EUGENE SONNY IRVIN : OVERCOMING THE ARCHON AGENDA

Welcome everyone to a call to actions radio, results-based radio. Today is March 1st, 2014. I, Kimberly Schult, Eugene Irvan, and Len Cityy will be speaking with our guest David Bryson. Our subjects today will involve Evolve Fest, Arons, Illuminati, conversation, transhumanism, artificial intelligence, and much more.

I'd like to introduce you to David Bryson. Thank you for being with us today, David. Could you give us some background on how we even started this conversation today?

Sure, yeah. Thank you for inviting me to be on the show. I really appreciate it. Um, so I'd like to start with just giving a a very brief kind of background. Um, you know, what's gotten me to this point now where I, uh, I am running this, um, awesome festival on the East Coast, uh, called Evolve Fest. Anybody can go and check it out online at Evolvefest.com. And it's a music and yoga festival. And, um, I like to think of it more as a movement. That's really what it's turning into. It's really capturing the imagination of our times and the people who are transitioning, uh, during this awakening process, who are kind of tuning into this frequency, this resonance, uh, this consciousness. You know, because we all feel that there's something that wants to be birthed into this world in consciousness. I'm calling it Christ Consciousness. Uh, but this will be our eighth year doing Evolve Fest. And, uh, it really is turning into a movement. Um, we have a Facebook page as well that is currently, uh, gonna be shut down for 30 days, um, which just, I just got banned from my own page, uh, yesterday. Um, but it's, it's a great site. We have, um, a lot of, uh, we're connecting with about four million people around the world at any given time, um, who are seeing the posts. Uh, there we hit a high point last week of a quarter million people who are, um, liking, sharing, or commenting on the posts. And we've got, we just hit 50,000 people in terms of the fans for the page. Uh, so, so that's great to see the growth. And what's really the most beautiful thing about it is the quality of the conversation and discourse that is going on there. You know, it's very ideas-oriented. And, um, people who care about ideas and our world and how, as enlightened people, we should best go about trying to, you know, be the change that we want to see. Um, that kind of stuff constitutes most of the dialogue and conversation going on in the comments section under the posts there.

So, just kind of winding back a little bit, um, you know, as a young guy, I always kind of had a a spiritual bent. I was always interested in things related to, um, philosophy, religion, spirituality. Um, I would get lost in the new age section of bookstores for like eight hours at a clip. And, uh, I've always been an avid reader. And it's always been guided with the sense that at some point in my life, you know, that as we all do, you know, I would be playing in contributing, um, in my own small way towards this great thing that we're moving towards. And, uh, I really see that beginning to, you know, it's, it's blossoming right now with all these world events. Um, and there's so much more that we're moving into in the next few decades. Um, but basically, I remember Kimberly, when we were speaking the other day, we were talking about 9/11, which I know was a wakeup call for so many of us. And I was telling you that my dad actually worked at Aon, which, I think it was on the 94th floor. Um, basically, one of the planes hit that level. And he was not there that day. His own mother passed away that day. So he was in a different office near Philadelphia. So, uh, by the luck of the draw, he was not in the Twin Towers that day. But because it was so close to home for me, I did a lot of, um, you know, I was trying to read and get as much information as I could. And it became pretty apparent to me early on that, you know, we were not getting the full story. And, um, within the first few months, I was down at the County Square in Newton, New Jersey, Sussex County, holding up signs, um, to share information with people about how 9/11 was an inside job. And, you know, it seems that a lot of people have come to that realization at this point. Um, but at that time, I had a very deep political, uh, awakening. I had been somewhat familiar with conspiracy leading up to that time, right around the turn of the millennium. But it was after 9/11 that I really jumped into some, uh, conspiracy sites like Rense.com and became really, uh, aware of what was happening on an international level with Rothschild and Illuminati and bankers and that whole kind of arcane, dark world of occulted knowledge. And, um, that was about three years of really pretty much deep immersion, a very deep, um, awakening, uh, for me, transformation. And it got to the point where I realized that, you know, this is a dark black hole that really never ends. Um, you know, I remember Alan Watts is famous for a saying where he said, you know, once you get the message, hang up the phone. And I realized that, you know, if I really want to use my energy for the good and in the best and wisest way, um, I should now take this knowledge that I have and begin to, you know, be the change that I want to see and enjoin others to do the same, as Gandhi did for us when he made that statement. And that was the time that I decided that, uh, I was going to start a, a music festival and invite people to come be a part of it. And that it would be something that was focused more on consciousness, uh, than than just strictly music. And that's, uh, really the story behind the birth of Evolve Fest. And, um, eight years later, here we are. Um, and we are, you know, pretty, pretty much the only transformational festival of this level on the East Coast. There's a bunch out on the West Coast. Um, but really, uh, right now, we're just trying to get information out. It seems like there's another kind of great awakening happening right now, in terms of people waking up to what's happening on the world stage and the manipulation of the monetary system and currency and and how, how that whole apparatus works. So that kind of brings us up to where I am right now.

Thank you, David. Um, so recently, you had this conversation that attracted this conversation because of what you were doing. Um, obviously making a difference. And I love "be the change." That's actually my, you know, that would be my personal favorite because being the change is being in action and not just talking about what we think we want to change, but we're actually being in the midst of it. So, um, what attracted this conversation to you, do you think? Was it Evolve Fest that, um, brought this Illuminati person to your doorstep in January of this year?

I think that's, that's part of it. I think basically what it is, is it's the, the resonance that I'm putting out there. And I'm not the only one. There's, there's many others. But, um, I'm just kind of following my inner lead. And, um, I don't claim to be, you know, brave or heroic or anything like that. But I have to follow this inner impulse, um, that really kind of pushes me out there to mess with the darkness sometimes. And when I say mess with the darkness, I don't mean in any kind of, um, you know, meaningless kind of way, um, in terms of teasing. But in terms of like, you know, I want to help dismantle tyranny. I want to help dismantle the tyranny of darkness on a spiritual level. So with the knowledge that I have and that I am continuing to try to accumulate, I want to get to the root. I don't want to strike at the root. So that's what I mean by messing with darkness. And I feel like on a spiritual plane, on the one hand, I feel that, um, people who are doing that kind of work have huge protection, massive protection from God, from angelic beings, uh, from all sorts of sources of bad vibration. At the same time, when you're stirring that kind of stuff up, you obviously become the focus of adversarial forces, you know, who don't want to be exposed, um, who, who want to preserve their power base, even on a spiritual level. Um, so I think that that's part of what attracted this conversation. And then on a more kind of an earthly plane, I think Evolve Fest, um, probably attracted this person as well, who I first noticed commenting on some threads, just as a kind of, like, a contributor, but had almost kind of this, um, tone or affect of speech that struck me as a little bit unusual, that made me think, you know, this person is, uh, you know, maybe from another country and they don't know the English language very well. But really, what I came to, to kind of feel intuitively is that we were dealing with more of a kind of an alien or, um, inorganic intelligence, or or even archontic intelligence, as we go to speak about archons later. Um, and this person, I think I forget our very first exchange, it was probably on a thread someplace. But they had then sent me a letter to private message me, which really began to kick off the dialogue. And, um, unless anybody has any other questions in the moment, what I'd like to do is just to read the very brief intro to the first letter, because that will pro, that will give some people some, uh, you know, some kind of, um, basis for for understanding how this emerged.

Yes, please.

Okay, so, um, so by the way, this, you can view this. Anybody who wants to read these transcripts, um, this, this is basically a couple hundred exchanges over the course of two months, starting in January of 2014 up until about two weeks ago. And what I did is I created on Facebook under my personal name, which is David Bryson. You can find me, David Bry. There's, there's a lot of David Bryson's out there, actually. Um, but if you find the avatar, the picture, it's kind of like a, a profile side shot of my head with kind of techy colors, um, over my head. So that would be the avatar to look for if a bunch of David Bryson's pop up. And then if you click on my notes section, um, you will see these notes. And the other way you can access them, actually, is by going to the Evolve Fest page on Facebook. And I pinned to the very top of the page, um, a post that has all the links to these transcripts, which ended up being six, um, notes because there's a limit to the amount of words you can put in one note. So I'd like to share from the part one of my conversation with an Illuminati globalist transhumanist. It starts off by saying, "This is the transcript of a dialogue that was initiated by a member of the Illuminati with me in January 2014. I make no claims as to the authenticity of the information shared with me, but I present it to the world for informational purposes. For all I know, this could have been an elaborate hoax. It is healthy to always maintain a defense of plausible deniability, but my gut instinct, my truth center, tells me it may be something more." Some of the creepiest quotes from the conversation: "Quote, 'Yes, we are the 666, understood as the human race's biggest fears, because we are moving into the world, we are moving the world into transhuman, the new era is the mark in systems.' Unquote." Elsewhere, this individual said, "I am the Luciferian head consciousness orchestrating the NWO, or New World Order." And then a third quote, and by the way, this one is what was from one of our very last conversations where the tone of this individual entity escalated, where they were typing in all caps. So I won't shout it, but if you can understand that what I'm reading to you is from all caps, you will understand this was kind of like this high, high energy that, uh, that this person was communicating with. Quote, 'No human will be allowed to walk this Earth from now to 2040. There is drastic changes. Many people are going to die. Accidents will be sped up. Natural disasters will be orchestrated to kill many. Medication for illness will be the poison to every human. Everything will be set up to kill humans. Genocide will be orchestrated for rapid deaths. The sifting genocide. Those that survive will be placed in our systems.' Unquote." And then back to my note, "Keep in mind, this individual is a main player at the online transhumanism hub, the 2045 Initiative, which you guys can find at 2045.com. And this, this person told me that she has regular meetings with the Russian founder of the 2045 Initiative, Dimitri Itskov." And, uh, I'll leave it at that. Was the intro? And then it goes right into the, the dialogue.

Thank you, David. We, um, we cover a lot of this in "A Call to Actions" and our "Timeline to Truth" about how it even begins with, um, Berkeley creating complex systems and having a PowerPoint, um, that talks about modeling in an artificial universe. And they begin with, begin complex system 666. So we believe that this is some matrix, if you will, that is being, uh, through artificial intelligence, is being guided. You know what I mean? It comes down to it. I feel it's like it's a spiritual war. That this is a war for souls. And that through these archons, that they are trying to manipulate us to either consciously or unconsciously, um, give up our souls by offering us these avatars and all this, you know, they try to play it up like it's something cool. But to me, it's, it's trickery. I mean, do you want to go into elaborating on that?

Sure, sure. Something that, um, jumped out to me when you mentioned Berkeley and, and these studies on creating artificial universes. Um, you can find on YouTube a videotape of, uh, James Holmes, I think it was, who was the shooter in Colorado, right? The Batman theater. I think it was James Holmes. And he was a brilliant, um, computer science genius who is actually working with somebody who's definitely DARPA level, high level Berkeley, NASA, um, in computer science. And, and he was actually, like, a protégé of, of this distinguished computer scientist. And they were working specifically on, uh, simulated reality, matrix systems. So that's just kind of something that popped up if anybody wants to follow that out. But, yeah, what appears to be happening.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt on that. It's James Holmes, actually. And his father was actually in, he was involved with DARPA. He was part of DARPA. So as far as I see it, his father fronted off his own son. That's what, that's the intuition I get.

Yes, thanks for the, thanks for the correction. Yes, go ahead.

But anyway, that's all I wanted to say for now.

Right. Another interesting point too, uh, in terms of his father, he had created software for, for the FICO scores that everybody gets for their credit score ratings. You know, that three-digit number by which, you know, the relative goodness of your, uh, uh, credit is assessed. So you've got like these agencies like, uh, Equifax and, uh, and Trans-something, Trans-. There's, there's three main places. He actually created an algorithm that could help detect fraud, um, in banking systems. And that's why you, you heard for a while that he was involved with this whole LIBOR scandal, which is a whole other, I mean, this whole thing is like an octopus. But the LIBOR scandal involves the, the London, the London Interbank Offered Rate, whereby they adjust interest rates, uh, by which banks trade with one another. And basically, in a nutshell, what happened is they ripped off global investors around the world, common people's money, to the tune of $800 trillion dollars. And supposedly, Holmes was going to be called in to testify in the LIBOR hearings, which are totally secretive and still underway in Brooklyn, New York. And, interestingly, the father of the Sandy Hook shooter, Peter Lanza, was also going to be called in to testify because he worked at Ernst & Young, which is an accounting firm in New York City. Adam's brother, Ryan, is also an accountant there. And you never hear this. Peter was a, um, was a partner, was a, uh, a senior partner at Ernst & Young. And Ernst & Young was hired by the bank at the center of the LIBOR scandal back in 2011 to do the accounting. And they got, they paid $1 million. And my, my thought was that these guys essentially cooked the books, you know, to make these companies look, uh, solvent. And then when it got all busted open, you know, wide open in 2012 with the LIBOR scandal, uh, later in the year, you have the whole incident with, first, the Colorado shootings, with the one father who's supposed to testify in the LIBOR hearings. And then the other father who could have blown it all, all up, essentially saying, you know, yes, you know, I, our, our firm cooked the books for these banks. You know, he was, his son was involved with the Sandy Hook frame-up. But that's, that's all on the side. I mean, we could open this up in so many directions. But just wanted to bring that information out because nobody knows that Peter Lanza was a senior partner at Ernst & Young and did the accounting for the banks at the heart of the LIBOR scandal. So I just want to get that out there too. Um, but back to the, these matrix realities. So, um, there is a spiritual battle going on. There's no doubt in my mind. I'm an unapologetic theist. I've always had an, you know, a resonant faith in God. I was not raised in a religious household. Did not go to church growing up. Um, I did pursue my own spiritual path throughout life. But it's very clear to me that, you know, we live in a fractal reality. And there's definitely alternate dimensions. "As above, so below" is the first maxim of hermetic wisdom. And there's a lot contained in that. And one of the things that we can draw is that whatever we see manifesting and precipitating on the physical plane is also happening on other planes as well. So even if we don't take, you know, literally the, uh, biblical narrative of the rebellion and fall of Lucifer, we can still draw immense truth from the fact that it's mythopoetic and that it speaks in archetypes, concerning realities and verities that certainly concern our human existence. So, um, um, I think that we can lean on a lot of these great, you know, world wisdom traditions, slash religions, you know, and not castigate them simply because, uh, they have been co-opted, co-opted in some cases by by bad people with with poor agendas. But there's a little, you know, there's a grain of truth and in all of these great traditions. And there's definitely a spiritual battle going on, essentially between the forces of light and darkness. We live in a realm of duality. But at the same time, too, there's a oneness that pervades it all. So that we can literally, you know, switch back between viewpoints, almost like when you look at a stereogram, you know, that image, that two-dimensional picture that if you relax your eyes, all of a sudden it pops into with a with a 3D depth. That would be similar to the effect of seeing, um, unity or, you know, moving into what is called the, uh, the unitive vision, where you can see the interconnectedness of all things. But at the same time, we do live in a world where, you know, duality is our experience. And that's why it's important to take action and to and to put out calls to action for good people to, you know, to strive to work to labor together, to create brilliant strategies to overcome the agendas of people who are who are injurious to the planet and to other human beings. And, uh, it's not just people, it's also spiritual entities as well.

Can you go into what exactly is an archon and how exactly do they work to manipulate humanity?

Sure, sure. Um, so archons, to make it real simple, are essentially like demons. Um, in fact, wherever, um, a religious tradition, whether it's Islam with the Jinn (J-I-N-N), or the Vedic tradition with, uh, their Devas and Asuras, or the Judaic-Christian tradition with, uh, with demons or fallen angels, I think that these are all talking about the same kind of entities. And even more recently, with, you know, in our generation, there are two, um, noteworthy, um, credible, um, historians and researchers who have come to the same conclusion. One is named John Keel, who actually just passed away a couple years back. You might be familiar with him through the, the, the book turned into a movie, "The Mothman Prophecies." But John Keel wrote a book called "Operation Trojan Horse," where his thesis is that all throughout human history, all occult phenomena, whether it's fairies or will-o'-the-wisps or UFOs or manifestations of this that or the other thing in all times, cultures, traditions, are essentially the same consciousness manifesting in different forms. That was his culminating thesis as a parapsychology researcher of over 50 years. Still with us is Graham Hancock, who is famous for his book, "Fingerprints of the Gods," about, um, ancient civilizations and how advanced they were. And he wrote a book about three years ago called "Supernatural: Mankind's, you know, Roots with Higher Beings." I can't think of the subtitle right now. But this, this is his thesis as well. As an archaeologist, historian, a world traveler, an expert in all these traditions, Graham sums up in this thick tome exactly what John said, which is that all of these manifestations throughout all ages in all cultures, traditions, are essentially the same consciousness manifesting in different guises. Okay. And they would say, because we now live in an advanced technological age, that's why we see a lot of UFO activity. That's why people see, you know, gray aliens, um, you know, in abduction cases. I should mention another noteworthy author who is, it's very important to get your hands on his book, "Not in His Image." And the name of the author is John Lamb Lash (L-A-S-H). And this book, well, before I jump into the book, let me mention that John Lash is the foremost authority in world mythology. A lot of people view him as the rightful successor to Joseph Campbell, who's famous for the interviews with Bill Moyers, in "The Power of Myth." And John wrote a book on Gnosticism called "Not in His Image: Gnostic Vision, Sacred Ecology, and the Future of Belief." And getting to the heart of what John is communicating in this book is, uh, Gnostic theory. He also goes deeply into Gnostic theory on his website, which is metahistory.org. And you can read his articles there. But probably the most intriguing factoid that emerges from this, this great book, um, is the fact that these brilliant men and women, the Gnostics, these are people who were philosophers. They were conversant with with religion, history, philosophy. Gnostic, Gnostics, um, come from the Greek word "gnosis," which has, which basically means knowledge. You can see the kind of connections in the words. And specifically, knowledge of the divine. And what separates the Gnostics from, let's just say, people of simple faith, is that the Gnostics believed that the human being could actually encounter by direct experience the divine being. That it's not something that you have to, you know, dream about as some far-away experience that only, you know, super spiritual people have. But that the divine experience, the direct transcendental encounter with the divine other, is within the reach of every person. And so the Gnostics, um, were were all about, uh, philosophy and, and, you know, kind of like, you know, cosmic philosophy, the backstory of creation, you know, the problem of evil, why, why we are where we are. And, and at the heart of Gnostic theory is the idea that this world is created by a sub-deity, not by the original Prime Creator. You can almost, uh, see in a fractal sense, how we are created by, uh, you know, the Source, by the divine ultimate source, as many creators. We are replicas of the divine creator. And that's what it means to say that we are created in the image and likeness of the divine. We have, uh, creative capacity. So in a sense, as we build our lives individually, and we create our families, and we generate, um, we, um, we in a sense are creating worlds. So if you extrapolate it out one fractal, you know, a fractal above human existence, it's not difficult to imagine that there could be higher beings endowed with incredible, um, unthinkable creative force and power and intelligence who, um, who build solar systems and planets and universes, perhaps. So this whole idea of jumping to the conclusion that like, oh, this world that we live upon, uh, was created by the Prime Creator, um, you know, I would say there's a cop-out to that. The divine creator invests all of creation with creative force. So all creative force draws upon that original power. But the Gnostic theory says that a sub-deity, a lower being, actually created this planet, was given jurisdiction over it, and basically blundered. That's why we have the problems that we see in this world. That's why there's a threat of insanity that kind of runs through our experience. And that's why, you know, it's so difficult to really come down with a solid explanation for the, uh, the, the, the fact of evil in our world. So the Gnostics were saying, you know, in the Old Testament, the Jewish God, this tribal war god named Jehovah, who commanded the Israelites to go into Canaan and to slay all of the men and to take the virgins as property and to take all the gold, uh, you know, for themselves as booty. And in other cases, to go and kill every breathing thing. You know, these, these commands that if we, if we heard these commands coming from a fellow human being, we would condemn their actions as unethical. And yet people are okay with reading these descriptions in the Old Testament of this barbarian, capricious god of judgment and wrath. And then, of course, in the New Testament, you have the advent of this new messenger, you know, Jesus Christ, who is referring to his father, who he, he, in all the ways that he demonstrates in character, because he says, you know, "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father." So he was the, he was the living embodiment of his own highest ideal of what the Father is, which is kindness, ultimate love, purity of heart and intention, light. So the, said we're talking about two different beings here altogether. Um, and they go on to talk about, to, to warn humanity specifically of these beings that they referred to as archons. Now, if you go to the original Greek texts, because they wrote in Greek, at least the Gnostics, there was a huge Gnostic renaissance, right around the, the time of the advent of Christ and, and the birthing of Christianity as a movement. There was a renaissance of Gnostic thought. And in their writings, they, they went to great length. Again, these are brilliant men and women. These are not like cooky, you know, tin foil hat wearing nutters. These are people who had a dire warning to communicate, not just to their contemporaries, but as a gift to the future. You know, and that's why it's touching and reaching our generation, that this knowledge is becoming accessible again. They refer to these beings that they called archons. They even describe them in a way that, that they refer to them looking almost like fetal, as in like infantile, which is why a lot of people think that when you see these gray aliens, that this may be a manifestation of the archons. But in truth, they can really take, you know, any form they choose. But what John Lash goes into in his book, "Not in His Image," is the fact that the archons, you know, leveled this warning to all humanity and said, "Listen, there are these behind-the-scenes parasitical entities. They invade the mind. They make humans able to commit atrocities upon other human beings." And there's no other species on this planet that commits atrocities based from the ego upon other members of its species. So what is this insane, um, this insane effect that can be produced in the human mind? You know, and John, and what the Gnostics are saying, is that this is evidence of what they call the aration of human consciousness. And he would say that the main purpose, the main goal of these archons, are to divert, divert humanity from their true and proper course. So in an evolutionary sense, if we look at, you know, the evolution of consciousness, we are moving into a divine flowering as a human species. There's a lot more to the human story to come. But these archons, whose main goal is to divert humanity from its proper course, are trying to, in a sense, ruin this experiment and keep the inevitable from happening. So it really is a battle. On the one hand, God and the forces of light are seeking to invest humanity with such inspiration, with such visions of beauty and kindness and inspiration and philosophical idealism, that their divine flowering is inevitable, and all the bliss that would come with that. And on the other hand, there's adversarial forces that literally want to reduce humanity to the beastial, to make them like brute beasts, you know, killing one another, killing one another for for petty gain. So really, um, that's the story of the archons. Is that these are, um, beings that exist on a higher vibrational frequency, or or lower, and they can manifest into this, um, into our visible, uh, uh, light spectrum. So that, you know, in some cases, they can be seen. But most cases, they want to work behind the scenes. And they are also sustained by our life force, which when you get into the occult literature surrounding archons and these parasitic beings, and if you've ever experienced night terrors, you know, a lot of people think, and I personally think, that this is what's going on, is that you have essentially a, you know, a lower astral entity who is siphoning life force. Because we carry the seed of the divine within us, which is another aspect of Gnostic theory, is that there's a spark of divinity. It's literally like a free energy device within each one of our souls. And that these beings, for whatever reason, want to milk us for this. So I know it sounds all crazy, and, you know, it's a lot of information right there. So I, I just want to give a chance for anybody, if you have any questions or want to add any thoughts to that.

I just had something I wanted to touch on, David. And that is, um, you know, when we say that these archons want to, you know, operate kind of outside of the visible light spectrum that we're able to to see. And, and which ways do you see them trying to do that? And is it possible that they do that through technological means, or, or what do you see going on there?

Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, if you think about the electromagnetic wave spectrum, it's infinite, okay? Um, uh, and if you look at the actual visible light spectrum, which is a tiny, infinitesimal little section of the infinite electromagnetic wave spectrum, okay? So it's all relative. But if we kind of like blow up that little window, what we see is the five, you know, the seven bands of color, which accord with our chakras, right? The lowest chakra, the root chakra, is associated with red, which is the lowest, um, vibrating color frequency. And as you come up the color scale, you next come to orange, and then to yellow, and then to green, and then to blue, and then to indigo, and then to violet. So violet is the highest, uh, frequency in terms, literally, the vibrating wavelengths that produce the effect of violet are vibrating at a higher frequency or rate of spin. And the, the term in physics used to describe that is valence, or valence is the rate of spin of atoms. So imagine with me now, we can't see what's beyond violet, but there's plenty there, infinitely so. And we cannot see below red, but likewise, there's plenty more infinitely below. I believe that in a metaphysical sense, that hell, the hellish or lower astral realms are those which exist, those entities, those experiences, those worlds, which are lower down on the band of the electromagnetic wave spectrum. So you can think of it, just for the sake of argument, as below red would be the hellish realms. And then if you move up the, the color spectrum, the rainbow of, you know, moving up, we move into the higher bliss realms or the heavenly realms. So up and above the violet, which we cannot see, we're moving infinitely up towards a higher frequency, um, realm, which could also be described as the Buddha fields or bliss realms or even heaven. So to answer your questions, how do they manifest? I'm sure that they use, um, technologies, some of which are etheric, that involve actual, um, uh, apparatus that we cannot even, not only can we not see, but we can't even conceive of it. And I know this because, uh, of my own experience and from having read literally thousands of eyewitness reports and encounter reports of people who have, who have experienced DMT and have gone into other dimensions, totally lucid. Because with the DMT experience, it's not like, you know, uh, you're drunk or high where you're a little bit intoxicated and can't think straight. The people who have this experience actually say, while you're having it, the real sensibility is that this is more real than real. And that real, you know, our normal waking consciousness, like we're having right now, talking on this phone conversation, is kind of like the dream. But when you're in those higher realms, there's things that go on. And I've, I've heard many, uh, many accounts of these entities, these beings. And I'm not ready to judge them. I'm not, you know, because that's the thing about DMT, it has a lot to do with your personal resonance. So that if you are kind of resonating in a hellish or lower astral way on a personal energetic level in your consciousness, you will probably attract through sympathetic vibration similar experiences and entities if you're in those other dimensions. And same, you know, applies if, if you're, you know, divinely qualified, um, or, you know, vibrating in a, in a bliss, you know, more blissful energy, you'll probably attract more blissful experiences and beings. And this is in accord with chapter, I think it's chapter 17 in the Bhagavad Gita, The Gem of Vedic Wisdom, where it describes the, um, the angelic qualities and the demoniac qualities. So these entities will use literally crystals. I remember one guy saying there was this one entity that was like a gorilla, like this ape, that came up and pushed a, um, a crystal right into his head, into the center of his brain. So we have these experiences in our energetic body or astral body, which is just an overlay of our physical body. So there are etheric technologies. And this is what concerns me about transhumanism. This whole idea of downloading your consciousness onto a computer chip, you know, so that you can get an avatar or a robot and you can experience technical immortality. So it's literally like the most, um, beguiling and seductive promise, which is the promise of immortality. And what humans don't understand is that we're already immortals. And really, our future depends on how we are aligning in the present, you know, how we are are aligning our energies. But these transhumanists, which, you know, is totally an agenda of these inorganic beings that are essentially like high-level, um, computer intelligence, you know, that's really what they are. Because they lack, ultimately, that spark that comes from the Creator, which is the, uh, intentionality. They, archons can't create things. They can only imitate. That's why they're fixated on simulations, simulated reality. They're experts at simulation. But they hate humans because they're jealous because we have things they don't have. Simple gifts. I mean, they're magical gifts, but they're very simple, like imagination. Like we can dream a dream, and if we focus energy on it, it will begin to precipitate into reality, which is what the Law of Attraction teaches us. And the power of intentionality, that we can simply set our intentions, and it's like literally like dropping a seed in the higher realms, and that, you know, whatever it is that we're wanting to manifest takes immediate form in our imagination, and it actually exists at a higher level, and then over time, it can precipitate into this realm. But the transhumanist agenda wants to beguile this generation, you know, and, and really appeal to, you know, our sensual, uh, uh, addictions and, you know, put us in like this totally immersive experience that's, you know, fusing, uh, inorganic tech with the beauty of organic humanity, ultimately with the goal of us essentially signing off. Like, not that we literally sign a contract, but there's all sorts of ways that people sign off or give consent. And in the spiritual realm, that's what it's all about, is that, you know, these antagonistic forces cannot do what they do unless they gain various forms of consent. And they use all sorts of trickery and beguiling to get that. But yeah, they want to essentially have people sign off and say, yeah, man, like, you know, do it. Take my consciousness if you can put it onto a chip and make me live forever. I'm totally down with that. That's where my concern is. And I hear in what you're saying as well, Kimberly, that this is literally could be a capturing of souls and literally soul theft, which is what the archons are all about.

Yeah, I agree, David. And that's one of the things we wanted to touch upon is, you know, and at the end of the day, what do we do with this? And, you know, that's why we go into raising your frequency, how do you raise your frequency, how do you detox your body, um, how do you make sure that your pineal gland is fully operational so that you are in control of your environment and you are using your free will to create positive timelines and positive experiences? I just want to touch base on something real quick about, are you familiar with "Outwitting the Devil" by Napoleon Hill?

Well, I've read a couple of his books, but I'm, I'm not sure I'm familiar with that. No.

Well, basically, I'll read a quote from, um, one of the pages. And it talks about, um, it's basically referring to free will. "The class of people who are who control their environment, environmental influences are the non-drifters. All who are victims of the habit of drifting, in other words, not using your free will, just kind of going along with, you know, with what are being, uh, bombarded with on a daily basis, hypnosis, they forfeit their power to choose their own environment. They become the victims of every negative influence of their environment because they're not choosing otherwise." So it's like, by default, if you're not, you know, he said he refers to having a definite purpose. If you're not using your free will, by default, you fall into this negative influence and therefore you get affected by it, you know, physically, emotionally, spiritually, all the above. And it reduces your frequency, and you can't think for yourself. And that's why we see this direct attack on our pineal gland to calcify it through, you know, toxic chemicals in our food, GMOs, the air. Um, I mean, what do you want to say to that?

Yeah, I think he points out something, uh, very important for human beings to understand, which is that our destiny is mastery. And, you know, nobody expects any any overnight miracles. That's just not the nature of reality or the nature of nature. Um, there is a natural, organic unfoldment. And really, things are kind of unfolding according to a divine plan that is pretty much unassailable. And I take great consolation in knowing that ultimately, no matter what the outward situation is like, that ultimately God is in control, and the divine purpose ultimately will not be thwarted. Now, that doesn't mean that we won't have to fight. It doesn't mean that we will necessarily avoid battle wounds. But we can, we can have the assurance that victory is assured. But, you know, we, we have to be willing to take a stand. And to me, that means confrontation, which is a form of a fight. Which is what the whole Bhagavad Gita starts off is with Arjuna on the battlefield of Kurukshetra. He's his young prince, his charioteer is Krishna, you know, who incarnated as this humble, you know, servant charioteer. And on one side of the battlefield is his, his, the Pandavas, you know, his family. And on the other side is extended family. It's essentially a battle between, you know, this is where where it gets cool about the whole like oneness versus duality thing. He's looking across the battlefield to members of his family that took care of him from when he was little. And he was totally depressed and saying, you know, "What? I can't fight against people who have, you know, been a part of my life." And I'm totally depressed. And and basically Krishna, you know, it's a call to action. He basically says, you know, "You've got to fight." And that's what it comes down to. And it's really a reality that we have to face. You know, Napoleon is saying here is that on the path of, you know, to mastery, we cannot live by default. I mean, we can, you know, we can we can just simply, uh, exist rather than live. Because live is kind of like proactive, you know, like really squeezing like every drop out of life, life, like Henry David Thoreau said in Walden, you know, you know, you know, sucking the marrow out of life, Spartan-like, you know, as opposed to merely existing and just going with the flow. And what's wild is that we live in a in a culture that has been so designed and conditioned that people can just kind of like ride along, almost like they're on a raft on a river, you know, like, "Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream," right? And people can just live by default. And the problem with that, with that is it stunts the evolutionary process of the divine unfoldment of of of the human. And so, you know, by by waking up to the fact that we can direct our path, that we, you know, can be the captain of the ship of our destiny, you know, of course, informed and guided by the wisdom and love of God, that we can make those choices to actually bend reality. Or as Steve Jobs of Apple said, when when he was starting out, his whole impulse is that he wanted to make it dent in reality. And that's something that we can all do. We have an immense force within us, immense creative power that we can draw upon. But people don't even believe that they have that power. And it's okay to take little baby steps, simply just, you know, committing like, like, "Oh, I'll read, I'll read a book about, you know, I'll read a book by Napoleon Hill or, you know, Wallace Wattles or I'll read "The Secret." You know, just, just anything that that shows the universe that you mean business and that you want to take it to the next level. And then, you know, all sorts of aid and assistance will rush to your side. Because, you know, they're all rooting for us. They're rooting for you. They want to see you succeed. There's like this heavenly host. I think it's from the book of Hebrews in the New Testament, chapter 12, verse one, I think it talks about how like there's this heavenly assembly and they're all looking down and they're like cheering us on, you know, they want to see us like have a victory. So, um, I'm just looking at this book you mentioned right now on Amazon. I'm gonna order it. "Outwitting the Devil." Looks awesome.

Yes. And we, um, I wanted to touch base on that 666 thing again because, um, Eugene, you can touch base on this if you will, about Revelations 15 and how we do stand glorious. And Eugene, could you just interject real quick on that?

Well, you know, that really gets into the fiber optic nature. We get back into the 666. It's a multi-layered platform which these guys operate out of. There's many.

Different things, of course, in the Bible. Um, we have, you know, the name, the number, and the image of the Beast, um, and the mark there. And the number, of course, 666. Um, and some, you know, this is the number of a man, as it's written there in Revelation chapter 13. And it talks about, um, in Revelation chapter 15, that those that would have victory over the name, the number, and the image of the Beast stand at top the sea of glass mingled with fire.

Um, for my own personal research, um, that would be a very clear reference to fiber optics. And when we go back, just to kind of back up and go into this document that we were referring to earlier out of the Eek Department of UC Berkeley, um, I personally pulled this document, um, in which you have a bunch of senior ranking defense officials from DARPA and other, um, university professors, in which they're talking about gathering up a child from China, from the quote China connection. And, you know, this is a live email log that was created under an alias by a man named Edward Lee, who oversees the the electrical engineering and Computer Sciences division of UC Berkeley at Cory Hall. And, you know, it's really, you know, people who have a, you know, that really have an interest in biblical prophecy or any any other types to have to do with a 666. I really feel like they should take a look at this because when it starts to talk, you know, right before this encryption begins in this document, um, it says, "Begin complex," or it says, "Begin 666 complex systems prop one." Um, you really have to ask yourself, why are all these senior defense officials and these university professors, um, using this ancient prophetic line from scripture, which is associated with basically the devil or 666? This is the mark of the beast.

And so, um, it seems to, you know, there's there's there's obviously an element of artificial, uh, intelligence incorporated into all of this. And this complex systems, uh, um, idea, which is really implemented back in 1996, um, is, well, for the lack of a better term, just simply, it's very complex. But, you know, we talk about these archons using technological means in which to, um, affect us here in this spectrum of reality, in which we are experiencing, um, the collapse of the wave function is a very pivotal and fundamental aspect of our reality, in which, you know, matter exists as a wave until observed. This is the fundamental basis of of quantum theory. Um, and and to be able to affect the human observation in order to bring about a negative manifestation, um, is what I would choose to call worshiping the image of the Beast, essentially.

CET, our our abilities are coveted, um, as we were going over before. The creative abilities that we have is something that is very, um, powerful. Um, just the simple act of imagination has a manifested quality in our environment. This is a given in our existence. We know this throughout history, and there's really no question about this. You know, just, uh, an old quote would be, you know, "Whatever the mind can believe, it can achieve." Um, it really is kind of that simple. And these things do precipitate into reality, as you said, David. And to to be able to actually affect that act of human observation is a very keen way in which these beings would seek to to do that, um, to take over our reality by by basically utilizing our own manifested qualities. And to think that they're using a fiber optic network really makes a lot of sense because when we do the research in the fiber optics, um, it seems to have come from these gray beings. If we go back and what we look at, there's been such a jump in that type of technology, and it does interface with our human consciousness, and it is the sole conduit for all communications in this realm, um, at least of a physical nature. Um, in the future, that will be the sole conduit, and it's a state of objective to be so by DARPA and all the rest. And so, we just kind of leave it there for now.

Interesting. Yeah. Um, you definitely hit on, uh, on on some cool stuff there, for sure. I think the the language around archons, um, referring to them as mind parasites and that they they can influence, um, human thinking to some degree, and to the point where people will think, "Oh, you know, they'll think it's just their own thought." Like, everybody said, "Oh my God, I just had a horrible thought. Where did that come from?" Well, there's a very good chance, if there's not a chain of causation that you're aware of, that that could have been something that was, you know, dropped into the mind. So this whole idea of, um, harnessing and then, um, almost driving, uh, like like a horse, like you would, you know, hold the reins on a horse. If these entities could harness and then drive and direct human consciousness, because I'm always, like, the visual I'm getting is that guy from X-Men with the blazing eyes, you know, the red lasers that come out. So human consciousness has this immense power to create. You know, if, if these beings can, you know, then direct our consciousness, um, to look at certain things, to dwell upon certain things, to invest that, you know, energy of attention, um, you know, long-term attention, even, it's a form of black magic because, uh, they understand that they can manifest into reality.

And when we're speaking of archons, you could almost like use interchangeably, uh, the Illuminati. Now, I don't know specifically who these people are. For all I know, I mean, the big theories out there is that, you know, they are these spiritual entities that can manifest, essentially, kind of like a demon coven that can, um, you know, manifest and sit with heads of state and give directions, um, or they could be, you know, human families, blue bloods, Rothschilds, who essentially are demon possessed at this point. You know, so the speculation, just like the mark of the beast, it can go on forever and ever. But what can we boil about, you know, the prime archetypes, uh, in reality that we that we know about? This stuff, we know that there are, there's some kind of black magic going on in this world, that there's there's sorcerers, there's sorcery going on. And, um, and, uh, yeah, just just referring to what you were saying about directing human consciousness to manifest reality. And even if you look at the Book of Revelation, um, they could be literally using that because of its kind of popular acceptance as a playbook, you know? So it may not even be so much as like what the fundamentalist Christians think in terms of like, "Well, God wrote the book and it's all prophecy, so it has to unfold this way." Well, who's to say that this is not an epic, you know, um, work of, you know, mythical poeticism with incredible archetypal power that has been co-opted by these black magicians who know that if they can get everybody thinking and expecting and desiring and wanting certain outcomes, that they can literally manifest into reality these outcomes.

I think that's a very good point, David. And I would say that, um, you know, anytime we have a collective sense of belief in an archetype, an idea, or any of our belief systems as a collective, there is a a much stronger manifested quality in the physical because of the belief that we have attached to them as a collective. And so that certainly mirrors what you've just said there. And I really seem to see that going on around us. So it, it could very well be that these, you know, ancient archetypal ideas have been hijacked in order to make, basically, bring about a manifestation which seeks to enslave us or or however we want to look at it.

What's interesting is the guy who basically is the author of complex systems, along with many others in the defense department, is on record saying that he, you know, that the engineers and others, um, are are basically the sorcerers of today. Do you want to touch on that? What did he say exactly? Yeah, he said that the engineers are basically the wizards and witches of technology. Yeah. And I, I think that tech was given. You did mention fiber optics, and, you know, was right around the time of the crash at Roswell and all of these stories that now have emerged of like, these, you know, human alien treaties, um, and, you know, like, "We'll give you guys the tech if you give us, you know, what we want," which is usually related to, you know, biological material, you know, because they've got some kind of hybridization program that's going on. David Jacobs, who's a professor at Temple University, is a big, he's like the main guy in terms of kind of like the U, the hybrid, the hybrid program of the extr, you know, slash extraterrestrial demon fallen angel archons, whatever you want to call them. But yeah, this, uh, this technology, uh, with, um, fiber optics, gave us a huge jump, took quantum leaps. And in addition, I should mention that, you know, guys like Tesla, even, who has been, you know, severely marginalized over the last century, but who is enjoying a nice Renaissance, uh, of support and has a huge fan base and people, you know, kind of seeking to pick up where he left off. He, uh, he he was very direct. He said that he got much of his inspiration from higher intelligences. So there is this kind of like open line of communication, um, you know, between worlds, um, you know, that information can can be conveyed. You know, we often get it divinely through the power of our intuition, which is like literally the voice of God in the soul. Um, we we get inspirations that are dropped into our awakened minds, and it it comes to us like a a bolt of lightning from a blue sky, you know, we had no idea it was coming, and boom, it's here. But, um, yeah, these these beings, um, are definitely, um, have have contracted with with power-hungry humans to give advanced technology in exchange for the things that they want. But there's no doubt in my mind about that, and that they use our energy to do it.

I wanted to touch base because we talked about it earlier about, um, a quote from The Matrix where Morpheus is speaking to Neo and he says, "What is the Matrix?" "Control. The Matrix is a computer-generated dream world built to keep us under control." In order to change a human being into this, and he holds up a Duracell battery. So they do use our energy to try to create negative timelines by influencing our mind through technological, you know, advancements. Which we've been fighting. I shouldn't say fighting, we're we're looking to raise awareness around these cell towers. How these cell towers are next to, they're on playgrounds, they're next to churches. What, what's going on in these areas? Highly, you know, that's where all the thought is going on. And so they're grabbing the energy and then they're taking it to use it as control. I mean, do you want to touch on that a little bit, Eugene, or, or Lynn? I'll talk on it real fast, um, and certainly Lynn too. I was, it's, I was just, I just, um, a couple of people just tagged me or actually, I tagged a few people in in a picture that I had had up on Facebook here. And I have several, which basically shows the coupling of human consciousness with the wavelengths, with the wavelengths that are emanating out of these towers. U, and it's a two-way street. And, you know, I would say that anything with a wavelength has a property of manifestation. It's a very fundamental aspect of the physical reality. And when we put in tension on these wavelengths, there's a physical manifestation, a ramification of that in the physical, which is observable and measurable. And, you know, I'm, you know, I try to do that. I try to get people to take a look at that. Um, and on what's seen in these photographs is basically the coupling of my own personal consciousness in a fashion in which is to basically kind of move this toxic soup of chem trails and nanobots and all these other things that are floating around out there, and in order to kind of dispel that. And I think that, you know, two-way street, you know, when we take those kinds of things into our body, um, you know, um, Matthew 6:22, you know, "The eye of the lamp is the, the lamp of the eye is the," or what is it? "The eye of the lamp is the body." Um, and if thine eye be single, thy whole body be full of light. And it goes on to talk about how if if the light inside you is darkness, and my whole body will be full of darkness. It's kind of that same principle. That's kind of the way in which I would look at it. But that kind of answer your question, Kim, or?

Well, I'd like to interject for a little bit here. Those, um, cell towers are being put there next to places where people congregate, mostly to gather their energy through, I believe, what they call scuttlers, which are some kind of hyperspace module interface that you can only see if you look at them at the corner of your eye. You can't see them looking straight at them. You can only see them the corner of your eye because the corner of your eye is at a different frequency. Corner of your eye modulates at like 40 Hertz versus the, um, the, the straight line of sight part, which modulates 24 Hertz. Either way, this, um, energy that's being gathered through these hyperspace modules is being used to feed these fourth density entities. But on top of that, there's energy being broadcasted out of these towers, which is between 800 megahertz to 1.1, 1.2 gigahertz, and several, um, several tens of watts. And, um, this is enough to affect people's brainwave patterns, their moods, and alter biological tissues, the way they grow on a cellular level. You can actually take a fluorescent lamp or a couple of LEDs that are back-biased against each other on a small antenna and put them right up to the output of these towers or antennas. If you go right to the an, right to the antenna, if you get within a couple, a couple of feet with this device, it'll make the light glow. The light will glow because of the energy output coming from it. So it's probably not good. And that's all I have to say about that.

Yeah, it, uh, it seems like they're creating some kind of electrical technological goo. Okay. And I, I kind of jumped out of my seat before because, um, as Kimbler began to speak about The Matrix, the thought going through my mind is that at the heart of this whole agenda is that that these entities, just like their master, the demiurge, the false creator God, who no longer has jurisdiction over this world, okay? Because Jesus himself said, "The prince of this world has been cast out." And it goes on to say that, there was a writ of ordinances that was against us, all sorts of legal claims made upon our persons by the demiurge, you know, um, you know, on the spiritual planes, and that that was literally annulled and nailed to the cross. And so Jesus, the role of Jesus, is very central to the, um, removal of the authority of of the essentially the robber baron, if you can, if you can imagine this Earth as a barony, you know, and that this robber baron has been essentially deposed, but and and even exiled, but on his own recognizance now. Of course, you know, this entity is not going willingly, still trying to stake a claim, this investment here that that this being thinks he has. But at the heart of this, it's all about control. These entities are control freaks. You can see in our legal system when you begin to study, you know, jurisprudence and monetary philosophy, you can see that, you know, these big wheels of commerce and world industry, that there is, in in the whole world of law, it's all about control. And religion is used for control, control. There's all, you know, it's, it's that's the thing that feels so unnatural about this world is that here we are as free beings, we are born sovereign on the land, we are flesh and blood, flesh and blood beings, you know, endowed with inalienable rights by our creator. And we, we grow up into a world that we discover is just nothing but control systems. So really, what I want to see enlightened people doing is taking action by smashing control systems. This doesn't mean, you know, taking up arms and getting violent and hurting people. What it does mean is getting informed, educating one another, and meeting with people to create strategies that we can then employ to dismantle tyranny and dismantle control systems. So yes, this whole Matrix that we're talking about, and what they seem to be going for in this whole kind of like globalist New World Order agenda, is a very high-tech panopticon, vast machine control system. And all I know is it's going to be an incredible adventure these, these next 20, 30, 40 years, because the, the freedom that burns in our hearts, that that that bubbles in our blood, you know, will never, will never willingly, um, submit to this immense, you know, control structure that is that is seeking to be imposed upon our human spirit. So it's going to be very interesting, and and I'm very excited about the days ahead. But I just wanted to bring, bring that out about the control aspects.

Absolutely. Now, you recently started looking into, um, us as sovereign beings and what has happened, how that whole control system has come into play. You want to touch base on that a little bit? Yeah, this is all very new to me, but, um, I I feel very inspired and lifted by what is ultimately termed sovereignty, the sovereignty movement, or as it's well, as it's known in Canada, "freeman on the land," or the freeman movement. It's also happening in a big way in the United Kingdom, in Australia, as well, and here in the United States. Now, right off the bat, one can assess the level of threat that the ideas, um, pose to the control systems simply by going to Wikipedia. And if you type in "sovereignty movement of freemen," "freeman on the land movement," right in the first paragraph, you're going to discover that these groups are described as domestic terrorists by the United States government, okay? And of course, they have their, um, their little stories. I saw this one video clip of, uh, this police chief, Chief, and it was basically an anti-sovereignty, freeman, um, kind of propaganda. And it shows video from a dash cam of a police car pulling over this other car that was this, uh, this guy and his son. And the dad gets out of the car, and while they're processing the data, or whatever, this kid jumps out with like an AK-47 and mows down these two cops, kills them. Obviously, you know, common law, which is the basis of sovereignty, you know, it's very simple. Common or natural law is basically two laws. It's just like Jesus said, you know, all the law and the commandments can be boiled down, you know, from the 613 Mosaic laws down to these two, you know, to a love God, B, love your neighbor as yourself. Well, common and natural law is kind of like an extrapolation or application of those ideas. First being, do no injury to another, which is also a very, you know, Buddhist kind of idea, but we all intuitively know the righteousness of that law, to do no harm to another human being. Secondly, do not prevent the prosperity of another human being. So obviously, if you have a kid jumping out of a car for whatever reason, shooting a police, you know, they are breaking common law right there. And yet, they're using these videos and basically saying, you know, these people are members of this radical, you know, white supremacist movement, freeman. You know, so it's intriguing to me that right off the bat, that anybody who engages in dialogue with people connected with these ideas or movement is immediately up against some serious, um, allegations because from the official end of it, you know, it's, it's domestic terrorism.

So right off the bat, let me, let me be clear that these are peace movements because they're based on common law, which says, you know, "Do no harm to another person." The power of these movements is that they appeal to essentially what I believe is the key to freedom. And I think that we may discover over the next, uh, you know, couple of years that we are going to kind of like follow the lead from, you know, one breadcrumb to the next breadcrumb. We're going to walk ourselves down a path as a species. We're going to understand that there's actually built into the legal system the keys to our own emancipation, except that we just never knew about them because of the barrier of, let's say, legal ease, which is another language that we're not supposed to comprehend. But for instance, I just recently got from Amazon, I think for $112, I'm looking at it on my table right here, Black's Law Dictionary. This is the standard, um, dictionary used for Western jurisprudence. It's not written in legal ease. And so I can begin to educate myself about all these crazy words that are meant to, uh, obfuscate and confuse. And, and basically, at the heart of the sovereignty message is that you were born free. Nobody can make a claim to your person or your possessions or your dreams or your spirit. Um, you are not under any jurisdiction other than that of your own consciousness and that of God and the natural law. And yet, we find ourselves in a system where everything that we do is taxed, everything, every move that we make is being watched. We, we are being robbed of mental space within our own consciousness, which deprives us. And this is where the real theft comes in. It deprives people from the ability to use the powers that the archons tremble at, which is the human imagination, creativity, poetry, music, art, movies, dance. I mean, thank God for the art, the artists. They're, they're the, you know, they're the saviors of humanity, you know. And, um, when when people are so, so pressed by by living in a system trying to kind of, you know, just like thumbscrew them down so that they're so stressed out trying to, you know, pay the mortgage and make ends meet, that nobody has time for any creative endeavors. And you basically have this stark, dead, spiritless, lifeless, you know, uh, Matrix existence, which I think that we can all see. And yet, you know, we have this colorful, beautiful, goddessy kind of artistic world of imagination that is always calling to us like a siren, saying, you know, "Dreamer, step this way. You know, this is where the life is at. Embrace your heart. Embrace the world on a creative level." And, so the sovereignty movement is all about being free, basically saying, you know, what, it's a, it's a crock, all all of this stuff, you know, even using Federal Reserve notes and and actual Federal Reserve itself. It's all smoke and mirrors. It's literally like, uh, the, uh, The Wizard of Oz, the man behind the curtain is nothing but a fat, little, puny man with no imagination, just pulling, pulling levers and keeping you deceived. But, you know, once you see the, the truth, you can't unsee it. That's what I see what's happening in this sovereignty movement is that people are seeing the truth for the first time about who they are in God. They are empowered. Their sense of freedom and liberty is immense and overwhelming that they can't possibly exist in this system which tries to negate the fundamental truths that they sense about their, their own selves.

What do you suggest that, you know, just a person who's not as awake, um, that might be listening to us? What would they do on a daily basis, do you think, to awaken that, you know, long-forgotten self? Yeah, okay. Thanks for asking. Um, you know, so obviously, I'm going to have a bias because this is my advice coming from me and from my experience. But I think that the road to recovery, the road to spiritual health, and, uh, getting back on track with the evolutionary program starts with simply surrendering to God. Simply acknowledging your Creator. And, you know, even if you feel so out of touch and or that you don't even know, or that it's hard for you to even believe, to simply from the heart pray or make the appeal, like, "If you're really there, show yourself to me. Like, I want to love you if you're for real, and if you love me, I want to reciprocate. But I'm open. I'm open to this adventure. Just, you know, show me the way." I feel that kind of humility, uh, is is the place to start. And that essentially, spirit will begin to guide you and move you in life, and you, and your life will take on a whole new divine purpose. Now, you know, after making that, what I feel is the first fundamental step, which is surrendering to God, um, is to simply educate yourself. And to not only, and while you're educating yourself, you know, take a break from the books every now and then to pick up the guitar or sit down at the keyboard, or with a blank tablet, you know, and a pen to write some words or some lyrics, or write a poem. Be, become a creator. Feel, feel how you have a beautiful gift and offering to share that is worthy and that the world needs your offering and your gift, no matter how small, even if nobody else even sees it. The fact that you have gone through that process of inspiration where you have tapped into your inspirational source and that you have, you know, conveyed something into material form, whether it's words on a page or a story or a movie, that you are, you know, emulating the Creator, and that you are manifesting, like you're doing your own small part in your own small way of of siphoning into this reality the healing balm of of the higher realm. You know, you're creating space for spirit to move in you and through you, and then through you into this world. So I would say, yes, surrendering to God, educate yourself, and believe that you are a creative being, regardless of what anybody ever told you, your parents, you know, anybody who ever made you feel like you did not have a worthy contribution. Just to reject all of that programming and step out in faith, even if it's small steps. You know, I mean, I, I went from a place of not really feeling myself as a creator, and I started writing some poems because I got inspired. That got me back into playing my guitar. And then for a period of time, about a decade ago, uh, for about four or five years, I wrote about four or 500 songs and put together a band and, you know, played shows at. And then that got me involved with, uh, you know, I ended up, um, hosting an open mic that became the most well-attended and popular open mic in Northern New Jersey every Friday night at the Grismill Cafe. And then from there, you know, got into the festival thing, and it's just been unfolding for me, you know. And that can happen for anybody, you know. We're all creators. We're all here to to live in love, to be kind to one another, to help each other succeed. And we are going to do this thing. There's no doubt in my mind. It's going to be an amazing journey, but, you know, victory is assured. We just have to show up.

I wholeheartedly agree. And I, I feel God just smiling a real smile right now because I just want to share, you know, my my personal experience with, um, I shared with you, David, was back at, um, after 9/11. And I was doing a personal inventory and kind of, you know, had nothing that everything to be grateful for, so I didn't have a, you know, I wasn't having a down moment. But I, I said to God, you know, just as as innocent as a child, I said, "I, I have a void, and I don't know what it is." And the very next day, I could hear God speak to me, and my life has not changed since. So I highly, uh, that everybody get in touch with God. And whatever that looks like for you, I mean, it can be as simple as a question like I did, to ask, "What's this void within me? I have a lot to be grateful on the outside, but there's something missing on the inside." And, um, my life has been one big miracle since I asked that question.

Beautiful. Yeah, I want, you know, I want everybody to have that experience because it's so real, you know, it's like, you don't have to, you don't have to make it up, you know, because it is really real, you know. And you get to a point where you understand that that God is is the basis of all reality. It's like the most fundamental fact of existence is that God is, you know. And that's an amazing journey to get to that consciousness where you, you know, it becomes kind of like your, you know, your ultimate intention of heart, you know, and everything that you do springs from this assumption that everything is divine, everything is divine. And, uh, the final thing I wanted to mention about, uh, that I should have mentioned before, besides surrendering to God, educating yourself, um, becoming creatively involved, creatively engaged, but of course, very importantly, is to find the others, like we're doing here. Find the others and spend time together, if at all possible. Show up in person, have potlucks, invite your neighbor, just be together, just be warm, you know, play drums, make music, laugh, you know, watch a movie together, but just bring people together because, you know what, when when two or three people are gathered together with their good intention or good purpose, magic happens, you know, spirit shows up. So there's power in numbers. And I, I think that, uh, if you, if you think about it for a second, one thing that the, uh, antagonistic force is trying to accomplish is to alienate everybody from one another, you know, to make us afraid to be with others. But, you know, we've got to step out in faith and just, you know, trust that it's going to be great. How many times, I think we've all been there, you know, been dragging our butts, maybe, and being a little bit, maybe, uh, isolating, and somebody's like, "Come on out, you know, let's go here. You'll have a good time, I promise." And we're kind of like, reluctant, like, "Ah, I don't know, maybe." But then we end up going, and we end up having the greatest time, and we think, "Oh my God, you know, to think that I could have been home alone or just doing something else. I'm so glad I just overcame my initial resistance and just went out and got together with other people." So I think it's really important just to connect with other people.

I do. I think that, you know, that's really inspirational, all all what you just said there. And kind of the way that I look at that, David, is that, you know, being created in the image of God, and and being a co-creator, um, in that, you know, anytime that our hearts are coupled with that of another human being, there literally is an exponential increase in the manifested force that that is able to be expanded at that point to have a manifested effect in the physical. And so it is so important to come together with people. And another thing that you touched on earlier at the beginning of the show, to the effect of that you didn't really feel qualified to judge these archons or whatever. Can you touch on that a little bit and tell us why that is, and what we do? Is there a healing that can go on there between us and them, or how, how do you kind of look at that?

Okay, yeah. I, I've got pretty specific feelings regarding that, um, and I need to qualify because, uh, you know, it's easy to make assumptions because of our programming. You know, Jesus said, for instance, you know, "Do not judge, lest you be judged." Now, New Agers run with this in the opposite direction to an extreme, to the point where they think that if something really terrible is happening, or somebody's about to do something, you really shouldn't intervene because that's, you're, you know, you're judging them. Obviously, that's not reality. That is an aberration. So, you know, what's really involved here, even especially when we're dealing with, um, what might be termed evil entities, not that you or I are saying that anybody or anything is truly evil. I like to use words like antagonistic, you know, antagonistic forces, something that's going kind of like against the flow of the divine intention. So whatever labels you want to describe, I think really at the heart of it is to never make it personal, never become personally invested. Um, I think outrage is an appropriate, um, emotion. Um, I distinguish it specifically from hate, um, because we are all outraged when we hear of a great injustice, and it gives us the strength to rise up and set things right. But we don't have to feel hatred, it's even towards the person or the entity that did it. I mean, hatred is disempowering. It's literally we're giving our energy away, especially to archons, and and they will gather like it's like a shark feeding frenzy whenever they can, like, um, juice up human emotions in a negative sense. It just is a total feeding frenzy for them. So even dealing with archons, as you're asking, how do we judge these beings? Ultimately, I think it's really an amazing thing to be able to replicate God's grace towards us, which is that, you know, God's dealing with some serious problems like a cosmic level. I mean, basically, you know, um, God has been, uh, misrepresented by a faction who persuasively was able to, uh, gain the attention and following of a certain segment of the cosmic population, and, uh, planted a seed of doubt and was convincing. So, and at a certain level, it's about defamation of character. So there's this grand kind of, um, drama playing on planet Earth, that's why I feel like, you know, it's kind of like a central stage, and so much is unfolding here of a resolution. Uh, you know, there's a lot being resolved here, much is going to be resolved. So, you know, God's grace towards us, you know, does God approve, um, of everything that every human chooses to do? Well, obviously not, because if we're engaging in harmful or injurious behavior, that's not something that is, you know, that that anybody would approve of. But at the same time, God loves us, you know, God holds out hope for us. We should be holding out hope for even these entities, even for demonic beings, you know, what? Because they're moral beings, okay? They're capable, I believe, of making things right, of metanoia, which is the Greek word for repentance, having a change of heart and mind and character. Origen, one of the greatest Christian, uh, early church fathers, one of the most brilliant theologians of all time, vastly influential, believed that even Lucifer would be redeemed one day. And I'll tell you why, um, that that is, is because there's this theological concept, uh, that's called the infinite adorability of God. And what it basically means is that when we see the divine being, when we see God in God's true light, with true eyes, that that God is so beautiful, so kind, so good, that we can't help but being drawn by that gravitational pole of infinite agape love, okay? So whenever you have, um, resistance to that love, it has to, it can only occur because there's a misperception. Because if we were seeing God rightly, we would be inexorably drawn to that infinity of agape love. So we can hold out, we can hold space in our hearts for people doing injury. But at the same time, like, for instance, if you saw somebody about to stab somebody else, you could walk up to that person very quickly and solemnly and stay their hand. You can even twist their hand and make them drop the knife, but you don't have to be hating them. You don't have to be personally outraged. You're just preventing an injury. You're taking action to neutralize harm. So that's what I feel like in this whole spiritual battle that we have, we are taking action to neutralize harm. We're doing it in almost in an impersonal way, which means that we're not personally invested in the outcome. We are simply fulfilling our duty, which is a big message in the Bhagavad Gita, which is, uh, you know, talks about just fulfill your duty, don't concern yourself with the fruits or the outcome of what you're doing. Just do what you're supposed to do, that your conscience is telling you to do when you're called upon to do it, and everything will flow really nicely, uh, you know, if we do that. So that's what I, I would advise really in dealing with with this heavy kind of information and these entities and, and some real dark forces that are out there. We've got a lot of work to do. We're up against, uh, incredible, um, we're up against incredible challenges that we can and will overcome. It's going to take a lot of work, a lot of love, and a lot of good strategy, um, as we work together, but we could do it all in a spirit of love and openness to forgiveness. But at the same time, it does not mean that we're going to be wimpy or that we're going to stand down. It doesn't mean that we're not going to put ourselves in harm's way if called upon to to do so in order to minimize injury. So that's kind of how I feel about the attitude that we should have towards archons and evil people in general, which is that we love them because we know what they potentially could be, and right now they're functioning in ignorance. And yes, we will do everything in our power to prevent them from causing injury in their ignorance, but with the knowledge that they can experience repentance, just like we can. And I, I call that, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do." Right. And I think forgiveness, forgiveness and love is, is those two most powerful energies that we can operate from.

Yeah, absolutely. Um, I just want to check in on time, just to see how much time we did have, uh, left together. Did you else to touch on, David? Yeah, there was actually, um, as I mentioned, okay, great. So, so, uh, yeah, just just before the phone call, I was taking a shower, and this kind of like just jumped into my mind and had a sense that it was important to share. And, um, this is a philosophical concept called solipsism, which basically, uh, basically the idea is that everything that you see is a manifestation of yourself, and that, and that, um, any other entities are just kind of like ephemeral projections of yourself. Um, what, what we see when you study like sociopathy, you know, sociopaths, um, even psychopaths, um, you will find in a lot of cases that they don't believe that the people that they're hurting are even real on a certain level. Um, they, they cannot distinguish between, you know, the distinction, uh, between themselves and others, and they therefore cannot acknowledge the worth and the value of others. You know, they feel that the whole world is their playground, and whether they're hurting somebody or not, none of it's very, you know, none of it's really real. So it doesn't really matter. Now, this ties into Gnosticism, the fall of Lucifer, and the New Age movement, which I just want to try to bring together in the next minute or two, as briefly and concisely as I can. Gnostic theory talks about the Demiurge, which is the God of this world, the creator of this world, who basically, in his blindness, one of the names that they have for him is Samael, which means "the blind one," or, uh, yeah, Yaldabaoth is another name. And the Demiurge basically saw this world, his solar system, and assumed that he created it and could not see anything higher than himself. Therefore, he was blind to the possibility of a creator above himself. So he just assumed, "I'm the creator of this. You know, nobody else made this. I made this because I see it, and I can't conceive of anything higher than myself." So with that in mind, you know, I, I, I remember from the book of Isaiah, I think it is, or is it Jeremiah, where you have the, uh, the prophecies of, uh, of Isaiah making these proclamations, which many have ascribed as to basically being, um, you know, a, a again, another mythopoetic narrative or archetypal description of the rebellion of Lucifer, where he says, "You know, I will ascend to the mountains of Heaven. I will be like the Most High." It's this, you know, lack of recognition for proper relations. You know, it's the Native Americans talk about "All My Relations." That's acknowledging that you have relations, and that there's not a hierarchy so much of power, but just, you know, understanding that, you know, you're not, you know, it's not all about you. You know, it's not all about us. It's not all about you, Demiurge. It's not all about you, Yaldabaoth. And so the problem is that when you basically look at the world as a projection of your own consciousness, and there's some truth to this, but it's always, again, there's a balance. Because if you go to the extreme, you have essentially in the New Age movement this solipsism that basically does not want to look at the shadow, the reflection of the shadow in the world. In fact, you have some, you know, not some, a lot of New Age teachers and thought out there that basically say, you know, "Don't invest any of your consciousness or attention on anything negative. Like, if you see suffering in the world, if you focus on that, you are just energizing that suffering. Focus on doing positive things." Now, I believe that that's halfway good advice. I think it's important to focus on positive things. But, you know, we should have the sophistication and the articulation and the intelligence to be able to navigate life's choppy waters in less simplistic terms. You know, and being able to say, you know, "What, like, you know, when I'm with my family, my loved ones, it's all about the family love kind of a thing. But, you know, when I'm with, when I'm not with them, and I'm doing other things, I can like put on a different hat, switch to another mode." So yes, on the one hand, I can focus on the positive, and I do, and I believe most people do. But at the same time, when there's evil going on in my world, I'm not going to stand for it. I'm not going to sit here silent or turn my back or look away from it, and, um, you know, absolve myself from responsibility. And I'll tell you why, because if we don't do anything about it, nobody else is going to do anything about it. I think that's the big lesson for us in consciousness right now is that there's no Messiah that's going to come and fix all the world's problems. That's the great lie. And that's why history, you know, history is just going to continue to just go on and on without much change until we realize that, you know what, we are the ones that we've been waiting for. You know, what, maybe the second coming of Christ is a coming in consciousness where we, as the body, the metaphysical body of the Christos, begin to move and act in our world in effective ways to neutralize and counteract evil. May, maybe we are the collective Messiah. And people, maybe they're just waking up to that right now. So, so, you know, there's so many gifted and talented and intelligent people in the New Age movement, the consciousness movement, whatever you want to call it. A lot of you guys are in California, so I know that, uh, it's saturated over there, you know, funny people, creative people, you know, they can think outside the box, you know, they have, they're holding the solutions for all of our problems. But they have to recognize that you do have to roll up your sleeves, you do have to get your feet wet, you do have to get a little bit dirty in this world because, you know what, you have to sometimes do the unsavory work of confronting evil and demanding that it stop. And that is exactly what we are doing.

Yeah. And if not us, then who? That's what we kind of, you know, kind of our our words of choice there is, you know, if we're not doing this, we're not going to sit around and wait for others to do it for us because we have the ability to do it, and we are doing it.

And and I fully believe that we are the coming of Christ that we we've talked about this many times and I'm just so glad that that came up. And you know, so what, what do we do with that? Be love, you know, be loving, be compassionate, inspire people around you, smile, give them a hug, random, you know, acts of kindness. Those things. Be that. Be the change. Be the change.

And it's unfortunate, guys, you know, there people accumulate this indoctrinated bias because of what they've learned in their circles of, you know, be it Christianity or what have you. And it seems to be a blasphemous thing to consider, um, that there will be men on this Earth who will do even greater works than Jesus himself did. Yet, it's in red letters in John 14:12. And I hope, edly also believe that the second coming of Christ comes back through the body of Christ. And and that is exactly what we have all been waiting on to understand that we have this fractal of God within each one of us. And when we come together, as we've been talking about here today, has such a profound effect, um, as far as I'm concerned, just this conversation has had profound application throughout this whole reality. I mean, it's, it's amazing how it just makes me feel to to to to hear these things out of other people and to see this. I kind of, I call it holographic coagula, where people just kind of come back together as a form of healing in the physical environment.

Yeah, right on, brother. I totally feel feel you on that. You know, we're, we're speaking it, you know, we're speaking the dream awake. And and here's our creativity at work, you know, here's our intentionality at work, you know, and and we're corroborating, we're validating one another. So it's just like this amplification, like this force multiplier. I think, you know, you were saying before about getting together with other people and how that magnifies the process. And, um, I was reading this, this, uh, this great guy who was, um, you know, one of the original writers of like the, uh, the whole kind of transcendental thought, um, and, uh, law of attraction. I can't think of his name at the moment, but he was talking about how we are like mirrors, that that we're holding up mirrors to one another. And that our our communication and then reciprocation is literally like a for a force multiplier that that grows as it bounces between us back and forth. So here we are having this conversation, and many people will hear this conversation and then they'll share it with other people. And this is all like sparking a light, you know, and igniting the hearts. And then they're going to share it with others. And this is just nothing but like this exponential force multiplier for the good. That's what's so beautiful about it. We are the change.

Exactly. Uh, Len, did you want to add anything?

No, at the moment, it seems that everybody's got everything covered thus far.

That's awesome. Well, that's a lot to say coming out of you, Ly. Um, so much all the time. That's that's nice to hear that we've covered all that stuff. Um, I feel the same way. I really do. It's a great, a great show and great conversation. Really happy to, you know, just to kind of put this show in context for people. Yesterday, um, David, uh, a post from an aest popped up on my in my feed. I began to read that. I forwarded that to Kimber. I said, man, let's get this guy on air and talk to him about what's going on. And, you know, I feel like there's much more collaboration for us in the future here. I would really like to continue to work with you. I'm really interested in the Evol Fest and what that's all about. And, uh, perhaps would like to be there. Is that actually an event and where is that going to be?

Yeah, it's a, it's a four-day, uh, festival, music and yoga festival. It happens over Labor Day weekend, same time as Burning Man. So if Burning Man is not your cup of tea, uh, you can come out to Pennsylvania. We do it at this place called Fellowship Farm, which is actually the place where Martin Luther King had his ethical conversion to nonviolent resistance when he heard a friend, a seminarian friend, who had just gotten back from meeting in India with Mahatma Gandhi. And he came back. And of course, you know, Martin Luther King was involved with the civil rights movement and was still kind of on the fence about, you know, is there ever a time that you like swing fists if it comes down to it? And he heard his friend share Gandhi's message and he realized, you know, he said, you know what, this is the way forward. This will, you know, this will enable us to always have the moral high ground. And, um, you know, the rest is history. So that's the claim to fame of Fellowship Farm, which is 45 minutes north of Philadelphia. And it happens over Labor Day weekend, which this year is, uh, August 29th through September 1st. It's Friday through Monday, Monday being the holiday of Labor Day. And we have tons of great bands, lots of Kirtan chanting, yoga, music, um, tons of workshops, guest speakers, lots of yoga instruction going on. It's, it's just a beautiful environment, um, made even, you know, um, you know, especially beautiful by just the kind of people that come out, you know, who are interested in this kind of stuff. But, uh, you know, currently, what's going on, and, uh, we'd love to expand it in the future, want to get more help because I have no staff right now. Um, but we do hope to, um, to do a fest and some other places as well in the future.

Well, we'll have your links up, um, David, while this whole, um, audio broadcast is being shared, so people can find you and possibly lend a hand to help. And possibly, maybe all three of, all four of us will be standing in the same, uh, area together during that time. I'm coming. I just want you to know I'm planning on being there.

Well, if you guys can get yourselves out here, you know, I can arrange, um, to get you guys picked up from, uh, Philadelphia International Airport, um, but I'll comp you, get you, you know, passes as guests. Um, so all you got to do is, is get yourself out here with flights and, and we'll take care of the rest.

Well, consider it done. Awesome. And you could even set up a little, you know, popup and, uh, a table and share information about your vision and your work and efforts and, uh, and get that information out to our festival growers.

Awesome. I love it. Oh, well, if you guys are have anything else to say, I'll leave that to you to share now. Otherwise, we're going to close the show for the day. And David, I just want to say thank you for everything that you've done. Um, I'm just amazed how we all find each other through these divine orchestrations and to have these conversations because, you know, we literally just met through a Facebook experience just a couple of days ago.

Yeah, don't you love how that happens? That's how Eugene and I met too. So there you go.

Awesome. Well, and Len too. All of us met through Facebook. All right. How about how about that? Action. Beautiful. One final question, um, just so it's on the record. Anybody who's listening to this recording in the future, um, if they wanted to share with friends, where to find this, where would they go to get this recording?

Uh, it's going to be up on YouTube and it'll be on a Call to Action Radio Network. So I'll have that up, um, probably sometime today after I get some of the PowerPoint slides in sharing, um, all your Facebook pages with links and a little bit about, um, about what all those pages represent. And, uh, is if there's any other links that I don't have other than the ones that you sent to me, um, just send me an email and I'll put them all up.

Great. Thank you, Kimberly. And of course, you know, you can always find that stuff at a call to actions, um, dot com. And all the links to the different radio programs and stuff will be on there as well.

Beautiful. Well, I want to thank you guys, Rich and Len and Kimberly for inviting me to, uh, spend this time with you and look forward to talking some more in the future.

Absolutely. Everybody have an awesome day. Thank you for being with us and we will talk to you soon. God bless everyone and have an awesome day. Lots of love. Talk to you guys soon. Bye bye. Bye bye. Bye guys.