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I don't think that the elites and the government even want us to be united. I think that they want us divided. They want us arguing. And when we're arguing and distracted, there's a lot of things that come in that aren't even in the news and aren't even talked about. And we're so busy, you know, arguing, punishing the rich, they think that they can become wealthy by taking from the wealth. You're never going to become successful by trying to take away from somebody. You have to create.
People can identify as whatever they want. As soon as someone tries to compel myself and everyone else's speech, create actual injustices by throwing males into female spaces, I have a problem with that.
University is a complete scam. I pulled all my kids out of school. The whole school system is created for absolute poverty. It's stupid, right? It's ridiculous.
How would you feel if there was a male on the opposing team who has grown a ponytail and says, "I'm a girl." Would you have a problem with that?
What's up, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls around the world? I'd like to welcome you back to the Real Talk with Zubie podcast. Today we're back in studio here in Dubai and today I am going to be talking to a man that I've actually been following for several years, although it's the first time we're meeting and talking in person. He is a property developer. He's an online content creator and trainer. And this is Samuel Leeds. Welcome to the show, man.
Great to meet you in person and thanks for having me on the show.
Absolutely. Well, Samuel, I've done a brief intro. For my listeners who may not be familiar with you and what you're about, please introduce yourself.
Um, I am a content creator, but unlike most content creators these days who are sponsored by somebody and are very restricted on what they can say, I am a property investor developer. So, I had to study money and banking and all kinds of stuff. And I'm not sponsored. So, I can say what I want and I talk freely and I share the losses. I lost 3.5 million pounds on a deal a few months ago and and talked about it. And it's very rare, you know, to to to be able to see that online. So, um I love I love property. I love investing and I also like creating content and telling stories and and and sharing the insight. Um so, yeah, made a lot of money. I've also lost some money, but I've made a lot more than I lost.
Good man. And where did you grow up? Tell me about your background.
Um, I grew up in a place called Warsaw, which is like a little rough area next to Birmingham in the Midlands, middle of England.
And what was your childhood like?
Bro? This sounds like therapy now or something. Um, my childhood was fine. It was all right. I didn't do very well at school. U, my parents separated when I was seven. I sat on a special needs desk. I've got ADHD, dyslexia, and I did not excel at school.
Keep going.
Um, left school at 16, worked on a builder site, did did a bit of everything. I was working for my dad. My dad's an entertainer, so he used to do children's parties, like balloon animals, magic shows, used to sell things on the markets. I worked for him. I had my own plastering business. I doing loads of paper rounds. I was just basically like an entrepreneur trying to find a way to make some money. Um, and when I was working on a building site, the builder said to me, "Do you know how much money this guy's making?" You know, and that was when I was just like, "Okay, I'm going to follow the money." Um, and and decided to learn about property and went on some courses. I read Robert Kiyosaki's book, Rich Dad Poor Dad, and ended up buying my first house, which was a no money down deal in 2009. And then I I joined a network called PIN, Property Investors Network, and they're all like property investors and I noticed that there was no discrimination even though I failed in school and even though I was like a nobody and in school, you know, when you've got like a brand, you're just a you're the class clown or you're a I'm now in the business world and I'm like maybe I can recreate myself. Maybe I don't need to be that person anymore. And I was in this whole community and people actually took me seriously. Got myself a little suit and I thought I got nothing to lose. I'm I was living with my mom and I got no outgoings or whatever. And I just followed the process of of of property. I in by the age of 19 I secured six property deals which I secured using purchase option agreement. So I had the option to buy it down the line.
Mh.
Um, and then I I wanted to make some quick cash, too, because I realized that buying houses does not make you rich fast. It's very slow. So, I started finding houses and selling them to other investors.
Okay?
So, I'd find a deal and I'd sell it. And I would then to show people what I'm doing and to show people what I'm finding, I started making videos right near the beginning of my journey and um put them on YouTube and then people would see them and be like, "Oh, can you find me a property? Can you find me a property?" So, I actually became a millionaire not from investing in property, but from finding properties, negotiating them at a really good price, and then passing them on to an investor. And I noticed, it's funny because when I used to sell on the market, getting someone to give you a pound was hard, but when I'm in a different environment, getting someone to give you £5,000 is easy. So that that blew my brain how it's harder to make £5 on the market in Warsaw than it is when you're at some swanky property investors network in Birmingham to make £5,000. So it's not about working harder, it's about putting yourself in different rooms and being in a different environment, a different network. So yeah, I became a millionaire by age 25. And because I was young, then people like Simon Zutshi from from PIN, Property Investors Network, he was like, "Man, can you come and share your story at one of my networking events?" And that was when I realized the power of one to many. So we're doing a podcast right now. We're having a conversation. We're recording it. We'd probably have a conversation without it being recorded, but now lots of people listen. And I realize actually if you've got a product or service to sell, if you can speak to lots of people all at once rather than one-on-one selling, then you it's working smarter rather than having 20 coffees and getting one sale. If you can speak in front of 20 people at once. So I'm now speaking in front of audiences and then I started my own education business. Started selling rooms every week with a thousand people in the UK. Um and and and my my whole my whole business life now I'm 35. So I've been now in business for like you know 16, 17 no more. I started when I was 16, 17. So I've been I've been more than half my life I've been in business. Um and I I can't do lots of things good. I wear slip-ons because I still struggle to tie my shoelaces, but when it comes to making money and business and stacking a deal and selling and marketing, um, I've excelled. And it's it's it's the game that you want to get good at. It's the g if you can get good at business. You're a musician. I learned to play the trumpet, bro. It's hard. Yeah. I got to level six, grade six on the trumpet. I joined a little band. I was in Warsaw Symphony Orchestra. Instruments are hard, but at least you can play the instrument. It sounds good. But some people spend their time getting good at computer games. Why not get good at business? To me, it doesn't make any sense. Everybody should get good at business. This isn't for everyone.
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So, you said you bought your first property at 19 with no money down.
17.
17.
Yeah.
How do you buy a property with no money?
Um, there's many ways. So, at 19, I bought six properties and that was I used something called a purchase option agreement. So, it's very, very normal to to do this, but it's just not particularly known. It's very, very, very common. In fact, I was in a podcast recently and someone said, you know, I've never heard that before. And I said, did you not tell me earlier that your dad is in property and owns a jet? And they were like, yeah. I said, he'll do this all the time. No, no, he's never spoke about it. He won't. He will. Ring him now. She rang him and he was like, yeah, I'll do that. So, it's it's very normal. Like I'm not a groundbreaker saying this, but basically you can buy a house but agree to pay for it in 10 years, but then when you take it over, you can start benefiting from the rent now. And then you save the rent and you use the rent to buy it in 10 years.
Okay. So what's the how does that benefit the person selling it?
It depends on their situation. So there's a lot there's a lot of people in 2009.
That was just after the crash, right?
So there's a lot of people that were shook. When people are scared, when people are shook, like now we're in we're in the UAE and people are a bit shook.
Mhm.
Even though we know it's totally safe, of course the market's strong. Like there's people that are a bit shook.
Y.
Oh my gosh. And and that's when opportunities come out. There's people right now in the UAE that are literally especially a month or so ago. I know cuz I was buying them that mate, they bought their off-plan properties. They put down 20%. And then the crisis happened and then they sold and lost everything. They were like, their next payment came up and I don't want to pay again. And no, you have to pay. The contract says you have to pay. But I don't want to pay but you have to. All right, then I'll just sell at a loss and lose my 20% I put down. They were so scared to continue that they lost and they were happy to forsake their 20%.
Right.
It's the same when I got in in 2009. There's people that bought a house. Now they've got to pay the mortgage. They've got to pay the mortgage.
Y.
Oh, but I don't want to pay the mortgage. I wish I didn't have this house. Well, no. I wish I could just sell it. Well, you can't because because it's now dropped in price and your mortgage is higher than the value of the house because there's just been a 20% drop. And then I come along and say, "I'll have it. I'll take it off your hands. I'll pay your mortgage, but I want it for free."
Interesting.
So, I'll take the house for free. Thank you very much.
And I But I'll take your debt with it.
You don't want your You don't want your house. You don't want your debt. You're scared. You want out? Give it me.
That's how people buy companies.
What gave you the
I've done it with companies, by the way. I bought I bought companies for free. I want your company. Oh, but but but I spent so much money and so much time. I want it for free. Give it me.
Mhm.
In your teens, how did you have the how did you have that level of conviction and knowledge to know that you could do that with six properties and
when I was 19?
Yeah.
Yeah. Um, because number one, I had nothing to lose.
But if if it had gone wrong, what would what would have happened? Just
if it had gone wrong, I guess I guess uh I would have gone bankrupt.
Yeah.
Like most billionaires do at some point in in their life. as it happens. I've never um been close to to that happening. But yeah, I would I would have just lost everything, wouldn't I? I'd have gone from broke broke teenager with nothing to oops, broke teenager with nothing again. Who cares?
Yeah.
Okay. No, I say I'm I'm intrigued cuz I know very I actually know very little about property property investing.
Well, you know about business stuff.
I know about business.
Uh I've never bought a property.
I probably will in the next couple years now that I'm a family man.
But but that's fine though. You probably if you you probably shouldn't buy a property to live in anyway.
Why do you say that?
Because it's a liability.
Okay.
It's the biggest mistake people make. Um I've done it because I got emotional and I've always regretted it. This is the thing. You're you're a young guy and you're on the up and life's going well. And if you buy a property today, guaranteed I can already I already know enough about you in three, four, five years you are going to be more successful than you are today. Yeah. You're going to have more. You might be twice or 10 times as rich. So, what's going to happen is in a few years time, you're going to want to upgrade. You're going to want a bigger house. You're going to want to live in a different location. But because you've just sunk a load of money in, now it's ah, I wish I hadn't bought that. So, I think you're better off renting where you live. I really wanted to buy and I was like, man, I really want to buy in Dubai.
Yes.
And my wife was like, but we did this in the UK and we regretted it because we bought a house for 3.5 million. No, three million. Oh, we bought it for 3 million. And then we spent half a million on it. Yep. 3.5 all in. And then after a few years when we wanted to move, we're like, we can't really rent it out because the mortgage payments are high are so high that the rent ain't going to even give us any cash flow. So, it's just money sunk in for nothing. It's not gone up in value.
That was really an emotional decision. And when emotions are high,
intelligence is low,
right? So when you're buy So so I was trying to do the same thing when I came to the I'm like we want to live in the palm. And I said to Amanda I said to my wife I'm like but the palm's really good. It's a really safe area. It's look and I'm trying to say it to her and she's like well if you really want to invest in the palm so bad to buy a house why don't we just buy a property on the palm that's actually an investment property. Maybe an apartment or something and then rent our actual home which we did. So we bought a property on the palm but we rented our actual home. And I'm glad we did cuz if we' have bought it it would have been the same story again. So for you, I would recommend people invest their money into their business. And if you want to invest it into investments like property and whatnot, I think it's a great investment, but don't tie it in with trying to live there because then that that's when people don't make money.
Got it. So when you consider property and the way you approach it, you view it purely from the investment and cash flow standpoint.
Not not always, but whenever I don't, it's it I have to accept that this is me being dumb now. Yeah, that's the emotions coming in sometimes.
Okay. Um, so tell me a little bit about the the journey. So, from being age 19,
Yeah.
buying these six properties, no money down,
fast forward gosh, 15, 16 years to where you are now. What was the process in terms of how you manage the different real estate investments in order to build up your portfolio net worth?
It's been a journey, man. And not not only has it been a journey, but someone once said that being an entrepreneur is looking back six months ago at your six month older self and realizing how dumb you were, but that happening every six months. Like I have tried so many different strategies and I've constantly been chang and listen with property it's a pretty safe investment. So even if you make dumb decisions it might hurt you like I'll give you some examples of some of the things I've gone so I I I wanted to diversify my portfolio. So I started buying random properties in loads of different towns in England. I want a different property in every town in England. So, I got all these little But then what the problem with that is every time you buy a property, you need a team. You need a maintenance man. You need a property manager. You need a team in that area.
Mhm.
But now I've got a I've got over a 100 houses in 100 different areas. So, I need a 100 different teams, which is stupid.
Yeah.
So it makes sense to have a group of properties in an area and then when you want to diversify move to a different area strategically have a group in that area. Um these are things that I've learned. Another thing that I learned is having a having a small deal like a very little tiny flip let's say is just as much effort as a big deal.
Mh.
So I had loads of little houses everywhere. But then I realized why not just do bigger deals. So then I got into the hotels.
Okay.
So I've got I've got like uh some of my hotels like they make more money than 50 of my little houses. And it's like it's just one one deal, you know? So bigger is better. But then at the same time, if you go too big and you haven't got the experience, you can lose a lot.
Okay. So, it's about what what what I would advise anyone to do is start with a really small deal and then every time make sure that your next deal was bigger than your last and instead of trying to have loads of houses, you just want to grow bigger bigger deals. So, but and everyone's different. Everyone's got a different risk appetite. So, so, so if I'm advising you one-on-one, I'll give you a completely different plan as to what I'll give somebody else. I might even say to you, don't do property.
You shouldn't cuz everyone's different.
Sure.
You know,
Who do you think that real estate investing is optimal for?
There's two big things going on that I've done. There's real estate investing and then there's real estate business.
Okay?
So, for example, me selling deals. I've got a deal sourcing business that does six figures a month, which is pounds, by the way, cuz it's not that impressive, is it in some places. Um but but but that's not I'm not investing in property. I'm finding deals and I'm selling them to investors.
Okay?
That's that's a business, my education business. That's not real estate investing. That's me consulting people, training people, how to invest in real estate. Then I've got uh rent to rent properties that you control. This is all business. But then you've got actually dumping money into real estate, which is hands off and passive. So I I I I think for a lot of people they shouldn't do the business side. They should just have a passive I'm just going to invest make passive have my money sat there growing. That's for them. But then for other people that have only got £10,000 20,000 they want to invest. Ah how can I invest this money into? And I'm like don't start a business. You need to turn that 100,000. You need to turn that 10,000 into 100,000 in the next six months. You ain't going to do that by even even no matter what country you go to, you're not going to 10x your money in real estate unless you start a business.
Yes.
You you know what I'm saying?
Absolutely. Do you think everyone is there? Do you think everyone's capable of doing that?
Of doing what?
Just being an entrepreneur, starting a business.
I think everyone's got different risk. Like some people just want to make three grand a month.
Y.
That's their goal. If they make three grand a month, for them that's a big win. Mhm.
Can Can anyone Can anyone do that? Yes. Can you make two three million a month? I mean, last month we did just over 3 million. Can anyone do that? No. Because they're not cut out for that. They don't want that. They haven't got the inclination for that.
Um, but can anyone better their life? This is what I was I was debating with Gary Stevenson.
Okay.
So Gary Stevenson who's very interesting guy and a lot of what he says is bang on the money but his conclusion in my opinion is warped and absolutely wrong but like he's saying to me we had a six-hour debate six hour debate. Can you can you imagine? Oh my goodness. But but but I was saying to him cuz he kept saying not everyone can do what you do.
Yes.
Not everyone can do what I do. And I'm like hang on number one Gary you're a multimillionaire. I'm a multimillionaire. We both came from nothing. How arrogant for you to say, "Yeah, we can do it because we're special." But no, I literally sat on a special needs desk. So, of course, anyone can be successful. But the second thing, Gary, is I'm not telling people that they can be multi-millionaires, but I'm telling people to take control of their life and better their life in a small way. Even if that's just making even if that's making an extra 500 bucks, which means that they can now have a afford a car and have freedom. Bettering your life. So, can anyone better their life? Yes. Um but but but can anyone be like Elon Musk a trillionaire?
No.
But but but why even limit yourself?
Yeah.
Why limit yourself? Could I be a trillionaire one day? Absolutely. Absolutely. Why not? Elon Musk is a genius and he he he's a trillionaire. He's the first one ever. But why why why limit yourself? You know, not about limiting.
I don't think he's the first trillionaire. I think he's the first recorded official one.
I think you're probably right there. I think you're probably right there. But, you know, he's he's certainly You can't comprehend that kind of money.
No, no, no. I like Elon. I had I had him on the podcast.
Elon actually endorsed me.
Endorsed you. How?
Yeah. He said I was a good man. He he retweeted me and said I was a good man.
Nice.
Yeah. I thought he's a cool guy. Have you had a chance to meet him?
I've never met him.
Okay. You will?
Yeah. Do you reckon?
Yeah, I think he will.
Yeah. I mean, he probably doesn't really like, you know, know me like that. I think you might have just seen one tweet and been like, "Oh, yeah, good man."
You'd be surprised by um I mean, you you see it yourself.
Yeah, he's been on the podcast.
No, you had Elon Musk on the podcast.
Yeah, I was going to see him a couple weeks ago, but um it clashed with my my son's my son's first gift.
That is I didn't know that. That is huge.
Wow.
That's crazy, mate. Well, if you see him, tell him I'm a I'm a huge fan and thank you for for the retweet because that was that meant a lot to me because at the time as well, I was getting criticized a lot because I had basically I had a um a one of my hotels. I got contacted by a company that wanted to put um asylum seekers in it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um and I didn't feel comfortable with it.
A company or the government? How does that work? I'm kind of actually kind of curious.
No, no, sure. Well, it was a company that approached me, but the usually these housing associations, they get grants and funded from the government.
Okay.
So, this company approached me and said, "I want I want to take on your hotel. I want to rent the whole the whole thing." And I was like, "Okay, let's talk." And he offered me, you know, very very decent, very good money for it.
Mhm.
And I said, "Okay, let's go through the terms." And he sent me a heads of terms. And the heads of terms, uh, you know, went over all the points. They were going to be 100 responsible for maintenance and all that. It was a 10 year, was it a 10 year or a seven year long long lease. Um, and then it said that the uh when it when it when it talked about what it would be used for, it said asylum seekers.
And I contacted them and said, "Oh, what what's the crack here?" He's like, "Oh, well, yeah, we've got, you know, government and this is what we do." And I thought, man, listen, I'm not like um I'm reasonably balanced in my political stance, and I understand that things are complicated and nuanced, but for that hotel in that area, I just didn't want to rent it to asylum seekers because I didn't feel like it was fitting with my vision. And so, so I said no on principle, even though the money was good. And um and and and I got a lot of flack for it. And a lot of people I was called um you know, I was called a lot of names and stuff and I and and sometimes when you're trolled a lot on social media, I know I've got thick skin but everyone's human at the end of the day and if lots of people are saying lots of nasty stuff about you all the time, it's a bit like and I was getting a lot of hate over this and it didn't bother me, but you know, it's not nice and then when Elon saw the story and and actually backed me up and was like this good man d um, you know, it kind of made me think sometimes we worry about the opinions of of internet trolls on the internet who are anonymous and whatever, but when you got the richest man in the world saying, you know, saying that it for me it was a really um it was really cool and and and I I was very pleased. So
that's like my claim to fame now.
Okay.
Yeah. Well, I think that um in the next in the next decade or two, it's already been happening for the last two decades, but I believe that all good people of sound mind and good heart who are genuinely seeking and speaking the truth will find each other.
All of them.
Yeah.
Like I've known who you are for over 5 years and I when your team reached out about doing a podcast like I knew I'd meet you at some point. It just like it just seems inevitable. Even though we're we're in different fields, we've come from, you know, different walks of life or whatever. But if you keep putting out your signal and you keep talking, I keep putting out my signal and I keep talking somehow someway through the power of the internet and social media, our paths will inevitably cross. And that's why I said, "Yeah, I think you will need Elon."
Because it's it's remarkable, especially over the past seven years for me. I've connected with just across the entire world. If I just think of the people I've connected with or podcasted with or just met in person, it's it's incredible. Like that theory is just happening in a way in a way it's it's never happened in human history. People used to be far more isolated. If you're over in the UK, you're over in the UK. If someone's in the Middle East, they're in the Middle East. if someone's right. The ability for all these people to broadcast and
it's funny you say that because one of the really interesting things is for years people have always labeled me as controversial.
Mhm.
And I've always said to people when even when I'm sat on podcast with people and they'll introduce me and they'll be a little bit hostile. I'm quite used to that. But and they'll, you know, introduce me. You said to me, didn't you, "How do you want to be introduced?" I'm like, "Whatever. Whatever you want, brother. I'll do an Eminem. I am whatever you say I am." You know what I mean? like whatever. Um,
and I've always asked people when they've said that, what what have I actually said that's controversial? Exactly. I'm curious what's controversial. Is it something I've said? Is it something?
And there's no answer. It's just like you're just controversial, but I don't actually Yeah. I mean, I might have done a few um, you know, uh, funny videos or humorous things, but generally like what actually is controversial? I'm just a businessman who makes a lot of money, who shares and documents it on YouTube. I'm I'm really curious and no one's given me the answer, but I do feel that now there's been a turn in the last sort of like 12 months or so and now it's like, oh, actually, I'm not controversial.
Yeah, I miss I miss it a little sometimes. From like 2019 to 2022, I could just say like anything that's true and obvious and it would go viral just because people were so unhinged and so deluded. I mean, I don't know if you you saw what actually
No, I didn't.
All right. So, in um there was something that happened in February 2019 which like catapulted me into a lot of people's uh psyches and onto their screens. So, this is when I was still living in the UK. Um and I was I was really just doing music. I just started my podcast, but um back in February 2019, I chose to identify as a woman and I broke the British and I broke some British women's powerlifting records. So, I broke the deadlift record and I and I broke the bench press record for women.
Wow. I might have heard about this.
A lot of people did. It went very very viral. So that was for me of all my years grinding with my music and doing all the things I do. That was the stupid thing that put me
actually dress up as a woman or
No, I just identified. Isn't that how it works?
Okay.
Isn't that Isn't that the rule?
Okay.
You just identify anyone who says they're a woman.
That's what I was told. So yeah, I did that and it went it went crazy. USA, Australia, Canada, UK just it went went nuts. And um that's how so many people ended up discovering me. Oh,
why did you do that then? What was what what what was the rationale? I know you're interviewing me, but I'm I'm curious
like what what what made you want to do that?
Well, you remember from about 2015 to 2023, even today to some point, there was this mania, gender mania going on where suddenly by magic um people by the millions were pretending that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man if they say they are, if they identify as such. It's false. It's not true. Um, and there were males competing, and there still are males competing in female sports and going into female prisons and female changing rooms and spas, etc., which are exclusively for women, by saying that, well, I identify as a woman. And so, in order to not just tell why this is absurd, to show it, I'm a big strong man. I've been training for a while. I've got some pretty strong lifts. I was like, "Oh, okay. I can all all my PBs are already above the the British women's records. So rather than explaining this more to people, why don't I just identify as a woman and break the record? And
so you you were just trying to show the injustice to competing in sports when
Yes.
the absurdity of the claim that a man can be a woman and the absurdity of saying that if someone claims as such then they should be allowed to compete against women in their sports. Um, and at that time, if you think back to 2019, seven plus years ago, um, a lot of people were afraid to say that. People were afraid of being labeled transphobic or anti-LGBT or bigoted or whatever.
Yeah. I mean, so I just took it I just took it in.
I've never been somebody that's really bothered me. I I think people can be whoever they want to be. And I'm not um I'm not that I'm not really too triggered by anything in in in that sphere in terms of like maybe I'm Call me liberal.
You have daughters, right?
I've got daughters. Yeah.
And you have a wife?
Yes, I do. How would you feel if there was a male in if you do your daughters do I don't know how old they are but if they were competing in sports in school sports and there was a boy on the opposing team pick their sport. It could be rugby. There's a boy on the opposing team who has grown a ponytail and says I'm a girl. Would you have a problem with that?
You know what? I don't really like to do hypotheticals. That's never happened.
But it might I've spoken to a lot of parents who have.
Yeah. Yeah, if your wife were in a female junior more and there were a bloke in there me more is when they come ninth place and still get a prize because they tried.
It all comes from the same thought.
You think so?
Yeah. Yeah. It all comes from the same thinking patterns. I
I mean I my attitude is very much do whatever you want. Have fun.
Mhm.
Be be who you want to be. Get wealthy.
Mhm.
Um, and
but what about when it crosses into other people's other people and it affects them?
Yeah. I mean, if I if if if my family were affected by something, um, you know, my my little girl does boxing, you know, she got beaten up by a boy who said, then obviously,
but you're aware that that's happened in real life, right?
Yeah. Yeah. It's not it's I'm not I'm not I'm not even trying to debate. I'm just saying
I'm curious to know your perspective cuz I know you're I know you're a rational man, so
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm actually a bit surprised that you're not more opposed to it.
Oh, okay. Okay. No, I I'm not I don't have a strong opinion. It's just not something that really upsets me because I think that if somebody wants to um, you know, call themsel a different name or be a different Okay, have fun. Maybe I'm a little bit liberal.
What What if What if you do you think you should be forced or compelled to entertain it?
No, absolutely not. I think people should just be left alone. I think the government should stay out of everyone's life.
Sure.
and and and and people should um not have to ever tre on eggshells. I believe in free speech, but but but but I think having the the first step and I said this off camera, the first step to being united has been able to talk about stuff and as soon as you get PE most people that are crazies, they won't actually dialogue. They'll just have a really strong opinion and then if you try and have a conversation that they'll get heated or want to, you know, for me that that's crazy.
Yeah.
I'm just chill, bro. I'm just like
I'm chill too, bro.
You know,
I've I've always been chill, but um like I said, and I don't think what you did I think what you did was a good you were showing the point.
No, what you were doing is you were taking it to the end degree.
Exactly. You know, I think that's good. You're making people think and you're like, "Okay, if you say this, what about if I That's that, you know."
Yeah.
But I also here's here's the thing with me. I am a misfit and I've never fitted in. And when you get people, you know, that might be misfits.
I I'm just like, yeah, come together. And you can be a misfit. I'm not saying um I'm not even talking about any particular person or people group, but I'm just not about um, you know, picking on picking on people or you know what I mean?
I'm I'm with you on all of that.
Yeah. I'm just about, you know what, just I think loving people and just being gracious and extending grace and um letting people do what they want to do in their in in in their in their private in their private lives.
That's that's see that the thing is that's that's not that's not my argument or nor nor most people's, right? It's it's like for our entire lives since before we were born, there have been people who are crossdressers or who uh are, I don't know, drag queens or they feel this way or they feel that way. People can identify as whatever they want. As soon as someone tries to compel myself and everyone else's speech, as you were saying, or create actual injustices by throwing males into female spaces, um, then I have a problem with that. Or when people try to force others to deny reality, right? Like I'm not super passionate about geometry, but if there were someone claiming that this table here is square and that I'm a hateful bigot, if I don't agree with them that it's square, I can see it's round, but they're trying to force me to believe that. Then we're going to have a problem. If in your own mind you want to believe it's square, God bless you, sir. I disagree with you.
You call me what you want, but the square is green. Okay, have a lovely day. I'm going to get rich, but meanwhile, I'm going to build my business.
Yeah. Live live and let live is a two-way street. And sometimes people um sometimes people forget that part.
Do you know what it is as well? Um I think Zubie, there's certain mountains that you you you want to die on and there's certain mountains that you just like.
Yeah.
A man can't be a woman. I'm dying on that one.
Yeah.
Right. Fine.
And a woman can't.
You know, if you if you've seen that and you're like, for me, the mountain I'm dying on is the the the fact that the the fact that I will speak against how the banks make money.
Mhm.
and speak about the the the rich and poor dividers of the mountain in our dion. You know what I mean? And it's funny because Gary, this is where Gary economics and me, they might think, oh, there's a bit of crossover. We are very different because his solution is vote green party and wait for the government to to to change it all. Um whereas my solution is take control. We create our own life.
Yes.
You know, um but I think they the the UK has gone crazy.
What do you mean when you say that?
I I mean um the fact that the fact that in the UK you are ostracized and persecuted like me for example, I was talked about in parliament and the Labour MPs were literally calling out my name and and and and you know ridiculing me
for what?
For talking about how to mitigate your taxes. M
I mean we we've gone crazy. How can people just accept that you're going to give half your money to the government as a hardworking class person meanwhile the people who are wealthy are quietly laughing and paying 5% taxes. And then when I come out and say actually here's how here's how you can mitigate your taxes. I'm then ostracized, persecuted in the media and laughed at in parliament. M
that's m that's my mountain. That's what upsets me cuz this is literally robbing people and the elites, you know, who say one thing in private and another thing in public, you know, that that that that's my mountain.
Um cuz cuz cuz rich people rich people hide.
Elon Musk doesn't.
When you say rich people, who do you who are you talking about? I'm talking about anyone that's got a fair, you know, millions of pounds. They hide. They don't they don't talk about what they're doing on social media.
Oh, I see what you mean. Okay.
They don't tell people what they're doing. Why? Because they know they'll be persecuted.
They'll be persecuted. If you if you're making a lot of money and then you're sharing basic stuff. It's like when I said about how rich people buy properties using lease options. Why don't rich people ever say that? Cuz the thing I say something really interesting as well. I've got an education company. My education company makes 5% net profit.
Now, you know, as someone that's business savvy, that's very very very small.
We actually have lost money more years than we've made money.
So, but but the the assumption, the way that the media will talk is, "Oh, he's just trying to sell a course."
I don't even sell courses. I have mentorship programs. I'm a consultant. I'm Right.
But but the mindset is is is is keep people poor, keep people uneducated. And I think a lot of the stuff you're talking about like the the the um the craziness of the race wars, the sex things and all the stuff. It's I honestly think a lot of it is just to cause bitterness and hatred. Same with the black black lives matter and all the stuff with that. It's like clearly there's a lot of stuff like black lives matter which I I'm sure you probably agree with me from from speaking with you seem like a rational person. It's stupid.
Yeah.
Right. It's ridiculous. It's abs. I'm married to a black person and you know sometimes I forget that I'm not black.
I do genuinely. I forget that I'm not black.
You can identify, bro.
Right. I actually had a video go super viral. I think it was not even on my channel, but like one of my most viral ever clips was uh I got in a I got in this debate in the UK actually, you know, on this whole transgenderism issue thing with a with a a young a young black woman and um I was explaining to her how actually trans So I was saying, oh, I was asking her about um if you know a white man can identify as a black man, vice versa, and so on. and and she kind of she drew she drew the line there and I was like, "Wait, hang on. Transracialism makes more sense than transgenderism.
It makes more sense for you to identify as a black man than as a white woman.
Makes more sense. You're closer to that.
I definitely feel closer.
Well, okay. Well, well, well, think about this. Think about your children.
Yeah.
Are your children black or are they white? Uh, they're probably black because because they look more they look more black than white, I would say.
Okay. But the fact that they might be considered black or Barack Obama might be considered black or Drake might be considered black despite, you know, 50/50ish. Right. That actually is a social construct.
Right.
Right. So, the people who say gender is a social construct,
There's there's two sexes. There's male and female. You have a child, boy or girl. Right.
But in terms of their race, quote unquote, I mean, how do we even define those things? It's not a binary, right?
>> No, it's not binary.
>> No, it's it's it's very complex, right? My wife is Latina and her parents are from different countries and there's even some Chinese. My son has some Chinese and some, you know, half Nigerian, but there's like there's a whole mix, right?
>> So, in terms of like what we call that, he's a boy.
>> He's a boy, right? Boys, girls, like that's clear. So like like with people that win black awards and and you're like
>> exactly exactly right.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> There there we go. Right. So So that's actually a much more fuzzy category.
>> Sex is binary.
>> Yeah.
>> A or B. Right. Whereas this is like a very blurry. There are hundreds. There are thousands of different mixtures that can happen. So how someone actually is like oh well I you know my grandma's from here and my granddad's from here or whatever. It's actually
>> although in social construct I am objectively a white man. Yeah, I'm a white dude.
>> Sure, that that's that's I'm not saying it wouldn't be silly for you to say you're black, right? I'm not saying
>> have my guy agree. I have I'm saying it would be completely absurd.
>> It's it's less absurd than you
>> trying to say I'm a kid.
>> You're a woman. Like you're not like you're not a woman, but biologically you are male. I am male.
>> I'm not even going to try and debate you on this.
>> It's not even meant to be a debate. I'm just I'm just saying, right? You know, as as two guys who have quote
>> you studied this this sex thing a long time.
>> It makes it makes more sense, right? Like it it makes no sense for someone to embrace the concept of transgenderism and then say, "Oh, transracialism, that's ridiculous, right? You can't just be, you know, you can't just be Japanese or Asia." It's like, well,
>> actually, what on what basis are you saying the first one makes sense
>> and then the second one is ridiculous, right? But I was saying anyway about Black Lives Matter, I was saying a lot of the stuff that you see about like even this this this uh recent, you know, there's a lot a lot of stuff about race.
>> It never ends, bro.
>> But the thing is what it's doing is it's causing everyone to hate everyone.
>> And now in the UK, it is I feel like we're verging on a civil war and people are getting stabbed and beaten up. Like there was a guy recently who set fire. It was it was um I think it was an English a white English dude I think who set fire to a Muslim's house
>> like an iman and it's like
>> but wasn't this in and this was in response to someone trying to behead someone wasn't it
>> trying to what
>> wasn't there there was an attempted beheading like a week ago
>> and then there were ri in Belfast
>> right
>> and then there were riots in response to it
>> so it's like where does it stop
>> yeah there's there's there's there's illegal immigrants that are killing uh people and and and and and whatnot. So, does that mean that we should just go and kill all illegal immigrants? Like,
>> there was the guy the the the disgusting and this is where the the whole wokeism is is is vile when you the police officers um you know the kid Henry that got stabbed.
>> Yeah.
>> And then the police officers came over and were they were so uproar and and and scared to be racist that they were just not right. We're going to hang of this guy and he's like, "Man, I've been stabbed. I'm dying. I don't think you have, mate. You're racist."
>> M
>> that was their mentality cuz they're they're so pathetic
>> and it's outrageous.
>> Um, but then the other the other side
>> are then
>> now now hating on all
>> se and the whole thing is just um I I think a lot of it is is on purpose because the the newspapers want to sell newspapers and they know that the biggest way to do that is to cause outrage.
>> Yep.
>> And and and and we are not the United Kingdom. We are the divided kingdom
>> and the thing I love about
>> business
>> is
>> now it's just business you know I can be with um and that people are now you know what's really funny this is crazy I used to be seen probably a few years ago as like probably people people probably would have said I was really far right
>> okay that's how people saw you
>> probably I don't know it depends on who you ask but I was certainly very offensive
>> okay
>> I had a lot of people um not do business with me because they were I was I was offensive. Like people the BLM
>> side I made a joke um about the ridiculousness in in 2020. I was I was having a barbecue with my family and the police came and closed us down.
>> Oh gosh.
>> And and and meanwhile there was Black Lives Matter protest and I just said I just said I should have got my misses to bring a Black Lives Matter ban and we could have had a barbecue piece
>> cuz it's obviously outrageous. It's stupid. But as a result, I offended some people. Um,
>> you know, so but but it's funny because now now they might I'm sure some my views haven't changed that you know it's hilarious that the now people are getting upset with me for doing Islamic finance. You shouldn't do Islamic finance.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And they're all annoyed that I'm doing I'm I'm providing Islamic finance cuz I want I want to help um my
>> Can you just explain what you're doing there for context for people?
>> Yeah. So, Islamic finance is where uh so so basically um Muslims there a lot of Muslims don't want interest
>> because it's against their religion. So they as a result they can't do deals, they can't buy properties, they can't some of the strategies I teach it restricts them. So I got an Islamic scholar a few years ago to help me set up Samuel Le's Islamic Finance. So when I loan my money to people, I loan millions by the way. It's part of my business. It's really good business. But I loan a lot of money to people. But when I got Muslims that like, ah, I wish I could tell them I can't. What we've done is we've set up Islamic finance where we give them money and it's structured in a different way, which is halal. And they and they can still buy properties and do stuff with this way. But but but the the white people and the non-Muslims, they get all offended. It's like it's not like I'm giving them free money. Like chill, right? But the thing is now people are saying Samuel leads a you're pandering. You're so woke. It's like no, I'm just business man. I just want to make money. I'm getting paid. But then those people that are saying that these the these uh these people all like telling me telling me I'm I'm woke 5 years ago. were clapping for the NHS and were posting a black Instagram screen
>> in 2020 because they're afraid to be cancelled. Meanwhile, I was laughing at them.
>> But now I haven't changed.
>> I'm just doing my thing. I'm just all All I've ever cared about is one thing always. Business.
>> Yes,
>> that's it. I'm just a businessman.
>> Do you know what it is though? It's when you have a large platform and hundreds of thousands or millions of people know who you are and they're seeing you and they're following you and so on.
>> There are a couple different things I've happened that happened and I've really observed this over the last 20 years. Um, number one, of course, is that people think they know and understand you more than they do and more than you do yourself. Right? So everyone who's say an online personality to some degree you're viewed as a caricature, right? So people see a couple of videos and they hear a couple things and it's like okay I know who that guy is.
>> Yeah.
>> I know who he is. And and with that come all the beliefs and the biases and the prejudices positive or negative that people may have and may feel. And so when something deviates from that or it challenges that view that they have of you, it causes some level of cognitive dissonance because it's like, wait, I thought this was this person. I thought I knew all this and then he's doing this, therefore he's a sellout or he's flip-flopped or he's changed or what and people have a very strong reaction to that. And then the other thing that happens is everyone wants you to be on their team. This is a human thing and it's exacerbated online, but people want you to be on their team and they want you to also be their mouthpiece. So most people, 99% of people on social media don't have even 5,000 followers, right? If you have over 5,000 followers, I think if you have over 2,000, you're probably in the 1% in terms of following, right? So when they see someone with millions, they don't necessarily want to hear your opinions or your thoughts. They want to hear their thoughts and their opinions coming out of your mouth.
>> So when you do something like that, it causes this no like why isn't he saying that it it's just like when
>> when a conflict breaks out somewhere in the world and I'm sure you've dealt with this, right? And you're someone who doesn't even talk you're you're not a political commentator. No.
>> Okay. But still I'm sure that when Russia Ukraine kicked off, you had people saying like why you you need to say something about That was the one Palestine or BLM.
>> I'm like, no, I'm not saying anything about Palestine. They're like, you need to post this. You need to post this. I'm not posting nothing. And the same with BLM. You have to post a black square. Shut up, man. I'm not posting a black square. Why do I have to post a black square? I now I'm rebelling against you for trying to make me post something. I don't even know what it means. Maybe it's a great thing.
>> No, that that's what happens, man. They want they want you. They think if I had this platform, if I had a big platform,
>> I would post a black square and it would change everyone's life. Exactly. And we'd be we'd have world peace because Samuel Leeds posted a black square.
>> Exactly. So that's why like cuz I've thought a lot I get gosh Lord knows how many hundreds of thousands of bizarre weird comments and messages I've got.
>> But I think you're right though, I think I think people see me do something like for example when I'm um you know uh talking about restoring churches and trying to buy churches and keep churches open and and and and and people are like oh you're my hero and then and then they'll see I do Islamic finance and go
>> you're a sellout. What is wrong with you? It's like what?
>> What?
>> And and it's also and on that top
>> I have to hate I have to hate um I have to hate Muslims now because because I'm a Christian and because I'm all about building churches, restoring churches, and now I have to bash
>> Muslims. Not only do I not want to do that, but I don't even think that's strategically a good thing to do because
>> the way to win people's souls and the way to win people over is not to hate on them. Hate on them.
>> It's it's to actually extend a bit of grace, understand them.
>> Mhm.
>> that that is that not is that not just obvious?
>> Um, you have to keep in mind I mean I it's hard to find the exact stat, but I think something like only about I think it's between 10 and 20% of people in the world have ever left their home country.
>> And we've been we've both been to 47 countries we've worked out.
>> Exactly. So you have to think like most people and this is not unique to people in the west or people like just most people around the world do not know much about what other people outside their borders.
>> So so much stuff is built up on media narratives and individual inc uh incidents which create a lot of controversy and so on and people paint their picture like that. Most people I'm not even trying to like down talk people but most people are not very sophisticated thinkers and most people haven't been to many places and they haven't met very many people. So if you are I don't know you're from you're born and raised in Walsaw
>> and maybe you've been to London once or twice but generally you're just you know in that area and you've just met the people around there. You don't know much about the rest of the country let alone the rest of the world. And then it's very easy to just have like very simple just kind of black and white narratives about what humanity is and what things mean. So there's not a lot of room for nuance in that type of thinking of oh wait how can this guy be doing this but he's also doing this? How can this guy say this but he also associates with this person? Right? I've done over I've done over 500 podcasts, right? um you know some with very controversial people, some with just all sorts. And it's very weird doing interviews because uh people like to do the again people like to do the association thing, right? So there will be someone who doesn't like you who says, "Oh, there'll be someone there will be someone who watches this or who hears about this podcast who has a negative view of you and a positive view of me." And because we've sat down and had this conversation in their brain, they're like, "Oh, I used to like and respect Zubie, but then he had this guy on who I don't like. I They don't even know you, but like, oh, I don't like him, so now I don't like
>> I don't like Zubie. Oh, he sat down with, you know, I used to be a fan, but now I've lost all respect for you because, you know, you spoke to so and so or or or they'll even do it with
>> I've probably had so many podcast hosts cancelled by just being on their show.
>> Of course, you know,
>> you spoke to Andrew Tate.
>> Yeah.
>> So, now I'm not going to talk to you. There's people who they they think like that and it's just
>> Oh, man. I I I have that all the time. And and and you know what's also interesting is I'm a Christian, right? So predom f first person in my life that I'm going to not not only my savior but my my my my example is Jesus Christ. And one of the things that people accused him of the most was who he hanged out with. Have you seen who he hangs out with? Have you have he's with this person? He's with that. He'd sit with the sinners.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, he'd sit with people that the outcasts.
>> The outcasts.
>> And and the people that he would call out would be the poisonous vipers would be the hypocrites. Yes. They'd be the the important people and you know that that that were oh snoot and he'd be no and expose them. I relate to that.
>> That's why I don't go after different people groups and different even black lives matter. Like I see I see some black people and you know they're really angry and about about injustices and police prejudices and different things like that. And listen, there might be a grain of truth. My attitude is generally don't be a victim and and and and I think that it's a bit I see some stuff and I think it's silly, but at the same time I I don't want to if someone's hurting and someone's angry and someone's I'm not going to help by saying by calling them out or telling them not to be a victim or do you know what I mean? I'd rather just lift people up a bit. You know, you said you said something very interesting there because I'm just thinking of how in terms of communication, there's always a difference in the the format, right? Whether it's one-on-one versus one to many.
>> Yeah.
>> and also just the the medium and there are things that so if I'm if I were talking to someone onetoone then the whole don't be a victim narrative and going into the sort of you know listening to their perspective and so on and leading them down that way is very often how you genuinely can help that person because if someone's locked in a victim mindset they're not going to be successful period
>> um but if it's a 30-second one to many click clip and that's just put out there with no context and without the person on the other end thinking like you've heard them first, then it can come off as abrasive.
>> And that's that's one of the big issues with social media, right? It's why people are just mis misunderstanding and misinterpreting people in all directions cuz it's very it's very quick.
>> It's short. You know, we're having a long nuance conversation, but from this someone will take it and take a 40-second clip and, you know, take it out of context and post it somewhere. And then people are now arguing and fighting about what was said in that 40 seconds. Um, I found that generally speaking with most people, unless they're just like really really far gone. Um, number one, you can have conversations with most people and most people are more reasonable than the internet would have you think. Um, and yeah, I don't know. More people need that message. Well, I've sat with a lot of socialists, people that are far-left, people that even hate me
>> and I've said because I love doing debates and things like that. I find it really fun.
>> And 99% of the time they actually like people have said online, Samuel Lee, you're a scammer. You deserve that, you deserve death. You know, and then they've sat in front of me and they've been like, well, no, no, no. What? So, yeah. And I'll be gracious. normally I I'll let it slide.
>> Um, but it is it is it is interesting and that's why I think long form conversation is is is the one and and I don't think that the elites and the government even want us to be united
>> and and standing together.
>> Um, I think that they want us divided. They want us arguing. And when we're arguing and distracted talking about BLM and talking about this, that and the other, then what happens is they then bring in taxes and stuff and we're too busy to even there's a lot of things that come in
>> that aren't even in the news and aren't even talked about and we're so busy, you know, arguing. It's to divide and conquer. Um, but what what I was saying earlier, what I love about business is that no one cares. And what I love about my community that I've built, which I'm really proud of. So, we got over 2,000 members
>> on the academy and we got 55 networking groups that meet meet up all across
>> Oh, amazing.
>> All across the UK. We're starting we're starting one in in the UAE as well next month. So, it's a lot of networking events. Thousands of people every month. But you can go into a room where there's like a thousand people and it's just like you got black people, white people, you got men and women and different ages and races. You got people in their 70s and people that are 17 and everyone's just together. Yes. equal equal playing field that makes me happy
>> and um you know, I don't know that's my vision for for for for for the world really.
>> Yeah and I I think that's I genuinely do believe that in most I'm not going to say in all countries but certainly in certainly in Western countries and I'd say in most countries around the globe that's how in real life that's how most people are.
>> Yeah. Of course, there are bigoted and prejudiced and genuinely nasty and hateful people, but they're pretty they're relatively rare as a percentage
>> of the human population. Most people can at least at a minimum get on and be reasonably civil.
>> Um, you know,
>> the media and social media, it's it's interesting because we there's so much to be grateful and thankful for. If we look at both what we've created and the things that we've done and the things that we do, it's enabled by that technology, right? Even bringing those people together in those rooms and crossing those divides,
>> that's what makes it all possible. Double-edged sword though on the other extreme, it allows that to be, you know, people to be more polarized than ever or the people who are really the nasty people and the haters and the people who do want to just stir the pot and agitate. um it makes it much easier there as well. So I feel like there's this in everything there's a constant battle between light and darkness and I just think this is the modern manifestation of it and you have people out there who are trying to seek the truth and speak the truth and genuinely help people and uplift people and put out these messages and then you've just got the you know whatever level of society they're at because you have the absolute bottom feeders
>> who are have the same strategy as the people you call the elites right there's nothing elite about them but the strategy is the same. It's like, hey, I can stir division, get people fearful, get people angry, teach you to hate that person, teach that person to hate this person. Um, instead of take telling people to take personal responsibility, let's blame this group, let's blame that group, let's blame everyone except, you know, the people printing infinite money and taxing everyone into oblivion and so on.
>> So, I don't know. I think uh the best strategy is for just each individual who is on that former side to
>> do the best with your personality, platform, talents, experiences, with your voice and your means to
>> you know try to try to shine that light
>> and stop and stop trying to change things that you can't control. Focus on what you can control. I think that's why Gary economics who says the solution is that we need a wealth tax.
>> Give even more money to the government
>> because we believe in the government and if if there was only a wealth tax then that money that that extra tax that would be the one that would change everything. The government would suddenly become wonderful and they'd and they'd get rid of all the come on it's ridiculous. I actually said to Gary I said to him I worked out the numbers. I haven't got them to hand, but we worked out the number. I said, "How much do you think then this wealth tax should be?"
>> How much do you reckon
>> it should be? And he said, "Oh, maybe 2%."
>> Okay.
>> I said, "Okay, 2%." I said, "If you took in the UK, if a wealth tax,
>> if we took 2% off of all of the rich people, I said, when you say rich, what are we talking?" He said, "Above 10 10 million." Okay, cool. So, if we took 2% of any of of everyone's wealth above 10 million, I calculated how many people are in Britain. And you know what it was? the average person would be around about £125 a month better off assuming that the government gave every penny to the working people, you know, the people that I'm sorry, number one, even Gary doesn't think it's ever going to come in.
>> Mhm.
>> He thinks a reform are going to get in and he thinks they're not going to bring in a wealth tax. But let's say Green Party get in, they bring in all of their degeneracy and a wealth tax.
>> Okay. If we pass a 100% of that wealth tax on, people are going to be £125 a month better off. Wouldn't it be better rather than waiting until 2029 to potentially get this wealth taxing force, even though all rich people have got their wealth in trusts and but but let's say they managed to get it. Let's say the GOVERNMENT GAVE EVERY PENNY to the to the poor and working class in the UK. Okay, maybe maybe one out of a million, you're going to be £125 better off, but by that time comes, inflation is going to BE YOUR ANYWAY. OH, COME ON. GET REAL. MR. ECONOMICS, FAKE ECONOMIST. DO I KNOW? I DON'T. THAT makes me question everything. I'm like, are you stupid
>> or are you being paid?
>> Which one is it? I don't think you're stupid, Mr. Gary Economics. I think you're being paid because the truth is you keep saying that no one can be as successful as I am who's starting from nothing, which is a lie. Yes, they can. I pray they'll be more successful. But what about if they could just get one property? and make 500 quid a month. Well, that'll be four or five times more valuable than the wealth tax and they can get it next month rather than next decade. Come on. I think just using common sense. The problem is um envy is envy drives a lot of politics.
>> Mhm.
>> Envy is it's a it's a horrible affliction.
>> People are envious. People are saying, you know, the fact he's a trillionaire, they're making out that he's Satan. But it's like, hang on. Do you not realize number one,
>> being a trillionaire don't mean having a trillion pounds in the bank?
>> He's not hoarding a trillion a trillion dollars. His businesses are worth a trillion dollars because he's created genius products and services, changing the world, and he's made more millionaires than probably just about anybody who who he's employing. So people people think that by punishing the rich, they think that they can become wealthy by taking from the wealthy. They think that you you're never you're never going to become successful by trying to take away from somebody. You have to create.
>> It's emotional.
>> Yeah,
>> it's emotional. It doesn't it doesn't matter to
>> This is my mountain, by the way, as you can probably tell.
>> Yeah, I can tell the passion. This is this is the passion.
>> Yeah,
>> this is the passion.
>> Your mountain is people identifying.
>> No, that's not my mountain. That's not my mountain. But um totally with this. Sorry, brother.
>> To me, re reality is very important.
>> Objective reality is extremely important. And if people are, you know, going to the stage where they're saying 1 plus 1 equals 5,
>> then I'll die on that hill, too. Again, not because I'm hyper passionate about mathematics, but because if you break that, then everything else that our reality,
>> I pulled all my kids out of school. We're in trouble.
>> I pulled all my kids out of school.
>> Okay.
>> Because I I was I I was I tell you, do you know what it was as well for me? It was the fact that when I'd go to parents evening,
>> it would just be so oppressive the feeling and like like it reminded me when I was at school. And by the way, I've got nothing bad to say about my school, right? I'm still in contact with them, my head teacher. And it's not any one school. It's the whole system is created to make people compliant, obedient slaves that don't speak out, don't think for themsel, don't um challenge.
>> Mhm.
>> I I mean, when I was at school, I used to get in trouble for cheating. And you know what? You know what cheating was? Cheating was just asking people that were smarter than me, can they help me?
>> That's just called, that's business. I used to pay the one of the smart kids at school. I used to pay her to help me with my homework.
>> Yeah.
>> And and I got in trouble for it. She now works for me.
>> I love it.
>> Right. Wouldn't it have been better if a schooler said that's really smart?
>> You've identified talent. You've got them on your team. That's smart. So the whole school system is created for absolute poverty. M
>> go to school, go to university. University is a complete scam.
>> Yep.
>> It's a complete scam. And I'm at university now. I'm in I'm going into my third year.
>> I wonder if they'll actually let me finish. Will they let me finish? Will they give me a degree?
>> Why not?
>> Too outspoken.
>> No, I'm not even outspoken. I don't speak to anybody. It's it's online. It's online university. But it's like I'm studying law.
>> I tell you what as well, the brainwashing. You would not like it,
>> you know? No way.
>> a constant pushing of um I don't think I've ever seen a family as a case STUDY IN MY ENTIRE TWO YEARS of university. A STRAIGHT WHITE family does not exist apparently in 2026.
>> Everybody is gay. Everybody is everybody is non-binary. Everybody now I haven't got a problem, you know this with people wanting to be gay or whatever I'm ALL ABOUT. BUT WHY IS EVERYBODY GAY? WHY IS EVERY SINGLE person non-binary? What is going on? And then they've got meanwhile they've got um right now Pride month.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Pride month in the UK. So that that that now that the constant pushing and sexualizing of children.
>> Mhm.
>> That I have a problem with.
>> Okay.
>> The marginalized person who who who wants to express themsel or identify how they want to. I'm not going to
>> It's all the same agenda, bro. What's that?
>> It's all the same agenda.
>> Okay, fine. But you know what I'm saying? Like when my kids are going to school and and and and and coming back with with reading books.
>> Oh boy.
>> Like, bro, I'm I'm putting them out. All of them. All of them. And I'm telling them why. You should see the letters I sent to my kids schools, bro.
>> I'd love to see them,
>> bro.
>> How How old are they?
>> Um range.
>> Eight and down. I got four kids.
>> Okay. I pulled them all out of school cuz I went to parents evening. It was all oppressive. Nice. Nice. Be a good boy. Come on now. I'd walk in and I would feel like a monster going into school. I was the only high testosterone man in the school. Everyone was wet.
>> Mhm.
>> All of the teachers, all of the parents, wet fishes. And I'd look I said to my mistress I'd say do you know I could every single person up you know there's not a single man in this whole building I wouldn't mash up in 30 seconds I'm tell my wife this she's like I know that's what you always say when we come to parents evening. I'm getting aggressive thinking about it. How can my my my boys how can my boys be surrounded by this? They all turn out to be [ __ ] and I will not tolerate it now. They must fight every day. My kids fight now. I make them fight. they have to go and fight. Um, and and and I pulled them all out and home educated them and now they fight every day. Even my girls have to do Muay Thai and and and they learn about business and they learn about if you don't know the answer, you know, you have to do find someone who knows the answer. Pay them. Oh, well, how do I get money? Good question. What a brilliant question. Let's study that, shall we? Let's come up with the answer. Teach them about inflation because people leave school, man. I I stood outside an economics university in Cambridge. People stud economics, they don't understand anything about economics. No,
>> they don't have a clue. They don't understand how money works, how the banks make. They don't have a clue
>> and they're poor.
>> And then they leave university and and end up getting a job in McDonald's.
>> Mhm.
>> I literally met somebody I employed, a lady that went to um university to study drama and spent 40 grand studying drama.
>> Mhm.
>> and then ended up a McDonald a very dramatic McDonald's worker.
>> Yes.
>> You know, this that's what the system is is a joke. It
>> happens by the millions, man.
>> Mate, it happens by the millions. So, so, so this this is my mountain and I'll keep teaching people. You know what I did as well when the government slagged me off, mate? You should watch that clip.
>> I will. Send it to me,
>> mate. She she stood up some freaking labor.
>> Of course.
>> Labor, of course.
>> Right. Labor.
>> and and and she was the same um MP who was pushing for abortions to be legalized until death, which is disgusting, by the way.
>> Y
>> which is disgusting. Outrageous. That is a man I will I will die on.
>> Yeah.
>> And she said, uh last time we spoke about Samuel Lubes in Parliament, he said that we needed to say it with chest, which is what I said.
>> Which is what I said. I said, you going to talk about them in parliament? Let's say it with chest. And then she said, "So, I'll save it with chest." And then she started attacking me about about how I I I gave incorrect uh tax information on on uh um how to save on taxes. It was not incorrect. She was wrong.
>> She was she was objectively wrong. And then what I did is I discounted my property tax course 90%. And I I gave a 100% money back guarantee. I said, "If you can prove that what I've said is incorrect, like Labour said, the truth is they just don't want you to see it. So, you can have it 90% off and if it if anything's incorrect, tell me and show me the law how it's incorrect and I'll give you a full refund. I'll even take you out for dinner as well cuz it ain't going to happen. They just don't want you to understand taxes. They don't want you to understand taxes. They want you to just pay. They don't want you to understand economics. They don't want to understand how the banking system works. They don't want you to understand inflation. They just want you to be a good boy. That's what it's about. You know, school, it's all about being obedient.
>> Of course,
>> it's about being compliant and being obedient.
>> You know, it's all based on the It was all based on the Prussian model. So, all the stuff you were saying about schooling, it's designed for that. Yeah.
>> It's just horrible.
>> So, yeah, that that's me. Um, it's funny people say I'm a I'm I'm I'm a I'm a I'm a lefty now. Am I a lefty? Maybe I'm a lefty. I am whatever you say I am, I'm just rich. And uh how did you make the decision to move to Dubai?
>> Um it wasn't actually uh a tough decision really. I I I just I I got I I said to Nigel Farage, I had an interview with Nigel Farage and I actually said off the cuff, I said, "If I don't get a Christmas card FROM KIAAMA, THANKING me for the contributions that I bring into the country, FOR THE FOR THE COUNTLESS JOBS THAT I BRING, FOR THE £8 MILLION in tax THAT I PAID IN THE LAST 12 months. IF I DON'T get a thank you card at Christmas, I'm out. I didn't get a thank you card. I left the next day. I left the next day. Oh,
>> maybe I'll come back when Nigel Farage gets in.
>> Yeah,
>> but for the time being, I am not being I don't mind paying taxes. I didn't move to try and avoid paying taxes. People say that we move to stop paying taxes. Do you not understand how taxes work? If I've got properties in the UK, I'm paying tax in the UK.
>> Yeah, people are stupid. But the bottom line is this. I'm not paying taxes and not being thanked.
>> Yeah. and being in that country and contributing to that country without being thanked. I'm at least going to enjoy some safety. I'm at least going to be in in in a country where my kids can walk around and I and my wife can go out for walks and I know I'm not going to get stabbed. I got stabbed as a kid. I got stabbed when I was 14 years old in the head.
>> Very very bad. And I'm not prepared to pay so much in taxes and not at least be looked after and safe and thanked. And that that is why I left. I'm happy to pay the taxes. I'm just not happy for the country to to be so messed up and ungrateful to my contributions. And and it irks me so bad. That's why I say the country's gone mad. Man, everyone I know, every British person I know who has the means and who is ambitious has either left or is or has considered it.
>> It's a great country without exception. It's a great country to to make money actually. It the UK is a good I think I think it's a very good country to
>> relatively on a global scale. Sure.
>> I think so.
>> Not compared to the USA, but on a global scale. Yeah.
>> Right. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Not the USA is the best, hands down.
>> Yeah. USA's
>> You can't beat the USA. The USA
>> in terms of making money,
>> I'm investing a lot into the USA now.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm investing a lot. I love the USA. I I love the UK.
>> Yeah.
>> But I just don't love the current government. and and and and and there's certain things that irk me too much and and we need to and we need to turn back to God.
>> Yes. Absolutely.
>> We people people the the parliament that lady I don't remember her name now that's talked about me in parliament needs to get on her knees and needs to repent.
>> Mhm.
>> That's what she needs to do. So that's my response to to Parliament. Repent.
>> Man, there's a lot more I want to talk about, but I want to be respectful of your time and we'll have to do another episode. Good one, bro.
>> Absolutely, man. I I I got the passion out in the end
>> when you were talking about sex and I was like,
>> I don't care. That's fine. Maybe you were like, man, I'm talking to a liberal. I'm like like this guy's squishy.
>> He's on THE WRONG TEAM. I PLANTED. HE'S PAID. HE'S GOT TOO MANY SPONSORS.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T MIND if you're woman if there's a bloke in the women's jing? Bro, I've got different mountains and and and I'm I'm all for the marginalized and and I'm a misfit myself. Um but but but no, I hear you.
>> Yeah, I hear you, man. What's uh what's what's next for you, man? What's um any any big thing you're excited about?
>> Uh change culture in the UK.
>> Okay.
>> Make people united and and financially free. Um and and and and and despite of the government. People say you should be grateful to the UK though cuz you became a multi-million. No.
>> What? Grateful to who? What do you mean the UK? The UK is a country. Who should be grateful to the government? I'm not wealthy because of the government. I'm wealthy despite of the government.
>> Yep.
>> But no, my my vision is to is to bring people together, mentor people. I want to I want to mentor the next generation. I want to I want to see people winning and and make it okay to win because you can't become successful while hating on someone else.
>> Absolutely not.
>> So, changing the culture um and and enjoying the journey. I love life. I'm I'm super happy. Uh I'm blessed with my family. Um I love living here, but I also love traveling. I'm a global citizen. I've got multiple homes in multiple countries and um and also expanding into the USA. Big the USA. Oh my good. I'm a big Trump fan as well. That also pisses people off of course cuz a lot of the Muslims they'll be like, "Oh my gosh, Sam's doing his own fight. We love him." Then I'll I'll post a Trump video. Oh no, we hate him. Like
>> a lot of them love Trump, too, though.
>> They do. They do. But but some of them don't.
>> Yeah. Well,
>> but but you know what though,
>> as it is with everything,
>> I I'm just all about making money. So So um I'm not If you think I'm not on your team, I'm I'm then because you're not on the right team because the team you should be on should be how do I better my life and get rich.
>> That's the team you should be on. So people just need to stop arguing about politics unless unless it's a sit down debate.
>> Yeah,
>> we should ban people from having an opinion unless they can defend that opinion.
>> How dare you say something on online without then sitting in front of somebody and having that conversation.
>> Straight to jail.
>> Straight to jail.
>> You should you should BE ABLE YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAY something unless you can actually articulate why you think that.
>> People in their feelings, man.
>> Yeah.
>> Samuel Leeds, thanks for coming on the show. Appreciate you, brother. Thank you. Appreciate it.