Trading Cards vs Trading Crypto w/ Cold Blooded Shiller

Yo, what is up everybody? It's your boy Maine here with another episode of the order book. This is going to be a great episode. It's going to be a lot of fun. I got my good friend CBS on. I'm going to be bringing him up shortly.

Uh, but it's an important time in the market, guys. Q1 of 2026 is now officially closed. It's over. So, if you're not at least 25% of the way through all those goals that you set for 2026, you better get on it. Uh, because Bitcoin, it's 23% down on the year. So, this is the worst start that we've had to a year in crypto since 2018. Almost a trillion dollars has fallen off of the market cap. 900 billion. Fear is has been shed from the market cap. Fear and greed index near all-time lows. Lots of talk around, you know, crypto is dead. Half of CT is basically pivoted to becoming macro geopolitical oil traders essentially overnight. Uh, some of these accounts were calling for 200k BTC back in October. Uh, now they're posting charts about gold and oil and the effects of uh, the war in the Middle East on these assets. So uh, crypto's chopped a lot this quarter. Uh, and uh, it's not really had the same benefit that gold had early on. Even equities had early on.

One potential positive thread here is that uh, ETF flows have changed in March. They were bleeding in January and February. Uh, but March, there's been a bit of a reversal in ETF flows. Is that mean anything in particular? Is it going to be more of the same? We'll find out soon. And I'm excited to get CBS's opinion on some of this stuff as well. But welcome back to the order book. Guys, as always, if you want to support the show, you know the best way to do it. Make sure you're liking, following all the social media pages. So, I'm going to bring up our friend here, CBS. Bro, how are you?

>> Thank you for having me. I'm uh, I'm very, very good. I'm very good.

>> Awesome, dude. We're stoked to have you here. We're gonna go over, guys, a little bit of um, charts, market talk, and then we're going to get into something different. It's been pretty boring, pretty doomer lately. All everyone seems to talk about is the war, all these terrible things that are going on. Meanwhile, our boy CBS here is printing uh, playing with trading cards, which sounds a lot more fun than trying to predict what oil's going to do and whether [snorts] or not Trump is going to tweet something that's going to cause the Strait of Hormuz to open or remain closed. So, real quick, man, what's your high time frame view on the market right now? Like, pretty obvious we're in a bare market, we're in a downtrend. Are you like a four-year cycle believer? Are you like, "Hey, this is standard fair. I'm looking to buy later." Or are you someone who's saying, "Hey, this is potentially a bottom or forming. Where are you at kind of high time frame with the market?"

>> Um, so, so higher time frame, I think that I I must sound real like pissy to start this off, but like I I don't think I can make a decision on the higher time frame based on where we are right now. It's like we're obviously, like you said, in a downtrend. I I don't see any reason for kind of that momentum to stop as as we are. But then the thing that I always throw back to myself is, you know, a lot of major stocks are all already down significantly. Um, there's already like really good discount available on the table on the trady side of things. Crypto is like a little bit more up in the air in terms of where we derive value, but like you look at some major stocks, you know, you're talking about corrections that you see once every six years. Like that's the average that we get these sort of percentage declines. And so when you look at that from a higher time frame view, you say, well, realistically, I should be able to buy here and that be a good buy when I look at it in 12 months, two years time, right? But it's it's difficult to narrow down past that probably at this point.

>> I kind of agree with you. It's funny. One of my my brothers um, you know, I told him I was like, "Hey, I'm a little I'm a little shaky." This was a couple months ago on on the indices. I know you're short the S&P, I believe, similar to me above 6,900 or so. I was like, "This looks a little shaky, at least for some sort of a pullback." Um, and you know, he's got a lot of money. He's he's he's a regular guy, works as a dentist. He's got a lot of money invested in, you know, the industry funds. And one of his arguments for, you know, not wanting to pull out is he's like, some of these companies are down a lot already and they've gone down even more in the last month. And it's like, you know, at what point do you just say, hey, this is getting to pretty deep value. And that's almost where I'm at with Bitcoin as well. Like, I do think it does go lower. I think it absolutely can, of course, but I do think it does go lower. But I also think we're well into this thing already. I mean, if we just look historically, we're several months into this bare market, October being the top. We're already 50 60% off the high. Maybe it goes down 70% or 80%. But like I do think long term we're we're approaching that kind of area of value on Bitcoin at the very least.

>> Yeah, I I don't disagree at all. Like I don't disagree on the the crypto side of things. I think that probably the killer for the majority of people has been the conditions. So like active trading in these conditions has been significantly more difficult and also the um, the outcome that BTC although it may represent value at this point like it just goes sideways for the next seven months and just continues to feel really bad. Um, but again, I think longer term value-wise, you know, again historically this market, other markets have shown that when you get these sort of discounts, it's usually still opportunity. Again, you just need to expand the time horizon.

>> Yeah. I mean, I I don't know how many times Bitcoin's gone gone down 50% and it's not been a good buy long term. It's just whether or not you have that patience. You can survive that period of sideways. Uh, because that's the other part of the bare market, right? There's the time aspect, there's the price drop, but then there's also like the volatility death where we just kind of go sideways and grind and it's like you want to pull uh, you know, you pull pull your hair out if you have any. Me, unfortunately, many bull markets ago that left. Uh, but it's just kind of trying to survive. Uh, and uh, I I totally agree. I totally get it. I think right now, I I don't know about you, but at least on my feed, I'm seeing a lot of people talking about like you need to lock in right now. You can't be missing these opportunities. They're making it seem like, you know, every day we're seeing these insane trading opportunities and I've been looking at the markets. I'm like, [ __ ] [ __ ] all is kind of happening in my opinion. I've been trading actually not that much. Clearly, you've been very busy on the trading card side. I I think this is kind of the time where you should be, you know, looking at other opportunities, maybe taking some time away from the charts because it wasn't that long ago where it did feel like you couldn't look away without missing something major.

>> Yeah, it's like it's one of those situations. I don't know. I don't know if people just do it just for the engagement in terms of, you know, like the [ __ ] about locking in and making sure that you're, you know, you're keeping your your self locked to your screen for, you know, 18 hours a day. But to me, it doesn't feel like the right environment. And it's not it's not to say that there's not value and opportunity and it's not to say there's not people who can't trade this well, but I think for the the everyday person, I think you're probably employing a strategy which is like buying on these sell-offs and like building your portfolio and then doing other [ __ ] with your life. Um, or it's a case of like you're actively trading but you have an edge in the market to be able to do that. But like your your everyday person, your everyday trader, this this isn't the conditions and it doesn't have to be. Um, you know, you can you can step away. That's fine. Um, too many people are kind of like determined to extract value. But the crypto market rewards you simply when it moves aggressively higher. Like that's when you get all this simple reward from the crypto market. And actually, the biggest thing you can do right now is not lose money, right? Is like save your money for when that situation occurs in the future because you know the moment you'll try and extract value and not many people view the outcome of just losing more money to this market. Um, you always want to you always feel like you're missing the chance. You missed the pump today. You missed the move on on the indexes today. But like it didn't really matter. This is all day occurrences, you know.

>> You know, it's quite funny. I I brought this up on my last video. I said Flood had a very good podcast he did where he said sometimes alpha is having that money, that dry powder when the opportunity is there and I think a mistake a lot of people make in these bare markets is they burn that money chasing these pumps, chasing these suboptimal conditions and then when it is time to pay attention, it is time to lock in, they have less money and at that lower price that money would have had more buying power. $10,000 when Bitcoin is at 40k is more valuable than $10,000 when Bitcoin's 70k. Uh, and I I think a lot of people struggle with the idea of not being in a trade, not being um, you know, speculating on a direction of the market, not having exposure, sitting in cash, not realizing that that in itself is a position and it's an expression of your opinion. And it's um, something that people will learn, you know, the easy way, the hard way. This is something both you and I preach all the time in the Haven. You know, take advantage of of this time because trading can feel like a marathon with sprints in between. Yeah. And um, you really want to be locked in in those times of sprints both mentally, physically, obviously with your bankroll as well. And don't take for granted when the market isn't so crazy and it's going to give you that opportunity to step away, kind of like what we're seeing right now. I think we both agree. Uh, and you know, sharpen those knives. You want to do something else, learn a new skill, work on your existing edge, back test, for test. There's so many things you can be doing right now that are probably a better use of your time. That being said, no one wants to hear doom or gloom. Oh, we don't know what's going to happen. Are there are there any positive things that you're seeing in the market? Whether it's, hey, here's where I might be buying Bitcoin. Hey, here's an altcoin. Like, I me personally, I've been telling people Hype is probably something I'm interested in buying low this bare market. I believe they proved themselves last cycle as one of those coins that will survive and persist. Is there anything you're looking at? Could be a stock, could be anything.

It's it's s like Hype number one. I'll cover that off. Like it's such an obvious outlier to the market. It's in such a good position. I actually think that today is a really good day for it as well because 35 is a really key level for Hype. So I really like the fact that we came back down into that level today. Um, so again, like, you know, jumping on the bandwagon. I'm sure lots of people who like Hype. Um, it is such an outlier and you're absolutely correct in terms of kind of what they've proved and it and it only seems to be getting stronger. Um, you know, we we know from the data that we see, you know, from Hype in terms of where the open interest is now and where the volume is for some of the pairs, you know, a lot of the market is shifting towards trady on Hype as well. So, um, you know, it's also interesting for us to see that, um, you know, kind of from a crypto perspective, you know, the potential impact of this on broader trading circles as well. Um, so Hype, the other one which is probably like, and I keep on posting in the Haven about this and I say I have no idea why this would do anything, but LDO is another one. Um, LDO has a really, really good 3-day bull and it's set up really nicely. It's one of those charts that you look at, you look at the bull div, you look at the highs, it becomes a very easy trade in terms of where you want to see it trade into. Um, there's like again, the the chart looks awful, but when you look down there at those lows, there's like a lovely set of highs to be able to take. And it's one of those charts that that looks as though it should represent like a 3% move, but it's actually like a 40% move if it if it makes that run to the highs. Um, so yeah, that's like another relatively interesting one to see some impulse through here. Um, and and the market in general, I think actually there's a lot of opportunities kind of like LDO in here where like some stuff's looking as though it could pull a move, right? It's like it's looking as though it it might take the chance of like doing something. Um, so you've got like decent moves all the way up here. Um, but the indexes have got a problem because S&P is at 6,500 and that's an really important higher time frame zone for it. So, if we get a reclaim then I think it's like game on for crypto and we might start getting some really outsized moves. Um, but I think what's quite important is kind of how we're trading around here. We're like trading into those like former daily lows where we've bounced um very strongly before. Um, and so I think yeah, this is like this is still unfortunately our market that we're like tied to in terms of outcome.

>> Yeah, I completely agree. I'm I'm kind of the mindset that if if equities here can break this kind of very aggressive downtending structure, like you look at the Dow, it's kind of peaking through its downtrend that's basically made from all-time high to here. Uh, S&P not quite yet. That it'll get to that level a little closer to like, you know, 65, 70, almost 6600. But if we're able to get through that downtrending structure, I think we could actually get a decent relief rally. Obviously, we've had a little bit of a pop today, but as we've known over the last few weeks, uh, these have been very quick to reverse and, you know, the next day it's erased all its gains and more. Um, but I would love to see a move up on S&P towards 6700, maybe even 6800. Not sure if it gets that high. And to your point, a little bit of on like Donkey Kong, a small window for crypto. And that really seems to be the the phase of the market that we're in. And that's not a bad thing where you just kind of wait for that alignment between equities, between some of these crypto charts, and then all of a sudden you can have a week or two of really great conditions, and then it's kind of back to the doldrums. And again, to what you mentioned earlier, um, you don't want to be pissing away your money before that period occurs because it might be once a month, once every two months till we get another opportunity.

>> Yeah. And and when you get that, I think you jam, right? Like I think that's that's what you have to, if you're if you're looking at trading, that's when you put your foot to the floor because that's the opportunity. Um, but even when you're showing like S&P downtrend, like you can you can tell how un like absolutely unforgiving the conditions have been just in the state of that downtrend. Like the daily candles are just back and forth. So even though we've been, you know, doing that 10% drop, it's just been so aggressive in terms of the back and forth nature and also those like little fake out moments where you think a bottom could be in and then suddenly, you know, the next three-day candle closes and we've actually made a fresh low, right? Like and then we get a nice big rally back, falls at the the lower high and we get another sell-off. So it's just been quite a brutal downtrending structure. You know, everybody would prefer it. You know, it's like ripping the band-aid off, like just get it done, you know, just put us like minus 20, get it done in like three days and then, you know, that's it. Um, but unfortunately not the case. So, it's it seems like we're almost waiting for that thing to happen. Um, you know, or or the inverse of that, of course, which is, you know, the US withdrawing from Iran and that being it, like that seems like where we're at.

>> Do you think that's enough?

>> That's a very good question. That's a very good question. Um, I think some of the damage is already done. Um, I think this was a massive mistake and personally, I I don't know if Trump as an archetype has the personality characteristics to admit defeat, which I think in his mind like leaving Iran would be when in reality, I don't think that that's a defeat at all. It is the smart thing to do. But I I you know, if there's a ceasefire, maybe that's enough to spark it, but is it enough to send us to new highs? I don't know. I do think that this correction is necessary, not just from a structure perspective, but from a timing perspective. I mean, God, we've been going straight up for what seems like forever. Um, so yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe it's not enough.

>> Yeah. I mean, I not go on the doom side. Yeah, it will be enough. It's perfect. That's the only catalyst and then everything will be good again.

>> That's exactly. Then we can go back to living our lives of uh of not I Dude, part of me misses Biden where he just didn't say anything ever.

>> Yeah. You didn't have to worry about him tweeting because he wasn't alive.

>> Just coasting, huh? Yeah. Who would have thought we'd be saying that?

>> You you mentioned that, you know, putting your foot on the gas when the time is right. You're in my opinion, one of the best and you do this in Haven all the time of these like super aggro small account flips, we'll call them, where it's like I'm putting 10K in an account and I'm like, "Oh, cool." And then I go for dinner and I come back and I check my announcements and the account's at 200 grand and I'm like, "What the [ __ ] happened?" Is is this something that you >> and guys, if you want to learn how to do this and watch this live, it's happening in the Haven multiple times over at this point. Is this something you taught yourself? Like, did you have a broader strategy that you're like, I wonder if this works on the low time frame? How did you get good at that?

>> Yeah. So, the it's it's really a case of, you know, my my optimal conditions for the market are momentum. So, like doesn't matter which way. Typically, up is far better. Um, but when we start to see exactly what we discussed before, like those universal green conditions where indexes are green, we've got crypto that's green, and there's some form of higher time frame like either bull div or structure change or whatever it might be, like something where all of those markets are just completely in unison, you know, and and we know that those times are usually relatively slim in terms of when they actually occur and you get that kind of like beautiful alignment across the board. But um, that's really when I know I can push hard. Um, and then, you know, like people say like, well, why don't you go ahead and use like 100k for an account? Like, why why do you start with 10? And it's really because like mentally, like for me, 10k, if if I rip through that, then okay, I just like carry on, right? Like everything's fine and then I can reload an account and I can do it again. But if I go and jam 100k, there's like a there's a different mental approach that comes then with my trading. So what I'm doing is essentially I'm saying to myself, look, the conditions are right for my style of trading. I don't actually need 100k in here to do what I want to do and to like achieve what I want to achieve. Um, and I have the use of extreme leverage. So essentially, I can utilize my account balance being significantly higher anyway. Um, and it's just a really good opportunity for me to essentially say I'm placing a sport bet of 10k on myself and I'm either going to be up or I'm going to be down and that's it. But that's my that's my total. If I decide my timing is wrong, I want to go again, right? Then sure, I'll make a 20k bet on myself in total, right? That's it. Um, but it really helps me mentally to kind of overcome the fact that I know I want to be super aggressive and, you know, the type of aggression like you see it in the Haven where people are like, holy [ __ ] like this guy is like using every single drop of margin. He's on cross margin. He's dumping profits into new positions. He's because that's what how I want to operate in that. But again, it allows me to balance the psychology a little bit better. I I liken it to almost the the prop firm math, which is something that a lot of our traders at Breakout use is some people use Breakout as, you know, it's, hey, I have this 100K account. I'm going to stay within these risk parameters. I'm going to systematically trade gross account. That's fine. That's great. Um, there's a cohort of our customers that treat it exactly like that. They're saying the cost of this evaluation is my bullet and I'm willing to spend, you know, x number of bullets to get funded and then if I'm able to get funded, I now have a $100,000 account. You factor in the draw down with the leverage available, you essentially have a bullet to go trade and try and run up and, you know, get a payout and see if the math works in your favor. I've always found it extremely interesting. I've never really been that guy. I recently over the past few years transitioned from trading with a very large account to putting a 100K in running it up not to the same extent that you are and then withdrawing and then doing it again. Uh, but you're one of the few. I know a couple other guys who are like when it is time to press the gas pedal down. There is few people better at absolutely squeezing every inch out of a momentum move and then the ability to just do it and go to the very edge and then when it's over, it's over. You're like, okay, that's done. That that move is over. And I think that that's something that's uh, a very useful skill in these markets and you've demonstrated it not just in crypto but in equities as well. Um, and uh, it's been super impressive and and something that I've always admired. I'm like, man, you know, this is something that is completely different from how I trade and how I view the markets. But it's so cool to see uh, because you've done it's not a it's not a um, it's not luck. You've done it over and over and over again in a systematic way. Uh, and it's it's it's so cool to watch, man.

>> And the stopping, the stopping is the most important thing as well. And you know, the the advice I give to anybody who's engaging in that or like engaging if you're somebody who's like run up account and account super aggressively and everything seems to be going in your favor and your trades are just working time after time. Like the time you stop is when what you've been doing no longer works. Like as soon as you hit the point where actually your trades are now getting stopped out instead of just running to target, that's the time the market's telling you, hey, stop there. It's time to take your money and like leave for a little bit. Um, and I say the same like in the Haven basically when we start hitting stop losses instead of targets. That's the time when the system is saying it's not working here for me. So like you have to you have to acknowledge that and instead of like doubling down and carrying on, you know, it's a very easy it's very easy to run an account up, but to maintain it and not have it drop down significantly is that's really the challenge.

>> Yeah, it's an it's an unbelievable test of discipline and and and uh demonstration of skill and then when it stops working, you transition to cards. And I think that's what a lot of people here want to talk about. So, um, you know, guys, I wanted to switch it up. We've been doing, you know, a bunch of these streams now, and the wall of worry, the zeitgeist online is all what's going on in the Middle East. It's all doomer. Are they going to launch nukes? Are they going to do COVID style energy lockdowns? We've beaten that horse pretty good. The markets look kind of shaky. There's a lot of news driven price action going on right now. What am I doing with my free time? Lots of other things other than trying to force my hand on this market and I'm like, what are other people doing that I find very interesting and funnily enough, I saw your update in the Haven um and I watched your video last night on what you've been doing with the trading cards and I'm like, let's get my friend CBS on here and I mean this is I think you post on Twitter right? Like you're >> you're printing for lack of a better term uh on these little pieces of cardboard. So I'm going to flex to the camera here. Don't tell them the last sales on these that you told.

>> No, no, I went I went >> these are all for sale, guys. Um, for a lot of money. These are all very valuable. He will uh he will corroborate my story. These are there's at least $100,000 of cards here. Uh, I've got I I've got my Charizard, my Blastoise, my Venusaur. I bought these at the top of I think the last TCG hype cycle. So for the uninitiated here, what what is TCG even at a high level?

Okay, so this is basically what we're referring to here is like typically the collectibles market is is really what we're referring to, but obviously TCG trading card game or CCG, collectible card game. That's really kind of the the subsection of the collectibles market we're in. And for a lot of people that will center around Pokemon, that will center around Magic the Gathering, Yu-Gi-Oh, One Piece. They're kind of our like major IPs that will be will be kind of represented by that TCG banner um as we have it. So that's what we're looking at kind of now in the the more modern era of collecting. It is uh, you know, a massive space. Now sports cards fall separate to that and sports card is is its own completely different domain uh of which I have very little knowledge but I have a lot on the TCG side. So I'm I'm old. I always joke on my streams um, you know, that I'm I'm a boomer. I'm an X, whatever you want to call it. So, some of these I bought these largely out of nostalgia because I remember playing with Pokemon cards and Yu-Gi-Oh cards and I do you think >> part of the popularity is because I mean I I don't know your age, but I think we're close.

>> Is it because we have adult money now that these things are so popular? Just like when my dad was a younger man, you know, the baseball cards of his childhood became valuable. Is that part of the popularity we're seeing?

>> Yeah. So, number one, don't bring me into that category with you. Um, no. And then secondly, um, yeah, you're absolutely right. So, basically what happened is you've got like a whole generation of people who started getting money and crave nostalgia. Um, so that really is like the backbone and it's been the same for multiple generations as you rightly point out with your dad, like people have been doing this for generations in terms of collecting things. Um, and if you look at it, you know, it's essentially it's the way that people collect antiques or they look towards the past to, you know, be able to collect or bring things into possession that are physical investments. Um, so yeah, you're absolutely right. You've basically got a ton of 30 plus year olds um, who have started utilizing their money for collecting the past. Um, and then you also have like a young a slightly younger generation as well, those in kind of like early early 20s that are also into this, whether or not they were brought in by later Pokemon games, um, or whether or not they're brought in through another CCG like One Piece for example, that may resonate more with them um, from like their childhood or the current interests, whatever it might be. Um, but you've also kind of got that that crew as well. But underpinning it, you're you're absolutely correct. It is it is full of nerds looking to relive nostalgia.

>> Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I mean, being a nerd is what got me into crypto anyways. Plan Runescape. Do you want to share your screen here so we can see >> um, some of the websites tools you use here as we discuss and I won't flip over to your screen until you tell me it's ready to go.

>> Um, yeah, no worries. While you're getting that set up, I guess >> I I I talked about this in a I had this weird thought while you were just answering there. I'm like, you know the show like Antiques Roadshow? Like I my mom loves to watch that show and sometimes I'd watch it with her and she's like, "Oh my god, my my mother had a table just like that one." Or my, you know, my grandfather brought back a Rolex from when he was at the war and it would be worth so much money if I kept it. Like, is this the future of Antiques Roadshow? It's like, "Oh my god, this guy's got a Charizard, uh, you know, that he found in his childhood bedroom, and it's some guy like us 25 years from now grading some Charizard on on TV, and his grandson's like, "Oh, yeah, my grandpa told me to never throw this card away." Like, that's that's really the future here.

>> Yeah. So there's like there's a lot of like um things that will have to fall into place, but my take is basically that um that collectibles in general will replace antiques as the desired things for us to pass on to children and grandchildren. Um I think, you know, historically it's been things like antiques, but I think realistically in the modern day, it is the sort of stuff that maybe not Antiques Roadshow road show style format, but you know, you will be seeing this stuff passed down because, you know, basically like who wants a set of silver spoons anymore? Do you know what I mean? Like you can get cool physical stuff that you know looks attractive to hang up and, you know, fits with a with a more modern culture. So, you know, my take is that the collectible space will probably end up just replacing the antique space overall. Um, but yeah, there's, you know, there's a lot a lot of stuff that has to fall into line on, you know, IPs and Pokémon still remaining strong for years and years to come. And, you know, >> we'll see what happens when this generation, like, you know, our generation moves on or or gets rid of this stuff or, you know, dies off, whatever happens. Um, you know, and then we'll see. We'll see how how sticky it is.

>> I mean, gosh, I was just in Japan and I went to uh the anime district and they had a few collectible trading card stores and some of the stuff they had there was incredible and there was a lot of young kids in there. I found like I do think that that Pokemon IP does remain strong. So, let's give people kind of a a high level here, cuz like I I I want to liken it to something maybe some of these people watching can can compare it to, which is crypto. Like, is is Pokemon the Bitcoin of TCG and everything else is further down the risk curve? Like, does it work like that?

>> Are you sure you don't know more than you're letting on? Because you've been like, you've been spot on with everything so far. So I'm just trying to do like the hot ones guy. I want to become that interviewer who's super well-prepared.

>> You're doing a great job. Honestly, um, it is. Yeah, it's it it very much is the Bitcoin of the the TCG space. So, this is the IP. This is the largest IP in the world. So, this is this is bigger than anything else. This is bigger than Disney. This is bigger than anything else globally. Um, so that in itself has a lot of kind of like sticking power. Um, and yeah, this is this is by far and away top dog. Um, there's no other IP from a trading card perspective that comes close to it. Nostalgia would take you into kind of the Yu-Gi-Oh area or the MTG u area for people. That's like a, you know, another one from people's childhoods. Um, and then the more modern era would be something like One Piece that would kind of bring in maybe a newer audience um or maybe something that's a little bit more relevant to people of a certain age as we are now.

>> Yeah. So that then by that same logic, right, you can almost probably trade it similar to how you trade crypto, right? Like there's and and this is something you discussed in your Haven breakdown. It's like, you know, if if Pokemon's the first mover, you can now start to look down the risk curve. And >> as we saw very recently, I think potentially topping signs, early signs of mania, I mean, Poke, what did Logan Paul sell that card for? $16 million.

>> Do you is that something that gives you pause? Are you saying, "Hey, this the total addressable market is growing. Thank you, Logan Paul." or are you like, "Okay, now I'm a little bit worried that Logan Paul just maybe dumped this and created a top."

>> Yeah. So, it's actually probably the latter. So, prices have risen dramatically since Logan Paul's sale. Um, so the space as a whole has basically had a huge injection of capital since that sale. Um, so while in crypto we would kind of be nervous that that is a top signal and I was nervous that it was a top signal, you know, my my history in terms of the financial market suggests that any involvement like that is not good for the space. Um, you know, the way that that market was kind of, you know, being marketed, the way that that auction was, you know, appearing everywhere, like I was like, oh man, this is this is not a good look overall. But the reality is that we've seen significant price increases on the majority of vintage cards in the aftermath of that sale. And where [snorts] where this is massively different from a crypto perspective or a financial market perspective is that many of these cards are in very low supply, like very, very low supply. And so what you have here is basically like a land grab mission where suddenly people want exposure to the space and there's actually only 50 of these cards available in a PSA 10. So therefore, what are you going to do? Right? This isn't somewhere you can just like log in and just buy some Bitcoin. This is something that there's only 50 of these that exist globally and the chances of that number increasing are very, very slim because these sets are basically not in existence anymore. Um, and so, you know, there's a huge number of of people out there that have moved into this space and have started buying low supply big money cards in order to have exposure here. It's so interesting because that's such a good point I didn't think of. It's it's not like crypto in that it's like, well, this is mania. Anyone can launch a memecoin, you know, and and capture in on this. There's only so many PSA 9 non-first edition Charizards, like the one I'm holding that's for sale for $15,000. Um, there's just there's a limited supply. Uh, so it's kind of like it's it's almost more like art in that sense. At least certain types of art. I've experienced a back in the day selling Andy Warhols. Like there's only so many of this print that's signed in this condition and there are highs and lows in the market, but it's never a complete boom and bust cycle like you have in crypto. So you're not worried about Kim Kardashian buying cards and marking the top like she did with NFTs.

>> Yeah. So again, like that's that's another one like it's the same thing. And and you know, like the Kim Kardashian stuff, whether or not it's kind of, you know, authentic, whether or not it's linked to Pokémon's 30th anniversary, you know, whatever else is kind of going on in the background. Um, and I mean authentic from her children's point of view, cuz that seems to be who she's going around looking for these things with. Um, but you know, again, the reality of this space and the Pokémon space is quite different. There are big corrections in this space. Um, but a lot of these cards tend to actually just go flat when when we're kind of correcting. Um, like and I'm I'm air quoting that, right? Like a lot of these cards tend to just flatten out. And you'll see here like this this card here, this is a very popular card. Cororo Cororomu is a very popular vintage card. Um, and to get these in a PSA 10 is very, very limited. Um, I haven't even got the supply numbers here, but this is like another limited card. Um, and you can see that basically, you know, this area here that we had through um through August, you know, we kind of flattened out. We kind of just like go in this little like back and forth here, this little sideways range, and then we get another massive breakout. And, you know, you'll see that all of these sales up at like 35,000 for for PSA 10 copies here. Like this is all in the aftermath of of the Logan Paul sale. Um, you know, this is all far later on than this and you know, some of the price increases here. We're up from we're up from this being a, you know, 20 grand card at the end of February to this being a 35 grand card today. You know, like this market is very different just because of the way the supply and demand dynamics work and because of the availability of these cards. Um, you're not suddenly going to have somebody who is just dumping first edition first edition Zards because they don't exist in a number where you do just dump them. And if you do try and sell them, there's way too much demand at cheaper prices. Um, so it's a very, very different supply and demand kind of backing to this whole market. So I'm I'm not worried about Kim Kardashian. I'm not worried about Logan Paul, but this market still corrects, right? This market still does have those times where cards pull back. Um, and I think if I can if I can pull up here uh the Lugia first edition. We'll see if that's I don't want it in nine, but let's see if we've got here. Yeah. So, this card this card recently sold for $140,000 uh in a PSA 10. The auction was was last week. Um, so this card was 140k. I think actually with like the premium it was something like 181k it went for in the end. Um, but this card sold back in 2021 and it sold for 150k in 2021. It corrected 78% from that high in 2021 and now has set a new all-time high at this level. Um, so like there are some cards out there that do see that, you know, kind of correction. Um, this is a big big card for the space. Like this is again, another very, very well-known card for a lot of people from childhoods. Um, so, you know, the market is unique and interesting in terms of the supply and demand dynamics.

>> You know that's so because this isn't even an original 150 card. This is uh >> this is yeah, this is Neo Genesis. So this is a little bit later.

>> Um >> interesting. I wouldn't have thought that those were I thought the original 150 I guess there's also like the perception cuz I I imagine there's cards from the original 150 that people just don't give a [ __ ] about like they're just like >> oh man, there's so many >> what was the was it Kabuto? There's a guy who was collecting like all of the Was that >> did that ever do anything? Is it is he coins?

>> It's it's like it's still um it's still fine. We'll see if they got a first ad here. Um, where's the first dead? I never use collector. For anybody out there, make sure you're using Card Ladder as well, just just as a heads up. That's where you want to check your uh that's where you want to check your pricing from. Let's see if we can get here. But yeah, we'll see. We'll see how he's getting on. I mean, you can see like even just on like here, first dead, you can see from like the moves in December and then graded, but yeah, this is like the tops come off this, right? Like this is this is a thousand a card down to 650, so starting to creep back, but >> so how did you like obviously there's some corollaries between this and trading right?

>> How did you get to this level of expertise with this stuff? Was it trial and error? Like literally you're like, "Hey, can I trade this?" Like are you were you experimenting like you would with a trading strategy or was it first you were collecting and then it became more?

>> Yeah, exactly that logic. So I I I've been collecting for five years. Um, and I did exactly what we talked about at the start where like I just went back in time and I was like, "Oh, you know, give me all this cool [ __ ] from my childhood." Right? And so I I went back and started collecting and ended up picking up a load of stuff. And then um it's about 18 months that I've been doing this as kind of like an offline business. Um, so, you know, kind of like offline presence away from Twitter and and doing this from a a you know, individual perspective and basically just got to the point where I was like, look, I think there's a really big demand here for people who want higher-end cards, like, you know, cooler cards, but they need some direction in terms of what they should be looking at, you know, kind of what are the better areas of the market. And my trading experience comes with the ability to be able to look at things like those supply and demand totals to be able to figure out, you know, look, we can even look at charts in this space and we can take a look at the way that things have consolidated or where the market sees fair value for some of these cards and, you know, you can utilize all of that trading knowledge and and put it in here, but you have to have some understanding of the collectible space, you know, in general. Like what are the top Pokémon that people want to collect? What are the ones that held up better during corrections? You know, which are the better sets? Do people prefer vintage? Do they prefer modern? Do they prefer sealed product? Like there's all

These different areas that you can kind of dive into to explore. Um, but yeah, really from my perspective, it started as collecting and then it grew.

And then I said about 18 months ago, I basically just decided, look, I I kind of I want something outside of Twitter. My my whole life seemed to be tied up with crypto and Twitter and you know, doing that and I was spending, you know, even, you know, during COVID, I was spending, you know, 16, 18 hours a day just at my desk tweeting, charting, having like, and I just wanted something real world. I wanted to go and speak to other humans, yeah, and like get out there, you know, and put something also to the test that's away from Twitter because I think it becomes very easy to think that the the, you know, the things that I've done are because of Twitter. So it was nice to have something to be like, oh, I can actually do business outside of this world where I've got a big audience. So you've got this like big step up automatically. Um, you know, I started from zero and just said, right, let's go and try and build something cool. Um, yeah, and so far so good.

One of the best things I did over recent years was Breakout because it was just like, even though it had adjacent to Twitter and trading and all that stuff, it was just not my day-to-day. That had been my day-to-day for so many years before, which was content creation, trading, posting charts, posting on Twitter all day. It was like, "Oh, I'm building a company. I have a team. We're having meetings. We're solving problems where it's not just entering a trade." It's like, oh, this is something we're going to work on for weeks and we're all going to put our input in and and and it is refreshing almost to to kind of get out of that world. And I think it's a blessing, something that we're able to do after having found success in trading and in crypto to now be able to go and say, "Hey, some of these skills are transferable elsewhere." And there's more out there in the world. They also made me a little bit less doomer about things because it's like, okay, there is a world out there of regular people who have no idea what we're talking about all day online.

Um, yeah, and that's so cool. So, for like some beginner, one more question for this next one. So, are you physically taking possession of all these cards when you're trading them or is there an ability to like buy something and sell it without, you know, taking ownership of it?

So there there are a number of different options that you can use and I'll I'll steer away from like the crypto side for the time being, but we'll maybe circle back to that at the end. But um, there's a couple of ways to do it. So, so major places like PSA or like Fanatics, they have like a vault. So if you go and get stuff graded at PSA or if you buy from PSA, you can choose to keep the items in their vault. So basically, you can just say, "Look, I'm going to buy it, but you guys store it, insure it, whatever else. It just stays with you." Now, I can request that card at any time back from them. Um, or I can choose to sell it back to them or auction it on Fanatics and they will take care of it for me and I'll get sent the money. Um, but the the way that the majority of people obviously like to engage in this space is they like to hold the cards. It's the whole reason the majority of people are doing it. They like to have the stuff in their possession. Um, they want to display it, they want to look at it, they want to take it to card shows, they want to do whatever with it, but they want to have physical ownership. Um, you know, these are nostalgic but also physical investments. And so people feel a lot more comfortable typically when they're in their hands. Um, which is which is why the crypto side of things. See, like showcasing it. Exactly. That's that's exactly right. Um, which is why the crypto side of things has always been slightly weird to me because this is such a physical space. So to try and like digitize something that is so inherently physical, um, you know, and the reason that people enjoy it so much is because it is physical is always like a difficult kind of hurdle for me to get over mentally. Um, but yes, you can buy, sell, do whatever. And you can keep that online or you can bring it into your possession. You can sell on eBay, you can go to card shows, you can do whatever.

So, this leads me to my next question, which is let's say you're a beginner. You're someone who is saying, I want to get into this. Maybe you already have money, maybe you don't have a lot. Are there any cards that you view as like good starter cards, good long-term investment cards to get yourself in the game versus are there cards where you're saying, "Hey, if you're trying to get into this for flips, you're like the guy who's going to the sneaker show, buying a pair of shoes, and then selling it to a guy later that night out the back of your car." Do you have cards in mind for those types of people?

Okay, so um I'll I'll dive into things a little here and apologies, this is probably going to be a longer answer. All right. So, get yourself comfortable. Um, but the the way that you have to view this is very much like investments in the financial world, which is like you need to set out time horizons. So, if you say to me, I want to profit in a month's time versus I want profit in five years' time, it's a very different kind of, you know, answer I would give you in terms of what you should be taking. Um, you also have a consideration on things like sealed product versus slabs, so versus graded cards. And for lots of people, sealed products almost operate like the indexes. They're far slower. They're not as kind of like pumpy and dumpy, but they're consistent growers. So, they just consistently year on year they're growing in value. And then you've got slabs, which are much more like independent stocks. And so they're the ones that are going to be like, all of a sudden, your card may go crazy and it may two 3x in, you know, the course of a week. Um, but at the same time, you might go 60% drawdown on that card. So there's a lot of kind of like differences out there in terms of how you collect. Um, but people also need to kind of determine, do they like modern cards, like you can see some of these displayed here from some of the more recently released sets, or do you prefer the vintage side of things? Now, for a lot of people like me and you, it's the vintage side that's the interest cuz that's where the nostalgia is baked in. That's where kind of, you know, our enjoyment comes from. Whereas, we're not too bothered about this kind of nice, fresh, new art style. We might think it looks cool, but it doesn't have the same nostalgia to us. Um, so for people like just getting into this and just starting, make a decision between sealed product and graded cards. That's the first thing. If you like sealed product, if you like displaying booster boxes, things like that, like there's a really great market out there for you. It's a really great earner still. Even buying new product, even buying new releases, like in three months' time, that stuff is up still. There's basically not a single booster box you can buy for Pokémon or you can own for Pokémon that doesn't now sell for over retail price significantly. Um, and I'm talking about sets that are even released kind of in the last 12 months. Like this stuff is all up. Um, if you want to get into the graded side of things, think about how quickly you want to move it on. If you're somebody who wants to like be active in the market, you can identify opportunity. Like this market rotates around just like crypto does. When crypto moves from like AI coins into DeFi into, you know, meme coins and we see these rotations. The same thing happens in Pokémon. We get rotations through different areas of Pokémon. We will pump Japanese vintage, we'll pump English vintage, then we'll pump modern English, then we'll pump modern Japanese. Like it just rotates around. Um, so you can identify some really like cool areas in that as well in order to take kind of advantage of. But for the majority of people, I would look on the vintage side of things. There's a huge amount of value in things like early promos, the vending card series is a very cool series of cards that were released very early on that um still I don't think are kind of like priced well by the market. Uh, we'll see if we can pull up a couple of vending series. This is probably the most popular Uyama's Pikachu. This is one of the um more recognizable cards from from this vending series. Um, cards like this, like cards that are pre-2000, quirky, look interesting, look cool. Um, these are really, really good in terms of kind of, you know, keeping an eye on because the market typically misprices this. And these are some of the earliest examples of Pokémon cards that you can get.

Do do you remember the uh it was like a Mew that came out with the movie? I think.

Ancient Mew. Yeah.

Is that selling for anything? Is that worth anything?

Yeah. So, there's a number of versions of Ancient Mew. You've got like a 2000, you got a You got a 2019, you've got a Nintendo era. Um, we can take a look at the 2000 Ancient Mew, which is typically the one that most people remember.

Oh my god, what a [ __ ] I've not looked at this card in 20 years.

Yep. So, this is this is one that like lots of people remember cuz like typically this is like when their parents took them to the cinema to go and see this film. That's usually usually like where it comes from. Um, but this card has been ripping lately. Um, so this card is is pretty much up a 2x from uh from last month. So this card has been yeah, moving significantly. It is a it is a very popular card because again, it has a huge amount of nostalgia attached to it. It's actually a very difficult card to grade as well. There are quite a lot of PSA 10s. Um, but the actual kind of gem rate for this card is actually actually quite quite low. Um, so yeah, it's a tricky card to get a 10 in and people love this card for obvious reasons.

Gosh, that's so cool. So on on the the boxes and booster packs side,

Yeah.

I see there's an entire market of people who open these things hoping to unearth a first edition Charizard. Is that like just what is a original 1999, you know, unopened single pack, whatever it is, 10 cards for Pokémon, what does that cost just for one unopened one?

All right, so let me let me just run the let me just run the math here. I've just got to do the conversion because I don't want to quote you in pounds for the audience here, but.

Bro, I'm in Canada. I'm on French fry money.

Like it's over. Um, at the moment for like a base set, the easiest way to quantify is like booster boxes. So, for an original base set booster box, at the moment, you're probably talking about 36 to 38 grand. Um, for a booster box. Now, that's not a first. That's just your straight up base set booster box. Um, so then, you know, there's 36 packs in there. So, you're roughly talking about like $1,000 a pack at the moment for original base set. Now, that doesn't even factor in the fact of obviously you've got first editions. Um, the packs back then are weighable, so you can weigh the packs as well to determine if there's a holo inside or not. Um, so they go for a premium. So, we have like heavy packs and light packs. If you get a heavy pack, that comes at an increased premium. Um, so there's a lot of stuff in there. But yeah, base set boxes are around that. And then you've got like Jungle and Fossil, if you remember those sets, and Team Rocket. Um, and they go for they go for slightly cheaper, but again are still desirable, but they don't have the same level of hits in there, right? Like everyone chases the Zard. Even to this day now, when you're opening a base set box, you want the Zard. Like in Fossil, you've got a Gengar that if you pulled, you'd be, you know, ripping money. Um, and Dragonite, but apart from that, it's like gone.

What's the risk reward, I guess, then? Like, you buy a base set box for 36 grand.

Yeah. Like is there a world where like you is it more likely that you do not make that $36,000 back than you do?

Oh, it the majority of rips would not be um worth the worth the rip.

Okay. So, it it is quite literally like you need something nuts or you just you you just wasted.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can see here that last sales on first ed boxes were approaching 600k.

Oh my god.

Yeah. So, um that's like a that's obviously like a ridiculous growth. Um and and the the thing is and here's also the really cool thing about like sealed product and especially vintage sealed product. Um, so you look at the world that we're in right now in terms of content creators and people who need to bring in an audience like they have to rip this stuff, right? Because this is what the audience wants to see. And so what you have is you've got a product that's in kind of ever diminishing supply, but there's never been a better time to rip it if you're a content creator because even if you hit nothing, you're guaranteed to get views. You know, if you just go and absolutely destroy 36 grand, 600K, whatever you're buying on a box and you pull nothing, that's still guaranteed hits and guaranteed views. So, you've got this really weird economy at the moment where you have the creator economy and that's before we even bring in platforms like Whatnot. Have you heard of those?

No.

Okay. So, Whatnot is basically like you would sit on stream now. You would have a booster box, a base set booster box in front of you and you've paid 35ks for it, right? And what you do is you auction off each of the packs live on stream. So you say, "Okay, right, let's start the bidding. We'll do 15 seconds of bidding." Audience are like, "Bid, bid, bid, bid, bid." Right? They bid it up to, let's say, $1,500 a pack.

You rip the pack open on stream. You show the hits, you show the cards, and then you ship that pack to the person.

That's so interesting. And interactive. Oh my gosh.

Exactly. So there So we're now ripping boxes like live on stream.

It's like it's like like watching a casino streamer somewhat in that like it's voyeurism, right? It's like I'm not betting, but I like this streamer and I'm watching him bet and maybe they're doing a community funded bonus hunt on whatever.

Man, I didn't know it was this in depth. This is so cool. I'm now I'm now my wheels are starting to spin which probably means guys the at least the short-term dip is coming if Trader Main's getting involved.

Yeah. So like you can you can do all sorts of cool stuff and like the good thing is is like at its core it's a gambling stream, right? Like that's what it is at its core. But at the same time even if there's only $600 of value in the pack, at least you still ship that out to the person and they own it, right? So they're buying the pack off you. You open it on stream and these streamers, a lot of them print really good money from these box breaks because packs tend to go for over value. Um, obviously streamers do a good job in upselling it. There's, you know, a very good community vibe. Um, and so yeah, lots of people end up, you know, spending a lot of money on these streams and they also get physical product back at the end of it. It's not just dead money.

They get this stuff back.

Oh, I mean, I've seen some clips of them, you know, and their hands are shaking and they've got the white gloves on and they've got the little plastic sleeve and it's it's pretty cool. It's pretty fun. So,

in in terms of going back to like, okay, I wanted to start this. You mentioned, okay, maybe you should focus on booster boxes, things like that. What are the long-term hold cards in your mind at let's say you've got a few thousand budget to someone with five figure budget to someone who's like breaded and they're willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a card. Maybe give us one for each price bracket where you're like, you know what, this is like a Bitcoin. Like if you're interested in getting in the space, like someone like me, you go and buy a slab of this card, you hold it. Over time, you're probably going to do well.

Okay. Um, so we'll start with kind of like the lower the lower end side of things and a really popular set that's kind of like taken off at the moment. So like it may not be the the right time to get it just at the moment, but it's certainly an area I'd keep an eye on is 151. So this set was released and this set was like super available. So when this set first came out, you could buy it everywhere. Their stores were even discounting this set because it was just sat on shelves. But this is a very, very popular set for a lot of people cuz a lot of people came back to Pokémon because of this set. So, what this set is is this is a modern release of the original 151 Pokémon. So this is basically your base set, but juiced up for the modern world. So you've got like your full art cards. You've got the new Charizard in here in terms of like all of the artwork, but it's the original 151 Pokémon. So a lot of people kind of came back into the space because of this set because it kind of like brought back all those memories. They understood what they were collecting. They knew that the Zard was a big hit again. Um, and this is a great set again for the future because this blends perfectly that nostalgia but also with the modern elements of things. So 151 for like lower lower budget is is kind of a really nice place to look. And you can see here this is the this is the Zard from 151. We've seen a big spike recently. But again even here through through the last kind of you know 12 months of price action. You can see what I was talking about before this just kind of like flattening out of price. So we see these like small moves small retraces back and forth and now we've get the breakout. Um, so this is a good example of a card. Now, when it comes to the modern side, there's a lot more of these in circulation because a lot more people are a lot more savvy. And so, when they pull a Zard, they keep it in mint condition. They send it off for grading, right? Like when we pulled Zards as kids, we were like shoving them in our pockets. We were like dragging them around school like, putting elastic bands around the decks that we were taking in like all that all that stuff, right? No sleeves, nothing. Um, so obviously supply on these is going to be far higher, but a very cool um a very cool area. Uh, the other one that I would I would take a look at for kind of those guys is Evolving Skies. This is a again a more modern era card. It it kind of straddles kind of modern mid era. Um, and again, this is a really great set. There's a very big card that you can pull in here. Uh, it's the Moon Bion. Um, which is a very very popular card. Does very well in terms of price. And this is another very cool set to look at in terms of sealed boxes. Uh, this set is also nicknamed evolving cries because the pull rates are so bad. But that also gives an indication of why booster boxes are ripped open. Um, because you know the chance of getting a Moon Bion in here makes this all worth it. Um, so this is another cool set and as you can see it's kind of hovering around that all-time highs region. Um, but hasn't really had anything crazy over the last couple of months like some of the other sets. So, Evolving Skies is a nice one to to keep an eye on. If you're getting into kind of like mid-range, then I would pull you back to what I discussed before about like vending series stuff. Um, so you've even got stuff that like you've got vending series, Snorlax, Mewtwo, or just looking into some of the older promos. Um, the Vending Series Haunter is a really cool card. Stuff like this, the artwork on the Vending Series is just like super cool, super unique. Um, very different. This stuff's all from like 1998. So again, it even precedes the original base set release in English. Um, so again, another very cool one to kind of like look into. So, vending series as a whole is a really nice one. And then the other ones are CD promos. Um, so you can look at CD promo. And I think we've got a CD promo Snorlax here. Um, stuff like this again is another very cool one. Um, good age in terms of, you know, its history from a Pokémon perspective, but again, you can see the pricing that we've had since February. Um, kind of up from around $500 in a PSA 10 to where we are now at at, you know, way over two grand for a PSA 10 copy. But stuff like this and holding on to stuff like this is good because lower supply. There's not a huge amount of it available on the market and it isn't something that if the market turns around and starts correcting suddenly lots of people are going to start dumping their cards. So vending series is like a a really good one. Um, and then for your higher end budget, this is this is kind of one of the classics that's that's recommended to people. This is the Mario Pikachu. There's also a Luigi Pikachu. This is a very very popular card. You know, this this blends two iconic IPs together. Um, and it is very very popular. And as you can see here, we've we've gone up from this sort of, you know, 16 17k at the start of the year. Um, and these are selling now at 34,000 for a PSA 10 copy of this card. Um, you've got the Luigi as well. So, the the Luigi Pikachu is also well worth it, but again, usually lags significantly behind significantly behind Mario in terms of price. And with these two as well, you also have sealed boxes. So if you are a sealed collector, you also have sealed boxes available for these two products as well in terms of Mario and Luigi. But you're going to be dumping significantly more capital on these. And these are very volatile markets. Mario, Luigi, and a set of cards called the Ponchos. Very volatile markets.

This is so interesting. What I I'm I'm wondering like you're very knowledgeable about this. Obviously, part of it is, you know, our childhood, right? We were nerds. We liked cards maybe more than I didn't collect really sports cards growing up. I was into Pokemon cards and whatnot.

It seems like the sports card market is bigger. Is that a fair assessment?

Yeah.

Now,

yeah. Like some of these some of these vendors like on Pokemon, you can turn up and like you can be like vending at a card show and you might have a million dollars of stock on the table, but you look over at a sports card table and they'll be there with 5 mil, 10 million cards in front of them.

So so it's a it's a bigger market, but if I'm not mistaken, and I I don't think I am because I had my buddy look this up, but the highest selling sports card was a Mickey Mantle. It sold for 12 mil in August. So, in theory, maybe part due to partly due to Logan Paul's celebrity, a Pokemon card is sold for higher than that, which is which is quite interesting being even though it's a a bit more of a niche market. Have you considered expanding to sports cards or you're like, "Hey, this is what I know and what I'm passionate about and so I'm going to stay in my lane."

Yeah. Like, um, the sports card world for me is there's a huge amount that you need to know about the sports card world. UK side, the the sports card area is growing, but it's certainly not like it is in the US. Um, so, you know, obviously the majority of bigger cards are all primarily US sports.

Um, that makes sense. And so, you know, therefore, it's a bit harder. Um, but yeah, like it's also a very unique world. Like there's there's like all these weird things that boost value that you wouldn't expect to boost value, you know, like let's say for example, um, like you pull a serialized card. So there's only like 50 of them that that exist, but the serial number that you got, let's say you got like number 44 out of 50, but number 44 is also the player's jersey number. Like that increases the value. Like there's like all these weird like crossover things that are just like for me it's like a lot to take on board. And so the area that I expanded to and and have a huge amount of interest in is is the One Piece side of things. So that's kind of where I've taken this um certainly over the last kind of like seven eight months or so.

We've had someone ask about One Piece specifically. Um,

is this a market that you consider like,

you know, tertiary, secondary to to Pokemon cards? Like Pokemon's one one and One Piece is 1A or 1B or is there a clear delineation like Pokemon cards are on another level costwise, interest wise, One Piece, you know, not nearly at the same kind of level of hype.

Yeah. So, um, what's the best way for me to phrase this? You're absolutely correct that that Pokémon is number one. It is the the king by a significant degree, but One Piece in terms of where it's priced is still a very expensive um like card game to be involved with and to be collecting. So, when you start looking at things like, you know, some of the most popular um cards that we have from a One Piece perspective, you know, these are still cards that are up at, you know, 19 18,000 at their highs. And the reason for this is that One Piece cards typically as a whole space are very low supply. So, there's actually not many of these that exist. Now, there are a couple of reasons for that. That hit rates are really difficult to pull good cards from. And secondly, a lot of very good cards are also highly playable. And so therefore, this this trading card game, player numbers for this game have increased dramatically over the last 12 months. Like this is a game that is in significant tournament play. It has thousands and thousands of people that turn up to compete in regionals, to compete in tournaments. Um, and cards are playable. So therefore, you get cards that get damaged. They um they aren't gradable as tens and overall this space has very low supply numbers. Like for example, this card here, the supply is still, I believe, under a thousand for this card. Um, and again, this is a modern game with booster boxes, you know, that uh you can't really get as easily now.

Right? Like the the anime is still ongoing. Like does that affect price that it's.

Massively so. Um, yeah, massively so. So, you've got something here that is also geared towards an adult audience. So, this is something that that plays directly towards adults primarily. Um, it's something that I think maybe breaks also a stigma about, you know, if you're a 30-year-old man going to buy Pokemon cards, people look at you funny, but it feels kind of better to be going and buying One Piece cards in a strange way. Um, the uh the actual manga series, the comic series has just surpassed Superman as the bestselling comic of all time. The author of One Piece is the sixth highest selling author of all time. Um, there is a huge amount of kind of provenance and history behind this series. It's also the 30th anniversary of One Piece next. Um, so this is something that also isn't something that was, you know, made a couple of years ago. This is something that has 30 years of history and is still ongoing. As you rightly said, you've got season two of the live action. You've got the anime that's still ongoing and coming back very soon. Um, so there are a number of kind of like key factors for why One Piece has remained very very strong.

So, two more questions and then I'm going to let you go here. First one is I feel like there's some correspondence here with crypto cycles and maybe crypto is is too myopic. It's liquidity, right? Like when I bought these cards, I also bought a few watches and I ended up buying near the top of that market as well.

Is that relevant here where it's like, hey, when things are good, money's well, risk is on, these cards are crushing, and if six months from now things aren't looking so hot, like maybe it's a good time to or if you're bearish on whatever, uh maybe it's time to to take some money off the table in this space. Is is do you see that correlation?

Yeah. So, we've had it we've had it historically that when crypto has performed well, card markets have also performed well. The thing that's really bucked the trend has been the last kind of three to four months because financial markets haven't been doing well yet. All of these markets are ripping beyond. Now, you could you could utilize kind of the thinking there and be like, okay, this is because people are just looking for, you know, that that logic of there's always a bull market somewhere, right? And right now it's in the card market space and that's what people are into. And because you have markets that are easier to move, let's say because if there's only 50 of a card that exists and you bid a card up significantly, right, the value is higher very quickly. Um, so that also plays a big part in things, but it's very difficult to determine. Like I've I have fears about the card market because of how rapid the growth has been over the last three months and and even just over March. Like the way that Pokémon has grown during March alone has been insane. And people are bidding dog [ __ ] cards right now just because they need exposure to the space. And so we're seeing stuff that really has no right being at the level it is, but it, you know, people are bidding it. Um, so I don't really know like where the top falls and what the correlation is anymore. I know that people have very much enjoyed being back into physical ownership of things. I know that people have enjoyed diving into the nostalgia, especially when your nostalgia is making you a ton of money. Um, but I don't know where that kind of like breaks because like we said, we saw big moves in 2021 alongside things like watches and cars and everything else that COVID drove up into, you know, multiple X returns. But I don't know like what is the catalyst for this market performing badly given that it's done well when crypto has done poorly. I think that if crypto roars back, this is still an outlay for people unless we we get that situation where it's like, [ __ ] now it's a good time to sell my Zard and rebuy Bitcoin, right? That's always an option out there as well.

I think so funny that we can literally like the world we're in. It's like you're comparing a physical card to a digital currency and then you're also monitoring what's going on in the Strait of Hormuz in the Middle East and all they're all connected. It's like what world are we living in?

So, yeah, like how's a bombing of an oil field going to going to.

Exactly affect Charizard the fire Pokemon? That's got to be bullish.

Um,

this is kind of a two-parter and I'll let you go after this. So, you shared a post last night on X that you're doing big numbers like six, seven figures a month. How much are you buying every week, every month? How much are you selling to generate these kind of numbers? Like is that number purely your personal stack of cards that you're buying and selling?

No, this is so this is the this is the business now. The business is still still me. Um, so it's not staffed. It's not it doesn't have people. Um, this is this is a business that focuses on very much the higher end of things. So basically what I what I look at stocking and moving on is cards that are kind of above the 5k mark. That's really like my minimum of where I like to be. Now, you you've got a very liquid marketplace in cards and a lot of people are surprised by that. But I can go ahead and list a card at six figures and if that card is a popular card, that card will be sold and paid for within five minutes. Um, this is a very very liquid space. So when it comes to kind of the buying and selling aspect, number one, having your own capital and liquidity is very important because if somebody approaches you and they say, "Hey, I've got this 50 grand card. Give me 45k for it and it's yours." Right? Then it makes sense that if you got the capital, you can bring that in and you can flip it for 5k in five minutes later that day. Um, so this market operates kind of very very quickly on a liquidity front, but you need to have some things in place to be able to make sure that you can do those deals when they come along. Um, and to be able to take advantage of it. So, you know, this is this is very much just kind of like starting. It started with me and some bits that I wanted to kind of like move on and I I put to the market and you know, start doing some things and then like I said, I realized that there was quite a big gap for these higher end cards for some guidance, for some kind of um, you know, investment, let's say, you know, advice or a nudge in the right direction. Um, and you know, like I said, it's it's transpired to be what it is today. And and those figures that you know I'm doing at the moment that that can be done in, you know, 10 to 15 sales, um, we're sort of up at that level now of liquidity in cards and to your point about like people taking profit. I I spoke with with one of the regular customers this week who was asking, you know, basically like what do I do? I'm up a ton. Like what do I do where I am right now? I said, "We've got very unique conditions at the moment where prices are super elevated and super high, but there's also a ton of demand still at these price points." So, like it's a very unusual point in the market where number one, you have insanely high prices, but you also have liquidity to sell. So, I was like, you know, look, I I don't want to, you know, if it comes back and you're up another 50% in six months, don't don't shoot me. But it's a good time because those two things don't come along often. You know, when you get super high prices, liquidity starts to usually dry up a little. Um, but the fact it's also sky high and you can still get these big sales. I said like I think you have to take advantage of it, you know. Um, so yeah, it's a it's an interesting interesting place at the moment. So, if I am a newbie um wanting to get started in this space, what are the main things I need to be? You mentioned Card Ladder, like what are the tools, resources outside of, by the way, guys, joining the Haven where he'll walk you through it because there's already videos on this in there. Where do I go? What websites, YouTube channels, anything you can recommend?

So, really, you're going to want to do a few things. Number one is you're going to want to be able to be on eBay quite a lot. eBay is actually a really good resource for a lot of buys. Like, it's a really simple marketplace to be buying things. And you want to be using Card Ladder. So, Card Ladder is a paid app, but what you do is you can basically just take a photo of a card and Card Ladder will bring you all of the last sales for that card. So, you can immediately price the card based on the last sales that you see for it. And you can go back through all of the price history for that card, check it all out, do whatever, but it will give you today's price, what the last auctions were, what the last buy it nows were, whatever. You can take it all through. Um, so Card Ladder is is really helpful. And then what you can do, especially if you're starting out, is you can just sit on eBay and you can just go through listings on eBay, use Card Ladder on your on your phone, browse on your eBay on your PC or laptop, and just take pictures. So, you see a listing and you're like, "Oh shit." Okay, this is a cool 1996 Japanese base set card. Like, I wonder what the price is. Like, I wonder if this price that this seller is charging is fair. And you take a picture, you compare it, and you'll be surprised the amount of listings that don't update their pricing. So, there's a really good activity you can do in just going through eBay, checking the areas of the market you like, and then picking up when people have mispriced or the market has moved higher and they have not changed the price of their original listing. Um, there's really good opportunity in that. So, a little bit of work, but it also helps you get really familiar with the space, right? So it will help automatically build up that knowledge of, okay, you know, a 1996 Gengar is around this price, you know, and then that sticks in your brain for the future. Um, so it will really help to kind of build up your understanding too.

Amazing. And obviously follow CBS and all the stuff he's posting. You share a ton of great free alpha. Dude, this has been super fun, super interesting. I hope you guys enjoyed this. I wanted to do something a little bit more different than just talking about the same old charts. The fact that oil still looks like it's going to be the end of the world. Uh, you know, rather than dooming, uh, you can go relive your childhood by spending inexorbitant amounts of money on pieces of cardboard. You know, there's fun stuff to do out there.

Honestly, I I couldn't have said it better myself. And I just be careful at current pricing, right? Let's not let's not create a target on our backs by telling everybody now is the time. But um also if you're interested in the One Piece side, that's where I would say to you there is opportunity. Um this is a market that has corrected for the last two months and has now started to turn around in terms of pricing. So, if you are kind of like looking for that involvement, maybe you're a One Piece fan, maybe you're an anime fan, whatever it might be, but that is a very interesting space at the moment in terms of prices and historically where that market has been. So, that's where I would focus if you're looking at starting today. If you love Pokémon and you don't give a [ __ ] about One Piece, focus there. But just, you know, be a little bit careful at current prices. Guys, I opened up Card Ladder and eBay. You've got weeks at most before this all crashes and burns. So, good luck, soldiers.

Dude, thank you so much for coming on, man. Guys, I'm going to stay on. I'm going to quickly go through the charts, some headlines, and stuff like that, but we'll say goodbye to our friend CBS. Until next time, bro. Thank you, dude. Take care, everyone. Later.

All right, guys. That was a lot of fun and and and something a little bit different, right? I I wanted to um just mix it up. I know we've been talking a lot about uh charts and oil and this and that and it seems like you know it's all doom and gloom lately, right? It doesn't seem like there's been a lot of stuff that's been uh you know fun. So I wanted to switch things up a little bit. Um, you know, just talk about something fun. Trading cards, man. Who doesn't love that? So, let's quickly go over the charts. I know I updated you guys with a market update yesterday. So, I'm going to update you on yesterday's update because guess what? Your boy was right. The market pumped a little bit. Late bears got screwed. So, we're going to talk about that real quick, guys. We are going to discuss oil. You can trade oil. Uh, oil is uh available to be traded over on NATO. So you guys know that NATO Kraken are sponsors for the show. So if you want to earn INC, you need to be trading over on NATO. You can find my ref link below the video tweet. Uh, it's a CLAB deck. You can trade spot per. It's on Inks L2 or is on Inc. L2, excuse me. And it's from the same team that bought you brought you Kraken. So season 1 is live. 950,000 points each week. This is under farmed. If you want to farm something and make some money, go farm NATO. Use my link below. Those points are tied to the Inc. token airdrop. All you have to do is trade. The more you trade, the more you earn. And you can trade things like oil over on NATO now. So, very exciting. Shout out to Kraken. Shout out to NATO. Uh, thank you so much for supporting your boy. Let's get into the charts. So, guys, I talked about this setup yesterday. I said, "Hey, we're in the lower part of the range. We just had an H12 sweep. Go watch the YouTube video. I gave you stop, entry, target. I said if this thing's gonna bounce, it should hold here. Stop go lows goes below here. And we look to target into these highs. We're getting that bit of a push up. Now, I also mentioned, hey, this is still very much a headline driven environment, right? Still very much news driven. We had the president of Iran. I didn't know Iran had a president. And I thought they killed him or they killed the supreme leader who's not the president. Apparently those guys are different. And he said, "Hey, we're ready for peace talks. The market rips. Inshallah, my friends." Right? And then what happens? Some other person in Iran who also has some power says, "We don't agree with that guy at all. We're not having any peace talks, but the market hasn't really fully retraced." The bottom line is what I said in yesterday's video stands true. There is a lot of macro uncertainty right now and a lot of these price moves are going to be news and headline driven. Now, is it convenient that I said, "Hey guys, if it's going to bounce, it's going to bounce from here." And even the day before any of this news came out, I said, "Hey, there's a lot of people getting bearish on equities. Would be pretty funny if we got a little bit of a rip bounce relief rally to smoke some of these late bears." And I did that on the weekend and lo and behold, we're up three and a half% to start the week. So, is it the chicken or the egg that comes first? Does

Trader Main's order block appear, and then they fire the news? Like, you know what I mean? Is that's what's happening. Trump, he gets a call. They're like, "Dude, Trader Mine just drew an H12H1 setup. He just marked out the H1 breaker. We got to launch the bullish opium news."

As price approaches that level, he gets out there, he sends out the tweet, the market bounces. Or is it the other way around, and the news comes first? The bottom line is it doesn't [ __ ] matter. Trade the chart.

But right now, be aware that the chart is being heavily influenced by what's going on. And a headline, a tweet, something quick like that can cause things to change quickly. But we were expecting a bounce. I've been talking about this for weeks, saying we're due for a bounce from a time perspective. And when we got down here into the lower part of the range, from a chart perspective as well, again, we said the same thing on equities here. And we're getting that bit of a bounce.

Uh, if this relief rally is going to have any legs, we need to clear this downtrending structure and then maybe right, we get a bigger relief rally before ultimately lower because that is still my belief. Same thing goes here for the US 500 or the the US30, excuse me, the Dow Jones. We are attempting to break out of this downtrended structure. So maybe this is going to get that cycle low relief rally. And if that's the case, Bitcoin could break out of this dastardly fractal and actually give us a decent pump if equities is able to get some sort of sustained rally here. Of course, if anything negative comes out in the news, uh, and this thing just turbo nukes, then probably the same case as what we have up here, and we're going to at the very least sweep out the range lows before we look for another trade, look for another setup.

Gold, as I mentioned, holding on to that demand on the 3-day. Everyone was [ __ ] their pants on gold, calling it a bare market. I said, "This is exactly where it should bounce if it's bullish." Lo and behold, it bounced. And then I gave you guys saying, "Hey, this should be a higher low if it's bullish." Lo and behold, it was a higher low. Now, we have this trend line breaking and this breaker. If we're able to flip this, I think new highs on gold. So, that looks pretty good. I like that.

Oil still rangebound. I know everyone's getting horny and hard about oil. So far, it's going up, then down, then back up, potentially back down. Uh, and the real trade on oil, in my opinion, is deescalation, goes down, further escalation, it goes up. Don't try and big brain it. You're not that smart. I'm not that smart. I'm sorry I'm talking very quickly here, guys, but this has already been a long stream, so I want to kind of hammer through as many of these things as we can.

Okay. Um, make sure you're following the order book, guys, on Twitter. Go give the order book on Twitter a follow. Give it a follow on Instagram as well. I want you following order just orderbook show on Twitter. I want you following the orderbook show on Instagram. Let's get this to a thousand, please.

Okay, let's talk about some. I don't get it. So, are we correlated to equities or aren't we? Sometimes we are, sometimes we aren't. Right. That that's how it works. We're not always going to be correlated. In general, bullish equities is good for crypto. Crypto has a much easier time going up if equities are also going up, right? But crypto can go down and equities can go up. Crypto can go up and equities can go down. Nothing is perfectly correlated as much as you'd like it to be. That would make it too easy, my good friend.

So, uh, the IRGC designates 18 US linked companies against legitimate targets as legitimate targets for retaliation against the assassination in Iran. So, basically, they're saying, "Hey, we're not just going to bomb the Gulf Coastal countries, Dubai, Qatar, etc. They're going to go after these major companies inside Iran." Okay? So, they're going to go after JP Morgan, Tesla, General Electric, IBM, Meta, Google, Apple. So, um, interesting take here, right? Interesting take here. They're basically saying, "Hey, um, they're going to put a hit list on all of these companies and threaten potentially the stock market. Uh, and these are all of the biggest companies, um, you know, in in America." Now, is this FUD? Is this doom? Sure. Getting a lot of likes. Can they actually negatively affect these companies? We don't know, but it's something to watch in terms of further escalation. This is what I was talking about here.

The S&P rises 2.5% after the Iranian president possession poses, I don't know how to say that. Says he's ready to end the war, but wants guarantees. Okay. Your boy Maine said that we're going to pump. And I had no insider info on whether or not he was gonna say something like this. So again, who's really ma making the calls? Who's really making the moves? Is it the president of Iran or is it the big order block thickneck boy trader man? Okay. All I know is I got receipts here. I got timestamps. Okay. I put my receipt on the chart. This guy's saying, "Oh, look. It's up 2.5%. How about you give us the call before it happens?" Who's doing it like your boy? Not many people.

Now, Thicky, always someone I like reading. Um, I think he's got good posts. I think he's a good writer. Um, he said, "Even if the off-ramp headline is still just a rumor, it at least suggests the admin is finally converging on the idea that there's only two real paths left. Either withdrawal from Iran or complete economic catastrophe." Now, if you've been watching any of the Professor Jen videos, predictive history, it does seem like um the Iran powers that be are quite literally following um his playbook. They're going to attack the Gulf Coastal countries. They're going to go after the US economic base. That's the power of the US [ __ ] empire is the economy. And if they're able to hurt the economy by damaging the petro dollar, going after these Gulf Coastal countries, going after these major companies, that seems to be a path to victory for Iran.

Um, Thicky here says, "Listen, the fact that we had this inkling of the war potentially ending and seeing an instant bid in risk, it feels like the market is signaling that we want withdrawal, it's the only way forward for the market." Um, a market bounce which is really just conditional optimism around descalation can actually reduce the pressure on the admin that is obviously highly sensitive to daily market marks. We all know Trump very much looks at his success and bases part of it on the performance of the stock market. When the stock market's going well, it's because of him. When it's not going well, it's because he in he uh inherited this market from Joe Biden, right? So, um, great post here, worth reading. You know, I I think withdrawal is the best solution for everyone, right? I I think that's obvious at this point, but is it enough to reverse this crash and that be it? Or is there a cyclical element of this and we're just due for a larger correction and the war is just simply volatility uh you know injected into this and we're due for this unwind because we've been in this time of massive massive gluttony overvaluation just insane pie in the sky numbers in some of these companies. Right. Very difficult to know for sure, but great post here from Thicky thought. Thicky thought.

Um, this is just more comedy. Chef's kiss as usual. Jeremy BTC has says that Binance is announcing oil and gas futures trading with 100x leverage launching on April 1st. And this is not an April fool's joke. The top is in for oil. Well, if that is the case, the top being in for oil, the good news is that means that the war is probably deescalating. Uh, the bad news is um is that the curse of Binance listing anything uh remains uh remains firmly intact. As we know in the past when Binance has made listings uh it's marked the top as CZ and his team begin their efforts of maximum extraction. Could this be the top for oil? Forget the straight of Hormuz opening. Forget geopolitics. Forget Trump. Forget everything. CZ is going to end the war by topping oil by listing it on Binance with 100x leverage. Incredible stuff. Incredible scenes. I don't even know what to say on this one, guys.

Michael Sailor, the king of AI slop. Some of the worst AI, like I've been, you know, he's got the lifeboat. Like, his AI slop game is pretty good, right? Some of them I find quite funny. This might be the worst AI slop I've ever seen. And he's using it to advertise STRC. Um, this is unbelievably cringe. This gives me like vibes of like people shilling Ankor back in the day being like, "Me and my wife both quit our jobs and put all our money in Anchor and we're getting 20% a month for free and they're posting it on TikTok and um I don't know. Horrible. This is what the [ __ ] is this shit?" Martin, my boy. I couldn't agree more. Breakout intern AI slot final boss. Um, Kraken, nailing it. This diabolical people tagging the SEC. You know, it sounds like he's promising returns in this video. It's bad. And I almost want Bitcoin as a whole experiment to fail because of how unbelievably cringe um, Michael Sailor is. And it does like there is um there is part of me that is worried that so much of this coin this this this imaginary thing is held by this [ __ ] lunatic. It does worry me a little bit like is there some sort of centralization risk that this guy just owns so much of the supply and he's [ __ ] Um a and and maybe he's destined to repeat uh you know what he did last time uh with this company back in the dot era and this is just the cryptobubble era and this is going to zero. Uh, but let's not think like that. But oh my god, whoever is close to Michael Sailor, get this man some help. I don't know what he needs. I don't know if he needs to get laid. I don't know if he needs to go outside. I don't know if he needs someone who's not a yes man around him. Whoever was in the room with him creating this and then posting it because he didn't do it by himself. What is wrong with you? Shame on you. Uh, get this man some help. Get this man some help. It's surely needed.

All right, guys. And real quick here, I'll wrap it up with some polyarket plays that I'm looking at. We have the final four coming up this weekend. I'm going to be watching. I hope you guys are watching as well. Not a lot of surprises. There's no Cinderella story here. We've got two one seeds and then a two and a three seed. Who do you have taking it all? I'm putting my money on the Arizona team. Why? Because Leerm aka one of LeBron's children is on the Arizona team. Um, Bryce James. Okay. LeBron James Jr. is in the NBA and he's running pick and rolls with Legote. Well, his younger brother Bryce is playing in Arizona. I don't actually know if he's gotten any playing time. Um, but I might put my money on Arizona winning the entire thing. A thousand bucks on this pays almost three grand. They're the second favorite, Connecticut being the least favorite. I don't know. I might have to hammer this bet. Uh, I'll decide. I'll share the bet that I take uh with you guys on Twitter, Telegram, etc. But been an awesome tournament so far as always. Some great games like the Duke the Duke game the other day where they uh where Yukon went up by one and the Yukon coach goes up to the ref, his shirts all like this. He goes like headto-head with the ref. I'm surprised they didn't tee him up. Give Duke free throws, but Arizona beat my team Purdue, who I had from the outset to win the thing. So, I'm going with Arizona because Leerm is on the team, even though he's not getting any playing time. So, that's probably going to be the bet that I take.

Uh, another interesting market here. What companies are going to IPO before the end of 2027, right? I think SpaceX is probably a given. Probably a given here. But some some some interesting ones to watch for sure. Let me just log in here. Uh, so this popup goes away. I apologize. Uno momento. We just logged in. We're down. We're down on some of our bets, by the way, boys. And and that's okay. That's okay. As you guys know, we are we are in some plays right now. Um, we're down a little bit. We're down a little bit, but we're going to fight back. But what companies are going to IPO? Ledger. Oh my god. Imagine these guys trying to pass compliance to IPO with all the security breaches and hacks that they have had. How ironic that the company whose entire job is to help you secure your crypto has been breached and had data leaks so many [ __ ] times. Unbelievable stuff. Um, but I just saw that Whoop is uh raised at a crazy valuation. I'm a Whoop enjoyer. Um, not a lot of volume on some of these obviously, uh, but interesting to watch nonetheless.

Um, this is interesting, right? We've been talking about this. I told you guys I think that the the market is pricing in boots on the ground and that's still the case, right? So, it's it's it's a greater than 50% bet right now that we'll have boots on the ground by the end of April and even higher by the end of the year. Okay. Now, what's interesting here is this is very counterintuitive to the most recent signaling we're seeing um from Trump and from the Iranian president. Whether or not this guy has any power, I don't actually [ __ ] know. Um, but uh very interesting nonetheless uh that the vast majority of people at least on poly market here, 12 million volume is not nothing, think that we'll have boots on the ground within the next month and almost 70% of people think that that to be the case by the end of this year. So, if this is the case, escalation, war prices higher and the pain and suffering not over for crypto and the markets yet.

Uh, if this ends up going through, this had a big spike today because if you're a Canadian like me, you know that there was a petition signed. There will now be, I believe in October, a actual referendum vote for Alberta to leave Canada. All I can say is if this goes through, your boy Maine's putting the cowboy hat on and he's become an Albertan. I'll see you at the Calgary Stampede, my friends. Uh, but this is I I think I think I think um a lot of Canadians like myself. Uh, I I say good, please. Maybe this will shake up our [ __ ] country. And it's what's needed is that the econom one of the economic centers rich in natural resources in oil is like we're so fed up with the mismanagement of this [ __ ] country. Top three or four in oil. Number one in [ __ ] like pot hash. We have uranium deposits. We have all sorts of minerals, gold deposits, most fresh water out of anywhere in the world. Lumber, we have all this stuff. Yet we're [ __ ] poorer than the poorest state in all of America. It's unbelievable. I I I say leave Alberta and let me come with you.

Um, so those are the markets I'm going to be watching guys on Poly Market this week. We'll go into these more in depth on Thursday. Um, I'm going to have the TV back soon. I'm in the process of recording that whiteboard series of videos for you guys. So that's why the TV is not here right now. But that's all I got, guys. I gave you the long. I told you to long the stock market before anyone else. I'm hoping and praying that this doesn't just repeat this because that would be just gay. Um, but I I I'll I'll leave I'll leave that here, guys. I I appreciate you staying on. I know this was a bit of a longer stream because we had CBS on, but I think that was a lot of fun. It was something different, something new.

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