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Do you know how difficult it is getting my wife, Amanda Leeds, to sit here in the studio and actually do this? Why do you hide behind the scenes so much? We've been married 11 years. We haven't had a single argument. You have to guess how many millions in our liquid business bank.
>> You want to share that? I don't want people coming after you.
>> [laughter]
>> I don't. Basically, we've built the empire together. Do you know how difficult it is getting my wife, Amanda Leeds, to sit here in the studio and actually do this? Why? Why do you hide behind the scenes so much?
>> I like being behind the scenes 'cause you're so good at being in front of camera and stuff, so. Yeah. I'm more low-back, like low-key, laid-back, chilled, so.
>> Yeah. What is the? I, I often tell people that you're my secret weapon. And people, I take all the credit, but you do a lot of the work behind the scenes. What do you do on the business? What? How do we work together? And what does that look like?
>> I think we kind of have a rhythm and we kind of just know what lane you're in, what lane I'm in, but I'm good at supporting you. And also, you focus mainly on the business, like running it day-to-day, all the ideas, everything. And then I'm more just supporting in the background, but then also our personal property portfolio, then I look after that and just manage, oversee the property managers.
>> How you just slipped that out though as if it's nothing. Just like, you know, the personal. What? What? What do you mean by the personal? What does that mean?
>> Well, just houses that we own, uh, you know, properties that we own.
>> Yeah. And basically, uh, some of our properties are, it would be too difficult to even be involved in ourselves. Like, for example, the hotels, the developments. So, so we have full-time people that run them. Yeah. But our personal properties, you head up.
>> Yes, I'm the one for that. And then I also run our, our home with our kids, our family stuff.
>> Which is massive.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah. Yeah, so.
>> Four kids.
>> Four kids. Life is busy, so it's great.
>> You honestly look better now than you did when we got married 11 years ago. You, you just look amazing.
>> I think that we've both glowed up together, to be honest.
>> Especially you. You've done incredible with your.
>> Well, it's not hard for me to look better 'cause I was really fat, so. You were never anything. You just. I was a little bit chubby.
>> No, no, no. No, no.
>> [laughter]
>> No. Not, not at all. All right, we've been married 11 years. We haven't had a single argument.
>> No, we haven't.
>> Probably won't believe that. I know. I think for people, it's very normal, isn't it? It's normal in society to be like, "Oh yeah, arguments." But no, we haven't.
>> Not a single argument, not a single fallout. No.
>> What? How is that possible? What do you think? Do you think that's normal? 'Cause I, I just think, why would you argue? You're on the same team. I don't argue with anybody.
>> Yeah. What would I argue? No, there's no need to argue. Um, I just think that we just put the other person first always, but also it's not even about compromising all the time and just thinking.
>> Do we compromise though?
>> No, we don't. I don't compromise. Um, because there has been things that have come up that we don't agree on, but then we just discuss it and, yeah, hash it out.
>> Like what?
>> Um, vaccines. That was back in the day. To be fair, I've changed my opinion on that now. Um, but.
>> Oh, it's controversial now. The YouTube channel's going to get taken down. They're going to talk about Samuel Leeds in the Daily Mail and the House of Parliament. But you tell me about vaccines. So vaccines that came up.
>> Because I don't want the channel getting taken down.
>> Yeah, no, no, no. All I'll say is it came up when we had our first child because.
>> Yeah.
>> It was almost like a, the hospital was like, "Right, we need to give her this, we need to give her that." And you were like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa." And at the time, I kind of thought, "Oh no, you know, yeah, vaccines work." And.
>> You're more, you, you're more law-abiding. Not that I'm not law-abiding. Yeah. I don't trust the government. I don't trust the police. I don't trust the establishment. I question everything. Whereas you are just more like, "Oh. Oh, the hospital have said we should give 21 vaccinations to our 2-day-old baby. Let's just do it." I'm like, "No, no, no, no." And that. And that. We didn't argue about it though.
>> It was that. We didn't argue about it. In the end, we just, you were just like, "Okay." I did my research, told you the pros and cons.
>> Yeah.
>> Ultimately, you just said, "Well, you'll be looking after the kids if [laughter] they get ill or whatever, so. Yeah, you know, I just felt like it wasn't really my place to be like, 'They are not having any vaccines.' Because if they then got some measles thing or something, and then you're the one that's probably having to deal with the brunt of it. Because I, you know what I mean? So I'm like, 'Look, I don't like vaccines. I don't believe vaccines are necessary. Please, please be careful and do your absolute research, but I'll trust you to make the right decision for the.'
>> 'Cause, 'cause. And that's the thing, we kind of have our lanes, don't we?
>> Yeah, we do. We do.
>> What's your lane?
>> Homemaker. Anything to do with the house is my bag. Samuel wouldn't say like, "Oh, I don't want that sofa. That's that's my department." So.
>> Yeah. And then just, just so you know.
>> An example.
>> Yeah. We just checked out of the hotel. Yeah.
>> Right? Which we've been traveling. And I didn't get involved. Because. Because. Because. Because if I got involved.
>> Too many cooks.
>> Too many cooks.
>> Too many cooks.
>> If he got involved, I'd think that he's got something, he'd think that I've got something, and then it'd be left in the hotel. So it's better to you not be involved.
>> Yeah, I don't. I don't get involved in packing the cases either.
>> No, you don't. I always pack your case when we.
>> I don't know what's in the case.
>> No. He always has a surprise. I could not let someone else pack my bags for holiday. That would just, that could not happen. Not just for holiday though. We'll move house.
>> I know. For anything. I mean, [laughter] we travel a lot. We travel a lot. But the fact that you just trust me to just pack everything is just wild to me because I could not allow someone to do that. But then also you do lots of things that I probably would just be like, "Oh, I'd hate to do that." So.
>> Well, just lots of things. Like some of the conversations that I hear you having with lawyers, I'm just like, "Oh my goodness, I'd hate to have that conversation."
>> [laughter]
>> So I think, I think we've got our strong, our strengths, and I think we support each other in whatever our weaknesses are.
>> What's funny as well? Sometimes, like, if we're at the airport. Yeah. Remember when we were at the airport a few weeks back, and I can't remember how, how it went about, but we'll say, "Who's leading?" Yeah. Yeah. Who's leading? You're leading?
>> [laughter]
>> All right. You're leading? I'm going to just follow. Yeah, that's.
>> And then if we get lost, it's on you. You know what I mean? Like, 'cause you can't both be bickering. Is it this way? No, I don't think it's that way. You're leading. Is it that way?
>> Yeah, this way. Sure. I don't know where I'm leading. You're it. Right. And if I'm driving and you go, "Oh no, you should."
>> Who's driving? Do you want to drive?
>> No, be quiet. Do you know what? I do think that's probably a reason why we don't have a lot of, well, that we've never had an argument because I think lots of couples bicker over lots of little things like that.
>> I'll just. If you start telling me what to do.
>> Yeah, if you start telling me.
>> If you start getting involved in, in stuff, I'll, okay, you do it. Yeah, that's true. If you start telling me, "Oh, no, no, no. With the lawyer, you shouldn't have done that. You shouldn't negotiate the deal." Okay, you're in charge of negotiating the deal.
>> No, no, no. I think that does it. Even with finances, I don't look at our personal bank. No. Ever. You run that. I don't look at the bills. I don't know who provides the gas and electric in any of our houses.
>> [laughter]
>> As in our, our personal ones.
>> Yeah, yeah. I've no idea. I, I don't get involved.
>> But then you don't look at the business bank.
>> Yeah, that's true. Yeah, no.
>> Or, or have any idea. How much is in our business bank right now? How many millions? How many would you guess? How many would I guess?
>> Millions do you reckon we've got? You have to guess how many millions in our liquid business bank.
>> You want to share that? I don't want people coming after you.
>> [laughter]
>> I don't. I don't want people to know. You can tell me off camera. I don't. 'Cause, 'cause I don't know how much we've got in our personal bank. Yeah. And I don't look at it.
>> That's true.
>> Okay, so question. Um, if you do everything on the, on the personal side of things, how much, how much help? How many members of staff or help do you have now with your little home empires and kids? [laughter] And like, who's working or who is.
>> Um, you're going to underplay it. You're going to be like, "Ah, you know, two or three."
>> Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I was going to say two or three.
>> No. No. It is funny how.
>> We have. We have two or three that might live in one of our homes all the time. But I'm talking about, uh, chief private tutors, full-time tutors. I'm talking about people on the payroll, people that are just butlers, chefs, drivers, everything.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, but it's a lot. You don't want to say. You're probably.
>> Why are you so private?
>> Because I just, I don't know. I just feel like what's the point in like being out there with stuff. I just think.
>> Tell them about the time though when I wouldn't let you post for a very strange example. Normally, it's you saying to me, "Don't post. Don't post." 'Cause Samuel posts so much stuff that I'm just like, "Babe, don't." Do you. Okay, do you ever disagree though? Do you ever. Do I ever post something where you're like, "I don't agree with what you just said."
>> No. No, actually, no. It's not. It's not that I disagree with what you're saying. It's just that I just know that it's going to rile people up and they're going to get so angry. Remember last month, and you were like, "That's a real jerk post."
>> Ooh, what was it?
>> It was the part. I do remember. It was the post where I was saying, "Why do people drive a really cheap car on the drive, but then the house is a multi-million pound mansion?"
>> Uh.
>> And people think I'm going to say it's because they invest in their properties, not in their cars. Rich people often have crappy cars like this. But then I actually said, "That's because that ain't their car. Yeah, that's their."
>> That's their living means car.
>> I was like, "No." Because I just think it's just funny because I think lots of people then see that post and then just judge you off that post. Whereas because I know, I, you're just doing it. You know, ultimately, it's funny because people then engage and it's just. But yeah, I just think, I just think, "Why would you want that?" I just want everyone to just be nice, nice comments, nice vibes.
>> Nah. Like, but yeah, I mean.
>> If you're just nice though, and everyone, oh, nice, and patting people on the back. My job, number one as a, as an educator, as a trainer, is to push people out their comfort zone. Yeah. Number two, as a marketer, is to get eyeballs. Yeah. Good marketer gets eyeballs. If it's just, nah, you know, no one's going to see it.
>> You're the master marketer.
>> Um, if I'm speaking to, um, you, you mentioned lawyers. If I'm negotiating, you've got to be a hard negotiator. You know, you, you can't. You don't get anywhere in the world by being nice.
>> That's true. They do say that the nice guys finish last.
>> And.
>> Yeah, but then, but you don't have to be a jerk.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, Richard Branson's a really good example of that. Richard Branson is, is one of the exceptions. He's very nice.
>> Have you met Richard Branson?
>> I haven't, no.
>> I met him twice, haven't I? But.
>> But why were you not there?
>> I don't know. I just didn't happen to be there.
>> Why don't you come to any of my meetings? When I meet people and I'm like, "Do you want to come?"
>> Sometimes, yeah.
>> People. Yeah, he has and he's like, "Do you want to come?" And I'm just like, uh, 'cause I'm thinking, well, what am I going to say? Do you know who I regret not coming to meet?
>> Go on.
>> Grant Cardone. I think I would have.
>> Why did you not come?
>> Know, but I really. I love Grant Cardone.
>> So many times though.
>> And I think he's such a cool person.
>> You, do you want to come and see Andrew Tate?
>> Yeah, yeah, that's true.
>> Like, but then I, yeah, but then I did one of the times.
>> You did one of the times.
>> And then I got absolutely blasted, so that was interesting.
>> By? On social media?
>> Social media. That was me.
>> Good. That's my attitude, Amanda.
>> [laughter]
>> If you posted a picture with you and Andrew Tate, and as a result, everyone's outraged and hates you and doesn't want to follow you, you don't want them following you anyway, 'cause they are absolute losers.
>> I know. I know. People are just silly though, because they just assume because, you know, you were with him.
>> Met somebody, you, you, you have the exact same mind.
>> And it's not. But, but there's a lot of things that he says and at the time when I met him, and I still think, I mean, there's lots of things that he says that I do think, yeah, that's good and it's, you know, not to be lazy, um, to be entrepreneurial, things like that. But anyway, yeah. But it's just interesting how small-minded some people can be.
>> But.
>> Okay. Manosphere, let's talk about it. Oh, that was such an interesting.
>> Is he there?
>> Yeah, Louis Theroux. That was such an interesting documentary.
>> It wasn't. We loved that. Yeah, I loved it. It was really entertaining, insightful. I loved Louis Theroux and how just how he is, how, you know.
>> Yeah. He was just really interesting.
>> I reckon Louis Theroux is richer than all of those guys. I mean, yeah, I bet.
>> I reckon he is. I bet. And probably more masculine than most of them as well. I mean, I don't want to be like a hater [laughter] on the guys, but some of the guys, I mean, listen, I, I don't like the whole term the manosphere because it's clumping everybody together in one. Like, you've got people in that manosphere like Andrew Tate, he's a real one, I think. I think he's a real one.
>> He is genuine, whereas I feel like there's lots of copycat boys now that are just there online saying stuff.
>> It's cheesy. So strange.
>> To give him his props, was saying stuff that was at the time, even now, controversial.
>> Yeah. From his chest, because he believed it.
>> Yeah.
>> Was speaking out against the, against the matrix, the establishment. Yes, he's got his personal views with women and different things. I personally have had many long debates with him about some of those matters, but he is true to himself. He says it with chest, and as a result, so people, a lot of people liked it, it went viral, he blew up, and then you have them people going, "Oh wow, Andrew Tate said that and he blew up. I'll say that then." And it's like you're watching people saying stuff that's that's. And it's like, oh. Yeah. Is that even you, man? But you know what's also interesting though? Some, I've obviously been on social media a very long time, and I'm not like Andrew Tate. We're two very different people, but, and I'm nowhere near as, as, as, as famous as he is. I mean, he's like.
>> One of the most famous people in the world.
>> Um, and he, he's amazing, but the thing is, I've been on social media a long time, and there was this one video that some, one of my editors chopped up and put out. And then the comments, people were going, "Oh, stop trying to be like Andrew Tate." And I was thinking, number one, that video was filmed in 2019.
>> Mhm.
>> That's an old video.
>> Yeah. I didn't even know Andrew Tate was. So some people are just as soon as they see someone who's a bit alpha, who's a bit aggressive, who's talking about money, they're like, "Oh, you're trying to be like Andrew Tate." No. What? Have you never seen anyone before.
>> I know.
>> Who's actually a real man talking about money, [laughter] who's not a coward? Have you never seen that? And you're just like, "Oh, you're just the same as Andrew Tate." You're an absolute.
>> That is, yeah.
>> With people? But, but so many people are so weak and pathetic. It's one of the reasons we left the UK. Yeah. Um, but then there also are some genuine copycats where it's like.
>> Yeah, where it's just obvious. Yeah, that's so true. That's so true. Nah. I think that lots of guys love to copy that vibe now, but yeah, a lot of guys nowadays I do think, gosh, I don't hate to be dating right now 'cause I do think lots of guys are very, what's the word I can use? I don't know, very weak, not, not in their masculine.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not, you know.
>> You think you can, can you train that or are you either just born with it or you, or you're not? Because some of these guys that go on a, a masculine course.
>> Mhm.
>> And it's just like, oh, it's almost false. Like if you're a real man who's just comfortable in your own skin, who's bold and confident.
>> A lot of it is just insecurities. They're trying to be bigger than they are. Like, ooh. Like that one guy, I'm sorry, on that manosphere documentary. He was just so annoying. And then when he said to his girlfriend, like, "Oh, yeah, and also clean that room." And it's just like, "Oh my gosh, you just. It's just like you can tell it's an act."
>> Is it though? Or is it that the cameras followed them for many, many days, and then they just clip bits out to try and make it look cringey, but actually.
>> Yeah, I mean, true. That's true. That's true.
>> I've had hit pieces on me. I've had cameras. And my attitude is until you've met someone. Um, my attitude is until you've met someone. Yeah, you don't know. You don't really know. You can't judge someone from a 40-minute documentary.
>> True. And I guess as well, but when you're, you know, people on social media, they do portray themselves different as well. So you, I guess you can't judge. I've met people that I actually liked and respected, and I thought, "Oh, wow, they're really cool." And then I met them in real life and I was just a bit like, they're actually a bit.
>> [snorts]
>> Insecure or a bit. Yeah.
>> You kind of have to meet somebody. And then I've met people that I thought were a bit annoying, and I've met them in real life and I thought, "Actually, that wasn't me. They're, they're fine." Yeah. No, it's interesting, but with the masculinity thing, I just think, I think the most important thing is just having being a good role model. So having a good, you know, father in the home would be the best, really, and a good father at that. Family unit.
>> Yeah, good family, solid family unit.
>> Think the family unit is under attack at the moment in the West? I think the, the, the traditional one, um, is definitely under attack and is not really celebrated. Where were we the other day? And then because we were married. Oh, it was when we were hiring a car. Because we were married and we were putting both our names on this car we were hiring, they were like, "Oh, so because you're married, you don't have to pay for the additional charge for the."
>> Mhm.
>> And I was just like, "Oh, that's cool, because you never get a perk for being married, do you?" And anyway.
>> [laughter]
>> It's never like.
>> As a man, yeah, we've had this conversation. Why, as a young, successful, ambitious entrepreneur, why would you get married in the West? Why? 'Cause you're Christian.
>> And.
>> Okay. Yeah. But what? Why? Because I just think it's, it's, it's good, it's good to have that, you know, it's very much established then. Like, yep, man, wife, husband, wife, and then your children, that's your family. But why would you involve the government into something where literally women are celebrated being independent and screw men, right? So women and, and are brainwashed by the media, by the establishment, by the education, ev- everything is all brainwashing to break up families. Over 50% of marriages end in divorce. As a young, ambitious entrepreneur that's going to build a lot of wealth and you're, you're, you're on the journey to build a lot of wealth, marrying someone who's going to be attacked by all the outside establishment, and then potentially, if you end up getting divorced, now you're going to be absolutely clobbered, and the court systems are basically against you. Um, why would you put yourself under that risk when you can? You know what? We can live together, we can be together, we can stay together, we can be committed, we can have kids, but we just won't involve the government, thank you very much.
>> I mean, I guess it depends where you stand. If you're a Christian.
>> Mhm.
>> Then you'd want to be married because that's what, you know, that's what God said that we should do. We should, you know.
>> But did God say involve the government and, and, and get a piece of paper? And did God say that?
>> Well, I don't know, but this is the thing, right? It depends what you're following. If you're in a Christian marriage, and, you know, the setup for that is quite traditional in that, you know, the man provides, the wife submits to her husband, but then also the husband loves his wife. Yeah. And you're following that, then I feel like there shouldn't really be divorce or issues because, you know, that's the ultimate, you know.
>> Right.
>> Relationship, um, setup. But if you're in a relationship, then you're listening to social media who are always like beating on men, like saying, "Oh, men this, men that." Or you're like that feminist that's like, "Oh, no, but we should split everything and I should, you know, I should work and then I don't know." I think then, then that's when you have problems because the expectations then. Because if you're a feminist, then you are saying like, "Oh, no, I'm not going to submit to my partner, to my husband." Um, everything should be 50/50 equal, fine. But then I just think people pick and choose though. Like the feminists even pick and choose what they want. I, I don't, I don't really know.
>> Way? What do you mean?
>> As in like, they'll want girls want a guy to look after them, provide, and this and that. But then will then feel hard done to if the guy expects them to, I don't know, do their laundry or clean the house or things like that where they just like, "We should both do it." I don't really know. I just think that's where a lot of issues come from.
>> Basically, society's messed up and as a result, it leads people who are Christians, who are good people, who are not brainwashed by the media, just to ask questions like, "Do we even want to get married? Do I even want to?" But actually, we are in the world but not of it.
>> Yeah, exactly. That's it. Right, as, as citizens, we say we're global citizens. As citizens of heaven. Yeah. And as, as, as God-fearing people, we say, "Actually, we are in the world but not of it. We will commit, we will have a family. Yeah. We will try our best, we will love one another, we'll make sacrifices." Without. I mean, yeah, what I said is true about the society attacking, attacking people's minds, attacking. But we're not part of that. Yeah, yeah. We don't listen to that, we're not brainwashed by that. We, we, we, and as a result might have slightly different views. Yeah. To modern, modern people. What about friends? Talk about your. Do you have like a lot of girlfriends and what do they think and what's going on with that?
>> Growing up, I did. I did used to have like a group of, you know, close friends and then I think as I've, well, got married and then life's just different, living different lifestyles and things like that. I don't, I wouldn't really say I have like a core group of like girlfriends. I have made actually good friends through business.
>> Yeah.
>> Like people that have been.
>> Tell me about that.
>> So on the academy, there's so many ladies and I've connected with some. Ah, they're the right kind of friends, man.
>> Yeah, because they're all the right.
>> We keep our circle smaller.
>> Yeah, very, very small.
>> Academy only.
>> Academy only.
>> Yeah. And I think, and I think it's because, just like, I don't know, people then judge you if you've got lots of money, you feel like, I don't know, there is, people don't say it, but then, you know, you can, you can feel it and you can tell, like, "Oh, this person's a bit different with me now." So I just think that keeping my circle small is really, really good.
>> But.
>> Although the academy's kind of big.
>> Oh yeah, the academy.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah, the academy's big. But what you say, it's.
>> Lots of awesome people of the same mindset.
>> I think it's.
>> Have the same mindset.
>> So what kind of person would you be cool with? Like, would you, if, if there's a girl that you want to spend a bit time with, maybe invite her out for dinner, what would the tick box need to be? What's the red flags versus the green flags of being someone.
>> Flags. I can't stand being around people that moan about their husbands or boyfriends. I'm just like, I can't relate. I just think yawn, like yawn. If you've got an issue, then just sort it out or don't be with that person. But things like that, I'm just like, I like people that uplift each other. So if I find a couple and the girl's always talking good about, you know, her, her partner, I think that's a good. I remember when I want to give a shout out to Mishak and Annabelle Spooner, who I went round their house, I think just before we got together or just as we were dating.
>> Okay.
>> I met them. I think just before we got together. This is like 12 years ago now and I went round their house and they invited for some dinner because I was chatting with Mishak and he was like, "Oh, come round, we'll get some dinner." And I met his wife Annabella. And the way they were together, I was like, "Wow." And he was playing the piano and he was singing. Right? Because he's, he's a bit of a musician or whatever. And she was going like, "Wow, you're so talented. Why you so?" And then he was really like complimentary of her. And the way they were, and they're still together and they're super happily married. But I was like, "Wow, it's almost uncool to do that in, in the UK."
>> Yeah, right? It's always cool to always.
>> Or put down or. But actually, it's horrible and it's toxic and it's wrong. And I was like, "Wow." And, and so shout out to those guys. And obviously, we've met many other people since. But bickering and putting someone. Yeah, they're putting each other down, especially 'cause I feel uncomfortable. I'm just like, "Oh, so what, what am I supposed to do now? You're just talking bad about each other like. Yeah. Okay, this is weird." So what, what are the red flags? So there's moaning about your husband and putting him down. What.
>> [snorts]
>> Else? Other red flags? Good question. I guess just not being honest with each other, even just hiding certain things from each other.
>> No, I'm talking about. Sorry. I'm talking about red flags with someone that you would have in your circle.
>> That I'd have in my circle.
>> Yeah. Like what would you be like? Someone who talk. Someone who I feel is just like a bit of a blabbermouth and I would, I'd feel like, "Oh, I can't really say anything because it won't end with them, it's going to move on to someone else." That I'm not, I'm not into. If we have a conversation, then it just stays with us. But I mean, a big red flag, which I've had a lot of actually, is people trying to be my friend because they're trying to get to you. If anyone, if I meet anyone and they already follow you, or for me it's a little bit like, it's a bit sketchy. But then on the academy.
>> No, no, no. It's different. No, no, it's different. That's different. On the academy, they're already in.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's different. On the academy, it's totally. Like they're almost like they don't want to. They don't want to pay for their academy membership, so they think if they can become your friend, they can maybe get a bit of something from them. It's like, "No, no, no. Pay your dues, man."
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just mean someone who just comes cold. And.
>> What's green flags? What would be like, "Yes." Green flags.
>> Sorry to interrupt. I don't care about someone's money. Like, we're, we're closer people that have got no money.
>> Oh, yeah. That's like a, a non. That's not.
>> As long as they're broke. What I mean by broke is their mind.
>> Yeah, their mindset. If someone's like, got a rich mindset but an empty bank, that's fine.
>> I'll tell you one of the my red flags. Is when people try to avoid get the bill at the end of the. Oh. If we go out for a dinner with someone [laughter] and then they're like expecting that I'll pay just because I've got money.
>> Yeah.
>> And I'm like, yo, when I was 17, I remember going out for dinner with, I, I don't know how rich he was, but at the time I thought he was really rich. He was definitely comfortable, he had a nice car or whatever. And I was broke. I was in my overdraft. I couldn't afford petrol. I was thinking, how am I going to get home? Because I had a little Ford KA, 450 pound car that was falling down, didn't have any petrol, and I'm like, "Oh, how am I going to get overdrawn? I'm really struggling." And I sacrificed the last bit of petrol money that to get me home on getting the lunch with the guy because I thought, "I don't want to go out for lunch with this guy and be expecting him to pay and be." No, that's a bad position. That now, the now we're, we're, we're almost. I'm now what? I was like, "Oh, please can you pay?" And being entitled.
>> Like 17 years old.
>> Yeah. So that for me is horrible. I'm not saying they should get the bill. With our friends, normally it's just seamless. I'll often pay. Yeah. But like sometimes they will. Yeah. You just pay for everybody.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll pay for me and everything.
>> Awkward. And not like. Yeah, yeah. The worst is when you just.
>> Slip off to the toilet.
>> Or or when they go like, "What did you order?" And like, just, just. I hate that. Yeah, split it or just bear it. Another red flag for me as well is people just being blamers and moaning and talking. Like, I know I might do something interesting. I did a video about churches getting closed down. You, you know, we've been doing this together.
>> Yeah.
>> Churches have been closed down, it's really sad. So we're now wanting to buy churches, store them and, and help with that. And I posted about it on social media and some of the comments were like, "No, no, no, no, no. We're not together." They were like, "Oh, yeah, all the Muslims." And I, and I'm like, "What? No, no, no. I'm not talking about Muslims. I love Muslims. I'm talking about churches, which is a place of hope, a place of refuge, a place of worship in Great Britain. With it might not be acting like a Christian country right now, but I'm going to claim it's a Christian country with Christian roots. We need churches open. Yeah. Right? I'm not talking about Muslims." So when people coming on going, "Oh yeah, the Muslims are terrible, taking over." I'm now like, "No, no, no, no. I don't want you to follow me."
>> Yeah.
>> Because if you're toxic and hate Muslims and hate, and then you end up what? On the academy, God forbid, and [laughter] now I have to put up with you. That's why I did that post where I was like, "I want to do a video to talk about how much I love Muslims." Because I thought that way, anyone that's like, really angry.
>> All those people, the haters.
>> Yeah, the, the crazy, the crazies. And there's crazies on both sides. You've got, you've got the crazy far left, you've got the crazy far right, and they kind of meet in the middle, which is fueled by hate. Yeah. But actually, you know, I think we're all about unity.
>> Yeah.
>> And have you experienced much sexism or racism in your business, as a property investor, as a quantity surveyor, just over the years?
>> I'd say no. Um, I've lived in the UK, well, I lived in the UK for 20, 20 odd years.
>> Yeah, you moved here when you were 10.
>> I moved here when I was 10. I've never actually, I've never experienced racism there, but I know things like that probably go on.
>> What do you think about like Black Lives Matter and all that kind of, you know, like.
>> Wow, that turned out to just be a whole like a scam, wasn't it? Someone just set up this thing, took advantage, got some money.
>> But do you think that it's harder being a woman or a black person or person of color, whatever you want to call it, in business or not? That's an interesting question. 'Cause I've got my opinion, but you're probably a better person to answer that.
>> One.
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> I, I'd probably say no. I don't think it's harder. But that's not to just take away from people that have hard hardships because of their race. But in my experience, no.
>> Is that because you're so good looking then?
>> [laughter]
>> That's your opinion. Some people would look at me and be like. But I don't know. No, I don't think it's because.
>> What I think? I think that it definitely, I mean, I've, I've seen racism from when I've done financial freedom challenges with students and stuff, and I have seen people being discriminated against or treated differently because of the color of their skin or whatever. I definitely think that it will, it could be problematic sometimes in the same way that people prejudice against me because they don't like the fact that I didn't go to university and that's when the bankers and that, I'm working class. But I think that you have a choice to either let that define who you are and just go, "Ah, it's hard for me," and make it an excuse, or to say, "Has a woman succeeded in this business before? Yes. Has someone who's black? Has someone? Yes. Therefore, it can be done. If it can be done, I'm going to do it." I think that's a more empowering mentality.
>> I agree. I don't like the idea of telling my kids, I never tell my kids like, "Oh, you're half black, so you have to work twice as hard because the white person's always going to get the opportunity first." Like, what kind of like teaching is that? I just think so disempowering and just so awful. You just need to be taught like I was taught by my parents, is just, you know, do your best, work hard, and you'll then reap the benefits of your hard, your hard work that you put in. So you get out what you put in sometimes. And I just think, yeah, you don't want to, yeah, like you say, it can happen in situations, but I just think it's not a good mindset to have. If you're good at your business, yeah, yeah, yeah, people are going to want to do business with you. And, and, and I also think, yeah, I mean, I don't want to take away from anybody's experiences and I know, listen, if you're a pretty blonde woman like Charlotte from High Living Estates. Yeah. Pretty blonde woman. She has people all the time say to her, like, "Can I speak to the owner?" And she's like, "I am the owner."
>> [laughter]
>> Right. Which is, which is could be annoying, and it's almost a bit of a disadvantage, but at the same time, if you're a pretty blonde woman, I'm not being funny, but there's also going to be advantages.
>> Yeah, that's true.
>> Because, because if you're, even with little things, I sometimes send you, aren't I? Like, if we're broke down and I'm like, "Oh, we need to ask somebody for some electric things." If I go and ask, they're going to be like, "Ah, shut up.
>> [laughter]
>> Fix it yourself, white man." Whereas if you ask as a woman, as a pretty woman, as well, you're much more likely to get, "Oh, come on, I'll help you." And then they're like, "Oh, you're with some dude." And they're like, "Hi, I don't know what to do. I've never changed a tire."
>> [laughter]
>> But it's interesting, but yeah, ultimately, I think you just got to get good. Be so good they can't ignore you. And the best form of revenge against racism or discrimination is success. Yeah, true. So if you've been trodden down by somebody, the elites, and people judging you, treating you bad because, because of the color of your skin, or because of your, your race, or your religion, or because of your gender, then be successful. And also, we have all sorts of people on the academy as well. Oh my gosh, there's literally every last. I can say every race. I don't know if there's every race, but literally, I just, there's so many people that represent so many different backgrounds. And we also have people with different philosophies and beliefs, and we have people politically that stand very differently, which is interesting. We've got people, we've got, we've got. I'm trying to think now. Remember I did that interview with Andrew Tate? Lisa, and she was like, "Oh, hey, Andrew Tate, really annoying you, mate, but we're friends." And I think the thing is, isn't it? In real life, disagree with someone, you can have a different political stance, but it, but you can shake hands and agree to disagree. And you can, we're unified on, we all want to make money. We're making money together, so we ain't going to argue about do we like Donald Trump or not, because we're too busy making money. Um, to end, then tell us a little bit about the refugee that we've got and the, and the, and the works that we're doing this year in Zimbabwe and Uganda. And I'm so excited to go back to Zimbabwe and Uganda this year. Um, but yeah, the refugee that we're doing. So we've bought a house, and that house is not going to be like the typical property investment. We're literally going to be just giving it to, partnering with a church, and they are going to find some homeless people that need support. Our house is then going to be that refugee where they're going to have, how long in the house? They have two weeks, but then if they do my training in that two weeks, which is rebuild your life training, that gets extended to another two weeks, so four weeks in total. So four weeks in total. And it's just like a, a nice, nice stop gap, something to almost like to restart, to reboot, just give them that opportunity because some people are on the streets just, you know, through no fault of their own, just bad, you know, decisions or circumstances or whatever. And this is just something that we're thinking might be able to help them. Also, so in the course that Samuel's created, the rebuild your life course, they'll be learning things that they may have never been taught before, money management, even just like, you know, how to get on the list to get a house through the council, basic things that, you know, you just assume people know, but they may not know. And basically, it's just going to give them the opportunity to reset and restart. And that's the kind of thing that you're really involved in. And I think that one of the reasons we're blessed is because for us, yes, we want to make money in our property business, in all of our businesses, but also, it's more than anything about impact. And we celebrate those stories more than the money. You don't even know how much money we're making in this business bank, so you're going to explain that. But impact is everything. And I think we're blessed to be a blessing. To whom much is given, much is required. And I think that if you're in the position that you're able to help people, then you should. So, would you recommend the ladies watching, the guys watching, maybe a slightly younger generation? 'Cause I feel like I'm a younger generation.
>> Yeah, yeah, younger generation. But we are, you know, mid-30s now. That is crazy.
>> So would you recommend then that people pursue marriage?
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> Do you think that they should pursue their business first and then get married, have kids, or, or what?
>> That's an interesting one 'cause I mean, if you're lucky enough to just find someone when you're young and then you can build together, that's great. But I, I don't think I'd ever be the person 'cause I know some people are, but I'd never be the person to be like, "Put your career first and then later get married." I love that I got married young. I don't know if it's that young. Yeah. So I mean, I would encourage to just, you know, get married early, start your family and build your life together, your business together.
>> People say, "How expensive is having kids?" Is it expensive having kids?
>> No. I mean, it's funny as well, because I feel like you can never really plan for it. When you have them, somehow you can just, you know, you can just provide for them. So I don't know anybody I've ever met that had a kid and then later went, "Ah, we should have waited. We really should have waited." But I do know people that are saying, "I'm 36, I haven't got any kids, but ah, I just want to do this, this, this." It's like, "Yo, have a kid now. What are you waiting for?" If you're in a position, you know, where you can have children and you know, definitely do that. And some of the guys, some of these guys, man, I have to, I have to beat them up that they can't commit. If you can't commit to someone, you're either having an issue and you just get over it, or you're with the wrong person. Yeah, let them go. If you can't commit to the person. I don't get dating for like three, four, five. How long were we dating before we got engaged?
>> Oh, we were dating for, well, three months. We knew that we were, we were going to be engaged. Three months. We were unofficially engaged and nine months we were married. Nine months from meeting. Nine months from meeting 'cause it was in the December. We met in April. So we met for the very first time April 5th, 2014, and then we had our African wedding, lobola, January 18th, 2015, nine months later. And 11 years on, four kids. Yeah. But if you're with the right person, you just know. If you're not with the right person, yeah.
>> We're built well. Remember how rich I was when we first met? You don't remember?
>> [laughter]
>> I'm like, not that rich. I had a million pounds worth of property, lot of mortgage, was making okay money on the deal sourcing, didn't have an education company or anything back then. It was very early on. And then we met, you quit your job, we went full-time on the property business, and we've built everything up basically together. I mean, yeah, I gave us a bit of a leg up. Now, I mean, the first, 'cause I've been in the business about five years on my own. 'Cause I was 22, 23 when we got married. I started at 17. But basically, we've built the empire together. And I just want to say to you publicly, I love you, I appreciate you, and you're the best thing outside of finding Christ, best thing ever happened to me. I love you so much.
>> Thanks, babe. Hope you enjoyed it. Let us know in the comments. See you next time.