Inside Utah’s Creepiest Celebrity House The Altar Room Exposed!

You know, I love Jesus so much. He's gotten me through all of this. And I wanted to also touch base on so here we have this idea of like what Satan does with these altars. And like what is the altar like of Jehovah? Um, and to me it's it's coming to him, having a relationship with him, putting my brokenness on the altar, and telling him like, I want I want to be healed, and just coming to him, being his lamb, his his child of God, and being healed, kneeling at his feet. Um, his atoning grace and love.

All right, guys. Here's a picture of creepiest house I've ever been in. This house was built by a very, very famous Utah celebrity. I call this a altar room. I'm going to be doing a video diving more into what this house was, what this room was used for. I'm hoping to have it finished up later today or tomorrow. Um, but now going down this uh spiritual path when I went through this house, it was probably this back in 2020, I didn't really know what I was seeing. All I knew is this house just made me feel sick for some reason. Like I I did not feel good being in there. I felt super creepy. There were a whole bunch of just really weird things in this house that I didn't understand. Uh but now going down this path, um I I more fully understand what was going on in the house. Uh anyways, I'll be posting that later on today hopefully or maybe tomorrow.

Stay tuned and welcome back to We Are the People. This is your host Jason Preston and uh today is uh July 8th. It's been a very wild week. Uh we had uh apparently uh these guys are are uh there is no they're not going to bring forward the Epstein client list. Um Pam Bondi is failing us there as and Trump is if you've seen I'm sure have seen by now is saying it's no longer important. Uh we've seen what's happened with Pete Diddy. Uh we've seen what's happened recently with uh David Hamlin and uh him again, you know, getting away scotch-free. And this is why we do this this show and this podcast. And it's really not about a podcast. This is why we fight this fight is because what we know is there is corruption across this country, you know, from from you know, Pizzagate, all these issues we've been talking about. And corruption grows in darkness. And the only hope I have is not for politicians or judges or the judicial system. It's for you and it's for the the people to wake up and to demand justice.

Um we've had of you've probably aware of uh Brent Henry. Uh he's the um bro he's a broker and owner of Simple Choice Real Estate. He had a a few reels that went viral in the past uh I think what about two weeks. Yeah. Two weeks. and and I saw it and I was like, "Wow, we've got to get this guy on our show." Uh, so we're gonna be talking to him today. We're going to talk about his his his reels. We're going to show them to you. We're going to show you what he saw. And then we're also going to have an in one of our an incredible not only survivor, but an advocate for people in ritual abuse. Ashley Smith, we've had her on her show several times. Uh she's going to come on. She's going to talk about her experience. It's not only her experience, but she's had an incredible when we when we decided to do this show, she said, you know, I'm going to share my experience, but I'm also going to reach out to some other survivors and share, if they're willing, share some of their stories about how these altars are used. So we have got a incredible story to share um today and I'm very thankful for these two brave people to come on and talk about it because as we've seen um you know and that's why I appreciate all of you who have come on and spoken and those of you who are sharing and commenting because they don't want this talked about and and again it's isn't it funny that we're the ones who were under attack and threat being sued and literally being sued. over $40,000 into a lawsuit talking about this stuff, but yet there is no consequence for those who engage in these, you know, grotesque things across the country. So, you know, our faith is in you. Uh, please go to our website, we are the people.org. You'll see it's the new website. Uh, sign up for the newsletter so that, you know, if if these guys try to cancel us, we can continue to get your cont get you uh the content to you.

Um, with that being said, Brett, uh, welcome to the show. Oh, you've been in real estate for 20 years. Is that right? That's correct. Okay. Born and raised Utah County. Yep. And uh where can people find you? Uh they can find me on Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok. I'm the bearded realtor Utah. So Okay. So excited to talk to you. And Ashley, welcome back. Jason, it's good to be back. Yeah, you have been uh you have just gotten I mean you've just full gone full speed ahead of this just Yeah, just embracing it and and uh just accepting this calling and Well, tell us about that. Same for you. Yeah. It's been really great to work with you and I don't know lead this fight together. Yeah. Be advocates for the survivors and give them a voice. They need to be heard. Yeah. Well, you're very articulate and you you've you've done a great job and we're proud of you and grateful for you and we're grateful for, you know, all of those sireers who have been, you know, not only those who've been willing to come on the show and talk, but even those who've just talked to us offline and help us understand, you know, the the greater picture. And I will tell you, we have talked to many, many incredible, incredible people. And I will tell you this, um, you know, Alexi, I knew this stuff was real. We believe it enough to be willing to take this lawsuit on. And since we took that lawsuit, it is one of the great greatest gifts has been getting to know some of these incredible, incredible warrior women and men who have been through these unthinkable things and seen things that um, I mean, it's it's almost hard to even put into words what these people have experienced. But but I will say this. Here's one of the cool things, you know, Ashley, and and and to and just, you know, Alex and I went through some very, very difficult times and very difficult lows and really, you know, that's why the the whole show went offline for over a month. Um, but the coolest thing was some of the survivors. Um, it was the ironic thing was they were the ones that that helped pull me out of the darkness that Alexi and I were found ourselves in. And I just came to realize that when you go through this type of, you know, abuse, uh, this horrific levels of abuse, one, either you become, you know, entrapped in it and you continue it on to the next generation, which has happens to probably the majority, or two, it breaks you in levels you can't cope, or three, you find spiritual power at a level that and gifts and you become an incredible warrior of light. And I really think as we move forward into what I believe are some very dark days coming um that some of the most powerful warriors in in God's army are some of these survivors that have seen the most that who's literally seen into the depths of hell and come out of it and that has given them power and gifts that that I think uh I I will show you some most incredible incredible people including this little special lady Mary Beth and she knows I think the world of her. She's been very great powerhouse and appreciate her. So anyways, enough about that. Although it's it's important to state that and it's not something to take lightly.

So, um, wow, Brett. Uh, you've been on a freaking journey. Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, the last couple weeks have definitely been eye opening. Um, you know, back when I went through this house in in, uh, 2020, you know, it was I was just showing a client a a property that was getting foreclosed on. and we thought, "Okay, we might go buy it and fix it up, flip it, maybe move into it." Um, and the second we walked in, it was just like your stomach dropped and you're just like, "What the hell is in here?" Like, "Why why do I feel this way walking into a house?" So, you felt that just going into the And and this was back, I guess, like I' I've I would say spiritually awakened the last two years, but this is way before that. And just even not knowing anything, walking in there, I was just like, "Something's wrong here." And the further and further you went in the house, the worse and worse the feeling got. And then finally we got down in the basement where we, you know, we walked through a sauna room and then through this big shower room, which I'm like, this is a really weird room. And then finally into this room that I labeled the altar room and like you just, you know, just awful things happened in there. You you you can't you can't prove it, but you can feel it. You can feel it. So, at the time, had you heard anything of of rit, you know, church, ritualistic abuse? No. So, so you didn't know anything about that? I was born and raised in Utah County and and I I had no clue. No clue. Wasn't even on my radar. Okay. Uh the video that we played at the beginning, uh did that show the the whole um did that did that show the whole layout? Yes, it had two pictures and it's pretty much one from when you walked in the door and what you saw was the altar is what I called it and then a seating area on the other side later on. So that showed the entire room. Okay. So it seems like um most people's first thought would would not go to this is an altar. Um fact we you know a lot of people would probably think maybe this is a Turkish bath. What what was it that made you again, especially someone who hadn't even didn't even know about this world that we've found ourselves in? So, what was it that kind of led you to Well, I was the best person at rationalizing things. And so, I'm like, "Okay, there's got there's got to be an explanation for this." So, we're like, "Oh, this is a cool steam room or whatever." And so, I'm like, "Oh, yeah. This is like got to be a massage table or something." So, I went to try to lay on it. Well, my head was hanging off one end and my feet were hanging off the other end. And like the room, I mean, I'm 6'3. I the the room's not much bigger than that. And so I'm like this this is odd because like one nobody's gonna lay on a tiled table. Like that's not comfortable to get a massage. And two, like it's way too short to be a massage table. So what the hell is it used for? And then the other we really weird part is there were two um and there weren't cameras there, but there are two mounts for cameras with audio audio video cables coming out of the ceiling. And I'm and that was other weird thing. I'm like what what would they be recording in here? this this doesn't make any sense. But again, I was a person who's just trying to justify. I'm like, it's rich people doing rich people things. Like, I I I don't know. So, I'm actually kind of terrified to say or post anything more about this alter house. Uh, over the last 24 hours, I've had three types of direct messages, and I've had a ton of them. One is from people who know exactly whose house this is and what that room is. Two is from people who have messaged me saying they've been investigating satanic ritual abuse in Utah for years and have a whole bunch of questions for me. I don't even know what this was until 24 hours ago. I'd never even heard of that. And then the third type of message, which is the one that's really, I guess, caught me off guard, is the messages from ghost accounts where they literally don't have any other friends. a brand new setup accounts and they messaged me saying you should take this post down. You should not post part two. You don't know what you're getting into. So, with that being said, I'll give you guys a little bit more context on this house. I went and showed this house to a client in 2020. Um, and I I definitely, you know, was not in the spiritual space that I am now. And but walking in that house, you could feel just this icky feeling is the best way to describe it. And the further and further you went in the house, the weirder and weirder it got. Um there were closets with rooms inside it, like hidden rooms inside of them with locks on the outside. So if say somebody was put in there, you could lock it and there's no way for them to get out unless you let them out. Um I've had a lot of people saying, "Oh, this is a Turkish bath." I don't think they understand the context. Like I wish I would have taken a picture of me laying on the table. This room is probably only 7 ft wide. I'm 6'3. When I laid on this table, like my feet were almost touching the wall. My head was almost touching the wall on the other side. Um, and so this definitely was not a purpose-built Turkish bath for an adult. Like there there's there's just no way that was there. Um, the other weird part is there were cameras wired in that room. Um, or wiring for cameras in that room. Excuse me. There weren't any cameras currently in there, but there were was wiring for cameras in that room, which was weird. And then everyone else saying, "Oh, this is a sauna or this is a shower room or something like that." No, this room was like the third room in a giant room and you had this room at the very back. Then you had a shower room, which I'll p post a picture of now, just part of it because that's all I could get. It was bigger than the picture. Um, and then there was a sauna on the outside of that and that's what you went into. So, you went in the sauna, then you went in the shower room, and then you went into uh this last altar room is what I call it. More coming on the next video. I'm running out of time. Okay.

Wow. A a lot a lot to unpack there. So, let's start with this because I want to get into what happened here recently when you posted it in the messages. Um, let's go back now. So, so you saw this, this was you, you had the impression you something was wrong. Uh, something was off here. Um, so walk us through any other thoughts you had at the time. Uh, anything else you saw that was that led you to believe this what this was, which honestly like again those of us who have studied this like especially the the rooms with you know locks on one side I mean all these things are ding ding ding uh but so I want to hear hear you know again tell us a little about what else you saw at the time and then walk us through because that was 2020 now we're 2025 you're posting it now so walk us through what happened in the time between then and now and then and then I want to get to what kind of messages you got yeah um so I guess the the other real weird thing when you're walking through this house is like we were all confident there's a floor below this floor that you couldn't get to. We couldn't find the door, we couldn't find the entrance, but you walk around the outside, there's a foundation like and then we there's one big room with like hardwood floors where it looked like there used to be a staircase there, but it was all covered up and but it's just like walking through the house and we been doing this for 20 years. I'm like, I know there's another floor underneath here. I just can't figure out how to get to it. And that was the other that was the other really weird thing because it looked like where this there was like a wood floor that was set up that almost looked like a bowling alley and it didn't make any sense. Like why is this here? But then like you mirror it to like where the other stairs are in the house. Like there's got to be another staircase right here. This is just all sealed off. Interesting. Is that where the altar room was that you It It was right outside of it. Oh, okay. It was right. But it was it was on that that floor that you're walking on was on the same level though and it felt like there was another level underneath that but you couldn't get to it. Wow. Yeah. So that was just another weird thing that like I didn't have and that's what I always try to do is like logical explanations of this is why this is here and I couldn't find a reason for it. So okay. So and we're going to get into um I'm really excited to start to share some of why it makes sense. Yeah. To us. But so that's 2020. So what happened between 2020 and and what prompted the posting here a couple days ago? Like what? So yeah, I mean about two years ago, I guess you could I had what what you could call a spiritual awakening and just realizing like you know how I was born, how I was raised, there's there's a there's a lot more to this life and this existence and what I was taught. Um and I guess like I never fit in with the church I grew up to be a part of. Like I was always the black sheep. didn't feel like I fit in and I just always knew there was more. And so then I started searching and had this awakening, I guess you could call it, to the spiritual side of life. Um, and then and then like that night when I was scrolling through my pictures, this was around the time my daughter was born. Uh, I was just scrolling through pictures and it came up and like like I I guess I'm much more spiritually in tune now. And I saw it and my heart just sank. I was like, "Holy shit." it. And I I told my wife, I'm like, "Remember this house that I told you about? That was super creepy." And she's like, "Make a post about it." And so I'm just like made a post about it, went to bed, didn't think anything else of it. And next morning I had hundreds of messages in my inbox.

Okay. Tell All right. So tell us uh you got all sorts of messages. Would you mind telling some what some of those messages? Um Yeah. I mean, you said there's three types, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, the interesting ones that that I guess just like blew my mind is like the these pictures aren't online anywhere. Like the these are pictures I took. You can't find these pictures anywhere else online. Um, and there were dozens of people who knew exactly whose house this was and what room it was. And I'm just like, there's no way unless you physically been in there because there there there's no way to know this information based off of what I shared. I mean, it was three pictures. Two survivors that were saying that. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And so they knew exactly whose house it was and what room it was and what it was used for. Um and so that that was like just and it wasn't one or two, it was literally dozens of people. So share with us the types of messages again. It was so people who knew whose house it was. Then you had the you know survivors. Share with us some of the things you were hearing from survivors. What stuck out to you? So the and and they called it satanic ritual abuse and and it came in all forms it seemed like. I mean there was definitely sexual stuff that that they did telling you what was being what it was used for. And then there was lots of like psychological and mental abuse and and um and just I I I want to say like almost programming and just like I I guess beating them down into submission so they don't tell anybody what's going on. Okay. And so and and it's funny because well it's not funny it's sad because all those stories were very similar from just a whole bunch of different people who are all saying the same thing and it's like if this is all just made up like how do so many different people have the exact same stories. So what's what is going through your mind as you wake up the next day you start seeing this stuff? Yeah. I'm I'm just like I stirred the hornets's nest. And then I started getting the third type of message and this was other weird part is just like it was from ghost accounts like they would message me like you need to delete this, you need to not post that, delete all the photos and then I'd go back in and see and check the message like show my wife or just read it again to see if I can figure out who it is and it's gone. I'm like I don't even know how how you can delete that from inside Instagram like without it being deleted on my end. That's crazy. How's your wife handling all this? um she's she's a very uh spiritually strong person. She's suffered a lot of abuse um in her life and so she is definitely somebody to I I guess she she's still recovering and so she's she's you know one of those people who's who's terrified to speak up against abusers because she's been in the abused role and understands like what that can come with. Um, and especially, I mean, I'm I'm I'm not dumb. Like, the people who are being called out on this are very powerful, well-connected people. And as you guys know, they can make your life hell. So, how I became the spokesman of this, I don't know. But I'm just I'm to the point where I'm just like, wherever the universe is going to pull me, send me and we'll we'll run till we can't. So, that's been Jason. He didn't ask to be in this fight and God called him. Yeah. Yeah, that's all of us, right? Yeah. That's I think that's one of the ne the incredible things about this is this is God's fight.

Yeah. What has this done for you? Um I guess what um what has this done for you spiritually? Spiritually, how has this affected you? Um I guess the biggest thing is it's it's just like proven like people need a voice. Pe people there there's a lot of bad in this world. And I know like right now, especially in the spiritual community, there's a lot of like it's all love and light. Everything's love and light. There's it's it's not all love and light. There's a lot of darkness and somebody needs to stand up to it. So, uh and usually the people who stand up to it get squashed, but I'm to the point now where I'm just like, what what whatever happens, like I'm I'm here to fulfill my highest potential, so it's time to quit hiding and start being a light. So, Well, I love it. I'm proud of you. You know, we've got great men like Goel out there and and uh you know, some of our investigator guys that, you know, people who've come on the show under, you know, without without being recognized who they are. And there's some great men in this fight, but I'll tell you, we we we need good men. And so, I just I appreciate you having the courage, you know, to to take that risk. Um because I when we first started getting digging into the Hamblin uh cases and the victim statements, there's a lot of people who are very influential in the state social media and uh who are very aware of it and they're and they wouldn't touch it with a 10-ft pole because they they are worried for their and I can't blame them and there's no one I can blame because but they're worried for the families, worried about about what would happen if if they started uh to pull back the layers of the onions. So, um, you know, and one of the interesting things, let's just talk, let's just pull the, uh, just let's talk about it. The the Turkish bath thing. Uh, my wife, uh, grew up in New York and and then we met in Miami. And uh, she actually dated Russians for for quite some time out there. And they owned and her the f one of the families that she, you know, uh, was dating owned a Russian Turkish bath house in both New York and Miami. And you know, I think there's some there is an argument that could be made that it is a Turkish uh bath. Uh, but I think there's also when we showed it to, you know, some individuals we know, there's also a lot of questions about why certain things were certain way and some things that, you know, didn't add up as well for them either. So I I I I think to me where I don't want to get caught up in is is this or isn't this. But what I do want to do is talk about, you know, here we have Ashley who's someone who's been through this. Uh, and I'd love to hear, Ashley, your experience. What are these altars? What are they used for? Um, and maybe you can share your experience with with Sure. Yeah. Uh, first before we get into it, as I was preparing this weekend, um, gathering survivor stories and kind of preparing myself spiritually, um, I was, this topic is heavy. Like, it really is. It's and I I get as a survivor I get a lot I'm met a lot with that's too much. I can't hear this, you know, and I get that like I know there's a level of heaviness that people just are like la like plug my ears like I want to focus on the light and good and that's all fine and dandy but we're kind of living in a time where you cannot talk about the light without talking about the dark. It it comes together and we have to shed light on the dark as the darkness continues to expose itself. They have to expose it more. Yeah. I think, you know, not to interrupt, but I think, you know, I think everyone knows we're in a battle of light and dark. Yeah. I mean, it's like it's it's it's almost like obvious, right? People just know it. Everybody. Yeah. And we focus on the light. But, you know, you read the art of war. What is one of the first steps is is know your enemy. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And it's like and and so much of the cupcake Christian world we live in today is let's like you said just focus on you know on you know this you know Jesus that is just you know cupcakes and happy and smiles and rainbows teddy bear Jesus and we don't talk about you know the enemy and fact of the matter is the enemy has been advancing and and you talked about it on your show on one of the ons you did about we can actually play it but it's talked about how you said you know you were in Park City talk about how, you know, everyone on the surface it looks Utah looks so beautiful like Daybreak. But then you start to peel back the layers of this onion and there is a very real evil in this state. And I think it makes sense for anyone who logically takes a step back and understands the principle of duality. Where there is good, there is evil. Where there is light, there is dark. Where there is, there is law of opposition. And if there is a tremendous amount of light in this state, which I absolutely believe there is, there must be an equal and opposing amount of darkness. Yes. And I will tell you this that darkness is very organized and it is as organized as the light. So I think that's an excellent point, right? Um I I find it interesting too like I you know raised in the church as well and I feel like there's kind of this culture conditioning that like oh if we talk about the adversary or the devil like we're inviting him in. So there just tends to be this kind of like no don't look at it. But kind of what you're saying, we have to talk about it to know our enemies so we can go to war. And I think it it tends to be like how are we showing up to our like our spiritual arsenal? Can we study how he the devil's operating in his kingdom? Then that way we can come back with like more knowledge and more tools and more spiritual power so we have a stronger spiritual arsenal in this fight. We can't just parry our heads in the sand and show up with no armor in the battle and be like, "We're going to win just fine if focusing on the light." I was going to say something like that, like the dark is so organized. And me and my wife talk about this all the time, like who's organizing the light. Where's where's the light side? Because it seems like we're here and there and just scattered throughout. But the dark is very well organized. Like I say, Epstein, look at their politicians. Yes. But you know, and here's the thing, too. We can't put our head in the sand. And even even people, well, I just don't want to look at it because the cost of not looking at it is every day we don't look at this, children are being trafficked. Children are being tor are being hurt. And so to me, this is not about Yes, it's it's painful to look at. And yes, if the if if we step into the darkness and are not armored with the armor of God, we will get decimated. I know I've been decimated because I've not been spiritually strong enough, which is why I had to pull back and focus on that. But Yeah. No, I agree with you. It's almost kind of like um back in the day when it was like don't talk about suicide because you talk about suicide then you're going to promote suicide in a way. But now we're seeing like no, let's like suicide awareness like and how like it helps prevent suicide. Let's talk about what the adversary is up to. Let's get us better prepared. Let's unite and go to war, right? Like God needs us and he's calling and uniting all of us and it's time for us to stand up and be willing to look at the dark. And I feel like it takes a level of faith to and of light to look at the dark. So it's almost like God's calling us into a higher spiritual power to be like, can you handle looking and at the dark? Is that making sense what I'm trying to say? Absolutely. So yeah, that's been kind of my um as I was thinking about this, getting prepared for this. Um, and as a survivor myself, right, like all we ever want is just to be heard. And, um, so I am grateful to you, Jason, for giving your podcast a place for us to be heard and seen. And that's a big deal and makes me really emotional about it and just deep gratitude for what you're doing here. Um, as far as um my Okay, sorry. I over the weekend spent several hours talking to survivors. Um, and it was I already know all this like I've been studying it like I have obviously my own experiences but also just sitting with other survivors and it's emotional. So, um, what they've experienced is it's horrific. And so I I I I ask everybody to like just take a deep breath as we talk about some of this heavy stuff and just as I bring to light what these survivors have been through because it's um pretty dark. I wanted to read one this girl because I think it a good one that starts with she has an experience that ex is exactly what this your um what you saw in person. Yeah. Like as I've talked with a lot of survivors, everyone kind of has a little bit of a different experience. I didn't necessarily have a room like that, but I've had I mean I was on an altar um with robed people around me as I'm on the altar and they're doing things to me. So, but I think everybody does like has different experiences and so I want to kind of just just kind of break down different experiences of what people have heard and like I have some notes from conversations I've had on the phone with people. I have some that I've they've just sent me a voice message and I wrote it down. And so I'm going to read this first one. Um and okay, so she explains that her first memory took place in an altar room that looked like the sonnet um in someone's home. So exactly like what you saw. Uh she said I don't remember the details about whose house and whose or where who was in the room, but I do I don't recall how I got in the room. I do recall they gave me a sucker that drugged me and they brought me into that room and they had me and a few girls sitting in the seats and they already had a girl strapped to the altar. I was about 10 or 11 years old. I think all of us girls were about that age and I think the girls on the altar had started the girl on the altar had started her period and they were using her as a sacrifice and basically bled her to death and it was excruciating and painful for her. As she was sending me this voice message, she said, "I get emotional thinking about it again. Even though I've worked through a lot of this, you still get the emotional aspect of mourning for those things that happened in the in the innocent girls and boys. It's just awful." They cut her in many ways that kept her alive and in pain. And they collected her blood in golden bowls. And they had one for her neck and one for each arm and one for each foot. There was five total, she said. And she said, "We just had to sit there and watch her and hear them talk about how this girl was no longer innocent. They also sexually abused her while they were while they were she was on the altar. They had us touching ourselves while they were doing stuff to her. At one point they each took us one at a time. When it was my turn, they took me on the other side of the room and they took one of the bulls and they had a camera in the corner recording everything. And they also had a photographer there taking pictures of everything. I can only assume they sold these pictures and to the sick market that's out there. When it came to my turn, they poured the bowl of blood on me and taking pictures and sexually abusing me like horrific child porn of me. And they took me to the showers and cleaned me off, fixed my hair, gave me my clothes, and that was that. So, when I saw that room from the real, she saw your real, I thought, I've seen a room just like that. And it brought things back to the surface again. in this experience that 100% is an altar room, a sacrificial altar room. The setup, the shower, the room by it, exactly the setup that I experienced. The people who are saying it's a mess, a massage table or Turkish bath sauna, they make it look so close that the masses brush it off, but it is an altra room. That's one. Let me just keep reading. Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean, some of this stuff's just somber. No words. Yeah. No, heavy. Yeah. Yeah, it's heavy. Um, her second memory, the same girl, she said, "This memory is when my sister and we were taken to one of the Bishop Rick's members house at night. It was a really, really dark basement and they gave us suckers. This that's usually what they give us or Smarties or a sticker or or a drink that are all that are all drugged. I remember stickers personally, like licking stickers. Um it has it's been interesting as I've been reading their stuff like it is that like oh yeah that's the same for me too. Like I don't know this person very well. We connect. We start talking about our stories and again the it's amazing what things like line up. Yeah. Um okay. They had a really blinding construction light shining right into our eyes so we couldn't see anything but all I could hear were these voices and they were saying it's my sister's birthday. Even though her birthday was in the winter. It was clearly spring and summer. It was confusing, but we were so drugged. They Sorry. They were saying it was a special celebration for my sister. Then they took her and laid her on a table and they started raping her and that she was blessed. Amazing. All they all while they were tormenting her. I could hear the screaming and crying. And then they took me. I remember I wasn't very happy. I was scared. They brought me in with her and I laid next to her. There were two men in there. One was facing her and one was facing me. While they continue to hurt her but tell her she's the rightful person. She was above me and that she was like above me and etc. So they were kind of like glorifying her sister in this situation and telling her telling this survivor that she was less than. And while they were doing that, they started torturing me and telling me I was nothing compared to my sister. This that I was worthless and she was better than me and I had nothing to amount to. This is when for this went on for a long time and I don't remember how long but it was a really long time. Eventually they take us back to the corner to that light glaring in our eyes so we couldn't see anything. We hear people talking, three men total. the two that were taking or talking to us. And this third man seemed like he was um kicking the other two men out, saying they were horrible. So, we were wondering who this man was saving us. He comes over to us and he says, "I'm going to save you girls. I am God. I'm going to protect you." I remember looking down as he was saying all this and seeing expensive shoes and thinking to myself, "God doesn't wear shoes." So, I didn't believe it was God. Then the man asks, "Who's going to thank me first for saving you?" Which told me even more that he was not God. So, I tell him he's not God and that he's a liar. The man replies, "Oh, so you're first." He takes me aside and takes me over and places me on instead of the tables, there was an actual altar this time and he places me on there and he tells me, "It's not actually your sister's birthday. it's yours and other things that felt and sounded confusing in my drug state. So hearing it's not her birthday but mine and that I'm actually the special one. He told me I was too unruly and I needed to behave and listen better to my elders and leaders. Then he raped me with this really evil laugh. He tortures me after that. Then takes me back to the corner. Then he takes my sister and I hear her screaming. then bringing her back and says to us, "You girls thanked me well," and gives us a drink and told us to drink it all, which we did, and then takes us to the basement outside entrance. And we leave and I look up as we're leaving and saw the biggest, brightest moon ever. And I thought to myself, it is such a beautiful night, like everything before was wiped from my mind. And I could only remember the pretty moon. So, you can kind of hear what we were talking about earlier, the levels of mental abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse, spiritual abuse, all of it. Like, it's such a twisted a twisted situation. I talked to two other survivors on the phone. Um, one for like two and a half hours, um, and another for two. And both these women that I talked to were older. Um, one was 75 and one was 58. And it it was fascinating to talk to these older women. Um, and both of them told me that they had never told anybody about their abuse except for their therapist. And so they were really grateful to just be able to talk to somebody that would hear them out. And almost all of them as I talked to them thanked me and they told me, "Thank you for being a voice for us because they aren't ready to put a face to their story yet." So I feel grateful I can have I don't know God's called me to be in this position as scary as it is but if I can give them courage and be a voice for them I I feel grateful. But one the the older woman, it was really interesting actually. She woke up um she woke up in her 30s and it was like what 40 years ago when like the PACE memorandum was coming out and like all that and like the whole um what was it called? Like the false memory syndrome came out and it was like oh so she she's like I never got help because um I had no therapist that would believe me because it was like oh you're making this up. Yeah. Well, that's what they came up with to kind of put a because every everyone started getting triggered and everyone was starting to wake up because the more that people talked about this, the more that people started to have the memories come back, the more people have the memories, it flooded out of control and and they had that's when they had to like put the whole kibash on it with the this is all satanic panic and it's all false memory syndrome and anyone doing it is crazy and and and they and then there was and that's and that's and that that and that silence so many people and so it's this is why this is so important is it's giving the more this gets out there, the more the more people are starting to feel safe coming out and have and not only, you know, sharing their memories, but um yeah, standing up. Yeah. I I found it fascinating that she's a part of the second wave too, right? Like she's recently in her own doing her own therapy and I was I like so proud of her at 75. I'm like talking about EMDR sessions and I I don't know. I thought it was great. We connected and it was beautiful. um her her alter experiences um were different than this other survivor. Her she explained that her very first memory uh she was like three or four years old and it was in a church building. Um and she's like I knew it was neighbors like families like family members and they're all in robes, right? Like the black robes. Um but then also she not she noted that like it would change locations. It wasn't always the same place. Um, but she said there's always an altar there. But what I found interesting for her is do you guys know like in like the church the church buildings they have a a kitchen, you know, and those like metal serving carts that they would use with like the roll. Yeah. That was the altar that they used for her. So she was explaining to me that she remembers being naked and just how cold she was as she was on this metal cart. And um she said there was lots of blood poured over the top of her and there was chants over her about her worthlessness, you know. Um she remembers her her brother, cousin, you know, just it's familial usually. Um so I found that very fascinating kind of like and I think each coven might do things a little bit differently. Yes. I don't know if people know what a coven is. It's like a ward version of Satan's church I guess you know. Yeah. So you have the LDS church of Satan. Yeah. And then it is it is actually structured almost mirrors the church where you have like leadership at the very top and then and then different covens you have a high councils and anyone can just pick up the uh the uh Hamlin victim statements and you can read through there and you can see how organized and you can also see how like you said I think it was Dejon.

In there used like they used a piano bench, you know. There's so there's different examples where they, they use different things in their, um, you know, things passed down from grandparents. Yeah.

But, uh, but yeah, so a coven is a group of them. And I will tell you this, there are warring covens, but the one thing they will not do is they, they may out each other like they did Hamlin, but then, but they, but they will all protect each other. And this is why the video is because they're all recorded and they all have recording. And you take down Hamlin, same as Epstein. Guess what? He has video on every single one of these politicians. And it's not left versus right. It's not a bunch of Democrats that are in on it. It's both parties. And that's why none of them will out each other. Makes sense. They all got, yeah, they're all in. Victor. Yeah. This is how it all works. Politicians, that's why we lose them all. That's why we lose them all is, is, is they get literally recorded doing things compromised. And it obviously doesn't need to be ritualistic, but if it's with a secretary, with a girl, with a boy, this is what's go, this is why you lose all your politicians in DC. Yeah.

And this again, it's to different levels, but what we're talking about, we talked about corruption in this country all day long. And we can chop at the branches, or we can, but this is the root of it all. And this goes across the entire country. Yeah.

No, you're right. Um, this other survivor I talked to, uh, because there's always blood involved with the rituals on the altar, you know, and, and if we understand it's a mockery of God, right? Like we know that the altar represented, you know, the Mosaic law, like he brought a lamb to be sacrificed, you know, and bled out. And so there's these little children that are lamb, lamb of God, you know, like we're his lamb, right? And so it's just, it's just a mockery and a perverse way to, you know, then obviously they sexualize it and just, you know, horrible things in that way, torture. And, um, so, and usually it's innocent, like younger, sorry, they're all innocent. My memories are like from 0 to 13. And so some of these girls I've talked to have, when they started their periods, like they, they extract, they extract our blood like as part of the torture. But I didn't realize as well as I talked to a couple other survivors and like learning more about it, that the menstrual blood is also something that, um, they drink as well. And this one woman was her altar was like in the middle of the woods, you know, and she was raped multiple times, um, throughout her abuse. And so she would be like pregnant and then would miscarry. And they, during the miscarriage, they would, they would do a ceremony over her, chanting over her and rape her during it. And then they're drinking the menstrual blood and the baby and the sperm. Like it is just so gross. Like I, I can't, I even, even though I've experienced, I still can't wrap my mind around how and why like you have pleasure in all this. But just this just horrific, like she had multiple experiences of being raped, like being on her period. And I thought that was an interesting aspect. I don't know if you have anything to share about that.

No. Um, no, just the depravity with these people. I mean, and that's the thing is, you know, as light is, and, and is good, and, and light as God, the enemy is equally as dark. Yes. Yeah. I don't think people really truly can comprehend how evil, like this, this is next-level evil that most people are like, I don't want to hear about that, it's too bad. You know, that was actually one of the things that actually helped me believe this is when you read these statements from these little, especially the Hamlin girls, these young girls, you know, your stories, it's like no one in their right mind could come up with these kind of ideas. Like who could come, no healthy being could come up with the, the things that these people. And it's like, yeah, no, you know what? I don't think these three girls and these other girls all, you know, correlated with these exact same stories. You know, it's just too dark, it's too evil, it is too depraved. Yeah, it's awful.

I have one more. I have on my phone and then I'll share mine. Um, this girl, the use of altars in satanic ceremonies is common. In one experience, I was a three-year-old in a ceremony where I was used to symbolize youth and living innocence and was the first fruit for the leader of the ritual. There's again, more symbolism there when it comes to God's kingdom, right? Like the first born. I'm the, I was the first born. And, um, I know there was like extra stuff done to me because of being the firstborn. So first fruits, firstborn, there's a lot of symbolism there. Even. So if she continues, even though I was drugged, more continual theme here, like people are drugged during it. Yep. I was, it was terrifying to be in a dimly lit room being carried to an altar on a large platter. The people in the room were in black robes and there is one man in a red robed, hooded robe who was the leader, which I found that very similar to. I remember only black robes, but another girl I talked to, she had, she's like, there was one man in, in a, in a red robe and the rest were in black. So interesting there as well. I was sitting up tied to the disc and there were flowers and leaves around me. My legs were spread out and tied and my hands were also tied to the disc. So I was holding tight to the sides because I was afraid of falling off. There were two men carrying the disc. The man in red was walking behind us as we came up to the altar that was specifically designed to hold the disc. The altar was wide and short and a bit concave to hold the disc. I was so scared and upset. I just wanted to get away, but I couldn't. After they set me on the altar, women in black robes came up to me, and each one placed a white flower between my legs as the men chanted. After they were done, the man in red spoke really loudly, telling the group about their ancestors pouring the blood of their generations over that which is pure on the night of the summer solstice. I know you and I have talked about that before with our other podcasts, like around holidays is when they perform a lot of these rituals. And they took a picture of blood and poured it on the flowers and my legs as he said, "We bless this holy child." After they did that, the man in red got a serpent sword and went around the circle and did a blood ritual with each person there with the sword and the blood. Then the women left and the men untied me and lifted me out of the disc and laid me on the floor. One man gave me something gross to drink and I got really dizzy and then relaxed. I couldn't fight them. The man in red then said more words and raped me. They did a lot of symbolic signs and gestures and there were men holding me down while this happened. I've also witnessed child sacrifices on altars. Children of all ages will be placed on an altar and killed with a dagger. Um, that's reminding me of the other girl. She also remembers, um, being forced to kill another, like be a part of the sacrifice as well. Children of all ages will be placed on the altar and killed with a dagger. Their blood would be collected and then used and consumed depending on the purpose of the ritual. I have seen these kinds of rituals in homes, private rooms or buildings, outside, on stages, and in amphitheaters. There's always a purpose with altar ceremonies, typically for consuming blood and offering it to Satan or Lord Lucifer. She has that in parenthesis.

So, my experience, um, just to kind of fill Brett in a little bit because you are meeting me for the first time today. Um, I started waking up to my memories about three and a half years ago. Um, so there's a lot of this, like a lot of these survivors. That's actually interesting. Each survivor I talked to, like we're all kind of waking up at the same time. That's what's been interesting. There's like a huge wave right now. Yeah. I think God is stirring right now. I agree. I think God is, I think God is shining a light on on the enemy. Yeah. Right now. Yeah. It's a cool thing to be a part of. It is. And horrificly beautiful at the same time. Um, anyway, so I, uh, my sister and I, we left our family and we just, she remembered her memories first and then when we reunited, her and I, we don't know, just everything just kind of started coming together. And, and so my memories, a lot of them, I've had flashbacks as I've like driven in my car or I've been in my therapy sessions, just kind of uncovering. And I'm only three years into this and I have a long way to go still to continually heal. Um, but one of my most profound, I guess, my flashback, well, actually, let me back up. So two of my, um, therapy sessions, like a lot of times I tend to just, we, I get to connect with my inner child and then she gets to like show me or tell me what happened to her in those sessions. And twice, um, as I connected to a three-year-old version of me, I, I could feel that she was drugged. And then once I connected, I could then see like she was on the altar and I could see the people around her. Um, and, and I, I don't know, like I could just feel, I mean, I could just feel her anguish, her pain, her sorrow. Um, she had been raped, like, and covered in blood. And then another time I had connected to an 8-year-old me and it was around the time of baptism. Like I was baptized in the LDS church and then after that, I was baptized in the satanic church and I was baptized in blood and I was on the altar covered in blood. Um, and, and raped, obviously. And a lot of the, the biggest one that I remember the most, like it was, I was driving and I had this flashback and it was like I was viewing it from an aerial view. And I actually learned that, um, my bo, my spirit would leave my body during all this stuff, which I think was a way to just protect me. So, my flashbacks tend to be like me looking down on what's happening to my body. And in this, I was on an altar and it was just my parents this time and they both were just getting off on like just sexually doing stuff to me. And in this moment, as I'm watching, I'm, I'm feeling everything at the same time. And they started strangling me and as they were abusing me at the same time. It was so confusing. And then they forced me to eat something. And then I learned later it was like actual flesh and blood. They have their own sacrament version. Um, and as I'm like reliving all this and I'm watching them just love what they're doing and just got off on the strangling me and torturing me, I'm like, I don't know how that is arousing to somebody. Um, and then I watched my body just go completely limp. Like there was nothing left in me to like fight. And then they rolled me over. And I was surprised to hear other survivors didn't have this experience or maybe they just don't remember, but they extracted, um, adrenochrome from my, are you familiar with adrenochrome? They extracted it from the base of my skull. And even still to this day, I get pain like in the base of my skull. Like if I have adrenaline that gets pumped, I get pressure here. And the best way I've learned is like chiropractic care to kind of release that. But, um, I, I still, I think my body has just like, "Oh, we have adrenaline. This is where this goes and we have to, and it's looking for a release, you know?" So, so yeah. So then they extract it and they drink it and they're just the lustful look on their faces. And, and then, then the flashback just ended. Um, and came back to myself and all I was, you know, I was balling through this whole thing and it was just super intense and just, and at the same time I'm like, is that real? Like what just happened? It's just awful. So awful. Um, but people need to know that this kind of stuff is happening in Utah, in the world. You know, this kind of abuse, the power that it gives these people for some reason. Like to, I don't know, take something so pure from an innocent child is just wrong, evil. So yeah, I don't know if you have any questions.

That's very, all very, I appreciate you sharing that. And sure, you know, to those, uh, survivors who shared, you know, your stories with, um, Ashley, I appreciate you being willing to share that. Um, I know it, it takes courage. I know that Ashley's life has been, been very difficult and she's paid a price for speaking up. Um, we've talked about that and, and, uh, you know, Brett, I want to thank you. Any, any final thoughts you have as we wrap up?

I guess just the, the more I hear and we talk about this afterwards, um, it, it, it everything's just fallen into place and why, why I'm here. So, can I add one more thing, Jason?

Yeah. Um, you know, I love Jesus so much. He's gotten me through all of this. And I wanted to also touch base on, so here we have this idea of like what Satan does with these altars and like what is the altar like of Jehovah, um, and to me, it's, it's coming to him, having a relationship with him, putting my brokenness on the altar and telling him, like, I want, I want to be healed. And just coming to him, being his lamb, his, his child of God and being healed, kneeling at his feet, um, his atoning grace and love. That's what his, his altar is, is inviting us to come and, and put our pride, put our haughtiness at his feet and just being humble and repenting and being absolutely grateful for his grace and we are saved and we're redeemed with him. Um, and yeah, I don't know. I just, I wanted to end with a positive note of just like, we have a savior and he is there and we can take stuff to him and put it at his altar. It's beautiful.

Tell me, um, any of the thoughts you have or you would like our, our listeners and viewers to be aware of or know.

Um, I guess the big thing is just, you're, you're not alone. Like there's clearly, I mean, I've, I've just barely dove into this and there's, I have hundreds of messages. You know, dozens of people who have suffered through the exact same thing. You've suffered through the exact same thing. Like you're not alone. And if people are telling you you're crazy, you're not. So start speaking up. And, and I think maybe this is like, we need to form more community and support groups around this so people have a chance to talk and heal. Yeah. Because you're not going to heal just keeping that inside. And that's what they want you to do is, is keep it inside. Yeah. Our silence protects their secrets and it empowers them. No more. Yeah.

I will say this. I want to thank both of these incredible warriors. Um, you know, and that's the thing. I've, I've met some of these, and I hate even call them survivors because they're not just survivors. They're warriors. They're light warriors. They're warriors of light. Both those who've been through it and those who are willing to stand and, and protect and speak for them. And, you know, I want to encourage you or those of you who've, you know, felt bold or called or, you know, to to understand the battle that's waging around us that's raging right now. And this is the heart of what's everything going on around the world. And, you know, the, the thing I'll say in echoing her, uh, you know, what Ashley said is, you know, there's times in my life where I've been pretty spiritually like on fire, especially like when I was running for office, that was, I found another level that, and that's where, you know, I was at another level. I was very spiritually close to God and it was very powerful. And there's been times where I've been spiritually, um, on cruise control. And I'll tell you, when you know, you know, fighting the political fight, you, you can be on spiritual cruise, I was on spiritual cruise control quite a bit. And, uh, it's okay. But I'll tell you this, this year, and once we got into this fight and this, and when we decided to take on this lawsuit, um, I found out real quick I couldn't be on spiritual cruise control. And I, you know, my wife and I, we experienced, you know, those, those who know, know what we went through and, and almost didn't come out of. But I will just tell you this, the thing I learned is with this fight, you have to have the armor of God because the adversary is real. Yeah. And, and not only is he, you know, attacking people, you know, who, you know, through the ritual abuse, but he doesn't want this message getting out. These people don't want this message getting out. And I will tell you, these people rule this state. The people who are involved in this are running this state. And I mean it literally. I know names. I know, I, we've talked to enough survivors. I know the names. And then, and then it will come out. God is shining a light on these people. But the point is, is what I've learned is if, if I've had to go back and, and this is a fight you have to have God's help because with, because this is an enemy way beyond my pay grade. And he, and, and, you know, it's, you need, and I just want to appreciate those who've helped me and all the prayers and, and those who've helped support us, Alexa and I, through this, and obviously most Savior. But, u, anyways, um, I want to thank you both and, and thank you because it doesn't matter if we come on here and, and we share this and it just falls on deaf ears or goes nowhere. It's, you know, the, the power here is you. It's, it's you sharing this with your neighbors. It's you talking about it. That, that's what they want right now. That's what, you know, all these politicians want. They want us to stop talking about Epstein. They want us to stop talking about Pizzagate. They want us to fall off that this, you know, there's like Trump came out today and said, "What? We're still talking about Epstein?" When in the middle of all these other important things, you know, is important. Yes, we will talk about children being trafficked there and, and politicians who are tied into it. There is nothing more important. And they want you to stop talking. They want it to fall on deaf ears. So, you know, the heroes are you guys out there who are passing this information, who refuse to let this die down. So to you who are sharing, you who are talking about it with your neighbors, you who are, you know, you know, on, on his social media channel, pushing that viral, you are, God is using you to become vessels of truth. He's using you to just to communicate and get truth out. And we are beating the mainstream media. And they, and you've seen them come out recently as we've been doing this stuff. They're starting to bring back in the Salt Lake magazine and Salt Lake Tribune. Oh, the Satanic Panic. You've seen that how they're trying to do what they did. Use the same playbook they used in the 80s and 90s. It's just a bunch of crazy people. But I am telling you this. I promise you this is real. And whether you believe me or not, doesn't matter. It's real. And you'll find out whether in this life or the next. And I'm thankful to all of you heroes, you know, who are willing to stand for truth because in the end, nothing matters more than, and then what than how we stood in the fight in the greatest fight, uh, in, in the wrapping up of, of, uh, of the earth. So anyways, God bless you guys. Appreciate you both. Uh, Brett, right there, man. God bless you. And to you guys, um, you guys are here for a purpose. You're here for a reason. You know, you didn't, God didn't send you to earth in the greatest showdown to sit on the sidelines. And clearly, you're not. If you're watching this, you have eyes to see, ears to hear, and, and thank you for doing what you're doing. And keep fighting, keep sharing, keep talking to your neighbors because that's how we win. So, God bless you guys, and God bless Utah.