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And I passed through some sort of veil is the best way to describe it. Like a a shimmery kind of wall which is another dimension to me and I go to another planet. She turns to look at me and her eyes are like looking into the Caribbean Sea on a sunny day. It's absolutely stunning. She looks human but is blue. She's bald and she's very um she has a very small body. So her head is a little more elongated than ours with a larger forehead, very small chin. And as I'm looking at Earth, I'm experiencing these different potential futures for Earth.
>> Did you get a sense of one being the most likely future?
>> Yes, the one that I shared that we go to work. And here's the thing that I need to share with you today. This is a message from the other side. This is Beyond with Heather Tash, where we examine near-death experiences and life itself, hopefully making this life a little better. Hello everybody. Welcome and welcome to my guest Angela Harris. Hello Angela.
>> Hello Heather. It's so nice to be here today.
>> It's so wonderful to have you. I'm really excited to talk to you. one because you are such a big part of the Ian's organization, the International Association for Near-Death Studies, and I've seen you so much there and we say hello, but we really haven't had a chance to talk. So, I'm so excited about that. And then also, I'm excited to have you here because your near-death experience is pretty mindblowing. I love when people see future events or potential future events, which you did. You also saw beings from other planets, which I just think is so incredible as well. So, I know my audience is going to love hearing from you. So, just jump on in, give us a little background, and then go right on into your near-death experience.
>> Okay, I will. uh in 2015, so it's uh this year is my 10-year deathversary, um I was having a special medical procedure called a tilt table test. And basically, it's just a test where they strap you down on a table, you can't move, and you're supposed to try to not pass out. And I I passed that test with flying colors because I did more than just pass out. I actually died. And I had complete shutdown of my brain and my body. And as that was happening, my body went into seizures to try to revive itself. And then I immediately popped out of my body. I actually popped out of my body during the seizures. When I left my body in this out-of- body experience, I no longer had a body to navigate. So I could see wherever I put my focus and my focus when I left my body was on myself and I could see my face moving and then I saw my head drop. But as all of this is occurring kind of all at once, what I'm about to tell you in this room in a hospital, I was also hearing the doctor speaking, hearing my husband speaking who was there in the room with us and also hearing the nurse speaking. In addition to that, as I could hear them speaking, I could also hear what they were thinking. I knew what they were thinking. So, I had this dual um exposure to them through that. Uh, as I'm in my out of body space looking at myself, looking around the room, I'm also thinking about how I'm in this hospital and I was able to see everywhere that I had been coming in from going up the steps that we had come down for this room, the lobby, out on the street, the park next door. I could see people sitting on park benches walking their dogs. I went up over the hospital and was able to see the hospital from the top. I at the same time, so this is in the course of well I was gone for about 30 seconds before I woke up. So if I had to do that with my eyes and just even thinking about it, it takes almost that long. So that's an expression of how this is all very simultaneous. So at the same time that I'm seeing the park and the hospital and the people in the room, I'm also moving backwards towards the corner of the room, the upper what in orientation to my body would have been the left hand side of the room or just over the door that we had come in. And as I'm moving backwards, experiencing all this stuff, I'm having this enormous feeling of love washing over my lack of body because I didn't have one. But that's what it felt like to me. It felt like I had a body and it felt like my body was filling with this beautiful love. And at the same time as feeling this love, I'm having this recognition that without the body that I had been in, there's no pain. And I had been in a lot of pain previous. And so it was just such a relief. And I'm approaching this corner and I'm feeling this black space opening up. And as I'm approaching it and I can feel this movement even though I don't have a body I feel movement and I start turning and I enter the tunnel and as I'm entering the tunnel and within it I start to turn and as I'm turning I'm noticing that there is some aspect of light within this black space. It's like when you look at velvet. All that is very soft and shimmery in the right lights. That's how the wallsish, if you will, looked in this space. So, one would assume there must have been a light source somewhere. They say we're light bodies. Perhaps it was me. I'm not sure. I didn't take notice of that. And as I'm in this space, so I'm I'm going backwards and I'm turning. I'm noticing there's an a person next to me and this person is someone that has been with me my whole life. In fact, the conversation that I was having is with her. It was just a continuation of the conversation I had been kind of having in my head, right? As we think to ourselves. and she is there to help guide me to take me to where I'm going to. And there's recognition there as I see her that oh my gosh, you know, I know you, you're Melanie. This is wonderful. It's so great to be back with you. And we're moving forward this whole time together. No floor, no semblance of walls, no ceiling, but I'm still seeing the shimmering and we're moving. And as we move forward very, very quickly. There's a light ahead and it's a pin prick light. And this light grows very quickly. And as we approach it, we enter like when you're entering a subway station. the light kind of came over us rather than entering. That's the best way I can explain it. Perhaps one could consider was it moving towards us just as we were moving towards it, expanding towards us. And I enter this room and within it it's just white again. no true expression of a floor, a ceiling, or walls, but there's white all around. And it is a very bright white light, but still I'm able to see. I if I had eyes wouldn't have been squinting them. And my family is waiting there for me. family, friends. As far as my lack of eyes could see, as far as I was recognizing, I could see and feel farther into the space that there were so so many people or souls there to greet me as I was coming home. And that's something that has been with me since the start of this NDE. That that's home. As soon as I left my body and that love feeling started, that love feeling is the feeling of home. And so I'm entering the space and this feeling of love and home is just growing and expanding. And I had a beautiful set of moments in that particular part of my NDE which was a little bit like life review an individual life review with each person. So I was able to hug these family members and friends who had come to greet me. And when I hugged them I felt them. They were embodied in a way in their body. And even though I had left my body back on Earth, I had arms to hug them with. And when I would hug them, we would immediately start sharing our memories. So it was a complete meld of like if you think about um is it Star Wars I think where they do the mind meld. It was kind of like that where we would hug and I would remember a very special memory with them. Really everything, all of my experiences, but it would focus on one particular special time. And um one of them was with my grandmother. She she was a big baker. We would go up there. We lived a few states away and we would travel up there and um it was always for holidays like Thanksgiving or Christmas and we would arrive late at night and she had this kitchen bar and the bar would be stacked Heather stacked. When I say stacked I mean like pie on top of pie, cookies on top of cookies, multiple cakes, all of it. And it was one of those beautiful things to see as a kid. Not just to arrive and have your family there and you know you're getting all the hugs and there are those warm moments. But every year she spent clearly I didn't appreciate when I was a kid cuz I didn't know. But now I look back on it and I say to myself, good grief, she had to spend days baking. That's how excited she was to see us. And that was one of the memories that I shared with her. I don't think I expressed it quite as much then, but in that moment, she was able to feel how much that meant to me that she was putting all that love into this family gathering. And then I was able to feel her side of it, which was that she wanted to provide and give and be supportive, but living so far apart wasn't able to be there on those day-to-day bases. And so this was one of those ways that she was able to do that for me and for all of my cousins. So it's really beautiful. And then another memory that I shared was when I hugged my uncle Roy. I always find this one, I think, the most expressive of what it's like for these life reviews, if you will. It's um more expressive and emotional and expansive than just seeing it. So, I'm in this other dimension hugging a soul that was embodied as my uncle. And we share this memory of a summer day in Michigan. They owned a farm and the barn was behind me. It's one of those classic red barns. And I can smell the hay. I can smell the warm grass around me. I can hear the goats scratching on the wood because they really like to climb it, try to get out there. They did the um special fancy chickens cuz they did 4 and so those really pretty fluffy chickens are running around and my uncle we were having a barbecue and my uncle had gotten a new motorcycle and he wanted to take me for a ride. He thought it would be fun. And when I was young and in the actual moment, not in the life review, I was hesitant. It was scary to me, the thought of getting on a motorcycle and having really nothing keeping me on it except clinging to the person in front of me. And um but I felt like I needed to say yes cuz I could see and intuitively feel that he really wanted me to go. And so we got on the motorcycle and they looked at the top of the hill and he turned and went down the hill. So, in this moment on the other side where I'm having the life review, not only am I feeling the sun on my back, I'm feeling the heat and the vibration of the motorcycle, the sound, you know, they're very loud, the noise of it, the wind on my face. Right now, I'm even in my own memories on that road in the dappled sun with the trees overhead kind of making the tunnel that you drive through that's so beautiful. And he could sense that I really was pretty apprehensive at this point and was not enjoying the ride as much. I mean, it was beautiful, but also very scary for a young girl. And so he turned around and we went home and we shared those emotional feelings of, you know, my apprehension, his desire to give me something fun and new and then kind of that flip in his feelings of intuition and knowing this isn't working and responding so lovingly. It was a really eyeopening moment to me. I've come back and spent time with that and thought about, well, what does that mean? What can I do with that as a human? And here's what I come away with. I think it's different for anyone who hears this, but it's that we're having these thoughts. We're having these feelings. And as humans, we're taught to not talk about them when really we should be. It's it's good to share even when it seems I mean, we don't want to be abusive. That's not what I'm saying. You should not be abusive and nor should anyone be abusive to you. But sometimes it's good to say, you know, I'm apprehensive about this. I'm not sure how I feel about this rather than just going along like I did. So that's that's a good thing to take away from that for me. And as I'm in this space and it's all happening very quickly, like I said, I was on this side in this time frame was only gone for about 30 seconds. I did all that while I was on the other side in this other dimension. And then additionally, I realized that I was kind of on a border. This is something that happens with um some NDEs. You encounter a border that you can't cross. And so, you know, maybe I was in in heaven's waiting room, but there was no physical barrier. It was one that I just I felt and I knew. So, I was able to walk up to my family, but I couldn't walk into the crowd of people. They came to me and that space that I was in was kind of like a um home base for my entire NDE. So, during my NDE, I hadn't really come to a full realization that I was dead on Earth. But after I finished with my family or somewhere in there, I really it really started to come home to me. And as I kind of left my family, I realized I was in this space where I'm thinking about, okay, I think I'm I think I'm dead on the other side. And as soon as the thought even comes to me, the answer is there. So I have to fully express it so that everyone here can hear it. But there you don't have to do that. I would think the thought and the answer would come. So I'm going through the process of okay so I'm not alive on the other side. What does that mean? How are my family members going to do with this? What's going to happen to them? and a hole every time I would think of them would open up in the side of this white cloudy cottony space and I was able to see them. So, um, whenever I would see them, I would see my husband, I knew what he was thinking. He was in the hospital room. He was pacing back and forth just thinking, "What am I going to tell the girls? What I'm going to tell the girls?" It was a loop in his mind. And then when I would see my kids who were in a different location and had a different portal through which I would see them, I would see them in these two different ways. And it would happen every single time I would think about them while I was there. that when you take a light switch and you flip it on and off at about this speed, it would flip between as they were then and who they are coming to be. Not quite even there yet. And I never really even I never talked to them about it. I talked to my husband about it, but I didn't talk to my kids about what I saw. So, I saw my oldest child, Lily, sitting on the floor holding on to Caroline and kind of hugging her and, you know, just making sure everything was okay. And as I would look at Lily, I would see a grown man in jeans, a t-shirt, with a beard, and a mustache. And I knew, oh, that's Adam. And this is what has come to be. So Lily has transitioned to Adam, graduated from college, is doing very, very well. Sister Caroline, I saw her in a white lab coat and she wants to be a sports medicine MD and is pursuing that. So, and we had little trickles along the line as well. So there's the ability to really see the future there. And I'll talk about that again a little later. So that's just like a moment of this portal opening up. There's all of this revelation and realization of what's going to happen in the future with my kids. And I'm seeing, okay, they're going to be successful. It's like the roots of a tree. I would look at them and I would see these potentials for them. Okay, so let's take Caroline. She wants to be a sports medicine MD. She chooses to do that. That's a big choice. There are lots of little choices along the way. And I would see the little choices and she would go off in this direction and then these options would open up and she'd choose that one and then other options would open up and it was just the potential was enormous and incredible and seems impossible from a human standpoint. So what does this mean? Well, it tells me that we have free will. If I'm seeing their futures branching out and they're able to make these choices, but as they're approaching the choices, there's the choice right there. That's the key. Then we have some free will to diverge. And I have another example of that later. The choice of free will. So, as I'm looking at them and realizing, okay, I'm, you know, I'm not alive on Earth anymore and I'm here at home. Oh, it feels so good. You know, there's the release of the pain. The love is growing. I'm feeling this just river of knowledge that I'm standing in. It felt like standing in a river when you're kind of up to your waist and your hands are there and the water is flowing by and it's everything that I would want to know. I just even begin to consider thinking about it and the answer is there. And so I'm thinking about, wow, okay, I'm home. I'm an immortal multi-dimensional being. And as soon as that realization comes to me, I start going all these places. And one of the places I went and here's a directional thing. So I'm in this um waiting room for heaven, if you will. And I'm in this spot where I met my family, which is near the entrance. I go out the backside. So there are essentially like two other portals. So, I go out the back end of the room, if you will, that's like a hallway with my family on one side, me on the other, and then just going back. And I go out and I'm in what looks like outer space. So there are planets and stars and I am thinking you know or considering remembering I think remembering is the best word how I can live these other lives. I can live these other lives on earth. I can live other lives on planets that are not earth. and I go to a planet that I'm able to just jet right into. I come into a room and I see within this room. So, I can't really see the room's walls or anything like that. It looks black to me. Um, I'm considering doing a regression to see if I can remember more about that. But as I come into the room, there is a woman there. And she is blue. It's like a cool blue, that turquoiseish kind of color. And you know how when we look at each other, the light shines on the parts that are closest to you and they're a little more lit and then you have the shadows. So in the shadows, it's more of a cobalt blue. Very, very beautiful. And I come up over her shoulder. Pardon me. I come up over her shoulder and she turns to look at me and her eyes are like looking into the Caribbean Sea on a sunny day. It's absolutely stunning. She looks human but is blue. She's bald and she's very um she has a very small body. So her head is a little more elongated than ours with a larger forehead, very small chin, very small nose with limited turn to it. So very little shadow and mostly I'm just seeing the nostrils. Um very narrow neck, very small shoulders. And that's really all I remember is just kind of from the shoulders up. And as we look into each other's eyes, there is that deep deep knowing that that is me. That's me in there. Another maybe this soul at another time, but what I remember from that is the recognition that that's me now. that my soul is a part of a larger soul and that she is an embodied version of me of this aspect of my soul or soul I don't want to use family because here it has a different connotation so one of the um things I've shared before that came to me to try to explain this moment of recognition is like a Rubik's cube. So, you know, when you get the Rubik's Cube all mixed up and, you know, as a kid, I would just be like, I'm I'm done trying to get it back to the way it's supposed to be and you can pull off a piece and pop it off. So, it's like, okay, this soul is a piece that's popped off and her soul is a piece that's popped off. And the next entity I'm about to talk about is another soul that's popped off, but it's more like a piece of this one single soul, which is the whole Rubik's cube. And then that Rubik's cube is a piece on a bigger Rubik's cube, which would be more like your soul family. And then that soul family is a piece on a bigger Rubik's cube. And it goes on like that until you get to the full source of where we're from. So those little itty bitty bits keep popping off. So it's more like she's a part of my Rubik's cube, which I feel love when I say that, but it probably sounds a little bit strange to everyone else.
>> It actually makes a lot of sense. It helps me to visualize it.
>> Good. That's fantastic. And as soon as I come in over her shoulder and we look in each other's eyes and we have that moment of love and recognition, I am immediately moving backwards back into outer space. And I go jutting forward or away from where I had come from. And I pass through some sort of veil is the best way to describe it. Like a a shimmery kind of wall which is another dimension to me and I go to another planet and I do the same thing in the the same process but I see a different version of me a very different version of me. So, I think there was some logic to that that I saw a humanlike version of my self first cuz that was the kind thing for me to do for me or when when I say me to do for me, I mean me for to do to do for me, but I mean also the one that we are. And then I'm going in over this entity's shoulder, except this entity is what is described as a mantis being, but look more like an ant to me. So, um, a red ant. So, um, there's the elongated head. Um, the narrower nose where the mouth would be the mandible. big round eye that's like an overturned bowl. Very shiny. I can see light creating those little reflections on it. Very rich dark brown, blackish. Um, so antenna on top of the head, but also antenna between the eyes and the mouth, which was very cute. And even though I'm seeing this gigantic being that would terrify me if I had now even if I saw it in the front yard, I would think, "Oh, that's scary." My human would be scared. And then I would settle down into, "Okay, now I know what this is." But that's not how I felt in that moment. In that moment, I was feeling love and connection. Because as I'm looking at this big beautiful eye, the exact same thing happens as before where there's that recognition of, oh wow, this is me. Look at me. I am so beautiful in this amazing strong body. And I immediately start moving backwards. So this is like an ant. There's the thorax, the abdomen, the legs, everything was very antlike. And so I'm moving backwards and I go back to start in this white space and I'm still having these thoughts and I'm thinking about well you know not just what's going to happen to my family. pretty much every time I would go back to start, I would think about them and see them. Um, but I would think about, well, what's going to happen to Earth? And I rather than just having that knowledge come to me, I went out another portal, if you will, but this one was to the side. And so I go out this side door and I see I travel a ways and I see Earth. And as I'm looking at Earth, I'm experiencing these different potential futures for Earth, like with my kids when I would see my kids. And one of the potential futures I saw, I'm actually seeing aspects of now with politics across the globe that has to do with migration and how migration has created these situations of strife for a lot of people where you have people living in a country where they don't feel safe and so they move to your country and then they move into the housing and they get jobs and then you can't get a job and you can't pay for housing because the prices go up and it leads to a world war and it's in three stages the war that I saw where it begins. It's very devastating and then there's a little bit of a pause and then there's a second one which is even more devastating. there's a little bit of a pause and then there's the third and final aspect of that part of humanity which sounds scary when I say it that way but hold on don't leave this podcast yet. So the third one by that time there's very little population left on the planet. It's gone down dramatically. I feel like 15%. Um there's another person out there who saw more like 7%. And we moved back to a very um communal lifestyle. So what I saw is these very circular communities. You know, there's a lot of um cleaning up to do after the wars. So we make these uh kind of new cities but in similar locations. and we do everything for ourselves. So, we're living on a global economy right now and we can we we keep cars, we can still communicate by phone, we still have technology, not quite what we have now, but we do still have it. But instead of living on this global platform which you know is not very good for the environment and those people who survive recognize that we grow our food and we eat what's near us rather than importing bananas. We might like a banana but we don't import the banana because we know that is not what we should be doing. And we live with very little power. Um, and as I'm looking at this, I'm looking at one particular city in the location of Atlanta and I go down into this city and I'm able to be the shoe maker that's there. So, the shoemaker is a man and I'm in the shoe maker shop fixing someone's shoes and I'm feeling into that intuitively and knowing that there's a lot of pride there for caring for the shoe maker or pardon me caring the shoe maker caring for the community taking care of the community putting in the vital work that needs needs to be done to keep the community going, which is a realization that comes from having that tiny amount of people left on the planet that we're all there together and if we're going to survive, we have to support each other. And so I after seeing that back off of the planet and I go back to my home base again and I see my family there and I start to have there were some other things that occur but I'm going to go to the life review because I want to make sure I cover what I was talking about in terms of free will earlier. So, I go back to Homestart and I start have a life review that's more of the traditional life review. It's, you know, kind of a a movie screen for me, if you will. And everything is going by and I'm going to go right to one particular thing which pertains to the free will that I mentioned before. And that's um my relationship with my father who was abusive. I am in this moment in this life review seeing the things that were going on between my father and myself and my mother and that whole triangular relationship pattern and seeing within not just the behaviors that were happening and the choices that we made at the time, but also having access to the planning of this life. So we plan to come to this life together and my father wanted to well the soul that embodied my father is the best way to say it. The soul that embodied my father wanted to experience abuse and then try to break the cycle of abuse. but in this lifetime failed and was not able to do that. My job was to help him along with that. So to be the person who is abused or the person who helps him break the cycle of abuse, which I kind of did. So when I was young and have these memories and also I was his daughter and I was compliant and so I suffered abuse at his hands. What I saw during my life review is that that was something we agreed to and it sounds hard for a lot of people who are in abusive relationships. That is not what you want to hear and I'll talk about that in just a second. He had the free will to not abuse me, but he was so victimized by the abuse perpetrated upon him that he was living under this heavy veil that had been created by that and it was too hard for him to get out. I eventually did break the cycle of abuse of abuse by exposing him. But what I was also able to see is that you know in that moment of free will be him being able to say I'm not going to do this but instead choosing to do it me making a moment of choosing I'm not going to do this anymore and reorienting his path. We were serving each other in a very loving heavenly way because this was the path we chose from the other side. So why would you do something like that? Why would you bring yourself here to suffer abuse or to abuse someone else? Like knowingly going into it, I might abuse someone. This is why when you're on the other side, you're in heaven and you're planning these lives. You don't have any of this human stuff going on. You don't have these human emotions. You don't have this human body to feed and protect and keep safe. There's no time. So, when you're planning it and you're looking at it, it's to on the people on the other side, the souls on the other side, done in an instant. So it doesn't even take that long when you're looking at it from your heavenly aspect. So there's a whole other way of looking at it that makes it something that you would choose to do from the other side. That's that's how that happens from my experience on the other side. That was what I took away from that particular part of my life review. And I've found it very valuable as I've come back into this, you know, extension of my life to be able to look back on that and understand that suffering is something that we do for each other to help another soul grow. and learn. Again, being tolerant because you think, well, I'm suffering for this other person so they can learn and grow is fine, but we don't want to be the victims of abuse. That's that's not where we want to go with that. And then I also, you know, in that vein, I saw myself um I I find this particular part of my life review helpful as well where I was sitting in traffic. I mean, we all sit in traffic and I was waiting to turn left and it was a two-lane road. It was rush hour and so there's really no great way to make this left turn in an easy way because it's really just bumperto-bumper traffic and the people behind me. So I'm on the other side. I'm watching this happening and I'm thinking I'm frustrated waiting to turn left while I'm in my human body. But on the other side, I get to compound that because I'm feeling the frustration of everyone in the cars behind me who are waiting for me to turn left, who are like, just go, right? Just make the turn. And there's this little break. And so I pull out and I make the left turn. And then I get to uh feel all the feelings of the person that I cut off. you know, I'm try just trying to turn left to free up the traffic and to get myself home, but this person's not very happy about what I've done. And so takes that anger all the way home to his family and his family gets to enjoy that anger all night long. So that was an eyeopening experience for me as well. What did I learn from that? Turn right. Just just turn right. It's the easier thing to do. Go down the street, turn around. It makes it better for everybody. So, how do you apply that to the rest of your life? Well, you know, it's always good to just kind of stop and think about things. That's something I do more now. I really consider, okay, what are my options here? I seem to be in a bit of a pickle. I need to make a choice. Things are not, you know, splendid right now. What's the least painful thing for everyone involved? Not just me. Everyone involved. You know, my family, my friends, the people around me. If I'm out in public, just try to make it as soft and loving as possible, which is the one key theme that we keep hearing from all of these NDes and mine as well, is that here I am in this space for what felt like a very long time, even though I was only gone here on this side for 30 seconds. But again, on the other side, time's not the same. The love just kept building and building and building the whole time I was there. And I cannot wait. I mean, I will cuz I need to for everyone involved. Stay here. I won't exit early, but I really am looking forward to going home fully again and remembering what it feels like to be at the end of that blooming of love because it's got to be just absolutely stunning. So, I'm still here having my life review and my family is there. You know, I'm having the life review and I'm getting fully immersed in these memories, but I'm also still aware that I'm at this homebased location. My family is there. Melanie is beside me. And I'm watching the choices I've made in my life. And I'm thinking to myself, wow, you know, really didn't do as good as I wanted to do. For example, I wanted to speak up to my father sooner to help him correct that behavior rather than continuing in this abusive cycle. because he wasn't just abusing me, he was also abusing himself by reliving this behavior that he had learned. And I wanted as a soul and as a daughter to help him correct that and live a happy, loving life. And that was very hard to accept. I was still, like I said, I was in what seemed like a waiting room. I think I was still very much attached to my body even though I was there. And I was thinking about how well on earth what I learned is that if you make mistakes and you don't do a good job in your life, then you have to go to some sort of purgatory. And as I'm thinking it, because like I said before, it's more like you start to express the thought and the answer comes. So, I'm expressing this thought and Melanie is saying, you know, well, if you think that's what you need to do, we really think you should consider that. And at the exact same time, my mother-in-law walks up from behind me, kind of over my shoulder. I turned to look at her as she's saying to Melanie, "No, no, no. She can't stay here. She has to go home and take care of the kids." And I woke up on the tilt table. Just it was like it was if she had a mouth, which she did. I could see a mouth, but it was again more that expressive thought state coming the thoughts coming out of her towards Melanie. And I wake up on the tilt table. So I wake up I wake up on the tilt table and I was devastated. I had just been home. It was comforting. It was loving. I was remembering all of these amazing aspects of who we really truly are. And I just closed my eyes. So I popped my eyes open. I saw a nurse standing over me with the paddles to shock me back to life and I just closed my eyes as tight as I could and I thought, you know what, if I close my eyes tight enough, I'll go home. I'll go back. I'll go back. I'll go back. And um obviously I didn't. So, um yeah, I sat up and the doctor was very upset that um I had been out for so long. Yeah. So, that's an overview kind of of my experience. Yeah.
>> Wow. I mean, it's it's just such a mindblowing experience. There was so much to it and it's incredible that it happened in such a short earth time, but there was just so much there. Oh, there's so many places I want to go. But since you just mentioned it, is purgatory a possibility for us then? And is it more of a learning place? And then of course, if you mentioned purgatory, what about hell?
>> Yeah, that that's a great question, Heather. No one's ever asked me that before. And that's the importance of Melanie being there and having that moment of well, you know, if you think that's something you should do, then you know, we we really would want to talk with you about that and have you consider that. And as she's saying that, I'm seeing what my version of purgatory would be. And that's the key there. my version of purgatory because what I knew in that moment is that this is something we create for ourselves where when you go if you go to a hellishlike place it's of your own creation so what you would see there would be what you would need or expect to see in a hellishlike place and that's what we're finding a lot with people who do have distressing near-death experiences. Their common thread is to express that this is an aspect of humanity. It's a cultural aspect. So then when we go and we have these NDEs and we're still somewhat attached to our human selves like I was, we're still thinking a little bit from the human standpoint. So since you're not fully home yet, you're still putting yourself self into scenarios that are humanlike. Something else that I found so fascinating was that you traveled to these other planets and you saw other aspects of yourself. I was curious when you connected them, you described what you saw with both of them. Did you get a sense of personality at all? You know, were they loving? Were they warriors? That that type of thing?
>> Yes, I did. As I was in their space with um the blue lady, female. I mean, there was nothing that told me that that being is female. It's a feeling that I got. The face had a softer look to it, not a big strong jaw like you'd see here on Earth. But we could reasonably expect that that may not be the big strong jaw may not be the case for every type of beings across planets who may have opposite genders like we do. So I felt this female presence and a very strong intelligence which especially was expanded when we locked eyes if you will even though I didn't have a body. I like to point that part out. So how was that happening? That's pretty amazing. And then I felt as well that this person was a, you know, a person just like not especially important, not especially doing anything that was like super fantastic. But when I saw the mantis being there were actually these black um leather like I don't know what they were made out of but it looks like leather on earth black um scales not the ant itself but like clothing on the head and then on the abdomen and thorax strapped on with a a band and then there was an edge to it. So like if you had these big plates like plates of armor and there was an edge to it and then it was curved on the bottom for fitting onto the mantis being itself and then like these ridges inside of that border space and then just stacked with the point pointing away from the head down the back. And yes, there was a very strong military presence. You know, I talked to my friend Chris Okconor about this. He has some experience, much more experience than really anyone I've ever met when it comes to these topics. And he said that that makes complete sense because there are a police type presence across the galaxies which just so much aligned with it made me feel like okay so yes you know what I'm feeling and bringing back with me there's truth to it when I start to talk to other people and tie the ties I know it is within me as a belief But how powerful to hear these other people saying the same thing
>> if they were policing I hate to put in terms of good guy and bad guy but did you feel
>> that he was a positive force and I say he I'm not sure if it was a he but
>> yeah yes I definitely yeah not militaristic as in conquering but militaristic as in um protecting serving Are the beings more advanced and are the beings aware of us on Earth? Yes. Yes, the beings are more advanced and um in the recognition of everything when I looked in their eyes, I could see within their reflection back to me that they knew I'm I'm an earthling at that time. Even though I had left my body on Earth, they knew what aspect of the soul I was. And there was a little bit of pity there like oh well you are on earth and wow you know like hey girl we've got you can do this. So yeah they they did.
>> I don't know if you know this but did you feel that they had ever interacted with us on earth that they had been here?
>> I didn't I didn't come back with any memory of that just that they knew they know about Earth in those particular planets. Yeah. So that would mean then that they must be traveling to see us, right? That's the indication there. The other thing that I always am intrigued by is when people say that they've seen potential futures. You mentioned this war and I was curious who's fighting the war because if people are coming in and looking for a new home, they don't necessarily have the resources. So, was it a couple of countries? Was it a division of people that were fighting?
>> Yes. Um, we see and this is very interesting. So, at the conference this year, I met with someone in the community whom I know and he knows my story well. And we were sitting with um this particular person who saw everything as a tapestry and you know the threads are the these people and things that are happening.
>> James Get.
>> Yes. Yeah. It's incredible. Absolutely amazing experience.
>> I will put a link to his amazing episodes as well.
>> Perfect. Yeah, it's we're so we're sitting there having this conversation about childhood experiences and he was talking about how the population dwindles down to about 7%. And my other friend said, "Oh, Angela saw that too." And I was then sharing about these wars that are occurring. And it was such a beautiful moment to connect like that. And as I'm sharing, this friend says, "Oh, and last night, did you see that these leaders got together?" So the leader of China, the leader of Russia, you
know, this kind of triumphvirant grouping of uh leaders of countries that are, you know, on a different side of politics than we are. That might be an okay way to say that. And um, that was one of the things I saw in my experience is that that's one of those key steps towards the war is that meeting between these particular powers. India joining in when previously they they wouldn't have. Some South American countries start to join in and it turns into this global political kind of war. Much more like the previous wars we've had than when you would have something more like, you know, the American Civil War where you had people in their homes going out and fighting. You know, the Revolutionary War, people were in their homes and they would go out and fight and defend their areas. You'd have family members that would go to war. It starts out much more than governments warring with each other and then it turns into just need. You know that a lot of cities are destroyed, people are hungry and so they start warring with each other. So it's a progression down until there's just a few people left. And that's interesting how the population drops. I was initially thinking you meant it goes down by 15%, but you're saying it is down to potentially 15%.
>> Yes, that's correct. I realize this is a potential future and we do have the power to change things. But did you see in this potential future who actually takes the first step to something more dramatic as far as war? And what did they do in that step? You know, was it a a bomb? Is what kinds of things are happening?
>> I did uh that's not something I really want to share with people. I think it could be upsetting for some people and you know blame could lead to you know I I think it's better left unsaid safer left unsaid. I did see that.
>> I totally understand.
>> Yeah. And you know we do have so many different potentials besides that one. You when I was talking about my children and how it was like the branches of the tree or roots under the ground whichever works better for you to envision it. Every decision we make is a decision because there was another option. It just matters which one do you take. And so listening to all of these people who've gone back to the other side, who are remembering who we truly are, are saying, "Always, always, always choose the path of kindness." Here's where the rub comes. We're all from different backgrounds and different experiences and different cultures. And so my idea of choosing the kind choice could be very different than yours just based on our backgrounds. And so that's where we really start to get into some interplays that are really difficult and can lead to situations which put us in danger.
I'm curious if you saw any kind of a time frame, how far out this possible future could be.
>> That's hard because it I was in a space where there is no time like there is here on Earth, but um you know, sitting here right now, I could say 200 years, but what I saw leading up to it, I'm already seeing happening. So, I don't know. I I can't say for sure. I think it's up to us. Um I also saw some futures for Earth which are very beautiful where we just don't go that direction. You know, this is a bump. And it's that ebb and flow yin and yang where you know we're kind of we make some strides. One step forward, two steps back, but it's more like one step forward, a half a step back. One step forward, a half a step back. And when I'm saying that, I'm referring to things like um human rights that we make a step forward with human rights. People don't like that. They get someone into power that moves it back a little bit and then that gets forgotten and someone comes into power that's pro-human rights and then people don't like it. It gets moved back. So things like that are what occur and it's just and it is like a tide coming into shore and the wave is big when it's way out there which would be where we are now. And as we go into the future, there's the shore. And the wave dissipates and dissipates and dissipates and lands softly on the shore. And we all live in harmony for a while because we're human. And then we start to go through the same cycles again. So that's fun. Something to look forward to.
>> That darn humanness of us. Were there before I move on were there any other futures that you can share with us that you saw potential futures?
>> Yes, very normal futures where we continue like we are and it's just kind of you know technology and stuff like that advances. um yeah that one ended I mean didn't end but very similar so went towards a more very positive kind of future where AI and robots were actually very supportive and helpful and there was a lot of control over that whole part which seems so scary right now or at least the media tries to make it feel that way and then you know very normal lives there are still people who live in strife. In all of these situations, there are still people who have less and people who have more and it's all still very human. You know, there's still cliques and, you know, people gossiping and all of that. It was a part of every single thing that I that I saw. Yeah. Again, humans are going to human.
>> Yes. Did you get a sense of one being the most likely future?
>> Yes. The one that I shared that we go to war that that was the one that was the main line, if you will. Eventually, you and others say that we do build a beautiful community if that is the future that um occurs. What did some of the neighborhoods look like that you saw in the future after this warring takes place?
>> Yes. Um very uniform, so small, like I said, um everybody's serving each other well in the roles that need to be served. being supportive of each other. The future I saw everybody was wearing pretty much the same-ish clothing, you know. Um, well, there won't be any, you know, shopping at Alibaba or on Shein, so we can't go pick out that bright yellow blouse that matches the floral skirt anymore. We're making clothing out of what we have around us. So, um, yeah, the particularly the city near Atlanta that I kind of looked into, which would be the city nearest where I live now, which is interesting, which is not where I had my NDE, but yeah, it was just very uniform, I think, is the best way to describe it. that everything was very orderly, very tidy. And that really goes along with serving each other, you know, that you're trying to keep everything where it needs to be, as it needs to be. And you don't have if you're having to grow your own food and weave your own cloth and make your own clothes and you know tan your own leather for your shoes, you don't really have time for all the extra things that we have now which create clutter.
So I'm asking this because I believe I already know your answer but I know people are going to say why didn't you ask this? The city outside of Atlanta, is it a particular city you would name?
>> Uh, it would be about where Stone Mountain is located.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> I could keep talking to you for hours. Um, this is just such a fascinating discussion. Thank you so very much for being here today. uh your story is so compelling and you've got so much information to share and I really appreciate all the positive things that you are putting out into the world and also all of the work that you are doing with Ians. It's very selfless and I really appreciate that. And if um people want to connect, I don't know if you have a place to connect or if you'd prefer to send them to Ians. Um just share with us anything like that.
>> Yeah. So it's a very easy email address. It's Angela.org.
>> Perfect. If there's one thing that you would like to leave people with today before we leave, what would that be? This morning I did have something that I found that I wanted to share with you. Well, I didn't find it. It was actually given to me. So, I was meditating this morning and I have been um studying the Recognition Sutras by Christopher Wallace. And my process is just to you know do some physical kind of like qigong to connect to the other side and help the energy flow. Do a little bit of reiki work. I get some angel card readings from my angels. Melanie gave me a message this morning. My mother-in-law was there and she gave me a message this morning and a very nice hug and I was able to see their faces very clearly. It was really beautiful. And so then I went to the Recognition Sutras and just flipped to a page. I just said, "Hey, give it to me. what what should I be reading this morning? Pardon me. And this is what they gave me. And then after I read it and wrote it down, I was walking around in the house and I kept hearing them saying, "You need to share this on the podcast today because there's going to be someone listening." When I say someone, the number they give me is a hundred-ish people need to hear this. So, this is what I'm going to share with you today from the Recognition Sutras by Christopher Wallace. It's page 335. It's about contraction energy, which sounds a little bit odd, but stick with me. I think you'll come around to it. Contraction of energy. So like that energy that flows through us from the other side means becoming more conscious of it through the process of bending it back toward the center towards you. Right? So bringing it contracting your energy into yourself even as it is flowing out through the doors of the senses. In the first mantra of the fourth chapter of the Katha division of some of the Upanishads, I'm not going to go into that with you. It is taught and here's the thing that I need to share with you today. This is a message from the other side for people who are listening. The creator pierced us with outward-facing apertures. Therefore, one looks out not to the inner self. A rare wise man turning the gaze around looked inward to the self and tasted immortality.
>> So in some we need to start looking inward and one way I imagine we do that is through meditation. Is there any other way that you would recommend?
>> I think meditation is a wonderful way to do that and there are so many different ways to do meditation. I'm a mom. I do pretty much full-time work for Ians serving this community. I've got pets. I have a house to clean, groceries to get. I don't have time to sit still for eight hours opening up to the other side. That's just not something I can do. And I'm thrilled about that. I'm serving my family, my friends, my there's so much service going on in my life and I'm thankful for that. So instead, I meditate all day long. How do I do that? I just kind of get myself situated in the morning. Sometimes I have to get on an airplane and I don't have time to go and you know read the Recognition Sutras and pull angel cards. So instead I just sit in the airport for a couple of minutes or I sit on the plane for a couple of minutes and I just try to listen. Listen what's going on around me? What is humanity doing? What do I hear them doing? What do I hear from the other side? Do I hear messages coming in? You know, it doesn't mean that you have split personality. It's just you're hearing conversations in your head. What are those things saying? And what can that mean for you? Is it a message like this one given to you for you? Is it a message given to you for someone else that you need to share? And so you can then take that forward into your day. That wonderful I get a wonderful feeling of warmth and just carry it forward and give it out like candy on Halloween to everyone you meet. That sense of connectedness, that sense of kindness, that sense of love. Carry it with you and share it. Hold the door for people. Smile at that person in the grocery store who happens to catch your eye. Have a little bit of conversation with the butcher in the grocery store who seems a little lonely or maybe bored, things like that. So, what I do is not going to be right for everyone, but it's something it's an option I can share with you if you're not able to meditate frequently or at all.
>> Such great advice and I love your message about just spreading kindness. I think that is so so so important in this world and maybe that is what can move us in a better direction for our future.
>> Yes.
>> Thank you so much Angela. I have enjoyed this so immensely. I'm so grateful that you are here today.
>> Thank you Heather for letting me share with your community. I hope that it touches someone's heart and thank you personally for this time to just get to know you a little bit better to share a little bit of space with you. I hope you have a beautiful peaceful day.
>> I hope you do as well. Thank you. I have said this so many times before, but just when I think my guest can't get any better, along comes in this case Angela. Wow, her experience was so incredible. Just a tremendous story of her near-death experience and all of the multitude of things she experienced and in such a little bit of Earth time. I just found so many things that stood out to me. You know, she did talk about why we would come to Earth to face struggles and I thought she did a really great job of explaining that and so many of you asked that in the comments like I I would never come here. Why would I come here? So, she explained that really well. You may want to put your thoughts down on that. Something else you may want to comment on is the fact that she saw these beings from other planets and then realized that was her. And that was really interesting. And the way she explained the Rubik's cube, I thought was an interesting way to kind of get it understandable, at least for my mind. I also really appreciate when people talk about potential futures. And um it was really interesting the things that she shared. She did say after we were done recording that while she does see things moving kind of in the direction of the war or wars, she actually said that she also sees the opposite and there are a lot of positive steps. So she is very hopeful that is not the direction that we're going to take. So, I think the more of us that do listen to podcasts like this or other ones that are out there, you know, that are sending positive messages that show us to be more loving and kind. I think all of that is making a difference in this world. I will have information on Angela in the description. You'll also find a link there to all my past episodes, and I've had some really great ones recently, so please check them out. and also go back to the beginning if you're new here. So, so many just mind-blowing speakers that I've had come on here. I also have some great ones coming up. So, I certainly hope you'll come back. Remember, I drop new episodes every Thursday. And come looking for me. Don't expect YouTube to send it out. Even if you subscribe, even if you hit those alerts, they may or they may not. So, come looking for me each week at Beyond with Heather Tesh or use the link that I have in the description. Thank you everybody for being here today. Thank you for those of you that are supporting me with memberships. I really appreciate that. I have I have supporters and then I have super supporters. Um it's not that expensive for any of you that do want to join. Um it's just another way to support me, but as I always say, there's never an obligation. And I'm just grateful for those of you that come here week after week and that you also write a comment and give it a like. That's really important to me as well. Have a wonderful week. Take care, everybody. Thanks for joining me on Beyond with Heather Tesh. Please add comments and questions you'd like future guests to answer. Also, if you liked what you heard, please hit the thumbs up button and subscribe. That'll help keep this podcast going. You can also go to Beyond with Heather Tesh to look for more episodes.