My Spirit Guide Wasn’t Who I Thought It Was

Everything in the spiritual world is in your head. So it's thoughts, it's transmissions, it's telepathic. So that entity is communicating with me telepathically. I'm communicating you telepathically. I say, "Can I see you?" And then this entity is like, "Are you sure you won't be afraid?" And I said, "No, I won't be afraid." And this entity comes from behind me, a snake, a serpent. It's a black and shiny. It comes like this and glides right in front of me. And I'm like, "Wow, you're a snake." And now I'm having full-blown conversations with it. It's telling me all the mistakes I made in my life. How I need to forgive people in my life. It points out dreams I had when I was 4 years old, which only I know. I thought, "Oh my goodness, this is one of the best people I've ever met. It is a spirit. It's obviously knows more than I do cuz it lives in the unseen and it has much more access, right?" So, I began to trust it.

This is something that is going to blow your mind. Cheryl, welcome to God's Voice today. So excited to have you on the show. We've recently connected during one of my 15-minute phone calls that I do every single day. And by the way, if you're watching this and you have a powerful testimony you want to share with me, go to godsvoiceday.com/call just like Cheryl did. And I would love to hear your testimony. But Cheryl, you had a supernatural encounter with, um, with your spirit guide who turned into a spirit or into a serpent. Tell me more.

Sure. Okay. Hi everyone. And it is an honor to be here, Vlad. Thank you so much for having me. It is an honor to be able to share that Jesus is real, that he's really God and what he has done in my life. He saved my life, not only on this earth, but on the next afterlife. It was so all glory to Jesus. I'm going to take you back to how things started so you get a bit like a picture of how life was like growing up for me with very unusual upbringing in a way. I was born and raised in a country that predominantly was an Islamic country. My parents are Indian and we are Catholic. So it was quite a mix. And in this country that I was born and raised, the main religion was money. So it was always how much money you could have, you know, which car you would drive. It was mammon; literally was the god.

As I was growing up, my parents would take me for mass. So we went for, you know, we had, um, Sunday classes, but it was happening on Friday because in that country Friday is the day off. So we used to go for catechism and we learned about God and Jesus. And as I was growing up as a child I was pretty close to Jesus. I'll say like I used to talk to him like a friend. And as I continued to grow and became a teenager, the questions started to arise. And I remember we went for a youth retreat where the priest was delivering some, some of the talk on the Jews leaving Egypt. And I remember him talking about the Red Sea opening up. And when people went through the Red Sea, when the Egyptians came, God closed the Red Sea over them. And to me that was shocking. As a, as a teenager, I thought he killed all those people, most importantly all those horses because I love animals. Okay, so for me this was the horses really bothered me. I love horses. So I went and asked the priest. So we didn't, we had the opportunity to write our questions down and submit to the priest. I wrote my question: Why did God kill those people and the horses? Because God made the Egyptians and he made the Jews. It didn't make any sense to me. And the priest was answering people's questions, but for some reason he didn't take my question. Now to a person's reign and how, you know, the enemy will kind of come in there and twist it. I interpreted it as he doesn't know what he's talking about. Obviously, this doesn't make any sense. God isn't going to save some people and kill some other people when he made everybody in the first place. And so, this cannot be God. This doesn't sound like a good God. And I need to find God. These guys don't know who God is. So, that was the conclusion that I subconsciously made. And I started to think I need to find who God is. I always knew there was a God. It's not that I did not know there was a God. And I was always searching since I was a kid. Always like when I was a kid, I thought it was Jesus. And then I started to grow up and I started to think it can't be Jesus. Cuz I was living in a Muslim country where I see the Muslims are so devout. Like they would pray five times a day. I actually admired them. I said, "Wow, like you need to have dedication like that." So I was, it was a metropolitan city, really metropolitan, like 50 plus nationalities and all the religions that you can imagine. And religion was a taboo topic in that country. So we all respected everybody. So everybody was equal. It was a given. You know religion is a private matter. We don't talk about God. We only talk about money. So this was basically my upbringing in growing up.

And since money was the god in that country, the focus was always on career on work. So I used to go to work in the mornings and I would study in the evenings. So I did my undergrad. I did my first master's in international business. I did my second MBA in finance. And you don't stop studying because you think if you study you'll get promoted and you'll do better at work. And it's all about how fast you can climb, climb the corporate ladder. And I eventually became the youngest assistant vice president at a large local bank in that country. I even went to Harvard, Boston to study. So the reason I'm saying this is not to impress anybody but to impress upon them: I was a very logical person, off the world. Totally off the world. Okay. So I wasn't like some religious person living in like in a secluded cloister or something. Okay. So I never ever was a religious type. Very worldly.

And as I continue to grow and I start to search for God, it so happens that my cat gets really sick. And this is how my slippery slope into new age begins. And often people would say, how would a person who's like so intellectual, intelligent or whatever, like worldly academic like you get into this mess? And it's because it's not one fell swoop that you fall into enemy territory. It's like small little steps. And so it starts with my cat getting cancer and I go for a training where there is this really senior Caucasian gentleman and he says that he can do this particular type of healing called Reiki healing. And he tells us about how he healed somebody's fractured bone. And I obviously am thinking maybe he can help my cat. So I very naively go up to him and I say, "Look, my cat's got cancer. Do you think you could help her?" And he says, "Yes, give me her photograph." So I give him a photograph of my cat. And I start thinking I need to learn this cuz obviously we need to learn this. If I'm going to have pets all my life because I love animals, I don't want, I mean we can't get medical facilities for animals like we humans, right? So I decided to start learning Reiki.

The first time that I went for my first lesson of Reiki, I was able to see something that I have never seen in my life before, which got me really curious about the spiritual world. So here's what happens. I put my hand on a random stranger. They actually pair you up. And so I put my hands on a random stranger, this lady, and I start to see little lines and then my eyes are closed. Okay. So while I'm doing this Reiki, they initiate you. They do something on your head and they pray something which I have no idea what they were doing. And then, uh, I was just there to like learn this, I can help my pets, and then I start to see these little lines and I start to see this flesh forming and I suddenly feel like a light bulb switches on and it's like, um, pus floating inside a uterus. It's like translucent skin. And I can still see it as vivid as it happened yesterday, but this was maybe like 20 years ago. So I see a little fetus. His eyes are closed and I am shocked. It's almost like I'm inside the, I've never seen such a thing before. So I was like, am I, what am I seeing? Why do I see this little embryo like baby? And I come out of this Reiki thing and I asked this lady like, are you pregnant? And she's like, no, I look fat. I was like, no, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I shouldn't have asked that question. I was really embarrassed. And then the next day as I was speaking up, my mom asked her, my mom is also with me, like why are you doing Reiki? And she said I'm trying to heal myself. So my mom asked her, "What are you trying to heal yourself from?" And she says, "Oh, I really want to have a baby." And I was shocked, like shocked cuz I did, I had seen this fetus embryo and she said she wants to have a baby. So I spoke to my teacher and he said, I said, "Can I see the future? Like is she going to have a baby?" And he said, "No, no, you can't see the future, but you can see her thoughts." So you're very gifted. Now I'm saying this because everyone who starts to walk in new age, all these teachers will say you are gifted. The truth is that we do have gifts and they come from God and therefore his kingdom. But the enemy will use it because we don't know it. So the enemy starts to tell me that I have the gift and I am special and that I have to practice this modality. So it starts, it's a, it's a long journey. So I'm going to fast forward from Reiki and then move down to other things like I tried theta healing. I try, uh, angel cards, pendulums, like this search is huge. Like the amount of things that I did. My mom tells me that there's this meditation thing going on which is called Raja Yoga. So I went for that when I was a teenager. I remember that was like eye-opening for me cuz they said you are, you say my house, you say my car, you say my eyes, you say my stomach, you say my brain, so who are you? And I was like, who am I? Yeah, that's right. I don't say I am mind, I am brain, I am stomach. No, my body is different and who am I? What am I? So that started that curiosity of spirituality and it was like one thing leading to another searching, searching, searching. I started to read.

Now this is a really a real big warning for listeners that I, since I was such a voracious reader and and hungry for self-development and self-go like Tony Robbins and Robin Sharma and I started to read things in self-development, but it is like a broad umbrella that they have in the bookstore and they call it self-help but you would have echartole you which is totally new age spirituality and you would have things like ask and it's given which is totally new age spirituality where that ladies is definitely talking to a spirit guy. All of them under self-help. So I started to read because I just want to do better at work and better in life and I start getting into the spiritual, spiritual mortality. So law of attraction, manifestation, all of these books are there and then I'm searching. The whole point, Vlad, is I was looking for God, which is very interesting. I was like, who's God, like where is God and I don't understand like what should I do to find him? And then there was this 10-day, it's called, it's a Buddhist meditation where you don't speak at all for 10 days. It's silent meditation. When you meditate for 10 hours a day, it's totally crazy. I did that for 10 days just sitting in silence and meditating. I've done crystal healing. So, just really like one thing. It's just like another thing. And in new age, it's like a whole buffet of things that you can do once you start. It's like, hey, try this, try that. So, chakra healing, it's just unending the list of things that we do.

Before we get back to the episode, if you're enjoying this interview, can you take a second to subscribe? It really helps us reach more people with these powerful stories. Thank you in advance. Now let's get back to the interview. And then, uh, there's this thing called automatic writing which is very important to mention because I did a course on it. And automatic writing basically says you go and sit down and then you start writing and you don't know like who's writing and it's supposed to be a psychic gift or psychic ability which sounds pretty cool. A lot of books have been written like this, like set speaks. It's another new age book or ask given like I just said and there was a course in miracles which then a lot of people know about. All of them were written in a similar fashion which is automatic writing. So I did a course on that thinking, you know, I'm going to be able to get some information from some divine source and this is important. I will link it up to the story of how things work out later. I have my notes here so I don't miss anything.

Now as I'm searching, somebody tells me, Cheryl, you know what you've got to try summitting Mount Kilimanjaro. It will change your life. And I was like, okay, cool. Let's try Mount Kilimanjaro. Cuz I had never treked in my life. If I was a very city girl, but I was like, it's going to change my life. So, I did it. I, I succeeded. I summited. Somebody told me, Cheryl, you should go for a Tony Robbins event. So, I flew all the way from the Middle East to the US and visited his, um, unleash the power within because they said it would change my life. And this is important because then somebody tells me, try this thing called Ayahuasca. It's going to change your life. Ayahuasca, for those of you listeners who don't know what it is, I'm going to say it's good you don't know what it is. But if you ever hear of it, run away from it like as fast as you can. Ayahuasca is a drink that is served in, um, the jungles of Peru, right? And this is like actually found there, but now it's everywhere. People are exporting it outside, but it's organically found in the Amazon. So I decided to go to the Amazon. It took me like 24 hours to reach there, that we had to take two flights and a road trip and go into the jungle because it was going to change my life. Like that's what someone told me. So I, it's a drink. So it's a herb that they make out of mixing two different plants. And I drink this drink and what it does is that it knocks you out literally, like it knocks you out. So before you go for this drink, they'll tell you things like you can ask questions and you will receive answers. You can ask for healing, you will receive healing. And this is very, very true that when you ask questions you will get answers. I have heard numerous people who've said that they received healing. So obviously you think that it's good, right? You think healing is good. This is a very important key learning for anyone who's listening that we think that healing only comes from a good source. But we got to know that the enemy can also do signs and wonders. And it says so in the Bible. It's not, you know, it's, it's a biblical saying that a time will come, people, the false prophets will come with signs and wonders. So signs and wonders can be performed by the enemy territory. It's part of witchcraft. That's why witchcraft exists.

So back to the story. So I go into this experience thinking it's going to change my life. I literally knew nothing about it. I just knew that you drink this drink and you go under and eat and ask questions and get answers. So Vlad, when I drink this drink, my first question, Vlad, was God. That was my first question cuz I really wanted to know God through this whole odyssey. It's must be like, you know, 15 years now, 20 years of searching, going to all these modalities and I was searching. I was thinking maybe I was going to get the answer and I say, gives me a whole visual. Now when you do this, it's called a psychedelic by the, the psychedelic is a jump you take where you go into different spiritual realms and you have access to knowledge you wouldn't have otherwise. You have spirit guides leading you. This, this thing is really real. Like I have experienced it. I'm coming from a purely intellectual place. So I'm not like a shaman. I never lived in the jungle. So I'm telling you this actually happens. You go into this and the first thing is that someone I could hear someone guiding me. So this is the spirit guide in quotes. It's not a spirit guide. At least not like a friendly guide. I think they, they pose to be very friendly and they pose to be like they are your guides, but their only role is to deceive you. So the spirit guide comes and talks to me and says, "Uh, yeah, close your eyes, Cheryl. Don't worry about it. You're fine." Cuz I was resisting it. Like when the medicine takes over, it's, it's called a medicine. That's also such a deceitful word. It's not medicine. It's poison. So when the, they call it medicine, they call it plant medicine. Literally, now that I think of it, it's just deceit everywhere. The words are all mixed up. Everything is mixed up. It's new age, but I've heard videos of people talking about how it is a deception 10 years ago. I've watched videos on YouTube, so it's not really new. It's very, very old. But, you know, that's how the enemy operates. We're just mixing words up. And humans buy anything. Like, they really believe stuff there. We, we are so gullible. And that's why it's so important for me to share this testimony because I literally was in the enemy territory for like 20 years. I've seen it all, bought it all, drank it all, did it all. And I know how he operates and that's why this is what God calls me to do is like tell people the truth about the enemy and so that's what we're doing here, you know, with this, with this testimony. So I drink this drink and it's, and I said this plant, this is a spirit guide that comes to me and says the creator got mixed with the creation and I see this whole visual of like a drop falling in the water and I start to see like plant life and and and water life and like fish in, in the oceans and I see dinosaurs. It's like I see the whole creation and the plant tells me the creator got mixed with the creation. So God is in you and here's where it all begins which is God is in you. You are God, which is, which I now know in retrospect is the first ever lie that Satan tells people that you can be God. And I thought, oh, this makes sense. Now we know this is a kind of a thought process called pantheism where the belief is that God lives in the creation and God is not a separate person. So I start to go down the slippery slope of, of having these conversations with Ayahuasca. Now Ayahuasca is, uh, is such a strong psychedelic that once you drink it you're out for 6 hours. I mean, you cannot move, you cannot talk. You can't, you can barely get up to go to the washroom. Like you cannot move and you're totally active in your mind. You're on a trip literally in the spiritual realms. You see all those colors and you speak to people. So this I'll tell you about because I had a total of 24, five different like ceremonies. So I've had a lot of conversations with the spirit. But I'll tell you the key highlights was once when I was telling the spirit guide, this is on the second day of the ceremony. I was like, can I see you, cuz I was only hearing it. So it's not like an audible sound. Everybody asks, is it audible? No.

Afraid?" And I said, "No, I won't be afraid." You know, and this entity comes from behind me and it's like this this fat a snake, a serpent. It's a black and shiny. It comes like this and glides right in front of me. This is in my mind's eye, okay? It's not like ever when my eyes are closed and I'm in it's called chuma, which is a state of being under. So you're in tuma. You're awake in your mind but but sleeping in your body. So and I'm like, "Wow, you're a snake now."

I had moved so far away from believing that God was real by now or that the God of the Bible was real or that Jesus was real or the stories. And I did not believe the Bible was real. I thought it was an ancient book. I used to be born with history in school and I was thinking, "This is ancient. Like who's going to be who can understand this it this ancient made for farmers, you know, like that's what I used to think." It's just so that your view can see that I totally didn't believe in it. In fact, I'd come to such a stage where I was thinking, "Yeah, maybe Jesus existed and he was like an ascended master," cuz that's what new age teaches you, and there's no way to prove that he was real. That's what I used to think, which I know I'm wrong about now, of course, but that time I was like, "You can't prove that he's real."

So I used to have an altar with a statue of Jesus, with a statue of Buddha, with a statue of Mother Earth, with a statue of the Egyptian goddess Isis. Like I had all these statues. So I had my own shrine of like Avengers, as I call it, like everybody was on it. Jesus was there too because I thought he was one of the many, you know, and and I held on really strongly to this belief lad that all religions are equal. I mean, actually irrelevant. It's I I honestly believe that you had to be a good person and that's all that mattered. I I it was in my every cell of my being. This was my belief that all you need to be is a good person. Doesn't matter what religion you come from and you will go to God.

Okay, so back to the story. Ayahuasca is telling me that it's a serpent. And I was like, "Wow, you're such a beautiful snake." So, I love animals. Like I said, I love snakes, too. I had a pet python. So, I have no aversion to snakes, which did not serve me in this case. And I was like, "Wow, you're a serpent. That's so beautiful. Let's go and like, you know, slide down some grass together." And we actually went off into the grass. I became a serpent, too, in my in this visual in this vision, right? And now I'm having full-blown conversations with it. It's telling me all the mistakes I made in my life. How I need to forgive people in my life. It points out dreams I had when I was 4 years old, which only I know, which is very important cliff notes, which is you're always being monitored. The enemy knows everything that you are experiencing. They're watching you all the time. When I was 4 years old I had a dream about something and the serpent brought this dream up saying, "Remember that dream you had when you were 4 years old," and telling you what to do from that. So they're watching you from the time you're a baby. You're always the monitor. That's just good good knowledge if you will. Yeah. And I the way that it was coming across to me, which is forgive people, you know, be kind and think it's good. I thought, "Oh my goodness, this is one of the best people I've ever met." It is a spirit. It knows. It's obviously knows more than I do cuz it lives in the unseen and it has much more access, right? So I began to trust it.

And here's how this this is something that is going to blow your mind, lad. The next morning. So you do the ceremony in the night, you know, now you think about it. Why does all this happen in the night? Everything happens in the darks of the night. Like all lights cycles. It has to be really dark at night for this to happen. I wake up in the morning and this entity never gave me its name. But I woke up having a word for it, like a name or title. I thought, "That's a weird thought in my head. Where did that come from?" And I woke for breakfast. I'm sitting with the other people who were in the ceremony. So it's a group thing. So there's about maybe there were 15 people in this group ceremony with me and I heard two girls talking saying, "Mother said this to me," and it shocked me cuz the title I had in my head or the name for this entity was Mother. Now the serpent didn't really ever tell me my mother, but they implanted that information in all of our minds that when you wake up everybody we refers to her as Mother. If you go online and see it is called Mur. I didn't know that. I'd never done the research. So I'd never researched anything about ayahuasca. Just watch one TED Talk. I thought TED Talk must be a good guy. It was a professor who was talking about it. So I thought, "Must be good." I didn't want to do any research cuz I thought it will bias my experience. So I wanted to go really all in. I've always been like the adventure junkie. So I did skydiving and deep sea diving and I want to experience everything. So it was one of those things. I just want to experience it. And this entity implants the name of Mother in everybody's mind. So everybody feels it's a mother. This is how deceit works. Most people love their mothers and the bond between a mother and a child is pretty strong. So he uses the name Mother and he puts that in our minds without telling us. He never told me my name is Mother and it and and oh by the way it comes across as a female by the way. So we all tr we all trust generally females better. So this entity poses as a female. It's not a female. I know who it is and I'll tell you later. Not a female and definitely not a mother. But this is what he comes across as. So it's really good information for anyone who's done ayahuasca and to know this part that I have had this experience and I know exactly what you've experienced. Some people also refer to her as Grandmother but mostly Mother.

Okay. So Ayahuasca then goes down and says, "You've got it." Okay. This is so important. I had these nodes in my vocal cords where I couldn't speak like for like a loud volume for too long. My voice would just go away. I had these growths on my vocal cords where the doctor had told me he needs to surgically operate it and I said, "No way." I was really terrified of getting anyone to cut anything in my throat. So I said, "No surgery please." And he said, "Well, in that case you just cannot speak loudly and you cannot speak at extended durations." I was like, "I'll live with that. I'll live with it. You know I just don't want any surgeries." So since people had told me that I could ask ayahuasca for a healing. I said, "Can you heal my vocal cords?" I must have called her Mother by Mother, "Can you hear my work of gods?" And she says, "Yeah, I feel them." I said, "Okay." Um, but you got to do something. There's always a price to pay. And this is something that you will hear people always say, "There's a price to pay when you deal with with the forces of darkness." They'll do stuff for you, but you have to pay something. So I said, "What what have I got to do?" And she says, "You've got to teach people what I have taught you." And I said, "And what is that?" And she said, "Everything that I'm teaching you now, I'm going to teach you." I said, "Sure, that's cool." I said, "How do I do it?" And she said, "You will write books and you will go on social media and you will teach people." So, she tells me exactly what to do. And so, she teaches me how law of attraction works. She gives me visuals of law of attraction. How when you use words, what happens? When you use affirmations, what happens? And I come out of this and I am on fire. I was like, "Oh my goodness, I got it," like I found God or like a quasi god. I thought it was a quasi god. I knew it was not really the creator like I could think like it was something else but but I was like pretty powerful being and came out and I was like, "I'm going to do it."

So I came out of that ayahuasca ceremony, came back I think I was living in Canada by now, came back to Canada and I created a Facebook group and I started to go live on my Facebook group and teach people about law of attraction. That group picked up so quickly. We had about 2,000 people in there and I was teaching the law of attraction. And then one day my sister comes to visit me and we go out. We go out and it's a very loud place and I'm screaming all night. And the next morning generally I would have no wife. But the next morning we wake up, the day goes by and my sister suddenly just, you know, we're in the car and she hits like the the glove compartment. She is like, "Cheryl." I said, "What happened?" She's like, "Cheryl." I said, "What happened?" She said, "Your voice your voice hasn't gone." And we were both stunned cuz if I ever went out any night where it was a loud place, I had no voice for the next two or three days. And who were I? It's healed. So I had fulfilled my part of the bargain, which is I taught people law of attraction and I did receive the healing. This is factually what happened. And praise the Lord. Thank you God. I actually renounced that. I told God like, "Now I know where it's come from. I don't want it if it's come from the enemy. You know, if you want to take it, you take it. I just want to be right with you." But God in his graciousness, my voice is perfectly fine. I can now like I continue to speak and speak loudly. I speak for 3 hours now. No problem. No problem. Praise the Lord. Thank you, Jesus. So, I have received like literal physical healing from this plant. So, you'd imagine I'm thinking this is the next best thing since sliced bread. So, I go and tell my mom about it. Literally, I'm like, "Mom, I found the answer." My mom is a seeker just like me. We were searching. "Who is God? Where is God? Who is God? Where is God?" I told my mom, "You got to come with me." Like, I was so so into it. I believed it so much that I took my mom who was 70 years old for this crazy psychedelic ceremony. I am so grateful that, you know, nothing happened to her. But that was the most insane thing I could have done. Anyways, but we were we were both so desperate to find God, like for a supernatural experience to know who is God, to like be we knew there was something beyond the physical, right? So, my mom comes with me. I'm going to, you know, that's my mom's story. If ever she comes on the podcast, she can share. But I was deep into this. Deep into this.

And another thing that this thing would do is that it gave me visions of skulls. And I'd be like, "Oh, that's scary. That's scary. Don't show me skulls." And then she'd be like, "Why are you scared of skulls? Is a fish afraid of its own bones?" I was like, "No." So she said, "Yeah." So why would you be afraid of your own bones? And so this is how the indoctrination happens, like slowly swaying you away from what you you already know is wrong, but it will sway you by saying, "Fish is not. Are you afraid of fish bones when you eat fish?" I said, "No." So why are you afraid of your own bones? And then eventually I started to have little skull figurines in my house, like it's wild you know that now now that I see because I was blind back then. So it's it's how this indoctrination happens, one thing after another. And I did a few another one psychedelic which is called psilocybin magic mushroom. I tried it once but you know I had a similar experience where right so this starts to happen to me which is called forget the term for it now let's call it channeling. In the new age, most people know it as channeling. I would start saying things that I wasn't saying. Somebody was speaking through me. I was in an ayahuasca ceremony. A girl was there on my right like in a corner. I don't I couldn't even see her face. It was so dark. But I knew when once I was in Jumas, of the once the entity basically had control or access to me, I knew who she was and I knew what she was struggling with. And I just looked towards her and I started to sing and I started to say, "Raise your voice. Raise your voice," is what they tell you. They're all lies. "Sing out loud. Sing out loud." And I'm singing to her. I don't know why I'm singing to her. Next morning, I asked her, "What? What was I singing to you? Does it make any sense?" And she said, "Yeah, I am a professional singer, but I stopped singing." I was like, "What?" Like, it was insane. I was getting messages for other people in the group. And then I started to shout, "You are love. You are light. You are God." And I would repeat this like 50 times, 100 times, like just repeating, "You are love. You are light. You are God." So the enemy uses his language love, light, healing, which is all the language of God, the language of Jesus, and convolutes it because those are good things and we all we all are drawn towards it. That's why new age is blowing up because it's all beautiful, glittery, you know, crystals like who doesn't like that? It looks all beautiful and that's how unfortunately it is. The packaging on the outside is so good that people are falling for it. Hook, line, and sinker. So I I started channeling and actually receiving messages from myself and others. And I would do theta healing where I could scan a person's body and I could go down their body. I could see their organs and I'd be like, "That organ is switched off. Like the light's not on it. There's something wrong with it." I wouldn't even know what the name of the organ. I'm not a biology student. I'm a banker finance person. But I'd be like, "There's an organ in your neck." And then I would supernaturally see it's the thyroid gland. I'd be like, "Your thyroid gland is messed up. You you need you take medicines for it." Like I wouldn't know what's happening in people's bodies supernaturally. Yeah, there's no way for me to explain it except this is exactly how it happened. And I have like I've done this in a group. So there are eyewitnesses to this. I'm not making anything up. They're eyewitnesses saw me do and then the lady tells me for 10 years she's been had thyroid issues. I had not met her before this time. So this is all happening and I'm going down this path really believing it. Teaching people new age. I'm sending people to Ayahuasca. I'm like, "Go go go go go for Ayahuasca." I must have had like and I by now so I left banking and I figured out the whole like how to manage my money. So I achieved financial freedom. I authored a book on financial freedom and I had host of clients who I was coaching to achieve financial freedom to do well with your money. So I was all about the money. Remember I came from a country where it was all about the money. And I used to teach people, "You got to love money. You don't love money you have to love money." I didn't know what the Bible said. So I was I was doing everything wrong. Everything wrong.

And then the change agent I would say is that Co happens. I think you've heard this from many people. Co somehow helped a lot of people. My mom stumbles upon new age to Jesus testimonies on YouTube. She starts to tell me, "Cheryl, I don't think new age is what it is." And I said, "What do you mean? It's all love and light." She's like, "No, it looks like Jesus is real." I was like, "What do you mean Jesus is real?" Like I mean we were like in the church forever. We didn't feel anything. You know we were searching everywhere. "Jesus is not like the only way or the real god. He's probably yeah an ascended master," and she starts to pray for me like which I didn't kneel but she was but she later told me that she prayed about three to five times every day for me that I should see the truth. And I think that what happens next is really a result of her prayers. Okay. So this is a message to all the moms, dads, whoever of their kids are like not following Jesus and just pray for them. It works. But how it goes down from here is it gets very dark. So just a precursor if you will. I um get married and I have a baby and after the baby is born I am filled with fear. Like I had a whole series of things that go wrong and bad. Even like right after I got married, my spirit guides told me to buy a house. And I never wanted to buy a house. I was always into financial freedom like live anywhere, work anywhere. But I was like, "Oh, the spirit guides are telling me to buy a house, so I have to buy a house." And I thought that they know what's best for me better than I do. Maybe the market is going to go up. So for some reason, the advice they started to give me started to work against me. And I think this is a result of my mom's prayers. I will never know because we can't see what's happening in the spiritual world. But they told me to buy a house. I bought a house and in one month that house lost $300,000 in value. And I did not want to buy a house. I just bought it because the spirit guides told me and I was miserable. I was in a house I didn't want to live in. I was away from the city cuz I'm a city girl. I was living in the suburbs and I was I had a baby and I was totally lonely. And this is where the dark night of my soul starts. I am lonely. I have no friends here. There's nobody around me. I feel secluded. My husband's dad passes away in a tragic sudden like stroke. Uh he he had cancer but the stroke hits him suddenly and he was in coma for 2 months. He was gone. So my husband was grieving as I had my kid. We had a first my first baby. I didn't know anything about it. I was and I had postpartum depression. I think now that I can that's what the doctor said. But I I mean I it was more than that. It was definitely spiritual cuz I was scared full of fear for the baby. I thought he was going to die. Like I was like, "I'm going to drop him. I won't be able to hold him." I was scared to do anything with him. I didn't take him out of the house for 6 months cuz I was like, "He's going to get Covid." And then 6 months later, I went on on a vacation cuz my husband and I got married during Covid. So, we never got a got to get out on a honeymoon. So, my my mom and dad were here. They said, "You go on a honeymoon." So, my my husband and I go for 6 days. I come back and that night shaking like little I was so sick and I brought Covid home and gave it to my son. And I kept my son under home arrest for 6 months. Didn't take him out cuz they didn't want him to get sick. I was full of fear and just paranoia. Just paranoia all the time. I was scared he's going to fall. I was scared I wouldn't be able to hold him. So, I had um a really really difficult time. And I'd never experienced depression. So, I didn't know what depression was. But I remember lying on the floor literally crying and thinking, "Why am I alive?" And I and I just told my husband, "This doesn't make sense. Life does not make sense." And this was the first time I really wanted out. Like I did not want to be alive, but I had a baby so I

Was I just stuck around, you know, and I still felt like I didn't want to be here? This doesn't make sense. I said, "We work so hard. We, you know, go through all this stuff in our lives, uphills, challenges. And then eventually, after a few years, we die." Like this doesn't make any sense. This doesn't make any sense. I don't want this. I want out.

And I would cry for hours, and I would be on the floor crying and crying, and then my uh headache started, and my headache started to get so intense, lad, that I couldn't lie down for days. I wouldn't deal with sleep. I was sleeping sitting down. So my headache starts at the back, like I'm all with his face inside, and I go to the ER because the pain was unbearable, and they gave me some pills and they said, "If you lose motor skills, come back." I said, "What does that mean?" They said, "Oh, if you can't move your face or you lose sensation." Two days later, I couldn't close my mouth and I couldn't close my eye. So, I had a facial paralysis.

Now, they admit me in the hospital, and this is really bad. But this is where Jesus binds me. So, I um, visit me in the hospital. They were all kinds of tests on me, and they couldn't figure out why I had—I had—they did a scan, and I had a swelling in my brain, and they couldn't figure out why. But I knew it was because I was so depressed. It's happened to me—the four months when I was really depressed, I had a seizure. So when I get really like emotionally upset, my brain tends to break down, and I uh came home—my mom—for my cousin—growth though. This is where Jesus comes into the story. Praise the Lord—I'm sick. I can't move. They pump—they pump me with steroids because they wanted to bring that inclination down in my brain so that my face would restore back. Him.

My cousin Ron just says something so simple to me. He says, "Uh, Cheryl, why don't you pray for the Holy Spirit?" And I'm thinking, "The Holy Spirit, like the one thing I could think of was a dove. That's all I remember, the Holy Spirit being a dove that came on Jesus. That's the story I remember. I don't remember anything else about the Holy Spirit that I learned in Sunday school, you know, in catechism." So, I said, "Oh, okay. Like, what have we got to say?" Because at this point, Vlad, I'm willing to try anything, anything, you know. And he said, "Uh, yeah, just pray for the Holy Spirit." He was a Catholic as well, but a charismatic Catholic, so he knew the Holy Spirit. Most Catholics don't. Maybe there are some who do, but mo—all the Catholics I know don't know really who the Holy Spirit is. And so I just said, "Okay, Holy Spirit." Um, I was like, "What should I ask him?" And my cousin—my cousin's name is Steven. So I was like, "Stephen, what—what should I—what should I say?" And he said, "Just say, 'Holy Spirit, I want your gifts.'"

And now in my really idiotic mind, I'm thinking gifts. Oh, like Santa Claus. Literally, that's what I thought, lad. And I'm thinking, yeah, sure. I can give it gifts. Like I really didn't believe it. It's just the grace of God. That's what it is. I just said in my head, "Okay, Holy Spirit, I want your gifts." In my head, I didn't say it out loud. And I felt something come over me, and I couldn't stand. And I remember going to my bedroom and telling my husband, "It's happening. It's happening." And that meant when I would come and take over my body, I knew what was happening. When somebody else was taking over my body, then I would speak, right? And I would do things and I would say things that I wasn't saying. And I knew somebody was taking over my body. Like something was like coming on me. And then I felt like something wanted to speak through me, and I was losing it cuz I had had no substances, and I was wondering what is going on, and I was like, "Tell my husband I need energy cuz I was low on energy," but I knew what was going to happen next somehow supernaturally. I said, "I need energy—get me sugar—get me—like I don't know—coffee with sugar," which I never drink, but I was like, "Give me coffee with—with milk and sugar." I go to the mirror. I look at myself in the mirror and I say these words. They come out of my mouth, and I say, "Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Every knee shall bow. Every tongue confess that Jesus is God." Cheryl is confused, besides herself, going, "What is happening?" because I know that somebody's speaking to me. This is not my wisdom. I did not believe Jesus was real. And I don't know why I am saying something that sounds like it's from the Bible.

And now I go into bed, and supernatural things start to happen for the next 11.5 days. Vlad, I meet—talk to God and somebody else. So in the daytime now the Holy Spirit is talking to me, and I know it's the Holy Spirit, and he's telling me, "You read the Bible." I was like, "Read the Bible from cover to cover." And now I run down. I'm telling my husband, "Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming." Like I'm just literally saying—it's like I believe it—is—I open the—open your phone and check the news. It's in the news. He's coming. He's coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. This is the Holy Spirit speaking to me. I don't know why I was saying that. I have no idea. But I kept saying that, "Jesus is coming. He's coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Open the news." And that day there was an earthquake in Turkey. And my husband's like spooked. He has no clue what's going on. He's spooked beyond belief because I start now literally like a waterfall of Bible verses. I've never read the Bible, okay? I—if you tell me a book like Jeremiah, I wouldn't know if it was Old Testament. New Testament—is in the Bible. I wouldn't know. Like I barely—I didn't know nothing. I maybe knew—I knew there were four gospels. I wouldn't be able to name the four gospels in the Bible. You know, they never asked us to read the Bible. Like the priest would read it on Sunday, but I would never read a B—I started saying, "House of Jacob, seven sons of this," and I was on and on and Solomon and he's the wisest king. And I knew everything in the Bible. And I was just like unstoppable, okay.

And then Holy Spirit told me, "Go create a sacred—a secret place to pray and you sit there and talk to God." And I went, and the Holy Spirit told me how to set this place up in my basement. I set this place up. I put a table. I put a—a cross. I put a candle, and I would just sit there, and I would just talk to God. And he told me—he told me, "Play praise and worship non-stop." Now, I had never listened to praise and worship before this, lad. So, I just went to YouTube, and I was like, "Bust praise and worship." And I found this 1-hour non-stop something. I put it on loop, and I kept it on my other phone cuz Holy Spirit's voice was so clear to me, and I had to obey—like I was like, "It's God—I was wrong. Oh my goodness. It's like this wheel—like just like door—it just door—like—" and I said, "I was wrong. I was wrong. All of that is wrong. Oh my goodness. I can't believe it." It's like I had to backpedal so fast, blood. I was like, "I need to fix this. Oh my goodness. I need to fix this. What have I done? What have I done? I've taught everybody the wrong things. I've done everything wrong. What have I done? What have I done?" I was like, I ran, picked up my crystals. I ran out of the house. I took my angel cards. I had maybe 12 sets of it. I started throwing everything. My husband's like, "Why are you throwing all this stuff?" Now, he has no clue. He was not a believer. He has no clue what's happening. And I said, "Well," he said, "Why are you throwing it? You can just sell it. You can make some money off of it." I was like, "No, this is bad." Just started throwing everything. It was wild.

Okay, now this is all the good part, but here comes the bad part. Every night at 1:00 a.m., something would wake me up. And I thought it was the Holy Spirit because it was the Holy Spirit during the day, right? I thought it was the Holy Spirit wake me up at night. Now, I didn't know cuz I had no discernment, zero knowledge of God, zero knowledge of who God was or what the Bible is. I has zero knowledge—just like, oh yeah—maybe I knew about the stories—some of the stories in the Bible and Jesus died on the cross and all that—but—so this voice would wake—uh—person—entity—spirit—whatever it is—in my head would wake me up and say, "Okay, uh, you need to write," and my hands will be sweating—so this is going back to the automatic writing that I just told you about that I had done this course on—so I would get this message, "We need to write," and I would go into my husband's office, and I—and I would hold my—take out books, and I was in a frenzy, and I start writing, and I don't know what I am writing, but I would just write, and I would not be able to stop writing.

So what was happening was that through my new age and uh—ask—is—I need to kind of like spoil the story. It's a spoiler. It was actually the enemy who was already in me. And this is a very important point because a lot of people say that if you're a Christian you can't have demons. And I'll tell you that if you had demons before you became a Christian, they ain't leaving because they're goons. They ain't leaving. You got to cast them out. Demons need to be cast out. And I had a demon from Ayurasa. I'm pretty sure this is the demon that I got from Ayurasa. And it was in me, and it was very upset because it knew the Holy Spirit was here, and it knew it was going to lose me. It was very upset. So what he starts to do in a last-ditch attempt to keep me for himself and not let me go to God is that he starts to uh tell me thoughts—like give me repetitive thoughts—and he starts to say, "You're actually the mother of the second coming." And I was like, "I'm the mother of the second coming." Now see, I didn't know it was a demon. I thought it was the Holy Spirit. Right? Because I couldn't tell—that I had no discernment. I was listening to voices—that—they're—you can't see them. They're not physical. It's in your head. So, it's very hard to discern until you have the gift of discernment that the Holy Spirit gives you. So, I was like, "Oh, this is God talking to me." And he said, "You're the mother of the second coming." I said, "That can't be." And he would say, "Yes, you are." And every day, he would tell me, and this was happening for 11 days, lad. 11 days and 11 nights. During the day, the Holy Spirit would talk to me. During the night, the enemy would talk to me. And I couldn't tell the difference. And so, I thought I was working for God. And I said, "I'll do anything for you, God. I have messed this up so bad. You tell me what you want me to do. You want me to jump, I'll jump. Like, I am so sorry, God. I have really messed this up. You tell me what you want me to do, I'll do it. But I know that you're real. I know. It's like the real tour. My eyes were open, and I knew that Jesus is real. And—and for the next 11 days, the Holy Spirit trained me, taught me exactly what the Bible says. He will teach you all things. He told me, "Cheryl, there is no way except Jesus." I said, "No, I'm not—I'm not accepting this." He said, "There is no way except Jesus." I said, "No, I'm not accepting this." You tell me the Muslims and Hindus are not going to go to heaven. Not unless they know Jesus. I fought the Holy Spirit, blood. I rejected. I mean, he's so patient. He's so kind. He understood, and I wept because I married a non-Christian. To have—like my family is non—non-Christian, if you will—I—my majority—like 80% of my friends are non-Christian—like they're all Hindus and Muslims—Muslims mostly and Hindus—I couldn't believe that I couldn't—but he was like telling me, "He's the only way—sh—he's the only way," and he told me, "You've got to know the enemy—you cannot win an enemy you don't know," and I kept repeating that, "You can't win an enemy you don't know—you can't win an enemy you don't know." I would ask many questions—"Why is it like that? Why is it like that?" and he would—you're trying to ask questions—like you're trying to fit the universe into a tumbler—like a glass of water. It ain't going to fit. Like God is so big. Cuz I was asking all the big questions, you know, "Why is this created? Why is it like that?" I was like, "Can you all forgive the devil, please? No, this can't be true. Hell's not real. Devil's not real." I was like, "No, please." Because the Holy Spirit was downloading everything into me, right? I was getting all the knowledge, all the wisdom, but I couldn't—I couldn't hold it cuz it was like every single belief of mine was not true. It's like almost like suddenly you wake up and they tell you that you're a Martian, you know, and I'm like on a different planet. I said, "No, like every reality of mine was—was shattered by this life and afterlife and religion and Jesus and Holy Spirit and the devil." I said, "No." I was like, "Oh, can you just forgive the devil? Maybe," you know, I was like, "Can you just talk to the devil? Maybe if you negotiate with the devil." And the Holy Spirit starts to laugh, and it's like, "That's why we love you cuz you love everybody, including the devil." Like you're negotiating for the devil. No, he ain't got in turn. I was like, "Oh, man. Please, like, this has to change. There has to be a better way than this hell and hell and demons." And but of course, God wasn't going to change for me. So, I got this whole download, blood, and in the night, which is what I want to talk to you all about, is the devil.

And so, I start receiving messages to start writing. Now, I'm going to—I've got like about four or five books here. I'm just going to show you some of the key things. This—this message I had never heard before. I'm not going to say it. You can just see it. So it says, "At the patriarchy, God is a female. Okay? And man is the problem." And—and then things like—I'm going to read this out. "Cheryl, you are the medicine. You've got to take mass retreats of people to Peru to the place that you went to. Lead the ceremonies yourself. Do it in masses. Hundreds of people. You are more powerful than any shaman." The enemy is trying—last-stitch attempt to stop me from going to the other side. And then he makes me write, and I'm writing books—like this is all the ending uh writing. I don't even know why I'm writing. So it says, "The greatest lie ever said is that you cannot become God." Like he's making me write this, and then he asks me another page. Now I know, of course, the Bible says this is the first thing he asks. "Do you want to become God?" And I am writing this stuff down nonstop from 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. And he says, and I've written here, "I am—" Do you see the anti—my husband tells my mom, "Something's really wrong with her. You've got to take her." She flies down to Canada. She picks me up, and we go to India because they knew some spiritual people there who could pray over me. It was very evident to everybody. This was spiritual. I was not sleeping. I was just on something—like during the day I was just babbling biblical stuff. And at night I was just writing—like I could not stop writing. Um, the enemy told me what colors of pens, what stickers, everything—like where to get the books. He knew which aisle to turn in the store before I would go. He'd be like, "Walk down that aisle. Look right," and I saw three people—their whole eyes were all black, and I would hear the word "condemned"—like I didn't know I was—I was—now I know it's called walking in the spirit—I didn't know what was happening to me then, you know, I had no idea—so for 11 days I do this, and now I go to India, and on the flight my mom tells me, "Cliche—I'll just be silent—don't say anything," cuz you're scared that bit so me off the plate, you know, and I would just keep on talking and talking.

Now, here the Holy Spirit intervenes to give me what I know was proof because I—he knows me—that I would need proof to believe this. I wouldn't believe it. And I would hear these horrible like thoughts in my head, and Holy Spirit is like, "Bind it and cast it. Bind it and cast it." So he—he was teaching me self-deliverance. I was saying, "I bind you in the name of Jesus and I cast you out. I bind you in the name of Jesus and cast you out." At one point the Holy Spirit said, "This is too much for you. I will do it." And I literally threw up. It was in the planes. We had a barf bag. I threw up. And now I know—which I didn't know back then—that when deliverance happens, demons leave and you vomit. Like you can cough or you can vomit. It's very common. I vomited. This was the first time I've—I've been to more than 55 countries. I've been on maybe—I don't know—300 flights. I've never—w—it. So it wasn't like flight sickness or anything. Right. It was just deliverance, self-deliverance. I saw that happen. I—I actually took a photograph so I would prove to myself, "This is really happening. This is not in my head." And then I see visions—visions which convinced me. I got three visions, okay? I'm standing in the—in the airline. I was walking up and down the aisle, you know, I was muttering under my breath cuz I was hearing voices all the time. So, it was either the Holy Spirit or the—I—I couldn't now tell you who was talking. I was always listening, receiving messages, and I see a bride coming down from heaven—like from the—from the top of the plane or whatever. And I'm thinking, "Wow, that's a bride." And by now, the devil had convinced me that I was the second coming—like the mother of the second coming—my son was the second coming. And I literally started to wear a crown. He had me convinced that I was going to be the queen of this world. It's really wild. Anyway, so I see this bride coming down from heaven, and I think, "Oh, it's me. That's so amazing." And then I can hear the Holy Spirit saying, "Read Revelations." And I can hear the words, "'I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride, beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, 'Look, God's dwelling place is now among the people,' and he lives with them." This is Revelations 21:2. So, I saw this vision, and I immediately knew the Bible verse behind it and knew exactly what it was. Like I could hear it or I was—I don't know. I received the information. I couldn't tell you, but I just knew it was from the Bible, and I knew which chapter was in the Bible. Then I see—like I'm sitting—I—right now—the next—the next vision I received is that I'm sitting on the seat in the plane, and I'm just like moving up and down like this, and—and I keep saying these words. "I will hunt you down from every mountain and hill." And I can see that I am in the front line. I'm charging forward as if in battle. I can see in my—so like I can see that I am there, and there—there—there are Muslims on one side, Sikhs on one side. We're all on the same team, and we're all good. We're—we're on God's team, and we are fighting, and I know.

That we are out to get the evil people. And this is Jeremiah 16:16.

After that, I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down from every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks. And I knew that I was a warrior, and I was going after evil. And I, I don't still understand why I had Muslims and Sikhs on my sides. Maybe somebody I will know. But right now, I don't know why I saw that. But I knew that I was fighting. I knew I was in the front line. I knew I was a warrior for God. And I knew that I was after the enemy. And I was just saying, "I will hunt you down from the crevices. I will hunt you down from the crevices." And this is Jeremiah 16:16. And then I see the third vision. This was God speaking to me and showing me his righteous anger.

Remember back when I was 16, when I was like, God killed the horses, and I didn't like him. So now God puts me in his shoes, and I am literally seeing wicked people, evil sin, and I can feel God's disgust for sin. And I can see that there's like this red, uh, desolate land, and people are dying, and there's no one to bury the dead. And the uh, and it's just they're being punished for their wickedness. And this is Jeremiah 14:16. And the people shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword, and they shall have none to bury them. I saw that that there's no one to bury the dead. I just knew it. The dead are dying, and no one is there to bury them. They will have none to bury them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters. For I will pour their wickedness upon them. That's what it says in Jeremiah 14:16. And I saw that God is right. Like when he when he doesn't like sin, like this makes sense. Like it made sense to me. Like it's evil, and he doesn't like it. And I got it. I no longer remember that horrible stance I had, which is how can God do this? Like I understood it. So I saw that was a third vision that I had.

Now we land in India, and I am just obviously not, I don't understand what's happening to me, Vlad. It's like I'm going through the motions. Thankfully I had my mom and dad. I am so grateful that my mom and dad knew what to do with me. So this is, I land on a Friday. I thought I was going to go meet this holy person, like a religious brother, and he was going to pray over me. I was so excited to meet him. I knew that he would answer my questions. All I knew was he's going to tell me what's happening to me. My parents couldn't answer. No one knew what was happening with me. I was like, "What's happening? No one knows what's happening." So, I knew that this guy could answer my questions, but they tell me he can only see me on Sunday. And so, this was Friday, and I was so devastated cuz I really wanted to see him.

Now, on Saturday, I feel the enemy starting. I didn't know it was day. So, I, I just get these thoughts in my head that they're coming to kill me, that they've caught me in this house. It was my uncle's house. It got, they got me trapped, and people are coming to kill me. And this is paranoia. A lot of people who have experienced demonic oppression will, will have this paranoia. They're coming to kill me, and you know people are after me, and he will put visuals in your mind of like, I saw visuals of people running up the stairs of the building I was in, and they had knives in their hand. They were coming to kill me. So I ran to the bathroom. I locked all the doors. I'm standing in the corner with like a metal bottle in my hand. I'm thinking someone's going to come, and they're going to try to kill me. And that's when I heard the Holy Spirit in my head say, go baptize yourself. And I was like, baptize myself. Exile, I was in the bathroom, right? It's like, go stand under the shower and baptize yourself. So I go, and I stand under the shower, and this is the moment, lad, when I knew that there were two, not just the Holy Spirit. I thought all this time it was just the Holy Spirit talking to me. I thought it was the Holy Spirit making me write these books, and I thought the Holy Spirit swears because I was like, f the patriarchy. I thought, oh maybe the Holy Spirit really likes to swear because the book's full of Fs and Bs. But I didn't know God. I didn't know God's nature. So I had no way of saying no, this is not God. I had no, nothing like nothing, right? So I go under the shower, and I'm standing there, and the Holy Spirit's guiding me and saying say this after me. So I'm saying that, Cheryl, I baptize you. And I kept repeating this line and I forget the reference, saying, shouldn't this daughter of Abraham who Satan has held bondage for the past 18 years be set free on the Sabbath? I forget the Bible reference, but I kept repeating that. Shouldn't this daughter of mine who Satan has kept bound for 18 years be set free on the Sabbath? Shouldn't this daughter of mine who Satan has kept bound for the past 18 years be set free on the Sabbath? Like, kept saying that, I, and I knew that that Bible was for me. I was confused. I was like, this book was written 2,000 years ago. How can it be for me? I couldn't understand like what is happening to time? It was such a big jumble in my head, and I just go under the shower and I said, I baptized you, Shah. And as I started to say that, I hear another voice in my head saying, bang your head on the wall. And now I was like, oh, there's two. I wasn't scared. There's two of them talking to me. And the Holy Spirit through my mouth says, "Not a hair from her head shall fall." And I continued and I said, "I baptize you, sh, in the name of the father, son, and the holy spirit. And I baptize myself under the shower over there because the holy spirit asked me to." And then after this, that paranoia in my mind just starts to subside. I put on my clothes. I go into the bedroom, and I'm sitting. I'm going, "Why did I do that?" Like I created such a racket. Like I was like, "Oh, you guys are going to kill me." Right? When I was in the bathroom, I got a message. There was a, there was a priest in the house. And I start to speak to him through the Holy Spirit. And I start to say, "You, you wear my uniforms." And I'm getting visuals in my mind. Is the Holy Spirit speaking to me this time, saying, "You wear my uniforms and you hurt my children." And I know that he is talking about religious people hurting children. Okay. So, and I'm starting, I thought that this was for that priest, but it was not for him because he starts to say, "You hurt one child. You hurt 10 children. You hurt 100 children. You hurt thousands of my children." I'm on the floor on my knees, and I'm sobbing. I'm sobbing. Like, you hurt thousands of my children wearing my uniforms. Sher's thinking, "How did this guy hurt thousands of children? Cuz I am aware, but I can't stop what's happening to me." And I realized that he's talking about all the religious people, not just him. Okay? And I'm thinking, God cries, cuz I was crying, not because I was crying, but because God, like the Holy Spirit was crying to me. And later I know that says even in the Bible, Jesus wept. And I could feel the Holy Spirit being grieved. I think like, just crying for these children who are abused under the name of Jesus and religion, man. And I was like, "Repent." I've never used this word in my life, lad. Never heard of it. Like I've heard of it, never used it. I thought it was an archaic word, which like, who uses it, so disgusting. Like, repent, really, like you know, as a human, you're so full of pride, like why would you repent? But I kept saying, repent, repent, repent now or you're going to lose your soul. I was shouting at that man on the other side of the door. I was shouting at him, and I was asking people, is he on his knees? Is he on his knees? He needs to repent or he's going to lose his soul. I just knew it. I don't know. Holy Spirit was telling me, I guess. So of course, I didn't know any, I don't know what I was saying. I was just like, "Repent or you're going to lose your soul." So, I come out of that experience. I go into the room. I baptize myself. Yeah. I go into the room. I'm sitting in the corner. I feel better now. All the paranoia is starting to lift. I think that baptism did something. Okay. Like that the, the paranoia, the fear, everything starts to subside. I go to sleep.

Next morning, I get up and I go to this holy man, this man of God, who as soon as I see him, I remember like falling on my knees, and I'm like, "Why didn't you tell me before?" I've met him once before, and I don't know what I meant by that. I was like, "Why didn't you tell me before?" And then I start hissing like a snake. While I was on my way to this guy's house, the enemy was in my head, and he was saying, "I am the good snake." You know, like the Hindus, they have all these cobras and stuff. Those are like deception. Those are the fake snakes, and they are bad. I am the good snake. You can keep me. But I now knew that there were two, and I knew that the, it was the enemy talking to me. I was not scared. I was like, "Sure, sure." I was just like, "Yeah, okay, sure. I'm sure you're good." I knew who he was by now. Now, it was obvious to me. The Holy Spirit in his graciousness and kindness did not reveal to me that I had a demon because I was so scared of ghosts. Like, if I'd watch a horror movie, my sister would have to come and sit in the bathroom with me while I was behind the shower curtain taking a shower. I couldn't close my eyes if because I'd think something would grab me. I would never watch horror movies. I was terribly scared of ghosts, demons, and demons and all that stuff. I never believed it. My mom was starting to talk about it. I told her she was crazy, and I laughed her out. I was like, "What? Demons are not real. This is just ridiculous. Okay, demons are not real. They make these horror movies to scare you guys. This is all nonsense." So, the Holy Spirit did reveal to me, I guess, that I had a demon cuz I wouldn't be able to take it. Maybe I'd just have a total nervous breakdown. So, by now, but I knew I was okay with it. And I was, and I go to this guy, and I start hissing like a snake and hissing, s, like I'm hissing, and I'm on the floor, and he looks at me and he's like, you've got to go, like he's talking to the demon inside me, and I reply, I hate you, Jesus. And then I reply, is mutual. So that was the enemy speaking to me, and I thank God, Jesus, or Holy Spirit speaking to me. Cheryl is aware, and I'm thinking, what is going on here? Okay. I don't know what is going on, but it's just happening to my body. I'm watching it like a third person. And then this guy says to me, you got to get out. And I said, I'm not leaving. This girl is mine, name your price. My aunt is here standing next to me, my dad's sister. My dad is somewhere in the room. I don't remember. Maybe next to me. And my cousin brother is here on the left side. And the deliverance minister is right here. And I'm saying, I'm not leaving. Name your price. And my aunt is like, "No, no, no. You're going to leave. You're going to leave." She, I think my aunt has witnessed deliverances before. So she was pretty cool about it. Like, I, I never seen deliverance in my life. So I was very confused about the whole thing. And then he says, "What's your name?" And I said, "Lucifer." And my aunt goes, that was the first time I seen her react. And I said again, "Name your price. The girl is mine." And for a moment, Cheryl was filled with fear. Even now as I recount it, I felt fear. I said, are they going to name a price, you know, are they going to give me to you? I was like, Lucifer is real, I couldn't leave, and he says, no, you're not going to take the girl, you don't want any price from her, in the name of Jesus. And now I don't remember what happens next. I remember I wanted to hit this guy. So I told my cousin, hold my hands, hold my hands, hands, I'm going to punch him. He's like, don't worry, don't worry. You'll be fine. I was like, no, hold my hands. Hold my hands. And they lay me down. And they put some holy water, and I was like, "Sit burns. Take that out of my mouth." And then I remember being like, waking up on the floor. Now you remember what happens next. I don't have any memory of it. And then I just remember waking up on the floor, and this guy goes, "She can go. She can go, take her to the hospital." And then they take me to the hospital, and the hospital asked me what happened. I told them what happened. Now when you have the Holy Spirit, you can't lie. You know, you know, you got to speak the truth, right? You have to speak the truth. I had a cross with me. I wouldn't let it go. I was like, I need this cross with me at all times. And they were like, "Oh, she's crazy." I mean, not in those words, but she needs to be in the psych ward. So, they put me in the mental ward for 1 month.

I am checked in now. I am checked in, Vlad, but my mind is totally turned on. I am like, I know what's going on here. I start to take my notes because I am the academic person. So, I have two MBAs. Remember, I went to Harvard school. I was a class nerd. Always the front of the front row. I start to take notes. I start to interview everybody in the mental hospital, mental hospital, mental facility, whatever. I'm like, "What happened to you?" He's like, "Oh, I just had superhuman strength. I fought 10 cops." I was like, "Oh, interesting." Studying notes. Okay. I'm not going to take his name. Mr. V. Oh, so he had superhuman strength. He said, "I just use this as my research time cuz I knew this is spiritual." Now, I was receiving guidance from the Holy Spirit. He gave me downloads of the religion of Islam, which is probably out of context. I want to get into it right now. But so many things were revealed to me in that time. And I, and they, they were like, they want, they kept asking me, can you still hear the voice? I was like, yeah, cuz I knew it was the Holy Spirit. I was like, yeah, I can hear him. I can't lie now. And, and then they were like, okay, they need to increase the medicine. I told the Holy Spirit, they're going to increase the medicine. Will I, will I like stop hearing your voice? I was so scared they would stop hearing his voice. I said I never want to stop hearing your voice. And he told me, take whatever medicines they give you. Never going to stop hearing my voice. I was like, yes. So they were like, they want to put me on something called lithium. It sounded pretty bad. I was like, okay, go ahead. You give me lithium. And then they decided against it. I don't know why they said, "Okay, maybe she doesn't need it." And then I, um, had to lie. I have to admit, I had to tell them that because a girl came up to me and said, "If, if you keep telling them you can hear, they're going to keep you here forever, and they're going to put you with so many medicines, and we all know that somebody's talking to us." So within the people in the hospital, they're like, "We're out of the matrix, man. They're in the matrix." Okay, so everybody had some cocaine that started it. A guy started with meditation. They were all getting possessed in some way, shape, or form, but medical science was calling it a mental illness. So they, they said I had something called schizopenia. They said the other guy had bipolar. You give them all these labels. Of course, I, my mom knew was spiritual. She took me to another doctor. The doctor's like, there's nothing wrong with you. Like you just had a psychosis. They call it a psychosis, which is an event where you, where you break, you know, like from reality, which is actually being in the spirit, which is what I think science calls psychosis. I'm not on any medication. I've been set free since then. And then I came out of that when, um, K put down my medication. I was out of it. Took 6 months for my brain to reintegrate to the new reality, which is out of the world and into the kingdom. I started to read the Bible. The Holy Spirit ministered to me every day. I sat in silence. I would sleep for 10 hours. My brain was totally fried, like broken. Like something was so wrong with it after the whole demonic possession and your depression. And it was that, I, I couldn't write sentences. I would, I, I thought I was writing, but it would just be one line. I couldn't, I couldn't think for more than 1 hour. I feel my brain was overheating. It took me 6 months. I was in, I was away from my baby who was 6 months old. It took me 6 months to recover and come back. And as I came back, I started to go to YouTube cuz I had no answers in my life. Honestly, there was nobody. My mom and dad were like, "Forget what happened to you." I was like, "But what happened to me?" Like what was it? Do you guys know what happened to me? I was like, "You guys were there. Like there was a demon, and there's holy spirit, and oh, this is real, like guys, you know," they said, no, just forget about it, get back into your life. I was like, how can I forget about it? Like how can you forget about this? And I started to research, and thank God for YouTube. I'm thinking, man, what would have happened if I was born 100 years ago? Like I don't know, cuz YouTube gave me the answers. I met, I started to hear so many testimonies on channels like touching the afterlife, your channel came much later, but so many channels where I started to see that people have had demonic experiences. People went from new age to Jesus. People went from Islam to Jesus. People went from Hinduism. So everything Holy Spirit told me checked off. And I started to dive into it. And then 18 months later, God told me, "You've got it now. Whoever you let astray and took them to new age and ayahuasca, tell them." I couldn't. It was so hard for me, Vlad. You know when you have built your whole life around something, and people know you as an expert. They looked up to me. I was like their coach and their guide and teacher, and I was teaching them about stuff. But of course, I had to be obedient. So April, May, May 2024 was the first time that I told somebody. So all of this is happening in Feb 2023 by the way. Feb 1st 2023. That's the day I was born again. That's the day that the Holy Spirit, you know, filled me and started to speak through me and saved my life and saved my soul and took me out from deception and darkness and brought me to this new life, a new world. And I am so grateful, so grateful. From there, my life started to go up like you cannot imagine. So, uh, I stole one of my friends who was the first person who I had sent off to an Ayahuasca retreat, and I'm, I've repented for it. I'm so sorry about that. But I had to tell him that below what I told you will bomb. You know that I ask thing is not what we thought it was. And I told him my whole testimony. He couldn't believe me. He was like, "This is ridiculous. Are you saying all the Muslims are going to go to hell? This is stupid. Have you seen how many times they pray? Impossible. Jesus is the only way." I was like, "I'm so

Sorry, but this is the truth. He's the only way. I know it's so hard for secular people. It's very hard to accept this because we love humans. You know, we love our brothers and sisters who are like our—let's let's call them our, you know, family, friends, whatever—who are Muslims, Hindus; you know, we just—it just breaks our heart to accept this.

And so, yeah, and then he eventually, May 2025, accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior. Took me one year to minister. Don't have to convince him this is true. But in the meantime, I um—Holy Spirit leads me and tells me who to talk to. So, brought one Muslim from the Middle East to Jesus; brought one Hindu, took him to the sinner's prayer to Jesus. And the Holy Spirit told me, "Create a YouTube channel," the same thing that said, "You you will now do the same work," which is the same thing that answered your questions, "Will the same work," but this time you will interview people from religions because I love people—like love people, love Muslims, love Hindus—they're my friends, they're my family, I love them—and and it broke my heart—and He said, "We will use you because of this love that you have for them." And so now I have a channel which is called The Supernatural Truth, and God gave me the name of the channel. It's been 6 months since the channel's been live. We've interviewed 20-plus people from Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism—just wow, Vlad.

And the community I have, the miracles I'm seeing—autoimmune diseases going away. People are getting the gifts of the Holy Spirit. People are speaking in tongues. I—I pray, and I'm praying; the Holy Spirit tells me what to pray for. I can see what's wrong with them. Remember the gift I had when I was doing Reiki healing? I can actually see into people. I can see that their heart's broken. Like, "Is your heart's broken?" And I pour God's love into it. Now, you know, I can see like I give visions and I'm praying over people, like financial bondage. I see a chain, and I know that the bond needs to be broken. Like I can see things, and God leads me. And now I use this. It was a gift from God in the first place, always. And it was supposed to help me to pray for His people and lead more people to Jesus. And that's what He made me for. And I was—I—I had gone so far astray. But I know that He—I believe—I believe that I got the training I needed, and I kept repeating, "You cannot win an enemy you don't know," and the majority of humans don't know, and I know Him too well, you know, for 20 years I dabbled in, you know, His tools of deception, and then eventually got possessed for 11 days by Lucifer, and I saw the way that He convolutes the truth, you know, the lies in the book—like it's His brain in these books. So I didn't destroy them. I want to make a video. I want to teach people the crap that He teaches people, the lies that He tells people, and He repeats a lie over and over. You start to believe it. That's how—that's how a lie becomes a truth. I've seen it. And how He turns males—females against males—and the patriarchy, you know, just all this stuff. Just crazy stuff.

So yeah. So now my ministry is telling people the devil is real; telling them how he enters your life, how we need to close those doors, or take people to repentance, take them to confession, help them to renounce sins, close doors, get them to deliverance ministers. I've seen one, two people get delivered, I mean, through me. Oh, praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Talk about timing. Praise the Lord yesterday.

So, I've been ministering to people, praying over them, guiding them, discipling them—whatever people come to me, whoever the Lord leads to me. Was praying with this lady for the first time yesterday. So, I've had a lot of people say, "When you pray, I get angry." I know why—the why—they were telling me one guy was like, "I just want to wreck the whole room. I was going to crash the computer screen when I was praying." Okay. And yesterday I was praying for the leader. First time this has happened. First time, Vlad. I'm—my eyes closed. I'm praying for her, and suddenly she starts yelling, "Shut up. Shut up. Shut up." I look at her face, and she's so contorted, distorted. And I was like, "It's a demon." This was the first time a demon manifested. Oh. I was like, I thought I would always be spooked, right? Because I was so terrified of demons. But God, I was like, ah. And I started green like this. I was like, "You don't like me 'cause of the Holy Spirit in me." And I started to pray over her. I don't think I cast him out 'cause I'm not, you know, there. I'm just like a baby, right? So, but I prayed and I said, "You don't belong here. This girl has given her life to Jesus. Get out in the name of Jesus. You know, this girl has given her life to Jesus. You're illegal. You don't belong here." And I was smiling through it all. So I had my first experience with manifestation. God told me—He asked me, "Will you give him deliverance?" I was like, "Please, boss." I call Him boss. I said, "Please don't make me deal with demons, but I know that this is what He calls me to." And you know, I told Him all right later. I said, "Whatever you want me to do, of course." You know, 'cause I know that He gave—I don't know if He gave me a masher, but I feel like I had that experience. I know who Lucifer is. I know how the demons work. So now I—I—I somehow know how I can spot them in people, and the demons—when they're in people, they don't like me. So yeah, so that's my ministry now. Just uh—helping people find Jesus. Yeah.

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Cheryl, I love how you say you cannot win an enemy you don't know. But it's interesting how many Christians don't even believe that there's a spiritual warfare, demons, and all that stuff. I am—like I thought the resistance for me, for example, making these testimonies, talking about the supernatural—a lot of it comes from just the—the believers that they—they think it's Hollywood, some of this stuff, right? Which is surprising to me that people don't believe. So how can you fight an enemy you don't even believe exists? Absolutely. You know, so it's one thing—an enemy you don't know, but it's another thing if you don't even know that like demons—a lot of people like, "Ah, no, that's Hollywood," who—you can't be demon-possessed. And, "Oh, yes you can."

But another thing that's interesting, Cheryl, you were talking about kind of this uh—surge, this self—a self-help journey, right? You're talking about Tony Robbins. You're—I think Dr. Joe Dispenza is another big one. All these different paths. It's—it's like to have a truth, but if you start going down that path of—of um—self-help, how much it almost—you kind of enter into new age.

Yep. That's exactly what it leads you to. All of a sudden, you're your own god. You can manifest. It's like the lines get blurred, and you've accumulated all these spirits from a journey of self-help, so to speak.

Yep. Absolutely. And self is the problem, right? When we think we can help ourselves because we don't want to rely on a God. That's the problem. We got to go to God for everything. He has to be our source of help. And well, it's—it's not that people are bad or wrong. They just don't know God, and they don't know God exists. Like so they think that they have to fix all the problems, and eventually you realize you can't fix all your problems. I bet—I just pray and hope that everybody knows that God is real. I just pray and hope that everybody knows that they can trust on—trust and be on God. Is—yeah, that probably comes from not knowing that God is real. That's it. And thank God for praying mothers. Yeah. You know, my mother prayed—my whole family—our whole family was prayed back by my mother and father, but especially mothers. There's something about mothers, you know, when—when they pray, it's like their prayers go extra fast. All of our prayers go to heaven, but their prayers is just like um—but something about a praying mother. And I have this community—online community. We have a lot of people there that have children that stray away—homosexuality, demon-possessed—and it's all these mothers in this community hurting for their children, praying for their children. And I know that every one of them will see their children come back to the Lord.

Mhm. But it's interesting that it's usually the mother that does all the prayer—praying, and it's the case for you. It's the case for me. Powerful stuff.

Well, a lot of times, you know, Cheryl, people ask me like, you know, it's powerful that you—you had this journey, this trajectory, right? You got to know the Lord. And a lot of times people say, "Well, we love the testimony, but it seems like"—and then they lived happily ever after. It's like how—what does life—like—looks—what does like practical Christianity look like going forward for you? What is it like? How do you spend time with the Lord? I'm just curious. What are some things that you would—for example, some—some people struggle spending time with the Lord. What would you tell that person who is struggling? What are some practical things they can do?

Great question, Vlad. Because I didn't have a human trainer, and so the Holy Spirit taught me everything that I know. I didn't have a single human in my world who knew about Jesus and the walk with Christianity. Of course, the classics don't do most of these things that Holy Spirit taught me. So, here's what the Holy Spirit taught me. This is what I did back then. This is what I do right now. He said, "I wake up in the morning, and the first thing I do is I spend time with God," and I generally do 15 minutes of silence where I sit down and I just talk to God and I ask Him all my questions, whatever I need to know. I have to read the Bible every day for 15 minutes after that. And so, I read the Bible for 15 minutes. And after that I would do some—like there's a Bible app where they teach you all a scripture, and there's a little video there, just like a devotional, and I do that. And I would say that spending time alone with God is supremely important. For those people who've read the Bible, they'll know that Jesus said, "When you pray, go into your room, close the door, and your Father who is unseen will hear what you say in silence and in quiet and in private and reward you." So prayer has to be silent. It has to be your time with God. I always tell people, we have a space in our homes for everything. We have a place for eating, a place for sleeping, a place for, you know, recreation, but we don't have a place for God. So, it's very important to set up a small little place, even if it's in your closet. Set that space aside for God. When you get into that room, you will feel different, and you'll connect with God. You'll be in this prayerful state much faster. And I know that God knows what you're doing. Of course, He can see you, and He can see that you are making the effort to make a space for Him. He can see that you're making the effort to take time and spend time with Him. God wants us to sit and talk to Him more than anything else. You know, I—He wants me to tell everybody about Him, which I'm doing. I realize that more than that, He wants me to spend time with Him. Just like we as parents, we want our children to spend time with us. You know, a father wants us to spend time with them. So, it is so important to see it like an act of love, not an act of obligation. Think He's your Father, and He wants to spend time with you. Go and sit with Him in love. You know, just if you can, if you have a church nearby, just go sit when there's no service or anything. Sit in silence. I started to sit in silence for an hour once a week. I take my notebook and I'd say, "Okay, tell me what I need to do." And my whole YouTube channel came from there. Like my guidance, who to talk to, say, how to approach people, who I need to go after next, who should I witness to next? God told me like everything. And He will tell you, but you just need to make time to sit and listen. He wants to talk to us. People say, "Can you hear the voice of God?" Yes, you can. It's all over the Bible. Jesus said, "My sheep, they know My voice." He says that—Jesus is not lying. Jesus is not just making flowery poetic sentences. He means everything that He said. And He said, "My sheep can hear My voice." And He says, "The Holy Spirit, the advocate, the helper who the Father will send in My name will teach you all things." How is He going to teach you if you can't hear Him? He's going to talk to you. We got to know that God talks to us. He's waiting to talk to us. We have to go to Him.

In addition to that, the Holy Spirit taught me about fasting, which I never did my whole life. If I skipped a single meal, I'd get totally, you know, angry, hangry, whatever they call it. Like I would lose my mind if I'd miss some meal. But the Holy Spirit taught me—now part of my spiritual practice every Friday is I fast 24 hours. I have done uh—three whole day—like three days no food fast, and the third day I saw a demon and was able to cast it out in my mind. Um, it's another story, but fasting is super important. I couldn't understand why fasting, and I understand fasting now—why is because you want to say that you are the master of your body, and it is to disconnect this whole thing where your body has control over you. All of our sins are from the body. You know, if you think about it, if it's eating, if it's what we're watching, if it's what we're doing—everything—overeating, alcohol, drugs, fornication—is all in the body. So, we need to disconnect this connection—which—this power, the control that our body has on us. And the way to do it is fasting. So, I've—I realized that I was able to take back control. I fought with so many demons—lust, anger, murderous rage, really all of them—out. I have—praise the Lord. It's a process of sanctification. It's a process of following the Holy Spirit. So if someone wants to know where to start, go sit in silence and talk to God. Read the Bible, not like it's a book, but read it as if it is God talking to you, and sit there before you read and pray and ask the Holy Spirit, "Teach me, help me to understand." Just ask God to open your eyes. He'll open your eyes. And I—I highlight my Bible—like instructions from God, warnings from God, love from God. So it really makes it come alive. It's an active process, not a passive process. So I hope that answers the question.

Oh, that was beautiful. How do you hear God's voice? How do you know it's God talking to you?

Well, it takes a little practice. So, I would always ask, "Why are you asking me to do this?" And when it is the Holy Spirit, He will always give you scripture to back it up. So, He will say, "Because Jesus said this, remember?" So, I remember I was feeling a lot of anger for a certain person, and I couldn't forgive them. And I'd be like, "God, You want me to forgive this person? I hate this person. I can't forgive them. Okay, why should I forgive them?" And then the Holy Spirit said, "Remember what Jesus said? Love your enemies." And then He would say, "Pray for—remember what Jesus said, pray for those who persecute you." And so God will always remind you of scripture. And for this is the reason you need to know the Bible because absolutely, like you said, Vlad, hub—know who's talking to me. And so it's very important to question the instructions you receive. I always question, even now, "Why are You asking me to do that? Why are You asking me to do that?" I ask the Holy Spirit, "Why are You asking me to do that?" Because I want to make sure that it's coming from God. Well, it's coming from God. He will back it up with scripture. And it should generally feel like it's good. It's holy. It's kindness. It's inspired by helping somebody. You know, God's going to give you good advice, which is good for humanity. Good—like Jesus—like Jesus-like characters. That's going to be the guidance, not evil or not causing stress or fear. No.

Beautifully said. Another thing about being possessed, what are some signs for people that uh—you know, just regular—they—they everyday Christians, so to speak? How do you know someone is demon-possessed? Are there signs that you can quickly look at somebody and know, "Wow, this person seriously needs deliverance?"

Yeah. Rage, lust. You know when people say, "I don't know why I did that. I don't know why I did that. Something came over me." These are your signs that there is probably more than just oppression. So there's different degrees of the demon having control over you, babe. And um—possession is very extreme, Vlad. Most people are not possessed, but possession is very obvious as well because they're doing things out of their control. They're saying things that make them look like they're crazy. So you know that's a possession—that has superhuman strength, which I had. I was picking up tables. Wow. These are signs of possession because it's someone else that lives in your body. But that's very extreme, and I think happens much less frequently because the demons don't like to show that they're there. They always hide 'cause they know once they show then somebody's going to get some help, you know, and possibly cast them out. So they don't like to—they don't like to show that they're there. And so yeah, I would say if you see people say, "I don't know why I hit that person. I don't know why I did this, or I just hate what I'm doing, but I'm still doing it,"—no control over their body, no control over, you know, what they're saying. Yeah, anger is so predominant. Like people think anger is part of being human. I was talking to someone today who said it is part of being human. I was like, "No, you can be not angry. Like if you—if you can be with God, and He will teach you, you got to be gentle like doves, and you got to treat people with respect and gentleness, and anger is not good. You don't need to be angry. You be angry with Satan. But with humans, no. Jesus is like, 'Love, love.' No matter what, you love them. If they're killing you, you love them. We forgive them, right?" So yeah, there's like—there's just the behaviors that you can look out for. Of course, the obvious ones are addictions. Addictions are bad. Like drugs, alcohol, they're all open doors. Like the enemy really enters people through drugs and alcohol. I see that now. I used to drink a lot. Like I didn't realize what I was doing back then. But it's open doors—you give them access to yourself, to your body, you know, to your mind—it's really dangerous, and we don't know it.

Wow. You know, something else you were talking about—you were talking about how the enemy uses our gifts that were given to us by God, and He's using it for—for His kingdom. That was the—I think that one hit me the hardest—when He takes our gifts that God gave us to use for His kingdom, and He's taking them. He's not just taking us, He's taking our gifts. And I remember I was talking recently to a pastor. We had—I had a lunch with him, and he

I was talking about abortion. And he was just talking about how each child that was meant to be born in this earth was God's gift to this earth. And each one of those children had a gift to to add, like a piece of a puzzle, right? That helps this this world. And that gift will never be seen in this earth when the child is aborted. And when you said that, it kind of brought that experience. But so he takes your gifts at abortion, right? You know, kids getting aborted, so that the world never sees their gifts, but then regular people that were not aborted. Then he takes their gifts and using them for like through music. You see that a lot in the entertainment industry, musicians, artists of all walks of life. How he's using that gift to manipulate people into the kingdom of darkness. Powerful stuff. But it's interesting. I never connected the the whole self-help industry, you know, the Robin Sharma, Tony Robbins, Dr. Joe Despensza. It just feels like, oh, that's just bettering yourself. What's so what's so bad about that? You know, they're telling me how to set goals, how to attract things into my life. It's so powerful. It's so good. There can't be any evil in that.

Well, clearly that's just a stepping stool. It's a spectrum. And I always say if it's related to habits, if it's related to like tactical stuff like planning or time management, those are good tactical stuff. But it's a spectrum. You see, you start from that, which is like you want to be better at whatever. And then it goes into goal setting, which is kind of like the gray area in between. And then you move into how do you make those goals come true, which is when it takes you into new age. Put up a vision board, visualize the future, and you know, start to create all of this because you are the creator, you know, and so this is how it moves. It's a spectrum from the from the tactical stuff is good. You need it like how to manage your time and how to set up social media, for example, whatever, you know, those things are really really good. How to be more productive. But when it moves down the spectrum, it starts to go into how you can heal your body, how you can heal your mind, how you can create your own reality. And then then you're off into new age. And then you think you are the creator, you are the center of the universe. And that's it. You're down my rabbit hole.

Interesting question. You said there's like a gray area, right, where the goals, you set your goals, right? But then when you take it a step further, you create vision boards and then you're visualizing yourself being there. It seems like some of that could be good. Like, for example, I was an athlete most of my life and visualization was a big key. Visualizing kicking that field goal through the uprights, going for the ball to go through the uprights. It helps your mind see, and seeing is believing. And so I'll give you a quick example. I every year I write down just goals for the year, and it seems like every time I write a goal it comes to pass. So is that evil? So you see that's the gray area. I wouldn't say that it's evil as long as you are giving the ownership of making that come true to God, not to yourself. The place where new age gets this convoluted is that they say that you are looking at your vision board and so you are making it real. You are writing your goals and so you by the fact of writing it is making it come true. In the end, God is holding the pen of all of our lives. So we got to know that whatever we do we submit it to God. I say yeah, God these are my goals. Now you know what my goals are. You make them come true if you want to. So I've given everything to God.

And I think as Christians, we want to set goals and we want to leave it to God. Of course, we need to set goals. We need to know where to go, right? We need to have a direction, but we want to put God in the driver's seat, if that makes sense. Yeah. People perish without vision. But you're right. Um, even even when you um like before a right to set goals, you know, sit down to write the for goals, we would pray, you know, pray and ask God that he would lead us uh lead me to to set the right goals. Interesting stuff. Well, Cheryl, I feel like you shared so much. There's so much detail already. Very powerful. Very powerful testimony. I I only knew half of it. Like on the 15-minute phone call, you shared just very little. And I remember somebody commented like, "Oh, you should hear her whole story. It's powerful." Oh, good. Good. Praise the Lord. Powerful. It It was Well, for everyone watching, Cheryl, can you how if somebody wants to get a hold of you, what's the best way?

Email me. Cheryl at cherylpinto.com. I will email you back. And if you want to check out the YouTube channel, it's the supernatural truth. We have a community. Join the community, get to know you. If you're coming from world religions, any of them. Yeah. Happy to have a chat with you. New age, anything. But email me if there's something you want to talk to me about. Powerful. Well, Cheryl, thank you so much for sharing your journey with us. I appreciate it. Yeah, my pleasure. All glory to Jesus. Amen. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you for watching. I have another video I want you to see. Up next, my friend Robin Cunningham left his body and he saw heaven, hell, and even judgment day. And guess what? It's closer than you think. That video should be coming up on the screen right now. If you don't see it on the screen, check the description below for the link. Until next time, have a great rest of the day. And I look forward to serving you and getting to know you more inside of our free private community over at family.godsvoicea.com. Talk soon. Bye-bye.