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All right. Uh, Mr. President, Congresswoman Nancy Mace from South Carolina. Thank you for being here with us for hours today. I know it's been a long day and I know that we're going to wrap up soon for you.
Um, did you know one of the witnesses who testified in the Epstein cases that Epstein said uh, you quote like them young. Why would Epstein say that about you?
>> Are you asking his opinion?
>> You're asking him to think about why Mr. Epstein would say something about why would Epste say that about
>> She's asking him to try to be in Mr. Mr. Epste's mind and guess at what Mr. Epste would have thought about Clinton likes them young referring to girls.
>> First of all,
>> that's not true.
>> What's not true?
>> That I have any interest in underage?
>> I didn't say underage. I said I said young.
>> But it's still not true. Is an intern young?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> At my age, anybody younger than I am.
>> Did you know Jeffrey Epstein instructed a witness to deny you were ever on his island?
>> He didn't have to since I was never there.
>> Did you ever uh travel to Zoro Ranch?
>> Is that the one in New Mexico?
>> Yes.
>> No.
>> Okay. Have you ever flown on anyone else's private jet 26 times or more for overseas trips?
I have flown as many miles on other jets, but never with as many stops.
>> How many other people's planes have you used like Epstein 26 times or miles etc.
>> I don't know. I did with Steve Beam who's now deceased and probably with four or five others.
>> Okay.
>> So maybe about a half dozen billionaires total. So,
>> um, how many dinners did you have with, uh, Gla Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein in attendance?
>> She's asking to the best of your recollection.
>> I have no idea.
>> Okay. Did you ever discuss sexual misconduct allegations made against you with Epste or Maxwell?
>> Never.
>> Did Epstein or Maxwell ever offer to help manage or silence women who made sexual misconduct allegations against you?
>> No. Did Epstein or Maxwell ever offer financial support directly or indirectly to legal defense funds related to impeachment proceedings or civil actions against you?
>> Not to my knowledge.
>> Do you think a young girl massaging a president is unusual?
>> So are you asking his opinion?
>> Well, he was massaged by a young woman. I'm asking if he thinks it's unusual that a president sitting president of the United States leader of the free world that it'sual. Are you speaking to are you talking to the the instance of the
>> unusual the back massage that occurred while he was not president? I'm just trying to understand. You said a president of the United States.
>> Former president.
>> Thank you. Just trying to make sure we're correcting the time.
>> No, I don't need to. I'm actually trying to make sure that as you
>> clear he said he said he was a sitting president.
>> Excuse me. Could we just please go one at a time? Thank you.
>> You said a sitting president. I want you to be clear so that when he answers you sitting president do it. Is it unusual?
>> Objection.
>> I have no idea if it's unusual.
>> Objection calls for speculation.
>> I figured. Do you ever uh did you ever think that all these women around Jeffrey Epstein or Gillang Maxwell was odd, unusual, weird, or creepy?
>> There weren't all that many around when I was there.
>> How many would you say is all not all that many? I think on this big plane that was working long hours, having two to four people on there, I thought was, as far as I knew, they were all helping
>> flight attendants and tank tops and jeans, right?
>> No.
>> Do you believe you were a victim of a Jeffrey Epstein intel operation? Do you think that you might have been like caught up in some of what he was maybe potentially doing?
>> Excuse me, Congress. Which question are you asking?
>> I'm asking intel operation.
>> First of all, I don't
>> some type of intel operation. I'm just curious because it's been speculated on today and yesterday that he may have been an intel asset. Do you think perhaps knowing what we know now, uh, the proclivity of it all that he may have been targeting you as part of an intel operation?
>> I doubt it.
>> Okay. Um, in 2019 you stated after he was arrested, I guess this would be the second time, you stated you knew nothing of Epstein's quote terrible crime since you only met quote briefly on only quote two occasions. Was this statement false?
>> Excuse me. Congress accurate. Can you please share us?
>> Yes. Um, in 2019 is reported by the media.
>> Which media?
>> Um, this says this is the
>> Could you share a copy of it, please?
>> Okay. Daily Beast. It says uh the title of this is Bill Clinton failed to mention his intimate 1995 dinner with Epstein.
>> We can give council on the witness a moment to review the exhibit.
>> Well, we'd like the statement. I mean, he put out in 2019 full statement
>> and it will be marked exhibit 202.
>> So, to be clear, your your your the basis of your question is a news article with respect to the Daily Beast as to a dinner. Is that accurate?
>> Nope. It's uh a question in the first paragraph which reads, "Hours after Jeffrey Epstein was arraigned Monday on several sex trafficking charges, former President Bill Clinton publicly downplayed his relationship with the pedophile Finance CA, saying he knew nothing of his terrible crime since they only met briefly on two occasions
>> and that's in the Daily Beast,
>> which is in your hand right now."
>> Right. That's what I just said.
>> Thank you.
>> Well, what would you like to know?
>> So, my question is, you stated you'd only met Jeffrey Epste in 2019. You said you'd only met him on two occasions. Was this statement false when you made it?
>> To be clear, this is a news reporting that is saying that that's what
>> did you make this statement in 2019?
>> Would you put in the statement that he made? This is a news report. Okay. Double hearsay.
>> Did you No. Did you make this statement in 2019 as reported by the media?
>> So you're asking whether or not he made a statement to the Daily Beast?
>> Nope. To It says quote. It's quoting him or his office, etc. Are you denying you made this statement?
>> It's quoting a sentence. If you put in the entire statement, that's all we ask. To be fair, give him the statement, not somebody's report on it. I have no idea what the Daily Beast take is.
>> There was a statement that was released that was broader than this, and they relied on only a portion of it.
>> They relied on only a portion of his full statement.
>> And that's the portion I'm focusing on. He said, "I believe with Jeff."
>> So, it's actually a misrepresentation of his entire statement.
>> Well, can you let your client answer the question?
>> Well, can you ask it in a way that would make it clear that what you were actually asking clear? His statement said he question of what did he say?
>> He said he briefly met with him only on two occas.
>> Would you like to provide it to this committee?
>> We're happily provide that committee.
>> Okay. I would like to ask the president this question. Was that a false statement that you made in 2019 that he only met with Jeffrey Epste briefly on two occasions?
>> Object to the basis of this question. You say you're asking him about a news article, not the statement he made.
>> Quoting him. It's quoting the president of the United States. Are you denying Are you denying the president made the statement?
>> I'm I'm telling
>> Are you denying he made the statement? I want to know.
>> No, I'm telling you that the president made a full state. You are selecting a piece of it. Let Let's put in the entire statement he made.
>> I wasn't uh in federal office in 2019. I was not a part of this committee. I was a state house rep from Goose Creek, South Carolina. And I'm quoting open sources that I have to the best of my knowledge. I'm not rich with a bunch of attorneys. Okay? I'm doing the best that I can get the to get the information I can. And I'm asking if the president was telling a lie in 2019 when he stated to the public he'd only met with Jeffrey Epste on two occasions. He did not say to the public, Congress, let me be clear. Not asking about your right to ask him any question, but don't do it on the basis of a news article. The news article is quoting his statement.
>> So, is a news article lying? Is a news article false?
>> It's it it's false if you take it to me what you say, which the statement did not do.
>> Do you understand English? Serious?
>> I think I do. I'm not from South Carolina, but I think I do.
>> Did you make a statement, Mr. President, in 2019 that you only met with Jeffrey Epstein twice?
>> That that
>> I'm asking question a different way.
>> I have no idea. But I think that when I answer that, I don't believe I remembered anything about meeting him in 1995.
>> So when making a statement about Jeffrey Epstein in 2019, would you have checked with your staff on maybe White House logs about the 17 times he visited, dinners you had with him, fundraising uh that you did with him, fundraising dinners he was it on? Uh you were on his flights 26 times. Would you have checked with your staff before making such a statement or would you just What what statement are you talking about? Are you talking about the entire statement that he made in 2019?
>> Can I just ask you for Can I ask you for the record?
>> Miss M, can I ask you for the record? Can you read the article into the record, please?
>> I'm not going to read the article into the record.
>> Well, Miss M, you are indicating that this article misrepresents a piece from anybody to read an article into the record. I'm not going to do that. You've not done that on You're not in charge of me. I am quoting from
>> I'm not seeking to be in charge of you. Believe me, that is something I would not at all. Don't even try seek to be. So I I want to be respectful, but I am asking if you're asking him to speak to this, can you please put the entire
>> article in the record?
>> The entire article is in the record as an exhibit. What exhibit number is this?
>> 22.
>> 22.
>> And yet, counselor,
>> it's already in the record clarified
>> to reflect only the small portion of the larger statement. to whatever extent the witness is able to answer to his recollection of that portion of the statement and any preparation that occurred to make that statement.
>> So in other words, what you have just articulated that the questions been clarified by Miss Mace or by you that what is intended is to actually only be speaking to the selected piece out of the entire statement that was released by the president's office. Is that what you're clarifying?
>> That's what I'm focused on. Yes.
>> Okay. So if you read this, I've been you really want to know is if I was at a dinner.
>> No, I don't. My question was
>> No, sir. Dave,
>> no sir, I'm not asking about that dinner. Um, I'm asking about the statement at the beginning of the article. I would like to ask another question. Your statement in 2019 about only meeting with Jeffrey Epstein on two occasions briefly. That is not a correct. I'm going to object to that characterization. That is not what the statement says. You're reading the Daily Kickstarter, which is a leftist rag. By the way, on the third paragraph down, it says in his Monday statement, Clinton said he had only quote one meeting with Epste in his Harlem office in 2002 and around the same time made one brief visit to Epstein's New York apartment with a staff member and his security detail. Those are the two addition to the Daily Beast. Bill Clinton failed to mention his intimate dinner 1995 dinner with Epstein. That's by Par Melendez on the 11th of July 2019.
>> All right, Mr. President,
>> uh, your statement saying, you know, only met with Epstein briefly twice. Was that part of an effort to cover up your close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? Correct.
>> Object to the form of the question misstates the record.
>> She's asking if you were trying to mis um mislead the public.
>> Oh, no.
>> Okay. How many times did Billy Maxwell visit your home in Chapel Brock?
>> I have no idea
>> who invited her.
>> Well, I don't know. I don't know how she may have been,
>> Mr. President. That's it.
>> Okay.
>> Hillary had political events there.
>> Okay. Um, so is it in your uh is it to your knowledge was that was she at your home in Chapua likely because your wife had her open for Senate events? That's what you testified earlier today. Correct. That's not when he testified, but please ask the question as to what he would actually Thank you. I appreciate that.
>> I do not know. But if you are implying the reverse, I will volunteer something.
>> She was never at my house in Chapaqua for any personal reasons.
>> I didn't I didn't I didn't say anything for anything personal.
>> No, you didn't. But you have a great tone in your voice and you're very good at that's just
>> Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment. I am a compliment. Thank you. And I did not go to Y Law School or any law school for that matter. Um, so yesterday your wife testified uh that Gain Maxwell was never at her home and I believe you stated earlier today you thought if she was over there would be for Senate events. So would was your wife falsely testifying yesterday of his wife's testimony yesterday. So unless you all are going to provide the transcript or you're going to actually provide that information, he's not a position where he could address.
>> I believe all I said was that I didn't know
>> okay
>> what she had done. Um, you said you said you po you you postured that maybe it was uh for her Senate. I'm gonna have one last question, Mr. Chairman, and then and then you may take you'll take over. Um, I believe you stated today on around and I know it's been a number of years on around 2008. You ended uh or before that ended your any communication with Jeffrey Epstein, correct? Around the time you got arrested or right beforehand. Um and he was arrested for um uh child sexual prostitution or you hiring girls for sex or one girl for sex, right? Roughly child sexual uh exploitation. If um if you were aware in 2008 that Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with kids um and you knew of his close association with Gain Maxwell, why would you still associate with Gain Maxwell who you dubbed essentially like your Doug Band? Your she was the body man to Epstein. Doug Ban was the body man to you. And why would you allow Gain Maxwell to associate with your daughter up until I don't 2004 2015? You knew he was a bad guy. Why would you allow your daughter
>> Excuse me. What's the period in which you're saying he would have known that Jeffrey Epstein
>> after 2008. So up until Gain Maxwell was involved with CGI until what 2015 and we we confirmed today that he had a dinner with Gla Maxwell in LA in 2014. So he's still hanging out with a close associate the closest associate to convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
>> But Excuse me.
>> I guess my question is why?
>> Yes. The the question Excuse me. Is the question why John William Maxwell came to the wedding? Is that the question?
>> No, that was I didn't even bring up the wedding.
>> Why are you about this game? Why are you putting words in my mouth? You're smarter than that.
>> No. No.
>> Thank you. I think first of all when the wedding occurred she was with Ted White and she was for several more years. We did not know when Epstein was arrested that she was still involved with him.
>> I think that clears a lot of this up. We didn't know
>> and I don't want all of you to get We're all getting in a ladder. There's a logical explanation. We didn't know.
>> And
>> I'm sorry for what she did and what she allowed her life to become. And now she's living with it.
>> And I have one final short question. I promise I'm done. I was severely and heavily duped by an individual in my life about two and a half years ago. It's very publicly well known. Uh you graduated from Georgetown and Yale. Correct.
>> Yeah. How do you think Galain Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein dupe so many powerful and smart people uh fully connected powerful people all around the world?
>> I really don't know but I don't know. I've thought about a lot president
>> and if you can figure it out I'd like to know but
>> thank you Mr. President and Mr. Chairman. I yield back. point of privilege.
>> I would like to say since you made a great deal out of all this Ivy League stuff, I am also the last president ever to live in a place without indoor plumbing. There's a full statement which we'll be happy to provide for the record that it might be that Representative Mace is unaware of, but the full statement says President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epson pleaded guilty to. Florida some years ago or those with which he's recently been charged in 2002. In 2003, President Clinton took a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane, one to Europe, one to Asia, two to Africa, which included stops in connection with the work of the Clinton Foundation staff and supporters. Secret Service detail traveled with him on his lip on his trips. He had one meeting with Epstein in his Harlem office 2002 around the same time he made a brief visit to New York. That was the full statement. Ms. Mace was selecting portions out of the statement or relying on an article which only shows certain portions of the full statement.
>> Let's go. Miss Luna from