids and and it it it was her being a black girl and me being a a a white kid. It was it was just something that stood out to the uh to the witness there. She was a slender black lady and she I know she was part of the investigation cuz she thought something was fishy even in the store. Um, just the way that Lynn was acting. Lynn was the one that actually took us out to get these clothes.
Mhm.
Um, but yes, there was an investigation and nothing came out of it. But there was there was it was more than just like a welfare check or something like that. They came and did a a full investigation. They did find blood in the room that we were being stored in. And I was as a result of that investigation turned into CPS again. So,
and that was your second time to CPS?
Oh, it was at least the third time. I had been referred to CPS that that would have been in Alabama. I had already been referred to CPS in Tennessee during the year that we lived there. And I had been referred into the CPS system in Texas. So Texas, Tennessee, and Alabama, I was referred into the CPS system. And then in Florida, the beach incident at the Riptide uh uh area that generated another investigation. The the sheriff came down, did a uh witness statements and all of that from the guy that fished me out of off off the sandbar, brought me in. Um, they they did interviews and then we left uh from the beach, went home and the sheriff in Alabama came and talked to my dad. So there it was a across both of those states. So, there was at least a precursory investigation, even if all that was was a welfare check, but it went through the um the sheriff's office, the police station there in New Brockton, Alabama.
Let me ask you a question. And when the investigation when they found blood in the room where you and Samantha were were held,
did they did they experience awareness Samantha had died or had Samantha's body been moved already? So they were investigating? They were investigating Samantha's body had already been moved and the only thing that they had was the one eyewitness account and what they told the police was that she was a runaway that they took in for a period of time and then she ran back away.
So they never even saw Samantha's body?
No. No. As far as I know, it's never been recovered.
So Samantha's body was never recovered. As far as I know, it has not been um, but that blood in that room was from her cuz that was the thing. It did not match any of us and it was hers.
Okay. Now, um, let's see. So, Samantha's body wasn't recovered. There was an full full investigation and you said you told the FBI what you remembered or you told the police that
I I told the police many many years later.
Many years later. Okay. But not right then. Many years later.
Yes. I I don't think I was even allowed to speak to the the investigation. Okay. No, that's okay. That's what I remember you said.
So years later. So let's just jump forward a bit in terms of you told the police when you filed your police or FBI reports
years later.
So what years did you file those reports?
Would have been around 2021.
2020 maybe.
2020. 2021.
Yes.
Okay. So and then you told the police.
Yes. I said and and you know I I really tried to stick with the things that could be verified like going back and looking at the investigations and stuff like that. I remember more stuff that that you can't get anything to really corroborate. So you know I just tried to focus on okay well I know this generated a police report. I remember this generated a police report. So I just stuck to those things as which was kind of the same thing that I did with with you.
Mhm. you know. Um, now I don't actually have those police reports, but they should exist.
Yeah. And those again are ones that you can request copies of those police reports or FBI reports. And that's one of the questions the the conal asked me and I think it's helpful just in terms of per perceptually. The conipal said, "Well, why don't you have copies of the police reports?" And I said, "Well, I would ask you that. That's, you know, early in our discussions. Um, let me ask you a question. When you got the police reports and so on, that was 202021. I mean, I know that when I filed complaints, you don't usually get a copy right away. You have to request the report, right? So, when you filed those reports, they what's the standard in the United States? They offer you copies. Is it just assumed that you would have to request a copy of those reports? Um,
I I can go. I mean that lot is just 30 some something miles away. I can go and and request, you know, the depos uh the disposition of that case. I'm sure it's been closed. Um, but I can go request it.
Yeah. Okay.
I can do that one. Just just I don't think that that would raise any red flags. Let me let me see. Let me go tomorrow and and and see if I can get a copy of that one. That one might be the the easiest the most attainable one for me to get right now. I don't have to cross any state lines or anything to go get that.
So the and the Lon one is from 2020 2021ish.
Yes. I I could be wrong on that. I just I'm I'm in my mind. I'm thinking I I still had my Jeep. So that would have been around that time because I was trying to remember what vehicle I drove and that was the first time as an adult that you'd filed a police report, right?
Let me Yes.
Okay.
Yes. And did you file an FBI report during the same year or
I reached out to the FBI and spoke to them on uh first through social media and then uh um we did a follow on back and forth but but that was it. I never went to like the FBI building and sat down and gave a deposition or anything like that. his response was just to go to the local police and that would that should trigger a larger scale investigation. So that's what I did. Um, to the best of my recollection, I I reached out to the FBI in the beginning because I knew that the FBI had been involved in the one in uh Alabama in that investigation in Alabama with uh in regards to Samantha and also they were involved in the uh investigation that landed uh the parents of the girl that I did the one movie with in Tennessee in jail. I know that the FBI was involved in that one as well. So I figured they were as the larger scale operation, they would be the ones to go to, but they then referred me back down to the local police.
Sort of what occurred with me yesterday when I was trying to get in touch with somebody more in international policing with the RCMP. They they seem to >> whatever their sort of procedures are, they seem to sometimes get a little caught up in following procedures instead of thinking like of the specifics of each case. So
right,
I understand. So Okay. So, you talked to this FBI. They told you to go to the police.
You filed the police report and you can get a copy of the report in Lton.
Yes.
Now,
I'll do that tomorrow.
Okay. So, Friday, will you just sort of like just let's sort of set a sort of standard about check in with me morning and evening wellness checks. Okay. I would just feel better.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I will get you that that the uh >> the DD214. I'll get you that in the next few minutes here.
So, Diddy 214 and then Friday you'll get the the police report.
Yes. And then
and then the the medical the paperwork from the hospital.
That's a little bit more of a of a of a of a involved process, but sure. I don't I don't mind ride
Okay.
ride down to Alabama and grabbing that.
Okay. Okay. So, DD214, police report, paperwork from hospital. Then we're looking at Fort the Army Buddies, Fort Carson Army Buddies.
Yes.
And while we're sort of sorting out in terms of all the other police reports you're mentioned in, would you be mentioned in the report where um the other girls parents were charged?
Yes.
Yes. Because they investigated my parents. They they knew it was me in the video. They just didn't have enough uh evidence to convict my parents. They got the girls parents because even though they were careful not to show the faces of us uh the children in the in the film, they had enough identifying features of the house of the basement where we filmed the film. And it was uh it was the uh the house of the parents of the girl is where we filmed it.
Okay. So those Yeah. So those are really important reports to get, but we've got to figure out how to get those safely because those could certainly if there's a bunch of those that you request, they could get flagged. I need to sort of simmer about because there's all requests that we should be getting all of those in. Um, but maybe starting with that report. I'll just see figure out. Yeah, let's kind of noodle a bit about getting those safely because it's simple enough to request the reports. I just don't want you to request the reports. Although sometimes they can get them, you can get them faster in terms of victim reports, but I want to just be really careful.
Right.
Um,
right. And then um super I I just feel like super careful with Allen as well, right? Because I was looking at some of Allen's posts and Allen seems to like to sort of post about, you know, when Allan posted something that the mega Republicans have gotten angry at. So we want to be careful that Ellen would um not to speak say a bunch of swear words, [ __ ] [ __ ] up. Yeah, I I I kind of got that from the the Ed Operan report. So I
Yeah. And my concern I'm telling you there when you mentioned Amanda, I'm like, you know, there's just something odd about Ed Oper. Either Ed Operan is like sort of a sleazy ambulance chaser or Ed Operman's a sleazy ambulance chaser and there's some connection in terms of like some different layers of the Trump Amsterdam pedophile enterprise that they were using pilots and PIs to recruit traffic and silence victims.
Yeah, I think that would be an accurate deal.
Yeah. So, okay. Well, this stuff is all sort of helpful starting. Um, I really again like super quiet until after Monday or Tuesday for sure.
Super careful. I think it would really help us not to even look at the news much. I'm I because
I don't
um just like super selective looking at the news. I think cuz there's might be a lot of announcements suddenly and we don't want to behave distracted or blindsided.
Well, I have been being very careful. So, I will continue to do that and I will get you those papers here in just a minute.
Awesome. Now, I just wanted to There was something else I was going to ask you. I guess we covered most of it by now. Um, oh yeah, just like in terms of getting a copy, get information from Allan in terms of either a link to where in the public archives the mention is of William Kyle or you know Allan to send you copies screen even screenshots is a start and a link.
Okay. I haven't been back in contact with him since since I gave you that information but
Okay.
getting your paperwork right now and seeing what I got here.
All right.
Has All Al Allen posted recently? Have you noticed?
I I have not. I've only had the the interactions that I've discussed with you with him. Okay. So,
outside of that,
yeah, it looks like last time was 20 hours ago, maybe. Oh, here I already got it. Here's my DD214.
Yep. Right on top.
Woohoo. Oh, and it's already redacted.
Perfect. It's ready to send. All right. I'll send those to you in just a minute.
Awesome. Oh, just a second.
Okay.
Yeah, I was just checking. Okay. Yeah. No, we're good. Um, yeah, get those off to me. And um I feel like um yeah, I'm I'm going to snorkel a bit.
Okay. Sounds good.
I hit some golf balls yesterday. I'm going to snorkel a bit and stuff and then I'm just sort of pacing in terms of get it going through those audio. But it's at least it's all underway now and so on and I'll get some other copies to some other folks today.
All righty. Sounds good. And I'll get you these these uh you'll get them in the next five minutes probably.
Sounds good.
All right. Talk to you in a little bit.
Talk to you soon. Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.