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Oh, you don't work with the police at all? You're not a paid informant or anything like that?
No. I wish I could be. A short gun. I wish I could. No, I mean, they say I'm a FBI. Yeah, I, I, you know, you see that a lot. Are you—do you not like Asians? And I can't call them a racist name. Okay, you ain't know, but you gonna talk to me like me, y'all man. So you wasn't mad at all? Age all right.
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Welcome to the Digital Social Hour. I'm your host, Sean Kelly. You're my co-host, Wayne Lewis.
What up?
What up? You know, I guess today, Charleston White professionals. Yeah, I thought I would being kidnapped and attacked last time, so I ran out, uh, ran out the parking lot, but I was in the wrong place, so I'm glad to be in the right place.
Yeah, I would never say you up, man. I got you. So you know, everybody tell me, man, when you go to the West Coast, they're gonna get you. Don't go to LA, don't go to Vegas. Oh, I mean, but you got to understand why though. You didn't talk a lot about Nip. I didn't do all that I do. Oh, oh, I've actually had some people try to get me to, uh, uh, you know, sit down, uh, with Nip's brother, but he ain't have—he don't want to have it, and I understand, uh, but, but for the most part, those who understand the, the message, uh, in the, in the, uh, unorthodox way that I'm trying to relay it, yeah, they also get it too, right, uh, because it—I didn't get it until I went to Nip's funeral. You know what I'm saying? Because prior to Nipsey's funeral, uh, most people really didn't know much about it other than his videos, his music, and then that was his fans who loved his music, right? Outside of his fans, we had very little knowledge in depth of who he was as a man. And so I went to the funeral saying, man, well, who is this guy? Why is everybody in my city, in my state celebrating him, right? Uh, so when I went to try to find out who Nipsey Hussle was, or I found out about a guy by the name of Iris, right? Uh, and so throughout that whole funeral, uh, 90 to 95% of what I heard was a guy by the name of Irvis, right? So I walked away with a whole different perspective.
Yeah. So did you—have you ever apologized for—
Yeah, yeah. I, I came out of character and made it known that, uh, I've never spoke ill and will of the man, and I want to uplift the name. Irma's a homie. If we stay stuck on Nip, then Nip would never go in the history books; he'll stay attached to the hip-hop culture. Um, I've met people from his country and from his land, uh, they honor his name because his name has a meaning.
So are you—are you apologizing? Is this an apology?
Oh, it means of God.
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I'm Gonna Do With God, so he is, yeah, from the nationality here, from, from that country. So, uh, that, that those people have a lot of pride, right, uh, and who he is and what he represented outside of rap and Rolling 60s, right? Uh, if we get stuck on Nip, we get stuck on the 60s, right? Because Nip overall was ultimately Rolling Six times. But you—but you're basically saying, uh, Nip didn't define the actual character who he was, and it was a character, but you actually learning about the person that—itself. He read about astrology. Yeah, he was super smart, but we don't know that.
Yeah, you know, uh, so, so that's why he was able to deliver the type of message he, he was given in his lyrics, uh, and even his community work. So, so after the funeral, I met—um, I went to the funeral with her, with the 60s. Yeah. So, so I rode back in, in the Sprinter van with the 60s, so I got to meet, uh, the, the founders and the leaders and some of, some of the ones who, uh, started, started that, that, that, that game, and one in particular was by a guy by the name of Psych, or Raymond Washington's best friend. So he's the Godfather of Raymond Washington's daughter, Ray Ray. So, uh, he gave me a ride back, back to where I was staying in LA. So I was standing in, in, in the Denver Lane off of Imperial in Vermont; that's where I was standing at the time when I had moved back to Texas and came back to the funeral. So he had told me a story and a scenario about when, when, when Irma was 12 years old before he got into the game, and he asked one of the big homies—big homie, why you gang bang? And he said that he gang bang. He told Nip—did he gang bang because he was born to? And he said his 11, 12-year-old kid named Irma, who grew up to be Nipsey, said, big homie, when I grew up, I'm gonna take care of the hood. And that was an 11 and 12-year-old kid who grew up and took care of the hood. So I got to learn something different outside his music after that; I started listening to his music, right? You see what I'm saying? So, uh, I got to learn him backwards. So in, in your case, you're basically saying that it's easy to say character, not the man. You were misunderstood.
Oh, well, I'm trying—I'm trying to—
Are you deep, like you're commonly misunderstood?
Oh, well, let me just stick to this. Yeah, imagery is, is what controls us in the culture now, whether it's a gangster image. And so, uh, Nip didn't have a gangster image, but what he was associated with and how he died represents gangsterism, right? Perception that we got. If we uplift him as a man, what was able for him to bring—the Mexicans, the, the, the blacks, the Crips, the Bloods—all that came together, homie, uh, after the funeral of their neighborhood. Yeah. So, so it wasn't a gangster Nip that did—so I'm saying, okay, how many—how many points we can say—see—Nut, that was my little gang name—because it's the character. We can say, uh, uh, the rapper and not the man. All right, the man is who we want to associate with and not the rapper. And what's happening now, we're getting stuck on the rapper, and we never get to know who he is as a man, as a father, as a son, uh, and ultimately, uh, we boxed them in to never be able to come out their character, so they got to stay gangster all the time. And so I was trying to attack the character and the image that's portrayed into the culture, not the actual person itself. Not the actual person itself. It was risky, uh, because—but why not just say that versus a line when they just kind of linger? Because it takes away from the power of it. Uh, anytime you come out and explain it—explain what you're doing—that's a sign of weakness.
No, because sometimes you have to explain so people can have a better understanding. Though it's not how they articulate it—it's not just everybody to understand. Those who understand it understood it already. Yeah, but most people don't. But I'm not for everybody.
Well, well, I'm not trying to save the world. Well, I only—my words are for those that are here, and those that have—those that have ears will hear. Everybody's not gonna hear. Everybody's just blind, period. They're not gonna get it no matter what. I'm only here for those that can get it. You can't please everybody. That's where I met with it. So it's like when an author writes a book, he cannot write a book with the listeners in mind. You just gotta write the book. Of course, I want to tell the story. Whoever don't get it, just don't get it.
So why do you feel like most of the culture or rap industry like beef with you, or they don't like you?
Uh, well, it's because of your delivery. I, I haven't seen it, homie, because everywhere I meet the rappers, uh, I get love. Wow. From Kevin Gates, uh, homie, I get love.
So is it just an online thing?
It's just an online thing. So they don't like you online, but in person it's what's up?
Yeah, yeah. It's respect. Yeah. So what—what—what person hates you online but loves you in person? I've never had no—nobody directly, uh, other—other than those who love gang banging, other—other than those who support black people. Other than that, I don't have no problem with nothing in life, uh, only higher security when I'm on the road, uh, so, so, so the people who with me can have a peace of mind, but, uh, I flew here by myself. I fly around the country mostly by myself, uh, it's only online that the backlash is because you got—you got my analytical data is from 18 down to 65 up; that's a wide range. So that means you got kids on their trolling, uh, but in person I get all the love. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, it's—the internet is confusing, deceptive, and misleading. Yeah, it'll make you think the world hates people when they really don't, right? It'll make you think it loves people when they really don't love nobody, uh, it's just likes and shares. So I figured out how to play on the internet because most people on the internet to me is dumb and stupid. That's why you don't see business people and intellectual people on the internet comment and liking and sharing, right?
That's true.
I play on the, on, on the fact that these are the, uh, most uninformed people.
So you're like the ultimate troll?
Yeah, yeah. I wake up and I get off to—I get off to it with every fiber and being of my body. Yeah, yeah. I hate everything about Wack 100. I hate the way—I think he's a—I think he's probably the most cowardest guy in the industry, uh, because he hides behind on power. At some point as a man, my word just got to be my word. It ain't no Piru is not enforced by our own God. I ain't got to swear on nothing, uh, I just said it because I'm a man, because at the end of the day, a man is only as good as his word, right? So when I listen to Wack 100, I said, what—what does he bring? Uh, young Clubhouse every day arguing. So I made a statement one time and just—I got his attention that, uh, I do a lot of research, homie, and, and so when you look at, uh, some of the research on, on these rappers, uh, homie, they got some allegations in, in court cases on them, uh, that says, yeah, they may be good rappers, but they're not good men; they're not good people. And the Game is in particular—he's lost, uh, he's lost some, some, some publishing rights for some heat undone to some kids, a girl that was supposed to been on days. Those are court documents and court cases. The Game, you can Google it right now.
Wow.
So, so, so when I said that, uh, Wack 100 tried to attack me, and then he lied and said I was a preacher. Let me just say this, man, uh, in a passive—yeah, like a man. Yeah, man, they have been in prison for 30 years. Who let them be in prison for 30 years and come past their Church? What congregation he gonna have so much—oh, then one minute I got—he got paperwork on me at this point. Well, is there a paperwork out there? Let me just say that directly with the police. No. Let me just say something—they got—they done showed y'all paperwork on body. Yeah, there is. They've got documents on Tupac. So let me just send it, and some at this point wouldn't they have paperwork on me? Wouldn't it be saying, look right here, this Charleston man out of disrespect and said something—everything. If I was a pump, wouldn't have pumped in the toes. Wouldn't—Hey, listen, me and him, if I was buying crack, they sell me the answer to the door. Go say, Hey, you know, it'd be coming over here. Go tell this girl she gonna go to the beauty shop and said if we're sticking a deal though, at this point where I'm at, won't nobody hold my secrets. That's a faster. So you've never finished—listen to him. Why had nobody even showed my arrest record? Think about this: nobody had even pulled up my arrest record to show what I've been arrested for, but they showing mug shots. Why won't nobody even show my arrest record? Homa ain't been in trouble with the law as a kid in 1991, at the age of 14. I went into a juvenile system. I went in at 14; I came out at 21.
So why did they keep you that long if you didn't do nothing?
Because nobody—all right, listen, if me and you go—if all three of us going somewhere, okay, when we come out together, we killed somebody. According to the law—not no—ain't no a law said y'all done this. If one person going and rob and come out and get in the car and we drive off, y'all rob, right?
Right.
But, but let's look at this: when, when one in the game kill somebody, don't think the whole gang claim that we like they done this.
Yeah, everybody. Yeah, we sleeing on them. So come on now. So take responsibility when the law come; that's what you'd be saying. No, that ain't what I've been seeing. That's—that's—that's what's—that's what happened, homie, right? If you participate in something, you're just as guilty as you can accomplish.
Yeah, yeah. And in Texas, they don't have no accomplish; they don't—you don't—ain't no accessory. All y'all did it in Texas.
Wow.
Everybody charred with capital that was there. Everybody—everybody that knows if you're there before the crime and you go and you're there after the crime, you—you didn't commit that crime. So, so I got out at 21. My record was sealed. I don't have no felony convictions. My juvenile record was sealed, so there's no history of this crime being committed.
Um, so—
So when you say paperwork—I get out at 21. I haven't been in no trouble as an adult. Lou, we came here a little pistol occasion.
Oh yeah. So, so you don't work with the police at all? You're not a paid informant or anything like that?
No. I wish I could be. I'm sure God, I wish I could be.
So those rumors and speculations—those aren't true?
No. I mean, they say I'm a FBI. Yeah, you see that a lot. Yeah. Well, most who are FBI agents are confidential informants. So if I was an FBI agent and I work with the police, how good could I be being identified as working with the police? How good—how good can a police be—hey, y'all, he the police? How can I get anybody? Yeah. Well, because you brag about getting people locked up.
Oh, well, I brag about getting people up as a law-abiding citizen who's being threatened by gangsters online. So he's basically like—it's me. No, it's not me. You—if you threaten me, why would—is not you—you threatened me, right? I don't know you. Why are you online threatening me? Because I'm talking—why are you online threatening me, asking for my location, wanting to harm me? I don't know you. You don't know me. You know what I look like? I don't know what you look like, but you typing threats. Why wouldn't I say, hey, this guy's threatening me? I'm a law-abiding citizen. If you think I'm the police, why are you threatening me? So if I'm rid of the police, why are all these guys threatening me? Why all these guys making videos about—if they really believe I'm the police—well, Boosie said he stay away from you, like—all right, well, if I'm really the police, why even talk about it? Why even say I'm staying away from it? If they really believe I'm the police, think about that, huh? So that's what I'm trying to teach kids, homie—these bulls—the rappers you're talking about—because why would they—if they really think I'm the police, why would they bring my name up? Why would they even—why would they even come toward me? I don't—with the police. So we turn away from the police. If I don't watch Game when I'm not watching Game—it's just—so if you don't with the police, why are you online watching him? So if they really believe I'm the police, how can I have a billion views on TikTok? I'm surpassing me and say Cheese TV alone; we got a billion views. So they really think I'm the police? How can I—how can I garner this much attention? They can't believe I'm the police; that's just the narrative that hide behind in this culture because everybody's playing street. If I'm not a street person, why do I give a about a snitch or the police? Why do I give a about snitching if I'm not a street person? I go to work every day. Why wouldn't I like—her mother breaking my house? I want somebody who told somebody—I'm about to tell when my mama gets shot—a kid. I want somebody to tell you—tell me—nobody tell at all. It don't make no sense, right?
Yeah. You mean Tim—you know—believe the police is good in no situation, right? Come on, man. We got to—we got to kill it. Yeah. So that's what I showed up to do. I showed up to be the Robin Hood for good—for Law Abiding Citizen, neighborhood crime watching. Kids tell—tell if you see something in school. Yeah, man. Didn't know. Now it's all right to tell. If four riding in the car and you can't fight and you scared to go to jail, tell—to get out of jail. Stop wasting money. Tell her to get out of jail. It's a new day. It is. There. Tell her to get out of jail. Yeah, that's my motto. Put that on a shirt. Yeah, get out of jail. Yeah. Okay. Do you think any of these rappers are snitching or their informants?
Yeah, I think a lot of them really—
Oh, can you—can you name a few?
Uh, I think all of them, because for one, they're snitching in their lyrics; that's the number one fact. But sometimes there's no buts—but lyrics are lyrics to me.
No, no, no, no, no. Not lyrics aren't lyrics. Your lyrics used to be lyrics when we had Studio gangsters—Easy E and Ice Cube. Now with Studio gangsters, those was lyrics. Tupac was the first one to start trying to live without the lyrics with the Hit Em Up. That's when they start—when they—when Tupac started going with the Hit Em Up and going—that's where you start living at. That's when they start trying to really live according to what they were saying. Prior to that, it was Studio gangsters. That's why Tupac, man, was shaming MC Hammer for being a popcorner. All right, so now we making rappers have to live up to their lyrics now. Didn't exit rapping real because if they were just rapping lyrics, we wouldn't have never knew about smoking Tuka.
Um, is that what you feel about Dirk? You feel like that Dark Souls is real?
Uh, we wouldn't have never knew about smoking Tuka if it wasn't real. The FBI would have never been able to saw FD.
Wow. Wow.
So they're snitching on themselves. If they weren't real lyrics, then we wouldn't know about something that King Von was about and what he was talking about. He made a whole song by somebody—all five of the witnesses came up dead in his cases. That's the only reason the one kid that's fighting the case right, right now. Come on, I talked to one of the victims on years—years prior to the case. I know he's guilty.
Uh, science says he's guilty.
Science? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Science says you're guilty. Oh, uh, logic and reason says two of your friends show up dead and you don't have no explanation, you can't get no identification or nothing, and you're a shooter—you're cute—how you saying your lyric—you don't see nothing and don't nobody come up dead for it—you're not homie. Uh, I'm—I'm part of the culture; I'm from the culture. I once lived in the culture, uh, I once submerged myself in this culture and, and believed in my heart that what they said in those lyrics is what we should live by, as if it was biblical terms. Yeah, I was a kid that was in—I used to live by those words, only to realize we was tricked—we're being tricked, homie, and played on with them rap lyric listening and believing from the way we—we—the way we get high—we don't know what to use—to them start telling us—we didn't know about Percocets till they start rapping about—we didn't know—we didn't know what this opioid was—today introduced us to it—now they got us on Fentanyl. We have logic and reason; we have a developed brain, but we're not listening to this with an undeveloped brain. Our babies are—me and you ain't shooting in—
Right now, the babies are like when me and you were growing up. 10 and 12-year-olds were drilling; they, 10 and 12 yo, they're on the fentanyl; they're popping the pills. Even though I know it's fake, I still, yeah, I still ate it. They date Gremlins now, so they're telling us what, how can we ignore it? So I can't ignore it. I've been working with kids for too long. So what I did, I came and held up a mirror to the culture. You said to suck my dick, you crack; so that's why they talk to one another. And if you don't talk like that, don't nobody listen to you. Wow.
So you think the messaging in hip-hop is damaging? Yeah, very damaged. No, it is. Yeah, it's almost propaganda, like, like the Germans used; it's, it's, it's the same propaganda that Hitler used to, to create this, this fear in, in, in, in, in this hatred toward the Jews. It's almost the exact same thing in the cartoons and the messaging, except we're doing it to one another. We can't blame the, the music industry, right, because they don't write the lyrics; they don't, they don't.
Do you feel like they're pushing homosexuality on kids too? Oh yeah, I, I think, I think, I think children are being fed; adults are fed. Uh, there was a time in this country when, when everybody knew on Saturday mornings that there would be no advertising play during the commercial times when children were watching TV. The, the minds, in, in the ears, in the eyes of children were off-limits to, to advertisers. Uh, now, uh, because of social media and technology, advertisers have full access to our children's minds. Television has full access to their souls, their minds, their will, and their emotions. Uh, we can't censor uh what our kids see anymore. So I don't think they're just pushing homosexuality; uh, I just think they're pushing uh adult reality life off on children, uh, and leaving it for them to have to process and filter everything or to the adults. And because if you're poor, it's hard to filter what your children see.
Yeah, yeah. Their innocence is being taken away at a young age. Yeah, yeah, as, as early as, as they can start to understand stop, don't, yes, and no. Because what's one of the first things we give a child, uh, once they start walking and stop sticking in the plug? We give them a phone to look at. Yeah, and they start hitting the phone, hitting the phone, hitting the phone. Well, it's convenient for a single mother because it keeps the kid busy; it keeps them out of trouble; uh, it keeps us more time for us to look at our phones. Uh, when they get through looking at the phone, what do they pick up? A joystick. Now they own the game, so they never, uh, and from what I see, uh, they're interacting with adults on the phone. And then you look up, they got them goddamn headphones on, arguing with another grown-up, but shooting bullets on Call of Duty across the world.
So I heard TK Kirkland say this morning, uh, social media have now allowed children to sit at the table with adults and have a conversation, and that's why the respect is going, as far as the authority goes. They talk back to the teachers, police officers, because they'll get online with me, believing I'm a 53, 60-year-old man, and suck out of me, say some of the most horrible things. I'm saying, man, you think I'm old, and they say they'll kick you; think I'm old, so let me, you kick your uncle; that means if you catch the drunk uncle at the family reunion, talk, you're kicking it, even though you know he's 60-something years old. So that's the generation of young guys we got today. The old dope fiend in the neighborhood, you give him a pass; the old drunk on the corner, said you, I'll you up, even if he swings at you, you give him a pass, he's old man. Yeah, come on, homie. Yeah, the old, the old woman coming, you give passive; this is the generation, they ain't giving a pass to nobody.
Um, so, uh, at some point, we have to define what's right and what's wrong to this new, new era and new generation. We think okay because we say you don't, but the culture does. Because we didn't, we wouldn't say free to cook if we didn't think it was okay. There was, there would be no way King Von would have a mural in Chicago when there's documentation from the government, in state and local authorities, that he killed over five or six people. So if he was still alive, he'd have been in jail anyway. This is what I'm saying; he has a mural, and this culture celebrates him. Our children love him, though; the seeds who think and it's okay. And nobody in this culture has ever came out and denounced and spoke out against him. You have celebrities who go take pictures alongside of that mural, play basketball with the kids. So I'm saying, come on, homie, we embrace this.
So, so I wanted, I once put together an event with Tooka's mother, FBG Duck's mother, and I called the event Change Me. So I got Tooka's mother, FBG Duck's mother, I got Lil Snoop's mother, um, man, who else's mom, and Mo3's mom. Also, I got a criminal, a criminal court judge who, who oversees all the juvenile murder cases in Tarrant County. Then I got the head prosecutor, the homicide division of Dallas County, who oversees all the young cases, uh, and I got them on stage. And then I went and got four guys who committed [crimes] when they were children. Wow. And I wanted to recreate what a trial would look like in the form of a town hall meeting, and I called it Changed Me. And, and I posed the question, uh, for the panelists, what does it look like today in the black community? So I want to hear what the prosecutor says it looked like, what the judge said it looked like, what these mothers who have buried their kids say it looks like, and then what these people said it looked like after they'd undone time and now they're reformed, right?
So the question is, what, what does it look like in a black community when every time I get, you got his people saying free you, free you, free wife. No, he didn't kill somebody. Boosie going to this trial. On the other side, you got the victim's family saying, Long Live my family. What are we staying at? You know, he don't kill somebody. Nah, homie, let him go, pay his dues, right? Won't we play homage to the victims? You ain't seen no rapper pay homage to no victim of a crime yet, homie. But soon as a rapper gets, they get all this love, as soon as a rapper catches a case, for somebody to get all the support. So I'm saying, homie, what about these mothers? What about the, I, I spoken with Dolph's mother, how much he's suffering and struggling. I've spoken with two dudes from Dallas. Right, no, no, Dolph is the one out of Alabama; the tea I had with the patch on. Oh, that's Mo3 from Dallas. I've spoken with, with, with, with Soldier Slim's family guy; he spoke with his people. No, no, I went to Memphis the day of the funeral and spoke at Sherwood Elementary, elementary school the day after the funeral and saw how somebody would, the children are the victims, uh, because what it looked like, homie, is, is just as prestigious as NBA players in the black community. Wow. Your praise. Yeah, it's crazy; they're modded, and they're honored. Yeah, in, in the industry honors them as well, homie. So, so even they promoted me, allow them. Why did they do that?
Um, just because the, the black community itself, right, we have no leadership. So a leader is anyone who takes on that role; so usually they're scary, you know what I'm saying? So we got bosses; people respect them. So, so what a leader does, a leader in certain, in certain neighborhoods, homie, listen, I come from an era where, when gang-banging came, the old in the neighborhood, what gang? That's old cow; won't nobody say that today; won't nobody stand up, say gang members of Cowboys. Go look at every gang member that's telling the story here at the park; he don't own nothing; his woman helped him get his credit together; he didn't, he don't know, he don't own no sheets in the house; he can't fix nothing, but we honor these OG so-and-so man. So, so when you hear Wack 100 and all these guys uplifting this on power rules, they make it seem that this is, as, as, as if pyro, as if, as if blood, as if GD and BD is something honorable, and it's not; they ain't shot a gun at a white Klansman; they ain't headbutted no white or, or Bandito. When they go to jail, they get along with one another, so they can, so the Mexican don't run over. So the same enthusiasm that y'all use in jail to get along and eat from each other's bowls and spreads, why y'all can't do that at home? So the Crips been around, and Bloods have been around 50 years; rap music been around just as long. When you look at it, they have caused just as much destruction and detriment as slavery and the Ku Klux Klan. They're running side to side with each other, trying to see who's gonna win. And right now, gang-banging has surpassed slavery.
He's speaking from, yeah, because they have a huge influence. You gotta understand; he's saying that it's, it was just as detrimental as slavery because it's the influence, and it's the constant influence; every time you turn on the song, anytime you go to a hood, it's being pushed upon you. So that, in turn, pushes some of the kids into criminal activity; it gets them incarcerated. So it's kind of slavery in itself, but this is in a programming, more sophisticated way. So now what do you hear Ice Cube saying? Ice Cube is saying now these guys who own these record labels also now have some ownership in prisons. We thought that was a myth at one point in time; they didn't have life insurance on the rappers. Come on. Wow. They own the prisons; off, they have, they have some kind of stake in the man; they have life insurance on their artists; it's like they're taking over every single. Well, yeah, because it's a domino effect. Yeah, but, but it's not. Yeah, when they look at it, they see our strategy, tragedy, and, and our detriment; it's, it's a profit for them, right? It's a number. Yes, it's a profit.
Now we know at this point in history and in time, black people know everything. We know every goddamn thing; we know we're the first Jews; we can tell you about Jesus' feet were black. We know everything except how to build together. We know everything except how to manufacture something, how to create something strictly for us, how to produce something, right? We argue and debate everything; we know everything; we know how the white man tricked us back when; this, we know. Okay, so we know all these tricks and traps; why can't we avoid them now? Um, we live in the information age where, okay, our ancestors didn't know; we say they didn't know this; so we got all this knowledge, we got all this information; why can't we build like the people before us who could build with very little information, right? The slaves built Wall Street, 1920s, Slocum, Texas, Rosewood, uh, Detroit, Michigan. I mean, you can go to Atlanta, La, watch what them people did in the field. Why can't we recreate that with all this knowledge and information that we have now? And nothing can be hit because we live in an Information Age. We live in an information age where, at this point in time, we can find out about anything; we can learn how to do anything; why can't we come together and do it since we know so much? It's the culture of the music; the music is, at one point in time, you don't believe it's the divide, though; you don't believe that black people can't work together because they don't want to work together. I, I, I believe we would never work together, yeah, because we don't want to work together. Oh, I believe, I believe we don't want to work; yeah, we don't want to work together. So it's not the fact that we can't do it; it's because we don't want to do it.
Uh, I think it starts in the home; uh, I think how you work together is based on how you work together within your home; black people no longer sit down at the table and eat together. For one, there used to be a time in America, and particularly in southern black homes, where you had supper time, and everybody tried to make it home by supper time. And if you did make it home by supper time, you had a reason why you weren't at the dinner table to eat with your family. Make it home by supper time and sitting down eating with your family allowed you to bond and repair as a father, as a mother. You can look at your son, boy, why y'all, I read, what's wrong with you? You can look at your daughter, hey, what's that on your neck? What's up, bro? You show you. So now you get to examine as well as, hey, Mom, can you pass me the piece? Now y'all breaking bread with each other. Hey, can you share me the macaroni? Hey, can you pass me the bread? Oh, psychologically, homie, that, that, that instills something; uh, so you begin to feel guilty when you miss supper time with, oh, Mom, I'm sorry, I got to do this. Now, homie, we get our plates; we put it in the microwave; you go that way; I go that way; I go on the road, or we go to a restaurant. Yeah, we, we're not engaging; we're looking down at the phones. Yeah, we're not, oh, going to a restaurant used to be a treat, a family treat, uh, not a family trip, what you did regularly. Right, right. Uh, that's how you build and bond with the family, cooking and eating at home. Oh, that's why the elders always brought everybody together at some point in time; that's why when we all eat together as a family, it seems like it'd be the best time of the life, man. We got to do this again, everybody, all we got to do. And we don't practice. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, we've gotten away from that culture, right? Uh, now this subculture, which was the hip-hop culture, is what, 40, 50 years old; it's our primary culture, homie. There's no more LL Cool J's; there's no more who make music just for the ladies; there's no more Public Enemies, the conscience; everything is gangster, gangster. So that's the complete culture, yeah, which I feel like there's, they're set apart; then there's a Russell too, uh, wrestle. Oh, I've never even heard of that music. LaRosa. Yeah, he's, he's out of the Bay; he's independent. Oh, what's in the ears of the youth? Because that's how you check, check the temperature of the country by engaging the youth and what they're listening to and what they're saying. Well, most of them are listening to Dirt Young Boy; um, that's pretty much, that's all I'd be, pretty much in Dirt Young Boy. I hear King Von; I don't really hear King Von no more. Uh, yeah, I, I see it every day, yeah, really, uh, every day, all day on, in, in the comments.
Do you feel like Thug is gonna get out? Nah, like he's done, uh, no, I don't think he's done. Oh, but you don't feel like he's getting out? Uh, 90, 95% of people return back to the community, but I believe he's going to prison. Um, they, they've caused so much damage and destruction between those two entities, uh, Thug and YSL, and the little crew, uh, almost a lot of people died behind that and what they were doing. Oh, I don't think Gunna snitched. Well, when, when they asked Gunna was he a part of a gang, and was, why I sell the game, and he said yeah, then he, he snitched. Do you feel like that's the mission? Yeah, oh yeah, he is a part of it, though. Oh yeah, yeah, I feel like this is the mission. Oh, if he was supposed to say no, uh, he wants to talk; are you supposed to say nothing? Uh, he pulled a Gold trial, and you feel like he would have got out anyway? I don't feel like what he should have done. Oh, I don't feel like none of them would have got out because everybody's snitching, homie. There's no solid crews; every, the Mafia broke; Sammy the Bull, one of the coldest damn people. Samuel, and he, individual people, these guys are snitching in lyrics; how do you think they all got arrested? They got over 300 phone conversations, yeah, but they couldn't use none of them. Oh, well, no matter if they could use it, that's how they made the rest. And even if they can't use it, they still got at least 10 or 12 of them to play ball and continue your probation, five-year program, because they know they're gonna violate. Not only that, by them saying I'm guilty with this, it also says he's guilty. Remember, this is a state RICO; it can always go over to the feds if it don't go right with the state. And the feds got a 98%; it can always go because, because the state might, might from the, well, the feds to come in and we'll, we'll go get it right if y'all won't. They did it with Boosie; Boosie got off; Boosie didn't get all; Boosie was pleading guilty that day, and they, in the feds said, okay, drop it; we're gonna pick it up. They don't know how the feds tell the state to drop it so they can pick it up because you can't double jump. Oh, okay, I see what you're saying; you can't double jeopardy now. So the state said, but if you know what he did, Boosie was going to go plead guilty; he wouldn't go fight that. And when you look at, when you look at the level, homie, in the extent that they went to making arrests for a pistol case and a rapper, there's more to it than that. Well, it's not more to it than that; if we were smart, we'll know the theme because it's dumb; they've been telling us about the rap police for how long? Forever. They've been telling us the feds are watching the rappers; either they boys are, they some stupid; they've been telling other rap police, right? The feds are watching. Okay, you with real gang members; you in the real gang neighborhood, man; you're supposed to be a boss or a king; why you moving down here with these peasants like this, man? I got higher security, man, with a real company, I see. And then without L.A., so you know what you got to do in California to get your gun license to be able to meet the requirements to have what they have, and they box us, they're forward Crawford. Wow, box. So no man, I went and got professionals; I ain't getting no total gun playing security, yeah, leaving the gun out the back.
So who's your top five rappers? Young Jeezy, my top five. Okay, my top five is Tupac. Okay, okay, all right, that's my, you see what I got on my shirt; Never Ignorant, Getting Goals Accomplished. Okay, on, uh, Tupac, uh, Pimp C; he lost his mystique when he started getting on the internet. Yeah, he lost his mystique; um, he should have stayed off the internet; he ain't, yeah, yeah, yeah; now he lost his mystique. Oh, and then, uh, it's Kanye. Kanye, but now, man, uh, Andre 3000. Yeah, but doesn't Tupac contradict your statement of promoting violence? Uh, well, I, I don't promote violence; I promote self-defense; uh, Tupac broke my heart, homie; uh, uh, Tupac is the reason, uh, my mind started shifting away from gang-banging; um, uh, because as a kid, you're just trying to find an identity, homie; 14, 15, 16, or your uncle a pimp; you think you want to be a pimp because he indoctrinated; then you know you got the dancing part of the culture; MC Hammer, Big Daddy Kane; so we're dancing at one point in time; we go from dancing to all of a sudden the policeman; that was a big shift. So now you got colors; you got. So as a kid, you're adapting to the culture, right? You don't have no traditions to keep you; black people don't have no tradition to keep us grounded in our values and our morals and our principles, right? Why do you think that is? Oh, because we're not upholding the traditions of our elders. Oh, Dr. King said, let's go join them in, in, in, in, in, in the process of going to go join them; we abandon us; we used to know how to grow our own food; don't not too many, they don't know how to go put no seed in the ground; thing you should know how to fish; we used to know how to hunt; if the car broke down, we just could fix the carburetor; we used to fix the alternator; you guys don't even know how to fix their bikes now; little boys' bikes get a flat; that they quit riding; you know, you know how to fix the tube.
No more. We used to know how to take them off a towel, get the glue, put fire in the hole, put in. We don't know how to do that no more. We used to know how to hook up our own stereo systems, put on our own tent. We're not skilled with our hands no more. We think we know how to shoot guns; that's why we got the Draco. We don't know how to shoot. We don't go to the gun range. We don't hunt. We don't do nothing, homie. What tradition do we have other than watching our mamas get dressed and go to work, learning how to cook? Kilometer left us at home by itself, so we don't have none. So while we're at home sitting in the house learning how to cook, we're turning on the television, and the television is telling us what we should become. We're putting on our headphones; the headphones are propagating and glorifying what we ought to be. And so when we come outside, we see like, him, look like the guy on television, got all the girls; look like the guy across the street getting up, going to work dirty every day. He, they laughing at him. So that's why, homie.
So the culture went from us dancing on stage. Big Daddy Kane was the coolest, smoothest dancing rapper we had. MC Hammer came; they started shaming him for wanting to go pop. They start dissing him from wanting to go pop. So as a kid, with your young and impressionable mind, your, your, your former knees, these opinions and thoughts about what you want to be, with this undeveloped brain, you don't even have logic and reason why you listen to this. That's why they have those three monkeys that has See No Evil, hear no evil; those supposed to be the babies. So as parents, we're supposed to be saying, "Man, what's you listening to, man? Let me hear that. What did you listen to?" And then try to help them understand, "Do you think he really doing this?" So nobody's, nobody's breaking down and, uh, it's like debriefing, moving hail hostage somewhere. Nobody's debriefing these kids on this, hmm, and nobody's attacking it. That's why you attack it.
Well, those are my convictions. Now, I didn't plan to do it; that wasn't my plan. I just came to the internet talking about my neighborhood, that cripping blood, my neighborhood, right? And the other crew heard me online saying it and felt, um, "Well, man, you can't say that about—" I only know y'all; I'm talking to you, my, uh—and so, uh, I started with my local rappers, the go yayos in the Bugatti casinos and the Mo3. I was on Trap Boy and then Freedom; they were doing all that with Mo3 in them. So I started with my local rappers before I started. So, uh, it's just, I mean, I, I didn't plan it; those was just my convictions from working in the community and seeing what's destroying, uh—and as a black man, uh, that lives amongst other black people with black children, uh—and and got white friends, uh, the problem ain't with our white counterparts. It ain't what I missed any kind of part. We call them more trouble than anything in America, black people, nothing, yeah, just for nothing. And it's not in your neighborhood; it's just amongst us. When we get in your neighborhood, we act like we can mind like a mother, yo. Are you, do you not like Asians? Uh, I don't like Asians. Oh, you don't like Asians? Come from, okay. And I can't call them a racist name, okay? You ain't know, but you don't talk to me like me, y'all. I feel like, man. So you wasn't mad at all age. So, so then when I find out they got Asian Crips, right, that's still black people; that's how you can't go join no Asian gang. I grew up with—I'm, I'm, I'm Dr. King's dream home. I started going to school with whites, Asians, and Mexicans in the 80s. The Civil Rights Act was in 1964, so in the 70s, black people really go to school; that, that segregation mark hadn't really started happening to the 80s. So I'm first generation of integration. Oh, I don't come from a hateful household. Yeah, or the judge who I had on my panel, Judge Alice Kim. All the black people in Tarrant County swear to God he races homeless. My partner, Judge Alex Kim, sat on that panel with those black mothers on that change me event, and they thought he would raise it because he sat there; he was a judge; he can't get any emotions. So when people say I hate Asian, no, man, I hate talking Asian online. Yeah, it's always some kind of misunderstanding, yeah, when it comes to you.
So what's the beef with you and Jay Prince about? Or is that, yeah? Jay Prince have never seen, uh, one word, uh, yeah, yeah. So the internet panty thought too, yeah, and I didn't have no event in Houston, homie, uh, I got—yeah, because they were saying that you had an event. I got, I got, I got invited. I got invited to speak at a youth mentoring summit, uh, with, with this lady called Miss Papp, and she has an organization called Parents Against Predators. So I was, I was scheduled to speak. So it's right after Quavo's or Takeoff was a Takeoff, Offset, Takeoff stuff, yeah. So they're right after Takeoff; that was, that was a crazy thing. Oh, yeah. So, so this was right off Takeoff there. So because the internet, right, so when I posted the event, there's a lot of people on the internet that don't call the FBI on me and say, "Man, he people, and he's straight." So, uh, so they make a lot of calls on me. So they was calling the city of, of the city of Houston mayor's office in, in, and was saying all type of things about me, uh, "He's gonna cause this." So the only thing the marriage off though, man, we got a bunch of calls, man, "This guy's bringing some bad, bringing a bad look." So rather than bringing a bad look to the event, uh, I, I withdrawn, but the city of Houston said, "Hey, man, maybe he shouldn't come if he's gonna—" But they don't know he's getting people from the internet calling because we got the information posted. So you don't have no beef with Jay Prince? No, no, no. I ain't got no beef with nobody, homie, uh, I've never robbed nobody, I've never shot at nobody, I've never broken nobody's house, I ain't jumped on nobody's sister. Yeah, but it's some people, a lot of people, and I ain't got—and who am I talking to? The internet. Yeah, but your platform is bigger than life, but who am I talking to? So this is what I want to know: who's sitting around in their feelings as a man listening to another man? Yeah, if you got a problem with what I say, come hit me in my mouth. Oh, man, you ain't really got no problem, because how can you have a problem with what a man's saying online that you don't know? For one, if you got a woman, number two, if you gotta feed kids, if you got to pay bills. Only people mad at me is broke girls online weekends, and they feelings, people who ain't got nothing else better to do in life but to listen to what another man's saying, because I don't send out invitation to be heard. You can't find one video where I said, "Hey, y'all, like, share, subscribe." I'll never do that. I don't post my cash. Yeah, I'll say, "Y'all hit my cash app." You got to get online and talk without a script, and all of my conversation is based off what's written in the comments. Yeah, you better not come to New York. Oh, New York. Oh, he's this New York man. You better, uh, uh, King Von behind your—so that's all my, that's all my conversation is. They say you never get hate from people doing better than you; it's always from below. Yeah, well, uh, Tia from Marlo, yeah, Ti, Ti, they tried to shut me down. They made funny Marco take the video down. They may revolt on Big Facts take it down. T.I. did this. Yeah, yeah. You said he's in your top five? Oh, yeah, he's still in my top five, and I still wears cool clothing. Oh, so wait, so Tiana with you? I don't know. You know who don't—I don't know. I don't know. You don't? Oh, you don't know T.I.? Oh, how am I—I ain't no celebrity. No, I know. I just, I mean, I figured that y'all have some kind of relationship. He just got maced for nothing. So how y'all be running into each other? I'm a normal guy that's still a part of the culture. I still listen to rap music, even though I know they boo. I'm grown with an adult brain that can process this music. I listen to Luther Vandross, even though he might be gay. I listen to Freddie Jackson, even though he might be gay. I still can ride. Yeah. So I can decipher. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, man, uh, so I'm still a part of the culture. I still love the culture. I still love my people, uh, even though I hate some of my people, uh, in their actions, uh, I can still embrace it. So I'm gonna see these people; I'm gonna bump into them, uh, me and Kevin Gates, uh, Wilfredo Bain. Oh, man, I understand all of them, homie, uh, uh, uh, what's the one out of DC? T-Grizz from Detroit, uh, what? What's the one out of, uh, one be going? T-Real, T-Real at all, uh, uh, I see them all.
What's next for you, and what are you trying to promote, man? Oh, man, well, you know, I'm Live Nation Comedy Tour now. Oh, you on Live Nation? Yeah, he's got a show tomorrow, right? Yeah, tonight, tonight in the mall, uh, Mandalay Bay, man, House of Blues, Blues. I'm hosting, uh, TK Kirkland's, uh, Grown Folks Talking to a Man, sponsored by Live Nation, uh, 56 cities, four countries, uh, yeah. So, so your summer is over; you working? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, from October to now, October B-T weekend, uh, in Atlanta with my first comedy show, I sold out. Wow. Oh, at the Uptime Comedy Comedy Corner, uh, I've done 30 shows since then; I've sold out 28 shows, uh, I just come off doing five shows, uh, in, in, in Jacksonville, uh, in three days, uh, show in Tampa, two shows in Orlando. Now I'm here to do a show, uh, in Vegas tonight. I'll be in San Diego tomorrow. So, uh, I got the podcast; I got my own podcast, the game-related podcast, and then I got—they just sent a contract this morning, man, for me to fight, uh, Fly Soldier with the Island Boys. How much is a purse? I don't know; I'll tell y'all camera. Okay. Okay, that's a big one; that's what's up. Hey, this interview was, um, it was different. I was expecting the different, uh, just a different point of view, but now I got your, I got an understanding of you.
Let me just say this: you're not really a villain. When I came to the internet, I had been working with children for, with 10 years by way of a non-profit that I had created with formally incarcerated guys by the name of my organization called HYPED, about hype, and HYPED was an acronym for Helping Young People Excel. So I created a youth development program, youth engagement programs, anti-can, anti-gang, cognitive interventions, uh, all type of 16, 16-week curriculum for the Texas State Juvenile Justice Department. My organization was highly recommended to all 254 counties throughout the state of Texas. Wow. Um, I've done trainings for the United States Department of Homeland Security, Human Trafficking Division, or North Texas Crime Commission at Eastfield, uh, police training academy in Mesquite, Texas, uh, by way of a Special Agent Keith, Keith Owens, and that's because he met me while I was studying to become a lawyer at Texas Western University. So I was, I was a pretty law student in Texas. Most people don't even know. I don't know. So it's the first time you're saying this? No, I say it all the time, bro. Yeah, and if you Google it, homie, you just gotta get—so most of the time when you Google something, don't pick up everything on the first page, right? Go to the second page, uh, so, uh, not only that, man, uh, I mean, I've worked, uh, with a national organization called Campaign for Fair Sentencing for Youth out of Washington, D.C., and I became a part of an organization called I CAN, which is Incarcerated Children's Advocacy Network, and we worked on, on different laws and legislation in America, and ultimately we got juvenile life without parole abolished in this country in 2016. Wow. Up until then, only three countries had that law: North Korea, Sudan, and America. And so we got that abolished, homie. So we had to—I went to the Supreme, Supreme Court, uh, I've been on the front page of the American Bar Association Journal, uh, so, so I showed up to the Internet with, with all of that background and experience, and I had just dropped out of college, uh, you know, I was two semesters away from applying to law school, uh, so I showed up a frustrated Community activist, uh, who, who, who was a single father at the time as well. My baby mama had just went to jail; she had been on the run. So, uh, my life had transitioned to, wrong, wrong choices in life just got me to the point, homie, where I just said, "Man, I don't want to do wrong no more. I just wanna, I wanna do right, and I want to be right. I just want to be a good person." And so when I showed up to the Internet, that was my mindset. So the internet was ugly; I wasn't, uh, I came trying to uplift, but what I saw is too much negativity pushed in the algorithm for, uh, uh, uh, uh, a guy like Eric Thomas' message to be heard every morning, you know what I'm saying? So I actually worked in, in L.A., at Diamonddale Adolescent, a group home. So I was working with the kids that were coming out of Youth Authority, going back into the hoods, homie. I worked at nighttime to love me, and in the mornings I woke him up listening to Eric Thomas with a positive message because I brought something new to the, to the juvenile aspect in L.A. before I, before I came to the internet. But I didn't come to the internet to do that, right? I wanted to monetize; how can I get paid? Well, I'm not a struggling Community activist begging for financial health. Yeah, that doesn't pay the bills. No, no, not at all. So, and then when I realized that content creation can make you rich, I started studying how to become more effective on the internet, and that's where the shock, shocking satire, but comedy come in. So that's why you're a seal switch and me playing a villain. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I saw what worked, guys. Yeah, that makes sense. All right, guys, thanks for watching. See you next time. Peace.