Joe Rogan Experience #2054 - Elon Musk

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. Me, take my dog. Cool. Yeah, like looking in the mirror. Have you seen that before? Did people get you one of those? Yeah, he's awesome. He's awesome. He's pretty edgy. Yeah, he's it's amazing that he puts out a piece of art per day, 365 days a year. Yeah, I was following him on the X platform, FK Twitter, uh, but it was some of it was too jarring, too jarring. Some of the images. Yeah. Well, cheers, sir. Happy Halloween. Cheers. Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it. You're welcome. Thanks for rolling up in the Cyber truck too. Yeah, I got a chance to look at it in the factory, but that was, uh, almost, uh, was that like a year and a half ago or so? Was it? It was a while ago. Yeah, a year ago, I guess. Yeah, at least a year. At least a year. And it's, it's different in real life. Like, you see it in person, like you images are just, we were talking about it outside that you just can't contextualize them. Yes, it looks so odd that you have to see it in the flesh. It looks like, uh, computer graphics in reality. Yeah, it's the coolest looking [ __ ] production car that's ever been made. It's bulletproof. Literally. Literally. Literally. Yeah, one of the videos, uh, we're going to show is, uh, just going all like full El Capone, just like El Capone showed up and and emptied, uh, you know, the entire magazine of a Tommy gun into the side of the car. You'd be okay. The only thing that's not bulletproof is the glass. The, the glass is optionally bulletproof. Oh, it is optional. If you want it, you can. Well, you can make anything bulletproof if you want, but the, the glass has to be very thick for it to be bulletproof. Um, so it can't go up and down. So if you want fixed glass, ah, um, then how do you order drive-thru? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's a problem. Aw, you gotta pull ahead and open the door, get out. But it's okay. You can just duck. Yeah, you can just duck. Um, how far away are you from full, like delivering them to people? Have, has anybody gotten them yet? Um, we planted out first deliveries, uh, next month. Oh, wow. So now it's just testing and [ __ ] around. Uh, the hard part by far is manufacturing, not, not designing the, the car. Uh, so, um, you know, there's just not really a movie about that, but there should be. Um, so in the sort of the, um, you know, the movies will always be about the sort of inventor who invented the car and then the job is done, right? That's all invented the object. Uh, now the job is done. This is not true. That's the easy part. The, the hard part is manufacturing by far. Why is it so much harder than making an individual model? Um, well, the, the, in, in order to make it affordable, you have to make it at, at volume. So you've got to make everything, um, at, at high rate consistently. Um, if, if you, if you tour the, the production line, you'd have a sense for it. Um, you've got to have all of the casting machines, all of the stamping machines, as the case may be, the glass machines, the, the wheels, the tires, uh, everything required from the motor, the, the battery cells, all of the constituents, the battery cells, um, all of the silicon that goes in there, the chips. Um, it is the manufacturing is somewhere between 100 and a thousand times harder than making a prototype. Whoa. Um, and then if you want to say like, you want to get from, um, once you reach volume manufacturing, which is insanely difficult, uh, then you want to make the car affordable. It's harder to say, reduce the, the, uh, cost of the car by 20% than it is to get to volume production in the first place. Um, so I, I really cannot emphasize enough, um, how hard production is relative to design. I'm not saying you, the design is trivial because you have to have taste and you have to know what to make. Um, if you don't have a taste and judgment that, then your prototype will be bad. Um, but it is, uh, it is trivial, really, to turn out prototypes, and it is extremely difficult to build a factory. And how much more difficult is it to make this considering the bodies made out of steel? It's a very difficult. Um, the difficulty of manufacturing is proportionate to the amount of new technology that you have in a car and or in the product. And in this case, there's a lot of new technology. The production line will move as fast as the slowest and least lucky, um, and most foolish, uh, part of the entire production line. And you could say to first approximation, there are 10,000 things that have to go right at least for production to work. So if you have 99,999 things that are working and one that isn't, that sets the production rate. Yeah, by far the hard. In fact, the, the, the really, the, the amazing thing about automobiles was not so much the invention of the automobile, but the, the invention of the factory, the mass manufacturing. And for that, Henry Ford deserves a tremendous amount of credit. Um, uh, he was next level genius. Um, in fact, Ford is really responsible for the entire mass manufacturing industry. Um, because he, he actually founded Cadillac, which was the heart of General Motors, then got kicked out, then started Ford. Really? Yeah. Then everyone, everyone just copied him. Do you know he made one of his first cars out of hemp? Well, he used hemp fiber for panels. Okay. Yeah, it's a, there's a fascinating video of him banging on it with a hammer because hemp is, uh, bizarrely durable when it's, uh, compressed. And when they take the fibers and I, I don't know what kind of epoxy they use or something to put it all together, but what, what it makes with the, the actual physical form of it is insanely light, like fiberglass light, but very, very durable. See if you can find the video. It's kind of crazy. Henry Ford is banging on, uh, it was the hood of it with a hammer. Here it is. So this was like, look at that. That crazy. That was wild. I don't know why they stopped making them out of that. That was from 1941. How much does the Cyber truck weigh? Uh, depends on configuration, but it's about, I know, 7,000 pounds. Oh, six. There are different versions, but 6, 7,000 pounds. It's, it's like similar to like, it's a heavy truck, like a Ford F-250 or something like that. Yeah. And it, because of, uh, all of the, the, the metal and the weight and everything like that, but with the engines that you have, it's still the 0 to 60 is pretty bizarre, right? It's like 3.5 or something like that. Well, I get the 0 to 60 below three seconds. Below three? Yes. Wow. For the, you know, the beast mode version. So we've got a beast mode version that's, uh, um, so there's, there's, there's, well, I don't want to give it all away right now, but, um, there, there are three demonstrations. One of them people are aware of, which is, uh, you know, emptying a Tommy gun into the side of the car, um, a shotgun, 45, and a 9 mil, and no penetrations. Wow. And that, that comes, that comes that way from the factory. Can I try it with an arrow? Yeah, it'll be fine. You think so? I mean, I bet I can get in a crossbow. Might I have a 90-pound compound bow that shoots 520-grain arrows at 300 feet per second with a, I think, an razor sharp broadhead. We're going to try right now if you want. I wish I had it with me. Um, I don't. Is it at your house or something? Yeah. Should we send someone to go get it? Do the demo tonight? That would be interesting. I'll maybe I'll drive back with an arrow sticking out of my car. I bet I can get in there. Okay. I'll bet you can't really. Yeah, about your dollar. Damn. I'd like, damn. I think, I think if you have a, a crossbow that's with with enough force, you might. A crossbow, thing about a crossbow is the bolt, even though it's very fast, it's not going to be nearly as heavy. You, you won't have as many. You, you can make a, a heavy crossbow bow. You could. Yeah, but generally, uh, crossbow bolts are considerably lighter. They're much smaller, you know, and they, they, they're much faster. They're, they're moving at like 400, 500 feet per second, easy. Yeah, I mean, the, the thing that matters is kind of the energy per unit area. So, so interesting. Like, like a, like a 9 mil or 45, which is basically sort of a 10 mil. Um, the, the 45 is, they're roughly the same, but the, the 45 actually slightly worse penetration. Not a 9 mil. You know what I just realized? I do have some broadheads. I do have some broadheads and I have a less powerful bow, but I have an 80-pound bow back there. I think we should do it. Absolutely. Okay. When you want to do it? Right now. Yeah, I can do it right now. Okay, let's do it right now. Let's now [ __ ] yeah, let's do it. Sick. We'll be right back. This could be funny. I just like, why does he have an arrow sticking out of his car? This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. It's a really healthy, good thing to talk about what you're going through with people, the good and the bad. Don't keep it all bottled up. And sometimes it that can be friends or family, but it also helps to talk to pros. And that's where BetterHelp comes in. It's therapy that's totally online, which makes it so easy to get started. You just fill out a few quick questions and they match you with someone to talk to. And if you don't get the right match at first, you can switch therapists at any time for free. It's easy, it's flexible, it's wherever you are. 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Yeah, it's, uh, like I said, you, um, we have a cool video we'll show at the handover event next month, which is emptying an entire magazine of a Tommy gun, which think like on the order of 50 rounds, uh, just go, you're just going full El Capone, you know, like on the side of the car, shotgun, 9 mil, 45. And you built it like this, just for fun? Well, I mean, uh, cuz it's cooler. I mean, cuz you can, you know, uh, trucks are supposed to be tough, right? Yeah. So is your truck bulletproof? No, mine is. Mine is definitely not. Exactly. And if I shot mine with my, my bow would go right through it, 100%. 100%. If, if you, if you shoot any normal car, unlike in the movies where people hide behind car doors, uh, car door is basically a very thin mild steel, uh, so, uh, if you, if you shoot a gun at through, through like a regular truck, it'll go out. It'll go through both doors. So, um, it's, you can't hide behind a, a car door like they do in the movies. You know, the back way, back in the day, dating myself, at the, the A-Team, where they would like, you know, they'd be like, bullets flying everywhere and they'd be hiding behind the car door, right? That doesn't work. Um, but it doesn't, a Cyber truck did. Was there ever invest in apocalyptic technology? Yeah, well, you know, it's an amazing car to have in the apocalypse. Yeah. Doesn't it also, does it still do this thing where the ride height raises? So you can, and there's also no regular drivetrain, so there's no axles that correct are the, uh, impediment to going over rocks and things like that? Yeah, normally in a, in a, in, in other vehicles, gas or diesel vehicles, you've got the, um, differential, which, uh, hangs down low between the, the rear wheels. So you, like, look under a car, under a truck, it's, there's almost always a differential there that's hanging out pretty low. So if you hit the diff on a, on a rock, you'll break it. Yeah, but there's no, there's, there's no, um, at the bottom of the sub truck is completely flat and has the best clear height of any, any vehicle. How far away are we, if it's ever going to happen at all, from having a vehicle that can operate entirely on solar? Well, you've got a solar area thing. Um, so it's about a kilowatt per square meter normal to the sun, roughly. Um, so you just, it really depends on what kind of mileage you, you can't, um, you don't have enough surface area to keep the car going just from the car's area, but if you had like something that that folded out, you, you could, um, you could make it self-sustaining. Something that folded out. So like you could park it and then leave it on. Yeah, you'd have to like unfold like, like the Starlink satellites do, where you unfold the, the solar panels. You know, just, you just need more surface area. You need, um, is there any potential potential for an advancement in technology that would make a smaller area much better at conducting sun? Nothing. No. It's, it's a kilowatt per square meter. That's what you're going to get when the sun, if you're normal to the sun, so at 90 degrees to the sun. And there's nothing that could accelerate that? Or no, that's just literally the, the solar. It, yeah. So then you, then you multiply your efficiency by that. So if you commercial panel is like maybe 25% efficient, if they're a good one, so you get like 250 watts per square meter. 10t car, what was it like a Fisker that was using a solar panel that, uh, claimed that it was operating like the, the electronics, like it could start the radio? It, yeah. Um, I mean, you, you can definitely, you just, it, you just don't have enough surface area for for it. But like, um, but you, you, you can, like, certainly, um, you could run a house with solar with the, with the solar roof and the Tesla solar roof, you can run a house. But it's never going to get to a point where you can just have a car that's made out of solar panels that it could drive around. Just could never be that efficient. Correct. So you do not have enough surface area. What, what research or what, what breakthroughs have been made in terms of battery technology? Like, how far away are we from having batteries that are far more efficient and last far longer? Cuz I know there was some talk of like sodium-based batteries. The battery, battery range is, uh, not a problem at this point. I mean, the, the Model S will go 400 miles. Model, Model 3, Model, Model Y will do over 300 miles. So, you know, that's, that's more than most people need. So, yeah, right. But are we, I mean, how far are we from making batteries that are more efficient? This is like, we obviously haven't, at least saying this is not really a constraint, um, at the point in which you've got a car that can do, let's say, even at high, at highway speeds, uh, 250 miles, then, um, or let's say, turn 40 miles, uh, at 80 miles per hour. Now you're driving for three hours straight, um, and so if you start a trip at say 9:00 AM, by noon, you want to stop for lunch, go to the restroom, grab a coffee. By the time you come back, your car is charged. How long does it take to fully charge? Uh, yeah, like half an hour. Well, you don't want to. It's a, the people will get used to it because it's a little different. Um, you know, uh, like for a gasoline car, you, you'd want to fill it up. For an electric car, you, you, you'd want to actually go very close to zero. And the car can calculate how much range it has with precision. So if you, if you put, say, enter a road trip in in a Tesla, it'll, it'll calculate, um, all of the superchargers along the way, where, where you should stop, how much you should charge, and just, just let the computer do its thing. And it'll, it'll, it'll work well. Um, so you actually want to, uh, charge to about 80% and then run it down all the way to 10%? I say, or less. Do, do you want to do that on everyday use as well, or just with long trips? No, just long trips. If you're trying to minimize the amount of time you, you stop when charging, um, so let's say you want to, you know, stop for 20, 30 minutes, uh, then, um, you, you really, it's, it's a little counterintuitive because for a gasoline car, you would fill it up. For for a battery, um, the, the charge state tapers off as you get above 80%. You can think of it like the, it's, I think the right analogy here is cars in a, in a parking lot. So the, the lithium ions are trying to find a parking space. As they, as they move across, um, you know, from one side of the battery to the other side, from, you know, cathode, anode, I mean, they're, they're sort of just these ions are just bouncing around looking for a parking space. So when the parking lot's empty, it's, you, they can zip right in there and find a spot. It's easy. Um, as the parking lot gets full, just like trying to find a parking space at a mall, you have to hunt around for a spot. And, and that's, that's basically what's going on is the, the ions are looking for a parking spot. Um, so as the battery gets closer to full, it's harder and harder to find, find a spot. They have to bounce around more. So it takes longer. From 80 to 100? Correct. Getting from 80 to 100, it takes about as much time as getting from 0 to 80. Oh, just think of like the island got to find a parking spot. Oh, and just like if you're in a mall and like, and it's busy, then it takes longer to find a parking spot than if it's empty. So essentially, you're satisfied with the, the technology that's available right now in terms of like the amount of mileage that you get out of it and things along those lines. Yeah, range is not an issue. Um, cost is, is more of an issue. So just need to make the car affordable. A long-range car needs to be affordable. When you fully roll out, uh, how many of those things, how many Cyber trucks can you guys make a month? Um, we're aiming to make about, uh, 200,000 a year at volume production. Wow. Maybe a little more. But, uh, I, I just can't emphasize enough that manufacturing is much, much harder than the initial design. Um, you know, you, you, you can, not that the Cyber truck was easy to design. I'm not trying to trivialize design. It's just what I'm trying to do is to emphasize the difficulty of manufacturing, which is not, uh, understood by the public. Mmm, because there's no movie about it. So there's lots of movies about the, the sort of wild inventor in the garage, um, but the, I'm not aware of any movie about manufacturing. Have you ever heard of a movie of man about manufacturing? I can't remember any. Jamie, any movie about manufacturing coming in my brain? But I, I don't think that's what it's even about. So I have no idea what is. Is that the Michael Keaton was making some cars in somewhere? I, I was going to look it up. Ian, it's Tommy Boy. Yes. The only one that's a great movie. That might be the only one that's interesting that it's such an immense part of, uh, American culture and also the decline of some American cities. I mean, it's famously, uh, documented in Roger & Me, which is a great documentary where he just talks about how Flint got destroyed when they pulled out the car manufacturing. Yeah, yeah. Um, I mean, there's a reason why, um, generally politicians are really try very hard to get a factory in their area because it's a massive generator of jobs. And for every factory job, there's like five, roughly five, um, support jobs. You know, so it's like teachers, electricians, plumbers, uh, lawyers, accountants, what not, um, restaurants. Uh, so there's, so, so manufacturing is kind of like a, a nucleus from which many jobs spring. That's why it's, uh, generally, you know, governors and prime ministers and presidents will try so hard to get a factory in their, um, country or region. When you decided to build the Gigafactory and what you decided, well, just even when you decided to get involved with Tesla, did you have any idea of how difficult this would be? Did you have a preconceived notion? I thought it would be very difficult. I, I thought our probability of success was less than 10%. Whoa. Yeah. I mean, it would be foolish to think anything else other than that. I mean, the, even at this point, the, the only car companies that have not gone bankrupt are Ford and Tesla, American car companies. You know, General Motors went bankrupt and Chrysler went bankrupt in 2009. Um, there's some chance they'll go bankrupt again. Ford and Tesla barely made it. Um, it was incredibly difficult to keep Tesla alive when General Motors and Chrysler were going bankrupt. So, because manufacturing is the actual hard thing, not that by far the hard thing, I just can't emphasize that enough. And I, I hope somebody makes a movie about that. Maybe they should make a movie about Tesla. Sure. Why not? Yeah. Perfect. Who would you want to play you? I don't care. How about David Spade? Anyone? No, I don't care. I'm kidding. I, I don't care if anyone plays me. I, I, but I do think that I just went back to Tommy Boy. Yeah. We rocks. Um, so, um, you know, Jim Jim Farley is the, uh, CEO of Ford, and he's Chris Farley's cousin. No way. Yes. Wow. That's crazy. Yes. That's crazy. And they look, I mean, they look [Laughter] related. Yeah. There, uh, there should be a movie. Yeah, I just, you got to get someone good that doesn't [ __ ] it up. Someone doesn't. Well, I mean, the thing is that writers are just disconnected from manufacturing. They just never see it. So, right. Um, and I guess you have to try to create some narrative. A, um, I mean, there are some shows like How It's Made type of thing, um, but they're pretty niche. Um, but I, I know some of a broken record here, but I can't emphasize enough how that it is insanely difficult to manufacture. Makes sense. Yeah. Well, it particularly makes sense when there's something that novel, something is, but ultimately cool as [ __ ]. Yeah. Um, what has it been like, uh, you've, you've owned X for a year now? Oh, yeah. Do you, do you ever wake up in the middle of the night and have a dream that you didn't do it and your life is infinitely easier? Well, it's certainly, um, a recipe for trouble, I suppose, or contention. Um, what was it, ultimately, that led you to make the decision to do it? I mean, this is going to sound, uh, somewhat melodramatic, but I was worried about that that it was having a corrosive effect on civilization, that I was, uh, just having a bad, a bad impact. Um, and, um, I think part of it is that it's where it's where it was located, which is, uh, you know, downtown San Francisco. And while I, I think San Francisco is a beautiful city and and we should really fight hard to, um, kind of write the ship of San Francisco. If you've walked around downtown San Francisco, right near the X FK Twitter headquarters, it's a zombie apocalypse. I mean, it's rough. Have you, have you been in that area? Not lately. No. I've heard it's crazy. I've heard it's crazy. I've heard you, you really can't believe it until you actually go there. You can't believe it until you go there. So now you have to say, well, what philosophy led to that outcome? And that philosophy was being piped to Earth. Um, so, you know, a philosophy that would be ordinarily quite niche and geographically constrained, so the, that sort of the fallout area would be limited, was effectively given an information, a weapon, tech, information technology weapon to propagate, what is essentially a mind virus to the rest of both. And the outcome with that mind virus is very clear. If you walk around the streets of downtown San Francisco, it is the end of civilization. And it's not just propagating the mind virus, but suppressing any opposing viewpoints. Yes. Well, in order for the virus to propagate, it must suppress opposing both viewpoints. So because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Correct. Yeah. I mean, you, I mean, you've, you, you, you've felt the, the virus. Yeah. Yeah. People try to cancel you so many times. Yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah. Um, I don't think you're melodramatic at all. I, I, I think it's a, I mean, I don't want to be melodramatic, but it's almost like a death cult. It's a death cult. No, no, that is exactly right. Um, it, it, it's essentially the, uh, extinctionist. Like, it's in the limit, it is that they're propagating, uh, the extinction of humanity and civilization. And, and there's some people who are, like, most, most of the time it's, it's implicit, they don't express, but sometimes it's explicit. Like, there was a guy on the front page of the New York Times, uh, who literally has the thing called the extinctionist movement. And he was quoted on the front page of New York Times as saying, uh, there are 8 billion people on the world, but it would be better if there were none. And I'm like, well, buddy, you can start with yourself. Yeah. Um, does he have friends? That's what always fascinates me. Well, here he is. That guy. He looks like you. Not long for this earth. I mean, doesn't voluntary human extinction movement? That's hilarious. Spend, I'd like to party with that dude. I would just like to, like, that's, that's, that's the death, that's, that's an explicit version of the death cult. Yeah. May and die out. It's, I mean, it's, it's not, extinction is a word he uses. Yes. No, I mean, it's not a, it's literally a self-description. They cover was in charge of social, social media, yeah, and still largely is at, uh, Google and Facebook, by the way. Yeah. So I'm like, uh, I'm not in favor of, uh, human extinction. They are. And they can go to hell. Well, that guy is, yeah, he can go to hell. That guy seems silly. I like to hang out with him though. I would like to find out what makes him tick. I bet that guy is fascinating. This episode is brought to you by DraftKings. We're more than halfway through the NFL season, but DraftKings Sportsbook is still pumping out unbeatable offers every single game. New customers can bet just five bucks on anything to get $200 instantly in bonus bets. DraftKings isn't stopping there. 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But the, the, in the limit, uh, if you go, if, if you take environmentalism to an extreme, you, you start to view humanity as a plague on the surface of the Earth, like a, like a mold or something, right? Um, and, but it's, this is actually false. The Earth could take probably 10 times the, the current civilization. The, the population could be, you could 10x the population without, uh, destroying the forest. So the, the, the environmental movement, and I'm an environmentalist, has gone too far. They've gone way too far. Um, you know, if you, if you saw thinking that that humans are bad, then the natural conclusion is humans, uh, should die out. Now, I'm headed to an AI safety, international, sort of AI safety conference, uh, later tonight, leaving in about three hours. Um, and, um, I meet with the British Prime Minister, a number of other people. Um, so you have to say, like, how could AI go wrong? Well, if, if AI gets programmed by the extinctionist, it will, its utility function will be the extinction of humanity. Yeah, clearly. Yeah, yeah. I mean, particularly if they won't even think it's bad, like that guy, right? If you let a, there's a lot of decisions that AI would make that would be very similar to eugenics. I mean, there would there would be some radical changes in what people are allowed to and not allowed to do that allow them to survive that may be detrimental in terms of like pollution and things like that, but it may be the only solution they have in their area. I mean, maybe AI would come up with some sort of a different structure in terms of how they get power and resources, but there's no shortage of power. Um, like we talked about solar power for cars, the, the issue is the cars just have a very low surface area. Um, but you, you could actually power the entire United States with, uh, 100 miles by 100 miles of solar. Really? Yes. So you can just pick some dead spot that you fly. We still plenty cover that sucker up with solar panels and charge the whole country. Absolutely. 24/7. You need batteries, but yes. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's not hard. I mean, meaning it's like, it's very feasible. In fact, uh, I mean, the, the, the sun is a converting of over 4 million tons of mass to energy every second, and it's no maintenance. That thing just works. That we have a giant fusion reactor in the sky that is the sun. In fact, people like someone's like, what about in a radiation? I'm like, the sun is literally a nuclear reactor in the sky. Yeah. Are you scared to go in daylight? Rocks of radiation? Yes. The, the radiation risk is greatly, uh, overestimated. You know, um, I always wonder why radiation is always bad in real life, but always awesome in comic books. Yeah, exactly. Get bit by radioactive spider and suddenly you have spider abilities. Get hit with gamma rays, I, what if you're a radioactive cockroach? It'd be like the Cockroach Man. Yeah, you can be one of the X-Men. Yeah, yeah. It's a, I, I think the, the problem is like, most people just don't understand what radiation is, and so it just sounds like a mysterious invisible death rate. Well, it's almost like drugs. Like we think of it, we put a blanket over it, like it's all one thing. You know, radiation is Chernobyl, you know, right? I mean, the thing is, you can go to, you can actually tour Chernobyl right now. So is, you, you can actually go to the, well, I mean, this war zone, but apart from that, the, the issue is, you know, more getting shot than it is. There's, you don't have a radiation risk. Uh, I mean, but the problem is like, I think when people don't understand what radiation is, they, they just, they can't see it, they can't feel it. They think, well, I could just die at any moment, like from a magic death ray, right? Um, you know, I've had people say like, oh, the radiation from their phone is going to hurt them, or they're scared of the microwave. I'm like, when you say radiation, do you mean particles or photons? And if you mean, uh, photons, what wavelength? Um, and they're like, I don't know what you mean. That's, they don't know anything about that, right? They just have, they're afraid of the term. But it's because of Three Mile Island and Fukushima, we've been. Yeah, but nobody died of radiation from Fukushima. Not one person. True. In fact, but I, but I was asked by people in California like, when, when Fukushima happened, um, whether the, the radiation would get to California. I'm like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And so, actually, to help support Japan, I flew to Fukushima and ate locally grown vegetables on TV, and I'm still alive. I have a friend, he's very smart, but he won't eat fish out of the Pacific because he's worried about the radiation from Fukushima. Yeah, that's that's irrational. There is no physics substance to that, I would say at all. Not even slightly. I'm going to send him this clip. Yes. Go back to the sushi place, bro. No, you, you should be. If you eat too much tuna, you can get mercury. Yes. Correct. Mercury poisoning from tuna is a real thing. You can get arsenic from sardines too. I found that out the hard way. Really? Yeah, ate too many sardines. Yeah, I ate my, I got my blood work done and the doctor says, you have arsenic in your blood. And I go, someone poisoning me? He goes, it's very, very low level. It's like, is your girlfriend angry at you? Like, and I said, yeah, I eat like three cans of sardines a night. That's a lot of sardines, man. I love sardines. I mean, yeah, it's, they're them. I really do. S. I've always loved sardines. Okay. I love them. But turns out, like, you can't eat too much of it because they got, yeah, they're not good for you. Okay. Yeah. I mean, a little sardines once in a while, but not three cans a night. Well, for me, it's like, I come home late from the comedy club, but I want something easy to eat, and I want, I don't want to stop fast food. So I open up a few cans of sardines and I'll, you know, watch a little TV, eat a few cans of sardines. Doing it every night. And then I stopped doing it and I got my blood work done a couple months later, it was gone. Yeah. So. Well, I, I think anchovies really, really, uh, pip up a Caesar salad. Yeah, they do. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of anchovies as well. One of my favorite pizzas ever is pineapple and anchovy. Double pineapple, double anchovy. It's amazing. It's the sweet and the salty, and then you got the tomato sauce and the cheese. It's my favorite pizza. It's very good. I mean, as a kid, I was like, very much a G Hawaiian pizza. And as an adult, I like it. Hawaiian's good, but I'm telling you, anchovies, pineapple is the bomb diggity. That's the bomb diggity. I'll give it a shot. That's the bomb diggity. Hey, wait, can we order some right now? Is that feasible? I, I bet we could. Okay, let's try it. That'd be sick. Yeah, I can do. We'll have someone out there. Have Jeff order, uh, a very large pizza with double pineapple, double anchovies. Great. Fantastic. I'm hungry. [ __ ] go. Yes, let's [ __ ] go. No time like the present. Enjoy life. Well, there's got to be a good spot around here. Tell we'll find a good spot and tell them it's for us. They'll, they'll cook it up. If they, if they won't, if they won't the pizza. All right, tell them we'll mention their name. Tell them we'll mention their name on the podcast. Don't tell them it's us. Yeah, tell them it's us. [ __ ] it. If they're going to close, tell them we, we'll mention their name. What is this? What is this salty sauce that's so mysterious? Oh, no. Right. Don't tell them it's us. Good call. Yeah, don't tell us. Make sure you don't buy it from any liars. What, what is the salty, tangy substance? Don't buy it from East Austin. Don't buy from anyone who still wears a mask. There's a lot of them out there. There's a lot of them out there. They're still masked up. It's wild. Yeah. Once in a while, I see someone paranoid. I'm like, on the street. Yeah, I saw a guy on the street the other day, just walking around with a mask on him. Like, okay, buddy, you look like you're about 28 years old. Yeah, I think you're going to be okay. Be okay. Yeah, you're probably not going to be okay breathing that [ __ ] same air in that mask and all the bacteria spitting out. Yeah, it's attaching to that cloth. Yeah, it, it, it's, masks are not like some magic, uh, health shield. Um, I mean, there are, there are times where, you know, masks are warranted, like if a surgeon is operating on you or whatever, then you don't want the surgeon spitting in your wound, you know, of course. Um, but, uh, most of the time, a mask is not good for you. If you can breathe out of it, that means you can, you, you're breathing in. That means you're also exhaling. So like, how much is it filtering? Like, what is it? What it's like a, I'd say like a mask is much like a sort of a shield in battle in that, uh, yeah, you know, it'll help protect you a little bit from arrows, stuff, but it's not, doesn't make you arrowproof. We're just talking about, you know, shooting arrows and stuff right there. There's so, I mean, there are times when when masks are warranted, but most of the time, it's, it's actually counterproductive. Well, that was one of the things about the old Twitter was the propaganda and, yeah, the adherence to whatever the CDC was saying and the dismissing of legitimate scientists, guys like, uh, Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford, and legit guys. Yes. And they were suppressing them and even banning them. They banned Alex Berenson. I mean, this is it was wild. They banned Alex for essentially reading peer-reviewed papers. Yeah. No, I, I mean, all Twitter was basically an arm of the government. Yeah. So was that shocking? Like, what was that like? Is that, to me, that was the most bizarre was the Twitter files when you let Shellenberger and Matt Taibbi and all those guys get in the Twitter and the response were, Matt Taibbi gets audited. I mean, which is just wild. I mean, it's just so blatant and so in your face. Yeah, it's weird. No, I mean, the, yeah, the, the great to which, and by the way, Jack didn't really know, know this, but the degree to which Twitter was simply, uh, an arm of the government was not well understood by the public. And it was, there was no, it was whatever the official government, it was like Pravda, basically. Um, you know, a state publication is the way to think of old Twitter. It's a state publication. And was the justification from their perspective that they are progressive liberals, they have the right intentions, it's important that they stay in power, that the progressive liberals stay in government and power because this is the, this is their, there was, there was, uh, basically oppression of, uh, any any views that would even, I would say, be considered middle of the road, um, but certainly anything on the, the right. I'm not talking about like, like far right, I'm just talking mildly right. The people like Republicans were suppressed at 10 times the rate of Democrats. Um, now that's because, uh, old Twitter was fundamentally controlled by the far left. It was like completely controlled by the, the far left. And that's why I say like, like San Francisco, Berkeley is a niche ideology. It's hard to say like, is there a place that's more far left than San Francisco, Berkeley? Maybe Portland. Maybe Portland. But it's like, it's right there. It's those two places are the, the most far left places, uh, in America. Yes. Um, so from their standpoint, everything is to the right, including moderates, right? Right. So now, if, if you internalize a far left position, everything seems wrong to you that is not far left, right? And so they naturally oppressed any anything that didn't agree with their views. That's why I say that it was an accidental far-left information weapon. So, is because like Silicon Valley attracts the smartest engineers, the smartest sort of technologists and programmers from around the world. They created an information weapon that was then harnessed by the far left, who could not themselves create the weapon, but happened to be collocated where the technologists were and happened to be aligned politically with the people that possessed it. The technologists are generally are moderate, maybe moderate left, but they, they're not, they're, they're not far left. That's why I say San Francisco, Berkeley, it's, it doesn't even extend to South San Francisco or even to Palo Alto. So, so SF, Berkeley is the most far left, um, perhaps, you know, in a competition with Portland, but I'd say SF, Berkeley is more far left even than Portland. Like literally in America, it's, we're talking about an area that's maybe a 10-mile radius. And so the normally the, the effects, the negative effects of a far-left ideology that is would be geographically limited to a 10-mile radius, that's like not, it's small. Like the, so, so any, any bad effects of that ideology would be geographically constrained under normal circumstances and have been in the past. But when you have, uh, basically a technological megaphone, which which was Twitter and social media in general, suddenly the, the far left handed a megaphone to Earth, a, a an incredibly powerful technology weapon that they themselves could not create, but they happened to be collocated with the technologists who created it by accident. Is it shocking that more people don't understand how dangerous that is? I think some people understand. Um, some people do. Some people understand. Um, so I mean, from the standpoint of of some of people who used to be at Twitter, the people like, well, it's a big shift to the right. That is correct. It is a shift to the right because everything is to the right. If you're far left, everything is to the right. But it's, but how many far left people have actually been suspended or or banned from from Twitter now? X? Zero. So it's really just moved to the center. But from the perspective of the far left, it is, it's moved to the right. He like, everything's relative. The, the difference in moderation, sorry, I should say it's propagated that far left philosophy not just to America, but to everywhere on Earth. Right. Yeah, yeah. And with the same level suppression in other countries as well. Yes. But the Taliban is on Twitter, right? Like I always think of like, hey, Mr. Taliban, telling your banana. [Laughter] I mean, there, but there's definitely some people on Twitter that are, I want to go. Um, yeah, so the point, the point is, um, I, that I, from my standpoint, uh, that is that X FK Twitter.

Should, uh, represent the sort of collective consciousness of humanity. So, now, that that means that there's going to be views on there that you don't like, um, or disagree with, um, but that's humanity. So, are you going to exclude them or or not?

Now, I mean, if if somebody, you know, breaks the law, then then the account is suspended. I mean, if they, uh, actively advocate murder, then the account is suspended. We, we do have what we call like the kind of United Nations exclusion rule, which is that you can have, say, the Ayatollah, who, you know, uh, would would prefer that Israel didn't exist, for example. Um, and, um, but he's allowed to go to the UN building in New York. Um, and, uh, in fact, generally officials from Iran, uh, do in fact go to the UN building in New York, um, even though they are a heavily sanctioned country. So, so I think that there's there's merit to having, uh, just like there's merit, there's some merit to the UN. One can disagree with the UN, and I think one, we shouldn't have a world government that we bow down to, but in fact, that's risky for civilization. But I think you do want to have the leaders of countries, uh, represented, um, on social media. You want to hear what they have to say, even if what they say is terrible.

But I think that is true across the board. And I think one of the things you just said that's very important is that's humanity. And it's, I think it's important that a, a social media platform, especially the biggest one, represents humanity. So we understand what we're talking about. Because if we have this distorted idea of what people think and want and need, because everyone only exists inside this ideological bubble, and anything outside of that bubble gets censored, yes, then that changes, literally changes the tone of the entire country. Changes what people think is okay and not okay. Makes people feel differently. Yes, it's not humanity, it's different. It's a, a very, uh, forced version of humanity. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

So, um, I mean, the whole point of free speech, the only free speech is only relevant. The First Amendment is only relevant, um, if you allow people you don't like to say things you don't like. Um, because if you like it, you don't need a First Amendment. So the whole point of free speech is that frankly, even people you hate say things you hate. Because if they can say, if people you hate can say things that that you hate, that means that they can't stop you from saying what you want to say, right? Which is very, very important, right? But the problem with Twitter was it was not the case. It was correct. The, it was people that you hate couldn't say anyone they didn't like. They censor, yeah. Or that what's called de-amplify. No, well, not just de-amplify, but under the behest of the government would suppress real news, which was very bizarre. Yes. So they were very aware of something being accurate, and they still suppressed it because the government wanted them to suppress it. I mean, in my view, there have been severe First Amendment violations by multiple government agencies, and there should be repercussions for that.

And is it, is it, do different laws apply because it's a privately owned social media company? I mean, what, what, what laws do apply in terms of like, when you're looking at it? One of the arguments that the leftists would use is, it's a private company, they can do whatever they want. Yeah, it's funny that when the shoe's on the other foot, they now say the private company can't do whatever it wants. Well, yeah, now they're upset. Now it's like, but the, the, the government itself is not allowed to censor speech. Um, but in, in my view, the government de facto did censor speech, and there should at least be a case where, uh, that is heard by the public. Um, because if the government, um, civilly coerces, you know, a platform, a sort of a coerces the press, um, then I think that is, or should be, a First Amendment violation. Well, they can't do it with other media forms, right? They're not allowed to do it with any other. They're not, they're not allowed to try to do that with a newspaper. That that get in trouble, would they? You know, that's the question. It's like, you didn't know about F, the, the federal government, you didn't know about the intelligence agencies inside of Twitter until we found out. Like, do you think that this is ubiquitous? Is this, it's absolutely all the social media companies. In fact, right now, X, if you know for, for, as Twitter, is the only one that that is not, uh, cowed to the government. It's the only one. There isn't. All the others just do exactly what the government wants. That's wild. Yes. What I was getting at, do you think that that's everywhere? Yes. Do you think that that's CNN? Do you think that that's the New York Times? Do you think that that's the Washington Post? Because if they were going to infiltrate media, they're going to infiltrate social media. The, I mean, it is weird the degree to which the media is in lockstep. Like, why is the media in lockstep? And why doesn't the media question the government? They used to, right? Why don't they do that anymore? Seems weird. Something doesn't add up.

What do you think? Well, there seems like there's a bunch of factors, right? I think one of the big factors is pharmaceutical drug companies are allowed to advertise on television, and we're one of two countries in the world that allow that. I actually agree with pharmaceutical advertising. Provider, it is truthful, um, because there, there could be some drug that is helpful to someone, but obviously the claims need to be accurate. Um, so I actually think pharmaceutical advertising, if it is accurate, I think it actually, you know, play devil's advocate here. I think pharmaceutical advertising is generally accurate. Um, I, I think that's actually okay. Um, now, now I should say that that a lot of the censorship that we see is is is, um, is coming from indirectly from advertisers and advertising agencies, um, and from PR companies, um, who who want a particular viewpoint pushed, um, or are being, um, driven by, uh, nonprofits to, uh, push a particular. Like, what, what will happen is there'll be a sort of a group of nonprofits or or, you know, that that that push advertisers to advertise or not advertise on a particular platform. Um, you, one often hears of the sort of George Soros boogeyman, but I mean, Soros actually, you know, he, he is, I believe, the top contributor to the Democratic party. The second one was, uh, Sam Bankman-Fried. So, and Soros, I don't know. I mean, he had a very difficult upbringing, um, and, uh, in my opinion, he fundamentally hates humanity. That's my opinion. Really? Yeah. I mean, well, he's doing things that erode the fabric of civilization, you know, uh, getting DA's elected who refuse to prosecute crime. That's part of the problem in San Francisco and LA and much of other cities. So why would you do that? Was it human, or is it just the United States as a whole? Ian pushing things to other countries too? Same thing. Yeah. Now, George, at this point, is pretty old. I mean, he's not, you know, he's basically a Beto at this point. But I mean, he, and he's, he's very smart, um, and he's very good at arbitrage. You know, famously, he, uh, shorted the British pound. That's sort of how I think he made his first money was shorting the pound. Um, so he's good at spotting, uh, basically arbitrage, like spotting value for money that other people don't see. So, one of the things he noticed was that in that that the value for money in local races is much higher than it is in national races. The lowest value for money is a presidential race, then next lowest value for money is a Senate race, then a Congress, and then, but once you get to sort of city and state district attorneys, um, the value for money is extremely good. And Soros realized that you don't actually need to change the laws, you just need to change how they're enforced. If nobody chooses to enforce the law, or the laws are differentially enforced, it's life-changing the laws. That's what he, that's what he figured out.

But is what that this trend that people haven't pulled the brakes on this and have it reverse course? Pulling the brakes? Yeah. Yeah, pulling the brakes. Right now. Yeah. You are, but you might be the only one. Well, I think more people should. Most people just don't want to rock the boat. Um, most people are looking for acceptance from society, and they, they're, you know, if there's some negative press article, they're like, shattered. I couldn't give a damn. Right. Go ahead, make my day. Well, it's fascinating where if you're a high-profile public figure like yourself, no, there's no, there's, it's impossible to make everybody happy. So there's going to be someone who says something shitty about you. Yeah. Somehow or another, when it's in print, does that mean more because other people are going to see this shitty thing? Well, I guess that's where it gets odd, because essentially an article in the New York Times is just a single person's opinion, and who, whatever editor gets involved, it's just a lot of people will read that. I mean, less people, at least I think people know that now. People, the New York Times these days, be hard to read. Well, unfortunately, they make some grave errors. Yeah, like that Hamas bombing, the, the, no, the Israeli bombing, the hospital story. Yes. It's delicious. I mean, that, I think we should cut off chick-fil-A exports. That'll that'll bring them to their knees right away. What do you do? Take a trip and dip it in nothing? What we need to do is introduce them to pineapple and anchovy pizza. They will have. I hope that's coming. Is that coming? Do we have a, a pizza name, like a company? I think so. I'll, I'll get some information. Good one though. Pizza Leon. Oh, that's legit. It's pretty close. There we go. Nice. Did they give us a timeline? Uh, I, it shouldn't take too long. They're, are not too far away. Late. So it shouldn't. I would have bet 20 minutes, 30 minutes, maybe all right, max 40.

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You know, that's something like after I say, I've got a lot of respect for somebody's like willing to make pizza late at night. Yeah. My my hat is off. I mean, than that is like great, absolutely. You know, late night food. I appreciate the, if you can get a really good late night meal. Yeah. Hats off or wigs off. Up. Yeah. I'm, I'm a giant fan of very good late night food. And that's one of the things that like Los Angeles really used to have. They had a Pacific Dining Car where you can get a legit steak 24 hours a day. Really? That's great. Yeah. I don't know if it's still open in Downtown LA. I believe the one in Santa Monica closed. But a Pacific Dining Car in Downtown LA was a legit steakhouse, and you get it. We would leave The Comedy Store, 2:00, 3:00 in the morning, get a legit steak. That's cool. Is that still open? Temporarily closed. Ah, [ __ ] COVID got him. COVID just took out so many restaurants. Crazy. It's not coming back. Website seems to be down too. Yeah, they're not coming back. [ __ ] COVID got 70% of the restaurants in LA at one point. Wow. Not COVID, I should say policies. Well, lockdowns. The mind virus. I mean, it's like, just crazy. Um, I moved here. One, one of the reasons why I moved here is we came here in May of 2020, and you could go indoors and eat in restaurants. And and my kids, who were pretty young at the time, 10 and 12, they were like, we want to live here. Was like, they're freaked out. Like LA was weird. I mean, for most of COVID, I was actually in South Texas building this this, uh, Starship factory. Um, and, you know, we're just, yeah, no mask, no nothing, just building a factory, building rockets. Um, and then, you know, you have a team from California visit all masked up, and they'd freak out that we're not wearing masks. And we're like, we're still alive, man. Yeah. So, um, did you lose anybody? Did anybody from your factory die of COVID? Not that I'm aware of. Now. So, so part of it is that like, uh, that I, I kind of saw a dress rehearsal, which is that, you know, I kind of started in Wuhan. Um, and so Tesla's got, uh, 20,000 employees in in China. Um, and so the, you know, the first wave of COVID happened in China, and we had nobody died or got seriously ill. I was like, okay, well, like this is, you know, can't be that bad. If, and, and, and we're not relying on government statistics. We literally know who showed up for work, you know, right? Did they, did they badge in or not? Um, and we had no, no one die and no one got seriously ill. So I'm like, well, I don't know what the big deal is. Well, there's a problem that people still want to stick to this initial narrative that they believed, and that they espoused, like they repeated it. And so they'll still fight you on this today. People will still fight you today on the merits of the lockdowns, the importance of vaccine mandates, closing schools. There's people that stated an opinion in 2020, and they still are doing mental gymnastics to try to make it seem like that was the right choice. No, it was just a panic. Yeah. Um, and, and a lot of things got ascribed to COVID that had nothing to do with COVID. And in fact, I'd say in the beginning, um, the cure is worse than the disease. So, because people panic too much. And so that somebody would, um, get diagnosed with COVID, they put them on, uh, intubated ventilator for a week, and this was going to basically cook your lungs. So if you, if you are on pure O2, um, under pressure with a, a tube stuck down your throat, um, and, and under anesthetic, this is, this is very bad for you. Like, it's one thing if you do that for a couple hours for an operation, but you do that for a week, it's going to, it's going to roast your lungs. Like, what the air that we're breathing right now is is 78% nitrogen, 1% argon, about 21% oxygen, and, and some miscellaneous. Um, so if you ask most people, what are you breathing? They say oxygen. No, you're breathing nitrogen. Um, only about a fifth of it is is oxygen, and there about 1% argon. Um, so, so, um, now I know quite a lot about life support systems because we make spaceships, and there you have to keep people alive in a vacuum. So you got to say, okay, what percentage nitrogen, what percentage oxygen, you going to do, what's the pressure going to be? Um, and, uh, so like sea level pressure is about 15 pounds per square inch, um, and the partial pressure of oxygen, uh, at 20% being 20% is therefore roughly 3 pounds per square inch of oxygen. So in, in a, in a spacecraft, you want to, and especially if you're in a spacesuit, uh, you want to lower the pressure. So you want to keep the oxygen, still still give people enough oxygen to function, obviously, but you want to lower the nitrogen content so that you don't have a spacesuit that's at at 15 PSI, because at 15 PSI, you just, you know, just pop out like a balloon. It's like hard to move. Ah, so, so you want to try to lower the pressure, um, you know, down to around, I don't know, 6, 7 PSI, maybe even 5 PSI, um, so you'd lower it to, you know, try to keep the oxygen partial pressure of oxygen roughly the same, so maybe around 3 PSI, and then 3 PSI of of nitrogen, so you got a 50/50 mix of nitrogen and oxygen. And, um, and then you, it's get pretty hot into that. Weg. Yeah. Took it out. Made it a while. I just felt get hot. To I, I'm sweating. It's going to be sweaty and itchy a little bit. Yeah. Can't believe people wear them all day. Um, so anyway, so about keeping people alive in a vacuum, you know, um, so, um, you know, we designed the life support system for keeping humans alive in a vacuum, the vacuum of space, which is very difficult. Um, so we know quite a lot about, um, what it takes to keep people alive. So you do want, do not want to put people, um, you know, 100% oxygen for an extended period of time. This is actually for an extended period of time. This is not good for you. Well, 80% of the people they put on ventilators died. Yeah. So, in fact, I, I actually posted about that because, um, I, I called doctors in Wuhan and said, what are the biggest mistakes that you made on the first wave? Those were early on. And they said, we put far too many people on intubated ventilators. So then I, I actually posted on Twitter at the time and said, hey, uh, what I'm hearing from Wuhan is that they made a big mistake in putting people, uh, on intubated ventilators for an extended period, um, and that this, this is actually what is damaging the lungs, not COVID. It's the treatment. It's the cure is worse than the disease. And they, I just, people yelled at me and said, I'm not a doctor. I'm like, yeah, but I do make spaceships with life support systems. What do you do? Like, twiddle knobs? Like, okay, great. Yeah, rock on. Well, again, it was there was this very bizarre narrative that you had to believe everything that the government was telling you. You had to believe everything the CDC was telling you. And that even as time went on and we realized, hey, it looks like this came from a [ __ ] lab. Like, even as time went on, disputing that would get you banned. It would get you kicked off of YouTube. Yeah, I think to this day, there's certain things you're not allowed to say in regards to the vaccine on YouTube. As I said, the, the only media that is not, uh, does not have crazy censorship at this point is X. Yeah, that I'm aware of. Everyone else either, um, everything else is censored. Spotify isn't. That's why this. Daniel. Oh, Daniel. X is the man. Great. I love that dude. And, you know, I think more companies should follow suit. I don't think it has to be this way. Unfortunately for us, they're, they're in Sweden. And Stockholm, Sweden, they have a very different perspective syndrome on all this [ __ ]. Yeah.

What's wild about the nitrogen is that like, that's most of the nitrogen from fertilizer. We suck out of the air. Sorry. The, what do you mean? Most of the nitrogen for fertilizer, we suck out of the air. Yeah. Yeah. One, one of the actually, the big, um, inventions in chemistry was binding nitrogen. It's, nitrogen is actually fairly inert. Um, so it's quite hard to, um, to actually pull nitrogen out of there and bind it into, like, uh, ammonia. Like, like the process for creating ammonia was was actually very important. The Haber process. Yeah. Fritz Haber. Yeah. Same guy who invented Zyklon B. Um, but it was actually very important to, uh, bind nitrogen from the air, uh, to fertilizer. So, um, that, that actually was, frankly, it's a life-saving invention, um, at scale, um, because you just run out of, of, of nitrogen. Um, so, like, nitrogen, pure nitrogen is is a low energy state. So to try to bind it into fertilizer requires light energy to do that. That's quite, quite tricky. So that was a very important breakthrough. Yeah. I read that 50% of the nitrogen in most people's body comes from that method. Um, 50% of the nitrogen in most people's body that they've consumed from food. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because of, because of that. That might be true. Um, it was a fundamental problem for, um, most of civilization is how do you get, uh, nitrogen for the plants. Um, the limiting factor, in fact, even in the rainforest is like the nitrogen is is bound nitrogen.

What are the, when you do eventually colonize Mars, what, what's the idea in terms of terraforming? Is it contained ecosystems that were are under domes? Like, what, what are you planning on doing to make it habitable? Well, at first, you would have to have a life support system. Um, because Mars has a low-density atmosphere, only about 1% the density of Earth, and it's primarily CO2. Um, now, over time, you could, you can terraform Mars. Terraform means make it like Earth, essentially. Um, and if you warm Mars up, you will, um, there's a bunch of frozen CO2 that will evaporate, densify the atmosphere, and, um, you'd actually want kind of global warming on Mars. 'Cause Mars is about 50% further away from the Sun than the Earth. Um, so it gets about less than half the solar energy that that Earth does. And it's believed at one point in time, Mars had a, a much different environment, right? Uh, it is, it appears highly likely that Mars had liquid oceans, I'll be it a long time ago. There's a lot of ice. So this, this Mars is, um, covered in ice. Um, and now the ice is then covered in dust for the most part, except at the poles. Um, so there's, there's, there's a lot of ice. In fact, I believe if, if Mars was warmed up, you'd have an ocean about a mile deep on, uh, 40% of that of the planet. Wow. So it's, it's quite a lot of water. And do we think that it was like that one point in time? The evidence suggests that, uh, it is most likely that Mars had, uh, liquid water. What's the prevailing theory of its demise? Well, just over time, the solar system cooled. So Earth used to be much hotter. Like, it, in the very early Earth was like molten rock. Um, you know, so really almost nothing could survive in the beginning. We were just a ball of lava. We're still mostly a ball of lava. Um, we're like, uh, like there's a thin crust, and, and it's mushy, mushy rock under super, very hot, mushy rock underneath. Um, and technically, that that rock is on in a semi-solid state, but as soon as it gets to a low pressure, like pops out of the ocean, uh, you have a volcano, obviously, with lava. Yeah. So it's, um, at, at, at, at surface ambient pressure, U, we're basically covered in liquid rock. Are you aware of a thin crust on liquid rock? Are you, we, the origin myth of the Doon tribe? No. There's a tribe in, I believe it's a tribe in, I forget what part of Africa, but they believe that they came from Mars, and that there was a civilization that left Mars, you know, many, many eons ago. And it's, it's a really weird, uh, it's a really weird theory because they know some things about Mars. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they didn't come from Mars. Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure too. But I mean, it's, it's, any spaceships? If they don't have any spaceship, then I'm like, I don't believe it. Well, like, you do have a spaceship. I'll believe it if you parked the spaceship. How many thousands of years? You parked a metal spaceship? Like, if you left a Cybertruck in the desert, yeah, how many thousands of years do you think it would be there for before it's gone? If it got, if it got buried in dirt, we'd find. You'd find it. Even like a million years from now. A million? Yeah. Wow. Really? Well, you, what you'd find is stainless steel. So it would have to be some sort of an alloy. It would, it's kind of like, um, but iron wouldn't, right? Yeah, you, you, but you'd have something similar to like, like fossils, basically. You know, like the fossils, they, they essentially, uh, discolor the rock. So even the whatever the fossil is, and sometimes the fossils like in amber or something like that, that's, that's where it still does survive more or less intact. But I mean, there's fossilized, like dinosaur fossils and tree fossils, that essentially remineralize, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you, you'd see like a Cybertruck shape in the rock, basically. Ah, yeah. But that's it. You wouldn't find the actual Cybertruck. Uh, so if they did have a spaceship and it came here 30,000 years ago, oh, yeah, yeah, we're definitely find evidence of it. Well, not, I mean, if it was one spaceship, maybe not. But if it was a lot of them, sure. That is the origin myth of the Dogon tribe, right? Am I getting that right? Mars specifically? It's a hidden star, star in the Sirius, oh, somewhere else system. Yeah. You cannot be serious. Sirius XM. It's, uh, it's just very strange when people have this, uh, this bizarre origin myth. Like, I wonder who was the first one to tell them they came from stars. And when we eventually do, I mean, how bizarre. Imagine if you're successful, we eventually do colonize Mars, and you're correct, we Earth winds up through human folly or natural disaster getting wiped out, and there's only the colony on Mars, and that colony exists for 10, 20,000 years, and they have their origin myth that we all came from Earth. I mean, ultimately, that's going, if, if this does happen, you do colonize Mars, and Earth does get destroyed, and if there's a period of time that takes place, like look at the period, like at least the conventional timeline of the Great Pyramid, which is 4,500 years ago, 5,000 years. Yeah, so that's not that much time. It's not that much time. No. I mean, if it's nothing in the on the galactic time scale, right? So if we're talking 20, 30,000 years from now on Mars, and people talk about Times Square and what Earth used to be like, I mean, it is, I think, like, there's some debate as like, how do you say what the, when did civilization start? And I'd say, like, probably from the first writing. Um, and, and the first, the first writing is only 5,500 years old. Yeah. It's worth reading about the history of writing. But only 5,500 years. And then, and, um, one has to credit, basically, the ancient Sumerians, who aren't around anymore, with the first writing.

Are you aware though that like, there's hieroglyphs that depict a history of Egypt that goes back far longer, maybe even 30,000 plus years ago? But archaeologists dismiss it because they think that that's mythical. But non-conventional archaeologists who believe in what's called the Younger Dryas impact theory, okay, that, uh, somewhere around 11,800 years ago, civilization was essentially all but wiped out by comet impacts. Um, okay. And that that is the reason why they keep finding these in, in insanely old, huge structures, megalithic structures that are carved out of stone. Like when you go back to like Göbekli Tepe, which is 11,600 years ago, that's that's an insanely old structure that they didn't even know people were capable of building until they discovered it in the 1990s. So the conventional timeline of people when you go to 11,600 years ago was just hunter-gatherers. But now that they have Göbekli Tepe with its 3D carved, uh, things, and have you seen Graham Hancock's amazing series on Netflix called Ancient Apocalypse? I know you should check it out. It's amazing. But it's about that. It's all about that. There's a lot of physical evidence of an advanced civilization from far, far, far longer ago than we have conventionally dated, which is ancient Sumer, which is we put it about 6,000 years ago. Yeah, like the first. It's, it's difficult to date date it with precision, but or at least to within a few hundred years, but it's roughly 5,500 years. Like you say, like, what is the oldest, like stone tablet? Yeah, because this is, you know, it's, if you're like an archaeologist, if you were to discover something older than that, you'd be very famous. You know, it's like, like they really looked hard. Yeah. Um, and 5,500 years, uh, really is kind of the, if you say like, any kind of evidence that that I've that I've seen that is actually substantial is is writing is 5,500 years old. Yeah. In terms of writing. Yeah.

Well, what they believe is that there's very little of this ancient civilization other than things like the pyramids, other than things like the Sphinx. There's a geologist that really stuck his neck out. His name is Dr. Robert Schoch from Boston University. And what he said was his theory is that there's deep water erosion all over the Temple of the Sphinx, where the Sphinx was carved out of. That is indicative of thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time they had rainfall in the Nile Valley was around 9,000 BC. So what he believes is because back then, the whole Nile Valley was a lush rainforest, and eventually receded into desert. Um, okay. Yeah. So the entire, that whole area, like even the Sahara used to be a rich rainforest, and it receded into what it is now. But if you go back then, he believes that's when that thing was constructed. And he says the physical ge, the geologists look at it, and if they, if he shows it to them in terms of like, just shows an image of the erosion, doesn't tell them where it is, they'll almost all of them will say that's water erosion from thousands of years of rainfall. I, I think even if you say like, okay, even if, even if you know, even if you say like, okay, civilization is like 9,000 years old, it's still nothing. Nothing. So, you know, we're still talking about like a very tiny fraction of Earth's existence. Like Earth, um, the geological evidence suggests Earth is about 4 and a half billion years old. So, um, human civilization has been around for roughly 1 millionth of Earth's existence. Yeah. 'Cause just basically nothing. And if even if it's 10,000 years, even if it's 30,000 years ago, it's still nothing.

What they're saying though is that civilization is insanely fragile. That's exactly. And much, much more fragile, I think we realize. Yes, absolutely. I think we should view civilization as being fragile. Yeah. But we don't. Isn't that bizarre? It's one of the weird things about people is that we, unless the threat is in front of us, it's abstract. Unless it's like, really, is the pizza here? Oh, yeah, pizza's here. Civilization? No. Actually, one, like, one of my sons, who's, uh, he has these profound observations, you know, and he asked me, what was LA like 4,000 years ago? I'm like, it wasn't around. And they said, what will it be like in 4,000 years from now? Probably buried under rubble, I guess. Probably very similar to what it was like 4,000 years ago. Yeah, exactly. And radio. And he asked me, did they speak English 4,000 years ago? I'm like, nope. Like, did they, will they speak English in 4,000 years from now? Probably not.

I should point out that I never eat pizza. Really? Never. Why not? Because it's not really good for you. Well, I don't think anyone's going to accuse pizza of being like, the healthiest thing in the world. This looks awesome. That does look awesome. Want to play? Yeah, get in there. Sir, grab a piece. All right, sick. Let's go. This is awesome. And, uh, what's the name of this pizza? Pizza Leon. Pizza Leon. Shout out to Pizza Leon. Oh, yeah. That really hits the spot. That's legit. I mean, I'm no Dave Portnoy. I'm not like a, a pizza analyst. He'll probably. I'm not going to rate it. It's excellent. This Portnoy really gets into pizza. Oh, man. Man, ever seen Portnoy's videos where he analyzes pizza? Oh, my God. Has like a whole method. Got a number system. All right. He's into the crust and the flop and all these different things. Wow. Yeah. Everybody knows the rules. Yeah. What, what is? Everybody knows the rules. One bite. You only get one bite of a pizza. Yeah. No, one bite to taste it. That's the rule. Yeah. He bites into it and then just starts nodding his head. He's basically like a, a sommelier of pizza. Pizza sommelier. Okay. And, and is there, like, what's his favorite pizza joint? Cheese? Oh, the favorite one. That's the, everyone wants to know that. It's those cheese. Yeah. We spent so much time on pizza. And it's New Haven. New Haven, Connecticut. Really? Yeah. For some reason, the Italians that moved to New Haven, Connecticut, really figured pizza out. Like, they have insane pizza in New Haven, Connecticut. Okay. Yeah. Like, really, like legendary. I've had it. There was a comedy club I used to work out there called The Joker's Wild, and I had New Haven pizza. And even back then, it's just really good pizza. Well, okay. I don't know why though. It seems like something that could be replicated. Exactly. It's not like rocket science. Yeah. Yeah. The thing is, the people that are making pizza are not like the people that are making rocket ships. If they were, they would replicate it. Yeah. They would go, what are these guys doing? Let's back engineer it. Sure. Can't be that hard. You know, all these secret sauces and [ __ ]. Well, [ __ ], what's in there? Yeah. Well, I was hungry. It's good though, right? Mhm. The combination of pineapple and anchovy. Surprisingly good, right? Yeah. Is the first pineapple and anchovy pizza they ever made there? I don't see it on their menu. Very. Nobody. I used to order it when I would order for delivery. They'd go, are you sure? I'm like, don't you think I know what I'm doing? I'm ordering it with extra anchovies. Mmm. This is good. This is good. I do know why I don't eat this stuff though, 'cause I cannot stop. That's the problem. This pizza is too delicious. Oh, so good. High calorie, high carbohydrate foods. Once they start going down the hatch, they don't want to stop. Carbs are the devil. Oh, are the devil. Remember they used to be the base of the food chain? Yeah. The whole pyramid. The full pyramid with the bottom of the food pyramid was carbs. The food pyramid. What would the Egyptians say? Said we're out of our [ __ ] mind. What even eating? Yeah. Exactly. Stuff. It's just that's the bizarre thing about it. It's like Fourth of July in your mouth. When, how many human beings eat just processed food? Like the majority of their diet is processed food? Like the entire center of the supermarket is [ __ ]. You really probably shouldn't eat except every now and then. It's good. Jamie, I bet you want one. I don't. You seem offended. No, I did. Two of my not like favorite. I don't like either of those things, honestly. Have you tried it? It's not my. I feel like you should try it. I understand. I feel like I should. This show's all about trying it. We shot an arrow at a car. I'm just not going to like it, and I don't want to offend Pizza Leon. I like that place. I would be offended. It's hard to mess with pizza, frankly. Unlike the creeps who used to run Twitter, I don't care if someone has a different opinion than me. I just don't like fish, to be that honest with you. Like, I've tried it many times and I still haven't liked it yet. I'll be the day that's going to be. I'm going to be won over. You like any fish? Not really. You fish? I can do crab meat. Yeah. But I don't like the whole. Do you like sushi? No. I'm about. I'm going to Phillips. I'm going to try some of Phillips on Thursday though. You're going to try it, but you don't like fish. I'm like, DC, I'm afraid of that whole thing. Mmm. I've talked to Philip about it in detail. Okay. I don't eat fish that often. I like it. Yeah. It's particularly good when you catch it yourself. Eat it fresh. Fresh fish, really is way better. Way better. Way better. Yeah. Fish goes bad quick. Unlike meat. Yeah. Like meat, you can like let it sit on for a while, kind of marinate before you cook. You don't marinate fish. I think. Well, they do. They actually dry age fish. Okay. Yeah. A lot of places dry age fish. Dry age fish? Yeah. I didn't know that. I didn't, I wasn't aware of that. But that's actually a common practice to dry age fish for certain sushi dishes. Like really gourmet places. Have you ever been to Sushi by Scratch? Is that in town? Yeah, it's just outside of town. He used to run Sushi Bar and then he sold it. It's my friend Philip Franklin Lee, a Michelin star chef. He, uh, used to run Sushi Bar in town, he sold that, and then he opened up Sushi by Scratch. But because of the, uh, contractual obligations, he has to be like outside of the Austin proper. So he's about 30 miles away. It's [ __ ] fantastic if you like sushi. It's like the best sushi you'll ever eat. Okay. I mean, it's really insane. I say that with, you eat it and you're like, Jesus Christ, the best sushi of all time. Sushi by Scratch. Mhm. They have ones in Miami where they have it now. Chicago. They got a bunch of them. He's not allowed to do it in Austin? No, it's not in Austin proper. I think once his contract is up, you know, he had to non-compete Austin for like three years or something. I don't know how long it was, but maybe eventually he'll open up one in Austin. But it's about 30 minutes outside. What, what city is it again? Cedar Park. Yeah, Cedar Park. It's out at the Los Pines area. Yeah, it's 30 minutes. No big deal. Sushi by Scratch. Got it. Yeah. It's a [ __ ]. Let me know if you want to go. Hook it up. Yeah, sure. Yeah. It's awesome. It's really worth it. Like, if you like sushi, it's a mind blower. It's a mind blower. And it's on omakase. So like, you sit down, they bring you food. That's it. It looks good. It's pretty [ __ ] cool. You've been to Uchi? Yes. The most. Best is great. Yes. That place is outstanding. Yeah. Yeah. I love good sushi. And it's one of the things is amazing is how many good restaurants there are in Austin. I mean, for a city that's relatively small, I mean, the restaurants per capita is excellent. Amazing. Yeah. And they're so good. There's like so many like artists and restaurants. We just found a new one that Brian Simpson told us about. It's called Bacalar. Okay. It's, uh, this Mexican restaurant that's in town. Fantastic. Really good. Yeah. They just opened up. I think they only been open for like six weeks. So shout out to them. Just ate there the other night. Okay. It's just there's so many good places here. Yeah. Like you can't have a bad restaurant in this town. You will go under quickly. The competition is strong. There's so much competition. It's like, and there's so much variety. Yeah. All kinds. Lot of good restaurants in the town. Yeah. It's amazing. You know, I remember, uh, we were hanging out at your place like way back in the day when I first moved here, and you, you said something very prophetic when all this was happening, like, Austin's about to go supernova. Yeah. Kind of did. Yeah. It's boom town. Yeah. It really is. Yeah. Legitimately. Yep. And with, uh, the Gigafactory, I mean, how many jobs have you brought into Austin from that factory alone? Well, we're about, uh, 10,000 direct, um, and then I think 50,000 indirect. So it's a lot. That's pretty [ __ ] awesome. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's only 2 million people in the greater Austin area. I know. That's crazy. Um, in fact, the kind of limiting factor for growth is just finding enough people, really. Yeah.

This is terrible for sound. Just have to like the subtitle chewing sounds. This is my last piece. Subtitled drink sound. People are going to have to deal with it. This is my last piece. Are you taking it away? Want me to? You son of a [ __ ]! I should. You son of a [ __ ]! I, I certainly am eating my. Yeah. Take it away. I'll keep going. I'll eat the whole [ __ ]. That's the problem. Being carbs. Yeah. Carbs are awesome. Mhm. Yeah. I know. It's like, uh, I feel good though. I mean, this, the dopamine explosion from carbs. I'm happy I did it. Yeah. I mean, once in a while, it's fine. Once in a while. For me, it's once in a great while. But. Well, there's like, like Tim Ferris has like that, you know, you have one, whatever, one meal a week or something. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. One meal a week. I'll go with sweets. I'll have an ice cream sundae or some [ __ ]. Ice cream sundaes are great. Oh, they're [ __ ] amazing. Fucking amazing. Yeah. I don't. Most people know what an ice cream sundae tastes like unless they smoke marijuana. And then you're like, oh, this is a different thing. Uh, it's an amazing invention. Whoever figured out the hot fudge and then the whipped cream on top of it. What a combo. Incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Those two. Maybe. Oh, yeah. Maybe. Great idea. I don't know if that's Dairy Queen for sure. Dairy Queen. Well, I mean, that's what's open right now. What's legit? It's 11:30. I know. Think what's that? There's like that pizza restaurant that that pizza chain that's they got the best ice cream sundae that I've ever seen. It's giant. One out here. Um, God, I try to remember the name of it. It's, it is a, it is a chain, but it's not like a big chain. People that are upset right now because they're listening like on the treadmill and they're hearing us chewing like these [ __ ] are going to get ice. We're seeing pizza and ice cream sundae while people try to lose weight. Yeah. Sweating out. Oh, B. B. Oh, yeah. They, they, if you, they've got a gigantic ice cream sundae. Everything they have is gigantic. It's amazing. I worked there for a long time. It's actually really good. It's amazing. Oh, bro. They have that rigatoni. That rigatoni with the meat sauce. And oh my God. Dos is great. It's fantastic. Yeah. And if it's very reasonably priced for the amount of food you get. Yeah. This one crazy amount of food. Yeah. It's really good. Yeah. Um, I like the little photographs on the wall. There's one of those down the street from our old studio, you know, Woodland Hills. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. It's legit. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, I used to good, uh, take my kids. The one at the Grove in LA. What if anything is out near SpaceX? Like, what do you guys have out there in LA or out here? Uh, we've got the Starlink, um, terminal factory. So we, um, for the Starlink V4 terminals, we build them here. We built the, what's it called? Well, the.

The V version 3 Terminals and the version 3 Min. There's like, or there's like, we do part of, part of the production. Or actually, I should say, we've done all of the production of the terminals thus far in LA. Um, and, um, we'll continue to do production in LA. But we're also just completed a second factory, um, in Bastrop, just about 20 minutes from here. And then SpaceX is where you make the launches. What, what part of Texas is that? Uh, well, the Starship stuff is in South Texas, uh, near the border, just, uh, right on the Rio Grande.

And how did you pick that location? Uh, I was just literally looking, um, at satellite images, um, and, and, and, uh, for, for going to orbit, you kind of need to, you want to launch Eastward so that you can take advantage of Earth's rotation to get to orbit. So it's a little counterintuitive that, um, reaching, or orbital velocity, getting to orbit is about your speed parallel to the Earth's surface. It's like, how fast are you zooming around Earth? Uh, it's not a, like, um, the gravity at the, at the altitude of the space station is almost the same as it is on the ground. The reason the space station is actually up there is, kind of the wrong terminology. It's, it's actually moving around the Earth at 17,700 miles an hour. So the space station, um, goes around the Earth at roughly every 90 minutes. Um, so, so, and because Earth is, is, is turning, um, and the, um, the speed at which it is turning, um, or, or the way you experience velocity is, is, it's moving at like roughly 1,000 miles an hour at the equator. So the closer you are to the equator, the more you can take advantage of Earth's rotation to reach orbital velocity. So you want to, and so, and, and since it's rotating Eastward, you want to be on the east coast to get, um, to make it easier to get to orbital velocity. So, so you need a section of coast that's on the east, fairly southward, that is not occupied. Um, so like most of, really almost really all of Florida, except for Cape Canaveral, um, is, you know, wall to wall houses on the beach. Like there's almost no section of Florida that, that, every section of Florida has houses, except for Cape Canaveral, um, which is a government base. So one of the few spots that, that wasn't occupied was the area just, uh, adjacent to the border with Mexico. Um, and, uh, it, it just wasn't super well-suited to, um, holiday homes. Um, and, um, there was at one point a development that was going to take place, but then a hurricane came and destroyed the, the entire place. And, and in fact, rearranged the land, so some of the plots were underwater. So it's, it's kind of a, it's a, it's a tough spot to, um, build a home. And that's why it was unoccupied. So we needed a piece of, and it needed to be US territory, because if you go outside the US, um, there are export restrictions because rocket technology is an advanced weapons technology. So we can't just like, you know, arbitrarily go to another country. Um, so it needed to be US land, east coast, um, and, and fairly southward.

That's fascinating that rock, one of the few spots that exist like that. Rockets fall into the category of weapons technology. Yeah, intercontinental ballistic missiles. H, I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, we could drop a rocket anywhere, nobody can stop us. Wow, that is crazy about the space station too. Yeah, that's going 177,000 miles an hour. Yes. I mean, you've seen the videos of the rocket landing, right? Yes. It's amazing. Very precise. It's pretty [ __ ] amazing. We can land basically anywhere. No, or not land. Yeah, just, I mean, doesn't have to turn on its thrusters to slow down.

What is it like to try to juggle these different things in your mind on a daily basis? Like, what is it like to try to juggle X, Tesla, SpaceX, all these different things at the same time? It's a lot for a human brain to handle. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, my, it strains my meat computer. I mean, do you need something like that, though? Does your meat computer need more problem-solving than the average one? I mean, is this something like, if you only had one thing to work on, do you think you would get bored, or you would get distracted, or you would not be satisfied? Like, do you need these things to be so complex and have so many of them simultaneously juggling? Because you didn't pick three easy ones. You picked three of the [ __ ] hardest things you could ever get into. You already detailed how difficult manufacturing is. Rockets, duh, it's, it's one of the craziest things. Not only that, rocket science, completely innovative rockets that land, like they, that never happened before. So you're doing that, right? And then you said, you know what, we got to save humanity. Let me go spend $44 billion on Twitter. Man, that was expensive. What's it worth? What do you think it was actually worth? Everything. Yeah. Not for the market, right? I mean, like, for, for humans, yes. I agree with you. I mean, I, I really genuinely do think this, and I've said this many times publicly. I think you did humanity an immense service. And that if that didn't happen, the narrative of this country would have gone further and further down that road to the point where people would have been scared to speak their mind. And they would have, scary, and it changes the way people communicate at their jobs, which changes the way, it, it just changes the way people, when they, they leave universities and they go to get jobs, the, the way they're allowed to communicate. And people don't like to be on the outside. They don't like to be ostracized. They don't like to be kicked out of communities. So people would adhere. Yeah, they would change. Absolutely. Um, people, I guess, are afraid of like being, yeah, ostracized. Ostracized is like fear of, of being ostracized. I think is the probably the big, biggest issue. Um, and then just being totally shut down. Yeah. You know, um, where you have no outlet, um, and you can just basically disappear except for in posts and meetings. Um, so, um, yeah, it was important to, uh, like steer, have at least one social media outlet that, um, wasn't canceling people.

What I really enjoy is, uh, reading the tweets. I guess you still have to call them tweets, read posts, or whatever. I, I don't have a good word for it. But yeah, you can't say the X's. But reading the, "All My Exes Live in Texas," reading the words, or should say, I enjoy reading the words of people who proclaimed that they were leaving and going over to Threads. Yeah, yeah. That's what an interesting thing about momentum. Very difficult to start a whole new social media platform. Even one that initially got, like, what, what did Threads get, like, some crazy number of initial people signing up for it, but it just dropped off within like a couple of weeks. Now it's a [ __ ] ghost town. Yeah, it's like wildly, eily quiet. It's wild. I mean, Zuck himself doesn't post. So that's what's crazy. Got, you got to use your own product. It's interesting though, cuz they're sneaking them in now in Instagram. They sneak, sneak a little Thread in there because every now and then I'll see something, think, oh, that's interesting, and I click on it. Oh, you [ __ ] and it opens up Threads for me. Like, you got me. Because they're, you know, they're integrated. But I don't use Instagram. It's fascinating that I'm sure you don't. Why would you? If I bought X or Twitter, whatever, I wouldn't use anything else either. Yeah, but I didn't use Instagram for, for a while. Um, I mean, I, I mean, there was a time where I was posting on Instagram, but, um, I found myself doing selfies and I'm like, what the hell is wrong with me? Why am I posing with selfies to get likes? This is crazy, bizarre. Um, and I'm like, so then I was like, you know, if, if you, if you post with selfies on, on, on Twitter, that people would jump all over you, you know? Yeah, they're like, that's, that's true. They were like, what's wrong with you? That's so true. Yeah, people are like way more lenient on Instagram for some strange reason. Yeah, it's, it's like pretty pictures, basically. Yeah, so pretty pictures and a lot of [ __ ]. A lot of it's, there's a lot of weirdness that comes with Instagram, like filters. Like, uh, I've caught grown men using filters on their pictures. It's very strange. You know, I, I am concerned that like, like say Instagram actually leads to, uh, more unhappiness, not, not less, in the sense that like, it just looks like everyone's like, like having a great time and is way better looking than they really are. Yeah. And so you're like, man, everyone's like good-looking and having a great time. And, um, then you sort of compare yourself to that and like, it's like, damn, I'm not as good-looking and I'm not, I, I seem to be sad a lot. And you're like, man, uh, you know, I think I think it could make you kind of depressed, right? Yeah.

Well, and also, you're a grown man and you experience this. You're also very intelligent. You experience this. Imagine being a young kid. Jonathan Haidt documented that in "The Coddling of the American Mind." There's a direct correlation between the invention of social media and its ubiquitous use and self-harm amongst kids, particularly girls. It's really bad for girls. And they, like, around 2007, there's this big uptick on suicide, self-harm, depression. Yeah, um, people can't just like make themselves be better looking with, with the, there's like a limit. So, right? Yeah. And then surgery. Yeah, it was a big uptick in people getting their jaws reshaped and [ __ ]. I mean, yeah, that's bad. So I don't know. I think, um, you know, I think I, I think like they have to say like, is, is Instagram a net happiness generator or, or not? I'm, I'm not sure it is.

Speaking of distorted images, have you seen the court artist's drawing of Sam Bankman-Fried? I mean, it's, I almost like they lost money or something. What the [ __ ] happened? It looks like it melted. Have you seen it? I just saw. He looks like a supermodel. Oh, what? SBF does? Yes. The guy who drew him, whoever, one of them. I saw. Maybe there's more than one artist. Maybe there's more than one artist, cuz some of those ones I saw were unflattering. He looked like an anime superhero. You're joking. No, no. Like perfect, chiseled jawline, ridiculous. He looked like he lost 30 lbs. Start working out. Look at this. Look at that. Are you kidding? What the [ __ ] man? Look at that guy on the left. That guy looks like Superman, doesn't he? Look how hot that guy is. I almost feel like it's not, or something. It might be. I feel like someone's [ __ ] with us. There's a few other pictures when I Googled, like, you know, there's some rough pictures though. It seems like someone's [ __ ] with us, cuz that guy's handsome as [ __ ]. Cuz there's this one that's not the same. No, that one's terrible. That's not real. That's Satan's drawing. But that one right there, if that is real, it's like, come on. That's, that's not real. This, this [ __ ], that's [ __ ]. Because look at the, what they did with the girl. Oh, wow. Look at that picture there. Even that picture is, like, looks like she's melting. Yeah. I don't know. I don't, I have to, I mean, but she's probably massively depressed. I mean, I bet like that's also like an artist's interpretation of the energy she's giving off in court. I mean, she has to rat on her boyfriend, and she's already pleaded guilty. And, you know, for a lesser sentence, she's going to rat him out. Well, I mean, I don't know who SBF's PR team is, but they, uh, they're doing an incredible job. For real. Well, I mean, I mean, the dude ripped tons of people off and stole their money. And yet he, he's getting basically, you know, backrub from the press. Well, don't you think that's because the amount of money that he donated? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the deal is. It might have something to do with that. I'm not that cynical. I, I generally don't think people are influenced by money. Well, I don't know what he's doing, but something's going on. Um, the number of articles that I've seen where it's like, you know, where it's basically, you know, a misunderstood, yeah, uh, philanthropist. It's ridiculous.

Well, your [ __ ] meter went off when he was offering money to buy in with you with Twitter? Correct. Well, a large amount, yeah. Um, and I mean, a lot of people, you know, um, fell for his [ __ ]. Um, but I mean, first of all, I hadn't really heard of the guy. I'm like, who, who is this guy? And, um, what did he do? And he's in the Bahamas. H, that's, that's pretty sus to begin with. He's very sus. Um, like, who's, who's like, if you're on a tropical island, like your finance organizations in tropical islands are generally have a bad track record. Um, and he's involved in crypto. And crypto is, there's a lot of the scam probability in crypto is high. It's high. So, yeah, I'm not saying it's all scams, but no, I would leave that distinction for, um, for what are those [ __ ] NFTs? I think that's like 80% scam, except for people's legit. I mean, it gives you like digital art. Yeah, people's stuff is great. Um, but I mean, NFTs, the funny thing is that the NFT is not even on the blockchain. It's just a URL to the, to the, the JPEG. So it's not even like, it's like you should at least encode the JPEG in the blockchain. Cuz like, if the URL, if the company housing the image goes out of business, you don't have the image anymore. I never understood it. I tried so hard. I tried so hard. I know I have a friend who made millions selling an an artist. I'm like, okay, save that money because eventually people are going to figure this out. Like, I mean, this with with art, there is a fair bit of money laundering and tax avoidance that that is, uh, so some of these things that seem inexplicable, like H. Biden, you talk about H. Biden's paintings. Did he actually sell paintings for large sums of money? Immense sums of money? Okay. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars. Probably that, that, that, that seems unlikely to be a legit transaction. Unlikely, right? Unlikely, yeah. Very. The work's not bad though. I got to say, like for that kind of [ __ ] art, it's not that bad. Yeah. Um, I mean, the thing is that it's, it's hard to price art, right? Yeah, because in the eye of the beholder. So how can you say whether something like this is his stuff? How much did that go for? $225k? A steal. It's not bad. It's not that bad. That's not that bad. Like, I mean, I would buy that. I wouldn't buy it for 225, but I'd buy it for five. Yeah, it's not bad. Like, look, a lot of crackheads are good artists. Like, you know, you get crazy on drugs and splatter some [ __ ] around and you got a unique vision. That's not bad. Bad. It's not bad. That's not that. That is not bad at all. How much did that one go for? I, so he's a, he's probably a legit. Meanwhile, we're going to find out he had a ghost artist. I mean, I suspect he, I mean, artist, think, uh, he, he's, he's not untalented. Um, right? So, I mean, I actually don't have any issues his lifestyle or anything. There's his stuff. That stuff's not bad. Like, whatever that dog wolf thing is on the wall, that's pretty dope. Yeah, I like that. What does it say underneath it? Can you read it? I can't read it. Either way, not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad.

Have you ever heard the theory that the entire modern art movement, like Jackson Pollock and the like, was a CIA scope? Um, I mean, I have heard that, but I, I have not heard any evidence for it. I read the article a couple years ago. Okay. At least, uh, modern art is a scope. Yeah. Every day I wake up. Was that long? S. But it was fascinating. Yeah. Every day. Yeah. There's always something. Cat with a tin foil hat. When was this? Beginning of 2020. Really? A CIA scope? But I mean, if you can get someone to spend that kind of money on that kind of [ __ ], like the Jackson Pollock stuff. So here it is. PR, um, preeminent culture war, Cold War. What is it? Okay. Uh, the relationship between Modern Art and American diplomacy began during World War II. Museum Moma, battle for hearts and minds. It's an interesting article. So I, I read the article a couple years ago. I can't remember what their argument was, but it's one of those things. Starts there. Like they spent money to buy paintings directly from artists in the '40s. The [ __ ] okay. Even though Modern Art and American diplomacy were, uh, of a piece. Soviet propaganda asserted that the United States was a, was culturally, a culturally barren capitalist wasteland. To make the case for American cultural dynamism, dynamism, the State Department in 1946 spent $49,000 to purchase 79 paintings directly from American modern artists and mounted them in a traveling exhibition called "Advancing American Art." That exhibition, which made, made stops in Europe and Latin America, included work from artists like Georgia O'Keeffe. And Jake, Georgia O'Keeffe is the lady who makes vaginas, right? Isn't that her work? I don't know. I think, I think some of what she does, yeah. I think she makes like vagina-like flowers and stuff. I mean, I think some of it was pretty good. But, um, well, the Jackson Pollock one was like, how did, come on, happen? That, that one is just wild, cuz I, I really think I could do that. Some [ __ ] have like Jackson Pollock. The CIA teamed up to win the Cold War. Yeah. Okay. This, I think that's the article I read, because that's 2017. I don't remember. But well, I, I think, you know, art is very much in the eye of the beholder. It's like, what, what does it make you, how does it make you think and feel? And if it makes you think and feel in a way that you like it, then it's good. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. But it's also, um, a way to launder money. Yes. Um, a number of these like very high price art things are, um, tax evasion and money laundering.

Have you ever, uh, seen the documentary on "The Lost Leonardo"? No. That's crazy. That's crazy. MBS purchased this, okay? And he purchased it for some insane amount of money. It turns out it probably isn't Leonardo da Vinci. Not only that, but the vast majority of the painting was made by a modern-age woman who recreated everything. Okay? Like, so she, in restoring, air quotes, restoring, she, she essentially repainted the image in the style of Da Vinci. Okay? And it's, it's very sketchy because if you look at the original painting, it was all [ __ ] up and missing paint and there was many layers, someone had painted over it. It's, it's really an incredible documentary because it just shows how much [ __ ] is involved in these high dollar transactions. And I think it went, I think it was the most expensive painting that was ever sold. I think it went for something in the neighborhood of $400 million, $450 million. Yeah. "The Lost Leonardo: A New Film Solved the Mystery of the World's Most Expensive Painting." Is the $450 million "Salvator Mundi" a fake? This film, featuring tearful copans, sneering experts, dodgy dealers, and a secretive super yacht, may finally settle the great Da Vinci controversy. Apparently, there's multiple layers and different styles of painting involved in it. And when they do some sort of a comprehensive examination, whether it's like, you know, I don't know what kind of imagery they're using, but they're doing something when they can say like, this has been painted many times and [ __ ] with it. Might, it might have originally been one of Leonardo's students. Might not have been Leonardo. Like, there's not, okay, a real to that that time. Yeah, okay. But whether it was, Sotheby's sold it? I think so. Yeah. So, so they were kind of aware that there was some shenanigans with this piece. But they also were aware that this was, this was going to [ __ ], this was three lemons, this was, uh, they were going to hit the jackpot with this bad boy. And so they went through with it. And, yeah, Chris, Chris, that's it. The other one, Christie's, uh, was aware of it. It's a fascinating document. I don't know what's right. I don't know what's wrong. It might be real. But at the very least, it's been retouched. Mostly by this woman. Isn't it like 90% of the painting? It's some, there's some very high percentage of the painting that was actually made by this woman. And they, they show her. She worked on it forever, for years and years, worked like painstakingly to retouch this piece of art. Which is very odd. Yeah, that they do that. Cuz like, wouldn't you just want it all [ __ ] up and old? Sure. I mean, that's the real piece of art. Yeah, the real piece of art is not like some woman in 2001, yeah, painting over it. That's just crazy. Yeah. Um, I mean, I, I, you know, I, I enjoy art for the aesthetics, but, but not for the name value. Yeah, I feel the same way. Yeah, I enjoy art just because I just, what it makes you, how it makes you feel, you know? It's, it's, you know, it's a cool thing. I mean, I mean, obviously my studio is filled with it. Like, you go outside, I love art. It's everywhere out there. I'm just, I love it.

Have you see, oh, the, the woman, have you seen the one, the piece that she made of you? This, uh, Melania Blackman. Have you seen that drawing that she did? Is that the weird one? She, it's everything. It's, it's, she, it's enormous. Okay. She draws it and you're essentially made up of all these different characters and different things. So here you can find her work of his. She did one of me and she did one of Anthony Bain that I bought that's out there as well. She's super talented, this woman. So this is her. She's really hot too, okay? So you can find her standing next to it. There it is. Instagram or something. Instagram banned. Oh, that was right. There was something that happened where Instagram did something. What happened? So Instagram is not only banned me from promoting this artwork, but also shadowbanned me altogether after I posted my latest piece. This is after, probably you said that you wanted to fight Zucker. Well, actually, I was just, Zuck, fight Zuck, fight is funny. Um, because, you know, he was posting all these fight videos and then someone on Twitter at the time said, um, hey, you should fight Zuck. And I said, well, I'm willing to fight if he, if he is. Um, and, um, and then Zuck posted, uh, I think on Instagram or something, uh, name the place or something, something like that. Effect. And I was like, okay, how about the Vegas Octagon? Um, and then, um, and then, uh, Italy actually was willing to let us use the Coliseum. So I was like, well, can't turn that down, you know? Um, and then, um, but then, and then I was like, well, if it's going to be in the Coliseum, you know, we, like, I like UFC and everything, but we don't have like tons of ads and and UFC branding on the Coliseum because it's a historical, you know, place. It's a history, you know, it's a place of great history. You don't want to just, you know, have it be like NASCAR. So, so then, and then Zuck, Zuck pulled out, you know, use the pulled out method. So he pulled out. He pulled out of it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, what was the narrative? What did you hear? Jamie, I don't remember. Well, I'm will, so he was like, oh, no, it's got to be UFC rules. I'm like, well, okay, we got to have us rules in the Coliseum. It's fine, but we just don't want to have, we got to respect the historical integrity of the place. You just, the Coliseum just seems like the coolest place to do it. That's why I mean, like Gladiator, you know, come on. And if they said it's okay. Yeah. So he just wants it to be in the actual UFC, like in Vegas. So, so then he said, oh, well, you know, uh, like he accused me of not like not being being serious. And I said, look, listen, at the end of the day, if I'll fight you any place, anywhere, under any rules. Oh, Zuck. That's what I said. So, so I'm, you know, name the, he said, name the place. I'm like, I'm, if I'm happy to fight him in a house on a mouse with a louse. We like, go full Dr. Seuss here. Now, how much time? I'm way bigger than him. This is unfair. I don't think he should fight me. Because, because you're so much bigger than him. Yeah, I'm like 50% him. Yeah, I'll just use a war. I've got my War Rus move. I just lie on him. War move. Well, you know, like War Rus doesn't need martial arts training, right? Cuz it's really big. You don't want to go wrestling a War Rus, right? Cuz he's going to roll on you.

Have you ever been, ever rolled with someone who's much smaller than you that does Jiu-Jitsu? Yes. Lex. Yeah, yeah. No, I, I did 10 years of martial arts. How much have you trained personally? I, for a decade of it. Well, you did a lot of karate, right? Uh, I did Judo, Judo Kai, Ken Kai, karate, yeah. Uh, I did some Jiu-Jitsu, Taekwondo, street fighting, which I was involuntary. Um, I, I'm, you know, I think I'd be decent. I, I did martial competitions when I was a teenager. Really? Interesting. So look at you. George St. Pierre, Elon, John Danaher, the Great Master, and Lex Friedman. But like, like Lex is a, I think he's got like 20% heavier than Zuck. And I'm way bigger than Lex. Yeah, that's why they have weight categories. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you get a chance to talk to Danaher at all? The guy on the left. That guy's [ __ ]. Do you know his history? No, he's from New Zealand or something. He was a professor of philosophy at Columbia. Okay. And fell in love with Jiu-Jitsu. Okay. I mean, fell in love with it to the point where he was sleeping on the mats and teaching all day long. He's an obsessive. He is a real Kaizen disciple. And, oh man, he is one of the most unique characters I've ever met in my life. One of the most brilliant men I've ever met. And he's completely dedicated to Jiu-Jitsu. And he has raised through this, particularly this one disciple, Gordon Ryan, who also lives here in Austin. He's the greatest Jiu-Jitsu competitor of all time. There's no question. And he's only 28. Okay. He might even be 27, or maybe he's 28 now. But I mean, he is universally regarded as the greatest of all time. And he is John's greatest student. Okay? And the two of them together, because Gordon has insane work ethic, they work 365 days a year. They do not take any days off. They train every day. That's Gordon to the right of John with the, the crazy beard. He doesn't really have that hair, he bleaches it. But the two of them together are literally an unstoppable combination. I like Al, look ripped. He's pretty ripped. Yeah, he's a combination of gigantic, brilliant, and insanely dedicated with the most incredible instructor that's ever existed. I mean, John Danaher is universally regarded as the greatest Jiu-Jitsu instructor alive. And his student is universally regarded as the greatest Jiu-Jitsu competitor alive. Yeah. And it is because John is like a complete, uh, like a guy out of a superhero book. Like, you wouldn't, you, you're not going to find another one of those. A guy with a genius-level IQ who's one of, I mean, you talk to him, he's fascinating. And he is obsessed with combat sports, warfare, like, th, like strategy. Yeah, brilliant guy. Yeah, brilliant guy. See, I was impressed when I met him. Um, I mean, the things that, like, uh, if I was fighting someone who I was not where I was not much bigger than them, then I would be more concerned. How much time would you need to prepare? I don't need any time. No time at all. No. How's your cardio? It's not, it's not, it will not be a factor. Really? Yeah. Very. I, I mean, what's the likelihood of this actually happening? I, like, I'm willing to do it anytime, anywhere, any place, any rules. Well, I think this stating it this way might accelerate this process, especially on this platform. I mean, I, I challenge him to a duel. Under any circumstances. A sword fight? Sure. Jesus. That's not. Pistols at dawn? That's not necessary. I think physical. Nerf guns at noon. Yeah, Nerf guns at noon. Well, you could, you could slash it out in the metaverse. But, uh, yeah, in the real world. I, listen, I, it, there's, there's just a reason they have weight categories, you know? Um, so, uh, you know, there's a, a friend of mine who is pretty good at fighting, but she weighs, she weighs about half of what I do. And, um, and I said, let me, let me show you why there's weight categories. On, been fighting, and I'm, I'm going to do a move called the War, and, and you have to just, I'm just going to lie on you. I'm not going to put you in a lock or anything. I'm just going to lie on you, but I'm going to, you know, position myself such that it's hard to get off out from under me. And I just going to lie crossways on you, and, and you, you try to get, get away, and you won't be able to get away. You couldn't just, you know, like, like if a horse falls on you, right? You can get trapped under a horse, but you're not a horse. What do you weigh? About 2:30? Yeah, 2:40? Yeah, yeah. So, no, no, I'm not a horse, but I'm saying in the limit, if something's heavy enough, like, you know, if a horse falls on you and dies, you can get trapped under a horse and not be able to get yourself out, right? But if someone's good enough, I mean, I'm sure you've seen like absolute weight classes in Jiu-Jitsu where you'll get a 145lb competitor who strangles a 220lb competitor, and they're both well-trained. Because if someone is that good, that's unlikely. It's not unlikely, it happens quite often when you get elite competitors. When you get elite competitors, like elite black belts at the 145, 155lb weight limit, you'd be shocked. There's a ton of videos of these guys who will strangle much larger black belts. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just highly unlikely. Um, and if, if, if this were not the case, there would not be strict weight categories in martial arts. That is true. That is true. But the reason why they allow absolutes in Jiu-Jitsu is, uh, because the, it is the thrill of watching these smaller people go against much larger people, and sometimes they win. No, I, I just, just like, um, armies, you know, the people take note when a small army defeats a big army because it is so unusual. Yes, not because it's normal, right? Um, you know, if there's like, it's like it was two against 10,000, and boy would beat those two guys up. More likely what happens, like, if, if you're severely outnumbered, uh, you will lose, uh, almost certainly. So look at the size difference between these two guys. Play it out. Well, it's the end of the video. This is, uh, Mikey Musami, who is another fascinating individual. This guy is another super genius who trains every day, 12 hours a day. And, uh, he is competing against a black belt in the heavyweight division. Mikey Musami might weigh 145 pounds, and he beats this guy. Guy doesn't look to be in super great shape. Well, he's enormous. Yeah, I mean, he's enormous, and he's a black belt, so he's skilled. I forget how Mikey wins this. He catches. I couldn't tell what exactly happened. Get it a little bit further here. I think what happened here, it seemed like he got penalties or something. Oh, they pushed him out of bounds. I don't know what that won on the. I think they're out of bounds there. Yeah, that's all that it was. That's just out of bounds. So scoot ahead, see what happens. What he catches him with. What happened? I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just very unlikely. By points. Yeah, I, so won by points. I think you're making the point for me here. Yeah, well, in that case, that guy's strangled a lot of much larger people than him. Um, but again, he's extraordinary. He's a world champion. He's a world champion for ONE, which is this huge, uh, organization, Singapore. They do these events where they have all kinds of different martial arts. They have MMA, Thai boxing. Yeah, yeah. So you would do it under any rules? Sure. All right, let's go. I like it. I like the fact that you're interested in doing this. It's fun. Um, it makes it fun. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I could, you know, this, this could be an exercise in hubris. Find out. We could find out. I like the fact that Zuck's interested in it too. I like the fact that he, uh, he trained so much. Yeah, I mean, there's there aren't very many ways to actually, if, if you stick with the rules that you just to, um, like for example, if you want to put somebody in an arm lock, you have to be able to extend their arm. Mmm-hmm. And if you, if, if somebody is strong enough that they, that you cannot extend their arm, then you're limited to chokes. Chokes. And, and you can, you can do, uh, an arm lock across the groin with, with both arms and legs, like, uh, Royce Gracie did upside down, and I think it was like the third UFC fight or something like that. Yeah, he was pretty severely damaged. That was in Femo? Yeah, that Norwegian guy. Yeah. And he did upside down, uh, arm lock across the groin because he could not do an arm lock. Um, you know, a sort of sidebar armlock. So, um, but after that, people were like, wise to that move. So they're like, we're not going to be allow themselves to get an armlock across the groin without, you know, that that was like a, you know, overconfidence, I think. Well, it was exhaustion. I mean, they fought like tooth and nail for something like seven or eight minutes, and, you know, Royce survived and then eventually wore the guy. Well, when you're a big steroided-up guy like that too, the oxygen depletion, like the amount of oxygen your muscles require, you gas out pretty quickly when you're that big, unless you're insanely conditioned. Yeah, but like, there's no way for him to do, um, you know, armlock like an a single, a single arm armlock. He couldn't do it because single arm armlock, like if, if you try to do a lock on the side, so like a side control, so from some, like legs across your face, is that what you mean? No, if, if you try to do, do, do an armbar on the side, you know, one, one arm across the, the knee, you know, across the thigh, like you have to be able to extend the arm. Your, your, uh, essentially your, um, you know, triceps have to be able to exceed the strength of their bicep. Is where it comes down to. But if you cannot exceed the strength of that bicep, then you will not be able to do an, an arm extension. I'm not sure what I'm. Are you talking about like a Kimura? Like a straight armbar? Yeah. Oh, so you're talking about like with just the arms, where you just have one arm, like, like you, if it's, if it's one arm versus one arm, but that's never the case. It's almost always the whole body's engaged. That, that's, I think that's it. Well, in Judo, that's a very common hold. Very common. Line, a one arm armbar. Yeah, one arm. Yeah. Um, you know, you have your one arm around the, the neck, mmm-hmm. And, and you take their arm and you extend it across. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. So like from a scarf hold. So a scarf hold, you would take the arm and put it over and you push, push it down with one arm. Yeah, that's unusual though. Yeah, that's an unusual armbar. But if one person is much stronger than another, then they, that one, that, that's the move. Yeah, but it's a very fast move because you can take someone right from a throat drop them on the floor right into an armbar. Yeah, okay. That's a very specific armbar. 10 seconds, right? That's a rare armbar. You never see that in MMA. What you do see though, is the two legs isolate the arm, and then the person grabs a hold of it with a thumb up and uses all their body weight. Yeah, yeah. That's what, that's what Gracie did. Yeah, that's what most people do when they apply an armbar. Yeah, whether it's from the back, like, you know, a lot of people have done that, or whether it's from side control, which is a little more easy because you have control of the body. Yeah. I mean, it's also just that, that, um, you know, UFC is not just Jiu-Jitsu. You can punch people, right? That makes a big difference. Big difference. Huge. Yeah. MMA, uh, has changed the ideas of Jiu-Jitsu because there's a lot of techniques that people do where it works well in competition when someone's like grabbing your leg, when you can't just rain down punches on their face. Yeah, there's a lot of unreal. Somebody's pounding in the face is pretty hard to, to be chill, you know, especially if they're, uh, if, if somebody's got gorilla fists in your face. Yeah, it's not going to be a good day. Yeah. Carlson Gracie famously had a phrase that if you take a black belt, you punch him in the face, he becomes a brown belt. Punch, punch, punch him again, he becomes a purple belt, and so on and so forth. If, if, I mean, most people have not been punched in the face. I've been punched in the face. Um, so, you know, it, it comes as a surprise. Yeah, yeah, it probably does come as a surprise. There's also like, even, even the UFC has a lot of limitations. Like you can't do 12 to 6 elbows. You know, so that's, that's changing. They're getting rid to do 12 to 6 elbows. Finally. Finally. I've been singing that from the top of the roof forever. Okay, it's so nuts. It's so stupid. You know where it came from? No, it came from, uh, Big John McCarthy, who was the original UFC referee. Okay. And, uh, pioneer of the sport. He was bringing this to athletic commissions, and they were allowing certain techniques, but one of them they wouldn't allow was the 12 to 6 L, because they saw those late night karate demonstrations where someone like smash bricks like that. They thought someone would die if they hit him with this. Definitely going to sting. Yeah, but it's not even harder than this one. This one's harder because this one you can throw your body weight into it, and it's a more natural movement. This is an unusual movement. I mean, I'm sure you could train it and get it probably as hard, but I think for most people, for me, I can tell you for sure, this elbow has more power. Well, I think any elbow in the face is going to be a big wake-up call. If you've never had an elbow in it, [ __ ] sucks. Yes, it [ __ ] sucks.

Did you watch the Tyson Fury, Francis Ngannou boxing match? Is that the one where he bit the ear off? No, this is the, that's, that's Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield. That's from the '90s. Yeah, no, this fight that took place this last weekend. Francis Ngannou, who was the UFC heavyweight champion, he vacated the belt so he could take this fight with Tyson Fury. This was his dream fight. Tyson Fury, who's the lineal heavyweight champion. Francis Ngannou had never had a boxing match ever in his life. Had zero boxing matches, but he was the UFC heavyweight champion. Okay. Knocked down Tyson Fury in the third round. Beat him up in the eighth round. Most people, including me, thought he should have won the decision. Including most boxers, most boxing pundits. And he lost by one point on one judge's scorecard. He won on one judge's scorecard. Another judge who should go to jail had it 96-93 for Tyson Fury, which is [ __ ] outrageous. But Francis Ngannou, who is a, a literal freak of nature. I mean, this guy grew up in Cameroon and was working in the sand mines when he was a child. Like a [ __ ] Conan movie, like full-on warrior. Like pushing the thing around in Cameroon. He's developing his body, digging in the sand all day. He's supremely physically advanced. He's not just fit, he's the hardest puncher ever measured in all of MMA. There's a machine that we actually have outside at the gym, and if you hit this thing, Francis has hit it harder than any person who's ever lived. Yeah. Well, look at him. Look, can I hit it? Yeah, we can set it up. I had the record for the kick for a while. Okay. Yeah, somebody, a couple people beat it now. But Francis punched like it's an insane. It's like getting hit by a [ __ ] car. Sure. And when he dropped Tyson Fury in the third round, you see Tyson's on his back going, what the [ __ ]? And then he realizes, like, cuz he, I think he, yeah, a sledgehammer. He thought he was going to run him over because he's the boxing heavyweight champion. He's like, there's no way this guy could box with me. He even said at the beginning of the fight, it's time to go to school. Okay? And then Francis said at the end of the fight, you are a shitty professor. You should watch it. It's a good free show. It's on ESPN Plus. You can still, I'm pretty sure you can still get it. Yeah. Um, anyway, I just, uh, it's, uh, yeah, I'm just excited that you're interested in doing it still. Sure. All right.

Didn't you [ __ ] your back up doing like sumo wrestling? Yeah. What, what happened there? Uh, still hurts a little bit, actually. I've had like four operations, really, from that. Well, I had like, I, I mean, I had like some childhood injuries, like I said, I was in some pretty severe fights as a kid, like, really, like I was almost killed at one point. So, really, what happened? I was just in school in South Africa. It's a very violent place. Um, so, um, there's been many involuntary fights, it's just the way it was. Um, but anyway, so I had like, and I had some rugby injuries as well. Um, saw South, South Africa won the World Cup, which is cool, in rugby. Um, so, so, so I think that that was like not a good starting position. Um, but then, um, the world champion sumo wrestlers, world champion sumo wrestler, they did kind of like a demo bout for my birthday. And since it was my birthday, they, I guess they just, they call up the birthday boy and say like, hey, do you want to sumo wrestle? This is where, like, it's a similar weight differential. He was 50% heavier than me. So, like, I don't know, 360, 370 pounds. Um, and, um, it's, I knew you'd take it easy on me in the first round. So the only way I'm going to knock him over is is momentum. So I got to basically run at him. Um, so I did, uh, run at him, did a Judo throw, knocked him over, and smashed the disc in my neck in the process. Oh, yeah. It's like, it'd be like running at that wall, you know, if you run out of wall, it's kind of hurt. Did you have to get it fused or anything? Yeah. Oh, man. That's so, it's like, you can knock, you can, you can knock over someone, you can defeat someone bigger than you if willing to, you know, smash a disc in your neck. Yeah. Well, if you know what you're doing and you're willing to smash a disc in your neck, those two things. So he wasn't expecting me to be a total lunatic on.

Round one, um, and he defeated me, obviously, in round two and three because he was like, "Oh, eyes knows what to effect." But, um, so I had like five minutes of glory and a decade of pain.

Um, now that you've got your, your neck fused, that that creates problems with the upper and lower discs as well, doesn't it? Over time, if there's too much neck rotation, it can be, it can damage the... How long ago was this you had this operation, man? I had three operations where you got it fused. How long ago? I had two artificial discs, and I'm actually in favor of artificial discs. They put the wrong, wrong ones, wrong disc in, but then eventually, the third one is like, "Let's just fuse it."

Um, they put the wrong one in, yeah, twice. So, and how, how, 'cause I have friends that have artificial discs, I'm actually in favor of artificial discs. You just need to have the right one. So, in, in my case, um, the, this point, I know a lot about it. The, the C5, C, C6 right facet, uh, is impacting the, the, you know, the facets are like the outriggers. You got the center core of the spine, facets, the outriggers, and they're shingled, so they're, they're like, you know, one on top of the other like this. There's a little nerve that goes out in between the C5, C6, and, and, and if those, if those verb come close together, they, they grind the nerve.

Um, so you get the, they just sort of start shearing the nerve. Um, now, um, so my, my, my, my, my C5, C6 right facet, and it, it shows up clear as on like a technetium scan. So if you could do like a radioactive scan with tech, technetium, uh, it's very clear, um, where the problem is. Um, so what should have been done was, uh, a simple hinge, like a, you know, basically to move the, uh, move the vertebra, the, the, basically the C5 vertebra back about maybe an eighth of an inch to sort of unload the facet and then put a simple hinge. So just, just rotation.

Um, but I was given a, what is a called a Mobi-C, which is a more mobile disc. The Mobi-C allows it not just rotation, but also translation. So it can move back and forth. So that, that then didn't solve the impacting of the C5, C6 because, because it could, it could slide and when it would slide forward, the C5, C6 would bang and crunch the nerve. And what does the normal neck do? Does the normal move forward in that way? The, the disc is like, it's like a gummy bear, basically, normally. So it allows rotation and translation. So it's like, it's like sitting on like a jelly pillow. That's what, like one of those Bosu balls that people sit on sometimes. They work. Rubber disc. It's like a rubber pillow, basically. Yeah.

Um, so the natural disc allows for rotation and translation. So, um, they basically put a disc that had too much mobility in and did not solve the C5, C6 no of impact. So then, then anyway, the third time around, I was like, "Listen, I just don't want to take a chance here. Let's just fuse it." Oh, wow. And so it just limits your mobility? No, I'm fine. I'm like, I can look right and left. It's, it's okay. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah. I'm not like, you know, totally stiff-necked. No, you don't seem like you're stiff-necked at all. No.

There was a guy who fought in the UFC named Yoel Romero, and, uh, he's a real freak, too. Amazing athlete. And he came from the, uh, Cuban wrestling program. He was a, one of, one of the greatest wrestlers that's like ever competed amateur. He had his entire neck fused. And when he runs, like his neck doesn't move. It's kind of freakish. Okay. Like you see him running and his neck looks like it's a stick. Wow. And the whole body is like, like moving around, but the neck is just locked in place. It's very bizarre to look at. I mean, he runs like a man whose entire neck is fused. Like watch him. See if you can show the image of him here. Watch him run. Wow. See how his neck? He's in good shape. Oh, yeah. You think? I mean, you don't get in any better shape than this guy. By the way, he looks like that now, and he's 46, 47 years old and still competing at the highest level, okay, in Bellator. I mean, he's an unbelievable athlete and one of the most explosive guys that's ever fought in the sport. Just insanely powerful and fast. Yeah. Cool. So you compete at the highest level with your neck fused? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm not, I'm not too worried about that. Aljamain Sterling, who was the UFC bantamweight champion, he, um, got his neck fused. Then or not got a disc replaced, rather, in his neck, and then went on to defend his title three times, still fighting at the highest level with a fake disc in his neck. Well, I guess it'll be okay then. Yeah. Well, medical science is pretty [ __ ] incredible what they can do now, you know? I mean, injuries that would have, like, you would have been [ __ ] for the rest of your life just a few decades ago. Yeah. Now you're good to go. Yeah.

So I'm excited. We've kind of rekindled this Zuck versus El on fire. I mean, he's checking out. What? That's the... I don't think he's checking it out. Yeah. There's no, he's checking it out. You think so? Yeah. Buck, buck, buck. Well, maybe he's suck. Oh, him into fighting using torts. It might work. Yeah. It, I mean, somehow or another, you got him to agree in the first place. I was stunned. Surely he will respond to a tort like that. Yeah. Surely. I mean, how can you resist? How can he resist? Resist? Yeah, exactly. Just go, let's go full schoolyard, uh, torting. What if there was like real, um, consequences on the line? Like, what if you guys had a real bet? Okay. Sure. Like the moderation team from X takes over moderation of Facebook if you win. No problem. It sounds good. And if he wins, vice versa. It's a fight for civilization. Yeah. A literal fight for civilization. I mean, I'll do it. Wow. Heavy. True. And you wouldn't even train for this? No, I train a little bit. Train a little bit. Yeah. Like, how many weeks you need? I mean, I, I don't have to train. I could do it like tomorrow. I tried going to his house. Actually, did you really? Yeah, 'cause he lives in Palo Alto. Um, and we're doing some, um, you know, Tesla full self-driving testing. So I'm like, well, got to pick a destination. You press the button, go to navigate to Zuck's house. Yeah. Basically, he's not far. He's like a, I think he's like three miles away from the Tesla, Tesla California headquarters. Wow. Um, but, uh, I don't know. There's nobody there. It's probably in Hawaii. He was, according to a spokesman, he was traveling. Oh, yeah. Been wild if he was there. Yeah. You say literally, like, like anytime. I just thought it was funny, um, to go like, you know, I'm coming over to your house, I'm gonna get you. Well, it's even more funny when it's two of the richest guys in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so anyway, you didn't, uh, didn't answer. Yeah, too bad. Yeah, too bad. It's, it's just fun. It's fun. And I'm, I'm glad you're just for the fun of it. I mean, I think it would be, well, actually, like Dana, Dana White thinks it would be like the, like the, you know, a really big ticket fight. It would be [ __ ] huge. Yeah. I would commentate on that. Yeah. I mean, the pro could go to charity and stuff. It'd be, yeah, it'd be crazy. People would want to see what the hell is going on. Oh my God, it would be [ __ ] huge. Yeah. Yeah, it would be really crazy, crazy. Like if, if they close the thing, yeah, and Bruce Buffer is in there, it's time. The place would go [ __ ] bananas. Bananas. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Does it have to be in the Coliseum? Would you agree? No, I'll do it anywhere. I, I literally said anywhere, anytime. You know where you should do it? The Sphere in Las Vegas. The Sphere is great. The amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. I was there. I've only seen it on the outside, but it looks, the inside's even better. I've seen video. I haven't seen it live, but I, I was there on Saturday night and it was, it's awesome. Like, it's really good. I think it might be the best show on Earth. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you have visuals that, uh, accompany the music, like if you have like someone like Roger Waters, like which his show is like insanely visual, something like that, and Sphere would be the art, the art in the show that I saw on Saturday night was incredibly good. I, I don't know who did all the art, but what was the band? Oh, was you? Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, but, um, I mean, I've been to U2 concerts and U2 is great, but, but, but, um, the Sphere is really, like, if U2 hadn't been there, it still be great. Yeah. U2's, it's like a, you know, like on Sunday, there was a movie that was played, a movie there. Whoa. Um, where do you look? Yeah, in all directions. Oh my God. Yeah. Are you? I mean, it's like actually being like in, in virtual reality. In fact, it was such, it was so wild, the Saturday night one especially, that you, you step outside after the show and like, you're like, why is reality so boring? Oh, so this is a postcard from Earth. Darren Aronofsky's thing. Oh, wow. And you're watching this? I saw that on Sunday, and it covers the whole ceiling. Oh my God. It's really great. You saw it there? Yeah. Oh my God. That's that's incredible. Yeah. It's really good. That'd be the greatest movie ever. I think. Like Saturday night, the Saturday night show, and obviously U2 adds to it, but like I said, the, the Sphere is really special in and of itself. Um, I think it's probably the best show I've ever seen. Wow. Yeah. I could imagine. I mean, it's just, what an amazing venue and what an incredible idea to have the entire ceiling all screen. I got to hand it to Dolan, that was pretty amazing. Absolutely amazing. I'm, I'm so glad that he did that. And then also the outside. Oh, that's incredible. They really play with perspective. God, that's, it's, it's round, but it doesn't look round, right? So it'll, it'll be like, it'll simulate like a, like a square, like all sorts of shapes. Wow. And then also the outside of it, like they had the outside of it, it looked like Earth. It's just amazing. It's really cool. Yeah. Super cool. So I like these epic things. That's the venue. You know, it's really cool. That's the venue. That's where it needs to go down. In the Sphere. Sure. Yeah. That's even better than the Coliseum. Okay. Yeah. Especially if the United States falls. That would be our Coliseum. This would be our Rome. Vegas will be our Rome. I mean, the Sphere reminds me of being like a modern-day Coliseum. Yeah. Yeah. Like a modern-day version. Like what they do. Yeah. With art, technology, currently. Yeah. And then Vegas is like, kind of grotesque in the sense that when we think about like the, the hedonism of Rome, its final days, that's Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go. Are you not entertained? You will [ __ ] be entertained. You'll be [ __ ] you'll be [ __ ] entertained. Entertained. No doubt. Um, let's do it.

There's one point in time you were trying to get people to do a pause on AI. I mean, I, I signed on to a letter that someone else wrote. Um, I didn't think that people would actually pause, but you thought it was probably a good idea if they did. I mean, I think so. Yeah. I mean, making some sort of digital super intelligence seems like it could be dangerous. It certainly has the potential. And certainly has the potential. Well, when you were talking about the, the, what this mind virus, how it was able to propagate through the, the social media and being in control of social media platforms, think about what that means if that same mind virus gets in control of a super intelligence. And that is possible. No, that's what, that's actually what I think the biggest danger is for AI is that if AI is implicitly programmed, I don't think they can do it explicitly, but implicitly programmed with values that lead to that, that have led to the destruction of downtown San Francisco and a bunch of these AI companies are in the San, either in San Francisco or in the San Francisco Bay Area, then, uh, you could implicitly program an AI to believe that extinction of humanity is the, what it should try to do. If you take that guy who was on the front page of New York Times and you take his philosophy, which is prevalent in San Francisco, the AI could conclude like he did that there are eight, where he literally says there are 8 billion people in the world, it would be better if there are none. And engineer that outcome. Yeah. Well, especially if it doesn't need us anymore. If it becomes sentient and then has the ability to make its own decisions and make a better version of itself, it would find us to be nothing but a problem. Like we have nothing to offer anymore. Right. Yeah. It is a risk. So, um, you know, and like if you query ChatGPT, I mean, it's pretty woke, you know? Yeah. So, um, you know, people did like experiments like, write a poem praising Donald Trump, and they, it won't. But, but you ask, write a poem praising Joe Biden, and it will. Yeah. So I'm like, you know, that's a little sketchy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's unfortunately it's programmed. And yes, it's programmed to be that way. Is it possible to overcome those problems? Is it possible that we could realize the dangers that are involved in creating this, but somehow or another engineer it in a way that would be ultimately beneficial to people? Or is that just a whim, as a hope and a prayer, utopian version of what could happen versus the most likely outcome? If you say like, what is the most likely outcome of AI? I think the most likely outcome, to be specific about it, is is a good outcome. Most likely a good outcome, but it's not for sure. So I think we have to be careful how we program the AI, um, and make sure that it is not accidentally anti-human. So, um, yeah, you know, the accidentally extinctionist AI, you wouldn't want that. Or even pruning. Well, that, that is kind of how it works. Is that these, um, what they call large language models, but, you know, it's really just a big pile of numbers, um, and how you tune those numbers matters. Um, it's like, it's like pruning a tree, you know, you could have a mighty oak, you could be a little bonsai, or a mighty oak. So depending on how you prune it, right? That's what I'm saying. Like if it decided to prune, if it decided the, the real issue perhaps, yeah, we, we cause problems. Or maybe it would prune places in the world that are, you know, overwhelmingly polluting, like third world countries. Maybe it would decide that they're not very necessary, particularly if we use computers or AI or some sort of robotics to do human labor, and then you have these areas where human beings are doing this labor and they're polluting, and you know, there's all sorts of issues that come about because of that. You say, well, we just eliminate those people, we eliminate that issue, and then we have 30% less garbage in the ocean. And then it makes this call. Yeah. Yeah. There's something we should be concerned about. And, and I, I, I actually, to go, oh [ __ ] I, I, sorry, I need to go. Should we wrap it up? Yeah, 'cause I, I have to go to the airport. Um, I have to fly. I'm flying to London. Yeah. You explaining that? Yeah. Just, um, for AI safety, AI safety conference in London. So, yeah, I'm leaving in about an hour and a half. What do you hope to get out of this, uh, conference? Like, well, I don't know. Um, I mean, I'm, I'm just generally concerned about AI safety, but I, it's like, what should we do about it? [Music] Um, I don't know. Um, have some, some kind of regulatory oversight of some kind. It's like, you can't just go build a nuclear bomb in your backyard, you know? That's against the law and you'll get thrown in prison if you do that. How much of a concern? I think maybe more dangerous than a nuclear bomb, really. Yes. How much of a concern is it if another country develops it before us? Um, I don't, I don't know. If, if that, we just be concerned about AI being, um, anti-human. That's the sort of the thing, um, that matters. So potentially, um, I'm saying it's, it's, it's like a genie letting a genie out of a bottle, you know? It's sort of like a magic genie that can make wishes come true, except, um, usually when they tell those stories, that doesn't end well for the person who let the genie out of the bottle, right? Do you think we're creating a life form? Um, yeah, I mean, it's something that is indistinguishable from, in from intelligence, an intelligent life form, certainly. I, I keep coming up against this idea, I keep banging it in my head, that we're some sort of an electronic caterpillar that's creating a cocoon and we don't even realize what we're doing, and we're about to give birth to some technological butterfly. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that's, we're on the cusp of an artificial intelligence revolution. And, um, you know, for the longest time, or for a very long time, uh, we've, the smartest creatures on Earth, that's been our defining characteristic. I mean, I mean, speaking of martial arts, I mean, I, I don't think anyone should challenge a silverback gorilla to a fight, you know? Um, even if you're very good at martial arts, that thing's going to kill you. Um, you know, it literally walks on its fists. If those fists meet your face, it's game over. Um, so, but, so we're not, we're not stronger than a gorilla, we're not, um, we're not faster than other animals, we're smarter. Um, now what happens when there's something way smarter than us? Where does it go? It's a good question. Yeah. Well, listen, go talk to those people. Go school them. And I, I hope something good comes out of it. And, um, thank you for your time. Appreciate you coming in here. It's been fun. Good to see you. Always good to see you. Thank you. Thanks for everything, man. Thanks for buying Twitter too. You're welcome. Really. It means, hopefully it's a force for good. You know, that is aspirationally a force for good. I think at the very least, it stopped a lot of bad. Yeah. Good. All right. Bye, everybody. All right. [Music]