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We have bought into the lie that pain, suffering, all that is part of normal aging. I don't believe that.
We're the only country still that we allow TV advertisements, radio advertisements for new prescriptions. In other countries, they don't allow it. >> Screw the FDA. >> Yeah, we >> the FDA is a joke. They're not here to protect us.
We have 15 credit cards of plastic in our body right now. You can't build an empire if you have piss poor health. If we fix the biology and we fix a man, they become warriors. And this country changes. There is a playbook. There's a road map on how you have clarity, strength, purpose at every stage of the game. >> What should they do? Start off >> three things.
Number one, >> what it is, Brad Lee back again with another episode of Dropping Bombs today in the studio, folks. I got a real treat for you, especially if you like to get healthy. Dr. B. Stephen Sanders in the house. >> Welcome. >> Thanks for having me, man. Proud to be here. >> Well, thanks for coming. Just get that a little closer like to your chin just to make sure everybody not that. Not We want to see you. There you go. There you go. >> Yeah. Cuz sometimes people don't hear the guest and then I get yelled at on in the comments. >> But folks, if you guys don't know who he is, go to Dr. Stephven Sanders on Instagram, Tik Tok, YouTube. You'll find him. Um, business Instagram is Whole Men's Health though. And that's what this guy is out there making waves. a board-certified physician and founder of Whole Men's Health, dedicated to helping men restore strength, energy, and purpose. Out of curiosity, why men's health? Why not just health? Don't you limit your market when you only serve men?
>> You could, but here's the deal. Men typically have a whole different set of health issues that they face. Um, totally different than women. The other issue is we know from the data that men just don't engage with the health care system. They don't like it. They don't like 8-minute visits. They're prescribed a statin and then they're thrown off. And so we designed this practice to be really in this space that treated the issues that men were facing. And Brad, this is not textbook for me. Like I have lived this. I've hit a wall in my 30s. And that's why I'm so dang passionate about it because there is such a need.
>> And you have a lot of brick and mortar. Now you're now you're what? Transitioning online or just just getting the message out. >> So So we started with brick and mortar. Um, and that's been great. But what we found is guys prefer tellahalth. They just do. Um, and we need the whole set, but it's easy. They can still work. They're entrepreneurs. They're sales leaders. They're getting after it. Um, and it doesn't make sense to drive 30 minutes for an appointment, sit, wait 30, 40 minutes, have the office visit, it takes too much time. So, when you can do a tellahalth, the delivery is just a lot better.
>> My question for you is, how come when you go to the doctor's office at 1:00 is your appointment? You're never allowed in at 1:00. >> Fair question. Fair question. It's health care in general is the one of the most inefficient industries out there. We just book multiple patients for the same same time slot. It doesn't work. >> Why do you do that though? >> We in case one doesn't show up. >> Now, here's the most most practices do that. Um, but here's the deal. At we at Homeman's Health, No. I mean, we I want to run this incredibly efficient. your time is as valuable as my time. So we want to run almost like the trains in Switzerland where they just run back to back. A lot of the issue though now is that 77 78% of physicians are employed by huge health organizations, insurance companies, big hospital systems, and they have no control over the practices. So administration is controlling those time slots. It's not the doctor necessarily that's running behind. It may be the health system that says, "Hey, we're going to schedule five patients for this position." when they can only see three or four.
>> Yeah. And then they kind of have a captive audience. So, >> Exactly. So, it's a it's a system issue. >> So, well, that was just a side question cuz when I was listening to you talk about men don't want to go to the doctor's office, that's one of the reasons I don't ever like to go. >> Absolutely. >> It's like, dude, it's it's rude, quite frankly. And every time I'd go to the doctor, >> I'd go in there at one o'clock and by like 1:30, I'm still looking at my watch like and I look at him like, >> I have a one:00. Correct. >> Like, does that mean nothing? Could I have just rolled in at 1:30 because I've done that on accident before and guess what? Oh, you're late. >> Right. And then they want to cancel you out. >> Exactly. It's like, wait a minute. Like, if I would have been here, I'd still be sitting here. What's the problem? >> Yeah. >> But anyway, >> the system is just inefficient. It doesn't work anymore.
>> And you're and you're obviously passionate about getting the message out there. You're in shape yourself. So, what what were you like a fatty or were you just unhealthy? >> Dude, I I had everything. So, in my late 30s, everything on paper looked really good. I had a great career, great practice, happily married, four four great kids. Like, everything on paper looked really good. But the reality was I had a wall. Like, straight up hit a wall. Brain fog, fatigue, low libido. I was probably operating at 30 to 40% of my capacity, what I was capable of. and I begin to believe that my best days were behind me and not ahead of me. And straight up that scared the hell out of me. Um I think it almost caused like an identity crisis. Like if this is as good as it gets, I I don't know. And um fast forward biking in Colorado one day with my kids and someone took a picture of me. Um, and when I saw that photo, the guy in that photo was lifeless. He was 60 to 70 lbs overweight. And it did look like his best days were behind him.
>> Yeah. >> And so it was that moment on that, you know, for the next 18 months, I went on this total health transformation and radically changed my health and my life. And through that process, I'm like, look, if I'm a physician and I am facing this uphill climb and nobody is giving me the playbook, the metrics, the roadmap, there are millions of other men suffering with this. And how do we get the message out there? And how do we give them the road map, the playbook? Because we know it's going to happen. But how do we do that?
>> But how did you not have it if you're a doctor? >> And that's a great question because here's the deal. Traditional medical education in America is all based on sick care. They don't teach you in medical school how to be healthy and well. They teach you how to care for sick patients, chronically ill patients. And so, for instance, when I said, "Hey, I'm all in." I looked at that photo. I said, "I'm all in." Like, something has to materially change. I go to my doctor. I get all these labs and they say, "Yeah, your blood sugar's a little bit high. Your liver function tests, they're a little bit high. your testosterone it's 320 but it's still in range we don't really see anything wrong but I'm had taken care of enough sick patients to know that hey something is not right if if everything was right wouldn't your levels be perfect
>> correct correct and so we have taken in America we've said we've normalized everything so they teach you in med school and residency that if anything falls within that normal range that everything's okay so if the range for testosterone in men is 275 to a,000 total testosterone. And if I am at 350, then you're okay. You're normal. >> What is normal? I don't want to be normal. I want to be exceptional. And and I would argue that a testosterone of 300, you know, there are significant issues with that versus a testosterone of thousand.
>> Yeah, that's low. >> Yeah. My question is, has anyone ever tested naturally with like massive testosterone like 2,000 or anything crazy? >> I've seen it. I mean, I haven't seen the 2,000, but I've got some guys that are just that are natural all day long. >> Well, I wonder what's pumping that out. >> I think a lot of it is they're and and these are these are guys that are entrepreneurs. They are radically in tune with their own health. So, they like sleep religiously, seven, eight hours a week. They've got their seven, eight hours a day or night. They've got their training dialed in. They've got their nutrition dialed in. They're doing all the right things to really move the needle.
>> Is that the best thing people can do is just sun, sleep, exercise. >> I think natural optimization is clearly the way to go to start with. There's there's no question. The issue is here in America, the food supply, indicators, plastics, we we're just like under a constant chemical. Yeah. I mean, literally, we are under a constant chemical assault 24/7. And and I think that's a lot of the issue. I don't think it's one thing. I think it's probably 10 things that we're seeing this testosterone decline. Today, a 30-year-old man has the testosterone of a 50-year-old from their father's generation. That is not normal. I don't know who has normalized that, but it's not normal.
>> Well, aren't they doing it with uh cholesterol? I heard it used to be higher and then they keep making it lower and then recently they just made it even lower. >> Exactly. >> And then I've also talked to doctors that say no actually higher testosterone you is better because you'll have less heart attacks, >> higher cholesterol. Yeah. They're looking at the wrong metrics a lot of times. And and a lot of times I I don't think it's again healthcare is based on a sick care system. So you go to your doctor, they order the traditional labs. A lot of times they're not even looking at the right labs. I mean there are specialty labs that you can look at for the certain bad types of cholesterol, how dense a particle is, different things like that that give you a marketkedly better assessment of what's going on and that's what we need to be doing. The problem is insurance doesn't cover that.
>> Do you ever do you ever base it on how someone feels >> all the time? >> Yeah. Cuz like what if I take a blood test and it's just I am terrible but I feel like a king. >> Yeah. >> Am I terrible? >> And I and I agree. I mean, I think it it really how you feel is number one. And then we match that a lot of times with the labs and we say, "Hey, if there's something on the labs, but how you feel is is the number one thing."
>> So if some guy goes in and has labs, it says he have high cholesterol, but he feels fantastic. No problem. >> Well, so we start with that. And if he feels great, fantastic. The problem with cholesterol, sometimes you may feel fine, but there may be a fire underneath the the engine here. Yeah. And so you need the more in-depth testing and that's what we encourage all the all the men that come through our practice like look let's identify the things that will kill you. We know that heart disease is the number one killer of men. They're one we're as a man we're 1.6 times greater to die from heart disease than women. So we know >> typically it's just lifestyle interventions. Men don't seek treatment. We wait until the room is on fire versus if the trash can's on fire in the corner. Um, so >> stress maybe >> stress chronic stress inflammation um, there's some genetic predis predispositions but men just wait and they delay care and so if we know that hey you carry you have more dense particles you carry a bad type of cholesterol we can go ahead and start intervention for that to try to optimize what we can do so that when you're 40 50 60 this doesn't catch us by surprise we were treating you when you were 30 if If you speak in certain ways, couldn't you lose your medical license?
>> Absolutely. >> And see, don't you think there's something wrong with that? >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Like you like you earned your license. You should be able to say whatever you think. >> Yeah. >> And if you happen to think this is wrong, >> you shouldn't be threatened with your license being revoked. I think the license was was a an achievement of, you know, level of education. Once you get it, they can't take it away just because you're you have a different opinion, right, >> than the medical society. Because >> I always look at the the the doctors that can't agree. >> Like >> even in ads, you know, four out of five doctors. It's like, well, why don't they all agree if it's the fact? And then who's disagreeing? I'd like to talk to them. You never hear from that one. And then you'll meet one in person and I always say, well, this doctor says, "Well, that doctor doesn't understand. They're looking at the wrong numbers. They're taking a sample out of here, but they're not telling the public, which makes everybody think big pharma >> is making us sick, so you buy their meds. Now, you believe it. You think that there's some truth to that?
>> So, here's the deal. I think healthc care has become this huge industrial health care complex. It has become a system that it was not designed to be. And so, any we are now spending like 18 I think it's 18.2% of the GDP on healthcare. But our outcomes absolutely suck. Like we're number we're ranked number 10. I think big pharma has a huge spot in that. Um, are they are they responsible for everything? Absolutely not. I mean big pharma puts out some good medications from time to time. The problem is this whole model is based on chronic care. It's based upon sick care. So the health care systems make money when you're chronically sick and you're chronically have to be on 10, 15, 20 medications. We're we need to shift to a well care system where we're trying to make people healthy and not just trying to, you know, put out the room on fire because somebody's got 10 chronic medical issues.
>> And I think if you focused on well care, you would reduce welfare. >> Exactly. It would change the whole equation. The problem is I think we're at an inflection point. But do we have the appetite to do what it takes to move the needle, change the trajectory, and make a difference? And I'm not sure. I don't I want to do that. But you know, I'm one physician. >> Yeah. But if people are listening and they want a physician that understands because again, I mean, you know, sick care and health care that resonates, you know, if you're sick, go over there. If you if you don't want to get sick, come over here, right? >> Cuz health care and and sick care are two different things. Like right now, my my throat, you said gargle with some honey and some salt. Well, again, you know, I'm looking for you to say, you know, I'll just take this and it'll go away in 3 days. Well, and people, and you're right, that's a great point. People want quick and they want quick fix. That's why McDonald's, Chick-fil-A, everybody wants to come through line, order a number one, and have it delivered in three minutes. And unfortunately, a lot of this in healthcare lifestyle choices when you develop some habits and disciplines, they pay off in big compounding ways. It just takes time.
>> But it's not a pill. It's not a quick fix. It's not a magic bullet or >> Okay. So what would you say most men are missing in their daily lives that would go, you know, exponentially towards their health? >> Yeah, I think so. In general, I think men are underperforming. They're men are not lazy and they're not uneducated. They're just underperforming and they don't know what they don't know. So we tell everyone, hey, get some baseline labs just so we see where you are. I've got I have literally got 18, 19, 20 year olds coming in with low testosterone below the reference range now.
>> Yeah, >> that's a concern. Like this is an issue. And so it used to be you go to your primary care physician, they would say you don't need to get your testosterone tested till after you're 50. No, you need to get it tested now. We need to know baseline labs for you. And that's not just the standard ones that your primary care physician may order. It's like the full panel. So we have a good baseline for you. Can you go get your own or do you need a doctor's? >> Yeah, there's there's lots of good places now online. You can get your own. The problem is you get that information back and then what the heck do you do with it?
>> Well, now you can chat GPT it. >> Correct. But are the inputs and the outputs coming from J chat GPT good or are they not good? >> Well, they're they're what most doctors would tell you, I would imagine. >> Yeah. >> But still again, you know, I've messed with chat GPT for things and you know, it gives you what the internet says. So, so at the end of the day, you're stuck again. >> Exactly. >> Because you can go to a doctor and then they have what's called a second opinion. And there's been people misdiagnosed. The third leading cause of death from what I've been told is, I forget the word they use, but basically doctor mistakes. >> Yeah. >> Um, you know, I don't know why everybody trusts doctors so much. Like what they say is end all beall. I think like have a little critical thinking. Listen to your doctor. They know more than you do. That's for sure. But then, you know, do a little research and then what do you do at the end? Like like when I'm talking to you, I feel like you you you I would probably follow your advice because of how passionate you are with healthcare and the fact that you're seemingly anti- medicine.
>> Yeah. I encourage all patients, look, you are the CEO of your health. No one is coming to save you. You are the CEO of your health and you have to take charge. I find with a lot of entrepreneurs, business leaders, just really good guys, but they don't view health as their greatest asset. Everything you do >> that's a mistake >> flows through your health. >> There's only >> you can't build an empire if you have piss poor health. >> There's only Do you value anything above health? >> Well, yes. >> What? >> I'm a person of faith. That's first. But health is very close up there. relationships, but they all feed into health. If you're not healthy, your relationships suffer.
>> Well, I always trick people because especially when they're fit, you know, health number one. It's like, I agree to a point, but relationships more. They're like, "No, health." Like, so let's say your son has a problem and you can swap your health for his, would you? They're like, "Yeah, okay. Well, that's the relationship >> and God's a relationship." >> Exactly. >> But health is definitely a second. But I don't think those exist in a silo. I think they're all intermeal. Anger intermal. Mind, body, spirit, soul. It's not just one. They're all connected. >> You can have psychosmatic illness. >> No question. >> And there's no doctor that can fix that. >> Correct. >> You need to fix that. >> It's your mind. And your mind is a very powerful thing. That's why placeos work.
>> There is no question. And I can't tell you I can't begin to tell you the guys that come in and they say, "Hey, I'm depressed. my doctor put me on an SSRI like Zolaf, Prozac, one of those. But actually, you're not depressed, you have low testosterone or you have metabolic syndrome. And you fix that, you fix the biology and the man becomes a warrior.
>> So, do you think that there's some conspiracy doing this? Cuz again, when I was a kid, testosterone for a 20 year old guy should have been 700 to,200. >> Yeah. I don't So, I personally don't believe it's a conspiracy. I think it is the I think it is the culmination of how we live and the culture we live in. >> So there's nobody behind it. >> I don't I don't I personally don't believe that. I think that look we're we're fat as a nation when we've got over 60% of the population. >> Yeah. But but again why are we fat? Well, it's the food. >> It's the food. It's activity. It's it's not just one. It's ABCD and eat.
>> Well, again Yeah. Yeah, but it's the food cuz you can you can go to Italy and eat pasta and pizza and cheese and all kinds of crap for months and not gain weight. Here, you eat it for a little bit, you're you're you're fat. Not only that, you're you're you're breaking out in hives. I mean, like we allow [ __ ] in our food that no other country allows. Why is it? >> Well, and there's no question. And and here's the reality. The input will dictate the output. And so what we're putting in the system, if it's trash, you're going to get trash as an output. I know, but like I can't tr I'm somewhat healthy. Um I'll get on a roller coaster. I'll get really healthy and then I'll just be decent. >> Yeah, I got you. >> But I'm 57. How many medications should I be on right now? >> Average 57y old. >> The average 57y old has probably three to four to five medications. >> Yeah, I have none. >> Fantastic. Stay that way.
>> What kind of body aches should I have at 57? >> I personally don't believe you should have any. I don't >> I think is you we have bought into the lie that pain, suffering, all that is part of normal aging. I don't believe that. I think if you optimize your controllables, you can live the best life. We are not designed just to survive. We're designed to thrive. And when we treat health as the greatest asset, we get the output that way.
>> Has anybody with a six-pack had a terminal illness? >> Yes. See, so physically people think, "Oh man, they're in shape. They're healthy." Just because you're 9% body fat does not make you healthy. >> There is no question. And that's why again I keep going back to the framework that we have at Whole Men's Health. You have to look at the whole picture. Like so a lot of our guys that come in, we get what's called a polygenic risk score. So that looks at your DNA and all the all the risk you could have certain types of cancers, different things like that. And if say, hey, there's a there's a risk for maybe a pancreatic cancer. Had a 47y old guy in several weeks ago, diagnosed with a pancreatic cancer. His polygenic risk score showed up several years ago. He's been getting sort of recurrent MRIs just to monitor. He's going to do great.
>> Do you um you've had to tell people diagnosises before? Yeah. >> All the time. >> How does that make you feel? Like like you you see the test first. Like if I came in, you saw you see my test, you go, "Oh man." >> Yeah, >> he's got it. >> It's It's gut-wrenching because one of the reasons I got in medicine was the relationships. And you get to know these people and they become some of them become like family and it's absolutely gut-wrenching because you know with what you're about to convey to them, it's going to change their life.
>> Have you ever advised somebody with cancer to just do a parasite cleanse? No, but I I will say this. >> Are you allowed to? >> I guess you could. >> Well, I mean, see, this is why I don't think it's fair and I think there's something going on because >> why can't you if you believe I mean, what's it going to hurt? >> Yeah. I tell patients, look, again, you're the CEO of your health. You need to do the research and go get three, four, five opinions. Don't trust what one person says or what one diagnostic study said.
>> Not even yours. Not even mine. I I tell patients all the time, I want you to go get a second opinion, third opinion, fourth opinion. I could be wrong. I'm my perspective may be shifting. >> Yeah, but what if you got three opinions and they're all different? >> Well, I think that's when you have to use your that's when you have to use your the brain gut connection and say, "Hey, what what do I intuitively think is best?"
>> Well, I know people that were diagnosed with cancer, >> stage four, you're going get your fairs in order. Nothing we can do. They parasite cleansed. >> Yeah. >> And they're still alive 10 years later. And they swear to everybody they talk to cancer is parasitic >> and and basically if you get diagnosed with cancer, >> start a parasite cleanse immediately. And and and then like sometimes they die anyway. Well, that's be according to these guys. I'm no expert guys, but according to these guys, >> it's because they didn't start it soon enough. And everyone has parasites. Period. So I of course chat GPT it and it says not everyone but you know, a lot of people have parasites. Well, as a doctor, do they teach you about parasites? Do they do they tell you here's the cause? Just have them do a parasite cleanse. >> Yeah. It's >> because I've never heard of a doctor saying parasite cleanse. >> No. And and it's not I I would say that's not even mainstream. And here's why. Because in medical school, we don't technically we don't have a whole lot of parasites in the United States. And so if you're practicing in Africa, other places maybe, but they don't teach you this stuff. And so then you get out and you hear, "Well, maybe that does work." I >> have you. You never heard of it working? >> I haven't. I mean, personally, you never heard >> Well, here's the deal. I haven't. That's not really my lane. So, I don't take care of a ton of patients that have cancer. Um, so, you know, I don't know the I don't know the diagnostics, the numbers, different things like that. >> Family medicine. >> Correct. But I'm I am opening and I and I do realize that there are multiple tools in the toolbox on how to solve a problem. And I think you just have to say, "Hey, I'm the CEO of my health. I'm going to get these second two, three, four opinions and I'm going to see what tools are available and what do I think is personally best and I think that's the way you go about health."
>> Yeah. Well, that's the way I do it. I I trust my body more than anything. I think if I have a pain, that's that's like a dummy light on a car. It means something's wrong, right? Don't do that. Whatever it is you're doing. So, when I start working out and I get a little muscle fatigue, I'm fine with a little muscle fatigue. But if my, you know, elbow hurts every time I'm lifting weights, I I I stop lifting for a for a week or two. And guess what? The pain goes away. >> It goes away. Right. >> But but most people, they're telling you to pound it. Pound it anyway. Now, peptides are out. What do you think of peptides?
>> Huge fan. I think the problem is we're in this sort of gray area right now with peptides. The FDA is coming down hard. And it's not because they're opposed to peptides. It's because they don't know what are in the peptides. >> Yeah. But see again, FDA, dude, they know what's in all kinds of [ __ ] They allow that's poison. Alcohol is allowed, I know the FDA doesn't do that, but alcohol is allowed, but yet other things aren't. The FDA says this one's allowed. It's been proven to cause cancer. Now, so the FDA, same thing. How do they know everything? >> They're not the damn judge. And we've regul we've regulated all these all these peptides, all these other things too much. There has to be a free market. Now, here's what we need to know, though. When you get a peptide and you need to know what you're injecting is what is the composition of it. Is it pure? Does it have heavy metals in there?
>> Well, you go to a lab and you hope that they're accurate. >> You do. But here's the problem. And I get DMs all the time, particularly on TikTok, from younger people, and they're like, "Hey, I bought this offline. I don't know the dose. I don't know what to do, but I've heard it's a great peptide and I want to lose a little bit of weight. >> Yeah. Well, that's why FDA should approve it and doctors should prescribe it because again, in the peptide game, >> I know people making a lot of money in the peptide game, by the way, and and and everybody that they're prescribing, which they shouldn't be doing. >> They're losing weight. Their blood uh levels are or their blood work are phenomenal. It's reversing diabetes. It's reversing uh dementia. It's it there's crazy supposed uh results. Now again, that all could be hype. So, you're some young kid. You hear about these peptides, you're a little bit chunky. When in reality, you should probably start running. Business owners, listen up. If your business needs more money, and it will. Banks aren't built to move quick. They make you fill out a ton of paperwork, wait for a decision, and by that time, the opportunity is passed. So, if you want bank rates without bank delays, you need to check out Cardiff. Cardiff's been helping businesses get same day funding for over 20 years. We're talking up to $500,000 approved and funded quicker and easier than big banks. You can apply online in under two minutes and get funded as fast as the same day. So whether you need quick money to bridge a gap or do more marketing, get some equipment or hire more people, I'm telling you, apply today at cardiff.co/brad. Stop letting slow money cost you opportunities that move fast. There's no impact on your personal credit. So apply now at cardiff.co/brad. Subject to approval, terms and rates vary. Cardiff borrow better and or eating better and you jam a peptide now you're hunger suppressed it's still messing with your hormones now your ding-dong don't work and as a kid again I'd rather be fat with a with a functioning >> correct yes >> member >> yes >> then than than buff with a with a noodle so at the end of the day it's like what do you want to tell those guys like >> I I so I think peptides are the wave of the future and and here's the deal people saying well we don't have studies Here's why we don't have studies. Because these big drug companies can't make billions of dollars off something that is just natural, like it's just chained of amino acids.
>> But we do have studies. >> We have very limited studies. >> But there's studies. >> But >> like watch this. You have cancer. And I say, "Hey, drink this." And you go boom. And some doctor tests you no cancer. >> That's a study. >> Well, yes, but >> okay. So now if he has cancer, I go, "Uh, drink this." And he goes, "And he don't have cancer." Well, that's two. Well, maybe it could might not work. Who cares? It just saved two people's lives. Let someone take it. You got to go out of the country to get decent health care. Well, and and I think that I I agree. I think you we have to stop being so overregulated in everything and let patients decide. You explain the benefits. You explain the risk. We are grown adults. Let them make the decision. If they want to take a vial of peptides, fantastic. If you have researched it and you know the benefits versus the risk, move forward. I don't need the FDA telling me what to do. The problem is we've got this huge healthcare industrial complex and it's overregulated and it just keeps growing and growing and growing.
>> FDA should should just enforce, hey, you have to tell people that that's such and such. They can take it if they want. You can prescribe it if you want, but that you just have to say what's in it or whatever. But when the jab came out, you opened up the what's in it blank, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So screw the FDA. >> Yeah, we >> the FDA is a joke. They're not here to protect us. They're they're I think the FDA is the is the Rottweiler for big pharma. In other words, you know that that's the legal arm where if you piss off big pharma, the FDA is is >> sent to can't intervene. Yeah. >> Well, that's that's their law. That's their like they work for the far big pharma. How come everybody at the FDA ends up at the big pharma companies? Well, and if you look at the amount of lobbying dollars that are spent on big farm, that should be that should be illegal. >> Huge point blank. >> And we're the only country still that we allow TV advertisements, radio advertisements for new prescriptions for new drugs that are approved. In other countries, they don't allow it.
>> And that's what I want to know. Approved? What do you mean approved? Did you hear the fast talking at the end of that commercial? Could cause nausea, diarrhea, death. >> You know, it's like, how was that one approved? >> Right. Yeah. No, I think it >> but yet the ones that are working well those we do not have approval and then to get approval is like pulling teeth. >> Yeah. I mean the process may take five 10 it Yeah. >> It's a scam. >> It the problem is >> you're part of a scam. That's just for a clip. >> Dude, I love peptides. I take a lot of peptides myself actually. Um >> which ones? >> Fan of BPC57. Um >> I hear that's amazing. >> It's fantastic. Um love CJC with Epimerellin. have taken simmerelin. Um, >> which one do you like better? >> I actually like CJC and Epomellin better. >> I have that right now. Doctor prescribed. >> Yeah, it's it's fantastic. It really is. And I'm living proof. A lot of times it just helps with um muscle mass. It's helped sleep, just sort of body recomposition. So, losing some of the visceral fat. And the visceral fat, think guys have who guys who have a lot of visceral fat are just >> That's the marbling. >> Yes. The belly fat. That's like an estrogen factory. And so the more visceral fat you have, your body is literally turning the testosterone that you have into estrogen and it's making you less of a man. Seriously. Well, I believe that. Now, here's my question because there's a lot of listeners that are going to say, "Well, what can I do?" Uh, number one, you you guys can go to whole men'shealth.com cuz again, he's got patients lining up because of his beliefs and I think protocols. So, what what can people do if they're listening to this and they just want to get healthy?
>> Yep. No, that's a great question. >> Because you're not allowed to prescribe these peptides that aren't FDA approved, are you? >> We can use limited. Yeah. And and we always explain the risk and benefits to the patients and you make the decision. You are the CEO of your health.
>> So, if I approached you, I would tell you, I feel good. According to the, you know, experts, I'm supposed to be getting more sleep. Now, I don't feel like I need more sleep. I'm not sluggish. Yeah. >> I'm not uh there's nothing wrong with me. So, so who says I need more sleep? Well, they say, "Okay, well, I guess I need more sleep then cuz I go to bed around 11:30 to 12 and I wake up at about 5 5:30, sometimes 4:30." >> And when I wake up, >> I'm so excited that I woke up. In other words, I've trained my brain to have extreme gratitude. Love it. So when I wake up, it's almost like adrenaline starts rushing because >> I won the lottery. Like I have another day. >> And so I get up. Why? Well, cuz dude, I open my eyes and literally feel like >> let's go. So So I get up and then I go through the day and I go back to bed around 11:00, 11:30. I'm not I'm not tired when I go to bed. I go to bed because everyone else is in bed >> and then I wake up at 5. So I'm only getting five hours of sleep a day. What would you have to do? is telling you exactly what you need. I don't think so. Here's the deal. The the the data, whoever the experts are told us that 7 to eight hours and maybe that's great. I can't get by with five. Like I need 7 to eight.
>> But as my doctor, what would you tell me? >> But if five works for you and you feel good and your labs look good, stay at five all day. If that works for you, >> pretty good. >> If that works for you, fantastic. Now, here's the deal. We know that the more sleep you get, the more release of growth hormone you get, the more release of testosterone. So, there may be some things that you're sort of missing out on. But again, if you feel good, your labs look good, you're excited to get up and kill every day, >> keep doing what you're doing. >> The last one is true. My labs look all right. Um, but I take testosterone. >> Yeah. >> Um, my I run at about a thou. I like about I like about a thous which is crazy because they said man if you ever get off now you're going to be you know and when COVID hit and there was you know the places were closed >> I cold turkeyed it >> nothing happened except my nuts grew back that's literally all that happened I didn't feel less energetic I didn't feel terrible >> and did you change anything like in your routine no >> I I I had test >> y >> I'd go in and get it at the men's place, whatever it was called. >> And then when COVID hit, you couldn't go there. They shut everything down. >> So, I just stopped. >> And I stopped for like 2 years. And like I said, the only thing that happened, >> I didn't feel any different. >> I'm sure it dropped, >> right? >> Cuz when I got it tested and started it, it was like 450. Yeah. And it was like I was about 50 years old and it was 450. And they said, "Well, that's pretty good for 50 years old, but you know, you could be higher. You qualify." I'm like, "Well, then give it to me." So, and plus I wanted to get in shape and you know testosterone supposedly get you more muscular. So, I'm like yeah give it to me. So, I started taking it was on it about a year and a half and every test every blood test per quarter. I was running,00,000 one time like it was above 1500 but it was because I tested the timing of injection >> the the day I got it. >> But point being is I went cold turkey off. I'm assuming it went back down to 400. I felt fine. So, I don't feel better on it or better off of it. What would you say I do? Don't do it or do it?
>> I think number one is how you feel. And so, if you feel good, >> either way, >> keep it. Keep it. I've got guys >> What about if I feel good without it? >> If you feel good without it, then don't worry about it. Because unless it gets dangerously low. Now, here's the deal. Like, if it drops below if it drops in the 200s and you still feel good, we know that, hey, there's there's testosterone receptors, there's androgen receptors throughout the body. Your heart needs testosterone at at a minimum threshold to function like it needs to. So you may need some. But if you feel good at 4 500, dude, walk in that lane every single day. I've got guys that will be naturally at say 3 400. They feel really good. They're killing life. Then I'm not starting you on testosterone. You don't need it. If you feel good, you're functioning, you have clarity, you have stamina, you have energy, do what you're doing. But if you come to me and you have a testosterone of 300, 400, you're not performing, your performance at work sucks, your relationship sucks, you have libido issues, you can't get an erection, then we need to treat that cuz that's a quality of life issue.
>> Where in the old days those weren't the case because there weren't microlastics and crap in the food, etc. >> Correct. And now there there's a new study that came out from NYU recently. There's even microlastics in prostate tumors and like 90 to almost 100% of them. So, they're everywhere. I mean, it's it's it's almost like we have 15 credit cards of plastic in our body right now.
>> How do you get rid of it? >> It it really is environmental. I think it's tough as hell. There's So, nobody really is testing for microplastics. There's some there's some expensive lab tests that you can do, but nobody's really testing for that. Um, that's impacting fertility, too. Look at the fertility rates, say 40 years ago to today. They're awful. >> Yeah. Well, I had I have seven kids and every time I had no fertility issues, you know, I'm trying to figure out like because I always put myself as a listener, I'd be thinking, okay, so number one, what did you do when you were 60 pounds overweight? You saw that picture. What did you start and how long did it take you?
>> No, that's that's a great question. So, sleep became number one. So in my late 30s my sleep sucked. Okay. I was getting four or five hours working a whole lot. So I I became very ritualistic like hey I am getting 7 to 8 hours of sleep nightly. >> So if you woke up and you were awake you would just close your eyes and say I need three more hours. >> A lot of times I would get up go somewhere else maybe read 10 15 minutes soft light and then be able to go back to sleep and get three or four more. Now it's not ideal but that's what I would do. I would make myself say hey for this block we have to do this. Do you think it helped you greatly? Cuz I I'll force myself to sleep, but I just don't >> I I think it became it became a pattern in my mind. Now, the other thing is I would get in my bed and use the phone like I would scroll and I would do other things and I would be working and like right before I went to bed. So, I have totally changed that. Like my phone, the bed is for sleeping and sex. It's not for anything else. It's not for scrolling. It's not for watching TV. Like the bed has has a job. And so, sleep became a big thing for me. The other thing is nutrition. My nutrition sucked. I was eating a lot of packaged food, wrapper food, fast foods, whatever. And so I really had to adopt like I am eating whole foods only.
>> Can you trust even whole foods anymore? >> I I don't know. So I love that where we live, it's a beach town, there's a great farmers markets. Um and so I love a lot of the fresh organic um grass-fed beef and other products like that. And that's what we do a lot of at my house. >> Where do you live? Orange Beach. >> Santa Rosa Beach, Florida. Northwest Florida. Nice. Um, fantastic place. >> So, nutrition became, you know, the key there and and so it was like I'm tracking. I had never been a calorie tracker before. So, I religiously track my calories and then I track my protein. Um, and so that I was hitting those metrics and those were the first two things. And then the final thing I did was with training and I said, "Okay, I am physically going to the gym four to five times a week and I'm doing a minimum of 45 minutes during those sessions." That is a non-negotiable. I put it on my Google Google calendar like a meeting. And so it was like non-negotiable. It was painful as hell to start with. I I it was just it was awful. But I said I'm staying the whole time and that's it. Like we have to finish this like it is a business.
meeting that we have to do.
Was it weights or cardio?
It was both. So I think you you have to have both because muscle is the key to longevity and muscle is the metabolic engine. Um, and so it was, and I had been a lifter before, maybe in high school, college. Um, but I got back heavy into lifting and then zone two cardio where I'm getting I'm elevating my heart rate for extended periods of time. And it was doing both of those.
Um, and then finally, you know, when I first started on this journey, I got my labs done. They said, "Everything's fine." And I said, "Something is still not right." And that's when I'm like you. I went on testosterone replacement therapy. And it was a game changer. Um because my levels to start with were low 300s and I sit about 900 to a,000 now. Um and I like how that makes me feel. Um but I have done the gamut to try to figure this out.
What about thick blood from testosterone? Should people on testosterone be uh donating or or blood dumping once a quarter?
The issue is monitoring. So yes, they should maybe. But we know that from these online tellahalth clinics for testosterone TRT clinics basically that 25 to 30% of men are starting testosterone without having any labs whatsoever.
No labs. So they so they basically fill out a form, they put their credit card in, they check some symptoms, and then they get a prescription for testosterone mailed to them. That's an absolute no no. That's that all that is it is it's it's just a subscription service. So, you need to know your labs and you need to know what the red blood cell counts are doing. I've got some guys, they have to donate, you know, every 30 or every, you know, quarter. And then some guys don't have to at all. A lot of the a lot of time that depends on how you receive testosterone. With the injectable testosterone, you're typically going to have to donate blood more. But if you use a cream, if you're using pellets, if you're using oral, then maybe not.
Those don't really work very well.
It I I found it patient dependent. I some some people swear by pellets or they swear by creams or they swear by oral and then some people are hardcore injectable. I say look figure out what works for your lifestyle because if I tell you to do something but you don't end up doing it nothing's going to work. I can tell you take a pill twice a day but if you're not going to take the pill it doesn't work like you have to be compliant with it. But I think a lot of it goes to monitoring like you have when you get on testosterone you have to commit to the monitoring and that's getting labs every 3 months. You're looking at PSA, the prostate test. You're looking at lipids. You're looking at red blood cell counts. You're looking at the whole the whole, you know, enchilada here.
Does testosterone affect your PSA?
It can. It can. Now, so press testosterone does not cause prostate cancer. It can cause elevations in PSA from time to time. So, you have to sort of watch that. I mean, and that's
And what if they see it?
If you start to see it, um, then you sort of go down the pathway like, do I reduce the sometimes you can reduce the dose of testosterone? Sometimes it's further testing, sometimes it's repeating labs, but there can be there can be men on testosterone that have prostate cancers that are just slow growing. So, it doesn't necessarily cause prostate cancer, but it's still something you have to treat. So, that's why it's got to be monitored. I think the issue is what we're seeing with guys is they want to hop on something. They want to hop on testosterone. They want to have problem peptides or something, but they don't want the monitoring. You have to do the monitoring. You have to do the work to be safe.
Do you believe in intramuscular injections or subcutaneous?
I believe whatever works for you. I I believe in precision medicine. And so I've got some guys that swear by I AM injections. And I've got some guys who say if I have to use that 20 gauge needle and stick it in my butt, I'm not doing this. And so they do subcutaneous. I have found that both get pretty decent results, but it depends. It's it's your preference. And at the end of the day, again, I go back to you're the CEO of your health. You have to make those decisions. I'm just the guide. I give you the tools in the toolbox. You make the decisions.
And you say you're faith-based.
Absolutely.
See, I always struggle with any kind of injections because I almost feel like I'm questioning what God did.
No, I mean, I get that. I get that. I get that argument. But here's the deal, Brad. Say you had thyroid disease and you didn't have you didn't have enough thyroid. Well, you would take a hormone. You would take a thyroid hormone to fix that. Or say you were born with maybe type 1 diabetes and you didn't have any you did your body didn't produce insulin. Well, you would take insulin. You would inject insulin. It's the same thing physiologically because where we live, what's going on, the culture, different things like that. Testosterone numbers just tank. They just do at, you know, by age 30, they're declining 1% a year. So, it's not like you're giving yourself a huge advantage. You're just replacing what is missing.
But I get the argument. I I'd get the argument.
Well, again, I could lean both ways and obviously I take tests, so clearly I'm not sold on that one. I always just feel like, man, would it be better just not to take anything? And and you know, if my testosterone could be a thousand without taking anything, that's the idea. If I could reverse aging without taking anything, that would be the idea. But the body is a temple. So you're supposed to do you're supposed to be a good steward of that.
There is there is no question. And you get one body and it's your greatest asset.
So I'm always just wondering like if if I didn't do test and I worked out just as hard, would I look worse or feel worse or be worse or is it my duty cuz I need to take care of this temple to take all this man-made crap to extend and perfect the temple?
Yeah.
Cuz that's where I lean.
I I mean I think that's a fair assessment. I think it comes down to the end of the day. I believe it's a personal choice and you have to act on your convictions and the knowledge you have and move with that.
Thank you. Um yeah, so people listening that want to be in shape, maybe they're a little out of shape, what's what's other than reach out to you, what should they do start off?
Three things. Number one, get your labs done. You need a baseline of labs. Get them done to see where you are positionally.
Where do they get them done though?
You can So you can you can always go to our websitemanshealth.com. We can get you started in that health journey with with any labs. Yeah. Wherever you live. We're in all 50 states.
Can you can you because sometimes I get labs and someone will be like, "Well, what was your blood?" And I go and look and I'm like, "It's not on there." They're like, "Yeah, you got the basic labs." Like, I want labs where everything's there.
And you and and that's what I tell most guys. You're going to you need the full panel. You just don't need the basic chemistry with this going to show like sodium, potassium, your electrolytes, your kidney function, liver function. You need the whole panel. You're looking at 40 different biomarkers. So we can though.
Yeah, we do. And we we always do that. That's sort of the baseline assessment.
The second thing you can do is sleep. It's free and it's it's so underrated. And so if you could get your sleep dialed in, that's that's number two for me. And the third, we haven't talked about this, but we need to is men in America are incredibly lonely. They have a lot of men have absolutely no community, no social connection and it's impacting health in a major way. I see this in the 18 to 35 demographic and I see it in the 40 plus demographic. It's it's universal. And so call a friend or get in a group or join a sports organization or volunteer or do something where you have connection with other men. And then here's the deal. If anything I said today resonated with you, reach out to me at Dr. Steven Sanders. Um me or my team will always answer DMs and we'll get you connected.
Anywhere they are. Not not just in uh Florida.
Worldwide.
Yeah. And your brick and mortars, are they still operational? Are you all online?
Yeah. So, no, we're we're still doing brick and mortars and and I actually like that to some degree because I like the interaction of a of when when a guy comes in and we have that interaction and build that relationship. Um but again most guys won't tell health and and we want to cater to what moves the needle and changes the trajectory for guys.
Um if I were taking this time to ask questions for me which I do.
Ask away.
Well again I mean what peptides should I start?
Yeah.
All I want to do is get like maybe 9% body fat look lean and and be somewhat firm. Now, weightlifting does that correct?
But but if you got a big layer of fat over tight muscles, you still look chunky and and inflamed. I'm trying to look lean and cut.
How do I do it?
Yeah, great question. Um I typically always start with labs. So, you need we need your labs. You get your labs, see where you are, then you take symptoms and what your goals are. So, if your goal, for instance, is weight loss. I'll tell you a great peptide that's coming down the pipeline.
But is it weight loss? cuz I don't I don't care about weight.
Like I could be 250 lean and cut. I or I could be 180 lean and cut. I don't care what weight I am.
Is it are we saying weight loss or we saying hey I want a reduction in visceral fat or a belly fat fat.
Or inflammation? Like I like sometimes I look at my face on video.
And it's like I can see that it's not as lean as like maybe two weeks ago.
And I'm like, is that inflammation? Is am I retaining water? What is that? Yeah. I weigh the same.
Correct. No. So, my favorite go-to peptide here recently, ruritide. Um, it it's fantastic. So, it's in that GLP-1 type of family, but it hits three different receptors. A lot of people are on GLP-1s like Ozimpic, Menaro, some of the other weight loss medications. Um, and they're okay, but you end up losing weight, but you end up losing muscle mass. With ruide, you retain muscle mass for the most part. You lose some of this visceral fat. It helps with inflammation. It helps with the underlying metabolic processes. and it and it really moves the needle and you can micro dose it. So take a very small dose like a tenth of the dose you need and still get a lot of the benefits. So that's one of my go-tos. The other ones that I love are what we call the growth hormone secrets. And so that's think CJC, epomelanin, simmerian, great for sleep, muscle mass, body composition and and they help release growth hormone and you lose growth hormone as you age. So you need an extra push that that moves the needle for that. There's there's a ton of.
A peptide.
What's that?
The CJC.
Yes, it's a peptide. Yeah, CJC and.
Because I I see also people just throw in other stuff in when they're like, "Wait a minute, that's not a peptide."
They'll they'll add they'll create peptide blends and some of those are fine. The issue is, and I never encourage patients to start blends to start with. You want to start one peptide at a time. You want to see, do I have a reaction? How do I tolerate this? What are the benefits? What are the risks? so I can look at. But um but peptides are great. They're they're the wave of the future. It's just you have to know the source and you cannot get this stuff from a source that you don't know because it could have heavy metal toxicity. It you just don't know what you're getting.
So.
And 75% of this stuff may be coming from China and it's not being tested. There's no there's no formal testing. It's just coming in and being disseminated and people are injecting whatever. I don't know what they're injecting.
Well, I mean, that could be said for anything you're injecting.
Well, true.
Say, "Well, well, that came from a doctor." Well, how that doctor didn't source that [ __ ] We're just trusting that that came from.
There is a lot of trust out there.
Yeah. Well, again, I mean, I definitely would recommend anybody know where their uh drugs are coming from or their peptides because I have seen that where people are literally injecting peptides they got from their friend and there's not even a label on it.
Correct.
And someone asked me, "You want you want me to get you some?" I said, "Where? Hell no."
Correct. Like you're just going to inject that. You don't know anything. FDA doesn't approve it. And then they always say, you know, FDA, dude, that's that's what you're going to do. They're the ones wanting you sick. So, it's like, who do you trust?
I know. But at the end of the day, I will say this, I have had people come in and they have bought peptides from their friend or they've taken an injection and then they have like a sight reaction or they have some complications. So, we don't you hear about all the good things for peptides, but you don't hear about the complications. And there are complications. It's not just.
A lot of times it's sight infections. So you'll inject and you'll get like an injection site reaction. You have no idea what was injected. And so it can be cellulitis. It can be other infections that stream to the bloodstream. I've seen tissue necrosis where the tissue around the injection site dies from somebody injecting a peptide. Um and then a lot of other times you don't know what the heck caused it because you don't know what you're injecting.
What's the value of sunlight? I'm huge fan of sunlight. Um, we know that most people in America are vitamin D deficient. So, and vitamin D acts as a hormone. It acts for metabolism, immune function, so many other things. So powerful. And I do think we've we've the pendulum has shifted because we used to say don't get sun exposure because it causes skin cancer. And then now we're like, well, we're all vitamin D deficient because of that. There has to be a middle ground and we know we need vitamin D. So huge fan of sunlight particularly morning sunlight. Like one of my routines is wake up, pray, meditate, exercise and then I want to get some morning sunlight. I want to get my eyes on the sun to start with.
Eyes.
It's a game changer.
They say your eyes.
I'm not going to look directly at the sun but I want to I want to see the sun so that that's one of the first things during the day.
Well, there are people now I see them online sitting there looking sungazer. Yeah.
Yeah. And they say their eyesight gets better.
Yeah. Who knows?
See, this is the.
Maybe, maybe not.
I know, but like I wish there was the freaking truth.
It would be nice.
It would be nice, wouldn't it? To where the truth is just the truth. We've lived a long time that we we've been recording history. You would hope that we were smart enough as a species to just record the truth and share it.
No, I agree. And the problem is now with social media, I mean, everybody's got a voice, which is great, but you don't know what to believe. I mean, you've got wellness influencers that are telling you if you get red light, your life's going to change. Or if you do a cold plunge every fifth day, your life's going to change. Or if you do sauna and what what do you believe?
Do what do you believe when those two, red light and and cold plunge?
I think they're tools in the toolbox. Do I think they change your life? Probably not.
Well, I was cold plunging for a minute and and uh cuz I get my blood work every month usually. Nice.
I just like to see what's happening.
Love it. And uh when I started cold plunging, my testosterone went up because I didn't change anything. My testosterone was like that's when it was like 12,300. I didn't do anything. I just cold plunged and my test went up. I know that happened. Um it's refreshing here in Las Vegas cuz even in the morning 100° out.
Both of my boys are big cold plungers. They love it.
Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. But like I, you know, then I started reading, you know, oh, it could shock your heart.
And here we go again. I tell my wife the other day, you know, we're not supposed to eat that because this that. And she goes, she goes, "Honey, we're not going to be able to eat anything if we listen to anybody."
This is This is true.
You can't have ice cream. You can't have aspartame. You can't have sugar. You can't have anything. And then now they're injecting stuff into the meats.
Yeah.
So, I'm like, you know what I eat, by the way, every day?
What's that?
Two New York strips in the morning, two New York strips at night with a cup of rice for each one.
Love it. And then I just now recently cut it down to one New York strip, but that's all I eat. So I go get the prime New York strips and I put it in an air fryer. It's great. Yeah.
My wife shows me an article. Air fryer will get you poison. I'm like, come on now. What can I do? Cook it over a fire? Do I need to be a caveman?
And then I read an article. Now they're injecting mRNA into the cattle. So your your organic beef might be poisoned. And here we are eating. Always follow the money.
What about chemtrails?
That's not my lane. I.
Know. Can you imagine, dude? They're they're they're spraying. You can't catch a jet. You're not You don't even know where it lands.
So.
Do environmental factors cause health issues? No question.
Yeah. But maybe those chemtrails are they're just spraying us.
Yeah.
It it it you know, the snow that's falling that doesn't melt and you know, all the all the conspiracies that are out there.
I think we're under a chemical assault like every day in our homes though, Brad. I mean, like when you go into your kitchen and there's plastic cups and non-stick frying pans and this and that and then you go to the laundry room and there's detergents and additives and it's like literally everywhere is a constant chemical assault. It's exhausting.
So, so that's my point. How do you how do you protect yourself or do you just ride the wave?
I think sometimes I I mean you have to be smart about it so the environment does happen, but my wife and I have this conversation all the time like you're right, you can't just live in isolation. Like if you wanted to protect yourself in isolation, you could. But when you're having to articulate with the world, it is difficult. And I don't I don't know the answer to that. I mean, I know for us personally, like we've looked at like deodorants and washing detergents, and we've tried to make sure that, hey, things in the kitchen are glass and not plastic, and it's sort of an evolving process, but it's tough, man. I don't I don't have the answers. I do think environmental factors are leading to a lot of our health issues, though, and food factors are leading to health issues. No question.
So, what are your future plans? I know you want to go like help all the men with you know even mental issues through their health. What are your plans? Are you you writing books starting stages or are you just going to practice and keep doing what you're doing? You want to grow scale worldwide? What's your plan?
No, the the plan is to scale. I mean we're going to and and we see the most growth in the teleahalth platform. Um and so grow into grow in that. Um I am fixed right now on raising my kids. have four kids at home and I'm fixed on being very intentional and raising them um and and trying to leave a legacy and then next steps probably look like men's events, speaking on stages, um different platforms like that to get the messaging out. I realize now and I practiced 15 years and I've seen thousands of patients at this point. Um but I realize in order to move the needle and change the trajectory, I've got to get on bigger stages. I got to get in front of bigger audiences to get the messaging out because nobody is talking about this. Like nobody is talking about looking at a man's health from a whole perspective. We're talking about testosterone or how much you weigh or, you know, chemtrails or whatever, but we're not focused on the whole man. And that really is why my life has been changed from when I took I I made myself the CEO of my health and I went on this radical health transformation. And I want to ensure that every man behind me knows that their best days are ahead of not behind them. And that's what drives me. My family, my faith, my kids, and knowing that, hey, if we fix the biology and we fix a man, they become warriors and this country changes. Cuz we got a lot of issues right now. Like, and if you can fix men and make them warriors again and they're healthy and they're asking for help and they know the playbook, the world changes.
That's a fact. and we need more men like like you described.
Um.
What can the bomb squad do for you?
I would say help us get the messaging out. Like men need to hear this messaging and they need to know that hey there is a playbook. There's a road map on how you have clarity, strength, purpose at every stage of the game. You can have clarity, strength, and purpose from the time you're 20 to the time you die. And we want to help men live that out. Amen. Hey fellas, whole menshealth.com. You can follow him, Dr. Steven Sanders. You can find him on Instagram, Whole Men's Health as well. As always, till next time, stay healthy. Keep it real. I am.