FOH Live: BLL Chemist Mike Farber- Round 2

What's going on, ladies and gentlemen, wherever you might be around the world. I am coming to you live from Playa del Carmen, Mexico, and I'm joined by my good friend and biolvities mysterious chemist from all across the world, who happens to be in the United States right now, Mike Farber. Mike, what's going on, my bro? How you doing?

Hey man, I'm doing well. You're looking good, Dave.

I am looking good because of Mike. I'm the biggest and leanest and most muscular that I've ever been. Uh, I weigh about 200. I'm really lean, actually. I weigh about 219 pounds. I weighed myself actually today at my Airbnb here in Playa del Carmen. And, uh, it's crazy. Mike, I want to talk about that. We got a lot of questions I want to get to tonight. I think we'll probably just start, uh, with the idea that a lot of people who are using this, which are now many, and as you know, I'm getting testimonial letters and messages on a daily basis, actually more probably now from women than men, which is mind-blowing. But you actually predicted that. You said that this was going to affect women better than men. But I think what I want you to talk about, which I don't think we spent a good time on on the last show, which was really epic, was the idea that a lot of people, especially guys, they're expecting to do, you know, seven to eight to nine to ten pounds of muscle in, say, 12, 16, 14, whatever weeks doing this. But what's actually happening, Mike, and you, you talked about this, but we didn't talk about this on the last show, is that they're losing fat and building muscle at the same time.

So, you're not seeing like a net muscle gain because it's not linear, right? Because you're actually losing fat and gaining muscle. So, you might only have a net three, four, five, six pounds, maybe even less. Could be three or four, but you might lose like seven to eight pounds of fat. So, it's like you have to really look at this from a longitudinal standpoint, and that it's not going to be like, "I gained 8 to 12 pounds of muscle," right? Some people might, but some people, if not most people, and I would consider myself in this. I know Matt Chrisman considers himself in this, but we've lost fat and gained muscle at the same time. So, it's really not showing like a net positive gain. It's more showing like, "I gained five pounds of muscle, but I lost three pounds of fat," or "I lost six pounds of fat and gained four pounds of muscle." So, I think what's actually happening is it's even more impressive because I don't think a lot of people expected the fat loss would be so good with this. But could you talk a little bit about that?

Yeah. Well, we know from a lot of research that's been done over the last 20 years that myostatin inhibition triggers very extensive fat loss across the body. So what happens is, like you're saying, the leaner you are, the more muscle gain you're going to see. If you're at 12, 13% body fat, you're going to lose four or 5% body fat, and you're going to gain the muscle. So, as you say, you might not see that net gain, but in terms of looking at yourself in the mirror, you're going to notice a tremendous difference, like you've noticed. You're stronger, you're leaner, the muscles show, and you have more endurance. So you're getting hyperplasia, you're getting hypertrophy, and you're losing the fat. And what you mentioned was that women are seeing some tremendous effects because they're losing the fat that's not only abdominal, but they're losing the fat that's interstitial around the muscles. So what happens is now they're getting that definition that's so hard to get when you're just training, but you're not really eating into the fat with your exercise routine. So, in terms of the ability to burn fat while gaining muscle, I think FLGR242 is probably one of the best things that you could be using out there.

As a single component.

So, I agree 100%. And I, and I, and and again, guys and gals, if you're watching this tonight, Mike's going to answer questions. So, let me get through some of the comments or or some of the topics and insights I want to get from him first, and then I promise we'll answer your questions. Um, as I was telling you off air, and as I've been telling you over time, um, and again, personally, I've been on Follistatin now since the beginning of October. I went 12 weeks with 2.5 milligrams a week. And now this is my third week, or will be my third week, uh, starting Tuesday, uh, five milligrams a week. And I think a lot of people have been asking me this. My inside circle knows that I'm dosing at 2.5 on Tuesday and 2.5 on Friday. And then I start over 2.5 next Tuesday, 2.5 on next Friday. But I've gotten bigger in areas that I always struggled to put muscle on, right? So back to what you were saying, like androgen receptor sensitivity. We all have different sensitivities of our androgen receptors. Followed by flooding the cells with myokines, obviously inhibiting obviously all the governors that are preventing muscle, uh, growth. See, like you can see like I now have cleavage all the way from here all the way down here, whereas before I, I really struggled to get cleavage like up here in this clavicle neck region. I'm also putting on a lot of muscle in my like mid, uh, how would I say it? Like, um, my mid-thoracic, but also kind of rear rhomboids. Like I always struggled to get thick, really thicker in my rhomboids, and I've gotten a lot thicker there. So Mike, what I'm hypothesizing or speculating is that because myostatin is doing the things that you just talked about previously, it is actually targeting stubborn or weak areas on your musculature that previously were slow to adapt or slow to grow. And so now those areas, because the governors are removed, right, are actually, uh, more responsive to growing muscle. So, like you said, if you're leaner and muscular already and you have a long, you know, history of training, let's say you've been training for 10, 15, 20 plus years, you're going to see muscle growth in areas that you never ever could grow it. So, it's almost like the ultimate stubborn body part accentuator. Do, do you kind of agree that that's what's happening?

I do agree. And there's a, a reason for that. We're all built genetically slightly different. Some of us will develop better traps. Some of us will develop better biceps. What FLGR242 does is, as you say, by eliminating the break, eliminating that regulator of muscle growth over your whole body, what you're able to do now is achieve things that you couldn't achieve because of your genetic makeup previously. It's overcoming some of that break that you're genetically has genetically been built in to your makeup. Here, we're overriding that break and allowing those weaker muscles to sort of catch up because the brake is not being applied, and that's genetics. So we're basically, the whole idea of of conceiving FLGR242 was to basically overcome the genetic, how can we say, inequality between top athletes and, and the rest of us who just don't grow as easily as they do. So this was designed with that in mind. You're right. It's actually the ultimate genetic equalizer, right? It really is.

Uh, so we talked about this on the last call, so I don't want to go too deep on this, but let's just talk a little bit again for people that are new or, you know, just watching this for the first time. And obviously, I will link to the first podcast in this one, so you guys can watch the first one before you watch this one. But what would you recommend for starting doses? We are going to get to Clothto on this call too. But for starting doses again, and I'm just going to repeat what you've told me, and obviously, by the way, Monica started last week, but for most women, it's basically going to be one half of the guy's dose. Correct. So you're looking at like five milligrams, uh, to 2.5 milligrams every two weeks. Really 2.5 milligrams every two weeks for for most guys. We're looking at basically like 1.25. So half of that dose per week over the course of a month. So basically, most women can do one vial for an entire month. Correct.

Yeah.

I'll give you an example. My fiance, who's around 5'9,

Yep.

and and already in good shape, found that using one milligram every two weeks allowed her to to basically get rid of areas of stubborn fat and get that lean muscle look that she'd never really been able to attain just with, you know, a training schedule. She was training every second day, an hour, doing the cardio, doing the weights, doing everything, still could not get that definition. Within a month of going on, you know, one milligram every, uh, two weeks, huge difference. Just amazing difference.

Yeah. And, and, and by the way, that's what Slim Assist essentially is. And we'll get to that in a second, too. But so, yeah, so basically one milligram to 1.25 milligrams a week is going to make a dramatic difference in a woman. And I want to read, as you know, I sent this to you earlier today. And, and by the way, guys and gals watching this, I'm getting testimonials like this up to five times a day right now. And as Mike knows, and many of you know, we only have a very small sample size still of people who are using it. There's probably a couple of thousand people in the world that are using it. But as you know, Mike, really nobody longer than a month other than the small, you know, beta beta group. But this is what this woman wrote me today. I'm going to read this to you guys. She said, "Jay, I started with the lowest dose possible due to funds, and let me tell you, I am gaining muscle weight. I am fully optimized, weight training pretty heavily, eat lots of protein, good food, not crap, sleep, etc. I'm pretty much the most boring person, you know, and I am extremely focused on this and have been for a couple of years. I'm also using TB500 and BPC blend, and I recently started it. The weight gain is almost scary for me. I have actually gained four pounds in the first three weeks of being on this. I am still very lean, and my diet calories are the same. Call it a lean bulk managed by my trainer. This week was by far the most gain, and is only my third week. Jay, I am telling you this is a lifesaver for me if it continues to help me build the muscle my body destroyed. My blood test, which I do monthly this past week, was in per was perfect and stable, and my hormones are perfect. I will keep you updated. Thanks again. This is a lifesaving lifesaver. Maybe your chemist can work on something to reboot my immune system so I can get off my meds." So anyway, this woman, um, I'm not going to go any deeper, but she was, she had, um, I'm sure it was due to the COVID vaccine, but she had a massive autoimmune reaction or attack or whatever, and so she's lost all this muscle. She actually used to be, uh, a competitive, uh, female figure competitor. She's older now. Uh, but I mean, there you go. So it, it works. It works tremendously well. I'll just add that again for guys, again, for Johnny come lately. Start at the lowest dose, right? Start low, go slow. Do 2.5 milligrams a week, which is basically going to be two vials a month, right? So, or it's essentially, Mike, as you know, if you want to just not inject, you could inject once every two weeks, right? So, inject an entire vial every two weeks, and that's going to give you five milligrams, or excuse me, 10 milligrams. But, it's really up to you. Uh, I'm now using five milligrams a week, which is one whole vial per week. It really comes down to obviously economics and then also not whether you can get it. And before any of you guys ask, no, it is not available for sale right now. We have a massive wait list. Mike knows when we will have it. Mike, I, I know I'm putting a gun to your head and making you, making you predict, but do you think that we will be selling this again before the end of February?

Uh, we'll be selling it again before the end of January.

We're right now pushing to get the the final parts of the assembly together so that we can start running more. We know that there's tremendous demand. We know that the demand is only going to increase because of the aspects of what we're doing. You're getting a strong but healthier body. I mean, this is really the whole point of view of what we tried to create. The whole goal was to create something that allows you to get stronger and healthier. We're not trading off health for size. We're not trading off health for strength. This really is the ultimate project in terms of creating a stronger, healthier, longer-lasting body. So I think that the, we all know that demand will go through the roof. We're just trying to make sure that we can do it properly, that everything is done in a way that maintains the integrity of the product, maintains the level of purity and the level of safety that we want to make sure everybody understands that this is our major goal. First is safety, then efficacy. And that's the way that we do it. And that's why basically only Bio Longevity Labs is distributing this product. If you don't see Bio Longevity Labs on the label, it's not the product. Don't buy.

So, let's talk about that. That, you know, that's the first biggest question. Uh, Jay, please have Mike and you address the fake versions of FLGR242. There are many suppliers that are now promoting it. They are selling it with huge sales. Um, obviously I've sent this to you. You can talk about what you do to people that are doing this. You guys that are selling this fake products are in real trouble. Uh, we don't play around with this kind of stuff. Mike will come after you. We will prosecute you. We will take you down. All I will tell you, and I'll let Mike talk about this, but I will tell a lot of you, do not buy any of these products. Not only are they fake, the majority of the websites that are taking your money are literally, uh, pay-to-play scams, and you will receive no product, and your money will be taken from you, and you will get nothing. So, Mike, go ahead and comment on what you do to people that do this kind of stuff.

Okay, so there are two levels of infringement here. As everybody knows, this is a patented product. The pat, the patent is there. We've put out, you know, what the patent is. But the probability that these products are legitimately using our novel albumin binder are zero. It takes almost a year to develop the master cell line to be able to start producing this type of product. This type of product only entered the market on Black Friday. So, anybody who bought it and then tries to retroengineer it, it's going to take them a year, if they're lucky, to get this into the market where it's, where it's that type of product that really imitates what we're doing. And of course, they'll be sued for patent infringement. But besides that, what they're doing is they're selling you something like a Follistatin copy or or something else that will not achieve the type of results that we're able to achieve with FLGR242. This has been designed and patented specifically to give you the results that Jay and the other people that have writing in have been talking about. So if you think that you're going to save money, you're not saving money. You're worse. You're risking your health because you don't know what you're injecting. But I can tell you 100% for sure, it's not FLGR242.

Yeah. Exactly. Uh, and of course, they're selling higher dose versions for a hundred bucks a vial. You guys, listen, we're not going to get into our cost, but I can tell you for a fact that it costs a lot more money than $100 a vial to manufacture for Mike. And that's why we're still giving it to you guys for really the lowest price that in the history of performance enhancement, research chemicals, whatever you want to talk about. And the same thing goes for Clothto. Obviously, when we have sales of this product, you can get it for up to 40 to 45% off, uh, if you buy a year's supply, even greater. But, I mean, we're not talking about a lot of money. And again, uh, I would say, Mike, in a, you know, dollars per gains or dollars per, uh, you know, how would I say it? Like success. There's never been anything like this. I mean, you guys, look, if you don't believe me and Mike, because obviously Mike makes it and I sell it, go listen to Brian. Go listen to the, you know, the Gorilla Chemist. I mean, listen to what he's talked about on his Instagram feed. Listen to Matt Chrisman. Shout out to both Matt and Brian. They're, I think, watching this right now. Matt's on this answering call, answering questions. Thank you, Matt. But I mean, these guys have seen dramatic changes based on testing, based on DEXA. Uh, Matt has put pics of himself up before and after. I actually sent a picture of Matt two days ago of what he looked like in the, uh, Peptide Society documentary that was shot in September to what he looks like now. And he looks like a different person. Like his neck is like one and one and a half inches bigger on each side, and he's still as lean as he was. That's the other thing too. It's like people can see that in my neck. My neck has gotten bigger. Uh, and again, Mike, I want you to address this because people are constantly asking this, no matter how much we tell them, they're like, "Oh, yeah, Follistatin, what a scam. You're going to enlarge your heart, enlarge your prostate, you know, you're going to enlarge all these internal organs and you're going to die." Can you talk about why that is impossible with this drug? First of all, Follistatin targets skeletal muscle, right?

It will have, it will have a positive effect on cardiac muscle to some extent. It will increase injection volume to a very small extent, but it will reinforce the strength of the cardiac muscle. Well, it's never been shown to enlarge the heart to the degree that it makes it unsafe. So the, the effect on the body, on the metabolism, on the organs as you increase skeletal muscle is to reduce stress on these organs. You have better blood flow, you have better, uh, metabolic function. So anybody saying that it's going to affect any type of internal organ is impossible. It's directly geared towards overcoming the breaks that genetically apply to the growth of your skeletal muscle. And that's where myostatin is being secreted. Myostatin is being secreted in the skeletal muscle, and we've developed a very high penetrating blocker, a myostatin blocker, Follistatin derived blocker, to get into the muscle and deal with it, to bind it, and to basically overcome its its tendency to block muscle growth. So it's very simple. It's not going to negatively affect your heart. It's not going to negatively affect your organs. As a matter of fact, animal studies have shown that by blocking myostatin, you increase lifespan about 15%. So if you were increasing lifespan, it's not that you're going to cause people to have a heart attack or the animals to have some type of organ or cardiac failure. It's the exact opposite. So this is not only a tool to increase strength and muscle and to increase and to basically reshape your metabolic function, it's also a way of increasing health span and to an extent lifespan because of that. So people saying otherwise just don't know the the science behind it.

Um, okay, so a lot of good questions are coming in. Before I get to the questions, Mike, I do want to talk a little bit about Clothto, you know, before we make this a, a Follistatin love fest. Um, obviously you and I have been on Clothto pretty long time now. I think you've been on it for close to a year. Correct.

Yeah.

How long you been on it?

A year. Six months. Yeah.

So, I've been on it six months. You tested it for five, five and a half before you came to us.

Um, I'm getting comments from people who are texting me and also people in the in the gallery, the peanut gallery right now saying, "Jay, you look a lot younger." Right. So, yes, I look younger, I think, in my face and my skin. Again, I tell people I don't use anything on my face. I don't use GHK-CU. I don't use stem cells. I don't do anything. I'm aging gracefully. I'm aging the way I want to age. But my physiology is getting younger. I'm getting more muscular. I'm getting leaner. Um, I feel amazing. Like I told you, Mike, I saw a guy today here in Playa del Carmen who hasn't seen me till 2023. And he was like, "Dude, what in the hell are you doing? You look amazing. Your skin is radiant." So, obviously, Clothto has a lot to do with this. For the people that don't know what Clothto is, I do want, we have a bunch of questions about it, but I want you to just kind of set it up because again, we didn't talk about it last time. What is Clothto? Uh, why does a person who's aging want to use Clothto? And then we'll get into kind of the nuts and bolts of why Clothto and Follistatin is the ultimate stack.

Okay. So, Clothto is a naturally produced protein. It has over 4,400 publications now that have been done on Clothto. It's an extremely well-researched molecule, and every research article that's out there, the abstracts, the articles all point to a number of things. If you're low in Clothto, you have poor skin, you have poor renal health, you have poor cardiac health, you have a higher chance of of stroke, of Alzheimer's disease, of cancer, of of, um, cardiovascular problems, of dementia. So Clothto is basically the foundation of youthful aging. If your body maintains the proper level of Clothto, it affects almost every organ in your body. Kidney, liver, brain, heart, all of these things. And of course, skin, because skin is one of the largest organs that your body possesses. So every organ in your body is affected by the circulating levels of Clothto that you maintain. And this has been show, listen, at 75, you know my travel schedule. My travel schedule is basically insane. I

I flew into Newark on the 14th at like 5:00. Had supper with my daughter. So, you know, one of the loves of my life. And then I got up at 4:00 in the morning to drive to Cleveland to keep a promise that I'd made to you. So I was 10 hours on the road to Cleveland because of the crazy winter weather and the whiteouts and the [ __ ]. And then the next day I drove back. So basically I was on the road for like 40 hours. And today I've recovered. I slept a bit, feel fine. I honestly, to be honest and to be 100% truthful, I do not think I would be in the shape that I'm in. I would not, don't think I would be as healthy as I am without taking the Clothto that I do on a religiously regular schedule. I take it now every 13 days. I found that 14 days was a bit too long as I got older. So I take it every 13 days, and I find that without it, I just don't feel healthy. With it, I feel 100% like I could basically lift the world on my shoulders. So, a firm believer. Faster. Your brain is definitely faster. Obviously, you have the energy and the stamina, and obviously all the other things. I mean, you guys, Mike is almost 75, and his fiance is how old again?

36 this year.

Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. But very truthfully, I've been very open about this, very explicit about this. Monica and I have been on this since Mike gave it to me at the end of August. Uh, our sex life, we've been together now, this is our, we've been together since 2012. So this is our 14th year together, and our sex life has never been better. It's the best it's ever been. Uh, again, endothelial sensitivity at the tissues is phenomenal. So, you have better erectile strength, you have better sensitivity. Uh, Monica has better vaginal moistness or wetness. She's her orgasms are more powerful. Uh, I definitely have a better erection. I mean, Mike, the other thing about this, and we never talked about this, but this this produces, you know, nocturnal erections like, you know, between the 4 and 6 AM time. It's like, holy [ __ ] Like, you roll over and you feel like you have an oak tree between your legs. And it's like that almost every single night. Like it's crazy because like now I've, you know, and by the way, I haven't told you this, and I don't know if this is true, but my guess is it is, my prostate is getting better. Like I feel like the atrophy or, I'm sorry, the hypertrophy, you know, BPH of getting older is actually atrophying a little bit because I'm not, my pee is more freeing. Like I'm, I'm I feel like I have less restriction when I go to the bathroom. But that's usually what wakes me up now is I get this insane erection between 4:00 and 6:00 in the morning, and I'm like, [ __ ] I got to go. I roll over and I'm like, geez, I got to go take a piss,

right? So like there's so many things that Clothto is doing that are positive.

One of those things that Clothto is noted for is its positive effect on endothelial function, release of nitric oxide. So if you look and you research nitric oxide, you know, one of the things that Viagra does as a phosphodiesterase inhibitor is increase the levels of nitric oxide that are retained in your penile tissue or in the vaginal tissue. So of course it's going to have that effect. But what you're saying is very interesting. This effect on the on, uh, prostate. I found that since I, and my, both my, my living brothers have had prostate surgery now, you know, before they were, you know, around in their 70s. Um, I thought I was going to have to have the same thing, but since I've been on Clothto, what you mentioned about being able to go to the bathroom freely, you're not sitting there and sort of waiting is like, "Oh my god, I got to pee." Like, when, when the hell is this going to start? Like, you go to the bathroom and it's like you're 25 years old again. You're just like peeing like a horse, and you're saying, "Wow, this."

And for somebody like me, I don't know if most of the viewers know, but I lost my right kidney when I was in my teens. So to be the ability to be able to put out a good flow of urine like at like practically every couple of hours is so unnatural for me. And it's, and honestly, it feels so great. Your body. It, it's hard to describe once you've been sick to people who've never been sick, how it feels to be healthy, how it feels to so that your body just naturally does the things it's been designed to do without having to force it to do it. So, I take no medication. No medication. The only thing I'm taking is the Clothto and the FLGR242 for my health, and of course the TRT once a week for my hormonal levels. At 75, you know, your hormones do start to diminish slightly. So, aside from that, I take nothing, and I feel honestly so amazingly healthy since I started on these things. I know most people, you know, they're going to have to try it to believe it because most people are skeptical. Even some people that we know were very skeptical of really, you know, how can somebody come along after 20 years and design a Clothto that works better than than what thousands of scientists have tried to develop over the last two decades or the Follistatin? Why does ours work better than let's say the monoclonal antibodies that have been the focus of pharmaceutical pursuit for the last decade or so? It's just that we've designed it what I believe properly, and the proof is simple. Everybody who's using it, which are now probably in the thousands, have, you know, we've started to see the feedback, which is nothing but positive.

Um, just hypothetical, um, why are they going down the wrong trail and, and you did not?

So, there's a lot of research out there. I'm just the type of person that before I start on a project, I read what everybody has done. I read six, seven months before I even start the project. So I know what other people have designed, what the problems they encountered were, and where I think my ability to do something better than other people have. So I've built on the backs of, let's say, Dr. Mark Dennis for the albumin binder. I built on the backs of Shy, Teada, Jenn for work on the Follistatin. The problem with my, with myostatin inhibitors that are based on monoclonal antibodies is that you have a very large construct that has problems penetrating the very, very dense interstitial tissues of the muscle, and therefore, even though the monoclonal antibody does bind myostatin, it has to get into the muscle, and it penetrates it much less effectively than what we've designed. So we have a smaller molecule, one-third to one-fourth of that size, and it penetrates into the muscle and binds with the myostatin and therefore blocks it effectively. Again, we've been able to approximate the levels of the FLGR242 very accurately what it would take to block the myostatin in the body. Some people, because of the way monoclonal antibodies have to be dosed, like IV, it's very difficult to sit there for an hour, two hours, and to dose, and then to come back every month. We've designed FLGR242 to be effective as a subcutaneous that you can take once every two weeks or once a week and see the results, dramatic results within, you know, eight weeks of following the regime. You have to combine it with exercise. You're not going to sit around and see the results. But if you're exercising and you're not 100% satisfied with the results that you've been seeing after years of devoting yourself to the gym, then this is something that you should explore because the results on myself after taking it, the results on everybody that we have, and your beta group have been nothing but phenomenal. And at 75, to maintain, you know, a lean physique and to be able to work out, and I work out sporadically because of traveling so extensively the last four months, it's been nothing but game-changing for me.

Mike has a neck bigger than most people's necks. He's a beast. But, um, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna just ask you some questions. I think I want to get back to real quick, though, what you just said about training and eating, and as you know, um, I, I think he's okay with me saying this. So Sal, the leader of Sal, S D SNO, the leader of the Mind Pump guys, shout out to the Mind Pump group, who's, you know, the most influential probably podcast in all fitness. Um, he did one month because he had two vials of 2.5 milligrams because he wanted to buy a bunch of it, and of course, we sold out, you know, it was too late, but he sent me pictures, which I sent to you, and I mean, the guy was eating, I mean, he's got an elite physique, obviously, but he was eating [ __ ] over the holidays, right? Like not regimented, not his normal diet, just eating holiday parties, cakes, snacks, cookies, whatever, holiday, and he was said, "I've never seen anything like this. He's like, I got leaner on just two vials in one whole month, right?" So again, 2.5 milligrams a week. He wants more. He's like begging me to send him more. I'm like, "Bro, I got to send you my personal stash, but I'm in Mexico right now, so when I get home, I promise I'll send it to you." Um, I think it's important, Mike, that we do talk about what you just said, just for a second, that it's not a magic bullet, and you can't just take it and not lift and not eat and not do all the things like you said, hormonal optimization, growth hormone agonists, peptides, or even growth hormone agonist itself, Thymosin Beta, you know, all these things to help, uh, with the myokine accrual to build muscle, to build, you know, lean tissue. I, I think there's still too many people out there, and obviously not the people watching this, or not the people that buy from Bio Longevity Labs, but a lot of people think it's just going to be some sort of a magic bullet. And I think, how, I do want to say this is because I don't want to confuse people. I do think that Slim Assist, and you could talk about this, I think Slim Assist will be a magic bullet for people on GLP peptides who lose muscle without doing all the things, because as you and I both know, it will definitely prevent a lot of the catabolism that they experience. But you're not going to gain muscle or build an amazingly impressive physique above and beyond what you already have if you don't do all the things which we just mentioned. But you want to talk a little bit about Slim Assist? I kind of set you up for it.

Okay. So, Slim Assist is basically designed for for women who want to maintain, you know, want to use GLP-1s, want to achieve a slimmer body, but do not want to lose the muscle and therefore distort their metabolic function as they go forward. I mean, you don't want to be slim fat. What you want to be is you want to help your body lose the fat while maintaining the metabolic effects of being of having lean muscle. It's much healthier that way. So, if you're exercising and you're adding GLP-1 to your regime to to lose body fat, the whole idea is to be able to add Slim Assist, which is FGO242 plus the B complex, to assist your body to help burn the extra fat but maintain the muscle as you're doing it. So, this is the whole idea behind Slim Assist. And as you said, Jay, there is no magic bullet. These are products that are designed for people that have worked out for years and have reached, uh, a plateau, have reached a wall where they know that they've reached their genetic limits. What we're helping people to do is overcome basically the limitations that genetics of a normal person like myself and other people have. And you can't achieve that level of leanness and muscle growth that you see other people around you achieving much easier. So at 70, at any age, this should be part of somebody's regime who really wants to attain a level of leanness and a level of muscular growth. But as you say, you know, as you get older, you need to add the other components. You need to add the GH, you need to add the Thymosin, you need to add things which boost your immune system, stabilize, you know, your, your growth hormone levels. All of these things are necessary part of a complete program that not only goes to being health strong, but also healthy. So, this is what we're designing is components that lead to better health and overall strength, but you need to do the work. And the work honestly isn't that hard. My fiance works out every second day. I try and work out when I'm home every day. But as your body gets stronger, your body will enjoy the effort. It won't be effort. It will be something that your body enjoys doing. And this is the mindset that we're hoping people adopt. As you take these products, these molecules that help your body achieve these things in an easier way, you should look at it not as something that you don't like doing. You should look at it as something that makes life easier to achieve the goals that all of us should be striving for, which is a strong, healthy body as the very basis of how we go through life.

Yeah. Exactly. And, you know, it's funny you said that because I'm speaking on the main stage at Dave Asprey's convention in May, and they sent me their markup stuff today of like, I, you know, I have till February 6th to tell them what my presentation's about, and I'm like, "What am I going to talk about?" I have so many presentations, and I'm like, "You know what? I'm literally going to give them," because I think I have 15 minutes on the main stage with him. It's like a fireside chat. I'm going to give him the ultimate, call it life-extending, live leaner, longer stack, right? For every person of any age today that we know of, and I'm going to go down obviously the Follistatin, Clothto, testosterone, Thymosin Beta, growth hormone, you know, all the different things that we know, mitochondrial optimizing peptides, um, to get on that path. And so I'm really grateful obviously that you have given us these products. We haven't even talked about, uh, Clepto, or I'm sorry, Lepto. Uh, it's Leptogr, correct?

Leptogr.

Leptogr, which we can talk about in a second, but, um, it's amazing, Mike, that we're in an age right now where there are all these amazing products. I think a lot of you guys are watching right now. Mike knows, uh, I have a book coming out called Metabolic Awakening, which is right now 711 pages, which is too many pages, uh, but it's absolutely profound. It has every single scientific study ever done that is of relevance around GLPs, why there are these amazing tools again, when used in the context of doing all the things that we've talked about on this podcast, but it really is amazing that we, we now have all these products. Mike, that without question, I mean, literally indisputably, if you do all the things and you take these products, you will live longer, leaner, and stronger, without question. It's not debatable.

It's, you know, other than getting hit by a train or a car or falling, you know, plane crashing, you're going to live longer, and you're going to live leaner, and you're going to live stronger, or looks be stronger, and obviously you're going to look look younger because all these things are regressing our biological age. They're helping so many different, uh, cellular functions, organ functions that, like, we're just in this golden age. And I'm really, you know, super excited because obviously there's people like you, there's people like me, there's other people that are out there, you know, positioning these to the public in ways that people can afford now, because I think, you know, this, the pharmaceutical industry doesn't want people to afford this stuff. They want to charge an outrageous fee where only like the top 0.0001% of humanity can afford it, and then you keep it out of the public's hands. And so it's just like a point, it's pointless. It's an endeavor where only the top wealthiest people in the world can have it. Whereas you and I are actually bringing this to the public in a way that people can afford it. It's not out of the realm. Sure. It doesn't, it, you can't go to the 99 cent or dollar store and buy this, right? No.

Like you definitely have to work in your life. You have to earn an income. You have to be a steady contributing member of humanity. But it's affordable. Again, at the end of the day, you could get an entire month's supply, most of the time, for somewhere between $350 and $500. That's not out of the realm of possibility for 90% of society that works, right? And these things are incredible. But I, I, I think, I think before I answer one, there's a question a guy has about GLO. I just wanted to ask you, as a glimpse, as a preview, and then we'll just do, we'll just do hammer questions. Can you talk a little bit about, uh, um, about Leptogr, just for a second? I mean, don't go and violate, you know, what we're doing, but just tell people how amazing this product really is.

Okay. So, as you know, we have a novel albumin binding protein. We use that and we design novel molecules utilizing that technology to try and compete in various areas like Follistatin, like Clothto. So what we did is we looked at GLPs and how they were basically being used, and we thought that we could do a better job in terms of basically being able to use them for things like nutrient partitioning, which Jay is a very, very big advocate of, and not just in weight loss, but in in combining it with, uh, other products which allow you to, uh, grow muscle in a smarter way. So what we're doing is the first thing that we want to do is launch Leptogr as a novel nutrient partitioning agent that you only have to inject once a month. And we'll hopefully, after testing and some animal testing and some, uh, beta testing, we believe that we're going to be at around 25 micrograms to 50 micrograms once a month as an injection to be in the range of nutrient partitioning, which will allow you to better utilize the carbs and the proteins that you have in terms of building up muscle and in terms of basically metabolizing fat. It will fit, it will fit into that Follistatin, Clothto regime where it basically augments the ability to put on more muscle and to basically allow you to metabolize fat a little better. So that's, that's the first iteration of Leptogr. In the long run, it will be an anti-obesity drug, but or an anti-obesity molecule. But in the in the first iteration, this is where we're focusing our efforts on is its combination potential with Lept, with Clothto, and with Follistatin. And I believe that this has a lot of, uh, a lot of advocates. You have millions of people who aren't in the obese category, but want to get leaner. They want to optimize their health, and this is what it's designed around.

Um, last question on that. When do you think, in a perfect world, that will be available?

Probably the end of February, once we get through testing, once we're, as you know, I'm pretty much obsessive-compulsive about safety. So, this is one of the big things. As you know, we've, I've taken Clothto for a year. I've taken the Follistatin FLGR242 for a long time. I've dosed, double dosed, triple dosed, quadruple dosed the FLGR242 because I wanted to prove the level of safety. We're heading into an IND process. We're going to be dosing at about 150 times in non-human primates, which will prove how utterly safe this compound is. So,

we're going to create the real King Kong. Mike.

The whole idea is the first, as I said before, the first hurdle is safety,

right? I'm not concerned with efficacy. What I'm ultimately concerned with is that we put out the safest products of any on the market. So, it has to be safe. As we say, you know, as we say, it has to be used, or should be used. We tell people these are the parameters, you know, how you, how you dose it, the extent to what you're dosing it. All of these things have been validated, verified, and tested. I'm not telling you something I wouldn't test on myself. I wouldn't put into myself. I would never ask somebody to do something that I haven't done hundreds of times to myself, and I'm sure that there's going to be no ill effects. This is the first thing. Second is to make sure that we put out things that are effective. We're not trying to be a pharmaceutical company that's balancing risk and reward. Yeah, it's going to make you, it's going to help you lose weight, but you're going to be nauseous. You're going to vomit. You're going to have pancreatitis. You're going to have gastroparesis problems. All of these secondary problems. This is not what we're trying to create. What we're trying to create are molecules, products that give you effective results without some, uh, deterioration of your overall health. We're not balancing to treat a disease. We're not treating diseases. This is not being put out there to treat, uh, any type of disease yet. It's being put out there to optimize health and to optimize your body. So, there's no tradeoff with, okay, we want it to to do this, but we're willing to, you know, for you to feel sick for a few days. This is not the goal of what we're doing. There's no tradeoff. If the, if the product does not work 100% without side effects, we're not going to launch it. Just that simple.

Awesome. Um, all right. So, this guy, I don't know who this guy is. Says, "I read that the Clothto mAB you sell and

"that I purchased binds and neutralizes cloth." I guess he's talking about indigenous cloth. That's complete nonsense. Why would anyone say >> the? Because maybe he thinks that it's a monoclonal antibody, but it's >> that's probably right. >> Okay. So the cloth is basically a long-acting natural cloth. What we've done is we've added our albumin binder to a soluble cloth and now it just circulates in the body for a much longer time and supplements your natural cloth levels and has the same effect as cloth. Increases endothelial function, increases uh binding with FGF-23, increases phosphate excretion, increases kidney function, and all of the myriad things that you can read about in the 4,400 publications that have been written on cloth. So, better health, lower risk of cancer, all of these things follow from dosing our cloth. And if you note, we've changed the name because the name was a little confusing. So now it's alpha cloth LR, a long-acting cloth. So I think the name was a little confusing to people. Maybe they thought it was a monoclonal antibody, but it's not. >> Just a real quick question that's not asked, but I'll follow up for you to answer. There are a lot of other quote unquote competing versions of cloth on the market. Uh, Brian has done some videos on Instagram about this saying that most of them are probably bunk because there's no way at the dosage that they're listed on the vials they would even be possible because as you have said, and we've looked into the research, I think it's somewhere between nine and 13 micrograms as active in an aging adult per week. So if you gave somebody >> like 10 milligrams or 15 milligrams, it would like overwhelm the system. Exactly. It's complete scam. Right. >> Right. You basically cause them to hyper-excrete phosphate. They would get calcification of their arteries. They'd basically have major problems very quickly. You don't want to do that. Cloth is one of those molecules that has to be kept within a very strict boundary. There's a U-shaped curve where cloth is effective, and we've basically figured out where that curve is for most people, our size, our age, and basically we dose accordingly. >> Exactly. All right. So, as I told you, and I'll just, you know, put comments in here, uh, the strength and pumps are insane and great on FLGR242. I think everyone knows that. And look, uh, Mike told us when this was first given to us back in October that you would start noticing improvement in the gym within 10 days. And that's exactly when we noticed it. Actually, Matt Chrisman and I and Tony Paladi, uh, in our first week, because we took it on Tuesday, the following Monday when we were, because we were out there for what, two weeks for filming, we went to the gym and I remember training and I was like, strong as hell. I mean, and that's the other thing, Mike, you know, just to add, um, cloth, excuse me, well, obviously there's probably a ver, there's a portion of cloth that's helping with this, but it ramps up the central nervous system, not in a way where you're like amped and can't sleep, but every time you start training again, you have like strength on demand. You have force production on demand. I honestly think that you could literally train up to three times a day effectively. I'm not advocating anyone do that, especially aging people, but there is a question from a younger bodybuilder who's on massive amounts of gear and he wants to understand like how much he could actually gain by going up to say 10 milligrams of follistatin. We'll get to that in a second. But I really do feel like I can train at my age now, which is almost 55. Monica's 54. Incredibly productively, Mike, twice a day if I wanted to. Now, I'm not again, I'm not advocating that. I I'm not telling you guys to overtrain, but if if your nutrition was on point and everything else was on point, I think you really could train twice a day effectively. Correct. >> I think you could. In my case, what I've noticed is I can add extra reps to my regime >> when I'm doing it. The other thing I've noticed is I get these weird muscle vibrations the next day. Like the muscle is trying to grow even though you're not training. The muscle is just like flexing and seems to be like just just like moving around. Exactly. It's kind of >> it's activating. It does sometimes power. It just activates. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's it's a crazy feeling where the muscle is just pumped and just basically working itself while you're sitting there. It's it's something I've never experienced before, you know, in in all the time I've trained, which has only been about 25 years. It's the myokine expression. It's the nervous, it's the nervous system adapting to the myokine expression. But um, so Alex asked another good question. He says, "What's the curve >> on the half-life of FLJ24 at 5 milligrams? Is it a consistent peak for two weeks or is there a hump curve in week one?" >> That's a very interesting question. So it takes about 24 hours for once you've done the subcutaneous for the depot to completely dissipate. It gets in and it stays probably at the peak for around, I'd say 14 to 15 days. So if you're injecting, most of it will stay there for 14 or 15 days. I inject and like you said, you're injecting more often because what we're trying to do is we're trying to escalate that peak. We're trying to build one on top of the other so we keep on basically improving how the body is reacting and lowering the myostatin levels consistently so that your body keeps on adapting to the lower myostatin and the muscles just keep on growing. You can inject once every two weeks. You'll maintain a fairly level of, you know, inject five milligrams once every two weeks instead of 2.5 every week. You'll maintain a very good level of of the follistatin. Um, some molecules will last longer than others. Remember that the cloth and the follistatin are completely natural molecules. They don't have any synthetic or unnatural aminos in them. So, they're more prone to degradation than what a leptin would be, which has some unnatural aminos and therefore would have a half-life probably that approaches 22 days after injection. So from what I've seen myself personally, I would say that the FLGR242, you can inject once every two weeks at a level where you're happy with the results and you only have to do it once every two weeks. >> So this guy asks, Rich Trion says, "How does this compare versus Roach or Scholar Rock Myostatin Solution which are in stage two trials? I'm not familiar with them. Are you familiar with those?" Yes, these are both monoclonal antibodies and as again, as I said, if you look at the, I think the Scholar Rock, they had about 3 to 4% increase in um lean muscle after about 24 weeks, so that would be the comparison. Again, these are larger molecular entities around 150 to 160 kilodaltons. They need to be injected IV. They, you know, they'll, but the Scholar Rock, I believe that they're predicting 3 months of a half-life. So, you go into the clinic once every 3 months to get an IV, but again, you're only achieving 3 to 5% gaining in lean muscle, which is not comparable to what we're seeing across all of the people that are are doing it. Again, monoclonal antibodies have their place in pharmaceutical, >> you know, um, you know, >> in the pharmaceutical industry. They're very effective at certain things. I don't think it's as effective as a myostatin inhibitor because of the nature of where myostatin is being secreted, as again, I said, it's secreted by, in the muscle. You have to penetrate into the muscle effectively to interact with the myostatin before it starts having its effect as a breaking element on muscle growth. So the pursuit of monoclonal antibodies because of their long half-life started decades ago. They've made, you know, improvements in the monoclonal antibodies in terms of the length of time that they basically can stay in the body circulating, but there's no improvement in its efficacy. So why would you follow that path? All you're doing is you're saying, okay, we're going to have something which is 5% lean muscle mass as the total, and we can inject once every 3 months or every 6 months, but that's all we'll attain is 5%. And again, in phase two, when you're looking at a monoclonal antibody, if we look at most monoclonal antibody pricing, you're looking at probably $5 to $6,000 a month at least as the the cost of of getting this in clinic. So, >> versus $400 or $450 bucks. Yeah, >> exactly. >> Or even less. >> That's the comparison. >> Yeah. And not only that, >> Go ahead. >> Go ahead. No, go ahead, Jake. >> No, no, you go. Go ahead. You were saying not only that. Go. No, I'm just saying that you have to sit in a clinic there and again, from what Scholar Rock and Roach, you have side effects. You're going to have side effects with these monoclonals. From what we're seeing with FLG or 242, it's been designed. We have nothing there, no side effects. >> The only, the only side effect >> is if you're one of the unlucky people like I was that reacts on the first shot right to the to the albumin binder, which again, all that is is a little bit of redness, swelling, some edema, and as you know, you the first shot that I took was when it wasn't fixed. >> So, I had like a severe edema reaction. You fixed it now. But there's some people because I listen to these people and they all tell me, and there's very knowledgeable people. Some people, they get a red wel >> sensitive. They're quite sensitive to the >> Yes. But after two shots, Mike, it's gone. >> Yeah. I don't think we're seeing, I don't think we're seeing much of that with the reformulation that we that we do. >> And by the way, you know, just to say this for people that are clueless, because there's a lot of you listening, >> you cannot inject this intramuscular because the albumin binder expands in the plasma and you will have a severe contusion. You will have swelling. You will have discomfort. It will be uncomfortable. It will actually be painful. But Mike, very truthfully, I'm really grateful that you fixed it like you did because a lot of complete idiots who have injected it intramuscularly have have have said, "Hey, after three days I was fine." >> So, it's not even that bad. But don't inject it into the delt or the bicep or the tricep. There's a lot of bodybuilders that are going to want to do that. And you don't want to do that. You want to >> All you do is pinch it, pinch a little fat off on your abdomen, inject it. You're not using, you're using like half a mil, a mil of liquid. It's very easy to do it subcutaneously. And that's what we say, do it subq. You and you're going to find, as we all do, a little depot effect, but after a day, it's completely dissipated. >> All right. So here's a really good question. I'm going to interpret this guy. So I think this guy's a hardcore, uh, geared-out bodybuilder, which is great. Thanks for watching the show. He says, "Do you have anybody right now on growth hormone at 10 plus IUs a day?" Which again, you know, this is like pro pro bodybuilder dosages. Uh, and then high levels of anabolics. Is there, what a Okay, so here's the question for you, Mike, and obviously we're speculating and hypothesizing here, but what a serious professional bodybuilder who's taking massive amounts of growth hormone, probably massive amounts of insulin, probably massive amounts of gear, let's say two to three grams a week, which again, we don't advocate, it's not healthy, but would those people on five to say 10 milligrams a week of follistatin, assuming they have good DNA, genetics, androgen receptor sensitivity, would they potentially get a lot bigger from the 5 to 10 milligrams of follistatin? >> Oh yes. >> Because what they're doing, remember, these are two separate pathways, right? One, the anabolics are stimulating muscle growth. The myostatin inhibitor is taking the brakes off. So think of it like a sports car. Think of it like you're running your engine, but you have the parking brake on, and now you take off the parking brake. Now, like the car is just going to accelerate. So this is basically what you're doing. No matter your genetics, unless you're a genetic freak that doesn't have any myostatin, the myostatin that's circulating in your body is slowing down and inhibiting muscle growth. If you take off that brake, no matter if you're on gear, on GH, whatever it is, it will accelerate that effect of what you're taking. >> So, would you say, just to pile on to add, because a lot of people are going to ask this. So, if you're one of those pro bodybuilder types and you're taking all this, call it, you know, exogenous superphysiological levels of gear, of growth hormone, of insulin, what is the max that you would take per week in your opinion of FGL242? Would you stay at 10 or would you go as high as 15? >> No, you're not going to see any effect. Remember, there's there's a circulating maximum of myostatin in the human body, right? But but these guys are slightly bigger. You and I at 210 pounds are taking about five milligrams. They could go to 10 milligrams a week, but they don't have to go higher than that because it's not going to have any more effect, >> right? So that's So you guys, I hope you heard what we said. >> More is not better when it comes to follistatin. 10 is probably the rate-limiting level. You know, if you want to waste money, because you know there will be people that will do that and go up to 20, let us know how you go. But Mike has already done all this stuff. He already knows that you won't see any different effect from 10 to 20. Now, look, I'm only on five a week. I saw an insane gain from 2.5 to five. Mike, I was going to ask you this because obviously people are asking me about cycles. I went 12 weeks and then I went immediately into five. Again, I'm on week 15 now. At five, my plan is to go 12 weeks of five. Would I want to take any time off if I do test 10 or would I go straight to 10 after for 12 more weeks and then just take it off for the rest of the year? >> I would go straight to 10 and then maybe take a break. Maybe take a break for four or five weeks. Four weeks. Yeah. Go 36 weeks then take a break for four weeks. Let your body like >> that's what the m let the muscle sort of like, uh, how can I say, rest in a way. Let your physiology rest because, reset. Yeah. Yeah, you're >> and then we'll go back at 10 or whatever it is. >> So, you guys just hear all that, all those people listening. So, Chris Zant, I know you're listening out there, so I know you're excited because you're going to look like an absolute mutant, but Matt Chrisman, Brian, all you guys. So, you guys heard it. 2.5 for 12, 5 for 12, 10 for 12, and then take off four, six, eight, 10, maybe 12 weeks, whatever. Let your receptors reset. Maybe use LDN. We'll be talking about that later, but that's the strategy right now. Okay, so more questions. Um, Mike, how much food should someone be eating? Like, let's just say maintenance. What is the amount over maintenance for maximum muscle gain? >> Okay, that's a >> for both men and women. >> Okay, so that's a really good question. Remember when we first met, I told you that I had upped my caloric intake, taking cloth and the FLGL242 at a at a 2.5 milligram dose. I was going, I had jumped to 5,000 calories a day and I wasn't getting fatter. I was in fact fairly lean at at 90, 97 kilos. So I think that when you combine fus, follistatin, the FLGR242 into cloth, you need to up your caloric intake to some degree. >> You need to up your protein, you need to up your carbs. You're again, your muscles are going to grow faster, they're going to put out more energy, you're going to lose body fat, so you have to balance. I would say that you have to look basically in the mirror. If you had a DEXA type of uh, you know, body scanner, you know, you the whole thing with the, you hold these things with the >> in body that's in >> the InBody. This will allow you to gauge how you're going. The other thing is you don't want to, you definitely don't want to be too low in caloric intake because then you're going to be tired. You're you're putting out a lot of energy. You're going to get stronger. Your muscles are going to grow quicker. This requires a certain amount of protein and a certain amount of carbs to basically fuel that growth and to fuel your body working at a higher level. So, I would say, let's say you're at 3,000 calories, go to 3500 calories, >> add protein, add a little of carbs, and then see where you are. Some people might react really well and they might need a little more. Other people might react slightly less. And so, but again, each person should look at themselves critically week to week and fine-tune their caloric intake to what they really want to achieve. >> There's no doubt, 100%. All right. So, um, this is my rule of thumb when it comes to that. I agree 100%. I think if you are a woman and you're on follistatin and you're looking to gain muscle, not avoid muscle loss or catabolism from GLPs, you should be eating 1.25 to 1.5 grams of protein per of goal body weight. Right? So if you're an obese person, I'm not telling you to eat, you know, one gram per pound. I'm telling you what is your goal body weight, which you only you know, and then eating 1.1, excuse me, one to 1.25, 25 to 1.5 of that because again, that's going to factor in uh the increased nitrogen retention or nitric, uh, obviously nitric oxide potentiality from the cloth and from the follistatin, which as you said, Mike, you're accelerating your metabolism, you're increasing metabolic rate, you're increasing nutrient partitioning. Uh, obviously the ultimate game changer will be when we have leptin GR and throwing a microdose of that in a, you know, monthly so that we can obviously speed metabolic rate to even enhance uh lean uh protein gain, but I agree. 500 increased calories and then just go from there. Come down 250, go up 250 until you get to where you're like, not gaining fat but still putting on muscle. >> Um, what do you think about taking follistatin when recovering from injuries? Absolutely right. >> Definitely. You basically, this is the ideal type of molecule to help with regaining muscle that you've lost due to injury or even while you're rehabilitating. You should be taking the FLGR242 to help the rehabilitative process. Remember, most drugs that are myostatin inhibitors are were being invented to deal with sarcopenia, which is the loss of muscle as you get older or the loss of muscle after uh injury or illness. So, basically, this is one of those applications which are perfect for FLGR242. >> Awesome. Um, okay, so more questions. Um, here's a good question. Uh, can individuals on blood pressure meds take Clo? >> Yes. But again, this should be done uh with consultation with your doctor because again, you're going to be affecting your endothelial function. You're going to be affecting your blood pressure because the nitric oxide release will lower blood pressure. You might theoretically be able to reduce the blood pressure meds that you're on. But again, this should be done in consult. Whenever you're on medication, you need to consult your doctor and see and discuss with him exactly what you intend to do, try to do, and be seen at a constant basis for the first number of months to make sure that you're not having some unexpected interaction. And there are many blood pressure medicines out there. So, I can't pronounce on what you should or should not do. I'm not a doctor. I'm not pretending to be, but you could have a positive. Listen, we know that the cloth will have a positive effect on on heart. People with higher amounts of cloth are less likely to suffer from heart attacks, infarction, and coronary disease than people who have lower cloth levels. So augmenting cloth levels should have a positive effect, but has to be done again in a safe way. So what we say is consult with your doctor, start carefully on the regime and then see be by being monitored if it's having the positive effect that you want to be able to maybe lower the blood pressure medication. >> Yeah, well said. Um, and also because we haven't talked about this and no one's asked this question yet, but Mike, but obviously the studies show it. I actually think that cloth is going to help reverse early onset neurodegenerative disease. I think that a lot of people that have, you know, again, latent Luger's disease, latent type three diabetes, which may be considered latent Alzheimer's, you know, amyloid, amyloid buildup, etc. The cloth though is going to start increasing uh synaptic, dendritic, serotonin. It's going to improve those pathways. It's going to get rid of glycolated end products. It's going to get rid of senescent cells. It's going to do a lot of things to improve all of those pathways that really are just, you know, full of gunk. I mean, it's it's almost like a metabolic or cellular fumigation to help with again, removing senescent cells because it does all these amazing things. But as you know and I know, there's a lot of research that they've been using cloth uh to reverse early onset neurodegenerative disease or just neurodegenerative delays. And again, it makes sense because again, what is neurodegenerative disease? It's type three diabetes. It's the it's the same illness >> that has affected people from living, from not living insulin-controlled, eating the standard American diet, which is the SAD diet, which is [ __ ] you know, loaded with processed food, high fructose corn syrup, seed oils, and that's just generally, you know, clogged their arteries, clogged their vascular networks, clogged their brain pathways. And so it's like now you have this amazing agent that's going to work at lowering all of your biological age, you know, criteria, improving bioenergetic cascades. It's doing all these amazing things to make you younger cellularly, so you can stand to reason that it will do all these different things. It's just going to take time for your body to clean up. And you already said it, it's not a magic bullet. You have to change your life. >> You have to change your lifestyle and start doing all these things. But if you do all those things, it's dramatic. It's literally dramatic in what it does. >> Yeah, >> it it is. And again, one of the things that cloth does that we didn't mention is cloth also energizes your mitochondria. So even at the most cell, basic cellular or microcellular level, you're enhancing your metabolic function, you're enhancing cellular function and cellular integrity. So if it can affect this in even inside the brain indirectly, again, you you see the effects on on uh being able to be lucid, memory, uh the ability to to to function mentally much more clearly. So that sense of clarity that you get when you're on it is very, very dramatic. So when you've been on it for a year, you really feel the difference between what you were a year ago and what you are now. That's exactly what you said. It takes time. This, if you've been living an unhealthy, well, most of us live an unhealthy life to some degree. So, if you've been living unhealthy and not like really following a healthy lifestyle, this will have an effect after a year. You will see your metabolic parameters and a number of other things change dramatically. That's what we believe. >> Exactly. If you're not fully [ __ ] optimized, it's going to take time for you to get there. Uh, here's actually a good question, Mike. Um, what is the shelf life of cloth and and FLGR242 when unconstituted versus reconstituted? >> Okay, so this depends on the temperature at which you store them at -20° C. They should be stable for 3 years. So put them in a fridge at minus 20, your freezer, you know, they stay frozen. You reconstitute it, then you use it within the month. If you're using half of the vial in a month, it'll stay in the fridge. It'll stay reconstituted and you can use it over the month. It'll stay perfectly viable. So, and again, when we put out these products, we're testing not only their their protein content, their purity, but we're also testing their affinity for the for the binding that they're supposed to be doing. In the terms of cloth, we test binding by SPR to FGF-23. In terms of FG or FLGR242, what we do is we test binding to myostatin. So every lot that we produce, we test by SPR to make sure that it's not only the protein that we want, but it's the glycoprotein that has the binding affinities that we need to have an effective product. So this is again part of what we do. This again adds to to the cost, but it also guarantees that what we're producing and what we're selling to you are effective compounds. >> Exactly. Um, so curious on the max dose for women. I think we pretty much said that you'd have to be a a pro bodybuilder woman to take 5 milligrams a week. Like, max dose for most women is 2.5 milligrams, right? As I said, as I said, my fiance, who was like 125 pounds, five, one milligram, and she's already seen tremendous results in terms of stripping away body fat and firming up the muscle. She's not like muscular, but she's gotten noticeably leaner, and the muscles are definitely much more visible. >> Yeah, that's awesome. Monica started a week ago and you guys all know Monica has insane genetics for someone who's 54 and is already pretty hyper muscular. So it'll be it'll be actually very interesting but I think very noticeable on Monica because she responds very well usually genetically. All right, here's another good question. Um, if it's going to IND, we always got one guy from pharma watching us. Mike, will it be an approved drug and go away from the research space? >> So the whole idea is Sure. I I think we're going to reveal basically what our attitude is. The whole idea is to make this more available as a mainstream molecule. Uh, not a research molecule, but a molecule that you're allowed to use under right to try. This is what we're trying to achieve by following the IND process and then achieving phase one. Once we've achieved phase one, which I honestly believe is is not 100% confidence that we will do that, then we're able to market this as a right to try drug at a various uh state uh entities that we intend to pursue. So, this will be basically mainstream. It won't be a research chemical anymore. And we hope to achieve that with all of the uh offerings of molecules that we're doing. So yeah, in the end, we hope to be able to to bring all of these to market in a way that makes them much easier to access for the majority of people. Our goal is to make millions of people healthier and stronger. We can't. The whole idea is to do this in a way that legitimizes our our approach to designing these molecules. And I think the IND and the phase one of FLGR242 as the first step will do just that. >> I have a fan club, Jay. You look very handsome, young man. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mama. All right. So, this guy says, "Please talk about retrograde synthesis of this molecule and how we could differentiate the good versions from the fake ones." Before you answer that, I want you to be honest, and we're not going to talk [ __ ] about anybody, but are there really any other real versions of either of these products in the marketplace? There isn't. Correct. >> No. Listen, we've only launched these products on, as we said, on Black Friday. So, you'd have to buy the product, then you'd have to analyze the product, let's say, by LCMS. So, you'd have to break down all of the molecule. You'd have to break down what the albumin binder is. Then you'd have to break down all of the glycosyl residues that we've attached to the molecule to break make it work. Then you'd have to basically figure out how to make the master cell line, which takes months to do by inserting the DNA into the cells. You produce a large number of cells. You then isolate the cells which are producing the protein in the the type of level that you think that you can make a commercial batch. Then you have to overcome the problems, and I'm not going to discuss these problems because this is proprietary. The problems that we encountered with producing this, fermenting this, and scaling up. So it took us months to overcome these problems. So anybody who thinks that they're going to do this because of the very particular problems that relate to the albumin binder are kidding themselves. There are very specific problems and very specific ways that we found to overcome them, but that took time. And then you have to overcome the problems of formulation, which Jay himself knows that we had initial problems of formulation, but we overcame it. So do I think there's anybody in the market currently who can launch a retrograde product? Impossible. Do I think in 6 months to a year somebody could come out with a product that imitates our product? Yes, I do. And they will be then summarily sued for patent infringement and everything else. So listen, they can listen, they can try, but I have a listen, I've been in the United States for about 25 years. I've sued people 27 times. So that should give you an idea that I have no hesitation to sue people for infringing my patents. And if you want to look >> guys, we'll come after you. All right. So Justin Christensen, this is a good one. He says, "I'm a dialysis patient and I just got back from Cabo from getting mised stem cells at Dr. Khan's clinic. Will Clo interfere with my stem cell treatment?" And then he asked about bacteria water. Somebody, Matt already answered that, but it's not going to interfere with the stem cell treatment at all. Correct. Again, this is a person who's just taken a medical treatment. If I were you, I'd reach out to the doctor who did the stem cell treatment and discuss using this in addition to what you're doing. Again, our first, our first thing is safety. So, you've just undergone a treatment to to help your kidneys. Cloth is a protein that basically reinforces kidney health. It's excreted from your kidneys. But again, I caution you, you should talk to your doctor who treated you and say, there's this product that's out there. It's a long-acting cloth. If he wants to get in touch with us, you know, uh, you can get in touch with Jay. He will forward me the information. I can talk with the doctor himself and we can discuss if it's appropriate at some point for you to try adding the cloth to your regime. But again, this should always be in consultation with your doctor who's done these procedures. >> All right. So, I got a couple of questions from my private membership group. They emailed me. Um, so I see Davis Forzo asked about two grams a week of follistatin, start for a man. Absolutely. You can do 1.25. You can do 1.5. You can do two. You're great. Uh, >> milligrams. >> Yeah, exactly. Milligrams. First question is from Bill Wartman. I'm a 60-year-old optimized male. I'm currently on follistatin and I'm very optimized. I had a recent back injury with right leg pain. I'm asking if I should continue with my follistatin even though I've had to cut back on my training intensity due to the injury. The answer is absolutely yes. Correct. >> Yeah. Exactly. And it'll help you re, and it'll help him rehab the leg that's been affected because it'll allow the muscle to to to respond better to the to rehabilitation. >> So, here's another really good question. And I know we're not doctors, but we're playing doctors on the internet on this call, but uh, what would your Mike, I'm a 50-y old man. I'm excuse me, 58 years old, so he's three years older than me. I'm currently on follistatin. What are your thoughts on incorporating specific anabolics like Deca or Primobolan or Anavar alongside my TRT on my growth hormone during a follistatin cycle? If you agree with any of those, what would your dosage be to maximize muscle gain? Okay. So, first let me say I've never taken any of these anabolics. Okay. Again, because I lost my kidney when I was very young, I have to be extremely careful of what I put into my body because, you know, your kidneys can be extremely adversely affected by some of the anabolics. >> Definitely. >> So, I'm not a big fan of anabolics because of my own background. >> Sure. >> Saying that, there are people who take Deca. There are people who, but again, you're dealing with compounds where a lot of people have negative side effects. >> Absolutely. Negative side effects 100%. >> And you're going to affect your heart. You're going to affect your liver. These are going to be negative side effects. If it were me, I would stick to the TRT. Maybe increase your TRT slightly based on based on like what you do, your hematocrit, what go to go to the doctor, go to a clinic, check your um your um your levels of testosterone, check your levels of DHT, check your SHBG, check all of these things. And then I would say that that would be the first thing is optimize your TRT. Optimize, let's say some GH or IGF-1. Optimize the follistatin, FLG242, and the cloth, and proceed from there. I would say if you're not satisfied with how big you're going to get, with how muscular you're going to get, then choose maybe the the least harmful of the anabolics. I know Anavar has problems with liver problems, kidney problems. You and again, orals tend to be more highly toxic to your system than an injectable. So, so everything you just said is accurate. I would add a couple of things. I would say I agree. I don't think with follistatin now that you don't need any anabolics. And I'm a guy that's done low dose uh, you know, micro doses of anabolics like Primobolan tablets, Primobolan acetate. I've used low dose Anavar. I think Deca, I think Deca is horrible. I think all the 19-nor testosterones or the progestogenic drugs, even uh Tren, Trenbolone acetate or Trenbolone enanthate, all are terrible. They're bad for brain chemistry. Uh, and they definitely cause long-term negative side effects. But I would, I would, I would add again, we already talked about food, Mike, right? We got to eat more food. We got to add more protein. We got to train at a level that's going to allow us uh to increase force production because of the follistatin. I would actually add a higher dose of growth hormone. You already talked about thymosin beta 500, a 500 microgram dose of that every day to again increase uh the myokine cytoplasmic expansion. As myokines are being flooded, you got cytoplasmic expansion with the thymosin beta. I would actually consider using a um a fast-acting insulin before and after training. Right? It's not a lot. You take a couple of IUs, it's very, very safe application pre-training, post-training. Make sure you have your, you know, your peri-workout shake with carbohydrates, but that's really all you need. You don't need any more anabolics. Like you said, you don't need, you don't need to hit testosterone, DHT, estradiol anymore with hormone manipulation when you can take the follistatin, the FLGR242. Uh, I've increased my growth hormone dosage. I've always taken 1.5 IUs in the morning when I wake up. I've increased my dosage since I've been on follistatin to either two and a half to three. It just depends on the day. Um, again, I'm using a pen of Genotropin from Pfizer. Uh, I have not personally used Slend yet, but I'm very honest and open to tell you guys that I am going to experiment. I have somebody getting me pens. They're very available in the marketplace today. They're very, very safe. Again, fast-acting pre and post-workout. two or four IUs, you know, I would say two and two, four, maybe you go up to six to eight if you're really advanced and you understand how to use nutrition to manipulate so you don't go hyper hypoglycemic or hyperglycemic. But again, it's very, very simple to do this. And Mike, I'm with you. I don't think you need uh anabolic manipulation anymore. Now, granted, I'm not talking about becoming a pro bodybuilder, right? A pro bodybuilder is going to have to take whatever the [ __ ] he's got to take to get to 350 pounds or 340 pounds and be a mutant. But for most people who just want to add 10 to 15 to 20 pounds of skeletal muscle over a couple of years, you don't need anabolics anymore. That's how effective. Yes, you need testosterone. You definitely need therapeutic testosterone, but you don't need all the other things. And I'm not saying that they're bad. I don't want people to misinterpret what I'm saying. But I'm to totally with you now. I don't think you need any of that. You have follistatin. We just gave you an accurate cycle as a man. Two and a half for 12, five milligrams for 12, 10 milligrams for 12. Train like a beast. Eat 500 to 750 calories over. Get optimized hormonally. Use growth hormone or growth hormone agonist peptides. Take thymosin alpha beta 500. Obviously, if you can and you're smart enough, use a little bit of insulin. And then, of course, Mike, you already said it best, which we've left off. You know, use a retroid or a leptin GR. And then obviously use mitochondrial peptides to help with uh uh uh protein and nitrogen synthesis and do that over time and you don't need anything else. I mean, I literally think that you can easily add 15 to 20 pounds of muscle regardless of your age over a one, two-year period doing this. >> Exactly. And you'll look totally different. I mean, 20 pounds of lean muscle makes a total difference on on a physique, no matter how good, you know. I mean, I've only put on, I've only put on six pounds of actual skeletal muscle in 15 weeks, but I've probably lost again, a pound and a half to three pounds of actual fat. And I was never fat anyway. So now I'm just leaner and more muscular. So, >> right, >> like again, people notice you when you're more muscularly dense, >> period, right? Like you could be you could be >> smaller and more dense from a weight standpoint and people will think you're bigger. So that's kind of what's happening. That's what's happening with the follistatin is you're getting leaner and you're getting more muscular and obviously you're also adding size to areas that were probably weak body parts over time. So again, I really like this idea of doing like a 36-week program and then taking off four to eight to 12 weeks depending on just to assess like how you've grown. And of course, all of you guys who are doing this, you got to have your training designed correctly, right? Like you can't just be showing up at the gym all willy-nilly and watching other people and training. You got to have a program that's designed, you know, >> as you said, some of that program has to be designed around your weak parts so that you're able to train the weak parts and now those weak parts will respond much better by being on the FLGR242. So again, you're right. And but again, people have to think long term. You're not going to look different. You're going to look a bit different in 8 to 12 weeks. You're going to look radically different in a year. And you have to and you have to put your mindset to that. You have to put the mindset that it's like you're driving across the country. You're not going to get there in a day. You're going to get there, you know, in however long it takes you, but the consistent application of the right products with the right training will get you there. >> Mike, you're absolutely amazing. Um, I'm looking to see if there's any other questions. Um, I think we got all the other questions. Let me just see if I make sure I ask the last question. Um, somebody asked something that's not related to everything. Um, we're on for one hour and 26 minutes. Man, you've been on way longer than I. >> Oh my god, it felt like like 15 minutes has gone. >> I know, man. It's been an absolutely amazing thing. So, uh, stay on. I'm just going to end the show. So, you guys, I really appreciate all of you guys that have been here tonight. Matt Matt Chrisman, thank you for helping answer questions. Billy Whis, I just see you. What's going on? Uh, for all of you guys that watch tonight, we really are appreciative and grateful. Uh, as Mike said, we should have more of both of these products and the one milligram weekly dose of Slim Assist of follistatin, which women are going to want. Any women and any person using GLP-1 peptides is going to want to have that. We should have all of these for sale, I would say within the next 10 to 14 days in a perfect world. Uh, so be on the lookout. Uh, again, biolongevitylabs.com for Mike Farber. I am Jay Campbell. We're going to say goodbye. I will see you guys if you're in my private membership group on Tuesday night. If not, I'll see you guys next Sunday. Peace. >> Thanks everyone. Stay healthy.