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[Music] [Music] [Music] Great. Thanks. Morning, and thanks all of you for being here. I'm really excited and super nervous to talk to you about PK this weekend. And the title of this is "PK for Everyone: An Experience of Mind." And it might just seem strange, that phrase "PK for everyone," because isn't it something that's just for those people out there who can do special things? And this type of PK that I've been working with for five years and teaching people, it really is for everyone. It shows that if you're alive and breathing and your consciousness is functional, you can cause an effect on your environment and cause physical effects as well.
So, and when it says "an experience of mind" in the title, mind here is so narrow. What I'm really pointing to is that this is a lot bigger than just, you know, thinking, "Oh, I'm going to make something move and make it happen." This is really about the whole person. It's about our emotions. It's about our belief systems. It's about our stress and relaxation, and our intention, attention, and expectation. As I go through my presentation, you'll see so many similarities between PK and remote viewing in terms of how we need to be to produce an effect or to gain the information that we're looking for during a session.
I'm so sorry. I'm really a meditation teacher at heart. And when I started speaking for more than 30 seconds, people start falling asleep, which is really a great condition for psychic abilities, but to try and send you information is not so great. This is just me at about 7 years old, the kid with the dark hair and the bald cut. And this is a formative age in my life because around this time, I had appendicitis and extreme pain and eventually ended up in the hospital. And they took out my appendix. And that's when I started wondering, "What happens after we die?" I've never suffered so much pain than those few days, and I've never been so afraid. In retrospect, realizing, "Wow, this could not have, this could have turned out differently." They told me that my appendix ruptured in the surgeon's hand as he was taking it out of me. So, so that's really, I think, what kicked off my spiritual journey. And I'm sure I'm not the only one in this room. That you're here for remote viewing, for sure. But maybe there's some part of you, that spiritual part of you, that's looking for answers about the bigger questions about life. And I firmly believe that remote viewing and PK are ways of gaining information to help find those answers.
So, going to my teenage years, my father worked for a corporation that transferred us around. So we spent a couple of years in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. And we lived pretty close to the beach. And I remember one night that took my spiritual search further. I was with a young friend of mine who's a couple years younger than me. And so we were just kids, and we had one boogie board between us. And we're on the beach at night. And it looked a little bit like it does here, the big beautiful full moon over the ocean. And the waves didn't seem so bad. So we thought, "Let's go out into the ocean and play. It'll be okay." And we just kept our eyes out on the horizon as we were playing in the waves and hanging on the boogie board and floating around. And I don't know how much time passed, but at a certain point, we ended up turning around and looking at the beach, which seemed to be miles and miles away from us. That's just how it seemed. I don't really think it was that bad, but that's how it felt. And I could see my apartment building, and where it started right in front. When we turned around, it was over there. So we were being swept down and out to sea. And even looking back at the beach, we could see the rise and fall of these massive waves. So I knew that there are some hurdles to to get through to get back on dry land. And so we kicked and kicked and kicked, and we're exhausted and cold in the water and really, really scared. And we had to trade who got to float on the boogie board versus who got to pull on the cord and trying to drag ourselves back to land. And we just think to get further and further out into the ocean, getting more and more scared.
And the thing is, I was raised in a Catholic family, and my buddy and I, we went to the same church. So we had, you know, you always find religion in a foxhole. Well, I had religion that I was actually going to start using it at this moment. And we decided to do some praying together, just doing all the prayers that good Catholics know, like the Hail Mary and the Our Father, just repeating them over and over again. Scared, I guess this is an example of fear. Gee, you know, he's trying to use PK going through God. And I really use the word "God" loosely these days, but I think that word still serves a function. So we're praying it's a greater being to come down and affect material reality to save our little butts. And after a few rounds of prayer out loud, this wave came up behind us and pushed us forward. I felt a wave of relief come over me because we were really tired. We kept praying louder and louder, and more and more waves came behind us and pushed us forward. And finally, a really big wave came, and we caught the wave, and we sort of body-surfed our way and tumbled into the sand alive. And we're really, really happy and scared to death what my parents were gonna say if they found out.
But only a few weeks later, I was watching a program about waves and riptides and the ocean and found out that if you ever get stuck in a riptide, you don't want to fight it and kick against it, which is what we were doing. That you sort of want to go with it because they always naturally tend to send things back toward land anyway. And at that moment, I just lost all faith. As I go, "My God, you know, I thought maybe something special had happened and someone came along to save us and someone had answered my prayers." But in the end, it was just nature. It was gonna happen anyway. And that's when the first seeds of doubt about non-physical reality came into my mind. And as you know, started asking more questions about religion and belief systems and things like that. Don't be scared as you hear this if you have belief systems, because I go back and forth all my life on belief systems, and I'm still, I have not come to any conclusions. So you can keep whatever belief systems you have. They're not gonna be threatened here. Now, mine was certainly threatened. And I, I was always a stubborn person. I never satisfied really being told what to believe. And these, this was another close call, maybe a dramatic call with death. And I didn't want to be told what to believe anymore. I wanted to find my own answers.
And right around that time, this is in the 80s, I came across the book "Journeys Out of the Body" by Robert Monroe. And sure, many people here know that book. It was a beautiful, inspiring account of Robert Monroe's experiences of having out-of-body experiences. And I was looking for a way to have that for myself because if I could prove to myself that I'm a non-physical being, or at least some part of me is non-physical, then that part of me may possibly or probably exist after the demise of my physical body. To me, that would relieve a lot of stress about what happens when we die and afterward. But that book, unfortunately, did, you know, he was a great writer and great stories, but it's that book itself isn't great on how to do the out-of-body experience. I tried. I can remember so many nights laying in bed, listening to the ocean off in the distance, playing some Pink Floyd in the background. And, you know, that's, I'm learning to fly. I'm just listening to that and letting the thrill of the music tickle my spine and feeling those tingly sensations, but nothing would happen. And eventually, I gave up. Just kept going to church, yeah, a good member of my family, and just kept going that way.
In my twenties, I did discover Buddhism. Even though I already knew about it, I started going to a place to practice Buddhism because I thought, "Maybe here's a way I can find answers for myself. If I meditate, there'll be one way to explore consciousness in my mind, and maybe I'll have some interesting experiences that way." And this is particularly to Tibetan Buddhism, that's what I was studying. And I've had a couple of different teachers over the years. But in the end, I found something to be true that, you know, any, I think any tradition after two generations sort of becomes codified, systematized. And I realized after about 20 years of practicing Tibetan Buddhism that even though I'd come to it wanting to find out what happens when we die, when you step into another tradition or another religion or organization, you sort of naturally adopt what they say the goals of the spiritual pursuit are. So, and that, I think, this is across the board, whether you're Catholic or some other type of Christian or Jewish or Hindu or Muslim and Buddhist. In Buddhism, there's the Four Noble Truths. That's the first thing you remember. That you memorize. Life is suffering. And then everything goes from there. You know, that those, those are the standard things. And so I sort of took all that on and set my pursuit of the afterlife aside, even though Buddhism does have its own ideas about what happens afterward and reincarnation. But it's still, you sort of absorb what you're told.
But after 20-some years of that, I realized I had gotten nowhere in my spiritual quest and what I really wanted to find out. And decided to leave, to abandon that, which is really scary because it kind of means ostracizing yourself from your community. Maybe I'm not the only black sheep in this room. You know, some hands going up there. It's very brave to take the step to explore the "woo-woo" side of life because most of our friends and family just find into it, right? It's a welcomed black sheep. And I found during that time that some other books and resources have come to light about how to have the out-of-body experience. And I was really lucky to find William Gilman's works in particular. And his books were really great for instructions. And after training myself for 13 weeks, really in a strong way, training two or three sessions a day, I finally had an out-of-body experience. And this is just an artistic rendering. You never know, you know, I said, "Just let it say," because this is actually not at all what I'm not about experiences like in my experience. It can't be like that. But it's, it's a big world. Leaving the body. We're disassociating from it. Anyway, the 13 weeks of training, and I had it. And the first time when I left, the first thing that I felt after coming back into my body was an absolute absence of fear of death, just complete relief. The first thing I did when I came back to my body and felt that feeling, I went back to my bedroom because I've been training in the living room frequently at 3 o'clock in the morning. I went back to the bedroom, slipped into bed with my wife, and she stirred. And I said, "Honey, honey, I did it." And inside I was just screaming, "I did it! You know, I solved that thing that I've been trying to solve all my life."
But then it also been teaching meditation to students in Denver for a little for a long time. And I thought, "You know, I can't really show them what an out-of-body experience is. I could show them this photo, but that's not gonna cut it." And the closest I could show them was me laying on the couch. You know, that's just not good enough. So I thought, "Is there some other way that I can show people that there is some part of us that really is non-physical?" And I realized that PK could be a way to do that. Is there something in us that extends beyond the body? And I don't mean that literally. But is there some part of us that's not just skin and bones, or that fits within these limits? Do we go beyond, or are we more than just this? When we look at each other in this room now, are we really looking at an interesting mirror of ourselves? Are we the same person at the deepest level? Or are we all part of the same? You see? See? Right.
So I started looking online. And of course, anyone who looks up PK online, though, they'll immediately meet this person. So this is Nina Kulagina. During the Cold War, she's a Russian psychic who could do PK. This is just one example of the things she, she's moving a matchbox and some matches inside of this Plexiglas container using her intention and bodily energy. So clearly, whoever she is, she's not just inside the envelope of skin that's wrapped around the body. And that's pretty amazing, right? And I've seen other people online who could do similar things. Now, the thing about me, Nicole, is that they reported that during her sessions, which would take 8 hours at a time, she would lose many pounds of weight in her arms and legs, and other parts of her body would be in extreme pain for days afterward, as she ended up dying of a heart attack. And I found another young man a couple years ago. I saw him online. Intifada mirror, I think that's how to pronounce his name, from Turkey. He could do other amazing things. And then I found out that he died of a simultaneous heart attack and aneurysm. So I thought, "This is not the way I want to go about things." I've had heart surgery or a procedure at age 25. And the last thing I wanted to do was to hurt myself trying to move things with my mind. And being a meditator, I thought I could fight it and find a more subtle way.
Also online, I found Sharlee Black. She's someone who's had several near-death experiences in her life and who's experienced a lot of PK, including large kitchen appliances moving across her kitchen and other things like that. But in this presentation that I found on YouTube, she displayed this type of PK. And many of you seen this, a little silver foil in some shade balanced on a needle. And this is what you're going to be learning to do this weekend with me. She's just placing her hand near it and somehow causing it movement to happen. And you'll see here that it started speeding up. And of course, the first thing that people think is, "Oh, it's just wind." In the room, over the wind bouncing off her hand, heat from the head. And we'll talk about heat a lot more over the weekend. But here, in a moment, she's going to screw on the cover, and you'll see that the effect is still, it continues. And one thing I want you to notice is that it actually starts reversing direction here. And that's something that you'll experience yourself during our PK experiments that we do together.
So I decided this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to learn how to do this and then teach it to my meditation students to show them that we are more than just physical beings. That meditation can be about more than just relaxing or stress reduction. And so this is just an example of many, many sessions. And you see the clock speeding up here. That's 21 minutes, 22 minutes, and it goes all the way to close to an hour. And so every day for two and a half months, I'd sit in front of this thing for 45 minutes, for an hour at a time. And you see that's a little piece of paper folded inside the glass container, and it would not move. So at a certain point, I started wondering if I was just, this was just, I should just give up. And I didn't give up. And one night, as I had laid my head down to sleep, in my mind's eye, there was this image of the target just moving on the needle. Just spontaneously arose right here in my third eye region, in my mental screen. It was just a day or two after that when I sat down in front of this thing and seen enough, it started moving. So what that tells me is something inside of me had to change before my experience in the outer world could change. Is it something about thought patterns, or level of stress or relaxation, or belief system? I think all of those might be part of it. But definitely chiseling away at this project for two and a half months, I think I'd love to do with it.
So I started doing it more and more and came up with a protocol so that people could learn to do it really quickly. And now I teach this in Denver in a two-hour class. People can do everything that I can do quite easily. And so, for example, the first stage is basically just about forming a relationship with the object. And we can think, maybe there's energy in the body that's reaching out and contacting the object, or maybe our mind is just wrapping itself around the idea of moving an object, not physically. So this is the first stage, and it's basically just putting your hands close to the object without a glass cover and realizing that at a certain distance, using a special breathing technique that you're going to learn, you actually start affecting the speed and the direction of the movement to the object. Because of course, let's play, it's moving right now, it's the wind in the room. But a certain way, you can tell, "Hold on, if I relax a little more, and I inhale, and then hold my breath, it stops moving." And then as I exhale, it starts moving in the opposite direction, or things like that. That a relationship really does start to form. Some form of entanglement. And there's a word that came from Marty's presentation this morning. So entanglement, on some level, happens. And of course, it's not going to be the same thing that scientists do with photons to measure quantum entanglement. But I think the principles have some similarities.
And then the next stage is using a glass container to remove the effect of the wind in the room. But now your hands are resting on the glass container. And the way I teach is, it's really still about building a relationship. And having your hands on the glass is certainly training wheels. Because surely you are heating up the glass and heating up the air inside. And that's, that's fine. That's not a problem. Well, this is where pseudo-skeptics step in and say, "Well, that's all that's happening. It's just heat." And as I'll explain later, there are reasons why it's not just heat. But what we're doing here is kicking up that movement with the air molecules inside a little bit by heating it up. But what's interesting is when I teach in class, people can do this in just a couple of minutes. But for two-and-a-half months, I sat in front of the thing during the same, and the object didn't move. Now, could that be that I wasn't heating it up enough? Or could it be "sign missing"? Some of you might be familiar with that principle. "Sign missing" is when skeptics, pseudo-skeptics, do a psychic experiment, like an ESP experiment, and not only do they not succeed at it, but they fail stupendously, marvelously. They fail so far in the opposite direction of success that it's clear that they're using psychic means to produce an "on" effect. Right? So if I was sitting there for two and a half months not moving the object, maybe it was my belief system was actually holding it still.
And I have other videos that were taught classes, and you see two people. And I can tell, I knew who the skeptics were in the room. They're sitting there with their hands up close, and this thing is not moving. And someone at one table over who is really open-minded, it's moving just fine for them. Then the next stage is to get to where you can move the object with your hands just off the glass. Again, we're still at the level of training wheels. That maybe you're still adding heat into the system. Now we're getting a little more distant from it, getting less physical and more mental. The biggest challenge at this point for most people is maintaining a level of relaxation. As we get here, because a lot of people that start stressing out, "I'm not touching. You can I still do it?" You feel this tightness building in the mind, and then the effect will stop. The object will stop moving if you become too tense. So just replaying the scene a little faster, so you can see the object moving a little bit more clearly. And it's important. You might be wondering, "When they're seeing this on video right now, and I'm going to do this in person?" Well, there's something about seeing and believing. Just seeing this slowly right now is opening your mind to the possibility that you do extend in space and can influence things somehow.
Then the next stage is when it gets really fun. This is the no-hand stage. And so there, my hands are resting in my lap, and I'm just looking at the object using my eyes in a particular way. There's a way to look at things, and you want to affect a change. Just sort of like when you're on a first date, you know, there's a way you can look at the person sitting across from you if you want to affect a change in the way they think about you. There is power in the eyes. And here I am, yeah, sitting across the table. [Music] And it can get even more fun from that, where you stand up. Of course, this is all built on the relationship that you form. So you start at the basic level with your hands on the glass, then you take them off the glass for a few minutes, then you put them in your lap, and you're increasing your level of relaxation and your confidence at the same time. And then after a while, you stand up and take a couple of steps back. [Music] And what's interesting here is that sometimes the object stops completely. And that's when the confidence really kicks in. Well, you can get it moving again from a dead stop. And here's a little bit different. I've got three objects here instead of a container. I'm several feet away. And I was experimenting with different types of metals. So each, this is, these are little pieces of paper coated with silver, gold, and copper foil. I had to use a paper base because those metals are so soft that they would just sink and drool over the needle. But I was wondering, maybe different metals would respond differently to me. And I don't think that they do. And I think it has anything to do with that. What's interesting about this scene is that different objects are moving at different speeds at different times. So, like this, a big world full of convection moving everything together, right? Things are responding differently in their little corners of the container.
And then another way of doing this is you can have one object in, in its own container, and try three objects. So the ones on the end, of course, are, they might be experiencing more turbulence from the heat from my hands. But what happens when the one in the middle starts moving as well? See here. And there's something interesting about getting multiple objects to move in different containers because there's something that I call "sticky energy." And I don't think there's really sticky energy involved, but it just describes what happens. You could have two objects next to each other, and you focus on one and get it to move, and then you'd let it stop. And then you turn your attention to the one next to it and start applying the same technique. That instead of that one moving, the first one responds instead. What the heck is going on there? It takes, it takes time and energy and effort to move the intention of your focus from one object to the other. Sometimes. And after a while, I thought, "Can I do something heavier or something more significant?" Because, you know, after a couple of minutes of seeing paper and tin foil moving around, this sort of loses its pizzazz. It's not like what you see in Hollywood, right? So what if I could move toothpicks? Of course, not like me and a collage enough. It's something more subtle. Here, I put them on a scale, 0.9 grams, so they're significantly heavier than a piece of paper, tin foil. I took two toothpicks, balanced them on a little piece of cardboard, and balanced out on a needle. And you can see here, after several minutes, I finally got it to move. And this is with no hands at all. So you see a turning there, slowly. And what you don't see, but what's actually happening, is I started using principles of remote viewing in my PK. Because the thing about toothpicks is that they have dimensionality to them. They're thick compared to a slice of tinfoil, right? So I realized that when I wanted the toothpicks to move, what helped was when I would try and remote view into one of the toothpicks, which is a different experience than the canape kid that I've done before. So I'm still using my breathing technique and my level of relaxation, everything. But then I'm trying to remote view into the cellular structure of the wood inside the toothpick. And at that moment, when I felt connected, and I felt like I connected that the signal, mine, there's another way to say that's when the thing would start to move. Which is really interesting because I know we're getting into possible connections to remote influencing. It's sort of a remote viewing at PK come together, especially if you know nefarious ideas.
So in this video, you're gonna see me leaving my condo and going to my garage and sitting in my car, ten stories down, and moving the object. And this is a long-distance experiment. And I thought it'd be easier for me to run you through it as we watch the video together. And in this video, it begins by showing an outside view of my building. So I live on the tenth floor of this kind of medium complex at the very top. And as you see, as the camera pans to the right, that's a garage there on the right. And so in this experiment, I'm upstairs on the tenth floor with two cameras. And I'm just sitting down now by the object. And I'm just, I've got my hands on either side of the glass, but not touching it. I'm just forming a connection with the object. And so as soon as it starts to move a little bit, I know I'm connected. And then what I'm gonna do is just stand up, grab one of the cameras, and go down the hallway, take the elevator down, and go to the garage and go inside my car. And without seeing the object from there, I don't have a camera back on the object that I can see. I'm just using my imagination and my intention and trying to do a little remote viewing. I'm gonna try and move it from that distance. See here, you see me in the elevator headed down. And I'm gonna end it here. I'm gonna step out as you continue watching the video and see what happens. And if you want to learn how to do this, you can. So you, you know how to find me and my resources, get my impossible.com. But enjoy the rest of this video.
Okay, so I go sit inside my car. And I just had a camera on me. And part of it is because I wanted to also see when I had my eyes open or closed, because I was experimenting with different kinds of remote viewing there. Because there's that idea that maybe you're reaching a certain brainwave, like alpha, when you close your eyes, that maybe that allows for too much imaginary information to come through. So these are all questions I have as a remote viewing student that I was wondering if my eyes are open and closed when I'm trying to perceive the object and send my intention to it, which is more effective. We see here. So this is real. This time is linked up the object upstairs in my dining room, and then me in my car. My eyes are closed, and just trying to remember what it looks like and trying to imagine being just inside the foil or just right next to the foil, of being with it, just trying to invigorate my connection there. We go. Eyes open. And then it starts responding. As close as we're spotting that too. So I don't have an answer for that question, which works better for remote influencing, eyes open and closed. I don't know yet.
Okay, so the basic formula for this type of PK is: time + relaxation + intention + attention = movement. And really, isn't this the formula for every kind of, for most, many kinds of psychic phenomena? I should that expectation. I'm further remote viewing, right? And I think that's where the confidence comes in with PK. That once your expectation is met, or if, when you have the expectation as a mark of your confidence, which of course leads to further relaxation, you know it's gonna happen. You relax more deeply, and then you produce the effect. So that's a simple formula, which is good for everyone to remember. Because when we try too hard, or when we rush the process, what happens? Well, remote viewing either draw a blank, or you start making stuff up, right?
So my friend and collaborator in Denver, his name is Damon Abraham, and he's, he's a great guy. He's done a lot of research using a random number generators or random event generators. I'll just refer to it that way. I called them a REG. And is everyone here familiar with what a random event generator is and how it works? Especially if you've seen those videos or read the books about the Global Consciousness Project, measuring the effects on random event generators, for example, during 9/11 or during other significant historical events, that something happens as human consciousness. Well, what Damon did was, what he came, when I was teaching one of these classes with about eight people doing PK together, and he brought a random event generator with him to start charting it. And what we see here is an example of different stages of one of the workshops. We see that the REG is starting to produce non-random data during certain points. So I'm just going to refer to the left side of this chart here. When we see the green section, where it starts leaving non-significant regions of the chart, that's where we all turned around our glass containers and placed them on the table at the same time. So it marks this moment when these eight people, six or eight people, all started getting serious about the PK class. "Okay, now we're going to do it." They just on the stage where you're just putting your hands near it, but the air in the room is moving it. This is it. Something's about to happen. And the REG recorded. Later on in that class, we did an experiment using FaceTime, which is something you can do at home if you have two iPhones, two cell phones. You can turn on the FaceTime application, videoconferencing, and leave one right in front of the target while it's under glass, and go to another room and look at it. I have fun and do the same technique that you're going to learn here. And if you can stay relaxed, you'll get it to move that way. And of course, what is, what is the phone on your hand doing? Is that, are you really sending anything through the phone? Of course not. It's just a symbolic representation of reality. And of course, I think everything looking at right now is a symbolic representation of reality.
At one point, we did an exercise where the group, the whole class, we were trying to move three objects at the same time inside of a container. And when we decided to do that, see the energy, somehow the chart had moved down back into randomness. That we turned the glass over the three objects, and we see that an effect started to be recorded with them. The chart starts changing in an upward direction. And I remember what happened to stop the, see, see the arrow saying "lapse in consciousness" or sure, that's "lapse in concentration." With someone cracked a joke, and everyone, and we were all exhausted, and they were just started laughing, and their concentration was dispersed. And you see that you went back into randomness right after that. So it's interesting that we're not just, it's not just between you and the target that you're trying to move, but there's something in the air trying to sustain it. And they, you see that's happening, that's recordable using random event generators.
So, are we really moving in this type of PK? Are we really moving the object directly? That's what I thought for a good lot of time. But somehow I'm beaming energy to it and making a turn on the needle. But thankfully, you know, I was in touch with Dean Radin and John Valentino, did both that a lot of work with random event generators and other things. And in different ways, they suggest that what could be happening is that I'm affecting the movement of the air molecules inside of the container. And at first, I was a little bit insulted by God. I'm not really doing what I think I'm doing. And it's, it seems so much less sexy to think I'm changing the way air molecules are moving. This is called Brownian motion, right? All the molecules inside the container bouncing off of each other in random waves, causing an equal distribution of pressure throughout the container. Right? Sort of like this, you know, just little molecules bouncing off each other randomly. And that center P, entropy doesn't require any extra energy. You see a dried-up leaf on the ground and falling apart, disintegrating, requires no energy. It's a release of energy. So it takes nothing but time, right?
Now, what could be happening during this type of PK is this coherence and sent repeat. So here, it's my cute little video to indicate the air molecules moving together. So somehow my mind, I'll just keep letting that play, but somehow my mind is maybe connecting with the UCC, and the UCC is coming back and communicating with the air molecules inside the container, getting them to become coherent in their motion, and maybe in their speed. I don't know. And pushing against the object, getting it to move. Which would be interesting if you go back to the video of Nina Kulagina moving that book of matches inside the container. What she literally moving it directly, or was where the air molecules inside actually ganging up and pushing against it? Because if you think about all that energy available, if it's all placed in one direction at the same time, it could be quite powerful. The thing about the opposite of entropy, or centropy, is that it requires a little bit of extra energy. If you want to grow a plant, you don't just put a seed in the dirt and expect it to grow. You need something extra, a little bit of sunlight, a little bit of moisture. And so perhaps that a little bit of extra that's happening, removing these objects with our mind, is what's coming through the UCC, or in, and coming from our personal consciousness. That's that little bit of extra.
So even though it might be a play here when we're moving the object inside the glass containers, there's that little bit of extra that gets it to change direction when you want it to change direction. Or some people are good at making the object stop on command. Or once it stopped, can you get it going again? Was that little extra kick? That's that, that's that little bit of you entering the system, a little bit of energy. Perhaps really dislike belief system. So I always send everything I say when perhaps or maybe I'm not sure. So thoroughly dissatisfying, I'm sure. So here's just another example of multiple containers and showing that if it really was just heat, then the object closest to me should be moving the most. And maybe it is here, but sometimes the furthest object from me is moving the most, and sometimes they sit still with the object in the middle moving. And that has to do with my focus. Sometimes I start with the one in them near me, and then I extend my eyesight beyond. Here's another example. There's a target inside two containers, and then a target above it. So that's only shielded by one layer of glass. But you can see by using my, my technique, I got each one of them to move. There we go.
This might not look like very exciting examples, but there's something that happens when I turn on the video cameras during a PK session. As the effect just goes, goes to nothing. It just becomes a week or why? Because of my big fat ego, right? I'm trying to do a good job. And when I get it on video, I show people, and that induces a certain level of tension in the mind, and the things just don't work. My friend came out from Texas to make a documentary on this. And he spent a whole day with me, and I just did so miserably, knowing that this would be in a documentary someday. It was just so embarrassing.
Okay, so this goes back to the idea that what we're doing is actually changing the movement of the air molecules inside the container. And if you want to go surfing, you need moving water. Otherwise, if all you have is a paddle to stir up the ocean enough to produce the waves, take them off a lot of energy. So it's okay that we might be heating up the container, we're getting air started. But it's within that motion that we can get some strange effects to happen. Okay, something happened a few weeks ago. I went to Portland, and my Portland friends can start chuckling now once they see this video. To spend some time with some researchers who really wanted to get at the bottom of what was happening. And the first day there, I taught them how to do my salad PK, and we all had a great time. Everyone was moving. At one of them was in another room moving the object. It was beautiful. But then that night, I went and I was staying with one of them. We went back to his house where he had a special thermometer inside the container and a graph there on their computer screen, so we could see the temperature rise and fall inside the containers. I used my thinking. And as soon as I put my hands on the glass, we could see the temperature rising, and then the object moving. And here I am thinking, "Well, I'm going to show them what PK is." And now I was thinking, "Oh my God, and maybe we're going to discover that PK doesn't exist. Maybe I've been fooling myself for five years and teaching hundreds, if not more, people how to fool themselves into thinking that PK is actually happening." Needless to say, my level of stress and freaking out was through the roof. Meanwhile, I have my friend the scientist sitting next to me, going, "Come on, come on, you know, let's, let's look at the data. Look, there's the thermometer. There's temperatures rising again." And when you take your hands away, the temperature falls. And what's happening inside looks like completely a random motion. And the worst part is, I still had five days left in Portland. We're supposed to be doing this PK together. And I just wanted to get on a plane and fly home, make some sort of public statement, "Oh, this is all BS." And I didn't touch PK until last week, actually, to prepare for this. And I thought, "I need to find something. I need to find what that little extra is. I need to be sure that there is some actual psychokinesis happening." So I did something that I've done a couple of years ago, but I hadn't thought about it in a while. And I used the Muse headset to read the EEG signal of my cranium. And I went to see, is there a difference between when I'm successfully moving the object and when the object isn't moving? And I think I captured something.
So what you see here, I'm going to start playing in a moment as I'm putting on the headset. And on the left isn't a close-up of the object. And on the right, that's a close-up of my iPhone that has the app that reads the EEG. And it's going to pick up my delta waves, theta, alpha, beta, and gamma. And I don't really know enough about neurology to know what's really being measured here. But what I was looking for was that difference, just some difference that the mind does behave differently when I'm successful at moving ahead versus when I'm not. And in this experiment, I do with what you saw in that slide of the man on the paddleboard with a paddle and his little dog, no waves, no movements. So I'm doing a dry start here. I didn't start by touching the glass first. I thought, "This is gonna be great. I'm gonna try and get it to move without any external influence." So I'm sitting behind it. I'm perhaps 18 inches from the glass. And it's gonna be about six minutes before I succeed in moving it, which tells me this isn't about just heat at this point. So just to prepare you, I'm just gonna let this play all the way through. We're gonna see different versions of the data. You're going to see that the charts side by side. And one thing I want you to notice is at a certain point, you're going to see a yellow line across both screens. And one of those screens is connected to the time when the object was successfully moving, and another screen is tied to when it wasn't moving. In the first six minutes, I want you to see how many of these brainwaves go higher than that yellow line. Because what you'll see is that when it wasn't moving, some of those waves would pop up above it once in a while. Whereas when it was moving, only the delta wave, the red wave, was popping up. But everything else tended to stay below it. So that's the difference I want you to notice. The other difference, which will show up here in the beginning, is how far away the wavelengths are from each other. They're more spread out during the first six minutes when it wasn't moving. And then when I get it to start moving, you'll see that they're all closer together, that are coalesced, that are coherent in some way. Of course, again, I don't really know what I'm looking at, but I'm looking for something different, and it shows up here. So they'll cut our way they are from each other. Well, it wasn't moving. [Music] [Music] With the art coalesced at the top. [Music] Okay, it's a little easier to see. Well, let's sped up. And this might seem a little boring, but this could be on to something big for future research. And you're actually the first ones to see this video publicly. [Music] [Music] [Music] Okay, look at the yellow line. [Music] [Music] And see the blue and purple lines popping up above the yellow while it's not moving. I think it's stress. I think that's what that's showing. Stress. [Music] And I reverse the screen on the right just for making it easier to look at the data again. Look for that blue and purple line to rise above the yellow when it's not moving. [Music] On the left side, the purple and blue is generally below the yellow line the whole time. [Music] Except for a couple small instances. This is a close-up of the origination points. Just look on the right how things pop up above the yellow line bar. Off. And what you'll notice on the left side is toward the end, a couple of these are going to pop up significantly. And you'll notice the foil stops. It comes to a dead stop after it pops up like that. There, there we go. I may have been a little boring for you, but for me, I mean, that was almost in tears when I saw that. Thank goodness. Having been beyond seeing people all these years, right? For myself, finding my own way to reality is really important. Not just taking on belief systems. And the last thing I'm going to do is create of my own false belief system and then how to take it away. That's the painful part, right? So that's why it's okay to, for me to just tell people, you know, we are heating up the, the air molecules a little bit inside the glass. Because when we do, we get this. When the water is in motion, it's, it's not about the water anymore. It's about what you can do. What we can do when the air is moving. And that's where the PK shows up. That's where you can do things.
Like change the direction or change the speed with the intention. I'm using the breathing technique, but then that's really where these anomalies can occur. And so these, these are things. Was funny, I was flying back from Portland, still mostly mentally paralyzed, thinking, "Oh my, none of this is real." And I was listening to music on the flight home, and I started remembering the anomalies that I had witnessed so many times, and other people had witnessed.
One is that you can improve with time, moving objects faster and easier. So that means it's not purely mechanical. If you get better at it, I mean, there's only one source of intelligence in the room when you're doing PK, right? Well, there might be two. You and the UCSC, or they might be able to listen. You know, that's, that's philosophy.
The other anomaly is the object's motion reflects your level of relaxation and intention. It really does. You might notice this when you take my classes this weekend, that you might get it moving, and you realize that it's you, and then you get really excited, and then it comes to a dead stop. Because excitement is a form of tension. So it's not just negative tension, but even excess celebration can, can just stop the effect or change the effect.
Also, non-believers perform worse than believers. And I've seen this in class many times, where people who, they're just there to sort of prove the whole thing's false, or their thing just isn't moving for them. And for everyone else, it's moving just fine. I also say that's usually the smartest people in the room have the hardest time doing PK. Because the instructions to do PK include relaxing and softening the mind. But there's smarty-pants, it's now the intelligent engineers and physicists and neurologists are in there. They're trying to sort out what's happening while they're doing it, which is a different frame of mind. You cannot bring that frame of mind into the process. You have to, you have to wait till afterward to think about why it works. Then we're all used to thinking all the time. So it's, that's asking a lot of someone to say, "Don't think about it while you're doing that." Because, because that happens. It's like, "Wow, this really does reflect the mind."
If you use the same one object, the same piece of paper, tinfoil, over, over time, it starts to develop a personality of its own. It's really funny. The first time it happened, I kind of had me asking a lot of weird questions. I had been using the same tinfoil for two weeks. And one day, just like every other day, I decided to walk in, and here I had it set up in my kitchen. And as I'm walking through the door, over the threshold into the kitchen, I see it, and it sort of turns to look at me. And it's happened more than once.
We use the same target for a long period of time, you can tell what you want to do before you want to do it. Which is relates to time and how we think of time. Because sometimes it knows what you want to do before you even think, "I'm gonna sit down now and practice this thing." We just look at it, and it ensures. Because something also releases the difference between a conscious mind and the subconscious mind. It can pick up on what you're subconsciously wanting to do, where your subconscious knows before you consciously know what you want to do, and it responds to that.
Also, it'll mess with our ego a lot. Because you could spend 20 minutes trying to make it move, and it doesn't move, it doesn't move, and these, "Okay, I'm done for the day." And you start standing up to move away, and it starts turning like crazy. So in a way, it's like your miniature spiritual teacher telling you to get over yourself. It can do that.
And then when you are strongly entrenched with the object, which can happen in about an hour, depending on your state of mind, you can't change the speed and direction of it using the breathing technique. Because as we know from every spiritual tradition in the world, the way we breathe affects our energy, whatever energy means, and our energy affects our consciousness, whatever consciousness means. So we can measure changes in the effect based on changes in our breathing and our level of consciousness. So as I remember this on the plane home, I started to breathe a sigh of relief. But then I was still so scared that I didn't touch her for a few weeks, until the last week.
Which brings it back to that night. I was driving and being scared in the ocean as a child, praying, praying for something to happen to save us. And I wonder, you know, maybe that was just the natural waves of the ocean. With it, maybe there's something a little extra happening. If there's always something a little extra happening in life, of course. Maybe there can be nothing happening sometimes, too. Overstressed, no, don't you just don't give two hoots about something, or whatever. There's always possibilities there. And some things are hard to catch. But when you do PK enough, you start to see little hints here and there in your life. You didn't make something happen you wanted. Maybe something you didn't want. How many stories have I heard about people getting angry and the light bulb in the room exploding? There's something like that, where the computers are burning out, right? We are so connected in ways that we don't understand. And this type of PK, for everyone, is a way to really give you direct access and show you that you are more than just a physical being. And then life really is sacred in some way. You're influencing the object, but you're also influencing the inside. Now you realize that the object moves up here first. That's right. Okay. Yeah, thanks for saying that.
It is a chicken or the egg kind of an issue. And, you know, the thing about, there are a couple of things. You serve it. Why I had a meltdown about it. It's just, there's a whole psychological thing about PK, about any second experience. And it has to do with survival, I believe. Like, what if I, if it turns out that I've been lying, or if I'm fraudulent? There's a threat of being ostracized, right? Which is, as humans, we know that to survive, you need to live in groups. And to be cast out from your group means certain death, at least a hundred thousand years ago, did, right? So here I am, thinking, "Oh my god, and whatever I was presenting, it's wrong, and I'm gonna be cast out from whatever this..." You know, it's in our DNA, right? Like survival, acceptance. Anyone here been to therapy? And you know the importance and the value of acceptance. And somehow we seek acceptance, sometimes excessively. And then for me to just flop over and go, "Okay, now I need to, I'm gonna go join the skeptics." I feel like I'm the guy who proved the PK didn't exist. And there I'll find my acceptance, my community, right? So I won't be cast out. There's a whole psychological dimension to this.
Thanks. To repentance. How does it? You know, I've asked people, if any of us are just us? My first teacher, like my Nintendo, and not seeing her. I mean, the list is long. We know footwork for the second I've ever in mind. Tentative inning is is not necessarily here because the energy increases inversely with the square of the business. Full stopping. You can't do that for the brushes. Does it have to be left over in a, no, over 70% here versus dark energy, dark manually, which means we don't know what it is. And he's like that. So it can't be energetic necessarily. And boosting us back 5,400 miles away. And the students, exactly. I was like, you can't, you know, Jack. There's mine. Yeah, it's great. Because now when I teach the classes, I'd say, "Okay, we're going to use the word energy, but that's just a placeholder. I don't know what energy is in this context. I don't know if energy is at play in this context. I don't know how this works." And I love saying that. I don't know how PK works. Sort of liberating to say it works. There's a technique that, or know-how.
The interesting thing is, Marnie, in your presentation this morning, you mentioned Chi and prana and all those words for energy. And in Chinese medicine, or the Chinese tradition, Chi actually is defined in different ways. It can be heat, it can be blood, it relates to saliva or other fluids, electricity. So Chi, or the word energy, means so many things. And I think so many things more that we have yet to discover with the rational mind. The thing about this is that's interesting. I think about this with the auto body experience too, is that we try to figure this stuff out rationally. If I kind of catch mosquitoes with a butterfly net, it's just the wrong tool. Okay. Somehow we need non-physical tools that are reliable for non-physical study. State-specific research is one way to label that. So there's a lot not to go. And it's bad. Luckily, little other things like these cheap EEG machines, or opening doors. And I'm sure they're nice for EEG machines that would reveal a lot more.
Any other questions? We've got a correlation with Qigong. And the second question is, when you pop things, start happening, people that we're praying for for healing? Mm-hmm. Absolutely. So I'm going to start with the second question, and then maybe you can remind me the first one. But there's definitely a correlation also with strong positive emotion. This has happened spontaneously and also in teaching classes where the object is moving at a certain speed, or it's having difficulty. And this happened to me. I know in January, I was working with some people that are getting some stuff on video for a movie that's coming out. And I started thinking of my wife, and this nice memory. And at that moment, the thing burst into movement. And the person I was teaching across the table, she started thinking about a positive memory, and the thing first and the movement for her too. Few weeks ago, I was part of an energy healer study. And the method that I was using for that was to generate immense feelings of love using music in my head. What's interesting is there's some, someone outside the room monitoring the situation. And out of the room, the whole environment was quiet. And at one point, after one of the sessions, she said, "And I keep hearing music. It's a lot been like blaring this inspiring music in my head to generate that heart feeling." And that's what I do to the clients. And then there are physically measurable effects that I can't disclose them. The study is still ongoing. And then the first question you had, Qigong. Absolutely. When I, when I teach the classes, frequently the Qigong practitioners in the class let me know that they're Qigong practitioners, and they consistently perform better than average. And there's one exercise, there's this one where you're just rotating your hands up and down, you know, and just breathing in accordance with it. And you really start doing the microcosmic orbit of energy in the body. And I got that one on video too. And then the object really starts responding to that. So I think anyone who does internal energy work definitely has a leg up on this. And anyone who meditates as well. And of course, it's all connected. Because if your energy is flowing well and smoothly, you're able to relax to a deeper level. And vice versa, you can relax, and your energy flows better too. That is related. It's just a different aspect of the same thing, applying it in a different way.
That is a great question because that lets me say something I haven't said yet. Has that? And it's just a theory. But it's the information theory. You know, some people propose that what's behind all of the psychic phenomena is called super-psi. This is over, it's over everything. This psychic informational connection that we have. So maybe PK is precognition. And maybe remote viewing is, you know. And maybe it goes deeper into that. But what's, what could be happening to produce the movement inside the glass containers? Energy or information transfer? Where we're sort of reprogramming reality in a different, in that environment. Does that make sense?
Second question I had is, if you were familiar with the time that Ingo Swann was able to connect with the object that was electromagnetically shielded. And just in comparison, you know, how that informed to place comparison to what's that differences? Well, I think PK can happen in different ways, which is not a bold statement to make. What I have no idea how PK works. But I think there are different ways that that can happen. So for looking at a crossing through an electromagnetic barrier, it could just be again, information transfer. Because then there is no barrier. If we're looking at, I think Ingo Swann also did experiments raising the temperature of fluids in a bottle or changing the temperature. And at that point, is there actually energy going from one location to the next? Or again, is it just energy transfer? And back to your first question, that's where it connects with remote viewing. That remote viewing is information transfer, right? Just, just as a loose theory. I don't know.
Hi, we've been smooth last year in a sushi restaurant downstairs. To the, I did in the Delta State. Might actually just be more reflective of you entering into a calm and a state that frees you personally. And for specific types of people, especially coming from the meditation training, that brings you to a calm state where your age focus your attention. But other people might be better able to focus their attention in other states. So it's not the Delta State that facilitates the effects. It's actually your ability to filter out distractions. Rage can focus your attention to the exclusion of any other interests or thoughts. And I've soaked in slacks. So can last. Something joy. But my happiness, right? So if you're doing happy days, then you're not as effective. Not badly. Even though here's my least popular obstacle. When you have a shirt of joy, that's that'll work because it really excludes all the distractions. I'm wondering if, although I think that the work looking at the Delta wave effects make it very useful for some individuals, as Bryan Avenue, I'm wondering if that's, you know, hot, maybe one down wrong, because it's a side effect of something else. And so then you're putting that as a cause. And you make expecially then the office getting the actual cause. Or they may be more powerful. Because if you want rage, let's say you're talking about will hang out, labeled that may be something you're not my speed. And Delta way, you're not a state, right? But you might have more powerful facts. So it might actually be looking at how do we get into the focus with abstractions, however you get into that state, whatever in motion, rather than trying to find it necessarily by calm serenity. Yeah.
I know that's a really, really important statement that you're making. Because it relates to future research for sure. And it also prevents this becoming dogmatic or like this could be a religion in ten years, right? You don't have to meditate to do this. It's really about finding what is that thing? What, what gets you there? It might not be meditation. The thing about meditation that I like is its gentle. Most people can learn how to do it. It feels good when you do it. So it has some nice health benefits too. And it's easily reproducible. You can meditate ten times in a row and get the effect 10 times in a row. But that's just one factor. What if we ignore that from long ago? What really makes it happen? Intense joy, intense rage can make it happen. The point of orgasm is a point of focus. Or post-orgasmic effect when our oxytocin that's flowing and all the other relaxing hormones and neurotransmitters are flowing. Other things I can tell you, if you have two glasses of wine, you can still do it a little bit better.
Wow. Last year, I was at a conference in Laughlin. It was actually a UFO conference. And I met these two, this nice young couple from Europe. And they had bought a joint and they invited me to smoke a joint with them. And I'm not a, I'm not a pot user. But I thought, "When in Rome." And so I went outside with them and had a few years. Ahh, please join me. I'll tell you, marijuana today is different than when I was in college. Cuz I'm soon. They went on their own way. And I was like, "Great, I'm high. And what am I gonna do when I find my way back to my room?" And I mean, the walls and the floor were, wait. I was like, "Did I smoke mushrooms?" Cuz that's sort of what it feels like. But I thought, "Now I know what I can do." First, I'm gonna eat this ice cream. But I, bye. Thank you, sir. And then I brought a jar with a glass container with me. I'm gonna try PK while I'm high and see if I can still do it. But my thing was moving really well. I just don't know if it was really moving or finished my. But I think there's something really important in your question about, please sit down. As a society, to study PK, we have to be willing to look outside the box. And not just go, "Okay, everyone meditate. That's all we're going to do is meditate. Make it happen that way." No, we're gonna meditate, or to try a different emotional processes, different cognitive processes. Because sometimes, I mean, the one technique that, that I teach is it's called the refrigerator technique. When you're trying to do it and it's not working, you imagine going through a kitchen, opening a refrigerator, and taking a stock of what's in your fridge with your conscious mind. And then it starts to move. Because you got your big fat ego out of the way. And there's something there about who's in here and who's getting in the way. And who are you really? When that other part leaves the room. Okay.
Since we're in a casino, how do you use your skills on the machines? I took the class way back in the late 80s with this guy who was great at spoon bending, and forks and knives. And we all came down here and actually saw him locked up with the monarch bandits where it would stop. Were you referring to Joe Gallenberger? Is I believe you took the workshop with? So well, these days, you can hang out with someone. And Joe Gallenberger is the author of a book called Inner Vegas. And he's written a couple of books, actually. And he also teaches out of the Monroe Institute. And he takes people to Vegas and teaches them how to use PK for craps and other things. And at a conference here last year, he popped in to the SOC conference and he gave some tips. And I used one of them that night, or the next night. I was walking around the casino floor, using my body as a dowsing tool, just trying to feel my way and see which machine called me over to it. And just a few minutes later, I find myself thinking on two rows down, "That one looks like it was winking at me." So I went over and dropped a couple quarters, and I won $70. That's okay. Joe, thank you. And one thing happened about a year or six months ago. I was up in a casino in Colorado, or Feta. I got some time. I'm gonna try this out again. And I walked around the whole, the casino town. It's very small. They're Black Hawk. That's the name of the city. Find myself walking into a casino. Actually had to go to the bathroom. So it's just like a finished bathroom. And they started walking the casino floor again. And this was 11 o'clock in the morning. There's barely anyone there. I feel called over to a machine. And I walk over to it. And my bill ready, had to stick in that thing. But then I saw there was a $50 credit on the machine. I didn't even have to spend money. I just pushed the cash out ticket, went to the cashier, got $50. And I drove home. So, you know, that, you know, is that that may not be PK. That might be precognition. That might be other sources of other types of information gathered psychically. But um, dad back to that night when I won the $70. I also played blackjack that night. And there I was sitting with some people from the conference there. And one of them started asking me about my teaching activity. And PK's nice, but my real passion is teaching. Whatever it is, I could teach you to tie your shoes. And I derive joy from that. And I was feeling really happy talking about teaching with this person. And I realized I was winning hand after hand after hand, maybe 15, 20 minutes later, he leaves. So I stopped talking about teaching, and I started losing and playing at about a random level of success. Right? So there's something, and this is what Joe Gallenberger teaches also, an acceptable bending of the heart, big heart space helps with PK. Dose of intentions and expectation and effect, things like that.
So we have a question from the webinar. So Eagles lungs, he could have as far as successes the PK and he was genuinely interested in the mechanics and structure on an object such as the nanometer quark detector. And us or I also experiment in marginal effects until he decided he really didn't know the internal workings of a thermometer and decided to just tune into it quietly, which is when he had his biggest effect. So I'm wondering if you've had examples like this moment, not just a relaxation, but deciding to tune with local perception to an object or at least a strong curiosity about how something works while intending to have it so. Yeah, that's a great question. And, you know, as I mentioned earlier, trying to move the toothpicks.
Schad, look at the webinar screen. Hi, webinar question. A movie. The toothpicks. I was really trying to use a little bit of remote viewing to look into the cellular structure of the wood. And that's when I would start moving. But I think there's something important there about Ingo's interest in the device that he was trying to influence. That there needs to be some sort of desire at a deep level in order to produce an effect. One thing that happened maybe about three years ago. I had done the same time to PK for so long. And eventually, even when I would sit down and do the technique, and it wouldn't move, over and over again, it wouldn't move. And I was bored. And I sat down with the intention to do it. Everything was there. I'm sitting down, I'm doing my technique, during my breathing, I'm relaxing, and it's not moving. And I looked deep, deep, deep down inside my psyche and realized that the flame was not on. Deep, deep, I wanted it. I needed to know it. It was my subconscious self, my non-ego self, maybe my beast self, was nobody satisfied. I had found the answer that I had been looking for. It's like, "Why are we doing this again? Do we do something new? I'm dying to be finished with PK because I love to play the piano." Actually, that's it. It's a personal admission there. But, but I love teaching PK. So I won't get it up.
I have a very successful paranormal show. I talk a lot and I give a lot of my experiences. I've had over 100 different experiences in my life, ranging from keys moving indoors, clock arms moving, floor lace mayor cycling around in front of me. I could go on and on and on with the types of experiences I've had. So my question to you would be this: How do you know if it's PK versus something truly paranormal? Because I have been, you know, passionately talking to the world about paranormal. And if I'm doing this myself, just to give you one little tiny example, thousand Zak Bagans' Haunted Museum here in February. And I was attacked psychically. And it was kind of a bad scene. But in the puppet room, when you're talking about things moving and watching you and turning in your direction, there is actually a puppet that was watching me and following me in that room. And I knew it was something. I could tell it was paranormal, and I could tell it was me. But what's your employed or what's your thoughts about how you differentiate between if it's PK or if it's really paranormal? Well, thanks for ruining my sleep tonight.
There's something interesting about, you know, the doll was looking at you or moving in a certain way. You're not sure if it was you or not. The interesting thing about this type of PK that I teach is maybe the, maybe it may be, let's just say this random heat in the beginning that's moving the object. But you believe that it's you doing it. And then you actually do it. So again, back to the chicken or the egg thing. That was something that's happening with your interaction with the environment. You can't quite tell. Is it paranormal or is it, or is it you? So it's just tough to tell.
One question for you. Have you ever had a UFO sighting or an encounter with one of those types of beings? Oh, she cleared her throat. Here we go. [Music] Actually, I have one. I was standing in my room last night, looking out the window, talking to my husband. And I say, "Gee, wouldn't it be interesting if we could ever go over to this mountain? Because I'm sure there's a, there's a UFO sitting there waiting to find me." But I was just thinking that last night. Okay. Well, I'm just wondering if you maybe you have had one. And just on knowing. And the reason I say that is if anyone reads Marie Geller's biography, either by him or by Andrea Poha Rich Alec. Andriy has better. It's a little more detailed. Talks about what happened to early. A lot of people think we're he's bending the spoon on his own. But in both books, it talks about where he says, "This isn't really me. This is that." And he had an encounter in childhood. And that's when he would start changing that hands on clocks spontaneously. Everything happened. And he says there was of them. And what we do, this type of PK that I do, is just what anyone can do. So what might differentiate what I do versus what you've experienced? It might be that extra, extra external influence from some other, again, see far, far away. Who knows? It means something to consider. And I take it seriously. Thank you. First of all. [Music]