Hackers of the Spirit Realm (government projects, hybrids, & clones) w/Dan Duval

There are people that I have sat down with, I kid you not, they are not in the original body they were born in. People who are not even their original body. What's the legality happening in the spirit? How do you resolve that?

She described all kinds of things, from like, even the mermaids. When they got higher level and more power in that kingdom, they got a different kind of tail and they went from the mermaid tail to the octopus bottom. When you see a person posing as a prophet, but they're using the third eye, these are the people that are going to see everyone's sin. And she's like, so, so both of my parents are clones. In front of 60 people, oh my gosh. 15 seconds, I'm talking to Sally, and then, you know, the face changes and contorts and the eyes roll back and then come back and it's okay, now I'm talking to Jessica. I was watching physical restructuring of bones in the face with some of the switches in real time. I was like, where is the original body? You're like, Antarctica, of course. Everyone wants to get to the high places, but if you want to go high, you first have to go deep.

What's up, crew? We are back with Jake. The great Jake. The great Jake. The great Sue, dude. I was about to say, you have rebranded me so quick. You did a really good job with. I'm a branding person. I know. Well done. Uh, we're back with somebody exceptional. His name is Dyall. Fastest in deep end history we've ever had a guest back on the show. It's been, what? We only had like a thousand people try to like threaten us if they never watch another show if they didn't see you again. So we had to. Wow. It was, dude, people were like, you, you kept talking about how you didn't have time. Stop doing that. I was like, like, sorry, this is not my full-time thing, guys. I had to do stuff. Yeah. But here you are. And, uh, did you miss your flight this time, or was it on time? Did they hold it for you?

I'm going to tell you something. The last time was your fault. Not me, bro. You got all dramatized for. I take full responsibility. Tell them what happened, man. I missed my flight. And my wife always checks me in via her app, but she was not with me to check me in her app. And so I did not check myself in on the app. And I got there and I realized that they had like moved back. I thought I could just walk on the plane. They're like, no, you didn't check in. And like the flight's not taking off for another 40 minutes. Said, no, like, what? And I just got shut down right there. I'm like, it's taking me longer to argue with you than it would take me to get through security. You should have done a deliverance for that gate agent right then there. Gate agent. He a gate agent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Drop them in a vat of living water. See how they like it. Actually, probably a good idea. Probably would have worked. I jumped in a vat of living water afterwards. I, you know, cleanse off all the frustration and bitterness in my own heart. Then I had to wake up at 3:30 in the morning and fly out that same day. But it was, it was good. I think. Yeah. God still used podcast. And oh, he used it. He's using it. Yeah. Uh, the amount, if I think you probably have seen some of the comments or scroll through them, it was a lot. In fact, I'm, I'm very impressed. And I have to say to, to you guys, you guys do an outstanding job with this podcast. Thank you. The thumbnails are top-notch. Everybody look at Jake right now. Okay. Not like you're the host of the show. Receive. Thank you. The encouragement. And I, I also have to give your audience a compliment. You know, because I did go through some of the comments and what I saw there was an extraordinary amount of comprehension. Yeah. And really folks that are very dialed in. And I, I don't know how so many dialed-in folks found you guys, but I'm very impressed by that. I'm very impressed by your audience. And, you know, I came in with that first podcast like, huh, I don't know, your audience really ready. And I, I'd say that 90% were. And so here we are. We're going to have a lot of fun. Dude, just the fact that it got published means it was a good episode because we delete a lot of deep end episodes behind the scenes and people don't know that. It's true. And we get, we get, we get a lot of haters too. But you can't force somebody to want help. That's the unfortunate part. It never works. Can't force them to want it. But the people who want it are here. Yep.

So speaking of that, um, I have, can I just take us into something I'm curious about for people? How would you intro Dan for people who have never heard him in 30 seconds? Oh, uh, some people, this is their first time seeing Dan. They've never seen it before. They have no idea who he is. You're right. I didn't do an intro. Did I? It's okay. Sorry, man. It's okay. Dan Duval is the founder of Bride Ministries. Uh, he is a deliverance expert. Don't you have a couple degrees? What's your main? You studied microbiology. I did. So microbiology. You have, uh, written books that have changed the way that I pray. Wow. Um, the prayers that shake heaven and earth, which is still sold out on Amazon, much to the frustration of the audience. You got to get that fixed. But you're someone who God has trained how to do deliverance. And you can always tell. You can sort of tell that somebody has been trained by a man versus somebody who's been trained by God, because some of the things you say don't make any sense until you impact them, uh, in fact, my wife was even saying this, like, Holy Spirit told her to do something one time with a traumatic event that had to do with water. And then she listened to your episode. She's like, that's the first time I've ever heard somebody say, like, I take this, dump it into a container of living water. So it's God saying the same thing to different people. But some people, he's given a lot to. And I think it's because of your calling. You're, you're kind of, you seem to be one of those, like, some people have like this last ditch anointing, you know, one of, I'm saying, like, is it, have people have tried everything else? Well, that's what I said for years. I said, if anyone shows up at our doorstep, it's because they've tried every other stop on the bus line. We're like the last, the last stop. We were for a long time. We've moved up a few stops because people are starting to jump the line and say, you know what, I'm just going to go straight to Bride Ministries now, because they're not, they're not as far outside of my belief system as they would have been three or four years ago. Yeah, because people are waking up all across the world. And that's not stopping. There's, we are in process of a great awakening. And so the more awakening happens, the more we move up that bus line. So that's, that's really exciting for me. You also have the spirit of God inside of you, and not everyone does. So we talked about this, but just so people that are watching this, that have watched a bunch of our other stuff, you can attest to this. Some people walk in here and they're smart, but I can't, I can't fully feel like sometimes, like the, the presence of the Holy Spirit. And I feel like you have that when you walk into places. I think the spiritual climate around you recognizes something, which makes room for what Deliverance God wants to do in that place. And it's almost like something's going in front of you to prepare it, you know what I'm saying? I do. So that's amazing. Whatever you've done to develop that relationship with God, teach us. I want to, want to do more of that. It, it didn't come easy or or or free. Well, shoot, it's not easy or free, you know.

Um, you want to start on living water? Sure. Yeah. Look, uh, you mentioned that your wife had this experience where God told her to do something. Mhm. And he told her to put something in living water. My introduction to living water happened in a dream. And it was really interesting. In this dream, I saw like two guys fighting on like a cliff. And it was almost like a Star Wars setting. So it's like outer space. And you had like a good Jedi and a bad Jedi, and they were fighting. So I see the good guy is doing his best, but he has several weapons, lightsaber, a little pistol, some, you know, melee weapon, or whatever, but they're getting broken one by one as he's trying to fight with his bad guy. And off to the side, it's like the, the, the view shifts and I see this massive, and it looks like a, a giant mouth. Would say it like that. Kind of like, um, you, you would see like a one of those, um, piranha plants or fly eater plants, like a Venus flytrap. Venus flytrap. Very good. And, and it, you know, it can clamp, but it's like a big mouth plant. Okay. So it looked kind of like that, but it was the size of like a moon or a planet. And it was like metallic looking. And I was like, wow, that looks vicious. And it, I don't know if it's a sculpture or something like that. And then I look back at the two Jedi fighting and it's like, wow, you know, this guy's really not doing well. You know, good is not prevailing here. And once the guy's weapons all get broken, he starts to pray in the spirit. He actually starts to pray in tongues in the dream. And I'm like, oh, yep, I'd probably do the same thing if I was fighting somebody and all my weapons were broken. And there's like nothing, you know, go in the spirit. And so as soon as he starts to pray in tongues, I look back over and that giant mouth planet thing turns into water. And I'm like, oh, it's coming alive. And but it's not metal anymore. It's like actually water. The whole thing is water. I'm like, wow, that's really vicious looking water. And then it like leapt out of this spot in space and I was like, oh gosh, this is not going to be pretty. And it chomped the bad guy and just completely consumed him. Wow. And I was like, wow, that is living water. And so that was my first exper exposure to living water. I, I not really considered that living water was anything more at that time in my life than a metaphor. Violent. Well, it, it has a lot of, so, so living water shows up in a lot of places in the Bible. Number one, you see it in the book of Jeremiah chapter 2. God is the Fountain of Living Waters. And so he says, you have forsaken me, the Fountain of Living Waters. And when you see what flows from God, even, even through the Tree of Life in The Book of Revelation, you see a river flowing. It, it's living water. When you get into the state of the believer, you know, the Bible says, out of his belly will flow forth rivers of what? Living Water. Living Water. So this living water thing is an interdimensional resource of God that is designed to do all kinds of applications. And it's not just a metaphor. It's actually a, what I would call a spiritual resource. Now, I remember one day I was working with a client and this was years ago. And, and of course, it, you know, in my first podcast, I explained, I work with people from every kind of background of trauma, Illuminati, s, government-sponsored mind control, whatever. And I was working with one of my clients that was from, most multiple backgrounds, like they had been through all the stuff. And they had a problem. This was their problem. They said, uh, Daniel, essentially, every time I want to look at this memory or go to this place with God, it hurts so much. I want to kill myself. Like the pain of the trauma is so intense, I can't even go there with God because it's, it, it pushes me into suicidal ideation. And that doesn't feel safe. But when I'm not looking at this memory, I, I feel guilt and shame and all these other negative things because I know that I need to press in and get to this trauma so that God can heal it. So they felt like they were in a double bind. And they knew that Jesus was going to heal the trauma, but the pain around it was so intense. And so they're in this double bind. And actually, there's a lot of people that find themselves in these situations all over the place. When they've been through something so hard, it's, they don't want to revisit it. Everything in them, it's, it's as if it is booby-trapped with a consequence. That consequence might be self-harm, it might be suicidal ideation, or something else. And so they're like, I don't know how to do this. And I was like, I, this was early on in my, in, in my work with folks. I didn't know what to tell them. I was like, I don't know what to tell you how to do this or how to break this double bind. So I prayed in the spirit. And, and God gave me a vision. I was like, I think he wants you to go into a Jacuzzi of living water on the inside of your, your inner world with him. And it was so funny because they, they told me, oh yeah, he showed me that Jacuzzi like last week. What? In prayer? Oh, my goodness. Exactly. Thank you, Jake. That's exactly how I felt. I was like, come on. And so, um, which to most people, if you're like a church person, you're like, a Jacuzzi on the inside of you? They're like, really, Dan? More than that. I was like, if you just remembered that, you would have saved me all of this sweat. So start with. So we put them, the, the, in, inside of their inner world, they went into a Jacuzzi of living water. Uh, Jesus went into the Jacuzzi of living water. And in that environment of living water on the inside, this is the result. The edge was taken off on the suicidal trigger on the trauma that was actually completely, uh, uh, alleviated experientially by the fact that they were in this different environment in their inner world with Jesus. And suddenly we were able to easily process this extraordinarily traumatic memory without the suicidal ideation. Wow. And we were able to work through it that day. Wow. So this is real. Yeah. Of course, it's real.

I'm going to give you something else now. I knew there was more. Did you see me holding out? There's so much more. So now water, water is is such a fascinating thing. If you get into it in the scripture. Now, if you get into the Book of Genesis chapter 1, you see that you have earth, right? And the Earth was Haya, meaning became essentially formless and void, tohu and bohu, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the spirit of the Lord was hovering over the waters. And so as God begins to work with the Earth in, in Genesis 1, you see that he separates the waters from the waters. And he develops this thing, uh, called rakia, and then he calls the rakia, which is firmament, Heavens. Now, one of the things about Heavens, that word comes from the Hebrew, shim. Um, sheen, the first letter on shim can mean teeth or press. And, um, so Heavens has Mayim in it. Mayim means waters. It actually means waters. So Heavens, when you break off the first letter, and the Hebrew word Mayim actually means pressed between waters or pressed between two waters, um, which you see happening when you have waters above and waters below, and then Heavens. Now, this is really, really interesting because one of the things that I, I am a big proponent of is that the ministry of of believers goes beyond getting saved and staying saved. So, so, you know, some people talk about this, I need to stay saved or whatever. I need to be good enough for God. Some of these concepts of how to walk out of, you know, whatever. And, and so, look, um, they, they do this reductionist thing. But what the Bible actually says in Colossians chapter 1 is that God through the cross, the blood of the cross, has reconciled heaven and earth. So you actually see the work of Jesus. And the whole Bible is centered on actually not man, but but Jesus. And, uh, uh, his work is actually reconciling the creation. So in the middle of that, you have man. And, and Jesus coming as a man. Now, watch this. When you have the, the heavens being established, you have waters on both sides of them. And the Earth is united to the heavens through waters. So what do you see when Jesus begins his ministry? He is baptized in water. That is the beginning of the convergence of heaven and earth on his ministry. So, question. Yes. Does that mean that, um, is baptism a necessary part of salvation, or is it necessary for healing, or how does baptism fit into the deliverance process? I think baptism is a commandment. And so baptism, baptism moves us, I believe, into the priesthood. It is like a, a, essentially like a rite of passage. So yes, we're saved by grace through faith. But then the first commandment is, now be baptized in water. But that water, that act of going under the water is, is, is the water itself unites heaven and earth. And so the ministry that we begin to execute as priests of God in this Melchizedek order is a convergence of heaven and earth and a ministry to heaven and earth. So it's a big deal. Living water, living water. And, and so, look, uh, living water is a massive tool. And a lot of believers would be shocked at how many applications of living water you have, um, in the spirit world. Another thing that we have run into is, uh, this is going to be funny, but like, um, demons hate it. Demons hate living water. So we will, um, use living water like as a tsunami. And we will send it in prayer at enemy encampments and they'll like wash out the demons. Um, we will, at, at times, you know, sometimes I'm working with survivors and they have inner worlds where you have all kinds of activity going on, angelic activity, demonic activity. And sometimes that demonic activity can be very difficult for the dissociated parts of them that live on the inside to deal with. They'll be tormented at night. The, the, you, you know, it can look like there's a whole bunch of little ones, four, five, and six-year-olds on the inside of an inner world. And the person will go, go through these waves of depression and anxiety and stress. And when they go into prayer or say, what's going on? They will actually see the demons persecuting the little ones on the inside of them that are vulnerable. And they have all these trauma wounds. One of the things we've seen do, uh, that God can do, he, he'll come in and give those little ones like water guns. I'm not kidding. Like water guns filled with living water. And the next time that wave of demonic assault comes at that particular group of dissociated soul fragments inside of those people, the little ones will fire on them with Super Soakers of living water. And the, the, the demonic entities will actually flee. And the person won't experience those waves of depression and stress and anxiety under certain circumstances because their inner world is armed to the teeth, dang, with actual heavenly resource. So we should all buy our kids water guns now. You're thinking, that's my takeaway from. No, I'm just kidding. That's not my takeaway.

I have a question on that. When it comes to, you're saying sending living water into the enemy's camp, like in a, like a condensed version, what does that look like to pray that? And in what circumstance specifically are you like, this is needed? Well, living water can be deployed at any time and for any reason. So it's not necessarily like you need it, but you can use it. Like I use the, for instance, the blood of Jesus. Also not as a metaphor, as an actual heavenly resource. Mhm. So I, I mean, I practically speaking, let me give you some examples of how we'll use the blood of Jesus. Right? We'll put the blood of Jesus around our home. We will speak, I place the blood of Jesus around the perimeter of my home. I apply the blood of Jesus to a building. Um, I apply the blood of Jesus to this mission field where, you know, uh, it will testify to the victory of Jesus Christ. And so the, the, the whole spirit world now reacts on that spiritual resource that's been established by the spoken word. Um, so we, we can use it in all kinds of applications. You know, when we get into actual spiritual environments, sometimes I, the angels do interesting things. Like I'll have them paint, going really deep, but like, you, you may have a, a structure in the spirit world. And it's like, okay, we, we need to reformat what's going on here, especially in the inner world. Mhm. I'll have angels come in and they'll paint all the walls, but we'll have the blood of Jesus in the paint. And that will be protective on the entire environment. And this, this greatly affects the broken soul parts of a person that are navigating that environment. It's really, uh, interesting. So in the same way as you, you can be creative with the application of heavenly resource, we'll be very creative with the application of living water. And so, uh, I mean, you could be as creative as you want. We could, we could set up waterfalls, we could call in torrential rains. Um, we, we, you know, some, sometimes when we're dealing with marine spirits, for instance, you'll find that they draw their power from enemy waters, like they're evil waters. So everything that God has, there are counterfeits of it. Waters of the abyss, for instance. And so when I find certain, uh, pockets of marine spirit activity, sometimes I will either, uh, speak that it is transformed into a dry place, so they, or, or reposition them, have the angels pull them into a dry place in the spirit where now they're suffocating and they cannot draw power. Or I will actually speak the replacement of a water source in the spirit world. And suddenly the living water does not allow them to draw power either. But they are being, it's, it's, it's almost like, you know, just, yeah, it's, it's reminiscent to like, I've been studying, um, the, uh, Moses and the Egyptians and how when God went after, after the gods of Egypt, like the most high God, he was using their own power against them. It's almost like he stripped whatever they were using and used it 10 times worse against them. It's like, like you got the marine kingdom using water. God's like, I'm going to use that against you, but a different power dial. And it's, it's interesting when God does that because he's like, I'm the one that gave you this. Take it. My, it's mine. And now you can no longer use it. It sounds like it's similar. I would say so, yeah.

Is there a hierarchy in these? We talked about kingdoms last time. Is there a hierarchy, or are they all just on the board? The Marine Kingdom, the, the Earth, the hollow Earth, what's under the Earth? Are they all the same? Gosh, I don't exactly know. Taylor, next show, God give this man a vision about the hierarchy of the kingdoms. But, but I do know, I, I know certain things about of the kingdoms. Can we, can we touch that real fast? Yes. So you're saying there are multiple kingdoms? There's Marine Kingdom, and then there's a bunch more. Which, first of all, I didn't even know there was a Marine Kingdom that was legit until I heard of you. So, yeah, what other ones exist? All right, so we'll just do a deep dive. Great. Number one, you talk about the devil being the prince of the power of the air. There's definitely an air kingdom. A lot of activity in the atmosphere. There is an underground realm. There's all kinds of activity going on underground. We talked a little bit about this last time, but you do have certain groups, including like reptilians. You have bases that are definitely have other life forms in it. That is not human. Things that have been reported to me include what are described as alien grays, include what are described as mantis type beings. Um, you do have the kingdom that goes deeper than that in the hollow Earth. This includes all kinds of activity, including Nephilim, actual giants have been reported to me that live down there. Whole civilizations, corporations. I mean, it's unbelievable. And you have, uh, the underwater kingdoms. Now, you have, and this is how it's been explained to me, you have different underwater kingdoms in different areas of the world. You have different underwater cities. One of the things that has been explained to me is that many of the surface cities that are on the coasts, you will have underwater cities that correspond to the cities on the surface. This is especially true around the coast of Africa. Definitely true in like some of the Caribbean islands, including there's two major underwater spirit cities off of the coast of Haiti. Um, and definitely off of the coast of, uh, California. There are underwater cities, like legit physical places. Uh-huh. Yeah. With people or just spirits? Both. Both. And you have people that, uh, can take different forms and go into these cities. And that's part of what we talked about on a whole series that I did on my podcast with with Priscilla. And she was a mermaid. I mean, she literally was initiated in a way that allowed her to shapeshift in order to go underwater and to be part of some of these kingdoms. She described all kinds of things from like, how even the mermaids when they got higher level and more power in that kingdom, they got a different kind of tail and they went from the mermaid tail to the octopus bottom. You know, and how she had different forms. So like if you went to Arctic waters, you had, uh, like blue on the. Now we're in the deep end, bro. We're like, the first one like, we're not going to mermaids on the first one. Go. Okay. So no, but, but this is just one kingdom though. And one of the things that people need to understand as well is that the reality is, when you go deep areas of the spirit world and the kingdom of darkness, shapeshifting has a lot to do with the places that you may go. And, and so this would extend into the secret. Now, I would, I would put secret space program in with part of the. So I'm interrupting that conversation, but like, part of the kingdom of the air, because with the secret space program, you have a lot of technology that is based on cloning and is based on soul trafficking. So this is what actually happens. Let's say they need to run an operation on a different planet, but that planet has a different environment. Well, they may design a reptilian body with a person's DNA in it and hybridize it with some other stuff. So it's like partially reptilian, like they grow it in a lab. That may be done in an off-planet lab. They will take the soul fragment of a person that's been through mind control projects, you're typically government-sponsored, so they have access to these people. Um, they will pull that soul part or consciousness out of the body. They will put it inside of this reptilian, uh, composite body. And they will run an operation with that body, which is a type of cloning technology, on the other planet where the atmosphere and the air and all this stuff is different. And then they will pull that soul part back into the body when necessary or applicable. Um, you'd be surprised at how far cloning technologies have gone. And because we're, we're in an age now where we're engineering our way into all of these different kingdoms, like there's a lot of partnership that's happened. And so, so, I mean, I even have prayers to deal with the phenomena of a person that comes to get deliverance ministry in the clone body because the original body is on ice in Antarctica. And I'm not kidding. This is not a public prayer source because, you know, people are, I mean, I guess your audience is now going to be ready for it. This is going to get slapped in the face. But there are people that I have sat down with, I kid you not, they are not in the original body they were born in. And the problem with that is, you run into weird legalities in the spirit world because it's like the person is making claims on what they want God to do, but the counterargument from the spirit world is, this physical body is property of the US government, therefore their requests for freedom from these things do not apply. And so then we have to figure out, well, how do we get around that? Lead. You have to imagine, dude, I have been very quiet on a lot of. Are we putting this behind the paywall or a different channel about? So, so, so we have a whole prayer resource just to get authority to do deliverance on the clone body. I, you know, I, I teach my students this stuff. This is not, you cannot leave this open loop longer. Any, does it work? Of course, it works. So God, God gives you. We just need to give a second. Do we have pictures of anything? Stop. Does it do? Hold on. Okay. Thank you for that. We're going to go back into Dan's normal pace in just a second, but I actually have to slow down now. This is the second time in history on this show that that I've slowed us down. I have a question. Yes. The legal argument from the spirit when you're praying through this, is God making a like an adjustment to the legal system, or is this, is this always God's intent to save people who are not even their original body? Like, what do you have? What's the legality happening in the spirit? How do you resolve that? Exactly. So, um, you, you, you can imagine my shock when I'm sitting in these kinds of situations. I, I remember, uh, a couple years ago, I was doing an intensive. So one of my intensive. So I, I have 60 people sitting there. And, um, I have a girl come up and she's like, so both of my parents are clones. And in front, in front of 60 people. Oh my gosh. And I'm like, no. She looks, you know, like a normal person. She, she's a wonderful girl. I mean, great. Hangs out at our church. I mean, you know, but she's not a clone. So I, I, I, I'm just saying, like, this was a, like a real shocker for me. And so we did ministry demonstration and there was huge breakthrough that day. But it didn't have anything to do with the cloning thing. But yeah, I mean, um, I remember on another occasion, so we work our way into this. I was sitting down with a woman, this is separate, completely different story. And, uh, we're on the internet. So, you know, I do a lot of my ministry over Zoom. And she is switching about every 15 seconds. So, you know, it's like 15 seconds, I'm talking to Sally. And then, you know, the face changes and contorts and the eyes roll back and then come back. And it's like, okay, now I'm talking to Jessica. 15 seconds. Next thing I know, I'm talking to Steve. 15 seconds. Next thing I know, I'm talking to Joe. 15 seconds. Um, I was waiting for her to crawl up the wall with her back shoulder blades. Like I was like, this is about to happen for real right now. Um, so the things that I've seen are intense. And, uh, I was watching physical restructuring of the bones in the face with some of the switches in real time with my own eyes, right? And, and so eventually I just got tired of it and I was like, stop. So I had the angels hold a part at the surface so it couldn't move. And I said, is this the original body? They're like, no. I'm like, well, that's probably part of the problem of why we can't get a grasp on anything. This person had been to many deliverance ministers, many ministries, many, nothing would help them. Hit the wall on everything. And I was like, where is the original body? They're like, Antarctica, of course. You know, um, that particular case was many years ago. And, um, I, I wasn't fully successful in helping that individual. You know, I did a few sessions with them. And, you know, there was certain things I asked them to do, certain things I asked them not to do. They didn't listen to any of it, frankly. And, um, I just said, look, if we're, if we're not committed, then I, I'm really, I can't continue to just meet with you. So that went its own direction. But that was one of my exposures to like, if this person is not lying, or their parts are not lying to me, I'm actually talking to a body that's not original. Now, uh, uh, if you listen to, there's a guy out there, I actually interviewed this gentleman on my own program. His name is Tony Rodricks. And he wrote a book called Series Colony Cavalier. Sweet guy. Um, and, you know, one, one of his things was, he, he was explaining the 20 and back. And when he was talking about the 20 and back, and so I'm bearing on his information a little bit, but people can look him up. You know, he, he basically said, as a child, they, they took him for 20 years on a secret space program thing. It wasn't all secret space program. He spent some time in South America, this and that. And at the end of 20 years, the contract was up. They put him back. The time shot him back into his body at as a child. And then he relived those years. Um, and there wasn't a, like awakening until after that 20 years had passed. And then suddenly, like later on in his life, he got this massive download of all these memories of everything that happened on what he called the 20 and back. And so if you, if you work through his story, one of the things that he explains is his physical body was still living life that 20 years, but the consciousness, and it was alien grays that were involved in this. They pulled it out of him and put it in a clone body that went through some MK Ultra type stuff. Stu. And then got put on missions and then was recruited and went to Mars and eventually Series Colony, which is a NA colony off planet. Okay. So if any person had met him in South America, they would have met his human consciousness in a clone body while his physical body was also physically growing up in his hometown. And that got me thinking, wait a minute. He's essentially explaining exactly what I'm running into. Because they didn't destroy his physical body. Put on ice in Antarctica. But this is what I ran into with this other person. And then I started working with other people. And I would find that sometimes what I was meeting was their consciousness in clone bodies, whereas the, uh, original body was somewhere. I was actually meeting their clones. But the consciousness that's in those bodies is humanity. It's actually the soul. And this is the premise for a lot of these newer projects. Like they are splitting the soul and doing consciousness transfers into other bodies. But not all of those bodies would look human. So sometimes people are meeting what they think are entities. There's human souls inside of these bodies. Those bodies were built. So, so they're not like genuine reptilians or genuine alien grays. So it, this further complicates the whole alien conversation, right? Um, especially when you realize that some of those things are actually your clients. I had another gentleman, so I'm weaving up tapestry together. His name is Benjamin Brody. And he was on my podcast. And he talked about, so, so he was part of a bloodline. And one of the agreements on the bloodline was that so many people would be autistic. And then they would be involved in certain operations in the spirit world. And he had a counterpart body that was reptilian that he did missions in on, I, I believe he, it was Mars. And so, he had memories of that. Reported that on my podcast. He talked about it. And, um, so with the human clones, though, when people are in that state, maybe it is part of a 20 back, maybe it is part of some other kind of thing. But somehow they end up sitting in front of me in that condition. Now, we run into weird legalities in the spirit. Like, well, you know, this physical body isn't property of this person. It's property of the Chinese government, or the US government, or this or that. And, and so they don't have authority to make agreements or to get deliverance or to get this nanotech out of the body or whatever kind of deliverance we're trying to do, because we put it there and it's our property. So what we essentially have to do is to get the soul in the body to make a claim on that body on the basis of their case of injustice, that they are going to take ownership of that body as theirs. And we're able to process that. Do I have some fancier language in the actual prayer to address like some nuance? But essentially, once that is done, then we can begin administrating on that clone body, essentially the deliverance on the soul. And it, it, it works. It's as weird as that sounds. And for some people, and this is the worst part, I remember, um, another client I had, so it's, uh, another client that I had, you know, she was part of Project Montauk. And she actually told me about the furnaces they had under Project Montauk in New York, because once they started doing the, the cloning and the transference activity, they were taking people, putting them in new bodies, and then burning the original so they could never go back. What that was towards the end. If now Montauk is shut down, it doesn't run anymore. It's, you know, now it's just a park on top of a sealed off vault. I've been there. Um, but yeah, like this stuff goes deep. Where were we? Were we working our way into the Marine Kingdom? We are, just gonna pause and make sure Jake is one main question that I have is, you've mentioned Mars multiple times now, just out of pure curiosity, and I'm sure the audience is wondering this too, is like, why does the devil or the kingdom of darkness, why do they care at all about any other planet other than Earth? What, what significance? I know Oya has mentioned in in Job, it's mentioned in different parts of the Bible, but like, why, why, why is the kingdom of darkness interested in other planets besides Earth? What do, what do they have to gain?

There's a, a ancient history. One of the things that is very clear to me is that, and, and this goes with the whole pre-Adamic conversation, right? My basic view is that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. And there is a gap. A whole lot of things happen. I believe that that includes Lucifer being thrown out of heaven, smashing the Earth being turned into ashes upon the Earth, Ezekiel 28:18. Um, um, 18. And then the Earth was formless and void. And God begins a renewal process. Uh, if that is the view that we take, um, which I'm not going to legislate at this moment, then we find Adam in the garden, not at the beginning of the story. That's actually the middle of the story. Mhm. And if Adam becomes the middle of the story, what you realize is Adam comes behind a lot of cosmic history connected to this universe that God is using man to make corrections on. So the whole creation groans awaiting the manifestation of the sons of God, according to Romans chapter 8. Jesus is reconciling all things, whether in heaven or on Earth, through the blood of his cross, according to first, uh, Colossians chapter 1. But Adam was placed on the earth. And one of the interesting things, and, and this comes back to the whole conversation on on waters and, and creation, um, in the Book of Genesis 1:1, it says, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. And, and in that first clause of the Bible, *Bereshit bara Elohim* in the beginning, God created *shamayim* (heavens) and *eretz* (Earth). You see two what are called *alef-tavs*. *Alef-tav* is basically an untranslated Hebrew word. Um, but when you get into the New Testament, you get the key that Jesus says, I am the Alpha and the Omega. Well, what is Alpha and Omega? It's the first and last letters of the alphabet, which is *alef-tav*. So in the Hebrew, the counterpart of the Greek *alpha* and *omega* is Jesus. So every time you see an *alef-tav*, you see some kind of administration of Jesus. And so Jesus is from the beginning of the, the Old Testament to the end of the Old Testament. And you will also see certain letters either before or after the *alef-tav* that give indication on the nature of the work of Jesus. Because in Hebrew, it is a massive algorithm. Every letter has both numerical value and definitional meaning. So in, in that first clause, you have, in the beginning, God created *alef-tav* (heavens). So basically, you're looking at, in the beginning, God through Jesus created the heavens. And there's a second *alef-tav* between *shamayim* and *eretz*. So through Jesus, God created the Earth. But the second *alef-tav* has a *vav* on it. It actually is *vav alef-tav*, which means that if you really understand what you're looking at, in the beginning, God created through Jesus the heavens and created and nailed the heavens to the Earth. Because *vav* means nail. Hey, welcome back to the show in just one second, but I got to let you know something really cool. On December 10th, in New York City, we are doing our second Deep End event with Apostle YY and Dan Duval, who you're watching right now. And by the way, just so you know, the episode gets crazier. It's awesome. Enjoy. Hope you're loving us so far. Uh, but we're going to be in New York City. It's going to be a blast. Plan to be there all day. If you're coming, there's a link on the screen, TaylorWelsh.com/NYC. If you are listening, and then there's also a QR code on the screen as well, if you're watching on your TV. So anyways, I'm going to let you all go back to the episode. So excited to see you guys here. And, uh, the last event sold out in 70 minutes, so we'll see what happens with this one, but excited to see you guys there. So what that means is the destiny of the whole heavens is anchored to the destiny of the Earth. And then what does God do? He pulls man out of the dust of the Earth, which means that he anchors the destiny of the Earth to man. And then what does God do? He sends Jesus Christ as a man, which anchors the destiny of man to Jesus. And then what does God do? He nails Jesus to the cross, which anchors the the destiny of man, and therefore the Earth, and therefore the heavens to the cross. Dang. So everything gets resolved at the cross in heaven and earth. Now, the cosmic history of our universe is held in the balance of the finished work of Jesus Christ. And there is a lot of cosmic history that predates Adam in the garden, and a lot of it happened on some of these other planets and other star systems, Orion, Pleiades, the Delta system, Venus, Mars, Saturn. In fact, I have found. Take us, bro. You're on a roll right now. Am I? I'm just, we're never this quiet. So yes, I mean, I, all right, I was really worried that I would come on this podcast and like, regret the whole thing afterwards. Like, how did I say that? I shut. But, okay. So just go. The first episode for Dan was a test to see if he could do this. One. Oh, I see. He's like, I purposely get your audience's feedback first. All. So now we're really. Yeah, they're good. They love it. Um, so, so I have found more humanity in the rings of Saturn than you can imagine. It's like, I mean, every time I turn around, it's like, all right, where's a spiritual prison? Rings of Saturn. Where's it locked up? Rings of Saturn. I mean, we have pulled.

So many Soul parts and human Spirit fragments. And and when I say human Spirit fragments, Psalm 51:17: "For the sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." You know, it's like, so, so this. But not only does the soul fragment, the spirit fragments. And some of those Spirit fragments are locked up in the rings of Saturn. And some of that, I mean, I literally ran into this just this week. Some of that is pre-Adamic bondage on the human spirit, which gets into what we were talking about the first time I came on. You know, I talked about, you know, the, the pre-Adamic experience of my own spirit and all, all the stuff. And how, how it mattered to Jesus. Every soul mattered. And he's like, "No, we're going to finish this in a different age." And that really rocked me on this side because now I'm learning the heart of God. MH.

But if we back out of that, like, love story, and we just look at the implications of that, the, the truth is, there's been a lot of trauma associated with God's creation that has gone on for a very, very long time. And the heavens hold the record of that, literally.

Now, when we begin to look at something like, um, and I'm going to just pick on Venus, and then I'm going to come back to Mars. Venus is such an interesting subject because Venus is the Morning Star, but Venus is also an evening star. It actually holds both roles. And from culture to culture, I mean, I'm talking the Mayans to, like, Babylon to the Sumerian, like, everybody has their whole stick about Venus. And with that said, even in the Christian belief system, Hallelujah, when He is revealed in Isaiah 14, is called the Morning Star, Venus. Venus. So, not only is Hallel associated with Venus, you know who else is associated with Venus? Who? Aphrodite, the Queen of Heaven, Isis, Semiramis, like, the, all the, which is like pretty much the same goddess revealed in multiple, you know. Aphrodite becomes Venus in, in, in the Roman Pantheon. Like, Venus is both Lucifer and the Queen of Heaven. Like, it represents both. But, but Lucifer is the Morning Star, and the Queen of Heaven is the Evening Star. Now, it's the same planet.

One of the interesting things that you find is that the Babylonian mystery religion, it really seems to be centered on two major symbols: the Obelisk and the Dome. And you see it all over the place, including in the Vatican, including in Washington D.C. You have the Obelisk, right? Washington Monument. And the Dome, right? It's, it's like, you know. But you see this, and, and, and it has extraordinary magical significance. Um, the, the reality is, the, the mystery religion seems to have every association to the planet Venus. And the Venus is the eight-pointed star. If, if you've ever seen an eight-pointed star, that is an association to Venus. And this star goes back thousands of years. And the funny thing is, no one can figure out how these ancient people, who were using Venus' eight-pointed star, could have known that Venus is the eighth planet into this solar system from the outside coming in, beginning at Pluto. How would they know that? You couldn't see Pluto from the Earth in these ancient times. But somehow, they had this knowledge of Venus that is very ancient.

Then you have, when you back into Mars, uh, uh, uh, Sidonia, you have the Face on Mars, which looks like the half-man, half-lion, which we, we see in our Sphinx. Like, what is that connection? You know? And, and there's a lot more because now when I talk to some of my clients, we, like, we know for a fact that they have been doing operations on Mars for a very long time. There are corporations on Mars. There are bases on Mars. There are military operations on Mars. There are many different entity groups on Mars. And one of the interesting things that comes out, and I'm not sure 100% if this is true or not, it's certainly not Biblical history, now I'm just talking, but stories, right? It seems like there was an ancient race known as Martians that went through some kind of extinction-level event in an ancient history context. And now, what's going on on Mars doesn't necessarily involve that group per se, but the remnants of that group and its DNA are certainly found. And we have gotten people delivered of Martian DNA for sure on this side.

Now, I'll pause there. And we haven't talked about Sidonia really yet, so that's, people will have to, maybe we'll do a third episode. Um, is this linked to when you're talking about people on Mars and DNA? Is astral projection a part of this? Like, are there missions done via astral projection? Because we know the government's using that a lot, or is this something different?

So, um, astral projection is definitely part of it. I, now, there's different layers on that conversation because the average person could not astral project to Mars without some kind of significant iniquity and trauma and all kinds of other stuff going on. Uh, I mean, the average person, like me, if I was going to try to learn astral projection, I'd probably be pretty excited to get about as high as, like, you know, 20 feet above your house. Like, okay, you know, I can go maybe down the street after some practice. Like, I, the astral projection, uh, uh, has to be powered up with quite a bit of iniquity if you're going to have a person that actually astral projects to other planets. And I have clients that can do that or have done that for sure. However, what typically happens would, would be more like remote viewing. If you have a person doing some kind of a cult practice to, to look at a location in some place, they, they call it remote viewing. Y. And, um, which also can go timelines as well. So you can go remote viewing backwards. Yes. Yes. And, then you have the soul trade, where you just shatter the soul, pull the consciousness out of the body, put it on some kind of trade route, put it through a portal, put it in some kind of way to that location, and then have it there. And one of the ways to do that is to transfer it into, like, what I was describing earlier, a clone body, and put the clone body on a craft and send it to Mars in 15 minutes or whatever that time of travel is, um, for that, that trip. Depends on where the planet is. Okay. Got it. Okay.

Um, all I wanted to say, I want to make sure this is accurate, because for a lot of people, including me, I know I'm not the only person at this point, is listening to this going, like, "What the heck?" And I also recognize there was probably a point for you when you heard this for the first time, and you were like, "Nah." Yes. Like, "In 60 seconds, what got you to bridge that gap of like, 'This is so nuts, there's probably a demon just throwing me on a rabbit trail, doesn't want me to catch them.' It's really simple." And then you were like, "Wait, this is legit." What bridged that gap between your, "This is nuts, you're insane," to, "I actually believe this, and now I actually legitimately help people work through this, because you're one of the only people in the world that, that I know of, that does this." What bridged that gap?

The heart of God. Because as fantastic as everything that I'm saying sounds to the person that is breaking out of a false reality overlay, there are people that Jesus loves that are held in bondage because of their exposure to this reality that can only get set free by the Spirit of Truth, which requires them to confront the problems that they're facing through the lens of this reality. And they have an advocate that's been called to walk alongside of them. And primarily, that advocate is Jesus. But he has found a yes-man in me. And I said, "You know what, Jesus, if believing this and addressing these problems with this lens is what it takes to get your children, your children set free, I will do it. I will believe it. I will go there." And the fruit that has followed is deliverance, healing, breakthrough. Even when under other ministry approaches, perspectives, and paradigms with the faith based in Jesus, there was no progress or breakthrough. With this perspective, there is. And so, what I tell people is, the Holy Spirit never heals based on a lie. So when the Holy Ghost is healing and delivering people, and it is on the basis of a paradigm that is being embraced, you can pretty much guarantee that is the paradigm of truth, regardless of how far outside of the false reality overlay those data points sit. And so that's how I got there. It, it was literally, "What does it take to deprogram people that come out of the deepest, darkest places in the name of Jesus?"

That's beautiful. That's a really, really, really good. That's really good. All right, let me put a, let me put an endpoint on this, um, just so people know. Humans have been trying to do remote viewing for a long time. 1984, uh, 1970s, Stargate Project. I think I'm just putting a little bit of like, backing behind what you're saying. Declassified CIA documents, um, Yu-Gi-Oh Swan, the moon, and the Mars, the secret space programs. So people can go look this up. And a lot of it's declassified now. So you can literally see them. Like, and, in fact, I've got a really close friend who's like, probably getting a little too close to like, this remote viewing thing. And so I'm just like, he, I'm like, "I don't want to, I don't want to touch it." But it's a real thing. People are doing it. And they're starting to teach other people how to do it outside of the scope of the government. So it's going to be interesting to watch with that.

Can I take on a different rabbit hole? It connects a little bit, but the third eye. M. There's a lot of people that seem to be confused. And what's confusing is, like, "Oh yeah, we did talk about that on the first one." We did, but we need to probably tighten it up a little bit, um, because there are Christians who are like, "The third eye is a gift from God, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Like, the P, I think it's the pineal gland, is what they call it, right? That's the, it's like literally a part in your brain, I think. Well, the third eye is like on your forehead, but it activates through the pineal gland, I think. Um, so there, there's also questions around people saying, like, "How do I open up? How am I opening myself up to be trafficked? Like, how is this happening with my soul? Is the, the third eye something that people are using offensively that's opening up up to other things? Like, does it expose your body? Like, what's the, let's put it down like, what's the real problem with the third eye? And how do we close that? Do we just pray to close it? And what about Christians who are like, 'No, it's a gift from God, we should use it'?"

So, the, uh, uh, most straightforward way to close a third eye is to confess that it is open, uh, that it has been used for ungodly purposes, and then to repent for that, and then renounce it. Literally, one, two, three. Confess that it is true, repent, then renounce it. Um, and surrender it. Then I would bind and cast out any demons that have been working in and around a person's environment because their third eye was open and active. And, um, at that point, unless there's something very special going on, that's usually all it takes to close the third eye. That process. So, only humans have this third eye? Like, the demonic are using it? Because they, they're getting access to stuff now?

So, so the way that I, you know, explained it last time, I, I believe that a lot of the gates, including the third eye, but also like the different chakras, the, uh, and even the points on the Kabbalah, the tree, and how that interfaces with the human body, those are like energy convergence points that can, through initiations and occult practices, be opened up. And I would call them, in that context, they're being usurped and hijacked or misappropriated as gates. And they're not legitimate gates. And so, what, what trades in and out of those gates is not Holy Spirit, it's other spirits. And so, specific to the third eye, yes, it is the pineal gland. Yes, it often manifests in the forehead. However, sometimes the third eye can manifest in other locations relative to the head. It's not always the middle, sometimes it's, you could be on the side, in the back. Like, the third eye can appear in different places if you'd like, can see it and look at it. It's like, "Oh, no, it's this person has it over here." But essentially, it's used to be able to see into the astral plane with clarity, not because of the discernment of spirits that's legitimately flowing from Holy Spirit, but through a, a usurpation and misappropriation of human design. So you're using a, a, a gate now that should not be used for that purpose, for that purpose. It's kind of like, you know, eating your peas with a, with a steak knife. It's like, "Can it be done?" Yeah, but you might slice your tongue in the process. Like, it's not, you don't use a steak knife to eat peas, you use a fork. So it's misappropriating something that you know is there. There is, there is a pineal gland. And, humans are designed to operate on both sides of the veil. But the way you do it matters, right? And that's the, the, the big thing with the third eye. It's just not the way that God wants us to deal with things. And, and so, because it's illegitimate, because it's a usurpation, the kind of traffic that comes in through a third eye, it's going to be a lot of the demonic. Like, could a person see an angel and some angelic activity with the third eye open? Maybe, to a degree. But there's going to be a big focus on the demonic realm and the lower regions of the second heaven. They're going to see a lot of that world. You know, um, when you see a prophet, you know, posing, a person posing as a prophet, but they're using the third eye, these, these are the people that are going to see everyone's sin. Like, they, they just going to prophesy your sin and your issue to make you feel guilty and manipulate you into all kinds of things. Because that's what they see. They don't see the heart of God for your life. They don't see the heavenly scroll. They're looking at a lower realm. But they are seeing it. And so, you, you, you, you could see the mark of manipulation on counterfeit prophetic ministries because, yeah, they're using the third eye, which is a counterfeit gate to process supernatural knowledge. Dang.

Um, okay. Dang. All right. Well, that rules out like a bunch of, uh, mysteries. This is a loaded episode. This is a loaded episode. Okay. Got it. So, uh, repent or, or confess, repent, and renounce, similar to how you would kind of deal with an altar as well. But it sounds like the third eye is almost being accessed by the spirit realm as an altar they can come in and leave at will, um, without your permission if it's open. Is that correct?

Yeah, there's, there's, there can be all kinds of traffic in and out of it. Yes. Okay. And we have seen that for sure. So, um, you know, and one of the things that, and, and this kind of builds on some of the other themes that, um, you know, we've been talking about. Humans by design are supposed to be gates. Like, that is part of why God made us the way he did. So you can usurp a gate to allow for counterfeit traffic to come in and out of it. Like, the southern border of the United States, right? It wasn't designed to have, we know MS-13 gang members, young children, right, being trafficked over the border without citizenship, all kinds of things, right? You put a border there, it's a gate, but there's supposed to be legitimate traffic. Well, we are gates. In fact, the Bible says, "Lift up your heads, O ye gates! Lift up your heads, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in." So we're supposed to be the gate of Jesus. Yes. But with this kind of stuff, we end up being a gate for other things. We get usurped. You know, uh, one of the cool things about Jesus is he models this idea that as humans, we are this massive introduction to the Earth of heavenly activity. We are essentially walking gateways of the dimension of God. So Jesus said, "You will see angels descending and ascending upon the Son of Man." This was kind of like a reference to Jacob's Ladder. He put his hand on the rock. Angels ascending, descending upon that rock. Yeah. Well, the rock is Christ. And Jesus is the firstborn among many brethren. So what he did, and what we partake of. So now, as his children, members of his body, we're that. Yeah. Okay. An interesting study that people could go through on their own time is looking at all of the gates that were usually places of altars in the Old Testament, and then looking at the, at how God uses people in the New Testament almost as like the gates that he was using with altars in the Old Testament. That was, uh, Bethel, right? With the, uh, ascending. And was that Bethel? Yeah. So Jesus is essentially, Apostle, uh, taught me this, Jesus is saying, "What used to be an altar is now a man." And you have the same with Mount Sinai. And there are signs that accompany these different altars that now accompany God's people in the New Testament. And I think it's a fascinating study for somebody to go through because you'll go through seasons of your life where you were being exposed to the glory of God every time you turn around. And with your exposure to the glory of God, he's sharing his instruction with you. You have, you have taken Mount Sinai, and God is using you as a gate for your generation right now to do what? Expose people to the glory of God and share the instruction with them. You take Bethel, and every time you go into a room, people begin to hear God's voice, and people begin to see spiritual activity. What's God doing? He's using the altar that Abraham bought at Bethel. He's using a man as a gate to walk into a room and open up. It's like, so cool when you learn this. Um, you're a, you're a, a gate. Dan, that's what you're doing. You break open healing for people. Just super awesome. Thank you.

Can we keep going? Ready? How you guys feel? Great. Yeah, I feel like we just started. So I'm just going to keep going. We're like, only like an hour 15. So where are we going next?

I, well, I want to talk about, you talked a little about the lower levels of the second heaven, which means that there's a hierarchy in the second heaven. Yeah. We, we only got to like the marine kingdom. Well, I almost don't even care about the kingdoms anymore. I want to talk about Jesus. Go for it. How, how are we supposed to interact? So you take, you take somebody whose life has, they've been stuck. Like, it's not, it's not their fault that they're not in their original body. Like, it's not their fault. Like, they've just been stuck. And then you take them through deliverance. How does one, how does one heal after this trauma? Like, how do they learn to interact with the heavens and interact with Jesus? And interact? Because is that just a, you're just healed and you're done? Or is there a process you take people through to heal after trauma like this to be able to integrate back into the second and third heaven?

That's a loaded question. Mhm. So this gets into this, so this gets into territory that is, um, a little bit difficult to explain. Okay. So let me, let me put it like this. Let's, let's say we did something very, very literal. All right. Um, you have two legs. They are hairy. Yes. People complain about them all the time. And, and very human, very fleshy, blood flows through them, right? But we, we say, "No, we're going to make you RoboCop." So lop off the legs and, and put cybernetic legs on you. Okay. Now, your soul is still in your body, but your legs are not human legs. They are definitely machine. Okay. How do I now make your machine legs human again? So that realistically, you're like, "Well, you know, you lopped off my legs. Now, now it's machine. My soul is here. Uh, the legs are what they are." There are certain things that do change a person through technology, and it just, it is what it is. And that's one of the things we talk about, what they've coined conspiracy theory, which, by the way, is a CIA op, right? They just wanted to be able to control, control the narrative. Yeah, they wanted to control the narrative, reinforce the false reality overlay. But when we get behind the, the, the, the veil on some of this stuff, and we realize, okay, no, what was called conspiracy theory is true. They are doing these projects. They are doing the cloning. They are doing the nanotechnology. They are doing the genetic engineering. They are doing the transhumanism, merging man and machine. Yes. They are finding more people than are getting their brains sewn with neural lace so they can interface with the internet with machines through a brain technology interface. I mean, this is all happening in real time. This is actual technology being put in, in place in people's bodies. People are being changed in real time. This is, this is the world that we have been living in for decades because before it was becoming more and more public, they were way ahead in the underground bases and in the secret laboratories and definitely in the off-planet stuff. So when you find someone that comes out of this world, and this is their background, like, like I said, with the cybernetic legs, like there are some things that are, they just are what they are. And then there's what you are able to minister to. So you still minister to the humanity. Can we resolve everything? Um, well, yeah, it's complicated. It's very complicated. I mean, when you talk about, okay, well, I'm going to take on a clone. And as we work into their story, we realize their original body is on ice under a lab in Antarctica, where they went multiple times. And the body that's sitting here in the United States is their clone. But their humanity is in there, and they're trying to get freedom. It's like, "Well, we just got to work with what we got. That's what's sitting in front of us." You know, I, I told all my students, like, "How do you minister to a clone?" It's like, "The same way you'd minister to anything else because you have to understand, in essence, the clone, which is physical technology. You have soul, which is from God. And so the humanity is what we minister to. And we do everything we can." And so now, with that said, I, one of the things that I tell all my, everyone I minister to, I tell them the same thing. I say, "There isn't a part of you that Jesus doesn't love. And with his love, there isn't a single part of you that you can't love." So the humanity that's in, say, a clone, Jesus loves. He loves, and it deserves love. It needs the love of God. It needs the mercy of God. And God will work with that, heal that, he'll do all kinds of things, and it'll start to work miracles, you know? Um, so, you know, I, I mean, and this is actual lived experience. We have seen how, with, with a clone body, would take ownership over the body, transfer the rights of that body from whatever built it to the soul that's in it. And then Jesus, like, takes out the nanotechnology, he takes out the artificial intelligence structures, deals with the alternate personalities because there's a whole system of alternate personalities and brokenness in that, and heals that. And we find that the human spirit will interact with that body just like it did with the original body because the human spirit is not actually anchored to a single, like, you know, it doesn't have a silver cord like the soul does. So we, we'll be able to do a whole lot and, and, and maybe get that person in a very functional place in life. Right? We've done that. And, you know, this is good news to all the people that have been part of some of these, especially secret space program projects. Like, I'm telling you, Taylor, you know, as, as, as painful as it is for me to realize that so many people are going to hear me say these things and think about, like, "Wow, you know, yes, I'm still that guy." Like, there are people that are going to hear this and find hope. Yeah. Because they felt hopeless, Taylor. Yeah. They felt, "Nobody that serves Jesus can possibly understand what I've been through, articulate my pain, get a grasp of the level of trauma I've been through, and introduce Jesus into that." And, and what I'm here to say is, yes, there is, there is hope. There is enough Jesus for your problem. Yeah.

That's a beautiful statement. So when you said, so a soul is what astral projects, not the spirit, right? So does the spirit just like follow the human around? Or like, because you've talked to your spirit. I haven't worked up the courage to try to talk to mine. I think some people were asking on that, they were like, "Are you actually talking to your spirit or your angel?" People were a little bit confused by that in the last episode as well.

So, okay, spirit. Now, the spirit, yes, you could talk to it. Yes, it has its own form. Yes, it can operate both in and out of the body. Um, it can do all kinds of things. The Bible says, "We have been raised up and seated with Christ in heavenly places." So the Bible makes it clear that we're transdimensional by design. But, you know, my soul is sitting here talking to you guys in my body. My spirit is seated with heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Like, that's part of its design and nature, according to Ephesians chapter 2. That's every believer, by the way. But the spirit has all kinds of other characteristics. It can be, um, broken. It can be discouraged. It can be in all kinds of conditions. Be trapped. It can be trapped. It can be imprisoned. And, um, that will affect its, the nature of its interaction with God. Um, so when a person begins to engage with the spirit world, it's like, "Well, am I talking to my spirit or, or, or an angel, like a guardian angel?" Well, it depends on who you've addressed, you know? And, and this is where spending time in a secret place becomes so important. Now, I do something I call "Sabbath with Jesus." When I Sabbath with Jesus, this is a particular approach to prayer. Okay? Now, I'm going to give her one of the secret sauce. This is a particular approach to prayer where I go in without an agenda. So I am going to carve out, if I'm going to Sabbath with Jesus, two to three hours. That's the time, okay? And no distractions. And what I'm doing is, I'm spending time. I'm going to typically enter through the gate of worship. Okay? And then I'm going to ask God, "What do you have to say to me?" And I'll begin to journal. That's how I, I practice hearing the voice of God. Mhm. And the more acclimated you get to that, you say, "Let me differentiate this. Father God, what do you want me to know? Jesus Christ, what do you want me to know? Holy Spirit, what do you want me to know?" As you journal the persons of the Godhead, what you'll find is, over time, you see that there's different communications from each one of them. Even though God is one, He is three. And so then you can expand and say, "Okay, I'm going to talk to my human spirit." So, so Jesus, what do you want me to know? Daniel spirit, I invite you to be present. And at the surface, I bless you in the name of Jesus. I honor you in the name of Jesus. What are you working on? Have you read our heavenly scroll? What is on there? Is there anything that's been unlocked that wasn't last week? Is there anything new? And journal, because it's going to come. It, it, if the spirit's present, it, it'll just come out. And, you know, sometimes it helps to do this with someone else because when you sit down with someone, and they address the human spirit, and so I train all of my ministers to do this, sometimes it's much easier for the spirit to engage and interact. What I found is that sometimes there is conflict between the soul and the spirit. That may look like self-rejection, abandonment, dis, even betrayal. It's almost like a marriage. This gets into a whole teaching, like, but the spirit and the soul can be like a married couple. It's like the husband, soul is like the wife, and they're like bickering, you know? Sometimes the, um, the soul usurps all of the spirit's authority relative to the life. Like the soul's like, "I'm making all the decisions. I'm going to do this all by myself. My intellect, my willpower, my dietary choices, whatever it is." And the spirit gets pushed out of the house. It's like, "No, you don't even have a voice. I don't even know that you exist." But that, over a long time, can lead to, like, the spirit being kind of antagonistic towards the soul. So the soul's like, "Oh, I just heard a Dan Deval talk. Let me talk to the spirit." And it's like, you know, you think about it as a husband, if your wife kicked you out of the house 10 years ago and then sent you a text like, "Hey, uh, are you there?" Like, you might be like, "I don't want to answer this text." You know, I feel very betrayed and hurt. So we find that the spirit can be in that condition. And sometimes, if I talk to the spirit, it'll come and talk to me. But it won't talk to the person's soul because of the conflict between the two parts of their design. Dude, that's crazy. Keep going.

Dan, I love you. Just don't stop talking. So, so I don't even, I don't even know face. Like, you people make comments on my face on the last one. So the, the, the spirit is kind of like, "We'll talk to you, but it won't talk to the soul because there's like, yeah." And, and, and, but, but this is part of the developing relationship. So when I'm in the Sabbath with Jesus time, yes, I am Sabbathing with Jesus, but I'm also creating enough space to begin to discern the heavenly community around me. The Bible says, "For you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel." This is the transdimensional reality that we exist in as believers. We, we have access to the mountain of God, not when we die, now. And so when I go in my Sabbath with Jesus, I'm intentionally leaning into that reality. So with the practice and the commitment to that, you begin to discern the voice of the Father, the voice of Jesus, the voice of the Holy Ghost, the voice of your own human spirit, and then the voice of angels in the community around your life or sphere of assignment. And, you know, it, it becomes clearer and clearer over time. And when you work with someone, like, like if I'm working with a person, because of the realm of revelation, like, like that that I carry, that will open up the, the anointing will actually open up for other people. What I walk in. So when I'm ministering to others, suddenly they'll find that they're able to talk to angels, they're able to talk to Jesus, they're able to talk to their own human spirit. It's like all facilitated. It feels so easy. Then they get out of that, and they go into their own, what, what is inherent to what they've carved out, and it's more difficult. And this is any believer. The more that we carry is our own personal, like, uh, revelation realm of authority, so on and so forth. This is what it, this is connected to what Jesus said about the mustard seed. He said, "The kingdom of God is like a mustard seed, that when it is full grown, all the birds of the heavens nest in its branches." Well, the Bible says in the Old Testament, "Our soul has escaped, escaped out of the snare of the Fowler." So souls are birds. Which means that the heavenly environment, the kingdom of God that comes out of our hearts, literally our belief system, is like a tree that other souls will come and nest in. So when the kingdom is expressed thoroughly through a pure-hearted believer, that is an atmosphere and a realm that actually feeds those around them, the nourishment of God's kingdom. And that is what the parable of the mustard seed is about. So this is what I'm explaining. So they come out of, like, my mustard seed tree, and they're like, dealing with theirs. But the secret place, spending that time, every person, every believer, is capable of developing a relationship and, and an ability to discern all kinds of different voices and persons within that spiritual community of God's kingdom around them. That's the point.

Uh, let me share something really practical that I learned really recently, like, probably four months ago. I've never heard you, I've never heard it put that way. The, the Kingdom of Heaven is like, basically the branch. And so we can create an atmosphere that other people can, can come into. But Jamie Winship talked about this too, where he was a police officer, and he would be aware that he's bringing the Kingdom of Heaven into these situations. And there's a powerful story that he shared when he was dealing with someone who is traumatically possessed. And he just said, "It's okay. The kingdom is here. The kingdom is here." As a police officer, and you see, like, I think everybody should try to try to maintain awareness of this, whether you're an attorney, a doctor, an educator, in the military, you can bring the kingdom with you. And in fact, that's kind of the job. And it's powered by awareness, and it's powered by intention. And when I go into places, I've started to do this, "God, bring the kingdom with me." And whatever stage I'm speaking on, "The kingdom is here." At this point, it's not what I'm saying. It's not like what, what people think they need. The kingdom of heaven is here. And it's, you know, what's amazing, people will say the weirdest stuff, like they'll, they'll say, like, "When you said this, I needed to hear that." And I never said that. It's, I know I didn't say it. It's not in my notes. It's not even something I would say. But this, this, the kingdom is coming in. And therefore, people are hearing things that Holy Spirit is, is wanting to say and feeding people through me bringing the kingdom into that place. Unsaved people say this, it'll just be like, "When you said this, it changed my life." And I know exactly what that means. And I'm like, "How didn't say that?" This is like some, some Hindu. It doesn't, God's speaking to everyone all the time. But the atmosphere, we're responsible for bringing that atmosphere with us. Y. I think it's super practical that people can use. Not to derail you, because you're on a roll, but that was a really good, you could, you good. Yeah. Anything?

What, my brain kind of codified that in terms of practicality is like, is that I feel that's probably why people would be like addicted almost to like church or conferences, because it's like, it's easier to go into a spiritual climate that's already put together rather than going home and doing it yourself, maybe?

Uh, there's some truth to that. Yeah, there is some truth to that. And, you know, you, you run into these terms like "sitting in the anointing." And, um, I think that for a long time, we, we Christian language has not honored mechanics of the spirit for a long time. So people just apply language to try to explain what they feel and what they encounter. Yeah. But, you know, the truth is, is that we, we are, in, in some ways, all like olives. And so when, when we are crushed, literally, the, the refiner's fire, like, when we are crushed, that's how you get the oil out of an olive. You have to crush it. M. And when God, when, when God liberates us of our pride and our arrogance and our selfish ambition and our, you know, usually that requires a crushing process. You know, I, I use "liberate" because when I use the word "break," usually that's the devil wants to break people. He wants to break people's confidence, break people's self-image, break people in pieces, soul and spirit fragments. But God, God refines us. He liberates us of that. But that, it does require a crushing process. And when we're crushed, that's when you get the oil. And that oil is, is the way that God's spirit flows through us. It's like that unique flavor of what that person's crushing process and refinement carries. And it colors the atmosphere of what they're ministering into. And when we experience that, it can be very helpful. It can actually be very redemptive. It feels good. And so, yes, we, we want that. We, we long for that. And, um, you know, when you, one of the things that Paul said, you know, "You have many teachers, but you have not many fathers." The people that tend to have the most impressive atmospheres, uh, uh, are, are those that have paid the price and endured the most testing and allowed for God to liberate them of the most things. They carry a deep well of maturity that is something that ministers to the, the places of mother and father wounds. And those are sometimes some of the deepest wounds that people will carry. Y. And so when you have a genuine mother or father, it's like, you know, people just want to sit at their feet and just drink it in, you know? It's like, "Just be close to me. Pour into me." Um, and, you know, uh, I believe that we're in a generation where God is actually going to release an army of mothers and fathers. I, I think that the maturity is really coming to this generation, like, like we haven't seen it.

Yeah. Let's go. Mother and father wounds. This isn't in my notes, but I'm curious. You're the one that gave the open door. Thank you for that. A mother and a father can even come before a person is born? Can it come through the line of a person? Yes. How do we pray for that? How do we get healed from that? Is it, awareness is required? Because if the Holy Spirit will not heal based on a lie, how do we reconcile that?

Well, one of the ways that I will reconcile that, especially if it's coming through the bloodline, you know, because you do have bloodlines. It's like, what, what's the last generation where the father stuck around for the full 18 years? Can't find it. It's like, no one knows. Um, you know, it's a single mother after single mother after single mother, or broken families, or even the one that tried, died, you know, it's so much tragedy. Um, and so you have like whole lines of fatherless generations. And, or motherless, or, or, like, every mother is just detached. So she's like a million miles away from her children, and they feel completely abandoned, even though physically she was present, or whatever. And it was like, "Well, that's how their mother, and the grandmother, and so you have that." One of the things that a person can do, like, I have a prayer called, um, uh, it's essentially a prayer to deliver the bloodline through repentance and renunciation. So, so the person can go in on behalf of their bloodline, and they say, "As a representative of my bloodline, I confess that my bloodline has maintained a pattern of abdication of fathering responsibilities, whatever it is. We, this bloodline, we abandon our children as fathers. That's what my bloodline does. I'm a representative, so I confess it on behalf of the bloodline. And I repent for it, not just for me, on behalf of the bloodline." I have a, this is in my third book, "Extreme Prayers That Shake the Earth." So I have the whole prayer template, just written out. Um, and then this, like, the same thing we did for the third eye, it's like, "And I renounce it." And so what you're doing is, you're stepping in as an advocate on behalf of the bloodline, as a representative, and you are repealing the accusation and the iniquity on the bloodline through an application of the finished work of Jesus Christ. Right? You're, you're now shifting the blood under that by your act of faith. And then will bind and rebuke every evil spirit that has been at work on the bloodline after the confession, the repentance, and the renunciation, as well. So this is all part of this prayer template. In doing that, you can actually break that as a spiritual bondage off of the bloodline. And then once that's off, you know, if you happen to be the next father in line in that bloodline, suddenly a lot of the attacks that were coming against your, your dad, and your granddad, or your great-granddad, they're no longer able to come against you in that bloodline. And your next generation will likely have a very different experience. And will you, you're now, you're now redeeming the bloodline, right? That is one way we could look at that.

I love it. One quick thing to add to that. I feel like there are people who, um, have these things in their lines that are not as easy to pinpoint. So I feel like there are people that look at the, that will listen to this and they'll say, "Well, my mom and dad were around." M. But look for the areas as a kid where you had to grow up too soon. Where you stepped into a position that you shouldn't have had to step into. I had to become the breadwinner when I was 14. M. You have the same abdication. M. Whether your dad is alive or, or not.

I'm going to talk about something else. Okay. One of the most difficult things for people to put their finger on when it comes to some of this, M. Is narcissism. Wow. Narcissism is the exaltation of an image. So it's easy for people to identify when mistreatment or pain has resulted from physical abuse, right? I still have the scars. Sexual abuse, right? Because that's a crime, and that's pedophilia, people go to jail for that. Right? There are certain types of abuse that are very clear. But narcissistic abuse isn't as clear. In fact, for many years, people didn't even have a way, they didn't understand it. Like, I think narcissism is only now beginning to be understood. And, and narcissism actually exists on a continuum. Just because a person does not get diagnosed by the DSM-5 as narcissistic personality disorder does not mean that they are subjugating the people around them to narcissistic abuse or treatment. And a lot, and for that reason, a lot, a lot of people that have been through that cannot understand what the problem is with what they've been through. It's tough. And so, what do I mean by that? What does that look like? Well, narcissism is the exaltation of an image. So it, you know, the whole story around Narcissus is this guy, he's basically falls in love with himself. So he goes to a pond, looks at his reflection, and he's so in love with himself, he just turns into a flower. Like, it's like this ridiculous story of like, you know, being in love with yourself. But the idea of narcissism is that you place an image of something or an idol over every other person in your life. So a narcissist that says, you know, "My image is, I am an excellent businessman." And a, uh, perfect death, yes, or spouse, whatever. Excellent businessman. Now, they're not okay. But because the image says they have to be that, and that's what matters to them. Now, in order to be an excellent businessman, they're not going to work on their craft. They're not going to actually, uh, take, take a tailor course and get better at business. They're going to cheat, lie, and steal to exalt the image of being, or just, um, misdirect, exaggerate, do all these kinds of things, manipulate.

Same thing with the parenting. It's like, "I'm going to gaslight. I'm going to, uh, use tactics that cause the people around me to have to orbit their whole lives around my moods and preferences." Um, "I will use manipulative tactics." All of these things because I have to exalt the image of myself, not actually lean into wholeness and sound principles to become this.

What that creates for those around them is a, a, a, a sense of complete collapse of personal, uh, confidence. It can lead to all kinds of dysfunction with relationships later in life. People that have been through narcissistic abuse by virtue of mother and father wounds because they were raised by narcissists have a litany of issues. And it, it, it results from being devalued, gaslit, made to think that they were crazy, um, having a lack of individuality as they develop their sense of self because their sense of self has been anchored by virtue of the disposition to the narcissist. And so, you, you have a lot of wounds from narcissistic, I would just call it narcissistic parenting that people are just beginning to awaken.

"Like, oh, I have that." "Huh." "I love that. He just takes us right to the edge and then stops and then looks at me as if he's like, 'Did you bring a parachute?' As if I'm supposed to land that plane." "Oh my gosh." "Okay, he's asking if you want to jump. Got it." "Um, are you good?" "Great. You want to keep going?" "Yeah, I'm good." "Um, can we revisit? Are you good? Have you covered that?" "I, I, I'm, unless you want more, I'm ready."

"Well, I actually want to keep talking about the same theme, but talk about finances. Let's talk about it because you, you opened it up. The last episode, we ran out of time. So, what I don't know what you were trying to put together there, but it seems like, like there could be financial, um, blockades that's in a person's bloodline as well." "Yeah, they prevent them from abundance. So they get right up to the edge of something and they're constantly about to win, but then the deal falls through, or they get a lot of money, lose a lot of money. And it's like these weird financial suppressive things." "Yes." "Oh, Lord have mercy."

"So, um, now this is starting to feel like, because I have people that come to me like literally just like that, and, but, but instead of an interview, they're like, 'This is my life. Now fix me.'" "Oh, yeah." "And the assumption is that I know exactly how this is going to work. And, and the truth is, when this happens, it always requires some exploration. Let me explain."

"Yeah, because ungodly cycles on a person's life can be anchored for different reasons. I'm going to go through a list of those reasons at this time, right? 'Cause it could be any of the above. So we kind of, when I'm working with a person, we'll work our way through the list."

"Number one, an interval. An interval can sound like, 'Money ruins people.' 'I don't deserve nice things.' 'Poor people are happier.' 'Rich people are bad.' Like, it, it could sound like anything. But because a person goes through some kind of treatment or some kind of experience at some point in their lives, they can onboard an interval or a belief. And I would call it a belief system or a program that says that. So that script now sits in their heart, which is their subconscious. And once something gets in there, the thing about the heart is that the Bible says, 'As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.' So if I want to be successful in business, but at some point from the age of nine onward, I believe that rich people are bad, I have a conflict in my subconscious. Because if I get success, then I will be wealthy, then I will be bad, even if I am now, watch this, dissociated from my inner vow. So a lot of people have belief systems that they're dissociated from. They don't know that it's there because they haven't thought about it in a long time. Or the belief system sits with a soul part that is in trauma. So they go to do something, but this program, script, this belief is anchored to their heart. And the Bible says, 'As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.' Now it's like there, every ingredient necessary to obstruct that person's success is present. To break that cycle, if this is the case, we have to get that belief system renounced. We have to approach it. We have to look at the trauma around it. Say, 'Well, why did you make this judgment? Why did you conclude that rich people are bad?' Well, this person was so mean to me and they were rich. It's like, 'Have you forgiven them?' 'Gosh, I never thought about that. I haven't forgiven them.' Like, 'Forgive them. No, rich people are bad.' That was that person who was not kind to you. And actually, they were kind to other people. It was, you know, a season of their life, whatever it is. Let it go.' So they let it go. They renounced. Then the belief system itself. Now, whatever their heart is generating as an environment around their life. And by the way, you know, every organ has an energy field around it. The heart's energy field extends out of the body 8 to 12 feet. It's huge. Yeah. So that's part of this whole thing. Once that clears, now there can be a different manifestation around that person's life. So one of the first things we'll look for is that, what, what are the programs? What are the scripts? What is in your heart that would be shutting down the progress or coming over that barrier to get a financial breakthrough?"

"Now, now the next layer would be if the person has been cursed. Now, there are a lot of people that have been cursed. And a lot of people, one of the interesting things that people will go through, especially with, you know, certain kinds of backgrounds that that may be, um, tribal or maybe, you know, uh, definitely not American, but different cultures. They, they do like infant dedication ceremonies." "Mhm." "Which are basically processes by which the infant is cursed. They don't have a chance. And so people that have been through infant dedication ceremonies to foreign gods, strange entity groups, they, they right out the gate can be put under certain types of curses. Some of which might course direct the way their finances come in or don't." "Um, some people have been through SRA and and they, they literally have been put through rituals that allow the kingdom of darkness legal rights to mine them. Like 100%. Like everything God intended for them to have because they've been through all of these rituals can legally be mined by the cult, redirected. So you have one person that sits at the top of the family and they're like super rich, and everyone else in the family is broke because of the, the way that the rituals have been done and, and the trades that have been made. So the Freemasonic grandfather is very wealthy, but everyone in the family is on welfare or whatever it is. So then what we have to do is we have to go after the curses themselves. And the curses have to be broken. And sometimes to break the curses, you actually have to deal with the rituals. And so, like, I have a whole prayer called the Curse and Ritual Breaking Prayer. And that, that man, that resource, it just knocks it out of the park every time. We, we, we have seen so many people, just the whole thing just collapses like a, falls like a, a house of cards, and then everything changes."

"Whatever that curse did is that on your website?" "100%." "Yeah. Resource." "Any chance I could have you have one story that's just like mind-blowing about someone came in, situation, went through the process, and came on the other side?"

"He's probably got too many to find one right now, I bet." "I know, I bet. What happens to me when Jake's like, 'Give me a story,' I'm like, 'I have 800, but I can't actually filter through them.'" "Yeah, because what, what happens is they all become a bit of a blur, and then you speak in generalities and principles because to pick one isolated case study is, is hard." "Yeah." "Um, but yeah, I, I mean, oh gosh, I don't know. Nothing's coming to mind at this exact moment, like specifically to finance. But I will say this, you know, um, I have definitely seen a lot of people that, you know, I've worked with whose financial situations have turned around completely. I mean, just over the course of the work that we do." "Um, I mean, I had one client more recently, you know, when we first got started, you know, they were just really going down, selling their van, like all kinds of stuff going on. And the next thing I knew, it was like there were multi-million dollars on the table, like multi-million dollar deals on the table." "Wow." "And we were just going through the process of the deliverance and the inner healing. And, uh, that person is going to be very wealthy." "Um, so yeah, I mean, like financial breakthroughs and, and testimonies of that, like we, we get that all the time. My coaches get that all the time from their clients as well. We see it for sure."

"Amazing. Yeah. So intervals, curses, what else can, can be present? Now, moving down the layers of this, one of the, uh, uh, uh, interesting things that we have learned, and this is really getting out into the deep end, but it has to do with cycles on the human spirit itself. And the, the preconception experience of the human spirit can be wrought with trauma. So a lot of times, what happens is the way that things are experienced in this life can be connected to trauma on the human spirit that exists from experiences before conception or even pre-Adamic ages."

"Uh, one, one of my experiences with this, like specifically, um, like I, I was explaining the last time I was on here, you know, that I was doing these war campaigns. More specifically, my job in a pre-Adamic age was a general. So I, I actually ran an a military campaign. And early on in that military campaign, and this came by way of memories, like I actually started to remember some of the stuff. We had a lot of challenges. Like there was a lot of betrayal and a lot of shiftiness. People that were part of those military campaigns, the spirits, they were not loyal. They, they were defecting. They, all kinds of stuff. So it was like chaos. And it was a process, a difficult process of tightening the ship so that we could shut down that activity and really hit a slipstream of success as we were doing, really fighting for the Lord. And, and in these pre-Adamic wars. Well, lo and behold, I come into this world and it's like, time to start a ministry. So what did I experience in the early stages of the ministry? Like, every time we got, you know, even just going for like a few months with an employee, there was an implosion. Uh, I, I couldn't get a team of core support people around me at all for, for years. I mean, it was several years where it seemed to be me and my wife, and it just kept on falling back on the two of us. And we would grow the ministry, we'd get an employee, and then boom, that would blow up. These, uh, uh, uh, volunteers would blow up. Uh, this, you know, person over here that was helpful in one way would blow up. And it'd fall back on us. And we kept on trying to, you know, build a team of core strength, and it just wasn't happening. I mean, the warfare was too intense. No one seemed to last. It was interesting because at the same time, one of the prophetic signs of the situation that I was in was our tires kept blowing out. Like, every time, like I turned around, I had another tire on my car going out. And it was like, we just replaced this tire, now this tire went out. And this tire. Why did the tires keep burning out? But there was like a prophetic sign of the spiritual reality. But I was actually mapping to the same reality that I went through in the pre-Adamic age with the war campaign. It was like, in the early stages, there was a lot of implosion. And so it's, it's like a cycle from one age to the next, experienced differently, but it's similar. Same. And sometimes the things that people go through, whether it's the betrayal, it's the abandonment, the backstabbing, or the, uh, provisional stress or strain or difficulty, is sitting on a cycle on the human spirit that is borrowed from a former age. And when that gets resolved, it actually breaks off in this age. So we've been getting a ton of deliverance by ministering now into the former age and breaking that off. And that's actually been really exciting. There's a huge amount of, of, of shifts that we've seen there."

"That's crazy. Can we go deeper on that? Or are you want to stream?" "Go deeper." "When you shared that story the last time, first of all, it was incredible. I've listened to it a lot. Um, and I would actually, I think I'm going to break a rule here, but I think people should go back and watch that if they haven't, where you talked, you talked about what God showed you and you opened the scroll and you saw it." "You also said something that you said, like, 'Amnesia is falling off of people.' Yes. Faster. But I don't think you're talking about reincarnation. No. What are you talking about? And how do you separate these two ideas?"

"Right. So, reincarnation is the idea that the soul gets recycled back into this Earth over and over and over again. So first you have a life in, like, you know, the 4th century AD, and then you have another life in the 7th century AD, and then you have another life in the 11th century AD. And so you keep on living all of these lives on this planet, different human lives. And then you get to this life and it's like, you know, usually this goes with Buddhist philosophy or some other kind of thing where it's like, you know, you keep on living more lives until you figure it out and you ascend and you become enlightened or whatever it is. And the Bible absolutely does not agree with that. Because the Bible says, 'It is appointed onto man once to die, and after that the judgment.' So the judgment of God on the basis of what we've done, whether good or bad, at the judgment seat of Christ, is based on one life according to the Bible. So do I believe in reincarnation? No."

"But what I am talking about is the experience of the human spirit through ages prior to conception in the earth, which is a very, very different conversation. And so the idea is that in the beginning, God creates the heaven and the earth. And in Job 38:7, it says that as God is laying the foundation of the earth, the sons of God and the morning stars are singing and shouting for joy and doing all this stuff. One of the things that we've realized over the years, and I, I've talked to many human spirits. So I talk to souls, and then I invite the human spirits forward. I talk to them. Everyone I've ever asked, 'Where were you when God was laying the foundation of the earth?' 'I was there.' 'I was near him.' 'I was with God.' 'I was in Christ.' 'I was this.' 'I was that.' Everyone was present as a spirit being. So God creates all of these sons, us, way back. In fact, the Bible says throughout the New Testament, 'We were created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God had before ordained that we should walk in them.' So God actually created us with an idea in mind, with purpose and intent. Before, you know, God tells Jeremiah, 'Before I formed you in your mother's womb, I knew you.' I knew you. And, and the reality is, 'I ordained you a prophet to the nations.' It indicates that his assignment was predicated on something God knew about the spirit before he was conceived."

"Go ahead. And I've never read the verse the way that you just read it. Not, 'I knew the plans for you,' but 'I knew you.' Yeah. I've never read it that way. So that's really good."

"So this is the way that I explain it. The way that I explain, and people are more than, I mean, you know, be a good Berean, search it out. 'In him was life, and that life was the light of men.' This is John 1:4. Okay? So Jesus is the source of life. He's the Creator. We were created in Christ Jesus. Jesus is the firstborn, born among many brethren. So you have, you have Jesus, who is God forever, the Son, as the Creator. And out of him comes light and life. Life is essence. And I believe that from that life that comes out of Jesus, that comes with a unique signature. That life is a signature of authorization. It's, it's, it's, it's, um, God's affirmation of individuality. And, and it's, it's basically like his stamp of approval. So you have this life that comes out of Jesus that is us, right? Individually. There is a signature of God that I would call life or essence. And from it, you derive spirit. That's like what I would call the first emanation of the life that comes forth from God. So we have this creation experience, but our first emanation is spirit. We're not, we're not soul and body living a life on Earth. We're actually way back in the plans of God in the existence of this universe. Um, and, and possibly even before that. And that's another conversation. And we are actually present to see God, uh, lay the foundations of the earth. And we have this enormous eons and eons long relationship with God, which is wrought with all kinds of experiences. So that takes us into a whole experiential and understanding realm. That not only did we see him lay the foundations of the earth, we also all had a part in the fall of Lucifer and what that meant for the heavenly realm and the spirit kingdom of the sons of God holistically. And we were either on one side or the other of that conflict, but everyone was affected by it. This is the kind of memories we're finding. And so with all of that, then there's also how that affected people because there were wars over this stuff and conflict in different areas of the universe. You know, so now we're getting people with memories that their essence was captured and trafficked to the pleiades eons before Adam was created in the garden."

"You guys want a story?" "Yes." "I'll give you, I'll give you a story. So years ago, I, I had a situation where, uh, we found a, I would call it an alien high priestess. Okay? Now, this was, it manifested as an alternate personality. But, you know, I was definitely evil. And I was like, 'Okay, is this a demon? Is this a fallen angel? Is what, what is this?' You know, 'Is it alien high priestess?' Person, they basically saw it and, and, uh, they, they began to get images of this particular being sitting on councils with a different alien groups in an exalted position. I said, 'How old are you?' It's like, 'Eons old.' Like, 'Eons old.' That's crazy. And so I'm thinking, either this thing's lying or it's, whatever. So I used this technique, right? That I talked about in my first conversation. I had the angels grab it, stuck it in a glass box filled with living water, and we, the humanity out of it. So we have the humanity, and then we have the rest of this alien high priestess. What it is, it was a composite of the person's DNA and, and DNA of many different alien races, like all in one being. And so the person, humanity comes out, they see this inside of themselves. And then they're still seeing the entity. Jesus is standing there. And after we made a separation, I continued to question the thing, um, because I was like confused. And, um, some of the stuff that came out was that it had experiences with different people throughout history. One of them, Misraim. I was like, 'So you're, you're that old?' Like, 'What, what the heck?' And, um, it, it had opinions on some of these people. Like, it, it didn't think very highly of a lot of things. And it, it thought itself to be basically a type of goddess. And, you know, I was thinking, okay, well, ultimately, we kicked out all that nonsense stuff, and the person was completely delivered of the demonic thing. But I was, you know, thinking like, this is probably some kind of time travel crazy stuff where they time traveled the person's DNA and gave them an experience or used some kind of virtual reality simulation or whatever. So, but as I was asking Jesus, like, what, and, and, and the way this is happening, the person sees Jesus inside of them. They're interacting with Jesus. Jesus is part of the deliverance itself. And when I'm asking Jesus the questions, they're hearing him audibly inside of their head, like talking, like, you know, answering my questions. I said, 'Would this have anything to do with time travel?' He's like, 'No.' Well, they said, 'Well, how did they, how did they get the DNA through the essence?' It's like, 'What do you mean? Is it, did they get their essence like before they were born?' It's like, 'Way before they were born.' I was like, 'H. When, how was this like before Adam?' It's like, 'Yeah.' It's like, 'So did they capture the essence and extract the DNA from the essence?' 'Yes.' So you have this preconception, pre-Adamic component of our existence, the essence from which spirit is derived. And it's also capturable. In fact, this essence was a large part of what was being traded when the Bible says, 'Because of the abundance of your trade, you were filled with violence and you sinned.' Like that, that Luciferian trade in Ezekiel 28 had a lot to do with essence. So this particular person's essence was captured, and out of it, they derived DNA and created this hybrid alien queen that has been around for eons. But when the person was physically born in this earth, having that essence, that being was tied to that body and soul."

"Whoa." "Did she die?" "No." "No, not my client. She's doing." "No, no, no. The queen. The high priestess." "Oh, yeah. I mean, because we took it apart. So we took the DNA out. That got reconciled, reintegrated, essentially. And then the demonic just got sent to the pit. I mean, all that DNA from the alien groups, like they just, you know, now, now it's in judgment. Done. Dead. Gone." "Yes." "But the person's delivered. But the deliverance process reveals something that's phenomenal. That there are beings that populate this universe that exist because of hybridization operations that predate Adam and implicate humanity. And that's the part that really, uh, changes the view of the history of the universe."

"Because I will tell you, I mean, I could go, the things I could tell you, oh man. We'll turn the cameras off and you just, everybody needs more Jesus." "Yeah, we all need more Jesus." "But, but this is the good news. The good news is that like, yeah, we have these wild stories. Jesus is doing it. I mean, he's right in the middle of all this stuff. He is literally in the middle of all this. And, you know, we're talking about this today. I, I mean, I didn't come in planning to talk about 90% of the stuff that came out of my mouth. God wants people to know that there is hope. God is preparing the body of Christ for a radical shift that will make us relevant at the end of ages to execute his plan for the redemption of creation."

"Yeah. Well, that's about as crazy as a story to land on as the last one." "Mhm." "Yeah. That's a, that's a good."

"Do you have any loose ends you want to wrap up, sir?" "The only way I'm wrapping up loose ends is by rewatching this, because there's a lot that I still don't understand that I, I want to. So, yeah, no, really loose ends to tie up. Let's pray for people. We can pray."

"You know, Father God, I thank you for this opportunity to discuss, to disclose. I thank you for heavenly resources, Father God. I thank you that you are introducing, uh, those that listen to this podcast to the, uh, applications of the blood of Jesus, the applications of your living water. Make it real, Jesus, to every person that is following this. I also thank you for interest, buying, Lord God, the the desire to step into the secret place, to carve out time to engage with the spirit, with with you, Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit, with the environment of Zion. I, I thank you that this is a permission slip to heal. I thank you that though the experiences are radical, that people have ex walked through lived experiences that people have not given themselves permission to believe. I thank you that through this podcast, there is a permission slip being issued that people are able to engage with the truth that they have lived and experienced, to believe that what they have seen and heard and been subject to is real, and to receive your healing into those places. I thank you for great awakening, and I thank you that there is great peace that follows. That every person that has been stirred up is settled upon the, uh, closing of this podcast by the move of your spirit and the rushing flow of your river of living water. So we release it by faith in Jesus name. Amen."

"Amen." "Thanks for being here, man." "Thank you for having me. You're a treasure, Jake." "Thanks for being here." "100%."

"I'll just let the audience know now, um, I already have a bunch of notes. I'm going to add some stuff in our show notes specifically for this episode, resources to, uh, Priscilla, who is the one who is associated with being a mermaid. And are there any other ones that we should put in the show notes for the audience to go research on their own and go check out your stuff?" "Possibly, uh, Ben Brody." "Ben Brody." "Okay, we'll put that in the show notes. And Tony Rodrig. This is all on your YouTube channel, podcast?" "Yeah, I think it's on his podcast." "These ones are so cool. Audience, I would go check out that stuff. And then we're going to link your first episode if people haven't watched that yet. So I just want, we want people to get educated on more on these subjects because there's a lot that we don't have time to go into. So we'll do round three." "Sounds good." "All right. I love you guys. See you."