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Why do you support Trump?
>> Oh man, because I don't support Harris.
>> Why not?
>> Why would I? I mean, what's there to support with Harris?
>> Okay, so I'm I'm asking why you don't and then I can go into the reasons why I think you should. I just want to hear the reasons why.
>> I think they are both terrible picks, honestly. But um Trump I think was the better here decision. I didn't vote. But if I were to vote if I had to vote my life was on the line.
>> No. If you could right now, would you vote?
>> Not if your life is on the line. Just like
>> over Harris. Yes. Over Harris. Yes.
>> Yeah. Okay. So then like why? Like what's the specific reason? You just said because you think Trump is preferable. Okay. Why?
>> I think he's uh pro America. I mean, that's what he his campaign was largely based off of.
>> Okay. In what way is he pro America?
>> I think
>> I don't know. He's more traditional American. Traditional American values, I'd say.
>> Okay. What traditional American values does he uphold? When you swipe out of the app, I can't hear you, by the way. You have to see me in order for me to be able to hear you.
>> Okay.
>> What What traditional American values does Donald Trump uphold?
>> I don't know. I think he's just a I think they're both just terrible picks, honestly.
>> Okay. You know, we I think the this two-party system is extremely flawed and you know, if I had to if I had to vote today, um it would be Donald Trump.
>> Yeah. But like you're not giving a specific like value, traditional American value that he upholds. Is it our rule of law, our democracy, our constitution?
>> Like what what is it? because I would say that like those are core American values, traditional American values that he actually undermines.
>> Yeah. No, that's actually very helpful. I think
>> um freedom of speech for one.
>> We can start there.
>> Okay.
>> Freedom of speech. You think he's more pro- freedom of speech than Kamla?
>> I think he's more anti- freedom of speech.
>> How so? How
>> he bowed an executive order to put people in prison for a year for burning the American flag. He actively wants to violate people's first amendment rights. Also, we can reference in terms of freedom of religion. He's called for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the country. That's a violation of the first amendment and freedom of religion.
>> He's also literally detained Mammud Khalil who said free Palestine for over a 100 days without due process.
>> But that was only for saying free Palestine.
>> Yeah. For for literally his particular perspectives. Okay, now let's look at the, you know, converse, right? Is if Kamala, if Kamala were to be elected, what would have happened?
>> Yeah. Name one law she would pass to restrict your speech.
>> I mean, that's something we don't we can't really say for a fact, but
>> any policy she supports. I mean based off of I mean just based off of her being on the left and just in that specific time, right? Um you know, there was just like a big um almost like freedom of speech was becoming obsolete, right? you had more censorship obviously through um
>> uh Donald Trump called Marjorie Taylor Green Marjorie Trader Green because she wanted the Epstein files to be released and he was calling them a hoax from the Democrats and uh so that I think that's cancelelling her, right? If you care about it from that respect, I think that Trump's flipped the script on that. He's the one against free speech and against the First Amendment. Democrats aren't even against it at all.
>> But can we not say that Kamala is against freedom of speech or in some or some have some sort of censorship?
>> Would I mean you don't think so?
>> Yeah. But what what what censorship was she advocating for?
>> What about all the [ __ ] that was going on with uh with Facebook during the pandemic? And
>> yeah,
>> you know,
>> they have they reserve the right companies give them their position and to say that oh this is what we think you should do. Now there was no legal enforcement
>> and pandering to the left right. So they were pandering to the left during a whole
>> not to the left the doctors to the doctors
>> to these kind of to these left
>> to the medical professionals right
>> no to the scientists to the intellectuals
>> the experts
>> or the pro well, I mean that's there's a lot of debate right there man you have to kind of admit that there's a lot of room for debate. No, no. I I don't think there is. When we're talking about the effectiveness of vaccinations, like especially the COVID vaccine, there's so much evidence indicating that's effective. You can look at the bibliography in my bio. There's 30 plus pages of peer-reviewed sources up and down pages uh that you you can look at. I'm serious. Like, you're you'd have to deny science.
>> Okay. Well, is is there no room to debate vaccinations in mandating vaccinations? Well, if you're talking about mandating, mandating is a separate conversation that there's a debate for
>> but that's that's what was going on during that time period.
>> Yeah.
>> And I mean, I think Are you
>> That was really upheld through the Biden administration if I
>> Are you pro-life?
>> If I remember correctly,
>> that's it's not a violation of your first amendment though, by the way.
>> But it is a violation of my human rights, right? If I'm if
>> like do you think that do you think that there should be vaccine mandates for like the measles for school systems
>> for public schools?
>> Do I think that there's there we should polio vaccine for school systems? Yeah.
>> So that children don't get polio and measles. Well, the thing is, I mean, with that is the American people, not just the American people, but the people around the world, man, even in very leftleaning um European countries, right, that that they're against vaccination. You would know more about this than I do.
>> I I I don't know what countries you're referencing. Uh I think we're I'm I'm provaccination for obviously when there's scientific evidence to indicate that they're effective.
>> So then like So then here in this scenario, listen to this. So do you think that for public schools we should have vaccine mandates for the for going to public school right for polio and for measles just to give two there's there's even more than that by the way
>> well, I mean um if there is truly no downside right the thing is with the
>> who determines whether wait I'm sorry who determines the risk benefit analysis is it us or would it be doctors and scientists.
>> It'd be a select group of doctors and scientists.
>> Exactly.
>> A select group, right? Does that mean that every doctor or scientist agrees with that statement?
>> Well, if there's a consensus, right, then obviously we're going to accept the overwhelming consensus over the very few.
>> Can consens consensus be corrupted or can it be influenced wrongly? Could it be?
>> But it's most likely to be accurate. It's like very good evidence pointing towards the fact that it's true. But sure, there could be a circumstance where there's consensus where they're wrong, but like I mean, I think that what's going to disprove them is consensus in the future and science.
>> Yeah. I mean, uh I'm not against vaccinations completely, but I'm against people and telling people, hey, we got
>> to answer my question then. mandates for measles and for polio for public schools. Do you agree with those mandates existing?
>> Not necessarily. I mean, I don't have enough.
>> So, you disagree with that, by the way. Those are the basis for us being able to mitigate and reduce polio and measles in this country from degrees in which we're extraordinarily high. I I I think this is something that we become too accustomed to because of the fact that we've been living in a society with vaccinations to the degree that we've had where we don't understand the implications of children getting these particular types of illnesses because of how common it is to be vaccinated because of these vaccine mandates which has ensured the safety for health for our children. That's incredibly important. We've practically eradicated these comparative to historically what it's existed and you're essentially advocating for a resurgence of it because the inevitable reality will be that that happens
>> and that's why vaccine mandates are so important. Now you could say freedom of choice but you have the freedom of choice not to go to public school. If you're going to go toward towards a public area
>> you are absolutely going to need this unless there's a medical reason why not. Otherwise, you are risking the threat of the safety and security of the other children that are just trying to go to school.
>> Why? Why are babies mandated to have over 10 20 vaccinations by the time
>> have identified that it's
>> back to back to back vaccinations on a shot on a baby?
>> I got vaccinated infant.
>> Do you vaccinate your kids?
>> I mean, I got a lot of vaccinations. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, then
>> I was vaccinated. Then what's the problem?
>> What are what are the experts saying that are against vaccinations? I mean, you should know this, right? You're not just one-sided. You have to know both both sides of the argument. You should know better than me, bro. So, what are the experts saying? Why are why are people nowadays more against vaccinations than ever before? Why?
>> Because of misinformation, because of misunderstandings, because of distrust of government and science.
>> Do people do do kids get autism?
>> The Dunning Krueger effect. weird side effects due to these vaccinations?
>> No. No. Vaccines.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's misinformation. Vaccines don't cause autism. I can have a I have a study in my bibliography in my bio that actually proves it doesn't. Right. If you'd actually like to look at the research. Uh yes, it absolutely does not cause autism.
>> So that's a that's a complete
>> myth. Yeah.
>> Fabrication. Yeah.
>> Absolutely.
>> So RFK, let's let's talk about RFK, man. How do you feel about RFK? Honestly, if I had to vote for I would have voted for RK personally and I think he's a
>> genuine you know with Kamalith she has that
>> you know she just seems like another politician another politician you know like that has not the people's best interest at heart
>> and you think Donald Trump has your best interest at heart I'm sorry if you believe that Donald Trump has your best interest at heart
>> another politician I think he's another politician
>> so then so then why do you pick Donald Trump because of that reason if it it's going to be applicable to both sides, wouldn't it just equate out to zero?
>> I mean, if you had to pick um the lesser of two evils, I mean, I guess I would have
>> But if they both have the quality, this isn't indicative of one being worse than the other. It's indicative of them being equal.
>> Honestly, the left seem far more um you know uh cause for concern. I don't know. I mean, that's just my point of view. such as what are you referencing?
>> Well, freedom of speech for one, you know, um
>> again, I already gave you arguments to indicate otherwise.
>> Right to bear arms.
>> Donald Trump has undermined that too.
>> Can we talk about right to bear arms?
>> Yeah, we can. Donald Trump has undermined that as well.
>> You do you think that he he undermined that as well?
>> Yeah.
>> How so?
>> Uh he's in support of red flag laws. He said take the guns first, due process second. He's actively done a bump stock ban that was determined to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. You can't mention any gun control policy Democrats support that's in violation of the Second Amendment.
>> Okay. Who you think it who who you think Kamala would have a better stance on right to bear arms given the American people the right to bear arms as the founding fathers have have wondered for?
>> Yeah, I think I think it's a reasonable position. I think gun control is reasonable, Tim.
>> I think gun control is reasonable, but I think with when it comes to the left and far for farleaning liberals, right? um you know they kind of take it to crazy lengths like such as what like be be specific like what was she advocating for that was too far
>> that you're willing to vote for like RFK in in Trump?
>> Why scoff at RFK though?
>> Because he seems like a decent person. He seems how is he a lunatic? Well, because he's trying to spread misinformation, saying that Tylenol during pregnancy causes autism when literally studies in Sweden have indicated absolutely no association between Tylenol usage during pregnancy and autism after taking into account genetics and uh uh genetics specifically in siblings. Um he's also spread lies about the vaccine saying that like it's literally uh causing autism as well. Uh we can also point to the fact that um uh what's it called? Oh my god, there's a million things. Holy [ __ ] Um, we could talk about him decapitating a bear and then taking out to Central Park.
>> He decapitated the bear. What?
>> And then took it into Central Park. Yeah. And left the body there.
>> Okay. I mean, wouldn't the the thing the best thing to do, man, is to advocate against this two-party system,
>> you know, to get more independent.
>> I mean,
>> politicians, I'm not I'm not a politician, bro. I didn't even grow up
>> here. We got to support policies on both sides of the aisle that are in support of again increasing the amount of uh parties that we have uh in terms of proportional voting. Now there's also issues to think about in terms of that like uh then someone can have 30% 40% of the vote specifically and they can get elected which kind of you know can also make extremism worse off. So there are conditions to think about on both sides. Why don't we work with there's also an argument to say work within the two-party system specifically as it exists right now to try and change the parties to operate more in accordance with our values because when we don't get involved and we say that politics has disaffected us therefore we're not going to engage with them it only allows for politics to disaffect even more people instead of us getting involved and continuing to get involved in resupporting a culture in which literally everyone does the same thing because when we specifically look at a context as like we can't do so just by ourselves well then we and everyone else think the same thing and it justifies hundreds of thousands, millions of people thinking the same way and doing the same way when they could have done otherwise.
>> But why are we choosing one side, bro? Why are we choosing one side over the other? And why are we reasonable people?
>> We're reasonable people. The truth um wait, don't you believe in um what's it called? What you guys call it? Do you pick what's right over what's wrong?
>> Of course.
>> Why do you pick a side?
>> Because it's it's right.
>> But then that's that's I mean
>> that's exactly what I would say to the last question you just asked.
>> You think Kamla has no flaw? You think she's the better choice? You think
>> I think she absolutely has things I disagree with her on. as as in what?
>> Yeah, like I disagree with the Democrat's stance on Israel.
>> That's an example.
>> Her stance on Israel.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you think Trump is the better he has the better voice as far as when it comes to uh you know things with other countries, right? being
>> You don't think so?
>> Hell no.
>> How are people looking at Biden? People were looking at Biden obviously like he was weak.
>> More respect than Trump.
>> The studies indicate that too.
>> What studies indicate that?
>> Yeah. Like you can look at peer research.
>> Who who backed these studies? Who backed these studies?
>> Pew research.
>> Who who who funds these studies?
>> Who funds the Pew? I don't I that's like people who donate like just random people. Like Pew Research gets donations from like people
>> they're like independent I don't know if they have any other fund I don't know the specific funders but they're generally known as like an independent source with verified information it's one of like the best resources for finding that type of information how do you sift through what is right and what is what is wrong what's the truth and what is false nowadays especially with you know age of information right all all that comes with
>> you go to people that know what they're talking about you see what they're you know, they're they know what they're talking about, especially if you don't know what you're talking about. If you don't even
>> have a basic understanding of these things.
>> Yeah. And that's why you should rely on the experts to a greater extent. Like when you when your tire goes flat or something happens to your car where it's hurt, you go to someone that specializes in that, right? Someone who is a expert in that field, right?
>> Yeah. But
>> we do this all the time. So why would
>> you go to the mechanics, right? You go to the mechanics, right? And mechanics have a bad reputation, right?
>> Right. You go to the the to get your car looked out and
>> that doesn't change the reality that like of the idea that it's reasonable to go to someone that has a specialization within it. Just because you've had bad experiences with mechanics in some circumstances is not representative of, you know, the point being irrelevant or unreasonable because again, it was just demonstrating that you go to people who have a specialization. If you break your leg, are you going to go to the doctor? You're going to go to the hospital.
>> Yeah, of course.
>> Yeah. You're not going to just raw dog it alone, right? Of course. So, obviously, you're going to go to people who have specializations in the particular field to address the condition that you're in. got anything else?
>> Why? Why? So, yeah. I mean, um
>> I mean, what are things about the Republican party that you might agree with?
>> Cuz when I hear you guys speak, Parker, Dean, all you guys, I like you guys, honestly. I do. I think you guys are very entertaining and um engaging and very educational, but at the same time, it seems like um it's very one-sided, right? And it's just like you sometimes don't hear the other side.
>> Yeah. I mean, you could say the same thing about yourself. You like doing what's right over what's wrong. You're pretty one-sided. You don't like doing what's wrong right.
>> That's that you're prettyided.
>> And that's that's life, right? I mean,
>> oh, that's exactly what I would say is that like I've come to an understanding of politics where I have to I I I see enough reason to take a position and just because I take a position isn't wrong or bad or meaning I'm only one-sided, I can understand and be open-minded while simultaneously being like strong in my convictions.
>> What's your vision for America? Like so I mean you're you obviously have a you know um large influence, a large audience, a large following. What's your what's your vision for these next 5 10 years? I mean for yourself I mean and for the country as a whole.
>> Um I don't want people to have lack of access to healthare. I think everyone should have universal access to healthcare and a public option. I don't think that people should have
>> man. Like look at your look at your look at your audience, bro. Like look at these clowns, man. Like these all all they do is they're no better than these Nick Fuentes followers or whoever. No, they're not, bro. You're looking at me crazy, man.
>> I think you're crazy for saying that. Yeah.
>> No, but it's not crazy because they do the they do what everyone else does. They point fingers. They judge. They're quick to talk [ __ ] you know, say nothing but bad things. Do you know that's true? If you look at this [ __ ] that's what that's what it is. I mean, that's just,
>> you know.
>> Okay. By the way, by the way,
>> uh being quick to judge, point fingers, or even to talk [ __ ] doesn't necessarily indicate that they're doing something wrong, right, in this context, right? Like genuinely there are when we're on a live listen when we're on live debating people specifically who are Trump supporters and they have the views that they have right now specifically where again the president of the United States has called for the execution of some Democrats because they said to follow the law and to not follow in lawful orders among many other things that are extremist views. These are extremist views. We're judging and pointing fingers and talking [ __ ] because genuinely people come up here they're not productive. They're not open-minded. They don't want to change their mind and they're supporting policies in which harm people in this country to degrees in which is unfathomable to themselves at the point in which you're having a conversation with them. That's why you're not understanding where people are coming from because you're not seeing the perspective in which they are trying to outline here that literally MAGA has become so extreme that it's dividing us to a degree where we can't even come together and have conversation and be like that anymore. People don't feel like they can anymore.
>> MAGA and the left, bro, they're basically mirrors. Yin and No, they're not. It's ridiculous for us to say that. It is so ridiculous for us to continue both sides in this when it's nowhere near as prevalent on the Democratic side as it is the Republican side.
>> For the people closer to the middle, bro, that's what it is. People
>> are a lot of people in in the middle, but if they were actually in the middle, they would not be near Donald Trump because he's heavily extremist.
>> They've been propagandized into believing that Donald Trump is somehow the moderate candidate and Kla Harris is extreme when it's literally the other way around. They're living in an alternate timeline.
>> You think you think Kamla's moderate?
>> Yes, absolutely. What?
>> Okay. I mean, she might be. I don't know. I I mean, she might be. I don't know.
>> Like, think I there's Okay, I can understand how this could be confusing. I think she's one of the most progressive candidates, probably the most progressive candidate that's run for office, but that doesn't mean that she's not moderate. Does that make sense? Like I'm I'm a I'm I would say I'm further left than Kla Harris and I'm still I'm still like a liberal. I still believe in capitalism, but I'm definitely further left than Kla Harris on a lot of things. And yet like again my view is reasonable, right?
>> I think so. I mean large
>> that people should have healthare, people should have child care. I want people to be educated. I want to have a lot of social mobility within our society and everyone's needs are taken care of. That's my goal for for an economy. And then I want to invest what we can on top of that into like technology to make people's lives better instead of dumb [ __ ] all the time. Like we spend on massive tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. We should be taking that money putting it into
>> scientific investment which benefits the population. Everyone has a better and higher quality of life due to scientific investment in research and development, especially with cancer research, NASA funding, things that Donald Trump is cutting. If anything, we should be increasing the budgets of these programs, not decreasing them.
>> Okay, so this this kind of just brings to mind the whole Doge Doge [ __ ] with Elon Musk and government waste and government fraud, right? that supposedly they found all this government fraud and waste um that was that was happening under the Biden administration. What do you have to say about that?
>> Um Elon Musk like has has said himself that he got like very little amounts and he didn't think that he actually was able to do anything and they've been cancelled in terms of Doge. Uh and then the Biden Harris administration didn't pass any of the quote unquote waste that you're particularly referencing. Tell me what you think waste the Biden Harris administration passed in terms of a policy.
>> I'm only bringing up um you know what was kind of was a talk as a talking point that you see on X or that you know that that was out in the um throughout social media in the news, right? I'm not I don't I don't have any specific references for you. Well, like here's my point is you're going to hear a lot of claims in the in like social media. People claim a bunch of crazy [ __ ] You have to be able to decipher as an adult between the information which makes sense and doesn't make sense. You got to critically think about this. You got to say, does this make sense for this to be true instead of just blindly accepting it and then compare your view to others. This is why I do these debates. It's important to compare your view to others to make sure that you're thinking your view through and you can explain it. He's also more likely to be able to convince people, change people, move people to your side.
>> Let me ask you another question as well.
>> No, I agree. I agree. Do you think there's a better, more ideal candidate out there than a Kamla, then a Trump? Obviously, than a Trump. You're going to say obviously Trump.
>> Of course. I just more
>> there's a more ideal candidate, a better representative for the American people. Not Not just for the American people.
>> Yes. I never said that Kla Harris is perfect.
>> So then why are we buying into this? you know, Kamla or Trump, you know,
>> because that's the reality of the choice that we had.
>> We We can't just live in La La Land.
>> You think it's always going to be like this,
>> you know?
>> I I mean, can do you have an alternative otherwise? What do we do?
>> Who Who's you rather have in office? Not I'm not saying between Kla and Trump, but just in general people out there.
>> A is there anybody that you would advocate for?
>> I like AOC.
>> AOC. Mhm.
>> Just her.
>> Well, like you just asked for an example.
>> I mean, that's that's the only person that comes to mind for you.
>> Yeah, the only person Definitely. Yeah. Know, I mean, we have a bunch of other candidates I can talk about, but I mean that How many do you want me to say?
>> I mean, no, I was just asking. Okay.
>> I was just curious.
>> Yeah, that's that's where I'm at, man. That's where a lot of American people are, right? I mean, we're stuck between you know, a rock in a hard place. And I think Kamla is not is not a good choice. Honestly, I just don't think she is.
>> Well, like you couldn't give any reason as to why you think she's not a good choice.
>> Like you I asked you what traditional American values. The the one you brought up in terms of free speech isn't even a traditional American value that's upheld by Donald Trump to a greater extent. It's actually undermined by Donald Trump to a greater extent. So we could go back to the very point you said pro America traditional. I think that Kla Harris is definitely more pro America. and traditional American values based on this respect because of democracy, rule of law, constitution. Donald Trump called for a termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found the constitution. Donald Trump is undermining the independent nature of our federal government, right? And he's literally trying to get loyalists. He's prioritizing loyalism over people who actually are qualified to do the job.
>> Loyalism? How how so? Yeah, he he quite literally is going after people for the courts, uh, for federal government positions under this administration, right, that are loyal to him over the ones that are qualified to do the job. If you think that the people in the Trump administration right now are the most qualified to do the job, you're obviously misled, right? They are definitely not. He's specifically gone after people within the federal government that disagree with him and don't agree with his particular perspectives, independence within the federal government to actively increase his control over areas in the government, right? Because he has loyalists there. And this is something that exactly JD Vance told him to do. JD Vance told him to do this before when running. And we tried to tell people about this about how much that's a threat to our systems that Donald Trump's going to do this. And what does he do once he gets into office? That exact thing. And it's like we're we're sitting here telling people this is literally something that Donald Trump and JD Vance have talked about, brought up, and it's going to happen and it ends up happening. And then yet the the right still doesn't address it. They move on to the next thing. They're distracted by the next, you know, trillion horrible things that Donald Trump did. Million things that are happening all the time. Was this like normal politics to you? Like do do you feel like it it's this insane? We they've been breaking the law not releasing the Epste files today.
>> Well, I think politics in general as we know it probably for I don't know how many decades is insane. It's been insane. I think we're living in a very corrupt system. Uh what is this [ __ ] that people say uh about white people? Like uh what do they say? Uh you know what I'm talking about? like uh what the [ __ ] is it? It's too [ __ ] late over here. As you [ __ ] I was listening to you and [ __ ] that first [ __ ] speaker for the longest, man. Um damn it. What is it called? Can't even think right now. Hey, but look, check this out, man. It's It's You're You're talking to an average person, bro. Like the average American is misinformed, right? And that's not something to like scoff at or not something to belittle, right?
>> Context.
>> And that's on both sides. You know, I think a lot of people are misinformed. You spent
>> hours upon hours upon hours upon,
>> you know, uh becoming as astute as you are
>> in in this respective uh
>> And you want to know something crazy? If I had a conversation with myself, I would respond the same way. If I could go back and talk to myself back then, I would respond the same way. And I still think that the way that I engaged is still conducive towards changing minds. Some people might not like the way that I act in all circumstances. I'm not perfect. I understand that. But like I mean, I don't think that detracts away from the points that I'm making.
>> Yeah. But that's I mean that's just goes comes with the internet, right? Comes with media. That's what the that's what the news does, right? All this um
>> you know like uh
>> do you think there's typically platforms like this where
>> jumping to conclusions?
>> Do you think there's typically platforms like this where people just talk to like
>> the average person about a particular topic and they do this all the time and they get super involved in it? Like I feel like these these spaces didn't exist a lot don't exist a lot. And if anything like the spaces that exist on the internet, it's like people talking to like other big figureheads and like that's not representative of the average American, right? Just referencing people who are figureheads. So I also think it's important to have these types of conversations because the average person again, yes, they are misinformed. They don't know the same things that specifically all the talking heads are specifically referencing. They've heard a different story, a different narrative. So it's obviously important to engage with all these different views at different levels.