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Listen, word. You didn't even let me finish the question because you have to understand that you have to understand the question before you answer it. Something off means there's separation. Still listen. Yes, before I finish my question, you cannot answer. You have to let me finish the question. Yes, I'm trying to explain to you what my question is. If you bear with me for a minute, let me finish the question. The question is this: when I say that the spirit of theâyes, yesâdoes that mean that Spiritâhear me out, man, come on, what's your problemâwhen I say the spirit of the is doing something, is is hovering around in this place, which means that it has separated from me. Okay?
Yes. Are you a different person to the spirit, or you're the same person?
I'm the same.
You're the same.
So you're one person can be spâcan be splitted. I want you toâI want you to follow the question, the line of questioning. So you're a person; is your spirit a different person?
It's the same person.
It's the same person.
Okay, so when the spirit was hovering over the waterâby the way, you know when you read Genesis 1:1, it says the Earth was without formâyes, yesâwhere did the water come from?
What do you mean, if there's no form, where did the water come from? Saying the spirit is hovering over the water, that's what he says. So where did the water come from if thisâif the Earth had no form?
No, no. What is form? What do you understand of form? Doesn't mean there's nothing there, or it's arranged. What does it mean? Read it again. Again, the form is of arrange. It's like everything isâread it again. Theâbecause you missed outâread Genesis 1 again. It says, "In the beginning God created heaven and earth." Yes. "The Earth was without form"âread the next statementâ"and void." Yeah. What doesâwhat do you understand by that void? When you say that, what do you understand by that void?
That means empty.
Simp. So something is without form and void. Where is the water?
What do you mean, where isâbecause the next statement says the spirit was hovering over the water. Read the next statement. "And the spirit of God is hovering on the face of the waters." There's the face of the water. If there's no form and the Earth is completelyâwhat do you understand about form? Don't ask him; ask me. What is the understanding of form? Form means something has a shape; something hasâhas form, like head, my eyes, an object, for example, the ball, a football has a form, which is circular, which is round. Do you agree? If the Earth did not have a form and it did notâno, it doesn't mean a form as there's no physical form. No. What does it mean? It's not arranged; it's like all over the place. It's not form like formulation; there's no formless. It's formless, but he said it's void. It doesn'tâwhat?
Void? Void means the space; it's just empty space. Okay, so it's empty space. So where is the water then?
The water is on theâon the surface of the Earth.
But you said it's completelyâit's the space. You saidâno, the space is void; is different from theâthe ground. Do youâis voidâthis sky isâif something has no shape and it's completely just spaceâno, I haven't yet. I'm going to prâtheâthe sky is void, sir. Yeah, we're talking about something else, not theâthe Oney is void, isn't it? The sky. Okay, when you go in spaceâwait, hear me out; hear me out. You know when you go in space between the Earth and the moon, there is space, right? Yeah. Is there any shape, any form, anything there? Is there anything there?
What do you mean? It'sâwhat sayingâso if there is somethingâwhen you have an empty spaceâwe talk about the Earth; we're talking about the empty space between the Earth and the moonâwould you ever see water floating there in space, in deep space?
Exactly. So where's the Earthâwhere's the water come from? According to Genesis, it's saying the spirit was hovering over the surface of the water. Yes. If there was no object which hadâI said the formâyour mind is like there's no solid ground. I'm saying the formâmind, because that's your interpretation; it's notâthe Bible says it was formless. That means thereâeverything is all over the place; there's no form. You didn't say everything is all over the place; that is you sayingâcheck the meaning of form; check the meaning of void; check the meaningâno, it's not void. You areâyou are question of formâno, I'm sayingâNeoâit's the same. You are question ofânot the same words. The Earth had no form and it was void. What do you understand by that? The same word. Why are you shaking? You just read it; you just read it. Read it again. Read it again, for the third time, maybe you'll understand. Formâare you going to read it aloud, so you don't mind?
Yeah, brother. Brother, calm down. See, read it aloud, bro. "When God began to create Heaven and Earth, the Earth being unformed and void"âsorryâ"the Earth being unformed"âunformed means the Earth wasn't formed yetâarranged? No. Unformed means it wasn't formed yet. Bro, youâyou got to go and take some English lessons. Hly, I don't mean to be condescending here, but at the end of the day, this is a very simple statement which anyone canâwhat the dictionary meaning of formâformâno, look for the formless; look for something that is formless in the dictionary. No, no, unformâunform. Okay, lookâunform, then go on, but not form. It's a simple statement in the Bible which anyone who reads it with sincerity will understand. Theâthe Earth wasn't formed yet, and it was empty, like you said earlier; it was empty like the empty space between the Earth and the moon here. So there isâtwoâone isâwhichâwhich word you're looking for now? Unâunformed. What does it say? There's two explanations here: one is without definite form or shape. Good. She packed the unâthe unformed batter. Okay, is the first one we're talking about? What is unformed batter? Batter? Yeah, yeah. It says that's talking about food, man. Is itâsays some form? Yeah, yeah. So take the first one. What does the first one say by your own dictionary? What does it say? Listen, we are checking the dictionary; we have to finish it, so finish it; don't cut meâgo. Listen, I'm telling him the word form means unarranged, and I'm trying to explain to him what is his question; what is he trying to say. My question is about Genesis 1 now. It says, "She packed the unformed batter"âsomething which has no shape and form. Let me finish. Why did you ignore the first one? Finish. Let me finish. Okay, go on. What is the first one though? Not having developed or being developed fully. Yes, so itâit is my point; it was not properly arranged. No, because the second statement, when he says the Earth was voidâlook for that now. Look forâlook for that word. I said it's unformed. I know, but the second says not fully developed, but what you're doing now isâare you listening?
I am.
Not fully developed. Your understanding of form is wrapped really. Yes, read the first definition again. There's no shâare you going to read the first definition again? Read that. Whyâwhy you ignoring that? Read it, thenâno, you read. I don't have my glasses on. You read. It says, "Without a definite form." Okay, without a definite formâite. Okay, the word isâso when something doesn't have a formâimagine without formâthe word isâthat's fine; that's fine; that's fine. The word definite meansâfine. What means it does definitely have no form? No, no, no. It's like measureâsomething that can be measured. Okay, good. You see, youâit's not honest. The word defâcome down. You see the word defin means itâit's unmeasured. Can Iâwhere you are running away? I'm not running away, by the way. What is this running away all the time? What is this runningâthis guyâfrom my challenge that I understand this guyâfrom my challenge of the Trinity all the time. What is defâdefinite meansâhow many times you going to repeat this? Yeah, because you are getting it out of context. I didn'tâbecause the next statementâcannot be measured. That's it. You know something; it doesn't say there's no shâokay, now look for the word void; look for that wordâvoidâbut now you agreeâno, noâbecause to put them togetherâno, no, no; it's different. What's different? It's different. What is different? Deepâwhat is different? Deep is void. It didn't say that the Earth is unformed. Read it again. Read it again. Listen, for the fourth time: "And God began to create Heaven and Earth, the Earth was being unformed and void." Yes, yes. So it's the same, right? It's the same in the same statement. Yes. Okay, so what does void mean? Void means there's nothingânothingâemptiness. Emptiness. So if something is empty, where did the water come from?
What do you mean, the waterâyou see, I don't like you taking it out of context. I don't likeâagain, I'm putting it in context. It says unformed means it cannot be measured or it's unarranged. Listâunarranged. This is what it says. What does void mean, sir? Like the word saysâunformâmeâcan we agree the word unform means not arranged? Orâno, I don't agree with that. No. Bible definition says unarranged. You brought that up yourself. What the conversation aboutâwhy do you keep interrupting every time? Why do I do that? This is the point he is asking where the Bible says the Holy Spirit exists eternally, and I'm sayingâcreationâit was there, and God created heaven and earth, and he says the spirit was hovering on the deep of theânow listenânow the question isâdo you still need this question? I can talk to one person. I don't like people interrupting unnecessarily. Lâlisten; you listen. Yeah, by the way, God always runs away from my Trinity debate, and he knows thatâwill youâwill you take up the challenge? Not allowing thisâyou never answer anything about Islam. I doâyou are not allowing us to do this. Waitâunformedâyeah, what you say? Okay, it saysâyeahâ"without a definite form or shâ" definite. It's English, and now let's look atâunderstand it. Let's look at the word void. Now, why you afraid to look at that word? Because theâcan you bring up the wordâsomething has no form, and then it'sâit's form, and then it'sânot something that is unformed and void means empty space. Do you agree? Empty space. But the Earth itselfâread word now. The Earth itselfâwhat I say? What does it say? Yeah, uhâ"void." Okay. Yeahâ"completely empty." Yes, yeah. That wasâactingâyes. So if something is completely empty, what shape is it? The Earth is empty doesn't mean the Earth isâwhatâwhat does the Earth empty mean? What isâyou don't know what's Earthâthe one you're standing on. So nowâthank youâso this isâis itâis it onâno, it is formed. How did it form? Howâyesâgo to geography lessons. Ah, seeârâso fâser was there. How can you say f and there's nothing there? That's it. How can you say f? That's what your Bible says. Hello. That's what the Bible says. No, no, no, no, no. Youâit says unformed and void, very clear, sir. It says Heaven and Earth is Creator, sir. Heaven and Earth, which means this Earth was thereâan empty areaâthis what the definition isâan empty area or space. The huge desert void, for example. Desert isâit'sâwhat? Doesn't mean there's noâdoesn't mean there's no land. It's running away. See, running away; running away; running away. And thenâdoes anyone see me running away? I don't run away from this Christian at all or any other. So is there a solid ground in desert? Let me finish. Youâlet me finish. Why do you do that? I'm askingâstop interrupting; let me finish. He says hereâ"an empty area or space." Yes, areaâyeah, it's important thatâcan you keep your mouth shut for a minute while I'm discussing this? Can you do that? I'm sorry to be rude, but you haveâyou have really taken it too far now. Go ahead. It says hereâthe next statement saysâ"The emptiness of outer space." Yes, so thereâwaitâwaitâwhat isâtwoâtwo examplesâone isâso in the context that your Bible is talking about f is thisâwaitâby the way, what does uhâwhat does Genesisâwhich version of the Bible you're using, by the way? Theâwhich one? Theakâthe Jewish themselves. Okay, because you're not a trinitarian; you don'tâyou don't believe in the other Bibles. I believe in Trinity. What are you talking about? So is God a Trinity? Seriously? God exists with the Son and the Holy Spirit. I didn't ask if he's eternal; I asked you is it Trinity? I explain to you they were uncreated; they exist equally for all eternityâfor equally. Yes. So why is the Holy Spirit and the father ignorant of theâtoâif they're equalâthe Holy Spiritâyesâwhere did he say it doesn't knowâin MTHâMark 13:32âthat the Holy Spirit doesn't know? Yes, it says only the fatherâwhat does only the father mean? Say the Son and the angelâno, it says only the father. If there'sâlet's read itâlet's readâI call you a liar if there's no Holy Spirit mentioned there; you are a liar. And if he says only the father, you're a liar. No, no, no, no. Now you a liar. Now I say only the father means what? There's no Holy Spirit mentioned there; you agree? Hold onâagree? Can I agree? Can I talk? There's no Holy Spirit; you agree? Can I talk? There's no Holy Spirit; do you agree? Keep repeatingâno, no; it's a simple question. I will answer, but if you let me talkâdo you agree? Let me answer. Do you agree? I willâI will answer, sir. Do you agree? Ask meâdo you agree? Listen, you can't imposeâyou can't impose your answers on me; it does not work like that with me; maybe with him it doesn'tâdo you want me to answer you if you will not agree what I'm saying? Okay, do you agree it's only the father? I'm sayingâdo you agree it's only the father? Holy Spirit saidâholy spirit. Okay, I willâyou withdraw? I willâno, I don'tâno, I don't withdraw. Was the Holy Spiritâwas the Holy Spirit mentioned? The Holy Spiritâcan I answer without interrupting? Okay, keep quiet for a minute and I'll answer. The holy spirit in that verse is not explicitly mentioned; so you a liar? Can I finish? LiâI said one minute; I said one minute, and you already talking 10 seconds. You know whatâwaitâwaitâwait. You liâyou know who lied here? You said you're going to keep quiet for a minute and you interrupted. No, but the Holy Spiritâand youâI haven't finished; I haven't finished. Okay, now my question to you: does it say only the father? Yes. When he says only the fatherâdoes it include the Holy Spirit? I don't know; he never mentioned there. You goâthat's myânow you answer. When it says only the fatherâhe wants to answer now. Okay, let meâlet me ask someoneâlet me ask someoneâI don't knowâI know everyone hereâit's not mentioned. Why do you want to put your wordâwhy you want to put your word there when it's notâyou know whatâno, noâlet's be honestâno, you're notâhâwhat's your name? You're not honest; yourâyou already saidâhashâHashimâmy name isâI know. When he says the toilet are only for the ladies, does it mean the men onlyâonlyâyou know these guysâsometimes the most basic things they don't understandâlike this guy here, he doesn't want toâthe most basicâlistenâwhy do you listen toâsayingâpleaseâthe father onlyâthe father meansâwhat? He talks for a minute now. Listen carefully: one manâone manâoneâone manâthe Bible says only the father knows the hour. Okay, itâlistenâyeahâclear, and I agree, but then he says it means the holy spirit is parted, but itâeveryone else including the Holy Spirit. Okay, so if you see a new Bibleâif you see another Bibleâwhen they write only the father and the holyâthen you say somebody has corrupted their way. If I say the toilets are only for the ladiesâwhen there's aâwhen there's a sign saying only ladiesâdoes it mean the men can go as well? Does it mean the man can goâonlyâthank you. So when he says only father means what? It doesn't mention Holy Spirit. YouâI saidâadd the wordâyou add to the wordâyou knowâbecause by the definition of the languageâwhen he says fatherânoigâthere's no ambigâonlyâactually, you're right; there isâthat it is only the father. Thank you very much. Didn'tâso what does only father mean? Why are youâwhy are you mentioning hly? Because the word only excludes everyone else except the father. Why did you add the holy spirit? Because I just told youâyou're not listening. Noâwhy did you addâif it's not there? Wrâread by lipsâthe wordâlisten to both of youâif you keep quietâyou listenâyou'll understand. If it says only the father, it means it excludes everyone else including the Holy Spirit. You saidâyou saidâyou saidâsaid Alâonly father means the Holy Spiritânonsenseâsaidâby the way, that is your Bibleâif nonsenseâthat's your problem anyway. These guysâstop aggressiveâstop being aggressiveâstop holding my handâstop holding my hand. I'm going to use thisâI'm going to use this dialogârunning away. I am saying running awayâonly the fatherârunningâonly the fatherâseeârunningâwhere am I running? Onlyâwant you knowâhave you feelâsays onlyâhe ini the holyâand I said noâI did not lieâbecause by implicationâwhen he says only the fatherâokayâwhen he says onlyâlet me ask youâbe sincereâbe sincereâwhen he says only the fatherâthe only God is immortalâdoes it mean you're immortal? No, I'm not. Okay. Are you mentioned in the Bible? Thank you. So by implication of the word onlyâimmortal is God Almightyâit excludes everyone else. Similarly, in Mar 13:32, when he says only the fatherâyou and I are not mentioned thereâthe holy spirit is not mentioned there. Simâjust like the wordâdon't interruptâjust like the wordâwhen he says only God is immortalâyou and I are not mentioned thereâJesus is not mentioned thereâbut we know for a fact by implication only God Almighty can be immortalânone of us canâsimilarlyâwaitâwaitâI will finishâI will finishâsimilarlyâNetworkâin Mark 13:32âwhen it saysâno one knows the hourânot the angels in heavenânot the sonâmeaning Jesus Christâyou agree? So Jesus Christ is ignorant of the hour even though he's fully God according to you. Yeahâno problemâbut it is for himâlet me finish thisâI willâtrust meâwhen he says only the father knows the hourâit excludes everyone elseâthe humansâthe AngelsâJesusâthe Holy Spiritâeveryoneâonly means exclusivityâjust like only moral inâin one Timothyânow the word isâwrâexplicitly sayâjust give me a refillâa b pleaseâit saysâI'm listeningâI'm listeningâ"only the father knows the hour." Thankâhe didn't mention anybody elseâso it is not in yourâif hâyourâyourâI mean your own mindâto add who is part and who is notâit didn't make sâI'm sayingâsayingâit says only the father knows itâhe didn't mention holy spiritâso you are not in a position to say the Holy Spirit doesn'tâso he didn't mention itâhe didn't mentionâsirâsirâhe doesn't know the meaning of only. Are you listening to me? If I say only him and this guy went with meâit does sayâit doesn't say that any other person go with youâyou have to stick to what he says. So at least Jesus is mentionedâthatâIâI think we should move onâbe here all dayâlet's move on. That's fine; you don't want to exclude itâdon't exclude itâbut I knowâand anyone who listens to the wordâ"only the father"âunderstands itâjust like the only one who is immortal is God Almightyâeven though you and I are not mentioned thereâwe know that we can't be immortalâso we can beâaccording to his logicâwe can beâwell, according to godwins maybeâbut this guy is a different guy. Okay, so nowâyeahâI knowâlet's move on now. Now you agree that Jesus didn't know the hour; do you agree? I agree. Alâis Jesus's coal knowledge with the father? Noâhe do the will of the Father; the father gives him hisâlistenâI said one thing is clearâI startâwhen I started with youâI said the Son and the father and the Holy Spirit exist co-equallyâI didn't say they are equalâI said they existânoâyou said they are coalânow you change the dreamâtheâI will not lieâI said they existâI didn't say they are equalâbut that doesn't even make sense. They exist equallyâwhat does it mean? Becauseâare you trying to say they exist eternally? Because exist co-eternally doesn't make senseâeternally. Yes. Okay, say thatâso meâso you agree they are not coal? Yes. You agree they are not co-equal? Whereâgâiâas soon as you foundâknow this guy is not a trinitarianâlike Godâreâhe runs away. That's fine; that's fine. Trinitarianâare you trinitarian? I'm telling youâwhat do you understand by the Trinity? The Trinity simply means the father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one in agreement in whatever is happeningâon whatever God wants doneâthe Son and the Holy Spirit get it done for him. Okay, that's whatâwhen you say one in agreementâthat means they agree about everythingâeverything. Okay, did Jesus agree to die on the cross?
What do you mean, I agree to die? Did he willingly die on the cross?
Yeah, because he said he came not to be saved but to give his life. That was my question. That's what he said.
No, whatâthat's what he said. Okay, in the garden of Gâenemyâwhy is he begging God to save him? He did not beg. What did he do in the garden of GTH? Say, "If it is possible, let this car pass by." He didn't sayânoâbut if they agreed, why should he ask this question? What do you mean? Imagine youâyou agree with your son to go to the gym, then your son will ask you, "Dad, why should we go to the gym?" If he's in total agreement, he wouldn't question you; he would say, "Dad, let's go to the gym." But in this caseâJesusâyou know what he saysâwhat does he say? YeahâI'm wasting my time. Yeah, you seeâare you wasting your time with me? No, noâlistenâwaitâare you wasting your time with me? Saying the questionâyou'reâdon't listen to these guys; they run away; they run away. Listen, I'm going to wrap up now. You know whatâDaniel and this guyâGodâI challenged them openly to debate the Trinity with me, but they run away. Okay, anyway, let's get backâmamâa prophetâdo that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't go by your conditions; I don't go by your conditions; I'm just distâare they distracting you? You are distractingâI'm distracting youâyou keep goingâso they're not distracting you? I'm distracting youâyou are the one leavingâI'mâwow. Okay, that's fine; that's fine. Sincere chrâwhat was I saying? What you were sayingâJesus wentâdied willinglyâbut I'm telling you in the garden of God's enemy, he basically sweats blood. Yes, because he's afraid to go on the cross, and he tellsâ"Take this cup away from me"âwhatâwaitâwaitâwhat? Butâ"Let it be your will be done"âmy willâI knowâbut when he saysâ"Take the cup away from me"âwhat does he mean? He saysâhe made a requestâthatâif it's more than requestâit was pleadingâno, no, noâif it's possibleâyeahâ"Let this cup pass by"âwhat does that mean? What do you meanâbutânoâdon't take it halfwayâbut he didn't stop thereâbackâ"Not by my will"âI already mentioned thatâsorryâdidn't you hear me mention that? Yeahâbutâthatâyou cut it halfwayâno, I didn'tâI mentioned itâhe's still willing to fulfill the father's willâbut why did he ask if the onlyâsirâhe saysâ"Not my will but your"âso the father's will is that he should goâwhich means his will and the father's will are not the sameâhe does the will of the fatherâare youâare you hearing me? He doesn't dieâhe saysâ"I cannot do anything"âGod is afraid that you mightâyou might say something that mightâ
Embarrass him. Call you. Yeah. Godin, run away. Bye. You're the weakest. Name. Bye-bye. Okay. Now get back to the conversation. So when Jesus says, "No, no, wait, wait," when he when he says, "Take the cup away from me," can you please explain what that means?
I'm coming. One. I have to explain to you that Jesus, throughout his ministry, he said, "I am not here at my own will but to do the will of the one who sent me." Yes, I age with that. So that Miss so that mission has to be met, and God's decree cannot be changed. So what was his Miss? Listen, listen. What was his his mission? Is that he come and die on the cross. That miss that is that's fine. That's fine. I AG I agree. I'm agreeing with you. Look. So that was his main mission. Now, so that is the will of the Father. Okay. So when he makes his own will as a request, what was his will? He says, "If it is possible," what is possible? "If it is possible," what is possible? Listen, listen. If what is possible, Father, if it is possible, what is it possible? Are you listening?
Yeah, I'm trying to understand what because I'm staying what he say, "If it's possible, let this cup pass by." And what does that mean? Now he ended up by saying, "But not my will, but your..." You please explain before you go. Let me explain. Your will be done. Me. Whatever his will is is not relevant. You know, you know what you have done. Whatever his will is, you are the whole you the whole statement from Jesus: "Submit to God, let your will be done." So my will is not Rel... Can you please explain the first half of that statement? It's an FK statement. You can't cut it half. I didn't cut it enough. Enough. I said explain the first bit, then explain the second bit. Be explain without the last bit. Okay, I did not say avoid the last bit. I said explain what it means. "Take the cup away from me." He says, "Father, if it's possible, let this cup pass by." Okay, what does that mean? "But not my will, your..." What does it mean? The bit about the cup. What does it mean? The suffering. Yes. What suffering? Explain it to me. The beating, the nailing on the cross. Everything. Was that his mission? Yes. Did Jesus know that was his mission? He knows that his main mission... It's part of... Why does he want to find a different way? He didn't. He said because he still asks the Father's will to be done, even no the end. What is the point of questioning now? What is the point of questioning? I am... Yeah, the Father sent you, right? And then you are making a request, and you still insist that if it's not possible, your will be done. It's more of submission, you know, like the way I the the example I gave you about the Father and the son want to go to the gym. If the Father tells the son, "Yeah, you and I we have to go to the gym," yes, and the son instead of just agreeing and submitting to what the Father said, he agreed... Can I finish the question on the way? You know you always do this every time I'm asking a question, trying to explain the way... Look, my analogy, I'll say the way I want it, please. Okay. So when he says you have to go to the gym, yes, instead of, you know what submission would mean? Submission would mean the Father's request will be obeyed by the son unquestionably. Yeah. That is called total submission. Yeah, to the will Father of the requestor here, which is the Father in this case. Now wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It's a request. Why will you not let me finish? Why you put question there? Why will you not let me finish? Can you let me finish the analogy? I'm not talking about Jesus here. I'm giving analogy. It has to match with what we are what we are discussing. I will give the analogy the way I want, not the way you want. Is that okay? The cont... So now now the question, the context is very similar if you let me finish, you'll realize it. Okay. So please don't interrupt me this time. When the son instead of submitting to the Father's request to go to the gym, yes, he turns back to the Father, and he says, "Father, can we please not go to the gym and go somewhere else?" But I en finished yet. M. Yes. When he asks this question, don't tell me how to finish my analogy. You say the analogy, the Bible, you say about the gym and the Father... Go on. You say... Okay. It says, "Father, is it possible that we don't go to the gym, but we go to the swimming pool?" Right. But if you still insist, I'm going with you. That's it. Okay. If you still insist, would you call that total submission? Yes? Or you calling it questioning? No. The request. It's a request. It's not questioning. When you make a request, it doesn't question. Request can be question? No, no. It's not. It's not. Anyway, look, look. You're making it hard and necessary. Okay. So Jesus knew this was his mission. Questiones and request. Jesus, by the way, you know what Jesus did? Yes. What did he? He fell down on his forehead. Yes. And he prayed to God when he made this request. And did he get up and do... So it wasn't just a simple... Did he get up and do that? When did I say he did that? I said he frustrated. Don't and get up and did that as well. When did I say that? Why you bringing up things? Because you... Why are you bringing up things? Did I say he's doing the Salah like the Muslims though? Why is he saying he did that? Because that's what the Bible says. Why? That's what the Bible says. He on his face. He fell on his face. No, I'm asking you why you why you always complicate things. I want to know. Let me... I tell you what. I will let you speculate the way you want. I will tell you what the Bible says. The Bible says he fell on his forehead on the ground. Yes. And that to me is a frustration. Whether he was flat on the earth or not, it wasn't a simple request like, "God, can you please take the cup away from me?" No. He actually submitted totally on the earth with his forehead on the ground, and then he prayed to God. And you know what, at that time, was he sweating blood? Yes. He was sweating blood. So he was in full agony. Yes. And this agonizing nature of the one who is one with God, according to them, is now asking the question to God, basically's telling him, "Take this cup away from me. Let It Be Your Will be done, not my will." I want to ask a question. I didn't cut it as I said. Anybody here believe in God? Do we question God or we make request to God as a Believer? It's the same thing. Semantics. Do we question him of what he does or we request that he does? By the way, remember he's one with God, so he shouldn't be asking him. No, no. Because he was requesting to God that if it's possible, that is the request. If it's possible, let this... But let it not be my way. But I agree with you. Make a request. It's not questioning. In fact, by the way, it's pleading. It's more than requesting and questioning. It's pleading. Pleading request the same? No, it's not the same. Request, pleading is not the same as request. You plead you somebody. It's a request. Plead means you beg someone. What are you pleading for? It means you're begging someone to do what? To do something. And you're earnestly begging someone to do something for you. That's called pleading word pleading. Yeah. And requesting, it's not the same. Yes. It has the same meaning, really? Yes. I plead with you. So if I request you to give me some water, is that pleading for you to give me water? I give you water, sir. You know there's a problem with him, man. This guy doesn't look at the diction. Okay. Anyway, listen, listen. You cannot change the fact that he submitted 100% the will of God. I agree with you. So I don't know. He submits the question. Question? No, no. My question was very simple. If this was his main mission, he shouldn't be asking that. Leing. Requesting. All questioning. A son request Father to help. Possible was his request. Wait. Was his request granted? No. What does it tell you? His prayer was rejected. He says... Why was his prayer rejected? The will of the Father was carried out. So his prayer was rejected. What do you mean rejected? What was Jesus's prayer? It's a request. A request. Okay. What was his request? His request is that he should let the car pass away. Was the cup passed away? No. So his his request was rejected. Because he said... No. Because he said the he realize it is two aspect. I. He said, "If it's possible, let it pass, but if it's not, I submit." So God say, "Okay, if you submit, then I I..." So it's two requests. No, not two request. Two. One is either you let me let it pass or the second one is you carry it out. So it's two request. Okay. Should I tell you why it's not to request? Should I tell you why it's not to request? But I want you to be quiet without interrupting because you always do that. I don't know why. When when you pray to God, yes, don't you automatically imply that it is his will, not your will? That's without you saying those words. Look. For example, say, for example, someone doesn't have a child, yes, and they are begging God, pleading with God, praying to God, requesting God, whatever word you want to use, yes, "Bless me with a child." That woman did not say, "Let It Be Your Will Not My will," but this by the request or by the pleading or by the prayer is cried already that she has full faith in God who will either Grant her the prayer or Grant her something better or something else in in his place. Whatever it is, but the important thing is whatever it is, it goes without saying. Even if Jesus did not say, "Let It Be Your Will be done," sorry, "Let It Be Your Will Not My will," even if you did not say, the point remains that his request was to save him from the crucifixion. Now that request of his, was it rejected? Okay. What, like I said, one is, "If it's possible, let it pass. If it's not, then will be done." Two requests. What is the first request? The first one says, "If it's possible..." Well, you forgot the one about "Take the cup away from..." That was the first request. So is that one request? That's one request. And the second is, "If not, let your way be done." So which of these two requests? Answer the second one. And what about the first one? Yeah, you answered the second one. No, I know the second one. You answered. What was the first one? The first one. Guys, guys, please. The first one is the cup should pass. Did he accept or reject the first request? He reject the first. He he... What? Rejected. Rejected. So you're saying Jesus... He says, "When I decree, you cannot change it." He decree. Jesus cannot pray to change. That's fine. How can God's prayer be rejected? Yeah, you can go back a bit. How can God's prayer be rejected? According you... Jesus... I say he... God... You are saying he's God. You said you believe in the Trinity. Yeah. But I didn't say he's God. So you don't believe Jesus fully God. He said he exist with the Father. He didn't say he's God. In fact, your understanding of the Trinity is completely W. What is the meaning of Trinity? Look. Your understanding of the Trinity is completely W. You should know that as a Christian. Three in unity. Simple. So in unity. In what unity? In what? In in Authority? In purpose only. In purpose. Yes. That would include you as well. So are you part of the... See, Father, just as I am in you and you are in me. So they are in me. So you agree with me and the are the Muslims that Jesus is not God? What do you mean he not God? Which part of that you didn't understand? You cannot say he's God or not God. He say he he was not created. Are you now saying not created? That wasn't my question. Okay. Is the Father God? Yes. You see how quickly you answered that. Now the same question: Is the Son God? No. Good. The Son is not God. Is the Holy Spirit... So how many gods have you got? It's not God. You just said his own... You just said the spirit of God is God. Spirit of God also the Holy Spirit and the Father are the same? No. It lives in you. It lives in you. Are you... Tell it says the spirit will emanate from the Father, which means it resides in him. He sent it out. So it's it's something that... You see, you the mistake you are doing here is you are comparing yourself as a human being to spirit being. God. Actually, I didn't compare to God. All you think... I don't know where you get that from. Your mind is like that. It's a human... You know what's in my mind. It's human thinking. God send the spirit out. Yes. God send the spirit. Are you telling me that the Father he send the spirit, he send the way... So all emate from him? Are you seriously telling me that the Father is the holy... God is God. The word, the spirit of God is God. Okay. Let me ask you this that it's emate from him. You said the Holy Spirit is God. Is that right? Do you agree with that? Yeah. You're completely certain. Does the Holy Spirit need permission to talk? What do you mean permission to talk? Does God need permission to talk? What do you mean permission? You know what permission means? You want me to open the dictory every time I said to you... Desperate and the Son, that's the bding of the Father. Does the Holy Spirit... So they take authority from the Father. Does God need permission to speak? Why do you mean God has permission? Which part of that English you don't understand? Expain. Do you understand the meaning of God? Do you understand the meaning of permission? Do you understand the mean... You're holding me again. Stop doing that. I don't want you to hold me. Please don't touch me. If I cannot touch you, then we should stop discussing. No, you don't have to touch each other to... Because it's more a cordial thing. There's nothing wrong with that. Well, I don't like it. If if you mind, if you don't mind, don't touch me, please. Okay. Anyway, this is simple. Moving on. I've already told you what the Holy Spirit and the the Son, that's the will of the Father. So they don't do their own will. So if you want to put... Can God need permission to... What are you talking about? It's a simple question. Are you able to answer or not? They only do the bidding of the Father. Does simp... Does God need permission to speak? I don't know.