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So what was the point of MK Ultra? They were trying to figure out, can we really brainwash people? Can we create Manchurian candidates? Can we split people's personalities?
It involved a lot of former Nazi scientists and involved a lot of LSD, dosing people with massive, massive doses of LSD. I have access to the documents that survived the destruction order, and it was called Super Spy. These women would lure these men back to the hotel and drug them with LSD. We had like Star Project Stargate, like the movie "Men Who Stare at Goats," and remote viewing, and all this other stuff was going on.
Then they started MK Ultra, um, which involved a lot of former Nazi scientists and involved a lot of LSD and dosing people with massive, massive doses of LSD, and ruining a lot of people's lives in the process. But it was an attempt initially to find some kind of a truth serum. And actually, the Navy, uh, participated in the biggest one, which was called Project Chatter, which is a sub-project of MK Ultra. And with this, this guy, he's a professor at, uh, it's in Hamilton, New York. I can't remember the name of the Colgate University. His name is Dr. George Esther Brooks. And he and J. Edgar Hoover are collaborating on a plan to use hypnosis to capture and hypnotize a German submarine captain and give him alter identities, then send him back to his fleet in Germany and have him torpedo the entire German fleet inside the harbor. And this was a legit plan.
And I have access to the documents that survived the destruction order, and it was called Super Spy. And, uh, do you do show notes like the PDF in the comment or PDF in the description thing? Mhm. I would love to send it to you so people can download it, but Oh, we'll do it. We'll do it. We've done it before. I thought you meant every. Yeah, we'll do it. Yeah. So, I'll send it to you so people can actually look at these, 'cause they're not public record. I went to this guy's house, talked to a family member. These were like old stuff that survived the, the CIA's destruction order of all, all of this stuff.
But it got weird. I mean, you, these guys had lots of power. This was called the OSS, which, as you know, pretty well back then. Uh, we've got this guy running the show. His name's Wild Bill Donovan. And he, uh, his instructions to the lead guys in every unit was to make Mary hell when it came to MK Ultra. And they did this one project called Project Midnight Climax. Have you heard of this? Mm-hmm. They took prostitutes in San Francisco, and these women would lure these men back to the hotel and drug them with LSD, like high-dose LSD. And on the other side of a two-way mirror, these scientists would be back there writing down, God knows what. Uh, because that's all we really know about the whole program.
But they were also experimenting with aerosol LSD, like, can we disperse it into a crowd? Can we disperse it over a city? What does it do in water supplies? And it's just some insane stuff. But they, they discovered this way to create a Manchurian candidate. And this is a lot of where some of these ideas came from. And this guy, George Esbrooks, perfected, or back then had it perfected, this system to create a Manchurian candidate to where he could, he could create an alter ego inside of an army officer. One of them was the normal officer, and they called him Jones A, and there was a Jones B. And we could send this guy through enemy lines doing whatever. Jones A is a normal army officer. Jones B is carrying these vital classified secrets, radio frequencies, you know, whatever it is. I made that last part up, the frequency part up. Who knows what he's carrying? So, if Jones A gets captured, Jones B doesn't activate until he hears a very specific hypnotic phrase or hypnotic command under hypnosis. And they do that on the other side of, of the line. So, they developed this stuff way back when. And one of the doctors working on this whole project was named Dr. Joelyn West, who may have been involved with the Sirhan Sirhan situation and, uh, Bobby Kennedy, and which is a whole another rabbit hole. But it looks like Sirhan Sirhan to me. I'm 100% convinced that he was programmed to do that.
No. It's not hard to do. I mean, look at the Milgram experiment. 40 minutes, kill a stranger. And they didn't use hypnosis. There was no like cool sales tactic or script that they had to follow. You don't. Everybody's concerned with like, what do I say? What are the exact words I need to say? It's, can you trigger the fate model? Focus, emotion, uh, I'm sorry, focus, authority, tribe, and emotion. And if you get that, you get compliance. Uh, and if you get that plus hypnosis, then you can create the Manchurian candidate. And it's not that hard to do. You don't need a bunch of advanced training to, to get that done. And I've studied that for a long time.
So, when I work with one-on-one clients who need a breakthrough or something like that, I'll use the exact same method to create an alter ego in a person that maybe doesn't eat six pounds of cheesecake every day. So you could take the exact same thing and put it in someone else that benefits them and acts as maybe a drill sergeant or a disciplinarian. And [clears throat] the first, the reason that I started doing this or got interested in it, there are case studies and reports of people with dissociative identity disorder. So like two personalities or multiple personalities inside of a person where one of them has a medically diagnosable condition and the other one does not.
Are you me? No, this is proven. Like one of them could be cortically blind, or one could have, uh, color blindness, one of them could have, uh, some kind of a diabetic condition. There were several conditions where these other personalities would have allergies, even skin allergies and rashes in response to cat hair. And just upon reading this, I'm thinking like, well, could I make someone with severe depression have an alter ego that doesn't have the depression? And we know that neurons that fire together wire together. So over the course of six months, if they keep doing this, can they kind of like rewire their brain if this alter ego keeps taking over? Of course, I didn't know. Uh, I played with it for a really long time. And man, our, our brains are fascinating and how fast they can change and adapt. And if you've got a good person working with you, you can get a lot done. But that, I think the, the only other way to really alter mental plasticity that fast would be psychedelics. That's with like a ketamine or a DMT or something like that.
So how would they, how would they do it with MK Ultra? Would it be, would it, they, they are in the middle of the journey, you know, that that the psychedelic kicks in and then they, is it hypnosis? I mean, because the way it's described is they're injecting thoughts, right? Yeah. So it probably, there was never a recipe. My estimation is that it was a microdose of LSD, because you, as you know, in psychedelics language, loses more and more meaning the more psychedelics you do. So I was thinking it was a microdose of LSD, massive amounts of hypnosis, to where the person's hyper-responsive to that person's voice. It's like when I see clients, they listen to my MP3 audio thing, that's hypnosis to just help them go to sleep every night. So, by the time they show up and see me in person, their, their brain is hyper-responsive to, to my voice, and it's a lot easier. Um, and then during that process, in my estimation, they used real trauma, like oxygen deprivation or something like that, to create a traumatic brain response inside of the limbic system of our brain, which makes us dissociate. And during this process of dissociation is when they put that second dissociated person or part of them, or I don't know how the words to say, but they're dissociated. So while they're dissociated, they hypnotize them and then kind of create that alter ego. Tell them how they activate. Tell them when they come up and when they, what their personality is, what they like to do. You're, you're here to protect the host. So like, if I did this to you, Shawn B's job would be to protect Shawn A.
Does that make? I mean, kind of. [laughter] A little bit. I mean, I, I don't understand how person B comes out though. You know what I mean? How, how does, how is that determined? Person B comes out through dissociation. So that's where we get the, the name dissociative identity disorder. So, when a person is going through some kind of traumatic event, uh, you'll talk to somebody, I think you had someone on your show who mentioned this, who goes through trauma and they just kind of like exit their body temporarily or exit this one, uh, globe of consciousness into this other piece. And when they shift over to this other piece, you can separately create this piece and give them an identity, give them a name. And if I can make something real in your head, then I can create it in reality for you.
Which is why a lot of these cases of dissociative identity disorder were created by the psychiatrists in the '70s and '80s and the '90s because, and this is called iatrogenic dissociative identity disorder. So if you came to me, I keep using you as the example, but there's nobody else here. If Sean, if you came to me and I was a psychiatrist and we were working together, you said, "Well, I have this thing going on in my life and it's X and Y and Z." And all I did was start talking about two different parts of you. And I say, "It seems like there's a part of you that wants to eat the right thing, but there's also a part of you that wants to overeat." You're like, "Yeah." And then I go into five or six other examples in your life. Is this like this in social situations? Is there a part of you that wants to hide and there's a part of you that wants to socialize? Yeah. So, I'd go into all these parts and then I would say, "You know what? I'd like you to take a questionnaire." And this questionnaire is maybe 17 questions. And a lot of these people made it up on the spot, these little questionnaires. And if I tell you that you scored high in dissociative identity, I'd say like this person, this other part of you has their own thoughts, their own behaviors, their own life. Uh, and I think a lot of your issues are from not addressing this other part of you that wants to do these other things, and they're probably here to keep you safe. So, just really quick, just between you and I, if, if that other part of you had a name, what would you want to name that other part? And you say, "Steven." And I'm like, "All right, so I'd like to talk to Steven now." So within the course of one session, I have a conversation with Shawn. I have a conversation with Steven. And by the third or fourth session, you are fully living your life as if there are two people in your head.
You got to because what happens there? There's a lot of novelty, focus, a lot of authority because there's a guy in a lab coat or a guy in the psychology sweater vest holding the clipboard there taking you through a lot of this stuff. The authority and your expectation is is what sets the stage for this to become a reality. So you can get, you can accidentally get dissociative identity from a provider.
Wow. And this is very well documented. And so what was the point of MK Ultra? Who knows? I don't know. You don't know. I think the initial aim was to figure out the perfect truth serum, which they thought LSD was some miracle for truth serum. Uh, and they were testing sodium amytal, which is another drug that's pretty well known as a, as a good truth serum. And they were trying to figure out, can we really brainwash people? Can we create Manchurian candidates? Can we split people's personalities? There was so much, and it was just wild. It was the wild west. So it's just looking at what they did, you would, nobody would ever be able to know what the ultimate aim was.
So how would they get personality B to trigger on demand? But if they were going to have a Manchurian candidate or, um, you know, an assassin or, you know, Yeah. Any, any, you know, bad actors. I mean, how would they, how would they trigger personality B to carry out whatever the mission is? It's pretty simple. A lot of repetition. So, like if I continually deprive you of oxygen, and then afterwards, every time you dissociate, I'm saying, "Now I'm talking to Shawn B. And what's your number one goal? You want to protect Shawn A, right? And the number one way to do that is to go do this one thing in this place. That's the way to protect. Is that your, is that your goal? Is that what you want to do? Good." And every time you come out, I might set up some kind of a trigger. Once you hear these words, then you have permission to come out and do exactly what you want to do.
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