Do We Live in the Matrix? (ILLUSION, The Film)

Everything that we experience that's bad, war, negative emotions, pain, disease, is all decoherence. Look at the state of our planet. That's the result. I want to take you on a journey.

[music] [music] It would need to be an amazing event of interstellar proportions where we would notice that we were very limited in the way we thought about reality.

Told you. It's everywhere. Were they using technology through sound?

From the point of view of the [music] ancient civilizations, the universe is a song. It's about frequency. It's about energy. There was a layer of consciousness that was being [music] celebrated around the world.

The aerial layout of Borobudur [music] matches up perfectly with a frequency on the Chladni plate. I'm just one cymatic code.

The image [music] of you is the projection of the information field. So, it's influencing your consciousness. There is a greater architect [music] that is driving this entire reality.

Melissa, I think you're onto something. What we might see in our reality could just be a geometric [music] imprint. Would you believe me?

I do believe her. I do believe her. Yes, yes, because I did see the movie and it was a fantastic watch and it certainly aligns with the ethos of Aeon Byte and adds new wrinkles and even corrections. But yes, welcome everybody to Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio. I hope everybody's doing well. I hope you're having a cool summer and I hope you're ready to have your mind expanded and reality disbanded. I hope after all we are not the final authority on anything but hope to be an endless possibility for everything including finding out the best version of who you are. You are the final authority and you can do so many wonders. My name is Miguel Conner and as always I am your pumpaditous of noses and that smell of paletas rising through the air of a world that's gone a little bit cuckoo. But here we are to correct it. Here we are again for you to find a path that works for you and only you so you may write your own gospel and live your own myth. And again, the trailer you just saw is from the movie Illusions which I watched and we I am very honored to be joined by its creator and that is Melissa Tittle. Melissa, thank you very much for coming on the show.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited for this.

I am too. I'm very excited to share it and share it with the audience and with us too. We've got Graham. Graham, how are you doing?

Oh, I'm doing very well. Interested in discussing the the movie with Melissa. It's very much right up my alley. It's always good comparing notes with somebody else who has climbed up that mountain or descended that pit depending on your perspective.

[laughter] Gone into that ringer. Gone into the labyrinth and come out semi-sane as you might say. So uh So awesome. Yeah, for the good to see everybody on the chat as always. If you have any questions that [clears throat] you really want answered or you just want to [ __ ] at me, please super chat them and we will get to them. If you are a member, of course we will get to them. As always, Graham is there making sure everything is kosher. Um other than that, not much uh not much housekeeping. I'll get to that later. But, Melissa, for the audience, uh tell us uh who you are and um what's going on?

[laughter] All right. Well, where do I start? Um I've I've been a filmmaker for the last 25 years. I've been covering a lot of this stuff. Um I started out in Hollywood and worked for Paramount Studios. Um such movies like Mission Impossible 2 and Star Trek and, you know, a bunch of other things. And then um I tr- I mean, I've always loved documentaries and I'm a big weirdo and um nerd. Uh so, I left the film industry proper and went to work on a a History Channel show called The Universe, where we were merging NASA for the first time with the History Channel audience. Uh so, it's the first attempt of having a smart program about, you know, things from everything gravity to supernovas and all that kind of stuff. And uh Uh so, I transitioned from there to Docu TV. And then uh after my stint with NASA, I went to um I got a call from Ancient Aliens, uh the production company that created Ancient Aliens. And they were in the creation stage of of that show. And uh I jumped on board right at the very beginning, even the pilot episode of that. And I was with there for the first five seasons, writer and producer. Uh and then I did a whole bunch of uh oh my god, so many shows for Discovery Channel and everything from aliens to paranormal stuff. Eventually finding my way uh Gaia had just formed into an actual network. They had sold off their yoga company. They brought me on to run head of content. And I did that for about five and a half years. And then I started my own company, Hathor Studios, of which I really wanted to create a production company where we were practicing the sovereignty of voices and not being locked into uh just what somebody wants us to make for certain reasons. Uh and that's where I'm at today, Hathor Studios. And this is our new film.

That's awesome. Congratulations. And have you always, as they say, eaten your own dog food, or did you come into the esoterica slowly?

Uh eating my own dog food. That's

I don't know what you're getting at.

That's such a good turn. I was like, "Oh, who thought of it that way?"

[laughter] Have you always eaten your own loosh? I don't know how we want to say that.

know. I I kind of I guess fortunately grew up in a family where we talked about all this weird stuff ever since I was little. I mean, by the time I was 10, my parents had really taught me about every single religion, so it wasn't weird, you know. By the time I got to college, I thought everybody believed this all this stuff.

[laughter] Understanding of different ways of looking at how people saw God, but apparently that wasn't the truth. Um and we had conversations about aliens. I mean, it I've always been fascinated because there wasn't any boundaries as a child as far as imagination.

Right. And then, I guess for me it it almost became like a quest to to not necessarily prove for myself, but why we were so stuck in not wanting to believe in these supernatural experiences when they were always happening to us. And you get a group of people together that are apparently not believers, and they'll tell you about, you know, Auntie blah blah blah's ghost, and you know, that one time you felt the presence of Grandma, or you You know what I mean? Or like there was a weird thing in the sky. Like this has been happening for thousands of years, and it just boggled my mind that the one thing that actually controls all of our laws and policies and the way that we communicate with each other, the way we set up communities is all stuck in the uh for the indivis you know, the invisible world. I mean, think about it. You create laws and policies cuz you're afraid. You're afraid of the future. You're afraid of your neighbor. Uh you create religion because there's only one way to communicate with the divine, right? So I guess that became a quest for me. It wasn't like I wanted to know where is all this coming from? And that drove me nuts. And I think it drove my career [laughter] and now we're here at this movie.

Yeah, it's an it's an endless path. It really is an endless path, but uh it's a yeah, it's the most interesting one you could do. And I love the fact he called it Hathor Studios. I was like, you go. That's a great name. Any reason, any inspiration or reason?

Uh yeah, I am uh for my for my job, I'd have to go I have to I've had to go to Egypt many times and uh one of my favorite temples is Dendera, which is the Temple of Hathor, the goddess, goddess of love and creation and song and dance and music and all these like really girly things.

[laughter] Um it's a beautiful temple. Have you been?

No, I have not had the uh pleasure [clears throat] of going to Egypt, no.

Oh my god, okay, you should come on my trips. Next time, you're coming.

Okay. It's a beautiful temple. It still has the paint. It's blue, it's green. It just uh it's just absolutely wonderful and feminine and um what a lot of people don't know is that one of the things with this temple is it's all about time. So, it's got the zodiac signs. It has a mysterious hidden zodiac sign, the 13th zodiac, which is is, you know, mysterious. But there was something that happened to me in this temple that I cannot explain, that I cannot necessarily put into 3D reality. And that was I was actually on a film scout with Graham Hancock and his wife, and it was July, so it was like 120°. It was miserable. Nobody was in this temple. And after we had kind of walked through the zodiac idea that we were going to film, I said, I just want to walk around by myself. So, in the temple, there's a there's a hall that you walk into, and then you keep going through and there's something called the Holy of Holies. And then around the Holy of Holies is is 13 rooms. And those rooms don't have artifacts anymore, they just have hieroglyphs on the walls. I don't know what they mean. Uh but one of them I felt compelled to go into that room and put my hands on the wall. Uh and then I put my forehead in between. And I had this profound profound experience uh that I cannot explain, which was I felt every single emotion. This is the only thing I can put into human words. Every single emotion at once coming through my body. And um it even it was it was intense. It wasn't good, it wasn't bad, it was just crazy. And I, you know, took my hands off the wall. I was like, "Oh my god." Uh the Egyptologist that we were with comes around the corner, and he says, "Where have you been?" He was very upset with me. I guess I had like missing time. I had gone They couldn't find me anywhere. Either I was there and they couldn't see me. I don't know I don't know what the deal was, but I um when I decided to start my own company, I still can't define what happened to me. I still can't define what's there, but I thought that's the kind of frequency I want in my company. Because whatever that is was everything all the time all at once coming through and

[clears throat] I I want to keep that frequency for my company. So, besides Hathor being this beautiful goddess, I think that there is something in those walls that is much more profound than this beauty on the outside of what she represents.

Well, I'm glad you heeded the call and I'm glad you did this movie. We're very excited for the future of Hathor is what you it's definitely what we need today, especially in [clears throat] these very high strange strange times where the esoteric is accepted, but it's not and the government's talking about UFOs in a way I sometimes I miss the times where they'd just call us nut bags, but now we're kind of normal, right?

[laughter] But Right. Right. Yeah, and then you know, I sorry, this is a little bit of a tangent, but it's so funny cuz of course all of us nut bags are now like cool and we're all like we told you so and it kind of leaves us in an undefined position because we've been along the trail the whole time and then you got all these new people coming in and posting all this stuff about the alien world and I don't know about you, but but it also it actually makes me a little nervous because it feels like it's um it's it's in a it's going into a controlled manner and I and I can't really see where it's going and as somebody who's been kind of on the outskirts of observing all the time it it um for us nutty people I'm kind of like

[sighs] I'm so excited we're having these conversations, but I just want to know who's controlling our consciousness.

[laughter] Yeah. Yeah, plus yeah, if it's the government, it's probably the establishment of some sort of new new world religion. The old religions don't work, so we're going to look at the aliens. Then there's the ambiguity, the more ambiguous it is, the more funding we can give the military and other places. It's It's yeah, it's kind of like the same as it ever was when they want to take control like your movie talks about take control of the narrative of these other entities that we're all trying to figure out and then be the gatekeepers and make a lot of money and control a lot of people. So, it's uh uh same as it ever was, right? But, uh I think we're faster today, right, Melissa? I mean, we got Tik Tok. We got You can make movies better, you know? We're faster, more skeptical of their uh whatever they're trying to do with us, which is always trying to control us, right?

Yeah, yeah. And you know, one of the things that um I talk about this movie uh we get to, but uh is that we have to be really vigilant these days because there's so many different kinds of people and organizations and institutions that are really trying to change our consciousness. This is the currency. It's consciousness. It's uh how much do you believe me? It's really not not about the truth anymore. You know, the truth used to be this thing we were all striving for, but there's many truths. But, which I do think is true, that there's many truths. Uh and in that, we're all kind of lost to this this sea of different people's consciousness coming over into us. So, we have to be so vigilant to think, okay, well, who am I in this? And why do I believe what I believe? And um this person's perspective, although interesting, is it something I want to take on or is it something I just want to observe? And and and I feel like um in the past, you could be like you could observe or you could disagree or not agree or you could agree or whatever it is. But, now it's a whole other game. So, yes, faster faster information, more information, but but more importantly, we have to be really on our game as being human. Who am I? What am I here to do?

Yeah, very true. And I don't want to give away the reveal, but uh you're very specific uh towards the end of the movie. You're like, look, I'm not the one with the answers. I'm not the authority I'm not going to give you a listical of commandments of how to unlock with all the research that I've found. You simply say find out what works for you. You are your own sovereign individual. Uh deprogram yourself from the voices that have been installed in your head in society. Pay attentions to the synchronicity shapes, dreams, all the magic around you and then uh see the universe in a new way. So you're very at in your movie you're very like I've given I can guide you but you have to drink the water at the end of the day. You have to be the horse that drinks the water at the end of the day, right?

Yeah, yeah. Not Kool-Aid people. Not Kool-Aid.

[laughter] No beer or soda here. No Kool-Aid. Just some water.

Some water, yeah. The living water. So yeah, it's a

[clears throat] great film and um it's let me start with uh the idea that you addressed early and that's do we live in a simulation? Do we live in a simulation, Melissa? Or I like your answer. I agree with your answer.

[laughter] Um uh well, simulation matrix, um some kind of structure. Um I think why I lean towards this answer more of this this this idea more than not is because there seems to be an order and a pattern in the universe and that's really what kind of led me on this journey of illusion is is this this number uh which I made a movie about called Code 12.

That's right. And and I I'm I'm going to make fun of myself here a little bit. Uh I love first of all I just want to tell you I'm a filmmaker first. I love making films. I love beautiful sunsets and slow mo and fast cars and motorcycles. I love all of that. And why can't we have spirituality with all that? Like why not? Why not? Why not?

[laughter] Uh but in the end of code 12, I propose that through this research about an hour and a half, that all these people I talked to, there seems to be a pattern of 12 in all of our religious and our spiritual texts. Uh and and um and in the propagation of the universe itself, and you know, the zodiacs, and all that, you know, I put it all together. I guess what's what was really alarming was that the there was always characters 12 characters within any kind of spiritual uh text, uh religious understanding of God uh or the universe, or mythology, there was always 12 characters in that story. And then in the center was a 13th character, like the prophet or the 12 apostles and Jesus, or you know, I'll keep going, you know, it doesn't matter what religion, spiritual text, there'll be a story within the context of that book or that understanding with 12 characters. So, the idea is at the end of code 12 that that there was some kind of construct that they were alluding to, and the way through it was this 13th character, this this transformation, this uh transla- And so, at the end of um code 12, I literally drive off into the sunset with my Mustang, and I'm like, "I'm going to find an answer."

[laughter] Leaving you hanging. Uh so, Illusion kind of picks up where I left off, and I explain that um there was kind of nowhere to go with that. It was like, "Okay, well, that's really great." So, um it was it was a really an anomaly because I don't really hear anybody talking about that. There's there's never anybody putting that together. So, I kept going with that, and what where I I don't again, I don't want to give away all the pieces, but I started digging up people that were doing this research, too, but that were kind of not being upfront about it, right? So, I end up interviewing a lot of quantum physicists and astrophysicists, somebody who had worked for NASA, uh a quantum physicist who worked for NASA, but also worked for other agencies as well. And they were picking up these anomalies in space, and they were actually able to calculate walls in the universe. Now, think about that.

Mhm. A structure. Uh and that structure I guess I am revealing some parts of the movie.

No, there's so much. Don't worry. Don't worry. There's so much.

[laughter] You have to watch it like 10 times.

[clears throat] Yeah, the idea with from the quantum physicists that I interviewed was this, that ever since since the moment of the Big Bang the the entire universe organized itself into 12. It doesn't matter if it's the smallest components of matter or the largest components of matter, they're all organized into 12. They're able to prove this. And this isn't something that's like made up in fringe. It's just it's actual uh science that's been proven.

Yeah. Now, we go to quantum physicists that worked with NASA and some of the other space agencies, and they started finding an anomaly in space and about 2001. In 2003 uh this person that's in my movie along with uh some other people that had worked at NASA, they published a paper where they were able to calculate those anomalies into an actual structure, a sacred geometry structure. The structure of a dodecahedron. The idea that the universe could have ex- from the Big Bang expanded and is still expanding, but in the shape of a dodecahedron. Uh and the reason they came up with this anomaly and these calculations was that the walls were actually communicating with each other in kind of a vibrational way. Which we know this. Um and this isn't spiritual woo.

[laughter] No. The universe is vibrational, and vibrational sound waves, if you want to call them sound waves, but the frequency waves are in space, and they have been since the beginning of the Big Bang. So, they were able to start to calculate how they were communicating with each other. And one of the analogies that this scientist makes is that I said, "Okay, well, all right, so we're in a dodecahedron. So, what? Like, what does that mean?"

[laughter] And and he says, "Well, think of it as we're in a large sound bowl. We're inside of a sound bowl." So, and that sound bowl the the the sound the the bowl makes a sound based on its geometry. So, you have this bowl versus this one, makes a different sound, you can feel it in your body, right? So, if we are a certain shape, and that shape is ringing, it creates certain vibrational tones and frequencies that exist within that shape. So, there's only a certain amount of set frequencies and vibrations that can happen within that shape. And and this is where it correlates with other quantum physicists saying um that from the beginning of the universe itself, everything is correlated into these 12 components.

Right. I was like, "Oh my god, so so, what does that mean?" Uh and you know, he's like, "I'm talking about things very complicated. We think of this as in sound because we're human, we're living in a 3D reality. So, we we're talking about high-end frequencies in space. We can In the documentary, I try to make analogies with sounds so that we can understand it. And sound is also in a 12 system as well. So, um I'm jumping around here cuz I like to

No, no, it it's a fascinating because you bring in scientific evidence, you bring in the mystics, and yes, there is 12, there is an order, a harmony. And of course, you can do uh you know, Fermi's paradox and the uh there's so many that shows us how what the geometric uh geometric shapes and how the universe really is sort of a a song if you would and the 12 of course is the Fibonacci Fibonacci sequence. There's so much but with you and 12 it's incredible. I mean you talk about scientists who said that we have what? 12 bosons, fermions organized in 12 and uh there is so so much evidence and it's but I'm kind of geeking out Melissa. That is fascinating too. We here we talk a lot about Gnosticism but in Gnosticism oddly enough there's something called the 13th aeon or heaven and that's either where either Sophia or the evil demiurge end up. It's this place of complete control. Depending on who's winning the battle, right? So even the Gnostics kind of honor the whole idea of the 12 and the 13 that you keep and the scientists and the mystics keep you know you know stressing over and over again until my head was like spinning. So about this number 12. It's

It's crazy. It's crazy and then

Did excuse me did you did the did it surprise you talking to the scientist that they would whip up the 12 or we

Um Yeah yeah. Well well okay so one of the things uh so we just did a premiere in Austin which was the first 200 people that were able to see the movie. And which was nerve-wracking cuz I'm like God I hope people like it.

[laughter] Um but Greg Braden and Matias and Tyler and like some of the people that were in the not all of them but some of them were able to come and one of the things that I do when I make a film is that I don't necessarily tell them what the film's about and there's enough trust there that I'm not going to I'm never going to put anybody in a position to make them say something that they don't believe. I really respect who they are and their research. And in doing so, I kind of silo them. I ask them questions. They're like, "Where is this going?" I don't want them to know where it's going because then they'll change their answers. Uh when scientists know what you're doing, they um they want to create a fail-safe that they're not going to say something wrong. So,

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

let's just talk about what you know.

Mhm. Because what you know. It's It's what you teach. Uh it's It's what you teach at Stanford. It's what you uh you wrote a paper about it in NASA. So, I just need you to talk about that. And it's it's not about getting people to say something they don't mean. It's about getting them to really say what they believe and where they come from. And um when they were talking about this correlation to 12 and all of this kind of stuff, I thought, "Oh my god, that's crazy." But it was all in my head cuz I couldn't say it out loud.

[laughter] That's crazy. Cuz I'm like, "Oh my god, that connects with so-and-so." [clears throat] And then they said it, but they're in the spiritual realm.

Right. They're channeling something. Or Or they're talking about philosophy. But over here, we're talking about fermions and bosons. Or we're talking about the the sound, you know, we're translating into sound, the sound waves of space and how they've correlated themselves into this They're in this kind of drum, cosmic drum, if you will. And that's exactly what a lot of spiritual texts say. And I yeah, my mind

It's important in music. It's essential in music. It's almost Yeah.

[clears throat] We got put in this 12-sided die and suddenly everything reflects it. And the way to know the universe is through this number 12 in different disciplines. So, it's It makes It's makes It's logical, I would say.

It's logical. And but here's Here's the thing that I love about it is that you could look at it as evil. You could say this is a structure that's trapping me. Or you could say I can understand the structure and now I have the ability to tune my instrument or uh create what I want inside of it. Uh and and that's really what we also we talk about in this documentary is Look, if if everything that's inside of the cosmic drum, if this is all true, is is just geometry patterns and you are one and everything that you see or believe or even smell like uh is a geometry pattern, then you have a choice of of what your soul is expressing within this cosmic drum. And so it could be looked at as a the matrix as a prison or it could be looked at Oh, I understand now how it works and therefore I can really understand what my soul is here to express. And you know, through my journey myself of going on this journey of, you know, researching all sorts of things. I I like the later one not because I want to just be positive and, you know, you know, woo-woo and oh, everything, you know, you can change your own destiny and all that.

[laughter] But I really do believe that that your soul came here for a purpose and you are the expression in your own version of that of the one. And so whatever that is is is so important because it's not only for you to figure out and to live happily ever after, but it's for you to contribute to the geometry expressions of this 3D reality, which is so hard to do anything in. And uh I just want to add one more thing cuz this is what gets me so This gets me so excited. Is that I hear all these people like um you know, wanting to escape, you know, like, you know, the aliens are going to come save us or some kind of god or some kind of situation is going to come save us. Um but you have to think of like, what if you were the perspective of those otherworldly beings, you know, watching us or next to us or communicating with us. They were like, "Oh my god, they're having so much fun. They have all these limitations that they have to figure out so that they can download things that they if they were in our bodies they could just do this. And and so as much as and I have to remind myself of this because I'm human and I have problems, too.

[laughter] As I remind myself of this is that um is that look at it from a different perspective. We are not weak because we have limitations. We have limitations because our soul is here to create something so divine to our expression that we must have those limitations to be able to really bring it in. Uh that's those other-worldly beings are up there going, "Man, they're like the they're like the superstars of the universe trying to translate." Although, we don't hear quite you know, we're working on our ability to understand.

[laughter] We're getting there. We're We're getting there. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I think I think whether it's a prison or we voluntarily came here to experience it's still the same thing. Our job is still just to wake up. That's our job as humans and possibilities are endless when we wake up, we become conscious and uh we all have a mission and

[clears throat] mission usually is to help others wake up, too and uh help the flow of the universe. Here's something you might like a little side note. Speaking again, I [clears throat] can see like Pythagoras and Giordano Bruno. In time, they're clapping at you, Melissa. Molto bene. Molto bene. Both were Italian, right? You know? [laughter] She's figured out what we've been trying to tell people for for thousands of years and so forth. But did you know and I wrote a book about Elvis was so steeped into the occult it's not like the best kept secret, but

Wow. Yeah, he was he was a magician and nobody's ever really figured that out, but whenever scientists found there's a black hole and they made a sound, guess what the sound is. It's the first few notes of I Can't Help Falling in Love with You. So, if you want to know who's who maybe the god above the universes, it might be Elvis, Melissa.

Oh my god. You can look it up on Google. Scientists love it.

That is so cool. Okay, I didn't know that, but I am I am mind-blown. I love that. I love that that the universe actually was like, okay, I wonder if they're going to figure it out, but I'm going to insert myself into this Elvis body, and I'm going to express the first couple tones of of the black hole.

Right. Right. Right. It's like, they didn't Nobody liked my movies. Fine, I'll do it on a black hole instead.

[laughter] There you go, you dum-dums.

Well, uh bringing in Graham. Graham, what do you think? Or do you have a question for Melissa?

Oh, I have so many questions. We're not going to get to all of them, but uh I'm [snorts] just uh

All day, come on.

[laughter] Uh I was going to sit there and say I'm reminded that uh some of those beings in the Pleroma, they got to be Letterman fans and stupid human tricks. They have to look at each other sometimes and go, you know, humans is so stupid.

[laughter] Yeah. No, I was going to say I happen to be one of those artistic people who just never fell into a lot of the materialism traps and stuff like that cuz it just never made sense to me. And uh you know, one of the things when they came up with simulation theory that I thought, you know, it's like people ask me, what do I think of it? It's like, well, anybody who knows you don't wear white after Labor Day knows that we live in a simulation. The only question is how deep that simulation goes. It's like, fashion's a simulation, but are atoms a simulation? Is math, you know, and to me that's where the rub really comes in is you got to admit that there's some simulation going on, otherwise you're not credible. But, [snorts] you know, it's a question of just what is down at the base and uh you know, that's where uh your movie reminds me a lot of Mammon's guide to the perplexed where you can lead people to the door, unlock it for them, but they got to open it and go through it themselves.

[snorts] So, you know, my basic question is one of the things that um prevented me from falling into the materialism traps as a kid was uh when I understood what the the saccades were in the eyes, where your eyes don't actually fixate on something. You think you're staring at it, but actually your eyes are flitting all over the place, you know, and you know, blinding yourself in between flits, and your mind is creating that model of the world from all of those little like instant images, sort of like pixels. When I learned that, you know, when I learned that one, the idea of uh naive materialism and such such just went out the window. And uh you know, so much of this is uh you know, echoes of Plato, you know, Plato's cave. You know, as as Whitehead said, so much is uh you know, footnotes to uh footnotes to Plato. Uh you know, I noticed you didn't go much along the uh you know, the Plato or much much of that track. You kept more of the science. I was curious what you thought of more of the mythology and ancient wisdom track as far as that goes. Tag.

Um I mean I think because I covered so much of it in um my previous movie Code 12, that I just I I mentioned the journey and and the um you know, listing as many as I could. I mean, there's so many. Uh all the analogies within uh religion and spirituality and mythology and those sets um but but I think what I really wanted to do was I I wanted um the person who's on the fence maybe hasn't gone as deep as as us on this call to to really start to think about that and be like okay well that person's pretty credible. I mean they're at Harvard and maybe I'll think about this further right? If you notice in the movie I I started off pretty heavy with science and then slowly started off with a skeptic let's let's put that into perspective

Yeah. Then went into science pretty heavy and then floated out into philosophy ancient civilizations and then at the end we're channeling and now we're making music.

[laughter] And and and you think about that um they're all relative to the same conversation they're just different perspectives of the same conversation exactly kind of the point that I'm making uh in in the whole piece and these are different versions of how humanity thinks all at once uh and they all lead to the same conclusion which is we're all in this together and and there's no getting out of that type of thing um and mythology is just a piece of that it's the storytelling you know, I think why some people really reject the simulation theory isn't because they're not aware it's because it takes away the supernatural you know, if you say everything's it really it really kind of kind of takes the magic out of being human, you know, like it just kind of like I don't want to I don't want to believe that I want to believe

This isn't Harry Potter. Yeah yeah yeah. Waving wands and things happen.

Yeah yeah I want to believe that like there's magic in the universe and I still there is magic and we are magic and our emotions are are magically destructive or abundant, right? So, I think on a human on a human level, mythology and religion and spirituality and and all the stories we tell ourselves are just as important as the mathematical calculations and and I fully respect both sides both sides of of that because it is part of our human existence. One of the things um Before you jump in, Graham. When people say to me you know what what do you think happened? You know, was it Atlantis? Was it the flood? Like there was a there was a transit there was a there was a moment that happened where all of a sudden we were connected as as ancient human beings or and then all of a sudden we weren't. And I think that at at some point some disaster happened and it a it it shifted our perspective. We don't we no longer want to believe in all of that. We don't want to believe in all the magic anymore. We want to control nature. We want to have control so this is never happen again and we will survive and this is how we're going to think and if we ever make a decision again, we are logically going to come up with some kind of scientific answer. Otherwise, we will not believe in that magic. And um but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And that's really where mythology kind of weaves itself into our really strange 3D logical experience right now.

Uh [snorts] I was going to sit there and say I've always taken the approach that anybody who doesn't think that magic that math is supernatural and magical just hasn't learned enough math because you know, there there's some some some things that they have proven in math that it's like that just can't be true. But, you know, there's the proof. And you know, in your your documentary here, what I like is that storytelling that logical progression you have. And you can see that you're trying to lead the person. And again, I use the Guide to the Perplexed. If you haven't read it, it's it's very good. And he does it Malandece does the same thing where you you lead that person through their own experience. And you lead them questioning. You're not telling them what to think, you're just opening doors and opening questions and saying, you know, what do you think? Letting them decide for themselves. Very much appreciate that approach there. Thank you. Thank

Hey. Well, thank you for for recognizing that. Uh yeah, again, I'm not a guru. I don't have all the answers. We're all pieces of the truth. And I really like to represent that in my documentaries. Drives me nuts when people are like, I know everything. And I'm like, do you? I'm scared.

[laughter] Yeah, and I also for the audience you have a wonderful section on Stonehenge and water and acoustics, which I was like, wow, this is cool. This makes sense. This is a good sort of alternative idea on Stonehenge. And then there's the other one with the Buddhist temple with the mudras. And how there's a wall with the different and these are ways to [clears throat] create electric current. So, uh It's uh yeah, it's kind of like where science It's the time when science and magic there was no separation. Like, right, Melissa? It was all one.

Yeah. These people saw the universe in a beautiful holistic way, didn't they?

Mhm. Yes, so, you know, diving into the ancient part of it that we're investigating kind of what did they know? How Did they know what we heavily were talking about in the science understanding? Uh so, if you think about um you think about our limitations. We can't see everything. But we are trying to define it in logical terms. Like me trying to define it with all of the science in the documentary.

[laughter] But if you think about ancient times, long ago, people didn't have to define it. They knew uh the angle of that stone. They knew the alignment. They knew that if they made that alignment with that star that it would create a certain frequency within the stone circle, the cave, Uh the pyramid, whatever it is. They calculated that all because they knew and we still know, but we don't trust the knowing. That is the difference. So, when we go to places like the Great Pyramid or into Tibet to this monastery that we talk about in the documentary, where we see that they are showing how to make electrical currents that actually when you make these sounds with the mudras, it creates a geometric pattern

Mhm. that they put on the walls based on the sound and the mudras at the same time, you project a geometric pattern at that moment. You're saying, "Well, how did they know that?" Well, because they used By the way, everybody on this call, you already know this.

[laughter] But, we have been trained to not know through our logical explanation of things and that's why we are so fascinated with ancient cultures because that's what we've lost. We have not lost our connection to the creator, the divine, the universe. We just choose to change our perception to pretend like we don't.

Right, and then

[clears throat] As you are right, Plato believed the universe was a 12-sided uh dodecahedron. The Romans had the dodecahedron. It's like they knew and we're sort of catching up with science in many ways. So,

Yeah. It's all there.

It's all there. It's all there. Yes, for the audience, we got Melissa Tittle on her movie Illusion, excellent film, highly recommended. The only superchat I see is from Astrid Foundation. Nothing to say, just bitching at Miguel. All right, yeah, you [ __ ] at me all you want, man. Thank you for your support. And yes, as always, please support A Young Man in this is an open podcast. Always could use your help. Have other services. I do voice over. Melissa, if you need voice over maybe for your next trip, I can be your voice over narrator. Melissa has sand on her hair. Her husband has just called her wondering what the what drawer the socks are while she's in the middle of a No, something like that, but uh

My husband does make an appearance. I

Yes, he does. He got he got on the phone call. It was pretty cool. Pretty cool. Did you Were there any times where you got in trouble or doubt during the movie? Cuz I'm sure it must be hard because you're not just doing a documentary. You're flying to all these places. You're scheduling. You're going to distant parts of the world. How did you It It just comes together or is it What's the process?

[laughter] I wish. Production is is kind of like going to war, you know? There's a lot of like we're going to be prepared as much as possible, but we need to have plan B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I.

[laughter] And and even maybe I doesn't work out. But there's um Yeah, no, nothing ever is is as planned. And maybe I like that adventure, too, you know, a little bit. The movie you know, typical production is very difficult. And getting people together and getting all the things and and all of that and trying to get away with a few things like a Stonehenge um What's not in the film is we actually did some brainwave testing on me cuz I was with Maria Wheatley. And you know, a lot of the a lot of people talk about how your brainwaves change just by being inside the circle versus outside the circle, touching a stone versus not touching a stone. And I you know, I believe that somewhere in in soul, but is that true? Now, that stuff is totally legal. They do not want you to do

[laughter] especially now. They're like watch you like a hawk and you have to pay all this money and there was this this didn't make the movie, but because it just it turned out cuz it wasn't we were trying to shoot it behind the guy's back. So, the the guard at Stonehenge um was like really on us. Like, you know, don't touch the stones, you know, you know, get you out of here. Uh and so we had somebody distract him with some other problem and then we did the brainwave thing.

[laughter] Uh and it was really it was really interesting. I mean, we had to wait for the results and then we had different people from, you know, a typical doctor who would look at at these at these waves and then we had somebody from Monroe Institute. Um there definitely was a difference between touching the stone, being inside, being outside. Uh but we know we didn't we didn't publish any

of that because it just there's so much in this documentary, anyway. It could be like its own tangent later that I'll just I'll just uh I'll just put out there.

Um, and the same thing with Rosslyn Chapel. I interviewed this this fellow called Jason Padgett and um, you know, he's a fascinating person. He, you just have to watch this documentary. He actually got in a traumatic accident where he got knocked into one of these higher states of existence and he sees everything. Like, if if he was looking at all of us right now on the screen, he would just see geometric patterns. Doesn't see people, houses, you know. When when when someone says to Jason, this person in my film, "Is there a spoon?" He says, "There is no spoon." [laughter] It's all, yeah, it's all these geometric electromagnetic patterns.

Um, >> Yeah, he was my favorite. Or if he sees sound, he actually sees the sound. He sees reality in a way we don't. >> Yeah. Yeah, so cool. But something else that didn't make the documentary, I was like, "Hey, I'm going to go to Rosslyn Chapel." And this is, and I have this idea, and he's like, "I don't know what that is." And and so, he starts. It was weird, and I'm, it was like he was tapping into this information field while I was talking. And he goes, "Oh, do they look like this?" And he starts drawing them, and I'm like, "Yeah." And he's like, "Let me put this into my system." So, he created a uh a calculating system to help him with his an- like, he can see all of this, but he wants to put it into human human terms. And we came up with them using all of the pictures from my travels, we came up with all the different angular frequencies of the that geometry, and we able, we were able to actually recreate how it was created. And if it really is universal patterns, we were, we actually have the angular frequency. Anyway, stuff that didn't make it, but um, fun stuff I'm just sharing with your people.

>> [laughter] >> That I'll release at some point. But um, but as for struggles, to be honest with you, the the the most struggle was myself, to be honest with you. I was I was kind of like the >> [sighs and gasps] >> uh, the movie took four or five months longer than it should because uh there was things that we're talking about on here that um that I'm presenting in a very visual way with with sound, that it was almost like my soul wasn't allowing me to to say it unless I embodied it.

>> Mhm. >> And I think that was the hardest because and I and I've, I realized it too late. I was like, "Oh, I'm, we're four or five months late because of me. This is my problem." >> [laughter] >> Damn it. Okay. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and did you have any supernatural or weird dreams doing the film or did those happen or are you just so focused? How is the process on the higher levels?

>> Um, it was just torturous to be honest with you. It was, it was like I was, I was trying to get somewhere and it was, you know, if you believe in guides or whatever it was, it was just like, nope. Nope. Nope, you're not going that way. And I and I'm so stubborn. I mean, I'm a producer, right? I make things happen. I was like, right. I'm going to make it happen. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. And it's like, no. And I'm like, oh, fine. And then I have to wait. I'd have to just be silent and then it would come to me and be like, oh, okay, I know how it connects. And then I would go over here. So, some, I feel like something was definitely divine divinely guiding me in the the right way to translate something very, very, very complicated. And and even one of the things that I do say is that it's not that we haven't heard about sacred geometry before or ancient cultures in touch with things that that uh that we, you know, maybe we don't understand or um, you know, some of these concepts, but the, I feel like the way that I tried to organize it was a different perspective of looking at it instead of just siloing it in into into. I mean, even like um crop circles. Think about it. They're all geometric shapes.

>> All right. >> Something is in another dimension of time space and they're trying to make their stamp here. The way they would communicate with us is through geometry. We think it's like, okay, we definitely think it's a symbol. But if we really understood it like Jason and I are working on uh calculating the exact angular frequency, we would be able to understand what they're actually saying. We just don't communicate this way and that is kind of what I'm trying to get at that if we understand this, not only will be able to communicate with ourselves and understand what we're doing here, but we'll be able to communicate with others uh in this existence.

>> Yeah, that's uh, the many things I liked about the film again. You can't say it's a movie about uh, what Penrose says, geometry came before matter. You can't say your movie's just about consciousness or uh, >> or quantum physics. It's it's everything together, but it's still the lesson is that we have access, each one of us in this world has access to, as you say, or one of your guests says, this non-verbal form of communication that the ancient shamans and the mystics and really everybody had access to and we can tap into it and [clears throat] uh, it would probably solve a lot of problems, right Melissa? Cuz we live in a time of humanity's been in such a time of tension for so long and uh, uh, disconnected from the cosmos, from the world, from our inner selves, from the spirits and all that and you offer this is here and it's not it's not woo-woo, it's not hard, it's right there. It's our natural state of being, right?

>> Yeah, yeah, and uh, and our natural state of being is is expression and um, one of the things that we do at the end is we do an experiment with sound. >> Mhm. >> Um, allowing this big concept of frequencies and space and, you know, everything to down into our little micro existence of how um, how we could coexist with in analogy through just our our vibrational expressions um, and uh, I I I if I could do anything within my lifetime here, it would be to show that there is no one way to think about your existence, the universe, how we should coexist together. It is um, there's there's something bigger out there to understand and once we understand that, how we coexist together is going to be fair, it's going to be really easy. And it's not Kumbaya, holding hands, peace, love, and happiness, and all that like, you know, about a spiritual bypassing stuff. It really is an existence that I feel like already exists in the universe um that we just can't. We're so into another theme that I bring up in here, monotheism. We really want to find one way to do things, one way to think. And then and then and then try to uh magnify our beliefs by getting other people to believe in us and then saying everything else isn't real. And then by doing that, we create fear and then that's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at as a human race. And that's just not.

Have you guys ever interviewed uh Michio Kaku, um the quantum physicist on here? >> No, I've not. >> He, he write, he wrote a book about the God particle and he talks about something that I, I think is is really valuable in this conversation. He talks about um civilizations within uh space. And he says that we are at a zero civilization. Uh, a a civilization one is able to harness the power of the sun and there's no fight over natural resources. Um, there's kind of like a, there's no there's no separation of government. Everybody has all the resources. So, it, it's more of a, a human race existing without fighting over uh natural resources. Uh, civilization two is being able to take all of that and understand how to use that power to then traverse into other planetary systems. And that's where you get like Star Trek and Star Wars and that kind of thing, right? So, we're at the zero, the zero civilization because we are still fighting over natural resources. We are still trying to magnify or define our belief systems and we're not focused on the fact that we're all here and all of that could be true all the time everywhere and that what we all need is those natural resources and our um able to feel safe and sustainable. And um, yeah, and I, I think that's a, it's a good segue into to thinking about our existence here and to stop fighting for one belief system over the other one.

>> Agreed 100%. All this silliness [clears throat] that there's something called scarcity. The universe is abundance. Plants don't fight over sunlight, do they Melissa? >> [laughter] >> No. >> They don't go to war over sunlight. >> No, that would be hilarious though. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, that would be something else, something else. Uh, so uh, yeah, I, I highly recommend uh people watch the movie. I have uh the website on the show notes uh plus your website, too. Uh, where can people see the movie right now or in the future?

>> So, we just did a premiere. Um, so, we're allowing everybody to watch the movie for free for free launch weekend July 24th-26th. Uh, if you go to the website, especially Miguel's link that he's put in there uh and www.heatherstudios.com. And you just sign up there. Make sure your email is valid cuz if it isn't, you will not be getting the link to the movie. All of you fake email people out there. >> [laughter] >> Um, but then afterwards, it'll be for sale. So, we are offering a free watch weekend July 24th-26th uh for the community. Uh, after the movie launches, uh, we'll be offering if anybody's interested in the themes of the movie, we'll be offering uh webinars and certain, you know, different teachers and people talking about how to really understand your own geometry and expression in the world. And depending on what you're into, I mean, I got I got the crop circle girls, the people that have been like researching that stuff all the way to um really deep teachers of spiritual practices and all sorts of things. So, we got lots of stuff.

>> Awesome. Awesome. Well, check it out. I, I definitely enjoyed it and uh I watched it in one sitting and it was uh it was it was a good stuff. Good stuff. Straight up my alley. Straight up my alley and I think straight up the kind of alley humanity needs to go. It has to go through. What do you have any ideas what you're working on next or you still recovering?

>> Um [snorts] >> Yeah. >> Right. Um, well, I think what I'm really focused on right now is um doing uh kind of expanding this into actual actual events. So, more not only just the webinar type stuff, but but community events. I love doing, I love getting humans together. I think that uh what really helps us on our journey is not only being able to absorb information, but also to be together and discuss all that weird information uh and and feeling, you know, we're on a journey together. So, that's kind of like what my next thing is uh that I'm I'm building. We have tons of Egypt tours. We have a British Isles tour. We're going to do a couple other things, but other just just community events in general. Like basically, this is what I'm planning, which is is a super grassroots. I'm just going to come to a town and I'm going to say, "Hey, we got a bunch of researchers here. Would you like to come out, have a cocktail, a mocktail? Uh, let's all talk about some weird stuff." I just, I just feel like we need that. And uh that's kind of, I don't know. That's kind of my next thing until until the inspiration strikes me and I'm off.

>> Until the muse, the the spirits decide they have an assignment for you and you can't say no to them. >> Yes, exactly. Exact. Yes, exactly. Like Zeus strikes me and he says, "Next." I'm like, "Okay." >> [laughter] >> Yeah, yeah. But, you have obviously Hathor, so uh you're in good hands. You're in good hands. >> Right. Right. I'm in the Hathor um and I don't know if you know this. I think somebody on your uh some of the chats said this. So, Hathor, when she gets angry, is is turns into another goddess called Sekhmet, who's is a cat goddess who's >> Yeah, yeah. >> And um and it's so funny because everybody always thinks they're separate. I'm like, "No, no, no." No, Hathor's when she's nice. Sekhmet's when she's she's going to get some stuff done. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. She almost destroyed the world and Ra had to give her beer to calm down, but she >> Yeah, red beer. She thought it was blood. I know. But, she turned into Hathor. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> [laughter] >> You always know she's back there. She's back there. >> Just needed a drink after work just to unwind and I'll be fine, so. >> Yeah, I always joke that uh Sekhmet is bloody Hathor. Yep. >> [laughter] >> Oh my god. Oh, oh my god. What was that one game we used to play? Uh Bloody Mary. Like, when you twirl around a bunch of times and you look in the mirror. Yeah. It's Sekhmet. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. Yeah, very true. Awesome. Well, any last questions from you, Graham, before we wrap it up?

>> Oh, I was going to say not really so much last questions. I was going to dangle uh her an idea that uh has always been very fruitful for exploring myself that might be a next step for her and that's the idea that the I that there are no universal laws is a universal law. The whole self-reference and, you know, self-denying sort of concept. That's, you know, I found that that helps create that ouroboros on which everything is uh it rests on. And uh just offering you that one as a as a place that you might want to look into next if you're unsure where you might want to explore. Tag.

>> I wonder if I could make that into a political documentary. What do you think? There are no laws. What are you going to do with that one? What if I asked every politician that? That would be kind of a cool documentary. >> [laughter] >> If there are no laws, what are you fighting for? Enter. >> [laughter] >> Well, you could always quote the great assassin Hassan Sabbah who said, "Nothing is true. Everything's permitted." I'm doing a presentation on the assassins Sabbah. >> Love it. Love, love, love. >> [laughter] >> Well, awesome. Well, Graham, appreciate you keeping us company, as always.

>> Always my pleasure. And I'll be looking forward to the free you know, the free viewing that I'll get from Melissa because you know, I when I was watching it to do this one, I watched it at one and a half speed. So, it'll be interesting to hear everybody when they go sound like chipmunks. >> [laughter] >> Oh my god, how'd you do that? >> Yeah, I don't know how people do that with podcasts. And but but a lot of people do that, friend. I can't do it. I can't do it. >> Oh, I can't do that, either. Wow. Okay, well, Graham, you're going to have to watch it in in regular 3D boring speed, and I can't wait to hear your thoughts. >> Oh, I look forward to it. Absolutely. No, I'm going to savor it. Thank you. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, well, Melissa, we really enjoyed our conversation. Glad you're doing what you're doing. Good luck with the studios, Zaya. And thank you very much for bringing this film out of the ether, out of the Akashic records. And uh it should do the impact and change the souls it needs to change. That's my prediction.

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