Heidi Luv: Bloodlines, Temples, and the Mormon “Matrix”

Hello my friends. Welcome to the Courageous Clarity podcast. My name is Darren Scott. I am a pastor of a church called Eden. Not eating but Eden, like the Garden of Eden, where Andrew and I have been serving for 16 going on 17 years of pastoral ministry.

My background is I got my degree in Bible and theology. I am orthodox in my Christianity, mystical in my experience. I believe in the full gospel of Jesus Christ, signs, wonders, miracles, deliverance, uh five-fold ministry that all of these things are applicable for the church today. I believe that this is the most exciting time in human history uh for the church. We're seeing great expansion uh for the church, but we are also seeing a great war for truth and a great war to reclaim the mission of Jesus and our generation as to how it pertains to the eklesia or the church. That ties in with this particular podcast that we're going to get into today.

You know, when I originally started this new vision for this podcast, we used to be the Supernaturalist podcast show, we recently relaunched it. I kind of lost I I I I quit maintaining it during um co um the things just got a little bit busy. Uh but I felt like I needed to create conversations that would bring clarity and the kind of clarity that would that would bring about courage in the hearts of the saints and certainly this particular conversation will will do that. Sometimes in the attempt to bring clarity things get exposed and sometimes that can be difficult to process through. That certainly would be the case in the conversation that we're going to have today.

My guest, her name is Heidi Love, and she's got a podcast called The Unfiltered Rise Podcast where she is exposing the roots of Mormonism, taking it back into Freemasonry, and then into Egyptian magic, the magic of Solomon or the Cabala, all the way back to Babylon. This is an interesting conversation because it's a conversation that we had not been allowed to have. It's almost like you can talk about any sort of cult or world religion, but you're not allowed to speak negatively of Mormonism. In fact, Mormonism recently went through a rebranding attempt where they don't want to be known as Mormons, but they want to be known as LDS or the uh Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints in an attempt to be seen as just another Christian denomination. But I'll tell you my friends, Mormonism is anything but. This is its own religion. The Jesus that is taught by Mormonism is not the same Jesus in the New Testament Gospels. The Holy Ghost as talked about by Mormonism is not the same Holy Ghost as the Holy Spirit. So when my guest Heidi Love, who was a Mormon for over 34 years, came to know the real true biblical Jesus, this was a big big deal. And her testimony that she is now being featured on all kinds of of of of large podcasts where her testimony is being heard and these truths are being broadcasted. This is such a big deal and it's such an honor to have Heidi on this podcast.

However, it goes deep and it gets involved in a lot of the power structures of our modern society. Because of that, I didn't want that content just living on YouTube. In fact, I don't think it would live there for very long until it gets squashed by the beastly grid. And so for that reason, this is a 50inute introduction to Heidi Love, her testimony, and some of the um ingredients or facets that are part of the Mormonism operating system. We're going to get into that uh in this conversation. But at a certain point, we actually unplug and we go to our 10-10 group, which is a prophetic community where we are bringing about the kind of truth that leads to freedom and a recalibration back into Christian mission, which is so desperately needed right now. We have we have a generation of very confused Christians that don't know who they are and they don't know their their biblical mandate for being on the earth right now. So, we do this conversation and then we host uh three videos that we that are now uploaded to our prophetic community. And so as you're watching this, if if if this is resonating, if this is stirring things up uh within you and you want to go deeper, then I would like to invite you to our 1010 group. And to find it, just go to my website. It's darren.com. And you'll see the invitation where you can join our 1010 group.

While you're there, make sure that you take a quick second to watch our documentary that we just loaded up last week on war portals. And we talk about whenever you see wars that are stirring up on the earth, most likely you'll see some sort of history of war. And that history of war is usually related and linked to a literal metaphysical ancient portal. And our case study in war portals part one is on the invasion of Iraq in 2003. We were told that that was about weapons of mass destruction and then the narrative changed around big oil. And what we actually show is that that battle was actually a battle for the ancient portal of Babylon. And again, that is all there within our within our group. It's stuff I don't want on YouTube, but I'd like to invite you into the conversation.

Our 1010 group also includes a closed Facebook community where people are sharing ideas, asking questions. It's where I include my tribe into the research that I'm doing for my new book, Dark Portals. So, uh, that's the invitation. And without any further ado, it is such an honor to introduce you today to our new friend, Heidi Love. Let's go.

Heidi Love.

>> Good to see you.

>> Good to see you. How you doing?

>> Good. Good. I'm I'm super excited about this. We um we set this up uh weeks ago and I know that we're kind of uh in the summer thing and and and and and you know you were traveling, I was traveling, but we set this up and I've been looking forward to this. I've I've been telling people about about you and I don't know if this is like a good >> like unofficial bio for you or not, but I'm like, listen, I got this gal that's that's going to be coming on and we're going to do this we're going to do this kind of this thing we'll put out on YouTube of like like her story, but then we're going to go uh and I'm going to have her do like a presentation of some of this crazy stuff that's happening. She is like this whistleblower that came out of the Mormon church that's talking about stuff that's that really people aren't talking about it. It feels like when it comes to Mormonism, it's it's like people are afraid to say anything negative. And and you might have some jokes here and there about like they got all these wives and you might hear like a Mormon joke every now and then, but even that's kind of kind of taboo. And it's almost like you can't don't say anything about the Mormons cuz they are like nice, man. Like they are like >> they're untouchable. >> They are like the nice >> people. And so sure their theology is whack and sure they might be borderline a cult, but let's but let's be careful. And so when Heidi, when you were when I first started uh listening to the stuff that you're creating, the interviews that that you've been on and I and your your your stuff's really taking off and um I was so shocked at the at the exposure and the link with Mormonism and uh Freemasonry and the Cabala and the Magic of Solomon. I I honestly had no idea. But once I started to see this stuff, I started seeing the patterns everywhere and and and so this isn't just we're gonna get into some stuff, but I I realize this isn't just an exposure of of Mormonism. This is like an exposure of of like, forgive my my my word choice, but kind of like of the beastly grid that is kind of underlaying the fabric of everything. And uh Mormonism is a big part of it. So, if I said anything that's not quite >> um factual or right, feel free to correct me. But thanks so much for being willing to have this conversation.

>> Absolutely. I'm pretty much an open book and I don't really uh you know get weird about any of that. Sounds like you're right on track with what I'm trying to do. Nothing that I thought I would ever do. I think I just explained that to you. this was just a calling that I answered and I I was in a really bad time of desperation when this happened and I think when you are at that point um and I certainly was um you know I was willing to do almost anything it wasn't fouian in a nature of course but I was just trying to get close to God and trying to figure things out and trying to you know find my way and I was so lost and so sad because my eldest daughter has decided to estrange from the family And it was right at that time when I'm, you know, giving up everything, all that stuff and becoming a Christian and you lose things with when you make a commitment to God, he kind of, it's not like he does it. Tests come, right? Just the Just look at Job. I always say just look at Job. Your life isn't that bad, right? Like he lost all his kids in one day. I don't care how many kids he had later. Those kids are not the same kids. It's not the same thing. True. Yeah. So, I always thought, you know, I started reading my Bible cuz how can you know the Lord, right? I mean, you got to do the work. And so, I started having coffee with God in the morning and I started just flipping open the Bible because I'd read it many times. So, it wasn't like I needed the foundational work. That wasn't the thing. So, just started praying and I I was like, "Give me the answers I need." And I mean, he would. It was really weird. It was like I would answer to these pages and journal journal journal. I have so many big stacks of journals now. I still do it. And um I just thought, you know, God, just show me what's up. And sometimes it's not for me. That's the worst one when you're like, oh my gosh, I have to tell this to somebody. Like I don't want to tell this to, you know. Um, and especially like sometimes it would be for like my ex-husband and I'm like, "Oh, I don't want to." Like, it's just uncomfortable at times, but you know that it's it's leading the way, right? It's not it's prophetic for sure, but I'm no prophet. you can have miracles happen to you without being, you know, special if you want that closeness with God. And I was at a broken state and I think he was really there. I know he was. Um, and so still to this day, it's been six and a half years. My daughter's never spoke to me again.

>> Um, and

>> was that was that because of you leaving the the Mormon church?

>> I I think that would have been easier. It's because of her husband.

>> Okay. Got it.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Complicated. Family is complicated. Well, I only met him twice, so I don't know how you judge people like that, but apparently he is wiser than I. And I just thought he was great. And he just thought I was not great. So, and I'm loud. You know, you've seen my videos. I I rub people the wrong way all the time.

>> And by the way, I love your I love your laugh. I I was listen You're a guest on someone's podcast or something recently, and you were like, "Sorry, I hit I hit mute so that my so that my cackle wouldn't come through." And I was like, "Don't hit mute. I I think you got a a great laugh. So, thank you. So embarrassing.

>> Please don't hit mute uh during this during this this conversation.

>> Thank you. Yeah, I I get embarrassed cuz that's always been something I've been teased about as a kid. But I mean, obviously like it's real, right? I think that's what people like is I just came out of nowhere because I'm just a housewife and a mom and a nurse that just decided to do this because God led me to it. Like this wasn't my idea. And I told you I cried. Yeah, it was a whole thing.

>> Well, definitely definitely don't use the word just. You've got you've got six kids. You've got a very successful podcast that is growing. You've got like your own uh community, like a Patreon type type community that you're that you're stewarding. You're a nurse where you're working with people with uh with psych psychiatric issues where you're there just wanting to help and support them. You're you're a a wife um as well on top of all of that. So, please don't use the word just. You've you've got some very significant assignments and it seems like you're stewarding them very very well. And so, hey, I wanted to just would you be willing to just kind of bring us into like going back to this whole kind of, you know, the the the Mormon system and family that you were part of your world at that time and how I can't even imagine. I mean, it it had to have been only God, man. Only by God's grace could you actually that was your world. Like that was your entire world. Could you bring us into what that world looked like and then how you came out of it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You're right. It's still my world. I'm stuck here. I'm in Utah. And people are like, I worry for you. And I'm like, ah, whatever. I always say I would never unal alive myself, so figure that out. And as soon as I started saying that on podcast, you know what? It got better. Um, and so things weren't as pressurized. And I just think that the church is like, "Let her ramble like whatever. She looks crazy." I'm like, "Ah, okay. I look crazy." You know, um, but I am a a literal bloodline Mormon, like from the original pioneer settler Mormons. And, you know, this is a big deal. And, and some of my family is from Aadia. And this gets weird. and and my like heritage back and I was telling you goes back to >> many many queens and kings over the years the main still I'm like eighth I'm like the king of England right now is my eighth great-grandfather period like he not twice removed like he is that and so it you know it gets weird Mayor Venji and stuff and stuff I didn't understand I remember my grandma being really into it she served a mission later in life and was um a genealogy missionary So, I was privy to some things because, right, she's raising me up and trying to tell me like, "Well, look at this, we'll look at that." And I just remember tell I told you like I fell asleep in the holy blood and the holy grail thinking it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my entire life because she was so obsessed and now I understand, you know, but I didn't then. I could have cared less like I was kid, you know.

>> Can I ask you real quick on that? Um, why is genealogy so important in the in the Mormon church? And I want to get back to your story. So I know I realize this could go anywhere, >> but yeah. Why is genealogy Why is a genealogy missionary that we don't have those in our Christian tradition that I know of?

>> Yeah, of course you don't. Well, you're not practicing necromancy, so I'm sure you don't care. So, but I do want to tell you, and shout out to who sent me this this week. I had a listener send me the actual um genealogy tree that is very important that started the Mormon church's genealogy system. It's what they go off of, right? Created by a Bennett. And I don't know if you've seen my series on um the Mormon Mafia and how important Bob Bennett is and his >> I haven't seen that one. That's on my list. So Bob Bennett is intrical and also a part of Watergate, but his father was very intrical in setting up this system and he set it up to where he traced the family lines clear back to Adam that they have this and on this huge genealogy and it's called one royal line. I haven't you're the first person that I've ever spoke to about this because I just got this information right and so it's a pedigree on familyarch.org. I'm sure it will be gone by the time we are finished possibly talking. But the Royal Line Pedigree and it's by um I think his name is Archabald Bennett and I'll double check that while we're chatting, but on this line it shows where Joseph Smith because he's always said that he is literally a Maravvenian child. Okay? and not only a Maravvenian, but that he hailed from both Mary Magdalene, which is a tribe, okay, for the Mormons, which is the tribe of Ephraim, and I am of the tribe of Ephraim. They tell you this, I'll get to that in a minute. We'll just leave that there. Or and also the tribe of Manasseh, which is Jesus Christ himself. So that Joseph Smith was a perfect moonchild, which we'll get to. Um, and born on the birthday of of the god Jupiter. So this is very important. You know Crowley admired Joseph Smith though he hated theology hated it but he loved Joseph Smith and why is that right?

>> That is interesting. That is very interesting.

>> And so when we talk about these things in this one royal line and there's this star of David on here. Okay.

>> And real real quick on that when you say Crowley for our listeners that are new this is going to be very this is going to be um a lot. It's going be very new for our listeners. You're referring to Alistister Cro Crowley who was the kind of the the godfather of of magic. Yeah. In our in our country.

>> Yes. And I you know Crowley though he is debaucherous as he is by nature because he didn't understand alchemy. He would he had sacred knowledge. You know this is why they say never give the knowledge to uninitiated. Right? This is why it's so hidden and everybody scrambles when you start talking crazy. you know, they don't want you to to spill the secrets, basically. And so, yeah, this uninitiated business is absolutely due to exactly what Crowley did because when he's doing certain debaucherous things, it's because they were alchemical processes that he was literally taking literally and doing some weird stuff. Okay. So, we're going to leave it there cuz this is a Christian show and I don't want to mess with you people. But, you know, the negrado of alchemy would be the waste. So, that's a good way to put it. Just like humans have waste and he took that literally and did some things and it gets strange and and very uncomfortable. So, when we look at the things that people do that are quote unquote uninitiated, this is why they retain the secrets so deeply.

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But on this list that all these people are coming off of, all these lines, there's a six-pointed star, literally the star of Ramfam. And it says, "And God saw these souls that they were good, and he said, "These I will make my rulers." They believe they are of the divine right to rule. You want to know why Mormons think the way they do? And I say Mormons still because when I grew up, that's what they were called. I'm still going to call them that. Yes, they are called LDS. Now, that's a new thing. Like, we were Mormons and we were proud to be Mormons. And there was a whole big thing about be proud to be Mormons, too. And people come at me and I'm like, you know, it depends on the prophet. So their current prophet, you know, Skull and Bones, Russell M. Nelson, you know, that's 100 years old. He is a hundred years old. Um, he doesn't like that term, so he changed it up and that's why it's LDS. And, you know, others before him fought over it. Certain ones liked it, certain ones He's not the only one is what I'm saying. But you know, it gets interesting when you look at who is leading a people. And at the top echelon of anything that you do, I don't care if it's Catholics or Protestants or Mormons or any organized religion that gains a lot of traction and has a huge following. Okay. It can be corrupt at the top. I don't care. I don't care. Yeah. These these sex, you know, divine, right? Right. what happens when we give people divine things like that and yeah it yeah Germany happens that's what happens

>> so it's bad it's not a good idea

>> and I'm just going to let people know um we're we're going to take some time because we're actually going to pop the hood on on Mormonism and dive into some of this stuff because it's absolutely crazy intriguing and I realize that this is going to be kind of just the the beginning of the rabbit hole for many people um but your bloodline goes back to royalty and that made your family kind of like influencers in the Mormon scene. And

>> so, and every time I bring this up, it gets it gets so much flak. Look, I'm not saying people are like, "Mormon bloodlines aren't royal." Listen, you're right. Joseph Smith on paper is not a royal. He is Irish and he claims Maravvenian blood. And why does he do that? Right. Well, we get into this whole story that the Mormons hide, hide, hide, hide. That Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene had children along with two other wives, by the way, and another Mary and a Martha. Okay? And that he was the divine, you know, offspring of these unions and that he carried the blood of Jesus Christ in his veins. And so, um, this is not my idea and this is a very Templar notion. If you don't know anything about the Knights Templar, you won't understand this and it will sound insane and I get it. Like I totally get it because people will say, "Well, that was a dumb book and that was the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail." I'm like, "Behind every dumb book, you should look behind it if it's historical related, you know, because it's important." So,

>> wow. Wow.

>> But yes, my family were um they many of them came up. So, it depends on which line you come from. On my grandma's particular line, it is directly up through Henry. It's either Steuart Talba or Talbert Stewart. I can never remember, but he's a direct descendant like right up like from my great-grandma. Okay. And he comes from this huge royal line. He's supposedly the the king's son illegitimately. Okay? This is the story. I didn't I didn't make it up and anybody can look up what he was about. And he went to South Africa and then all of a sudden, you know, he made a whole town there. He's doing great. he decides he's going to be a Mormon, takes off, comes here, never returns, and and just abandons that whole situation. So, he comes to Utah and and is a Mormon here. So, that was one weird story. And then there's from my grandma's husband's side who they were Mormons that came up through Aadia. And that gets even more interesting because it's like a very Templar connected story which I just did an episode um two episodes on the Templars and it was the one from Canada that was really interesting because you know Columbus wasn't the first one to set set little feet here and what the Mormons did is they knew certain bloodlines carried what they would call magical blood. Okay. So, when we're talking about natives, um, different things and but not black people ever until 1978. That was mm- um, which is also in line with this whole, you know, the big the big story about the the great white brotherhood. I don't know if you're familiar with this, but it's a whole nightmare, okay? Like, it gets into, you know, divine rights all over the place. And so, what they wanted to do was marry these these indigenous women to make them, and I quote, more white and delightsome. so that they could be more white, right? And and and literally they meant it. There are quotes people will say, "Oh, that was just uh their souls or something." No, literally there has been many prophets including Ezra Tapbenson, which is in the 70s who said, "I can see my brothers and sisters becoming more white and delightsome and they were scrubbing with lemons, says the indigenous women to become more white and dying their skin because it was at that that level of pressure." Okay. Staying out of the sun, you know, doing everything they could while these men took these extra wives, including my great great great grandpa who took a Mcmack woman. And that is why I became interested in it because I was like, "What's going on with this over here?" Like, it's not even Native American. This is up in Canada. When I got my DNA back, that's that's why I knew. Um, and you know, I was a normie. I I don't know that I'd have done that then now, but whatever. They got me. they got me. Anyway, um but so I started studying all of this different history just because of my family lines and even the stories with Marie Antuinette and her son possibly making it out and you know the strange beginnings of so many secret societies here in America including the society of Cincinnati and that one is huge.

>> Hold on. Don't get into that. Don't get into that. Tell me, how did you like how did you snap out of the Mormon matrix? Like,

>> oh boy.

>> Because what you what you've done is you've shown us the the intensity of the machine and how involved just gener generationally you you were. So the possibility of you breaking out of that matrix was was like there's there's there's just no possibility. I mean you are you are in by blood and by royal blood and everything else. So how how how did you ever it's like the Truman show like like at what point did you run into the end of the set and you realized uh this isn't what you thought it was?

I think because of the fact that I had a dichotomy in the way I was raised due to a very abusive stepfather. My my younger years when I was 12 and under were very uh strange because I was taken to church. I was baptized all the things but by neighbors because my parents were called Jack Mormons. And my mom wasn't into it at all. She was just trying to survive. This guy's trying to kill us basically. I'm not his real kid. my real dad's in prison. That's a whole different story. Um, and so I didn't have a whole lot of options here. Okay. And so at some point when things get to my mom to a point where she can't return because mentally she becomes broken at some point, right? She's okay now, everyone. But at that time, she just couldn't handle anymore. My grandmother stepped in. But I knew in those times of grief and sorrow and scared and frightening and everything that you go through when you go through real chaos and struggle, I would cry out to God. And I knew God on a different level. I was so lucky because I got to know him on my level, right? I was still going to church every Sunday, all the things you're supposed to do, but I had to know him at a desperate level. And so when I did know God, it I always had a piece of him in my heart like, "Yeah, this church stuff sounds right, but like not exactly." And so I always kind of had this little weird piece inside myself that I held on to. And even though my grandma, when I went with her at 12, things became very strict and structured and Mormonism and D because she was in it. She was a temple rights Mormon. My mom wasn't, you know, she was doing all the things. It got very deep and you know she's pushing me because you know her husband was a convert. He also wasn't doing the things. It was pretty wild to be honest. He was a biker and her kids didn't make it right. Like none of them. So there is extreme pressure on me like the the extra kid, right? Like to do the things. But also, you go to jail and visit your aunts and they got crazy uh crayon makeup on and you know toilet paper things for curlers and you kind of go, "Yeah, I don't want to be like her." So, no offense to people. I'm just saying as a child, as a little kid, you're like, "I don't want to be locked in a room and have toilet paper thingies in my hair. Like, this is when you could visit with the phone." And so, it scared me, you know? And so, I just thought, well, grandma seems to have it together, right? Like, she's okay. She she just goes to church a lot. Like that's okay cuz they hide everything. So the church is loving and wonderful and kind and helpful and their youth programs are wonderful and everything is very good until you go to the temple. Everything changes when you make that step. Which is why so many people say, "I've been to a Mormon church. It's fine. I've never seen any of that weird stuff. It's fine." Or, um, I went, you know, this and this and this and I was fine. Well, how indoctrinated were you? Did you have a mental breakdown when you went through? Cuz I kind of did. Not truly, but like I had this pause. And so I think part of that was because God was truly trying to speak to me though I was defiant as possible. I was like, "No, this is what we do to be a good person and that's what I want to be and I want to be a good person." And so I did and I got married extremely young because I didn't want to make a physical mistake as I had found a very serious boyfriend and I was 17. My grandma who got married at 14 didn't seem to have a problem with me getting married at 17. So they signed a way for me to marry a 25-year-old. They didn't force it. I wasn't um I didn't have to have my husband chosen for me or any weird stuff like that. That's all in the LDS, you know. Um, but it's it's after that where he became a Mormon later because he was a Roman Catholic and you have to wait some time to go through the temple together. And so, you know, we waited a year, you have to pay your tithing and do all these prerequisites to go through. And by that time, I was very pregnant and um because we'd been married like 16 months or something. I think so I was like 8 months pregnant cuz immediately I just wanted to be a mother. That was all I ever wanted to do was be a mom.

>> And because you me and because you mentioned it real quick, >> you know, so like so they want to see like three years uh tithing uh consistency before you go to temple or something. Uh like like with people in our Christian tradition, they have no idea. I mean you tithe, you don't tithe. You know, for most Christians it's like ah, you know, ah the tide ah you know but but in Mormonism the tithe is like can you explain that real quick?

>> Okay so people this is not like you pass the bowl and you give of your heart which is how God what does God say in the Bible? He doesn't want your money unless you want to give it to him right.

>> Yeah. And so this is not that this is very pressured. This is an exact 10% of your earnings. And when I say your earnings, I mean your birthday money as a child. I mean every gift you've ever received. Not a not a toy, but a money gift. Um anything that you're bringing in other than gambling, which is very Templar of them, but anyway. Um, so they want that money and they want it at a expense of when you get your taxes done, you go in then for tithing settlement and you sit down with your bishop and you take your W TWS and your taxes and all your things and you show them this is how much money I made. And I remember I paid on my net instead of my gross and they said absolutely not. You have to pay on your gross. And I said we are barely scraping here. Like we are not making a lot of money. I had had a whole bunch of health challenges. I was in school. They didn't care. They're like, "You know what? What we'll do is you you pay us and we'll give you food." They have a wonderful welfare program. They do their own welfare. They make their own food. They can their own food. They have their own meals, which should scare people. Um because look, these people are the second largest farmland farm people. Every time I quote this quote, people are like, "That's not the biggest land over in America." Listen, land owner farming, that's all. Bill Gates is one and they are two. So, for farming only. And it's interesting because we know this. Bill Gates is also their number one portfolio choice on their re like all of their stuff in the stock market. So, don't tell me they're not working together because you want your number one to do well. You want your number one to go far. and and their other ones are very interesting as well like Amazon and you know all the thing Alphabet it it's all those so you know they're a huge conglomerate that has all this power and all this wealth and all this land and they're self-sufficient they don't need anyone but they will give you food and then they get a double back on it and here's how if they give me food and I pay my tithing they get the money and then they get a tax deduction on top of it

>> no Yeah. No wonder they want to get your food for you.

>> Not saying it's not charitable. I'm just saying it's got a back end. Everything does.

>> Wow.

>> Wow.

>> And because I was deficient on my status that year, I could not get my temple recommend to go to the temple. But what we did to make that up because we were very poor is we became janitors for the church buildings and scrub toilets and all these things. Not out of our hearts. Now, if you're doing that for a church out of your wonderful um well-being and heart, that's different. We were forced to do that with all these kids at home trying to figure this out, you know, and and having jobs on top of it and going to school and all this stuff and then go scrub the toilets at the church. And so, we were that for months. In fact, nothing that is done in any of those buildings, whether it be clergy or housekeeping, is ever a paid position. Not ever. It is assigned to you. So,

>> wow, that is fascinating.

>> So, you said there was a there was a massive shift that took place when you guys finally went to uh to temple there and and I'm not familiar with that with that process. I I know that there's some sort of rituals and maybe something that involves underwear. I don't know. But you said that something kind of something kind of shifted for you.

>> Yes. And and I'll go into this deeper when I have the photos up, but just so like for a basis, um when we went to the temple, after you do all the things that they want you to do, it's kind of like a checkbox and then you do these temple prep classes that teach you nothing. Um basically, I think they're screening you cuz remember they're all threeletter agencies anyway. Like the Mormons and the CIA are one one and the same. Um I Yeah, I think they're psyching this crazy stuff. Yes. I think they're psychologically checking to see if you are you a yes ma'am. Are you a yes man? Like come on. Let's see what you're willing to do. Are you willing to scrub the toilets? Are you are you indoctrinated enough to keep your mouth shut? And so, you know, yes, we were at some point. They don't teach you any of the stuff. And people always say, "Well, go to the temple open houses and go see for yourself. It's nothing." Are they doing rituals while you're going through there? No. No, they're not. Like I love the LDS people that come back at me and say stuff like that because I'm like you and I both know this temple hasn't been dedicated. So right before it gets dedicated, they let the public go through. Nothing is sacred at all until it gets dedicated. And so on top of it, they're not going to have all the people in their white clothes doing their rituals, you know, while you're walking through it. That's bananas. They're not. And they're also not going to show you the deepest stuff. Like there's tunnels underneath the Salt Lake City temples and they use them and they admit it and it's all out there. Like I'm not crazy. It's real. I mean it's just it's very hidden. So do I think they have hidden knowledge and hidden rooms and hidden secrets for the anointed? Yeah, I know they do. So it changed for me. It broke me a little. Back in the day when they would do these kinds of initiations for the initiates, they would oftentimes use drugs to get them to the point to have like a vision or a whatever, you know, this thing that you're supposed to do. But now with the Mormons, they do it with kind of messing with you like and you're scared and you don't know and it's the unknowing. It's no different than the Freemasons and being hoodwinkedked, right? Like everybody knows, but the Mormons don't know. And that is so unfair because you have no idea going into this, what you're really signing up for, what oath you're really going to take, the things you're really doing or anything about them. And that's why when people say, "Well, you're a traitor." And they used to slit necks for this. I'm like, "That's lovely, but you know what? I never said I would keep weird secrets for the Templars." Okay. I never wanted to be initiated into your gnostic stuff that you're teaching over here. I thought this was about God. I thought this was about like God, regular Christian God, you know. Um, and they never explain it. They never do.

>> I'm guessing that the that that that temple ritual that you go through that that the outcome, the desired outcome is to have complete control over you. And I'm guessing that they are doing things to um I I would imagine that fear is a huge component of that and I imagine that some sort of shame would be a a component of that ritual as well. Would that would that be right?

>> Yes. because um much like scientology, you starting at age 12 start to go in and have meetings with your bishops to see if you're worthy and you're alone and you're a girl or a guy, but my my my husband's an ex Mormon, too. We both talked about this. Um and you you have to go in and they're like, "Are you morally clean? Do you masturbate?" And and that's not good enough. How do you do it? What do you think about? What do you do? How does that Yeah. Did you accomplish you know what you were going for? All these things are specific and they're writing the whole time you're talking. And this goes in your file. You have a file permanently for the rest of your life. Whether you're in that church or not, they're not destroying that file. And they won't let you ever see it ever.

>> And they make all these notes in there about you. And then you never ever get to see it. And this happens every six months for your whole life until you die. So,

>> wow, wow, wow.

>> Yeah, it's control. And when you go through the temple, it's the ultimate control because you're learning these things that you think you need to go to heaven. Secret handshakes to pass the angels and sentinels at the veil. By the way, people, if you're good, if you're Mother Teresa, or that's a bad example now, but you know, back in the day, uh, we'll just say use that one. And she gets there. She's a chase, benevolent woman and she's the best lady ever. If she don't know those handshakes, sorry lady gots to go

>> to the basement.

>> Yeah, to the basement.

>> To the seller

>> to go wait. You got to wait to get your work done for you. Well, what does that mean? What does get your work done for you mean? Well, that means some nice soul on the other side of the veil is going to go through for the first time only once for themselves where you receive your magical new name. Just like in magic. Uh, why do they give you a new name? Well, if you know somebody's name in magic, we'll just put it in magic. Then you know how to control them because that's a secret name that no one else knows.

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>> Do they do anything with it? Well, I sure hope not, but how much you want to bet they do? Um, and so I've renounced all of this, right? Like, and and they do all of this to reinvent you as a new person, right? And the Gnostics will say, "Yeah, that's how it's supposed to be. That's great." You know, but I'm like, is it though? Like, at what point do you draw the line here between what God says we should have left behind in the Old Testament? Right? I thought when he hung everything on the cross, it was over. Like, that's what I was told. But they don't do that so much. So it gets confusing. You know, they're mixing these theologies and it becomes very occultic in nature. And you know, that's why Crowley looked up to Joseph. He knew he had done the things because like recognizes like he knew.

>> Yeah. We call it a uh a familiar spirit.

>> Yep. Absolutely. Well, many many of them because after the first time you go through

>> two people, same demon.

>> Yeah. And after you go through for the first time for yourself, well, what are they doing in the temple every day then, right? They want you to go all the time. That's because you're going for dead people. So now you become that dead person that day. You just go and they give you this slip of paper with a little name on it. And I'm not going for Martha Anderson or Martha whatever you know, whoever that day you get this slip of paper and and they're like, "Now you are Martha.

>> You are going as them. Yes, you are going by.

>> You're not going for them. You're going as them.

>> Proxy.

They'll tell you it is for proxy. Wow.

And this is where it becomes necromancy because how do you know they're a good person anyways? And and number two, why are they still here? And number three, like you're doing them for people like Hitler. They did Hitler. Like I don't understand what you're doing with that, you know, but this is what they do.

And and I understand with Hitler. Is there any sort of like I would to me if if you're doing that that there would be a um almost a like a soul tie. Yeah, that's how I was going to say it with a soul tie. Not even with that person, but with like with like like a deceptive altar like I could see like I think that I've got this new attachment to my grandpa, but instead I've got a soul tie with this deceptive altar that's appearing. Is there that kind of thing? Like do they ever become possessed by by the that lineage or anything like that?

So, here's what they'll do and say, and they've changed this and say, "Oh, that was just metaphorical." Okay, I don't think it was. I'm going to give you an example of a time when, you know, Mormons are very into the spiritual realm. In fact, I don't think it was ever poo pooed about like don't play with tarot cards or don't, you know, they're very into that little mystical part of things. They don't encourage it, per se, but I don't know that you you're not encouraged to have interactions with spirits because they're doing all this stuff for dead people. And Joseph Smith himself saw what? He saw an angel.

But but did he do he see an angel? No, wait. He was a dead guy that was alive. Now he's coming to him and talking to him. He's not an angel. He's a dead guy, which is a spirit. So, you know, when we get into the weeds of this, it gets confusing because they want to say it was an angel, but you and I both know anyone that lived on the earth is not an angel. We aren't yet, right? We're way, we will become as angels later, but then I don't think you're coming back down here right now. Like, come on. Um, you know, none of that's going to happen already. And so, it's not biblical.

So when Joseph saw that spirit by the way whom he called Lord the first time he saw it, the first time he saw it in the first account he said he saw one not God the father and Jesus Christ which is the official story. The first story which his cousin his brother no nephew his nephew ripped out of his journal and got caught for it because some people knew some stuff and he he got called out and he had to give it back and it was a whole thing. Um, you know, he said Lord, and Lord is interesting. Lord is a weird word. I try hard not I'm trying to break myself from saying that just because it doesn't always mean God. And so we are looking at things that oftentimes mean other things. And you know I try to be as um specific as I can now like the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob or Jesus the Nazarene. Like because Nazareth wasn't even a place then. So, like I'm trying to be like like very specific, right? Like this is like um as best as I can. Yeah.

I think what's helpful with that um in the occult and that sort of thing, it's all about like your word choice. So, the words are what dictate or unlock realms, right? But for the believer, um it's not about the word choice, it's about the spirit. And so when you have the Holy Spirit, uh, not to be flippant, you could call God dude and you don't have to worry about accessing a principality or power, but when you're in the occult, you can't just do that because it's the word choice that creates the ritual that creates it. It's like a a specifically cut key. And that's kind of cool for for the Christian in that like you don't have to have the right you don't have to have the right word choice when you have the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the key, which is really cool because sometimes people can be in fear that they're going to like access the wrong Jesus or they're going to access uh but when you have the Holy Spirit and then how do you have the Holy Spirit for people that are stumbling on this if you don't know it's Jesus, you know, when you uh you know and uh and then how can you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord? Only by the spirit. Only by the Holy Spirit. And I think that that's helpful and that Heidi, I wanted to ask you about that. Um, you knew kind of a perverted form of Jesus. Oh, for sure. Like a spirit. And the spirit. And the spirit. Yeah. Yet you had a very authentic relationship with God. So you were a Mormon and all this, but you had a real relationship with God. How did you How did you actually come to know Jesus outside of that perversion? Was that hard? Was that like Yeah. Yeah.

It was just desperation as a child. But then eventually, right, I've been in all these works and doing all this weird stuff. And you know, my mom got out of the Mormon church first and so did my uncle. They both became born again Christians. Praise God. Wow. And my mom became what's called a Steven's minister. I don't know if you guys have that, but um it's kind of like helping minister to sick people. Um Oh, cool. Cool. Cool. And so she did that and I remember me and my grandma were Yeah. Mormons are the nicest people till you're alone and you know the secrets like you're another Mormon because then they talk some crap. And we were talking crap on my mom and we were saying like she goes to rock and roll Jesus church. That's a weird like Jesus wouldn't listen to rock and roll. Like that's just demonic and blah blah blah. And we were really, you know, going off about it. And you know, I remember thinking that's so weird that she did that. And it's so sad. My grandma would say she just doesn't know. She doesn't have the full truth because the Mormons are the only true church in the world. Um, period and restored and true masonry, just FYI. So, you know, um, because they say that. And so, you know, thinking getting myself away from thinking that way. I They call it true masonry. Oh, yep. Mormons have the true masonry. This is a whole quote like in the middle of of a church speech. Yeah. I can't remember which one said it, but I can find it easily while we're chatting. I keep going. Sorry. Sorry, I I I just want to make sure I caught that. You're good.

And they say, uh, Mormons are the only ones with the true masonry. And and I I will find the name of the guy. I want to say Pratt, but I can't I don't want to misquote. So, I need to add that to my slideshow. But, um, so long story short, my mom would plant these tiny seeds. She's like, you know, Jesus doesn't uh believe in this or that. You know, Jesus, you don't have to do d all these weird ritual things that you do. I don't know what you do, but like, you know, God loves you. And I'm like, yeah, okay. You just don't know. You just are so ignorant. You don't know. Like, you're so pompous. You just are, oh my gosh, you just you are. You you're better than everyone else. And that's how you feel. And so, you know, it was hard. And I remember thinking, she's just going to go to hell. This is so sad, you know. And my mom would plant these tiny seeds. And my mom's a really nice lady. Like, she got over all the things. She divorced the guy. She's so much better. like she's trying to live for Jesus. And you know, I would see her doing well. And I remember thinking, gosh, she's just so crazy. And then my uncle one time he came up and he said, "You know what the Mormons do in their temple?" And I was like 12. And he's like, "They do this." And it's to signify slitting their throats. And I was like, "Ah." Like I freaked all out. Started crying. And like, you know, told to my grandma, "Do you do that? You don't do that. You're so nice. You're such a good lady." And she's like, "Sh, we don't do that." She was telling the truth because they stopped doing that in 1980. And really so yeah, it it changed and they quit doing the blood o swearing. Now does that mean blood is built? No. No. I'm talking about symbolic blood o people always that's not real. Yes, it's real. It just stopped. Look look it up. Do a Google. Um so you know they stopped doing that. And so she was right. She wasn't lying. But even if she was, there was something called lying for the Lord that the Mormons do to this day. And they will lie for the Lord. They will bleed the beast. They they will do many many many things that go against what you might think a Mormon would do because they're such good people. So, wow. Lying for the Lord. And bleeding the beast. Wow.

Bleeding the beast is um an LDS term because they hate the government. And Mormons took an oath of vengeance against the government up until I think it was 1978 as well that they would bring havoc against the government for helping them them helping kill Joseph Smith. And then they had a whole order of the black sticks. And what they did is they got these coffin canes. This is great. Made from the dead juices of the coffins. when they dug up, they decided to dig him up cuz who doesn't want to dig up their dead prophet? So, they dig him up and his brother and they get the coffins all with their yucky goo all over and they make these coffin canes out of oak, which is important. Um, and they make them, you know, into these canes and then in the knobs, I have pictures of these. These are still available to be seen at the church museum. I am not making this up. There's hair of both of the brothers inside of the knob. Ah, tell me this isn't necromancy. Tell me this isn't like hair and teeth. So disgusting. So disgusting. I'm just like, okay. And yeah, I didn't even question the teeth. But but what we do know is they're very interested in Skull and Bones, right? They've helped set up Skull and Bones. Um, you know, they're family members. Who set up Skull and Bones, right? A Taft, right? A Taft. Let's let's get into that cuz I want to get into the um this society of of Cincinnati as well. So, let's do this real quick.

Um guys, we're about to get into some stuff, but it's stuff that maybe um I don't know. Heidi puts some stuff on YouTube. I don't I don't know if I'm ready to. So, uh what we're going to do is we're going to go to the 1010 group and we're going to we're going to go a little bit deeper and it's going to get it's going to get kind of crazy. I'm just I'm just saying guys. It's Heidi Love. That's L UV, not Lov. and it's the Unfiltered Rise podcast. So, Unfiltered Rise podcast. You should follow her on Instagram and uh and on anywhere that you can find podcasts. Her podcast is is is everywhere. And uh and it's and it's crazy. It's it's wild. It it's you're going to hear some stuff about our history. Um and um and there might be stuff that you don't even like. Um, and uh, but I'm telling you, when you know the truth, it will set you free. And yes, there's a certain amount of of exposure that's really uncomfortable. But then all of a sudden, you're going to realize Jesus said to be in this world and not of it.

And uh, and Heidi, I was thinking like, you know, Ecclesiastes and Solomon, right? I was thinking I think there's a lot of different takes on Ecclesiastes, but to me when I read it, I see here's this old guy that is looking at the whole entire system and he's saying I was lied to. I and I was I was li and these are the things that I value. These are the things I counted dear. These are like these were like the pinnacle summit points of the culture. I lived my whole entire life unto the system and I had unfettered access to the spirit world. I had I had as much power as you could, you know. Uh Solomon opened up oultic gates that that are wide open to to this day. And Solomon's sitting there saying, "I I was lied to. I was I you know, I gave my whole entire life to this thing and it screwed me."

The same with Dr. John D. People always say, "She's got an oult book." You are better believe John D was the first one that I knew of that got these angels coming to them that said write all this down and make a book and we're angels and don't you believe us and then swap wives swap wives later. Um, and so it always gets to this weird part, right? Like the angel said what? Uh, and they did it, you know, he's this pious Christian. You would think in some part of his brain he would have be like, "Too far, man. Too far." You know, but they did it. And on and on we see these things like with Mormons. Hey guy, write this book. Polygamy. Hey guy, Muhammad, write this book. Polygamy and child brides. Hey guys, write this book. Elron Hubard. Hey guys, write this book. you know, Babylon workings. Like, come on. Come on. It's always a chneled angel. It's always a chneled angel. Wow.

And and and what's the difference, right? Because people will say, "Well, then you don't believe angels can come and do things for us?" Well, couple things you need to know about angels. First of all, hold on. We're we're gonna do that. But guys, we're going to do that in the 1010 group. So, we will see you there. 1010 group. You can find it darrento.com. Heidi love everyone.