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Here on my channel, we investigate UFO legacy programs, compartmented special access, unacknowledged special access, and controlled access programs. These programs are recessed to the darkest corners of the US defense industrial base and black budget carved out of traditional oversight channels that perform full spectrum recovery, storage, exploitation, derivation, and program protection of UFOs and technologies of unknown origin. This cadre of once unified programs galvanized under what we might call the quote unquote Manhattan Project 2.0 know now exists in scattered fieftdoms of siloed programs separated across agencies, offices, major armed forces departments and more.

Indeed, it appears that the UFO legacy program structure of today is actually a far cry from the stalwart legacy program portfolio that was established as earlier or even earlier than 1947 that featured strong direction and guidance from prominent figures like President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Though this web is more tangled and complex than a channel like mine can ever fully comprehend, we must still do our best. For all intents and purposes, the structure of UFO legacy programs over the past 80 years exists as a changeling, morphing and stretching to adapt to special access program reforms, creating cover programs and offices to enjoy ever-expanding secrecy in an ever growing complex world.

Indeed, it appears the last figure to command UFO legacy programs with an iron fist was the late Darth Vader himself, Dick Cheney. And this isn't just me saying this. Recently, David Grush discussed this himself.

"Uh >> I was just very disturbed uh to find uh how this was controlled. The self-licking ice cream cone, unaccountable. Everybody owns a piece. Nobody owns the outcome. And there's not really a mob boss. The closest person we got that uh I was aware of was unfortunately now deceased Vice President Dick Cheney. Uh Darth Vader himself. not shocking that he was involved in this and essentially when he left in 2009 that was the last time that these activities really had central leadership. >>"

Alas, due to this complexity and recent bizarre attempts to craft outwardly false UFO legacy program outlines pushed by figures like Louisa Alzando, I recently began illustrating a UFO legacy program outline that I easily visualize as a pyramid. At the top of this pyramid sits the ever amorphous UFO control group. A tenuous position or positions that was once ruled by Dick Cheney that I believe exists as a shell of its former self with maybe James Clapper being the only individual to come even close to holding command and oversight over numerous scattered and siloed programs.

Below the control group sits what I call UFO legacy program administrators. Various directorates, offices, and components within the US armed forces branches and intelligence agencies that operate an extremely strict yet strict chain of command to ensure maximum UFO legacy program security, protection, and oversight. And I seriously cannot think of any better project to learn more about what I just said than my recent Air Force project. And I highly recommend learning the phrase the quote unquote hidden wing and learn the name Terry Phillips.

Under the legacy program administrators sit one of my all-time favorite acronyms, FFRDC's or federally funded research and development centers. Government-owned, contractor operated, or GOCO institutions that allow legacy programs to utilize institutions such as the MITER Corporation, Aerospace Corporation, Rand Corporation, and DOE/NSA National Labs such as Sandia, Los Alamos, and Oak Ridge to operate as subject matter experts and R&D program aces within the legacy programs, serving long-term and specialized needs. Their program sponsor could not accomplish in house. I strongly believe this FFRDC layer of my pyramid exists to arbitrate knowledge and access to materials, craft and bodies to the lowest level of the UFO legacy program structure, defense industrial base contractors.

I have furthered this program structure by stating this legacy program framework is bound together by the US defense industrial base whose authoritative channels are often bypassed to allow UFO legacy programs to harness any US military and intelligence asset needed to accomplish these clandestine mission directives. Indeed, I have used analogy to liken the beautiful limestone casing that once protected the great pyramids of Giza to UFO legacy program structure. The limestone casing in our instance here is comprised of SAPS, CAPS, USPS, carveout contracts, program protection offices like the DARPA DID, AFOSIP, PJ and Terry Phillips, DOE, OICI, general counter intelligence, Shan Kirkpatre, etc. And again, I believe for the overwhelming number of legacy programs in existence today, this structure is extremely steadfast and strict. And the vast majority of these programs operate not without oversight like many would claim, but instead extremely rigorous and narrow chains of command and oversight.

But okay, any returning viewer to my channel knows all of this already. We talk about the legacy program structure at the beginning of nearly every single one of my recent videos. So why am I saying all this? I reference the complex evolution of UFO legacy programs and their rigid structures because I believe these concepts are largely uniform across these clandestine programs that are tasked with one or more elements of the retrieval, storage, and exploitation of nonhuman intelligence and technical vehicles. But, and this is a big butt, there seems to be one element involved in legacy programs that breaks this mold. An entity that should reside on the lowest level of the legacy program structure next to Loheed Martin, SIC, Battel Memorial Institute, and others. An entity that should largely be a cog in the program machine with only need to know personnel read into very specific compartments of these technologies of unknown origin focused programs.

This defense industrial base prime contractor has a very traceable evolution alongside the maturing and changing of UFO programs. A contractor whose acquisitions and senior members have direct ties to infamous UFO crash retrieval cases, expansion of special access program security mechanisms that I believe such programs morphed to take advantage of, and a contractor who's housed numerous individuals one might call UFO legacy program gatekeepers or senior personnel that I have both named before and further names I guarantee you have never heard of. This military-industrial complex staple has seemingly carved out its own slice of the legacy program pie. And thanks to recent statements by David Grush discussing elements of private contractors using IRAD aka independent research and development funds during the early days of the war on terror as the impetus for their own almost breakaway programs. Perhaps, just perhaps, we can isolate in on this specific contractor as retaining such quote unquote breakaway programs with loose to no oversight from their original government customer. And today, these programs in question appearingly operate at nondescript or closed locations, employ individuals you will both recognize and be introduced to, and may just operate outside of the traditional legacy program framework, or enjoy increased liberties and access to quote unquote core secrets over other prime defense contractors. When it's so nice, we have to do it twice.

And thus, today's investigation will be part two of our investigation into Northrup Grumman and UFO legacy program operations. Now, before we get started here, recently I made a Loheed Martin legacy programs video. This project served as a replacement for an incomplete and quite frankly poor Loheed video I created early on in my channel's history. This video today on Northrup is not the same scenario. No, indeed, I still highly recommend my first Northrup Grumman project. Yet, I still think there are countless remaining and very interesting strings to pull on and things to learn. But alas, that first video primarily followed Northrup as it exists in UFO lore. Edgar Fuchet's claims of Northrup serving as a core R&D partner on the TR3B alien reproduction vehicle. The alleged Colonel Steve Wilson's claims regarding Telodine Ryan that would be purchased by Lockheed serving as a core legacy program contractor. William Hamilton's early explorations of Northrup's Tahone radar cross-section facility housing an underground antill and much more.

In my recent projects, I have moved to be as specific as possible, naming dates, locations, programs, history, and most importantly, personnel with current or prior history in UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering operations. Thus, for this project, we will view Northrup through the lens of specificity. And for that reason, we will not just be analyzing Northrup Grumman as it exists today, but also its major acquisitions such as TRW, Inc. and TRW spin-off FFRDC, the Aerospace Corporation, and identify senior legacy program personnel and intriguing ties to modern-day programs in both of these entities. In this project, we will spend such significant time investigating TRW. This project should really be called Northrup Grumman and TRW. But as you will see, I find the most value in investigating TRW, a contractor with countless ties to UFO reverse engineering and crash retrieval programs, in reference to its integration into North of Grumman.

In today's project, you should also seek to find a critical analysis of North of Grumman's UFO legacy program security infrastructure, likely ran by the illustrious former senior executive service and Air Force special access program security director and executive director of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Office of Special Projects, Mr. Terry Phillips. After all, here Northrup Grumman is far more non-escript when it comes to public testimony of whistleblower discussion of UFO legacy programs. The father of the B2 spirit bomber seems to have deployed far more effective countermeasures to keep their names out of the UFO public zeitgeist. Competitors of Northrup like Loheed Martin are everywhere in the UFO topic. Lockheed has even been labeled by name in congressional hearings on the subject of UFOs. Yet Northrup Grin maintains its profile spoken only as whispers behind the scenes. And while defense industrial base prime contractors like Loheed Martin seem to adhere to the traditional legacy program structure, an example being Loheed obediently standing down attempts to divest UFO materials to the OAP program through the prospective special access program or PAP Kona Blue at the behest of Glen Gaffne, Mary Sturivant, and the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology. Northrup does not appear to honor such chains of command.

Part one of my Northrup Grumman project sought to investigate the question of if Northrup engages with UFO legacy programs. Today's part two seeks to answer not if, but the who, what, when, where, and why of Northrup's UFO legacy program structure. So, join me today as we explore Northrup to answer three simple questions. One, who in Northrup Grumman and their many acquisitions has operated in a UFO legacy program senior capacity? Two, did Northrup really create quote unquote breakaway UFO legacy programs that loosely or don't answer at all to their government customers as we extrapolate from the recent words of David Grush. And finally, three, what does Northrup Grumman's modern-day legacy program structure look like?

Due to the ever growing complexity of my projects and direct naming of programs, dates, places and individuals. I would like to continue the trend I set forth in my Air Force project by detailing an executive summary of all of my research findings. Indeed, I want to waste no time jumping into this investigation. So, let's briefly summarize Northup Grumman, its corporate history and many acquisitions and are critical points of discussion for our investigation today.

Northup Grumman operates under the expressed mission of quote forging technologies that push the boundaries of possible end quote. Founded in 1994 under the joining of the Northrup Corporation and Grumman Corporation, Northrup Grumman today enjoys its prestigious position as the fifth largest contractor of the US federal government and ranks as the 100th on the Fortune 500 list of America's largest corporations. Regardless of the tool of war, Northrup Grumman is involved with primary expertise in advanced weaponry, aircraft, missile defense, mission solutions, and space out of Northrup Grumman's four operational sections: aeronautic systems, mission systems, space systems, and defense systems. And throughout this project, we will devote a significant amount of time implicating three of Northrup's four major operating areas within UFO Legacy programs. These being mission systems, space systems, and of course, aeronautic systems.

Northrup Grumman is the proud father of several of the most iconic and incredible aircraft ever conceived and flown by the US armed forces. And these include the B2 Spirit Bomber, B-21 Raider, E2 Hawkeye, F-35 Lightning 2, T38 Talon, the mysterious RQ180, and that's only counting Northrup's aircraft achievements and acknowledged airframes at that. NG is one of five US prime defense contractors alongside Loheed Martin, Boeing, Rathon, and General Dynamics. North of Grumman and other primes serve a unique position within the world of government contracting. These contractors unlike non-primes maintain a direct contractual relationship with the US federal government.

Northrup Grumman exists as the amalgamation of countless acquisitions over the decades, many of which occurred as a result of the quote unquote Last Supper in 1993. A defense industry consolidation that took place in the wake of plans to decrease defense spending after the end of the cold war. These numerous and infamous acquisitions include Teladine Ryan elements of Sperry Rand, Linton Industries, Aerogjet and most importantly in my opinion Thompson Rammo Woodbridge aka TRW Inc.

And thus we arrived to our first major discussion point of today's project. We will analyze Thompson Rammo Woodbridge, its history and prestige within the US aerospace and defense industries, TRW's acquisition of BDM and integration into North of Grumman, specifically into Northrup's space systems and mission systems operations. We will identify several individuals who served critical roles within TRW. Some of whom transitioned into North of Grumman that both have been previously connected to UFO Legacy programs and that I will accuse here today of involvement in such programs. These figures include Dr. Edward Dah, a critical and underreported figure from the 1953 Kingman, Arizona UFO crash retrieval. Fans of this channel will know this is one of my all-time favorite crash cases. Dr. D was named by primary Kingman witness Arthur Stansel Jr. as coordinating personnel and resources to the UFO crash site. We can even observe Dah being directly named by Stansel's own hand in his diary entries the day prior to Stansel allegedly visiting the crash site. We will trace Dr. Doll's history from a physicist on the Manhattan project to allegedly operating within UFO crash retrieval teams to serving as a senior vice president within TRW's systems group. This systems group ultimately morphed into the two north of Grumman organizations listed above space and mission systems.

We will also investigate components of TRW's mission systems under DOL and these include TRW's special projects which was instrumental to building SIGNT or signals intelligence satellites for the NRO and CIA's Directorate of Science and Technologies joint program B. Program B of course operated out of the spooky Pine Gap, Australia. This will directly connect back to prior projects of mine, including intriguing figures associated with program B, including program B director and CIA DS&T deputy director R. Evan Heimman, who was labeled by Admiral Bobby Ray Inman as possessing first-hand experience within UFO crash retrieval programs. This will lead into the investigation of the intriguing history of one Mr. Richard Haver who served in TRW on to Northrup Grumman from 1999 to 2010 as vice president for intelligence programs. Haver maintained a curious relationship with Dick Cheney throughout his intelligence career prior to Northrup being hand selected by Cheney as assistant secretary of defense for intelligence policy as well as being recruited mid Northrup service to assist Cheney on intelligence transition teams. And of course, again, we know from David Grush, Dick Cheney, Darth Vader himself, operated as the head of the snake for UFO Legacy programs.

Speaking of heads of the snake, we will also investigate colleagues near and dear to Lieutenant General James Clapper, discussed by David Grush himself as managing the crash retrieval issue. These include PDDDNI or principal deputy director of national intelligence Stephanie O'Sullivan who prior to her spook career in the CIA including deputy director of CIA DS&T served a data masked career in the office of naval intelligence and TRW where she managed quote oversight for a series of sensitive projects for TRW end quote.

"Uh, in fact, uh, without being inappropriate, I will say that General Clapper was well aware of the crash retrieval issue, managed the crash retrieval issue, and when he was the DNI, USDI, DIA director, he placed people in critical roles uh, to manage this issue uh, both publicly and I'll just say not uh, non-publicly as well. And I'll allow the audience uh, distill what I'm saying uh, at the at the risk of being inappropriate or going too far with my uh, discussion. So, uh, General Clapper, Stephanie Sullivan, other folks in the IC that are well aware of this issue that were in rooms discussing this issue, um, I ask you to be, uh, greater leaders on this. I should not be the only former, uh, military officer and intelligence official, uh, that of, uh, being completely candid with the information that they were exposed to. So, >> so I jumped at the chance to be at the center of that work and to work for Jim Clapper. He is probably the most selfless leader that I've ever worked with and I've worked with some real legends. That's a somewhat unique path that I've taken to be standing here today. So, just to be clear and to set expectations, I need to make one point about the three and a half decades of work that I just covered. I've worked on the design and deployment of some pretty amazing systems and led teams that put incredible technology into operations."

Also of interest here are O Sullivan's positions post UFO legacy program oversight alongside Clapper that include the Aerospace Corporation, Battel Memorial Institute, Paraton etc. In reference to Osalivan, we will also briefly return to one Don Mixrix, former ADNI ATNF CIA DS&T deputy director and co-worker of Osullivan at TRW in the early 1980s. In this same vein of Clapper O Sullivan and the UFO crash retrieval issue, we will also investigate one Michael Dempsey, a man who served under Clapper and above O Sullivan as deputy director of national intelligence within the Obama administration who actually personally briefed Obama plenty of times. If anyone partially read Obama on to legacy activities, it would have been Dempsey. In the vein of today's video, Dempsey would move on from ODNI to serve as Northup Grumman's VP vice president for government affairs.

Let us also analyze the federally funded research and development center FFRDC, the Aerospace Corporation that spun off from TRW in 1960 due to growing concerns from other government contractors that feared TRW's Air Force advisory role gave it unfair access to cutting-edge technologies. We will observe the aerospace corporation's absolutely pitiful attempts to answer representative Berles's and David Grush's interrogatories while offering up two names on the executive level of the aerospace corporation I believe are paramount to our investigation in the larger UFO legacy program investigation at large. Randall G. Walden, former director and program executive officer of the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office, RCO, and Edward C. Aldridge, former under secretary and secretary of the Air Force, who I believe was a critical figure in reorganizing Air Force legacy programs, leading to extreme compartmentalization and siloing of these programs.

"Grush helped us write the interrogatives, the letters that we that we sent to the CIA, that we sent to the aerospace corporation and um and the Navy as well. Um, and and Grush is going to continue to to help in that regard. I think we have got some more letters that we're that we're putting together. We've already had um a briefing from the aerospace corporation in a secure setting. Um, I can what I can say is that it really didn't turn up anything whatsoever. Um, but but at least um we got a response."

Possibly the most critical aspect to our entire investigation today. We will study David Grush's recent Megan Kelly interview and is still Grush speaking on prime contractor activities in the onset of the war on terror aka the early 2000s. According to Grush, this time epoch saw select contractors harness IRAD or independent research and development funds. A system in which a contractor can pursue critical national security projects and choose whether or not to read in government sponsors but bill them for this work nonetheless to actually spin off their own unaccountable UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs.

"uh early on the the global war on terror, a lot of the money that was initially given to these companies was essentially reallocated uh for overseas contingency operations. And these contractors essentially uh started to do their own thing, if you will, something called IRAD, internal research and development. And uh privately they continued certain things that actually the government was trying to cancel as it relates to the subject and they went off um and retrieved and exploited things essentially on their own uh and only loosely accountable back uh to their government handlers."

And of course, we will implicate Northup Grumman in these breakaway legacy activities and identify enormous reported IRA funds from both Northrup and TRW from 1998 to 2002 roughly. And we will investigate TRW being absolutely slammed with lawsuits and GAO investigations for numerous IRA infractions in misappropriation of funds. Perhaps then it should come as no surprise that early 1980s CIA Director of Science and Technology memos will reveal the CIA DS&T used contractor IRAD activities out of, you guessed it, TRW to support agency interests and activities. All of this will lead us to studying the possibility of very bizarre and very deep black Northrup UFO programs that feature little to no accountability from a government sponsor.

Returning viewers know how much I love the Northrup to Hone radar cross-section facility, an alleged closed former radar cross-section range critical to stealth testing of the B2 Spirit bomber that features extensive underground infrastructure. I have gone on record before to state with confidence, might I add. Tahone and its sister Lockheed site Helenale exist within a larger network of deep underground military bases within the Antelopee Valley. And this network focuses largely on UFO retrieval and research, development, test, and evaluation. Recent brave and intrepid explorers ventured onto the grounds of Tahone within the last few months, allowing us shocking new insights into this facility. I cannot wait to explore with you.

We will attempt to identify the current security structure behind Northrup's modern-day UFO legacy program portfolio. Relevant personnel here include revisiting SCES, former executive director of AFOSI, Office of Special Projects, and former Air Force SAP security director Terry Phillips, who now serves as vice president for security at, of course, Northrup Grumman. We will analyze several directors of security under Phillips that I strongly believe engage with Northrup's more quote unquote exotic activities, and these include John C. Freestone, Kathy Andrews, and most intriguingly, Vince Divine. All three of these directors of security under Phillips possess prestigious and curious CVs worthy of further investigation. Take Vince Divine for example, director of security and SAPCO, aka director of Northrup's special access program central office for NG's space sector, for example. Prior to Northrup, Divine served as deputy director for security in the Air Force RCO or rapid capabilities office. Deputy director of security supporting USDI under secretary of defense for intelligence SAPCO, director of security for ACOM, which was once EGNG, and SAP functional area lead for DARPA strategic technology office.

And lastly today, we will study what was once Northrup Grumman's answer to the infamous Lockheed Skunkworks, the 1990s Northrup Advanced Technology and Design Center, or NATDC. We will analyze personnel involved with this group. The group's acknowledged airframe projects and the bizarre disappearance from Northrup Grman that I wager was partially if not fully to leverage this NATDC exclusively for black budget classified and possibly Northrup's own UFO legacy activities. With all of that out of the way, let's go ahead and dive in.

To begin our investigation into Northrup Grumman, I do think it absolutely necessary to study the founding evolution, personnel, and intriguing claims of UFO Legacy Program operations surrounding Northrup's 2002 Crown Jewel Acquisition, TRW, Inc. TRW Inc., aka Thompson Rammo Woodbridge Inc. actually has roots that can be traced back to 1901 and existed since 1965 until its purchase by Northrup Grumman in 2002. TRW specialized in a variety of business ventures and these included aerospace, electronics, automotive, defense, and credit reporting, but was renowned for its defense and aerospace prowess, serving an instrumental role in the US space race, developing spacecraft such as Pioneer 1, Pioneer 10, and Apollo. Indeed, TRW operated as a major pioneer in the defense and communication satellite industry. Constructing cutting-edge spy communications in defense satellites including the defense support program DSP satellites for detecting missile launches and if you remember the DSP I have talked about this program many of times before including prior videos where the DSP tracked fast walkers unknown objects entering or leaving Earth's atmosphere at incomprehensible speeds in the 1950s and 1960s. TRW also served instrumental defense and national security roles and this was through its space technology laboratories STL division that evolved into the TRW systems group which comprised TRW's entire electronics and defense sector and such projects included leading the development of the US's first ICBM or intercontinental ballistic missiles and later Titan missile programs.

Northup Grumman described its crown jewel acquisition TRW as a quote leading developer of military and civil space systems and satellite payloads as well as a leading global integrator of complex mission enabling systems and services. End quote. Today, the blood of TRW still runs strong in the veins of Northrup Grumman with numerous individuals who once served senior executive roles on TRW maintaining the same positions within Northrup Grumman. In the executive summary of today's video, we spoke of Northrup's four main modern-day mission areas: aeronautic systems, mission systems, space systems, and defense systems. Upon Northrup's purchase of TRW in 2002, two new operating areas under Northrup Grumman emerged from that acquisition, mission systems and space technologies. By 2018, North of Grumman acquired orbital ATK, which was integrated into a new sector called NGIS or Northrup Grumman innovative systems. Come 2020, NGIS and Space Technologies merged into the modern-day space systems. So, you can see the beating heart of TRW still comprises two of four mission sectors within North of Grumman, space systems and mission systems.

Yesterday's TRW, today's North of Grumman mission systems, quote, is a trusted provider of mission enabling solutions for global security. We have a wide portfolio of secure, affordable, integrated, and multi-domain systems and technologies. Our differentiated battle management and cyber solutions deliver timely mission enabling information and provide superior situational awareness and understanding to protect the US and its global allies. End quote. In a similar vein, yesterday's TRW, today's North of Grumman Space Systems, quote, is an industry-leading provider of end-to-end space and launch systems and capabilities serving national security, civil, and commercial customers, end quotes.

From a quick top-down glance, one may assume Northup Grumman's involvement in UFO legacy programs is sequestered to Northrup's aeronautic systems division. After all, this element within the defense colossus is headquartered in Palmdale, California, and produces military aircraft, autonomous systems, aerospace structures, engages with myriad highly compartmented aerospace special access programs, and often harnesses Northrup's little known version of the Lockheed skunk works we will speak on later. The Northrup Grumman Advanced Design and Technology Center or ADTC. Northrup's aeronautic systems division is even one of three contractors alongside Boeing and Loheed Martin that enjoys extremely classified RDT&E work and unparalleled access to the infamous government-owned contractor operated Air Force Plant 42. Plant 42 has been a staple in my work. Most recently, I referenced Plant 42 in relation to the quote unquote hidden wing, the Air Force's alleged test and evaluation program portfolio across the Western Ranges that performs T&E or again test and evaluation on recovered nonhuman vehicles, alien reproduction vehicles, and derivative airframes. According to my understanding of the hidden wing, often times these craft, both nonhuman and ours, are transported to Edward's Air Force Base for T&E in plain sight, literally loaded onto trailers and driven from plant 42.

While I agree, North of Grumman Aeronautics highly likely engages with the Hidden Wing and other UFO legacy RDT&E programs alongside Boeing and Loheed out of Air Force Plant 42 focused on the reverse engineering and exploitation of nonhuman technical vehicles. I do think it also behooves us to study the legacy of TRW within Northrup Bremen to find evidence and existence of UFO legacy programs. And I think this for several reasons. One, because I theorize that prior to its acquisition by Northrup, TRW had decades of experience within UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering special access programs. And also because of several intriguing individuals with possible legacy backgrounds transitioning roles between Northrup and TRW in the space and mission system sectors.

Take former top executive of TRW, Donald C. Winter, for example, who transitioned to corporate VP and lead of mission systems for Northrup Grumman post acquisition. Winters joined TRW in 1972 where by the 1980s he would join DARPA or the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency under Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative. The Strategic Defense Initiative, aka SDI, aka Star Wars, was a proposed missile defense system intended to protect the United States from attack by ballistic nuclear missiles.

"Here, an artist projection of the president's vision. Banning into space, a layered defense to protect the country from nuclear devastation. US spy satellites would watch the world below, detect Soviet missiles blasting off, compute the position and speed of each missile, alert battle stations in space on Earth. The first response, space-based kinetic energy weapons fire high-speed projectiles from hypervelocity guns, intercepting enemy missiles as they are boosted through the atmosphere. popped up into space. Earth-based nuclearpowered X-ray lasers fire their radioactive rays. Attack rays from land-based eximer lasers are redirected by huge mirrors orbiting in space. Chemical lasers fire beams that burn through the shell of the on-rushing missile. Particle beam weapons with pulsing rays join the attack."

Of course, in many projects before, I have stated, "I believe the SDI backdoored funds to UFO legacy programs and also sought to harness SDI's lethality and target hardening programs and particle beam weapon systems to act offensively against UFOs. I will go so far as to say that I believe the UFO aspect of SDI far predated Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. Conceptually beginning under the Eisenhower administration as a space-based system of high-powered microwave weaponry to down nonhuman technical vehicles." But I digress. Right now I am more interested in Winter's primary SDI responsibility, a program called Talent Gold. Talon Gold served as a project designed to serve an essential prerequisite for deploying a high energy laser weapon system within STI. Talon Gold was quote a project to develop a low energy laser to demonstrate acquisition and tracking of targets from space and to precisely point a narrow laser beam end. Talon Gold and Teal Ruby were mentioned by one metallurgical engineer, Albert Bruce Collins, to the legendary Leonard Stringfield as programs oriented to track and possibly down UFOs during the 1970s and SDI as a direct result to NRO satellites detecting UFOs all the way back in the 1960s. Collins here truly is a fascinating tale, but not one I will revisit in its entirety here. But I fully recommend checking out my NRO project to learn more about his alleged first-hand encounter with a recovered UFO egg-shaped craft that featured a multi-hold interior.

"This year, the SDI is earmarked for 4.8 billion in the Defense Department's budget request with another $600 million in the Department of Energies. Congress is now debating these requests. Well over half the SDI money is slated for the defense industry, mainly the big defense contractors like Hughes, Rockwell, Boeing, TRW, Lockheed, for example, General Motors, having recently bought Hughes, has so far been awarded over half a billion dollars in SDI contracts. Lockheed is close behind while Boeing, TRW, and Macdonald Douglas are all in the $13 billion range. Not surprisingly, the defense industry tends to be among SDI's most enthusiastic supporters."

Post SDI, Winters would return to TRW as CEO and even operate as the 74th United States Secretary of the Navy. I personally find it intriguing. A man with Winter's CV would be the first to spearhead mission systems within Northrup Grumman. The sector of Northrup referred to as the quote coolest and most dynamic portfolio in the company end quote by Northrup senior director of security John Freestone. This comment will age as even more intriguing later on in this video as we implicate Freestone in operating Northrup Grumman UFO Legacy Program secrecy and protection under the illustrious vice president for security at Northrup, Mr. Terry Phillips.

"You have to draw the line someplace, then cross over it. That's how new ideas start, how new worlds open up. Technology from a company called TRW helps chart new worlds. Today we draw the line where it has never been before. Tomorrow will cross over it. Tomorrow is taking shape at a company called TRW."

Even outside of my first North project, TRW has surfaced in several of my works prior in relation to UFO programs. These include analysis of TRW's own acquisitions, most famously BDM or Braddock Dunn and Macdonald Corporation purchased by TRW in 1997. BDM is rather infamous on my channel, specifically in relation to housing Navy Rear Admiral and Director of Naval Intelligence Sumar Shapiro on its board of directors. Back in the late 1980s, Shapiro was actually recommended as a point of contact by Ultra Spook and Rogues Gallery figure of this channel, Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, to NASA mission specialist Bob Echler for information on recovered UFOs. Within several meetings with Echler, Shapiro would intriguingly confirm that he had studied recovered nonhuman vehicles in an official capacity up close and that many of these craft had interlocking components that had to be assembled and disassembled in specific sequence when these recovered vehicles were rotated around various laboratories within the continental United States. And this sequence of assembly and disassembly is an intriguing parallel to the 1948 Aztec New Mexico UFO crash retrieval. One of my all-time favorite cases.

And let us not forget TRW's connections as a managing or critical entity to the utterly fascinating outline of the Zodiac crash retrieval program. Allegedly based on the real experiences of one pseudonym Sedge Masters written by another pseudonym Greg Halifax. This web is captivating to say the least and features substantial investigations by the respected Richard Dolan. To track down names involved with this allegedly true retrieval group featuring TRW, including Dolan stating he uncovered the true identity of the individual behind the pseudonym SGE Masters and Greg Halifax within the Zodiac story, an attorney hailing from TRW. The attorney here in question is suggested to be one Mr. Jeffrey W. Griffith and the Zodiac participant described in the writings is suggested to be one Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Elliot. Griffith here was indeed an attorney on the corporate council for Hughes Aircraft which housed the R and W Ramo and Woodbridge of TRW until the two split off in 1953 before forming TRW officially in 1965. Indeed, Griffith's own bio states, "Alongside Hughes, Griffith served as quote, 'general counsel of another corporation headquartered in Southern California.'" End quote. My guest here, of course, is the former TRW Space Park of Roondo Beach, California.

What I find most intriguing about 1998 Zodiac is a brief description of the project within the experiences of the pseudonym SGE Masters, which of course may be on Mary Elizabeth Elliot. Zodiac was a program that was quote able to skirt the military chain of command with impunity, spend money earmarked for other projects, and generally do whatever it damn well pleased. All in the name of UFOs and their importance to national security." End quotes. Of course, if you recall my UFO legacy program pyramid, I often state the defense industrial base of the United States is merely a tool of UFO legacy programs whose authoritative channels, assets, and infrastructure may be bypassed or even commandeered by legacy activities. Whenever certain assets or infrastructure is needed to accomplish these clandestine mission operations. I know a lot of people here would like me to expand on Zodiac. Now, but this really is another story for another day as that rabbit hole deserves its own video.

Zodiac even appears in Jacqu Valet's forbidden science journals such as a date marked 3 March 2001 in which an entry describes Eric Davis relaying the story of Zodiac to Valet. Here Davis described and reported on a 10 Velobind volume housed at Wright Patterson Air Force Base that featured data from the Roswell New Mexico crash and a special study done by TRW. My trust in Davis is wafer thin to say the least as I believe he has lied to my face about the existence of alien reproduction vehicles and derivative technologies. So I personally would be keen to see Davis expand on this and Zodiac at large.

Additionally, TRW can be found throughout my video on DUMBS, aka deep underground military bases, as conducting late 1960s and 1970s studies on quote state-of-the-art tube vehicle systems and quote, detailing underground train systems as deep as 3,000 ft underground that could travel at speeds of 450 or greater mph. Later on in this project, we will be discussing and exploring the possibility of the now allegedly defunct Northup radar cross-section range to Hone, housing extensive underground facilities that connect to a larger network of DUMBS beneath the Antelopee Valley. And of course, we will argue why this network in Hone in particular is integral to western range UFO RDT&E programs. One must wonder if TRW helped conceptualize and design transportation infrastructure for these sites, if of course they exist.

But before we continue down the path of TRW evolving into Northrup Grumman and Northrup Grumman at large, let us quickly take a side avenue to explore TRW's critical spin-off, the Aerospace Corporation. In 1960, TRW spun off the Aerospace Corporation from half of TRW's space technology laboratories. The Aerospace Corporation was founded because of other contractors at the time, believing TRW's Air Force advisory role granted it unfair access to technologies. Think of TRW and the Aerospace Corporation as similar to Science Applications International Corporation spinning off LOS in 2013. Although the newly separated SEIC and LOS focused on different business pursuits, both organizations shared similar, if not the same personnel, corporate practices and missions, access to US government special access programs, and most importantly in my opinion, involvement in clandestine UFO legacy program, USPS.

Today, the Aerospace Corporation functions as a nonprofit operating a federally funded research and development center or FFRDC sponsored by the Department of Defense and Air Force located in Elsagundo, California. As I pointed out in my Air Force project, Elsagundo is a major US hub for aerospace SAPS where the AFOSIPJ or OSI office of special projects keeps a permanent station outside of their technical oversight and objective analysis for US National Security Space Programs working closely with organizations such as the Air Force, Space Force, and NRO. I believe the aerospace corporation is paramount to UFO legacy programs. Indeed, I believe the aerospace corporation led legacy program efforts in a parallel track to TRW and then Northup Grumman. So, analyzing the distant spawn of Northrup is actually well worth our time here.

Recently on the Secoactivo podcast, Representative Eric Berles stated he had sent out numerous interrogatories to hostile entities involved with UFO Legacy Program operations. Interrogatories, of course, exist as a formal set of written questions required by law to be answered by an adversary in order to clarify matters of fact and help to determine in advance what facts may be presented at any trial in a case. Think of interrogatories as similar to subpoena. Several of these interrogatories sent by Berles and presumably written in part, if not in whole, by David Grush were gutted, neutered, and interrogatories for one entity that I actually talk about quite often on this channel were just straight up not delivered. Comically here, the CIA did indeed respond to their set of interrogatories and actually directed Berles and obviously David Grush back to AARO, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.

"Chairwoman Luna and the task force and the committee staff uh certainly I assisted in my other uh professional capacity um helping Representative Burlson's office did send legal interrogatives uh to several agencies and private companies. CIA was one of them. Um, and curiously enough, uh, CIA provided what I considered extremely disrespectful response. They declined to answer our interrogatives on this matter, which is their participation in crash retrieval operations, and just referred us to the Pentagon's AROW office, which has a nebulous and a concerning history in itself. And I just find it very interesting that CIA uh, did that. The Aerospace Corporation was the only other entity to respond to interrogatories and sent corporate members to waste time, stating they knew nothing about UFO legacy programs. >> Grush helped us write the interrogatives, the letters that we that we sent to the CIA, that we sent to the aerospace corporation and um and the Navy as well. Um and and Grush is going to continue to to help in that regard. I think we have got some more letters that we're that we're putting together. We've already had um a briefing from the aerospace corporation in a secure setting. Um I can what I can say is that it really didn't turn up anything whatsoever. Um, but but at least u we got a response and and they took the time to fly uh to DC to to meet with us in person. And again, it's clear that David Grush was the impetus and guiding hand behind these interrogatories. So, we can safely assume he thought that the aerospace corporation was deep enough in legacy program operations that the FFRDC warranted a set of questions directly. And let me plainly state here, David Grush is one of the few men on this planet whose word I can take to the bank. For this reason, amongst others, I'm in full solidarity with Grush that the Aerospace Corporation is absolutely involved in legacy programs. So, the Aerospace Corporation sent a team green behind the gills to waste time and state that the FFRDC had no involvement in such clandestine UFO programs."

Well, in a perfect world, who should have been sitting there answering questions honestly about aerospace corporation's involvement in the programs? For one, I recommend viewers who have not already watch my Air Force legacy programs video. I consider this analysis of the modern-day structure of UFO legacy programs within the Air Force my most critical work to date. Within the project, I named the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office or RCO under SAF AQ or Air Force Acquisition as a critical administrative element within Air Force UFO legacy programs. Specifically, I stated that RCO can take other air force involvement such as further subcomponents of air force acquisition like AQL, AQX or AQR within UFO programs and package this involvement neatly with RCO as a controlling office built to operate within the quote unquote gray areas of standard acquisition. In the project, we explored senior executive service member, director, and program executive officer for the rapid capabilities office, a man by the name of Randall G. Walden, and I identified Walden as a very senior, very active member within UFO Legacy programs. Walden's CV is fascinating. Outside of RCO, Walden served numerous roles within the Air Force that one could connect to UFO SAPS, including involvement within a classified flight test squadron commander out of Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada from 1997 to 1998 and technical director for the Air Force Acquisition Directorate of Special Programs, SAF AQL, that I just mentioned earlier and director of Air Force Test and Evaluation or AFTTE.

Another critical component of my Air Force video I call the hidden wing. Perhaps alarm bells should be raised that on 7 June 2023, Walden was elected to the Aerospace Corporation's Board of Trustees. I often state individuals within the United States government that operate within UFO Legacy programs within the DoD or IC often trade in their stars and stripes for a pinstriped suit. I believe this is another instance in which Randall G. Walden continued his work within legacy program operations on the corporate side. This time an FFRDC called the Aerospace Corporation.

I would also like to identify and paint one Mr. Edward C. Aldridge as a former very senior, very critical legacy program individual. Aldrich's CV is legendary, rivaled only by Channel Rogues Gallery member Donald M. Kerr. Aldrich served as US Secretary of the Air Force, director of the NRO, under secretary of the Air Force, president of Macdonald Douglas, senior manager within LTV Aerospace, an intriguing contractor that would become a CIA shell company called E Systems that then transitioned under Rathon that has started to pop up frequently in my research. And of course president and CEO of the Aerospace Corporation. I would like to go so far as to say Aldridge is a cornerstone figure to identifying the changing structure of UFO legacy programs that like I said in the intro have morphed to enjoy expanded special access program security controls that in turn has partially led to the siloing of the programs subject to extreme compartmentalization.

Now, if you are here and haven't watched my recent Air Force project, again, I strongly recommend stepping back to watch that as we are about to observe several concepts cross over. Enthralling, I know, but stick with me here. I would like to reference an Air Force historical studies record titled SAF AA, a history of the Office of the Administrative Assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force. End quote. If you have seen my Air Force video, you are likely licking your chops right now. But if you haven't, this aforementioned SAFA is a critical office I mentioned is involved in senior leadership within Air Force UFO legacy programs. Indeed, in the project, I observed specific offices within the SAFA, SAF AAH, sensitive activities and SAF AAZ, security special program oversight and info protection. And connected these two office heads, Mr. Russell E. Wiler and Mr. William E. Mccclure, respectively, as the Air Force SCES2 gatekeeper Chris Melon infamously released in 2024. And let me just say this before we dive in. I am shocked. This SAP AA history appears in an unclassified historical document. Within the document that I am sure many would rather watch paint dry than read, we can find a section titled SAF AA and quote unquote outside activities. This section referenced a 2018 interview with retired administrative assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force aka SAF AAA William A. Davidson. Oh, and by the way, before we continue, Davidson would retire as SAFA to move on to the board of advisers for Perspecta, a company with ties to Veraritoss Capital and the Kona Blue Loheed OAP material transfer. Perspecta alongside Loheed Martin enterprise integration group. appeared in this context to be ideal corporations for Veraritoss Capital to acquire to try and slice

off its own piece of the pie of UFO programs. And I'll recommend my good friend Rob Jones's excellent piece, Sub Rosa, Organized Secrecy, to learn more there.

In this interview, Davidson discussed several "quote unquote" outside activities in which Sappa had been and continued to be involved in. Davidson stated there were "quote several activities that were in other agencies over which the Air Force had administrative control end quote." Let me just say that again. Several activities that existed outside of the Air Force that SAF AA wielded administrative and operational control over. This is what is known as a cover program.

Davidson states here, "Two such programs were started, quote, in Pete Aldridge's day, end quote." Pete Aldridge, of course, is the nickname for Edward C. Aldridge. The "quote unquote" outside activities did not show up in mission directives and operated exclusively under the SAF AA. And the real tipper here that these cover programs are highly likely legacy programs. The fact Davidson stated these programs did not see involvement from SAF AAZ, the literal compartment under SAFA AA tasked with security, special program oversight, and information protection.

So Davidson stating these programs were "quote unquote" started in Aldrich's day. Well, I actually believe that is a bit of a misnomer here. These two specific outside activities were started under Aldrich while Edward Aldrich was under secretary of the air force from 1981 to 1986. Funny enough, Aldrich had additional responsibilities as under SECAF, including "quote providing overall direction, guidance, and supervision for Air Force space programs, including launch and onorbit operations in planning for future space capabilities." End quote.

And seeing how Aldrich was also director of the NRO whilst under secretary of the air force from 1981 to 1986, I think it is a very safe bet to assume these "quote unquote" outside activities involved joint air force and NRO legacy activities. So you see these outside activities were not necessarily created during this time epoch 1981 to 1986. Instead, I believe that with supreme confidence, might I add, we can see a prime example of legacy programs morphing and using cover offices and programs for protection.

The late '70s and early '80s were a period of massive special access program reform and security expansion. The expansion of special access programs accelerated drastically in this time period due to the need to compartment information for "quote unquote" black programs involving stealth aircraft, reconnaissance systems, and other high-risk technologies. So, if I'm not making myself clear enough, this is directly what I am stating. While under secretary of the air force from 1981 to 1986, Edward C. Aldridge leveraged expanded special access program security protocols for particularly sensitive information beyond standard top secret handling and morphed several cross department UFO legacy programs to be housed as "quote unquote" outside activities under SAFA, which served as a cover office. This is why these outside activities existed in other agencies while SAF AA still had operational and administrative control while completely bypassing SAF AAZ as an oversight mechanism. And this is exactly what I spoke about in our intro: that legacy programs have leveraged expanded SAP security mechanisms to morph and enjoy heightened program protection strategies, leading directly to the beyond tangled and complicated web of programs that exist today.

And yes, I know this is a very brief investigation into such a critical topic. So one day I will make a full video on the history of legacy as I see it. But I actually believe this thesis of Aldrich and other legacy elements massaging UFO legacy programs to morph and take advantage of expanding SAP security controls can actually connect right back to TRW in my prior work.

Again, I stated these legacy reforms likely occurred between 1981 and 1986. Well, what else occurred during this time epoch that we talked about earlier? Yes, the Strategic Defense Initiative, aka Star Wars, aka SDI. As I discussed earlier, this 1983 US research program launched by President Ronald Reagan aimed at developing a multi-layered defense against ballistic missile attacks through technologies including space-based interceptors, directed energy weapons, and advanced sensors. Weapons that can attack the boost phase and the midcourse have to be able to see their targets. And because of the curve of the Earth, that means being up in space. They also have to be able to attack from hundreds of miles away, which means that whatever they shoot has to get to its target very fast. This is why Star Wars is likely to employ weapons like this: lasers, particle beams, electromagnetic launchers. The first task of the Strategic Defense Initiative is finding out whether weapons like these can indeed be built and made to work.

And as I have stated numerous times, I believe SDI or Star Wars, as it was nicknamed, featured numerous backchanneled funds towards UFO legacy programs, possibly including funds directed to an alleged Nevada test site clandestine location called the Defense Advanced Research Center, or DAR, and attempted to harness SDI's particle beam weapons programs and lethality and target hardening programs to offensively down UFOs. An X-ray laser is powerful because at its heart is a hydrogen bomb. As the bomb explodes, a fraction of its enormous power is channeled into focused beams of X-rays, each of which can be pointed at a Soviet booster.

If the above thesis is indeed correct, which I strongly believe it is, 1983 Star Wars saw a massive initiative to fund and equip both new and existing UFO legacy programs. And I can't help but notice the parallel timing of Aldrich and SAFA AAA's outside activities and the Strategic Defense Initiative, both taking place during a period of massive Cold War special access program security expansion that I strongly believe was fully taken advantage of by UFO legacy programs.

Well, guess what was one of the leading contractors on SDI? And that's right, you can probably guess TRW. Within its acknowledged work on SDI, TRW focused on robust and comprehensive integrated space-centric architecture for national security. TRW enjoyed massive contracts with SDI, including a $340.5 million contract for the Brilliant Pebbles Initiative and a $200 million Air Force contract for a compact space qualifiable laser. I can't help but wonder if some of these contract vehicles were secretly backchanneled to TRW's work on compartmented UFO legacy programs recently hidden under the SAP AA. After all, we all famously know misappropriation of funds are indeed a funding mechanism for UFO legacy programs.

>> Well, so that how does I mean I don't want to cut you off, but how does a program like that get funded?

>> I will give you generalities. I can get very specific in a close session. Uh, but a misappropriation of funds and uh.

>> Does that mean that there is money in the budget that is said to go to a program, but it doesn't and it goes to something else?

>> Yes, I have specific knowledge of that. Yep. Do you think US corporations are over overcharging for certain tech they're selling to the US government and that additional money is going to programs?

>> Correct. Through something called IRAD.

But how interesting is it that just a few years after Aldridge served as under secretary of the air force and secretary of the air force, he would become the Aerospace Corporation's CEO for nearly 10 years. Walden and Aldridge. I believe both of these men served very senior UFO legacy program roles within an Air Force capacity. And I cannot help but to notice a pattern here that both went on to executive roles at the Aerospace Corporation. High-level figures within the US DoD/IC, who also served senior roles within TRW, have been accused of serving as top brass within UFO legacy programs for decades. From crash retrieval witnesses mustering the courage to speak in the 1970s up to today in 2026, these patterns are undeniable. And of course, we must investigate. Indeed, I personally vehemently believe from the 1950s up until today, select TRW personnel have played a very major factor in shaping and overseeing Northrop Grumman's role within UFO legacy programs from a DoD/IC oversight level.

>> I understand it, Fritz. You were working for the United States Air Force.

The story began late one night in 1953 at Frenchman's Flat, Nevada. The man had been working as a consultant on blast effects of atom bombs when he was suddenly ordered to report for a new mission.

>> What happened after that?

>> We were put on a um a bus which the windows were all completely covered with curtains and in some cases uh black paper taped to the windows and uh we're driven for three or four hours and we're not sure just where we were going. Uh several of us tried to guess where we might have been. We uh at that time came to the conclusion it was in the area of Kingman, Arizona.

Viewers of my channel will recall the 1953 Kingman, Arizona crash retrieval case. That is one of my all-time favorite cases and, in my opinion, a very real instance of a crashed nonhuman technical vehicle with onboard biologics. I have said several times lately that I would like to revisit the Kingman case, but ultimately I am waiting for a few more pieces to come together before another two-plus hour exploration. But let's briefly revisit this case here. Arthur Stansel Jr. serves as the primary witness for the Kingman crash. In 1973, Stansel would disclose his encounter to UFO researcher Raymond Fowler and even sign an affidavit swearing his testimony as true, in which Fowler referenced Stansel as the pseudonym Fritz Warner.

In short, Stansel claimed in the spring of 1953 he served as an engineer connected with the operation Upshot Knot Hole nuclear tests that were conducted at the nuclear test site in Nevada. This aspect of Stansel's testimony is an established fact, as we can both observe Stansel listed as an employed engineer under the mechanical branch of the Air Research and Development Command (ARDC) out of Wright Patterson Air Force Base with a specialty in aligning devices and landing gear. Indeed, Stansel can be found in the official Armed Forces Special Weapons Project Upshot Knot Hole documents as personnel within this special study section out of Air Material Command requested by Air Research and Development Command. If you don't recognize Air Material Command and Air Research and Development Command (ARDC), that's no problem. However, I do again recommend watching my Air Force Project to learn how these specific former Air Force major commands connect to the UFO Legacy Program operations of today and the Kingman crash.

In short, Stansel claimed in his affidavit on 21 May 1953, he was summoned to assist in the investigation of a crashed unknown object in the vicinity of Kingman, Arizona. After being bussed in on a large bus with blacked-out windows, Stansel observed two large floodlights illuminating a crashed vehicle that was roughly 30 ft in diameter and oval-shaped, constructed of an unfamiliar metal that resembled brushed aluminum.

>> There was also a tent which uh I didn't get to look into, but one fellow whom I did happen to talk with briefly until they told us to stop talking uh said that he had seen two bodies inside this tent. Two alien-looking bodies. They were brown leathery skin, had a silver like a cap on without a bill.

>> Like a skull cap.

>> Yes, like a skull cap.

Again, the Kingman story is so fascinating and a crash retrieval I consider very real. So, please look forward to me covering it once again. Stansel would include several names within his testimony, including the illustrious Dr. Eric Henry Wang as a UFO crash retrieval reverse engineering team lead. Wang was a figure we discussed and uncovered new revelations on at length in my Air Force Project. Stansel would go on to state he was summoned to the crash site by one Dr. Ed Dah, who would tell Stansel he would "quote go on a special job end."

In Stansel's own diary dated 20 May 1953, he would write, "quote, 'Spent most of the day on Frenchman's Flat, surveying cubicles and supervising welding of plate grinder bridge sensors which cracked after last shot. Drank brew and Eve read funny call from Dr. D about 1000. I'm going on a special job tomorrow.' End quote." I have always found it intriguing Dr. Ed D as the man who coordinated personnel and engineers like Stansel to the Kingman crash site ultimately got very little exposure in the case. Whilst figures like Wang drew great interest from the public. After all, both of these men were labeled by Stansel as imperative to the UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering effort. Researcher Raymond Fowler even attempted to track down Dole with little to no success. While figures like Bill Moore, who admitted to operating within UFO circles on behalf of the intelligence community, seemingly ran interference against Fowler, contacting Dole himself. So why don't we investigate this enigmatic figure?

Dr. Edward Bushnell Dole lived from 1912 to 1998. Dr. Dole earned his PhD in electrical engineering before serving a critical role on the Manhattan Project's Project Alberta, a section of the Manhattan Project that operated a three-fold mission: the design, procurement, and assembly of an atomic bomb shape for delivery by air to be dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That is roughly where easily accessible knowledge on Dole stops. But by piecing together newspaper clippings and print articles on Dole from his lifetime, we can learn so much more.

Following the Manhattan Project, Dole became the chairman of the physics department at Stanford University and a senior member of the Stanford Research Institute, also known as SRI International. Today, SRI performs client-sponsored research and development for government agencies amongst other ventures and is truly infamous in UFO lore. Stanford Research Institute was named as a critical research pillar in T. Townsend Brown's 1952 proposed Project Winterhaven that explored long-range practical applications of electrogravidics. And I know Jesse Michaels is punching the air right now. SRI International also served as the primary research institution behind the Stargate Project, a multi-agency project that utilized multiple program names to explore psychic phenomena, especially for military applications. This psychic program was majorly directed by super spook Hal Puthoff. And of course, in the early 1990s, this research was handed over and continued by SAIC, or Science Applications International Corporation.

Whenever I hear about the CIA and other agencies' sudden interest and mobilization into psychic phenomena, I can't help but to think back to this David Grush quote: "Well, there was like CIA docs about consciousness and like weird remote viewing stuff. I mean, besides the Stargate program, uh, that were released in the FOIA reading room on CIA's website, too, that are pretty trippy where like, wow, CIA is looking into some really interesting stuff. I mean, they're a hardcore intel agency. Uh, what's going on there?"

>> But it makes sense that they would kind of have to find out if that's or not. Like, you can't ignore that if you're really doing your job. If your job is intelligence, like okay, like let's look at this. Or.

>> It's an aspect of the phenomenon because it's like a reach out from the crash retrieval program, like, hey, I need you to look into some weird stuff because it might be the key unlock for something that we got in a warehouse, you know?

>> Yeah, so.

>> Wo.

>> Anyways, we can see on 27 March 1953, just two months before the Kingman crash, Stanford Research Institute, aka SRI International, supplied key scientific assistance for the upcoming spring atomic tests. And who else but Dr. Ed Dah was tasked with serving as director of a military effects group for this series of tests? Operation Upshot Knot Hole, of course, a joint DoD and Atomic Energy Commission test organization.

In 1959, we can learn quite a bit more about Dah. Dr. Dah served as technical director for two major special weapons programs for the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project, or AFSWP. And if you have heard of AFSWP before, you may be thinking back to my Sandia Project. Indeed, within January of 1957, 29 January 1957 to be exact, US Secretary of War Robert P. Patterson and Secretary of the Navy, original accused MJ12 member and likely murder victim James V. Forrestal established the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project, or AFSWP, a joint Army and Navy venture to manage nuclear weapons. AFSWP and Los Alamos Sea Division established operations at Sandia Base. AFSWP was also named as a critical UFO crash retrieval response element outlined in the disputed Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit documents. Alas, in the Sandia Project of mine, I discussed AFSWP's long evolution into DTRA, or the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, and actually connected this evolution to the testimony of Dylan Borland. On Weaponized Podcast, Borland referenced DTRA as containing old Atomic Energy Commission UFO files that concluded some UFOs were extraterrestrial. I wonder if D and Kingman were included in these files.

When Congress passed the archives legislation where all the agencies were supposed to round up all their documents, I had a wonderful conversation on my last day and I'm sure it was just coincidental. The person in charge of collecting all of the information from DTRA dealing with extraterrestrials and, as he put it, "quote unquote" little green men, happened to sit next to me at my computer terminal and began pulling all the documents on my system and the systems in our skiff. Interesting fact for you was that he came into the old Atomic Energy documents from way back when, and there was intelligence and information in those that discussed what you said, which is this has been around with them, and that even back then they had a similar outlook that this isn't exactly for our benefit. So even outside of Stansel naming Dole as a pivotal figure in Kingman, he is already connected to several institutions implicated in UFO legacy programs.

In 1959, we can also learn that Dr. Dah was elected vice president of the Space Technology Laboratories after joining STL in 1955. Remember that STL was a subsidiary and shortly later division within TRW that would lend personnel to the spin-off of the Aerospace Corporation. By 1966, Dah was promoted to senior vice president within TRW Systems Group, the renamed TRW division that was once Space Technology Laboratories. TRW Systems Group spearheaded TRW's entire electronics and defense sector and was instrumental in the development of US ballistic missiles, aka ICBMs, and spacecraft for the US space race, including designing and developing the Apollo 11 lunar module. By 1971, Dah integrated into TRW's corporate side as a group assistant general manager. This position Dah held until 1977, where he retired from TRW as executive vice president for TRW Systems Group.

Of course, if you haven't guessed by now, I vehemently believe TRW was instrumental in UFO Legacy Program operations. But for the sake of specificity, one must ask here: This TRW Systems Group, formerly TRW's Space Technology Laboratories, in which Dollah served as senior vice president that was so instrumental to NASA and the Atlas and Titan missile programs, did Systems Group within TRW engage with UFO legacy activities? Well, of course, I certainly believe so. And like everything I discuss on this channel, we shouldn't be able to look at the surface of TRW or any agency or entity for that matter and see the face of UFO legacy programs. Like the Air Force, NRO, or any major contractor, TRW was divided into numerous organizational pieces, and TRW Systems Group was no exception. TRW Systems Group was comprised of three key units: Space and Electronics, which produced spacecraft systems, high-energy lasers, avionics, electro-optical and instrumentation systems, and telecommunication systems; and Systems, which provided systems engineering and integration, information technology solutions, and command, control, and communication systems. Of course, both of these entities are now part of Northrop Grumman, but TRW Systems Group's last major unit, Aeronautics, is now owned by Raytheon. Systems Group was divided into several further sub-organizations of interest to us. And these include the Systems Engineering and Integration Division, that did plenty of contracting with the CIA, including work on the SAFE Project; Space Vehicles Division; Systems Laboratories; and of course, it should come as no surprise, Special Projects, led at the time of this appendix on screen 1965 by TRW Chief Scientist Bill Carson. TRW Systems Group Special Projects was instrumental for the development of NRO Program B's SIGINT, or signals intelligence satellites. NRO Program B, I covered at length within my NRO Project. Program B saw joint NRO and CIA Directorate of Science and Technology coordination on DS&T's satellite reconnaissance elements. The ground element of this project to this day is stationed at Pine Gap, Australia, which some refer to as the AEIES Area 51. From 1982 to 1989, the director of NRO Program B was one Mr. R. Everett Heinman, who was infamously named by Admiral Bobby Ray Inman to NASA mission specialist Bob Echler as the guy to speak to regarding UFO crash retrieval teams. And more on him later. Special Projects and TRW Systems Group at large was involved in endless classified programs, including designing and building Defense Support Program, or DSP, satellites, which I have actually connected to both observing UFOs in the past, as well as connected the Defense Support Program, or again, DSP, to the testimony of Lance Corporal Jonathan Wagant and DOE Nest UFO crash retrieval teams. I am utterly fascinated by what other revelations Dr. Dah and TRW Systems Group may hold.

Three decades ago, when I was new to the intelligence community, I don't think this is something that I could have imagined myself doing. When I started out in the IC, I literally did not know what to expect. After college, as a freshly minted engineer, I left the Midwest for the more exciting and professionally promising East Coast. I didn't have much money or any income, so my parents let me stay with them on their live-aboard boat in Annapolis while I looked for a job. It's a good plan. I saw an ad for an ocean engineer at TRW, the company that was later bought by Northrop Grumman. The ad was remarkably short on any details, but I thought, I'm an engineer and I live on a boat, so I've got this ocean engineering thing covered. And that's how my career in the IC started as an engineer designing high-tech and highly classified systems for the Navy.

I would now like to shift focus to David Grush's recent legendary interview with Megan Kelly. To hear Grush speak publicly is a rare treat. And this sub-5-minute interview is really no exception. But like I have said with every single Grush appearance, if we listen in closely, there is so much actionable data delivered in a small package. And again, this interview is no exception. After the bold and brazen attempts for retired Air Force Lieutenant General, former Director of National Intelligence, Director of the DIA, and Director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, and Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (USDS) James Clapper, to appear on the Age of Disclosure documentary alongside his good friend Luis Elizondo, Grush said this on Kelly.

And I did want to point out uh General Clapper, the former DNI in the documentary. Um I certainly applaud him for at least speaking out in general. Um he goes on, I believe, I've only seen clips of Age of Disclosure, not the whole thing. Um where there was a program when he was the Director of National Intelligence, uh where they were tracking these vehicles over Area 51, of course, the famed, uh classified test location. Hands. I'm a little bit disappointed as a fellow Air Force officer and certainly General Clapper rose to the ranks as three-star general. That's all he said in the documentary that that was uh a program he was aware of. Uh in fact, without being inappropriate, I will say that General Clapper was well aware of the crash retrieval issue, managed the crash retrieval issue, and when he was the DNI, USDI, and DIA director, he placed people in critical roles uh to manage this issue. Uh both publicly and I'll just say not uh non-publicly as well, and I'll allow the audience uh distill what I'm saying uh at the risk of being inappropriate or going too far with my uh discussion. So uh General Clapper, Stephanie Sullivan, other folks in the IC that are well aware of this issue that were in rooms discussing this issue. Um I ask you to be uh greater leaders on this. I should not be the only former uh military officer and intelligence official that is uh being completely candid with the information that they were exposed to. So um perhaps.

>> Once again, James Clapper understates what he knows and what he's done.

>> Well, I am exactly the audience that will distill what Grush was saying there. Grush called for Clapper, Stephanie O'Sullivan, and hypothetically, allegedly, in my opinion, Luis Elizondo to come forward and be transparent with their exposure and involvement in UFO legacy activities. Indeed, Grush outright stated Clapper managed the UFO crash retrieval issue with the support of his underlings, including Stephanie O'Sullivan. To recall my point with Elizondo, I believe Clapper, O'Sullivan, and Elizondo were involved in an Obama administration effort to establish an incoming political candidate as the "quote unquote" disclosure president, as Grush spoke on in this interview. And yes, of course, that candidate would have been Hillary Clinton.

Unfortunately, this uh subject has been a victim of a lot of I'll call it uh domestic information operations, something I discussed initially publicly in 2023. And there's certainly been this Game of Thrones activity with multiple factions of the deep state uh in a bipartisan manner. The Republicans and the Democrats are both guilty. And even in a recent previous administration, in the Obama administration, there was certainly um actions taken uh strategically uh to help a particular uh presidential candidate uh possibly if if this uh subject were to become normalized and they got elected president. So there's been a lot of gamesmanship and a lot of uh I'll call it house of cards type type activities in the past. But the fake ATIP cover program is not the topic of today. So let's narrow in on one Mrs. Stephanie O'Sullivan.

I had the good fortune of being there a long time along with my superb deputy Stephanie O'Sullivan. Uh very accomplished senior from CIA. Clapper's protégé served as Principal Deputy Director for National Intelligence from 2011 to 2017, where O'Sullivan managed day-to-day operations of the intelligence community, assisting the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. "Intelligence integration is the prerequisite for reaching the 9/11 Commission's goal that we act as a community. For me, after 30 years of work at TRW with the Office of Naval Intelligence and in CIA, I saw just how important it was that we get this right. So, I jumped at the chance to be at the center of that work and to work for Jim Clapper. He is probably the most selfless leader that I've ever worked with, and I've worked with some real legends." That's a somewhat unique path that I've taken to be standing here today. So just to be clear and to set expectations, I need to make one point over about the three and a half decades of work that I just covered. I've worked on the design and deployment of some pretty amazing systems and led teams that put incredible technology into operations. Now, I cannot speak for Grushier, but I do not think, nor do I think he thinks for a single second, every single Director of National Intelligence and their PDDNI, currently Tulsi Gabbard and Aaron Lucas, serves senior roles within UFO legacy programs. No, indeed, I believe, as I would wager David Grush does too, but again, I do not speak for him. Both Clapper and O'Sullivan had prior exposure and need-to-know access in the programs before serving senior roles within the ODNI. I believe Clapper specifically recruited O'Sullivan as his PDDNI to wield dual-hatted roles together: senior ODNI personnel and senior legacy program personnel. I mean, in 2011, according to congressional record, it was a "quote significant and welcome development end quote" that Clapper personally recommended President Obama nominate O'Sullivan for PDDNI. I will go so far as to say Clapper is likely the closest thing legacy programs have had as a singular controlling figure since Dick Cheney left in 2009. Clapper and O'Sullivan's roles within legacy programs cannot be understated. And don't take my word here. Listen back to David Grush.

Prior to PDDNI, O'Sullivan served as Deputy Director of the CIA and Deputy Director of CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology, aka DS&T, for 4 years. And by this point, it goes without saying, but as I have discussed numerous times, the CIA DS&T Deputy Director is a significant figure within the UFO legacy program structure. Former deputy directors I have spoken on include Doug Wolf, Glenn Gaffne, and Don Meyer. Please enjoy my NRO Project to learn more about each of these individuals and CIA DS&T's critical alleged involvement in NRO legacy programs. And remember that name, Doug Wolf. He's not a nice guy. In this project earlier, we discussed Edward C. Aldridge of the Aerospace Corporation and Under SECAF and SECAF and compared his legendary CV to Donald K. O'Sullivan's CV is the only one that comes close to these two gentlemen. And this is outside of her position as PDDNI, CIA Deputy Director, and CIA DS&T Deputy Director. Perhaps then it should come as no surprise O'Sullivan joined the board of the Aerospace Corporation in 2017 to lend a "quote wealth of knowledge and technical expertise from the intelligence community as well as the military and aerospace sectors end quote." By 2021 up until present, O'Sullivan has served as the Chairman of the Aerospace Corporation. Oh, but that's not all, and far from it. Stephanie O'Sullivan also serves on the board of directors of Battelle Memorial Institute, a channel regular and likely UFO Legacy Program contractor since at least the late 1940s. O'Sullivan also serves on the board of directors for Booz Allen Hamilton, another channel regular, and Huntington Ingalls Industries, a contractor spun off from Northrop Grumman in 2011. That is the largest military shipbuilding company in the entire United States. O'Sullivan additionally formerly served on the board of advisors for Oak Ridge National Labs, a DOE and NNSA sponsored FFRDC National Lab that Shan Kirkpatrick ran off to post Arrow, and a national lab I have discussed amongst the larger Y-12 complex as housing a vast underground facility studying the "quote unquote" skin of recovered UFOs. Exhausted yet with O'Sullivan? I hope not, 'cause we're going to keep going. The former PDDNI also serves on the board of trustees for IQT, aka In-Q-Tel. In-Q-Tel is better known as the CIA's venture capital firm. "quote, 'Incorporated in February 1999 after congressional approval of a CIA proposal to spread the insertion of mature technologies, support rapid development of mission-critical applications, and enhance the CIA's ability to attract the skills and expertise vital to its success.' End quote." Take a moment to guess who O'Sullivan's coworker was at an executive level at In-Q-Tel. Well, that would be Executive Vice President and Senior Fellow for In-Q-Tel and former CIA DS&T Deputy Director himself, the infamous Glenn Gaffne. To say Gaffne is infamous in UFO lore is an understatement. Gaffne's claim to fame is shutting down the late 2000s Kona Blue PAP, or Prospective Special Access Program UFO material transfer, that was supposed to be conducted between Lockheed Martin and the OSAP program and Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, or BASS. Very intriguing to see both O'Sullivan and Gaffne, who both held the position of CIA DS&T Deputy Director, end up together at an executive level at In-Q-Tel. Lastly, around 2018, O'Sullivan joined the board of Verint. Verint houses the former Lockheed Martin Enterprise Integration Group, which held much of Lockheed Martin's black programs, and Verint purchased Northrop Grumman's federal IT and mission support services for $3.4 billion in 2021. My good friend Rob Jones has written an excellent piece on how Veritas Capital, through Verint, attempted to slice off a piece of its own legacy program pie and procure the Kona Blue UFO materials mentioned above through a series of complex personnel and company acquisitions. Indeed, O'Sullivan shares Verint's board with former NGA Director Robert Cardillo, a man who Rob Jones has wagered, and a man that I am certain was involved in blocking Lockheed Martin from divesting itself of UFO materials to OAP.

Okay. Following CIA Deputy Director, DS&T Deputy Director, and PDDNI, we see HII, Oak Ridge National Labs, Verint, In-Q-Tel, Aerospace, Battelle Memorial Institute, and Booz Allen Hamilton on O'Sullivan's CV. Now, let's see what she did before these positions. Stephanie's career seems to be largely data-masked before joining the CIA in 1995. By data-masked here, I mean the explicit definition of the process of obscuring, anonymizing, or pseudonymizing sensitive classified or personally identifiable information for public and unclassified consumption. I have seen the application of data masking many times before, specifically surrounding figures involved in the hidden wing I outlined in my Air Force Legacy Programs video. Such data masking can be as simple as excluding positions and work history on an individual's CV or using a corporate or USG position as cover for intelligence agency and clandestine work. That second application can be thought of as similar to a CIA NOC, or Non-Official Cover. I believe examples can be seen in the history of Don Meyer, an individual I have targeted as a senior legacy program individual. Like O'Sullivan, Meyer has also served as CIA DS&T Deputy Director and additionally, from 2009 to 2013, Meyer served under Clapper and O'Sullivan as ADNI AT&F, or Assistant Deputy Director for National Intelligence for Acquisition Technologies and Facilities. A position that, alongside its DoD counterpart, the USD(A&S), or Under Secretary for Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment, harnesses administrative and operational control over NRO acquisition programs. I believe data masking can be found in Meyer's work as a Senior VP for AOL, transitioning into her own consulting LLC, then immediately jumping into work as ADNI AT&F, a very high position within the IC that I believe is imperative to UFO legacy activity oversight. It is a possibility Meyer's CV leaves out her exposure to clandestine exotic USPS pre-ADNI AT&F, just as it is possible Meyer's former corporate position was interwoven with CIA. After all, post-ADNI AT&F leapfrogged once again, this time into the role of CIA DS&T Deputy Director for nearly 9 years. I think both possibilities here with Meyer are feasible. And of course, there is someone that ran a parallel track to Meyer. Someone Meyer worked alongside when she was technical staff in the early 1980s at where else but TRW. Stephanie O'Sullivan. As I said, O'Sullivan's CV from 1982 to 1985 is very sparse by places of work. Thus, I theorize her true work was indeed data-masked. You can find almost nothing about O'Sullivan's work at TRW online besides a few tiny mentions. According to a 2018 Missouri Science and Technology article titled, "quote, Stephanie O'Sullivan, Life After Intelligence. End quote," the former accomplished PDDNI joined TRW around 1982. Seeing as Meyer worked at TRW from 1981 to 1993, yes, the two had two years of overlap. We can find nothing else bar some intriguing information from O'Sullivan's board description for Battelle Memorial Institute. Here we can learn that O'Sullivan served in an oversight role for TRW directing a "quote series of sensitive projects for TRW end quote." That's it. Nothing else. All we know is that from 1982 to 1995, O'Sullivan worked in sensitive projects for TRW and served in the Office of Naval Intelligence, or ONI, on sensitive research and development programs. Office of Naval Intelligence. Yes, of course. Go watch my Naval Project to learn more. And you know who else was in ONI? And that's right, J. Stratton. Someone ought to ask J. Stratton why David Grush had to discuss O'Sullivan before Stratton did. Better yet, someone should ask Stratton why the ONI and Navy at large were excluded from the Age of Disclosure's false legacy program outline.

Lastly, I want to cover one more figure that I believe shaped the direction of TRW's legacy program efforts and continued this clandestine work within Northrop Grumman into the late 2000s. Perhaps this last figure can bridge us towards analyzing TRW's scandals and Northrop's buyout of TRW in the early 2000s that I believe are hallmark to understanding Northrop's involvement in legacy operations today. Meet Richard L. Haver, who joined TRW in 1999 as Vice President and Director for Intelligence Programs and retired from Northrop Grumman in 2010 as Vice President for Intelligence Programs. A labeled protégé of Vice President Dick Cheney, I find Haver's career history and relationships prior to TRW and Northrop Grumman rather intriguing. But for a quick reference, VP for Intelligence Programs at Northrop Grumman/TRW is a mere role to Lockheed Martin's VP position for Intelligence Programs. This Lockheed position was formerly held by Miss Mary K. Sturivant, who additionally served as Lockheed Martin VP for Government Affairs. I have talked about Sturivant so much and understand due to her agency ties, specifically CIA DS&T and exposure to UFO legacy programs. Sturivant leased between Lockheed Martin's Jim Ryder and CIA DS&T Deputy Director Glenn Gaffne when Ryder wished to divest UFO materials through the Kona PAP. Therefore, I find great value in exploring the same VP position in a rival prime contractor, Northrop Grumman, that has an equally impressive background to Sturivant. Haver served a tremendous career within the US Navy, climbing the ranks from active duty to a civilian intelligence analyst in the Anti-Submarine Warfare Systems Branch at the Naval Intelligence Support Center, to eventually serving as Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence from 1985 to 1989. And it is highly likely, whilst Deputy Director within ONI, Haver and O'Sullivan crossed paths. Interesting to me, Dick Cheney himself, in Dave Grush's words, Darth Vader, hand-selected Haver in 1989 to the position of Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Policy. This Assistant to the SECDEF position was a newly created position by Cheney to allow Haver to serve as Cheney's special aide with broad authority over military intelligence policy. Indeed, in this position, Haver reviewed DoD intelligence, counterintelligence, security, and covert action activities, as well as monitored intelligence policy and made recommendations to the Defense Secretary and others for necessary changes in intelligence programs. I also find it rather intriguing this Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Policy position created by Cheney was also held from 1997 to 1998 by Christopher Mellon, a man whom I do not believe has been completely forthcoming on his exposure/knowledge regarding UFO legacy activities, seeing as Cheney operated as the head of the snake for UFO legacy programs whilst VP for George Bush from 2001 to 2009, and likely served the same role years prior when Secretary of Defense from 1989 to 1993. I am willing to make a strong wager that Haver, as Cheney's special aide with intimate access into clandestine intelligence programs, was a critical member in Cheney's inner circle of legacy activity personnel from 1992 to 1995. Haver would then serve as the Executive Director for Intelligence Community Affairs and in 1998, he would assume the duties of Chief of Staff of the National Intelligence Council and Deputy to the Assistant Director of Central Intelligence for Analysis and Production. By 1999, Haver would move on to TRW and thus on to Northrop Grumman. However, I can't just state enough how intriguing it is that Dick Cheney, the last man to rule the UFO legacy program portfolio with an iron fist, handpicked Haver for high-level intelligence matters. Indeed, whilst spearheading business development for TRW's intelligence activities under their Systems and Information Technology Group and Space and Electronics Group, Haver was again selected by then Vice President Dick Cheney in the early 2000s to head the administration's transition team for intelligence and then selected by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld as the Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. So yeah, during his tenure in TRW and Northrop Grumman, Haver was handpicked again by Darth Vader himself and Donald Rumsfeld to assist with extremely senior intelligence matters. There are no direct links between Haver and UFO Legacy programs. But from ONI to TRW to Northrop Grumman to Dick Cheney, I think an extremely strong argument can be made.

So you see, I believe an individual like Dr. Ed Dole used his expertise in legacy program operations while performing UFO retrieval and reverse engineering operations for joint Atomic Energy Commission and Department of Defense task forces and continued this work in the private sector for TRW Systems Group from 1955 to 1977. And on the other side of the same coin, someone like Stephanie O'Sullivan was exposed to UFO legacy programs in her weird, data-masked "quote oversight for a series of sensitive projects for TRW end quote" role that began in the early 1980s and continued this work as PDDNI under James Clapper for legacy programs. And in a similar vein, we have Richard Haver, who served very senior roles within the ONI and intelligence community before serving as a senior VP within TRW and Northrop Grumman, where, in the midst of his corporate service, he was handpicked by VP Dick Cheney to help with intelligence transition for the new administration. Remember that all of this is now owned by Northrop Grumman. Whatever secret legacy information, materials, and projects Dr. Dole took to TRW Systems Group, and whatever legacy exposure Stephanie O. Sullivan took with her from TRW to ONI to agency to eventually PDDNI to serve in legacy programs under Clapper, all of it owned by Northrop Grumman now in its Mission Systems and Space Systems division.

A reoccurring subject of my channel is to investigate funding mechanisms for UFO legacy program activities. After all, according to the excellent work of Katherine Austin Fitz, we are likely looking at figures in the trillions of US dollars, up to $21 trillion, in fact, from just 1995 to 2015, funneled away to the US black budget, specifically according to Fitz, to "quote unquote clandestine military research and development." Indeed, in her 2004 paper titled "The Black Budget of the United States," former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Katherine Austin Fitz would write, "quote, 'Large proportion of the nation's wealth is being illegally diverted into secret unaccountable channels to support clandestine domestic military R&D.' End quote."

According to David Grush's 2023 sworn testimony, a primary funding mechanism for UFO legacy programs is misappropriation of funds.

>> Well, so that how does I mean I don't want to cut you off, but how does a program like that get funded?

>> I will give you generalities. I can get very specific in a close session. Uh, but misappropriation of funds.

Indeed, I have explored several avenues of misappropriation of funds. I wager connect directly to UFO legacy programs, including massive scandals surrounding the National Reconnaissance Office and "quote unquote" rampant mismanagement of funds, including carryover appropriations, also known as forward funding, that occurred in the early 1990s when the NRO was officially declassified. Carryover appropriations are unobligated or unspent funds left over from a previous budget period that are carried forward and used in a future budget period to cover costs for the same or other projects. In my Naval Programs video, I have also explored various contractors, including the Grumman Corporation (pre-merger), overcharging for simple parts like socket wrenches or ashtrays that may be connected to legacy funding. Indeed, in private settings, I have also been exposed to several further funding schemes, including literal cash transactions.

In that sworn testimony, under questions prompted by Representative Moskowitz, Grush went on to say this:

>> Does that mean that there is money in the budget that is said to go to a program, but it doesn't and it goes to something else?

>> Correct. Through something called IRAD.

And I have discussed IRAD, or Independent Research and Development, before, specifically in my Lock Project. So let's quickly recap before expanding significantly on this concept. What is IRAD mentioned by David Grush here? IRAD is a technical research and development effort by industry that is not sponsored by or required in performance of a contract. Such projects consist within basic R&D, applied R&D, development, and system and other concept formulation studies. "quote, 'Contractors can recover a portion of their IRAD costs by including them as an allowable indirect expense on government contracts to the extent that those costs are allocable and reasonable. In addition, DoD permits major defense contractors to include allowable IRA costs as indirect expenses on defense contracts to the extent that the IRA activities are potentially of interest to DoD.' End quote."

In more simple terms, IRAD consists of R&D activities conducted by private contractors that have potential interest to the DoD. So essentially, Lockheed, Boeing, Northrop, Raytheon, General Dynamics get to do whatever they want and bill the DoD for it. In the realm of UFO legacy activities, this allows Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman, for example, to freely pursue classified operations without traditional DoD oversight and bill the DoD for such work. Notice though that I said "traditional channels." I strongly believe though prime contractors hide UFO funds through IRAD, almost all contractors still adhere to my UFO legacy program framework and operate such work under DoD Special Access Programs or Intelligence Community Controlled Access Programs under strict oversight of elements of the DoD IC and R&D masters, Federally Funded Research and Development Centers, or FFRDCs.

Indeed, in 2023, 2022, and 2021, Northrop Grumman's IRAD expenses totaled $1.2 billion, $1.2 billion again, and $1.1 billion respectively, $3.5 billion in 3 years. But for actionable information, I have no interest in current IRAD costs. No, instead I am interested to evaluate both Northrop Grumman and TRW's IRAD expenses in the late '90s and early 2000s.

Remember what I said about David Grush's rare media appearances? If we listen closely, we can learn so much. "Uh early on the Global War on Terror, a lot of the money that was initially given to these companies was essentially reallocated uh for overseas contingency operations. And these contractors essentially uh started to do their own thing if you will, something called IRAD, internal research and development. And uh privately they continued certain things that actually the government was trying to cancel as it relates to the subject and they went off um and retrieved and exploited things essentially on their own uh and only loosely accountable back uh to their government handlers."

Let me just go ahead and say that again plainly. David Grush states, "Some contractors in the onset of the Global War on Terror began using IRAD to do their own thing, retrieving and exploiting UFOs on their own, breaking away and staying only loosely accountable to their government handlers." At first glance here, you may think Grush's comments conflict greatly with the UFO legacy program outline I propose, in which defense industrial base prime contractors operate at the bottom of the organizational pyramid with only select need-to-know personnel like SAP security directors and corporate directors for special programs and other.

Specific senior executives read in. I still vehemently maintain this structure is indeed true. In fact, I will go so far as to state David Grush isn't stating all contractors used IRAD to kickstart their own UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs. But indeed, a few specific contractors did this. And I believe the biggest contractor to build their own unaccountable set of legacy activities is North Grumman.

I always found it strange. Over the past two years, I have met with and spoken to nearly a dozen individuals who claim to have worked, and I believe have worked firsthand, within UFO legacy program operations. These individuals often name the FFRDC's, pretty much always MITRE, as one, and prime contractors attached to the programs in an RDT&E capacity. And these almost always include Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, and occasionally General Dynamics. Northrop Grumman is also mentioned by these individuals, but often as an outlier or in a capacity removed from other prime contractors.

Indeed, in my last project, I outlined the Hidden Wing, a massive set of programs conducted on the Western Ranges, including the Edwards 412th Test Wing, Nevada Test and Training Range, and Utah Test and Training Range that operates under Air Force Test and Evaluation, or AFTTE, to perform test and evaluation on recovered non-human vehicles that humans have found a way to interface with, as well as alien reproduction vehicles and airframes harnessing derivative technologies of unknown origin. After speaking to individuals who stood in the electromagnetically sealed test chamber that held recovered non-human craft, I learned that principal engineers operated on site, mostly hailing from Lockheed Martin and Boeing. Indeed, according to my Hidden Wing understanding, many man-made derivative vehicles were physically driven in from Air Force Plant 42, that of course houses Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Northrop Grumman within its GOKO, or government-owned contractor operated, institution.

In a similar vein, I am aware of a major US Army initiative in the early 2000s that sought to adapt non-human technology to air and ground vehicles to strengthen the US warfighter. Boeing operated as a primary contractor project manager for this program, with Lockheed and other contractors such as SAIC engaged with the effort. Both the Hidden Wing and Army initiative, what is largely missing as a major principal contractor? Yes, Northrop Grumman. This isn't to say Northrop isn't involved. Quite the opposite, in fact. I believe Northrop Grumman is the prime contractor most involved with clandestine UFO retrieval and reverse engineering operations. I say this to theorize that Northrop Grumman may be the rare exception here that seized an opportunity in the early 2000s to operate outside of the strict legacy chain of command with loose affiliations to agency and their government handlers. Me personally, I view Northrop Grumman as a terrifying entity when it comes to legacy activities. And somehow Northrop has managed to recruit alleged monsters to staff their special program security teams, including Terry Phillips and some others who aren't necessarily monsters we will explore soon. And I feel this way because I believe Northrop's expanded freedoms within the programs sees aggressive program protection strategies by the contractor. I would wager there are others with firsthand experience watching this video right now that strongly agree with my thesis here. But this statement regarding Northrop harnessing IRAD to seize their own slice of the legacy pie. What if we had some tangible data to work with regarding Northrop Grumman and TRW? And what if TRW had proven instances of misappropriation of funds through IRAD around this time of interest?

A good idea by itself may go nowhere. It needs other good ideas. Technology from a company called TRW makes the most of ideas by helping them work together. And working together is the best idea in the world. Tomorrow is taking shape at a company called TRW.

The US global war on terror began following September 11th, 2001. Therefore, let us investigate plus and minus a handful of years to find interesting information regarding TRW and Northrop Grumman's IRAD activities and US government-wide IRAD trends. Assessing reports from the University of Maryland published in 2015, we can see from 2000 to 2005, yearly IRAD spending increased 26% from around $3 billion a year to $3.8 billion a year. Though this should not come as a surprise, seeing as spending and the amount of money in contractor pockets goes way up while the US engages in war, and the war on terror was no exception.

According to a 2002 DoD report titled "DoD Independent Research and Development Program Report," we can observe that in the fiscal year of 2000, thousands of IRAD programs were in existence, costing approximately $3 billion annually. Here we can learn that thanks to sweeping DoD changes enacted in 1991, contractors went from being required to submit IRAD plans for DoD review and approval with spending ceilings established on the amount of IRAD costs that each contractor could recover as indirect expenses under defense contracts, to contractors enjoying the option to operate without DoD approval requirements and reimbursement ceilings. Indeed, whilst most contractors, according to this document, reported IRAD plans and accomplishments to DoD to advertise technical capabilities to potential DoD customers, they were not required to do so. Therefore, we can crunch some interesting numbers here.

Spending on IRAD projects covered by summaries submitted to DTIC, or the Defense Technical Information Center, in 2001 totaled nearly $2.7 billion, up from $2.2 billion for projects submitted in 2000. Remember back here that total IRAD for 2001 and 2000 were quoted as $3.3 and $3 billion respectively. This means that the year 2000 saw $800 million in IRAD spending that contractors chose not to report or summarize for the DoD, and $600 million in such funds in 2001. I personally wager this IRAD difference between total reported IRAD and IRAD with DTIC summaries was IRAD performed by contractors for clandestine deep-six USPS like UFO legacy program activities.

According to TRW's 2001 annual report, the company listed company-funded research and development programs that included both R&D for commercial products and independent research and development (IRAD). In 1999, 2000, and 2001, before Northrop's purchase of TRW in 2002, TRW spent $468 million, $442 million, and $442 million again, respectively, on these company-funded R&D programs. So, TRW was spending near billions in today's money in IRAD leading up to the global war on terror and Northrop Grumman's purchase. Intriguingly, we can learn that TRW lowered R&D spending in automotive applications to increase spending in space and electronics and new programs in aeronautical systems. Indeed, just for accuracy's sake, we can confirm these figures in TRW's 2010 10-K form.

Let's compare this to Northrop Grumman's IRAD costs. In 2001, Northrop spent $318 and $331 million in IRAD, shockingly less than TRW. But following Northrop's acquisition of TRW in 2002, Northrop's IRAD costs exploded, totaling $429 million in 2003, $54 million in 2004, and $538 million in 2005, all in the early days of the war on terror. And these are just reported IRAD costs. So we can see that following the acquisition of TRW, IRAD costs exploded for Northrop Grumman in the early days of the war on terror. But of course, that can be expected with increased military-industrial complex spending during wartime. Right.

Well, check this out. In 2003, shortly after purchasing TRW, Northrop Grumman had to pay $111.2 million to settle a False Claims Act against TRW. Between the years of 1990 and 1997, TRW engaged in five separate schemes that increased costs the US government paid TRW. These included mischarging on IRAD, misclassifying private work when performing IRAD, mischarging costs for fabrication and prototyping to avoid IRAD ceilings, and more. And that's not all. TRW actually had been busted for similar misconduct before. In 1989, the General Accounting Office investigated TRW for misclassification of contract costs as IRAD. TRW was even busted again before in 1986, even leading to the departure of a vice president for overcharging on certain defense contracts through independent research and development accounts, bid and proposal accounts, and general and administrative overhead accounts.

With so many IRAD schemes under its belt, should it really be far-fetched to theorize TRW, and the skeleton of TRW through Northrop Grumman, once again harnessed IRAD for misappropriation of funds? This time for self-funding of UFO legacy programs during the early days of the war on terror. And if that wasn't enough to convince you, I have stumbled upon a gem inside the CIA's foyer reading room dated April 5, 1982. Predating any of TRW's IRAD schemes. Let us reference this CIA memorandum for the Associate Deputy Director for Science and Technology (DS&T), of course, titled "CIA Interference with DoD Tri-Services Committee Re: Industrial Contractors Negotiation of Advanced Agreement on Independent Research and Development." This memorandum outright directly states with the Navy's aggressive posture on behalf of the DoD in their negotiations of advanced agreements with contractors for IRAD, elements of the CIA's DS&T recognized an opportunity to channel independent research and development funds into areas of the DS&T's specific needs. The CIA DS&T literally says here they wish to funnel money into specific contractor IRAD spending to bypass "quote unquote seed money" that the CIA continuously placed through the Office of Research and Development, or ORD, and Subactivity Group with contractors such as Lockheed Missiles and Space Company, E-Systems (of course, a CIA shell company formerly known as LTV), Rockwell, Harris, and TRW. To say that again, the CIA DS&T is outright stating here that they wanted to channel contractor IRAD funds from corporations such as Lockheed and TRW to support CIA DS&T's efforts in areas of specific need. Are you kidding me here? This to me is an enormous piece of evidence in our investigation. No wonder that shortly after this 1982 memorandum, TRW quickly started getting busted for IRAD schemes starting in 1986. It is likely to me TRW was misappropriating funds for the CIA DS&T itself. And as we know, the DS&T is a massive administrative component in UFO legacy activities. I even more strongly theorize now that Northrop Grumman and its acquisition of TRW continued this practice with IRAD to carve off breakaway legacy programs with loose ties to the DS&T, as David Grush outlined for us to distill. At the very least here, I think Northrop Grumman and TRW have leveraged misappropriation of funds to sustain UFO legacy programs.

We just explored how David Grush stated the war on terror saw select contractors harness IRAD to essentially fund their own siloed UFO legacy activities, and how Northrop Grumman and TRW have displayed extremely concerning IRAD trends in the past. And again, in my legacy program framework, I believe that the overwhelming majority of UFO legacy program operations fall in line with my legacy program pyramid, operating under an extremely strict chain of command and oversight protected by severe SAP security mechanisms. What if Northrop Grumman operates in a gray area, both in roles within the standard structure of legacy programs, but also outside of this standard security structure, the "quote unquote weird deep six"? Both serving US government legacy activity initiatives, as well as their own UFO directives. So, I would now like to explore who I believe operates within Northrop's UFO program security structure, right now in 2026, and also explore some of this weird deep six activity that may highlight Northrop operating select programs outside of the normal legacy chain of command.

If Northrop Grumman operates its own seemingly siloed portfolio of UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs, Northrop would need an absolutely exceptional security apparatus, would it not? After all, in the traditional legacy program framework, with the utmost confidence, I have stated program protection offices like the AFOSI PJ, or Office of Special Projects, DARPA SID, or DARPA Security and Intelligence Directorate, Department of Energy OICI, or Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence, etc., are paramount to program security. If Northrop is indeed operating their own rogue programs, they would not operate with or enjoy the same SAP security protocols from the above organizations. Nor would they receive oversight, personnel, resources, funds, etc., from elements of the intelligence community, armed forces, the National Security Council, specifically the Director of National Program Special Management Staff (NPMS), and more. So essentially, Northrop would have to engage with these programs without sufficient top cover.

So what does any corporation do when they want select personnel, technologies, capabilities, or market exposure? Well, of course, they buy. A one-star general officer makes a maximum of around $200,000 a year. A Senior Executive Service makes around a maximum of $225,000 a year. And to be honest, this is almost chump change for people tasked with defending the nation, entrusted with the US's deepest secrets. But a prime contractor that makes over $40 billion a year in revenue? Well, that corporation could shower an executive director with millions of dollars a year plus stock and options. And we've seen this time and time again in my work. I often say senior DoD and IC personnel trade in their stars and stripes for a business suit to perform similar legacy program work within an FFRDC or contractor with an enormous pay bump following retirement from the United States government. What I'm trying to say here is if Northrop engages in their own breakaway siloed programs, I believe Northrop Grumman could offer competitive advantages to attract extremely seasoned and credentialed senior personnel to their "quote unquote legacy portfolio." In fact, I reckon this can be observed by analyzing the man I theorize runs the entire security enterprise for Northrop Grumman's UFO activities: Mr. Terry Phillips.

I recently named Terry Phillips in my Air Force project, hoping to insert Phillips amongst the most prolific UFO legacy program gatekeepers such as Glen Gaffney and Doug Wolf. I additionally stated I consider Phillips to be a truly evil individual. And if you are watching right now and have had exposure to Phillips before I named him in my last video, I would be willing to bet anything that you agree with me here. And if AFOSI flags this video as well, hey PJ special agents, grab a coffee and enjoy.

Terry Phillips began his career as an Air Force officer before transitioning to the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, or AFOSI. And I will not retread over my last video's content, so go watch to learn more about the OSI there. By the end of his career in government service, Phillips had earned the honor of being appointed a Senior Executive Service Tier 1, the civilian equivalent to a one-star general or flag officer. Indeed, Phillips' career heights are legendary. Phillips not only served as the SAP security director for the entirety of the Air Force, but also served as executive director for AFOSI PJ, or OSI, Office of Special Projects. As I highlighted in my Air Force project, I believe PJ is an integral program protection element to Air Force UFO WOAPs and SAPs. Indeed, within these roles is when Phillips would allegedly engage in vicious reprisal campaigns against whistleblowers. In 2022, Phillips would leave government service to serve as Senior VP and Chief Security Officer for LGS, the spawn of SAIC and another contractor I am highly confident is involved with UFO programs. Just one year after Phillips left to serve as Vice President for Security within Northrop Grumman. From 2023 to today, Phillips has engaged in this role.

Though I have never spoken with Ross Coulthart about this matter, I was encouraged to see Ross support my allegations here in UAP Gerb's latest video posted just a few days ago. The man is prolific. He names names. This is definitely his boldest, bravest naming of names thus far. Is Ross able to corroborate any of them? Given the risk involved, any strength in numbers would be heartwarming.

Let's get to the people who are part of the legacy program. And the one I'm very happy to name, of course, is Terry Phillips, the former US Air Force officer and Air Force Office of Special Investigations Special Agent, who was the executive director of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations PJ, and Air Force Space Force SAP Security Director. Uh, he became an SES in August 2020, served as a senior security executive at LGS and Vice President for Security at Northrop Grumman. Note that Northrop Grumman. Very interesting. Northrop Grumman. Did I say Northrop Grumman? Um, he is a key gatekeeper figure and frankly, not a very nice person.

Like myself, I wager that Ross has quite a bit of experience with Northrop Grumman. Northrop Grumman. Note that. Northrop Grumman. Very interesting. Northrop Grumman. Did I say Northrop Grumman?

Of course, if my allegations are correct, which I stand by fully, Phillips cannot run the entirety of Northrop Grumman's legacy program security enterprise by himself. So, who operates under Phillips? Well, for one, think back to when we discussed Northrop Grumman Mission Systems, an evolution of TRW within Northrop, where I wager legacy programs are likely held alongside other Northrop areas of major operations. And John Freestone, a Senior Director of Security at Northrop Grumman, who stated Mission Systems, "reflects the coolest and most dynamic portfolio in the company." I often state I am confident it is specific executive-level positions within defense contractors, such as Corporate Directors for Special Programs, SAP Security Directors, and Vice Presidents for Security, that are actually read into UFO legacy programs at a functional level. Although I am still quite confident Northrop Grumman also runs their own in-house UFO retrieval and exploitation programs, I still believe this pattern continues. This is why under Phillips, I strongly theorize John Freestone is a paramount executive safeguarding deep-six UFO legacy activities. Freestone has been with Northrop Grumman since 2000, beginning his career as a security manager to rising to the prestigious position of Security Director. Freestone specializes in enterprise security with a "quote proven ability to integrate physical, cyber, and insider risk disciplines into a unified enterprise security posture that protects personnel, assets, information, and reputation while enabling business goals and growth," and "experience protecting mission-critical infrastructure." Most interesting to me, of course, is Freestone's expertise in insider risk disciplines. My theory around Freestone is just that, a theory. However, I am quite intrigued by his seniority within Northrop's security infrastructure and two and a half decades at the company that precedes the TRW merger.

Outside of Freestone, I am quite intrigued by another current Director of Security at Northrop Grumman, Mrs. Kathy Andrews. Andrews' early career saw her perform duties as VP of Operations for L3 Communications from 2004 to 2006. Andrews would then immediately move on to Northrop Grumman Information Systems as a Security Manager from 2006 to 2015. Here, an extremely bizarre gap can be found in Andrews' resume. From 2016 to present, Andrews would serve as Senior Security Manager and eventually Director of Security at Northrop. But from 2015 to 2016, Andrews took nearly a two-year bizarre hiatus from Northrop to join the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) as an Assistant Group Supervisor. The Applied Physics Laboratory is a university-affiliated research center (UARC) sponsored by the US Navy. UARCs are essentially the opposite side of the same coin of Federally Funded Research and Development Centers (FFRDCs). "Quote unquote nonprofit organizations that maintain essential research, development, and engineering of core capabilities while serving the needs of their long-term strategic DoD sponsors." I have often theorized that UARCs are essentially research and development institutions essential to UFO legacy programs, not as imperative to Federally Funded Research and Development Centers, but are often sought by specific UFO-related SAPs or WOAPs to accomplish specific challenging R&D concepts. For example, I have had exposure to a set of alleged UFO legacy programs under the US Army in the early 2000s. One such program sought to adapt electro-optic cloaking systems from a recovered non-human technical vehicle onto US Army ground vehicles, specifically the next-generation combat vehicle. I have specific knowledge that a certain California-based UARC was tacked on to this program, likely via a sole-source contract to work closely with a specific company on complex simulation modeling systems for this program. I would be very keen to investigate if Johns Hopkins University's APL has engaged in similar programs with Northrop Grumman and thus swapped personnel over the years, like Kathy Andrews here. Perhaps further investigation is warranted here, as Northrop Grumman and the Johns Hopkins APL have a rich history of close collaboration on various defense, space, and technology projects, and as of 2021, co-share office space alongside MITRE and MIT Lincoln Laboratory.

Lastly here, I would like to visit with Mr. Vince Divine, Director of Security and SAPCO for Northrop Grumman's Space Systems Sector. Not to be confused with the DoD Special Access Program Central Office (SAPCO) and former directors such as Don Dunlop and H. Marshall Ward I speak on often in connection to legacy activities. Divine's bio here likely utilizes SAPCO to signify he is one of the executive seniors within Northrop's internal SAP security offices. After all here, Divine's CV would certainly support this, as he formerly served roles for MANTECH, liaising or working intimately with DARPA's Strategic Technology Office as a SAP functional area lead, as well as a Deputy Director of Security supporting USDI SAPCO and DoD SAPCO. Divine also formerly served as Director of Security for East Coast Operations for ACOM, the evolution of EG&G. And I certainly don't believe I need to talk about EG&G here. Divine's CV from Northrop to supporting DARPA is riddled with extremely cleared work alongside the USG's most top-secret SAP channels. After all, from 2019 to 2021, Divine even supported Randall G. Walden as Deputy Director of Security for the Air Force RCO, or Rapid Capabilities Office, we spoke on earlier and that I focused a ton of attention on in my Air Force project. If Northrop's UFO programs still answer to a government handler at all, even ever so loosely, specifically in Northrop's space sector, Divine would indeed be the man to serve a critical role coordinating such WOAP activities. And again, earlier here, we theorized that at least Northrop's Mission and Space Systems sectors, inherited from TRW, interface with the UFO portfolio, as does, in my opinion, the Aeronautics Division through a deep-six rival to Lockheed's Skunk Works we will speak on shortly.

There are several Directors of Security or senior-level SAP security positions outside of Andrews, Divine, and Freestone that operate under Terry Phillips, Northrop's VP for Security, that I wager have direct hands-on experience with clandestine UFO programs. Just as I wager, there are several executive-level positions alongside Phillips that engage with the UFO portfolio. And such personnel include one Mr. Michael Dempsey, current Vice President for Government Affairs at Northrop Grumman. Prior to Northrop, Dempsey served a very brief stint as Acting Director of National Intelligence under Trump, but served from 2014 to 2017 as the Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Intelligence Integration under the Obama administration, and even served as Obama's primary intelligence briefer. Here, Dempsey led the integration of the US intelligence community's 16 agencies. Dempsey was also a frequent participant in National Security Council Principal and Deputy Committee meetings. So yes, while DDNI for Intelligence Integration, Dempsey reported directly to Clapper and worked closely with Stephanie O'Sullivan. Indeed, I understand Dempsey worked directly with Clapper on the UFO crash retrieval issue. So, if anyone partially briefed Obama on the reality of UFOs, either during or after his presidency, it would have been Dempsey at the behest of Clapper. Intriguing that in this weird operation that likely extends all the way to Lou Elizondo and the fake ATIP program, both Dempsey and O'Sullivan have intimate ties to Northrop Grumman and/or TRW. Of course, prior to ODNI and just like ODNI, Dempsey had a storied career with the CIA. Dempsey served as Agency Deputy Associate Director for Military Affairs. He also served as Deputy CIA Representative to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He also served as Deputy Director of the Weapons Intelligence Non-Proliferation Arms Control Center, or CIA WINPAC. According to the excellent journalist Christopher Sharp, the CIA Weapons and Counterproliferation Mission Center (WCPMC), the evolution of WINPAC, "produces coordinated assessments for senior policymakers on foreign advanced weapon systems and technologies across the space, air, land, sea, and undersea domains, including UAP." How intriguing is it that Dempsey was former Deputy Director of WINPAC? And how interesting is it that within a period of retirement from 1998 to 2001, James Clapper moved into the private sector as Director of Intelligence Programs at SRA International. SRA supported the CIA WINPAC on classified intelligence support and information systems work. Although we don't know when exactly Dempsey served as Deputy Director of WINPAC, maybe, just maybe, he, O'Sullivan, and Clapper through SRA International all crossed paths in the early 2000s on the UFO issue.

So, if Northrop runs their own deep-six UFO legacy programs with limited oversight from the traditional UFO legacy program structure, where are these programs operated? After all, as far as I understand, contractors do not house UFO materials, craft, records, biologics, etc., at contractor locations for active programs. Ended programs, well, that's another story. But let's just say for an active reverse engineering program, some Lockheed Martin compound would not be home to recovered technical vehicles. But a GOKO, government-owned contractor operated, that features Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman might, like Air Force Plant 42 at Palmdale. Indeed, as I like to state, it would be highly cleared hangers on Air Force bases, Naval Air Stations, MRTFs, STIFs, aka subterranean facilities, or again, GOKO institutions such as FFRDC hangers or Plant 42 that would house such materials. If Northrop gallivants around on their own, recovering and exploiting technical vehicles, I'm willing to bet any amount of money a man like Terry Phillips, who literally ran Air Force SAP security, would not place program materials, craft, hardware, etc., within traditional channels and thus risk exposure of Northrop's self-initiated programs. Well, I reckon here that such work would be done on sites with underground facilities, easy top ground cover, or both.

I have long been infatuated with the Northrop Tonopah radar cross-section facility and its sister site, the Lockheed Martin Helenale radar cross-section facility, both located in the Antelope Valley, aka Aerospace Valley, near Palmdale, California. These sites, constructed during the Cold War, operated to utilize high-frequency radio waves to test aircraft's radar signatures. This military testing aids in the development of stealth technologies by reducing radar cross-section, and sites like Tonopah were instrumental in the development of stealth technology specifically for the B-2 Spirit bomber. These sites employed large runways and pylons raised from underground on concrete diamonds as mountain pads to blast craft and materials with radar. Due to Cold War spycraft, much of the infrastructure of Tonopah, Helenale, and the former McDonnell Douglas RCS facility were built below ground to hide from Soviet prying eyes. And if you are skeptical or weary about the actual underground infrastructure here, take a look at this clip from a 2008 video titled "Stealth Video from Lockheed Martin."

"Yeah, original that features footage from underneath Helenale. This is the operations center at the Helenale measurement facility. This room has been used to collect data on some of the most famous aircraft in history and for a number of designs that I can't talk about. What we typically do here is take data to see if it matches our designs, matches our predicted data, and then when it comes out as low as possible, that's always a good thing. Well, I see a lot of things coming. I see stealth technology evolving. I see it being used on a lot more platforms, a lot more aircraft, a lot of other things. Also, uh, right now, an aircraft designed in the late '50s and early '60s holds a world speed record. I see aircraft being designed that'll go Mach 6. We're working on aircraft that go Mach 10. So, uh, Flash Gordon is is coming. And I see that really in our future."

After all, as far as Tonopah goes, the Center for Land Use Interpretation did describe the RCS range as housing "elaborate underground facilities." I have talked about Tonopah and Helenale numerous times throughout my videos, famously discussing the XF-131 Super Sentinel, an allegedly real triangular craft featuring anomalous reverse-engineered components described to forensic artist Bill McDonald in 1992 by two Lockheed and two Northrop engineers hailing from Helenale and Tonopah. Additionally, I have referenced these RCS facilities in regards to a massive network of deep underground military bases that sprawl under the Antelope Valley with major stations under Edwards Air Force Base and China Lake. And I will maintain to this day I am extremely confident that this network of STIFs that performs work on UFO storage, exploitation, and retrieval is very real and very active. I do have to state I do remain skeptical of some of the claims regarding this underground infrastructure, such as some stating Tonopah houses a reported 42 underground levels. However, I do recommend watching my video on DUMBS to learn more about Tonopah and the Antelope Valley UFO-related DUMB specific claims, such as engineers claiming to UFO researcher Bill Hamilton they were involved in digging out a massive complex beneath Tonopah dubbed the "Ant Hill." I will be super plain here. I do believe alongside its traditional RCS work, to like Helenale, was indeed imperative to Western Range UFO Legacy Program operations. The question is, since Tonopah is officially closed as of 2011, did the work stop or does it continue today?

Though RCS testing has been conducted on Tonopah since the 1980s, Northrop was officially leasing the land from Tonopah Ranch Company. This lease continued until 1998 when Northrop Grumman purchased the entire 1,415 acres of land on which Tonopah RCS was located. Of course, clandestine testing continued up until the site's alleged closure in 2011 when it was claimed nearby photovoltaic installations and wind farms interfered with radar cross-section testing. Regardless of its "quote unquote official closing" in 2011, rumors and stories have persisted of strange lights and a vigilant security presence over Tonopah, and I explored several of these in my video on DUMBS.

Indeed, as of late 2024, Northrop Grumman has apparently sold ownership of the property to an LLC. This information comes from the incredible Anders from Uncanny Expeditions. "Interestingly enough, I did a little bit of digging on the way down here and it turns out that Northrop Grumman no longer owns the property. Now, I don't know if they operate here in any capacity, but the actual ownership is now um under under an LLC. Um, and I wasn't able yet to trace the ownership of that LLC, so I'm going to keep digging on that."

And in the making of this video, Anders has made some big breakthroughs on this sale of the Tonopah property and has graciously shared his findings with me, including the Tonopah sales brochure. In November of 2024, Tonopah was sold to a company called EDF Power Solutions. Anders called the company who informed him the property was sold again to a company called Scout Clean Energy that was doing business under Keyhole Wind LLC. Anders has tried reaching out to Scout Clean Energy, including to its CEO, with no success. Essentially, Tonopah Range will serve as an expansion for a major wind energy project to be completed by 2028. And to be plain here, I can observe nothing nefarious or bizarre about this acquisition. It appears to be very above board. Perhaps this sale of land is why recent explorations onto the surface of Tonopah have been conducted by brave civilians. Maybe, just maybe, Northrop's surface-level security infrastructure is no longer present here.

It took until late 2025 for a seasoned outdoorsman, Anders, of course, to get onto the Tonopah property and film some of the RCS runways and pylons. You all know Anders, incredible guy, an incredible channel. I strongly recommend checking out his project, "What Were They Hiding at Tonopah? Scouting Northrop Grumman's Secret Site in the Antelope Valley." Alas, while he did get drone footage, Anders did not travel onto the main Tonopah campus himself. And to be frank, I don't blame him.

Fast forward to the making of this video when an absolute madman with a channel called Wasteland by Wednesday actually set foot on Tonopah's campus in an incredible video titled "Inside the Abandoned Northrop Aerospace Facility at Tonopah Ranch." "I sat here for a moment as fair game giving any legal authority one last chance to tell me something or inform me of my rights, but barring that, all bets were off and it would be time to get low and on foot." Arriving to the compound's exterior, Wasteland by Wednesday was shocked at the clean look for a facility abandoned for 15 years, noting the complete lack of graffiti abandoned sites often feature. "I'm telling you, if I didn't know better right now, I would say that this place was barely closed down just a short time ago. Or at least maybe someone's been caretaking for the place all these years. There aren't even any tumbleweeds or other natural types of debris to break up the uncanny lack of artificial debris. Still, official record, as well as satellite imagery, clearly tells us that this place has been closed and empty since 2011. But despite the official information, that is a hard and unrealistic pill to swallow."

Both Wasteland and Anders, and myself, all believe Tonopah is remarkably kept for a site abandoned for so long. So the question I have to ask here is, is the site staged to appear derelict and abandoned? That is one of my biggest issues here as I walk around. This site is just too clean. The buildings are clean. The cracked asphalt is clean, and even what little apparent vandalism and wire stripping that there is looks like it was done just too clean, almost like it may have been staged. To someone that isn't very familiar with other abandoned locations in the general region and such, maybe this looks normal. But to someone who has spent a significant amount of time in modern ruins, this is very much outside the norm. Our standard desert raiders don't do it like this. And between them, the high winds, baking sun, and destructive critters, nothing stays this clean and tidy for 15 years.

Wasteland's hour-long video on Tonopah campus is absolutely jaw-dropping, and I strongly recommend viewing the whole thing. I mean, seriously, this to me is once-in-a-lifetime type of stuff. While walking through the various hangars, Wasteland found a multitude of spent bullet casings. What is bizarre about this is no bullet holes or subsequent food waste, beverage cans, or signs of presence were found alongside the spent brass that one would expect to find from civilian shooters looking for a fun place to relax. At about 31 minutes into the video, Wasteland entered a room in a building that housed facilities for executives and featured numerous security locks and systems. Within one room, Wasteland found a series of scattered documents, UFO documents, a collection of copies of Project Blue Book documents. And this to me is shockingly darkly comical.

Both Anders and Wasteland got a decently comprehensive exploration of the surface of Tonopah. But as we discussed with infrastructure being housed underground during the Cold War to hide from prying eyes, the surface is not where we would expect to find remnants of program activity. The singular building Wasteland was unable to gain access into is the Tonopah generator room. This building was still locked up tight with meager attempts to make it look like looters had attempted to pry their way into the building. According to Wasteland, when analyzing some of the massive air filtration or cooling stacks on the rear of this locked generator building, Wasteland was able to observe a gated ventilation shaft going towards the underground infrastructure. "Now, uh, Anders over at the Uncanny Expeditions YouTube channel that, uh, that I originally found out about this place through, um, he mentioned that he had information of some underground components to this facility. Um, underground sections that may still be in use. Okay. And this right here, my friends, this goes down. Now, when I start to think about it, I'm thinking that this was never a generator building at all. Something you would definitely need for an underground facility is a way to pump in and filter an air supply. And that's exactly what I think we're looking at here. This was obviously providing a massive volume of air to somewhere. But where do I have any HVAC viewers in the audience who may want to educate me about just how big a system I'm looking at here? Hello."

Anders from Uncanny Expeditions seems to have encountered obstruction of Tonopah's underground facilities himself. Indeed, when analyzing the RCS pylon tracks, where diamonds on the surface of the RCS testing range would raise up from underground housing airframes for RCS testing, Anders encountered an apparent obstruction warding off the underground infrastructure. "But it looks like we have some kind of a pit here, which is interesting. Let's see what we have here. Wow. So, it almost looks like it would have gone deeper and there's some kind of a a cover bolted down over the hole cuz it kind of looks like that ladder would keep going if it weren't for whatever's blocking it there."

So, of course, again, the question here must be asked: Do clandestine operations continue below the Tonopah RCS facility in weirdly both acknowledged and unacknowledged underground infrastructure while using the above-ground closed campus as a top cover, making the property appear abandoned and derelict? Well, the idea of an underground facility using a surface-level cover is not unheard of. In fact, I have covered other examples of this in my DUMB video. Examples here include the CIA operating a STIF, or subterranean facility, underneath the US Army Training Center in Warrington, Virginia, as well as the NSA operating a clandestine facility beneath the Sugar Grove Naval Communications Center in West Virginia. In private conversations, I have heard many testimonies regarding derelict buildings or shacks operating as cover while also housing elevators or access to unacknowledged covert facilities in New Mexico and western Texas.

While Wasteland by Wednesday and Anders were not harassed or chased off the Tonopah range, there are several accounts that say otherwise, implying a strong security presence and bizarre operations well past Tonopah's official closure in 2011. These include a gentleman who claimed in 2020 when riding a bike near Tonopah, he observed a Blackhawk-type helicopter land near the large hangar at Tonopah, sit for about 20 minutes, then depart eastward. The poster claimed when loitering near the security fence, he observed a burst of light from the facility, whereas his skin began to feel like it was on fire. The poster got extremely nauseous and was forced to leave the area for his own health. With all this recent discussion of the Discombobulator, a directed energy weapon, likely in my opinion, a microwave weapon used in Venezuela causing nausea and skin burning to subdue Venezuelan forces. A second look needs to be taken at this testimony. "It can deter individuals on a military perimeter all the way up to a riotous crowd, all without permanent harm. It only penetrates 1/64th of an inch of your skin, goes very shallow uh into where your nerve receptors are. Uh, and there's no uh no permanent injury caused by it. Uh, very safe system. We build in some safety margins and uh uh training for the operators. They even let any of the guests volunteer to test out its effectiveness and safety, including the Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps, Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps, and Assistant Secretary of the Navy. Most described it as feeling like a hot oven or grill being opened up."

I am quite confident in my thesis of Terry Phillips, Freestone, Divine, Andrews, Dempsey, and some others I don't necessarily have the bravery to mention just yet, as leading the security infrastructure behind Northrop Grumman's involvement in UFO programs. If Northrop does indeed operate their own UFO retrieval and exploitation programs largely separate from traditional legacy structure with loose oversight from elements of the DoD and IC, I think there is a very strong argument Northrop conducts such operations in plain sight, yet hidden behind top cover. Though it has maintained prominence in UFO lore for decades, the secrets under Tonopah have still yet to be cracked. I personally believe this derelict, yet maintained, cover facility, soon to be the site for a wind farm, houses extensive underground facilities that actively engage with Northrop's UFO portfolio, with mention of Phillips and his cadre of Northrop security goons operating security and program protection surrounding Northrop's UFO program portfolio, and the possibility of seemingly decrepit sites like Northrop Tonopah housing underground UFO program infrastructure.

The question now must be asked: Who or what institution within Northrop Grumman actually performs reverse engineering and test and evaluation of recovered UFOs? I say this because I strongly believe that Northrop Grumman, even more than Lockheed or other prime peers, has achieved unrivaled success in applying non-human technologies to human-made airframes. Whether it's the TR-3B or a similarly named electrogravitic triangle, man-made saucer-shaped craft, diamond-shaped sleek vehicles, or others. I believe Northrop Grumman has played a deaf hand in the construction of alien reproduction vehicles, and I strongly recommend watching Part One of my Northrop project to learn more there, as claims of Northrop and ARV were a massive component of that project.

As I stated, I believe that both Mission and Space Systems operate within Northrop's UFO activities, largely continuing on the legacy of TRW, specifically TRW Systems Group, as does within Northrop, Northrop's famed Aeronautics Division. Lockheed Martin infamously possesses the Skunk Works division that is largely inseparable from the topic of alien reproduction vehicles and some of humans' most innovative stealth aircraft, and we spoke of Skunk Works at length in my Lockheed Martin project. Boeing has its mysterious Phantom Works as well, we will talk about in a future project. Northrop Grumman possesses, or possessed, its own division that dealt with top-secret and highly classified aeronautics projects that has seemingly largely disappeared. I am speaking here of the Northrop Advanced Technology and Design Center, or NATDC. The NATDC, considered Northrop's own version of the Lockheed Skunk Works, is nearly untraceable with only brief flashes of mentions throughout the 1990s. From what we can discover, NATDC was formed at least by 1991 at Northrop's Pico Rivera facility in Los Angeles County, California. Pico Rivera served as the primary site for B-2 bomber development and production. NATDC was formed to preserve Northrop's expertise on core defense programs and retain/advance technical prowess following the B-2 program, particularly to adapt innovative breakthroughs with the B-2 program onto new airframes.

According to the Secret Projects forum, the 1991 Dayton Air Show featured a handout of several NATDC projects. These designs will be confirmed shortly in a 1992 Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine, but just hold on for a moment. The date and handout in question here shows several airframe concepts from NATDC, as well as a composite STOVL, or short takeoff and vertical landing, composite wing design. We can confirm from newspaper clippings. Airframes here include an F-16 derivative, a multi-role fighter, a high-reliability fighter, the AX, and CASX. Featured here were even more innovative designs, including a low-cost fighter, advanced pilot interface technologies, an arrowhead AX design, and a special-purpose stealth aircraft meant to transport special operations forces.

Now, I would be remiss here if I didn't draw parallels to the Flux Liner story in the 1998 Norton Air Force Base air show encounter of Brad Sorenson. According to Brad, alongside the three man-made flying saucer Flux Liners nicknamed Mama, Papa, and Little Bear, the classified portion of the air show additionally featured intriguing airframes, including the remotely piloted Aurora, a losing competitor to the B-2 bomber, VTOL troop transports, and more. I notice similar designs here between Brad's descriptions, Mark McCanley's illustrations, and NATDC's airframe concepts. If indeed these connections are tangible, one must wonder if NATDC also worked on the Flux Liners and featured their work at the 1988 Norton Air Force Base Air Show.

Following 1992's Aviation Week and Space Technology, almost all mentions of NATDC vanish. And that isn't to say the division was dissolved in the 1994 Northrop and Grumman merger. No, we can find sparse mentions after. These include a 1994 NASA technical report referencing talks given by the NATDC, NATDC being named as active at the Pico Rivera Northrop Grumman location in the 1996-1997 World Aircraft and Systems Directory, and a 1999 NASA paper featuring NATDC under mention of NASA as Research Center, Gravitational Research Branch. Post-1999 however, I can find nothing of NATDC. I cannot help but notice the suspicious timeline that the Northrop Advanced Technology and Design Center disappears right before Northrop Grumman allegedly began their own breakaway UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs. Indeed, I personally believe that the NATDC continues work to this day within Northrop Grumman, but in a capacity even more secret than the Lockheed Skunk Works, serving as Northrop Grumman's own in-house RDT&E institution that constructs alien reproduction vehicles and derivative airframes with little to no accountability with a government sponsor/handler, likely funded through self-funding and IRAD.

To this day, I can only find three individuals connected to the Advanced Technology and Design Center, all three of whom possess extremely robust and accomplished CVs, which again makes me question: Why did an advanced airframe development group within Northrop Grumman, staffed with some of the brightest and most seasoned Northrop engineers, seemingly disappear overnight? One such individual is an accomplished engineer and project manager by the name of Richard Kerrion. Possessing several engineering degrees, Kerrion served from the mid-1990s as a principal engineer for Boeing and principal engineer for Rockwell Collins from 1993 to 1996. However, Kerrion served as a project engineer for Northrop Grumman specializing in propulsion, who began his career at Northrop as a lead propulsion engineer for the B-2 propulsion performance. Throughout his Northrop career, Kerrion served as a propulsion integrated product team leader for a high-budget unmanned vehicle project and led numerous projects for the Northrop Advanced Technology and Design Center. These NATDC projects include propulsion integrated product team leader for an affordable lightweight fighter (ALF) airframe, ITP leader for a short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) joint tactical aircraft (SJTA), and in that position, Kerrion was responsible for "quote coordinating all technical design activities for this multi-role fighter IRAD," and finally, a lead propulsion engineer on a multi-role fighter (MRF). And if you recall earlier, these three airframe designs were featured in NATDC's 1991 handout. Intriguing how Kerrion served a primary engineering role within all of these projects. Since these STOVLs, multi-role fighters, and affordable lightweight fighter designs were never truly realized as functional via multi-million dollar IRAD, one must wonder if these NATDC airframe projects were a front for something more exotic.

We can also look to a 1995 book titled "Creative Action and Organization: Ivory Tower Visions in Real-World Voices" and observe contributor to the book, Air Force Brigadier General Delbert H. Jacobs, who served at this time of 1995 as Vice President and Center Manager for the Northrop Advanced Technology and Design Center. Here we have an additional rare opportunity to learn more about the NATDC. The book describes the center as "responsible for originating, coordinating, and directing all Northrop research, technology development, and design efforts in future manned and unmanned aircraft systems, as well as other advanced..."

applications. End quotes. Jacob's own obituary described this position within Northrup as head of quote advanced stealth fighter design and development end quote.

Prior to his career within Northrup's classified programs, Jacob served a seasoned and accomplished general officer role, including supporting the deputy chiefs of staff, specifically deputy chief of staff for research, development, and acquisition as deputy for general purpose forces. Indeed, prior to this, in July of 1981, Jacobs also served as the deputy chief of staff for plans and programs at Air Force Systems Command headquarters.

As we know from my Air Force project, former major command Air Force Systems Command, AFSC, served as the evolution of air research and development command, ARDC. The major R&D division of the fledgling US Air Force and the now defunct AFSC comprises half of Air Force Material Command, the modern-day Air Force's primary R&D major command. I highly recommend my Air Force project to learn more about how MAGCOMs factor into the UFO legacy program framework.

Lastly here we can look to a 1991 American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics AIAA Wright brothers lecture titled quote technology in the lives of an aircraft designer end quote delivered by it Walland vice president and chief designer of Northrup Corporation's advanced technology and design center. This lecture on aeronautics is one of the AIAA's most prestigious honors. Thus, it is quite intriguing to see a Northrup VP and chief designer of the NATDC deliver such a speech from an organization lost to time.

Interesting to me here is Walland's figure 1 spectrum of designs. Here we can see several incredible engineering feats under Northrup and some interesting projects following the 1980s. These include quote unquote stealth programs featuring a delta or diamond-shaped vehicle alongside the B2 and an amorphous advanced tactical aircraft program. Irv Walland is legendary in the aerospace field. After all, Walland formed and led the design team that created the B2 Spirit Bomber. Walland was named vice president engineering and advanced technology for the B2 division and named vice president chief designer of Northrup in 1988. But weirdly enough his CV has no extensive mention to his work on the NATDC. I am truly perplexed here that such a legend of stealth airframes who literally spearheaded the North Advanced Technology Bomber program outside of this 1991 AIA speech makes no mention of the NATDC.

So, we have seen that the NATDC worked on some incredible aeronautics and stealth projects, including a plethora of airframe designs and featured some of Northrup's most seasoned and brightest engineers. But what happened to the center? As we have shown, mentions of the Advanced Technology and Design Center drop off a cliff following 1999. And things in the 1990s even get hairy sometimes with some documents dropping the design in NATDC for development, including this 1996 AIA paper and 1994 SAPE paper.

Well, we don't know why the center went dark, but perhaps we can find out where it lives today in Northrep's aeronautics division. Recall that the NATDC operated out of Northrup's Pico Rivera facility. In 2000 or 2001, Pico Rivera's laboratories and technical facilities were moved to Elsagundo, California, home of the Aerospace Corporation and rolled under the newly established Northrup Grumman Advanced Systems Development Center, ASDC. In the early 2000s, this new ASDC was critical to RDT&E of UAVs or unmanned aerial vehicles, including the X47A Pegasus, which was funny enough quote unquote company funded in a quote unquote private venture, which quite possibly means a major IRA project in the early 2000s.

By 2003, the year of Northup's acquisition of TRW, NATDC and the ASDC disappear completely. Lost within Northup Grumman, though likely still operating through Northrup's classified aeronautics division out of Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale, California. When you see a black triangular craft with a light on each vertex and perhaps one center light in the middle, I wonder if such a craft featuring derivative technologies is a product of a name only spoken in whispers. The Northrup Advanced Technology and Design Center.

What's going on guys? It is Gerb. And as always, if you have made it this far with me, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Believe it or not, when I set out to make this project, Northrup Grumman part two, or a better description, Northrup Grumman and TRW, my original plan was to keep this video under 2 hours. Um, we saw how that went. I think you're joining me here now about 3 hours and 7, 3 hours and 10 minutes into the project. At this point, it's just impossible. I wanted to keep this a short and concise video, but that's just not how I do things. Um, maybe in the future I'll take on some topics that require a little less to go through. Uh, to me at least, it is a personal miracle I was able to get this project out at all. This has been the hardest project I've ever worked on. Uh, a little bit because of the subject matter, but also because of, you know, the it's probably nothing tour I went to in both Austin and Montreal and then just some life stuff going on. Uh, it it was really hard to get this project done. So, I appreciate you joining me so much. And of course, if you're new to the channel, at the end of these videos, I go on 10, 15 minute rants about, you know, the investigations and what we spoke about and so forth. So, why don't we go ahead and get that started?

I'm recording this outro to the video on the 19th of March. The 18th of March yesterday, Matthew Brown made a new appearance on the Weaponized podcast where he discussed coordinated attacks against whistleblowers from an individual uh whose most recent position was in Northrup Grumman. If that doesn't tell you how imperative Northrup Grumman is to a security apparatus to legacy programs, I don't know what will. Let me be plain here. This individual I have I've talked about Terry Phillips. I maintain and I I tweeted this. If you're watching this, go check my Twitter that Terry Phillips as vice president of security for Northrup Grumman is the tip of the spear for the security architecture behind Northrup's UFO retrieval and reverse engineering efforts. The individual Matthew Brown was speaking about is not Terry Phillips, but somebody who works under Terry Phillips. Now people are saying is that an individual named Michael Smith who's currently uh SAP co for DARPA? No, that it is not Michael Smith. He worked for Northrup Grumman from 04 to 06 working on um SAPS between DARPA and the NRO. So no, but like I said with Phillips, there are multiple such individuals.

So let me be plain here. I talked about Terry Phillips in my Air Force project. I stated or I alleged because remember this is all for entertainment purposes only. I'm playing a characters um so I am making allegations here that whilst executive director of PJ an air force sap uh security director for the entire air force Terry Phillips engaged in reprisal campaigns against whistleblowers. He retired as SCES and those positions in 2021 where he moved on to LOS and now north of Grumman. I believe although he interfaces with legacy operations at both the air force and at Northman these are in different capacities and I need to make that very clear. Whilst operating in the programs for the air force I believe that Terry Phillips and other elements of PJ were deputized assets under the legacy architecture originating from the National Security Council to pursue insider and outsider threat protection. I think for Northrup Grumman, Terry Phillips is literally in charge of the entire security apparatus for Northrup's breakaway programs. And that's one of the biggest through lines of today's episode.

I thank God for David Grush. What he says in a 14-minute interview with Megan Kelly, there is more actionable intelligence in there than three 4-hour podcasts with most UFO personalities or individuals. One of the most critical things David Grush spoke about is that in the onset of the war on terror, certain contractors began using IRAD, independent research and development, to kickstart their own UFO retrieval and reverse engineering programs. And I maintain that that is indeed true and that Northup Grumman is the biggest conspirator of those breakaway efforts. So if we're talking about misappropriation of funds, if we're talking about breakaway programs, illegal use of IRA and so forth, Northup Grumman is where the Congress should look to immediately. And as we proved with both TRW and Northup Grumman, and that's not even mentioning Huntington uh Engles Industrials, I names escape me right now. Northrup Grumman had to settle a lawsuit for their IRAD infractions and funding schemes before, too. So TRW leading up to Northrup's purchase in 2002 had five at least but more five at least in the 1990s IRAD fraud schemes and even more dating back to the GAO in 1986. And as we saw with trends with north of Bremen and Irad right on the onset of the war on terror again, it's to be expected that IRAD for prime contractors would increase seeing as there is a war going on, but we saw a large I think 27% increase in IRAD spending and we also saw that in 1991 up until 2012 there were systems in place where contractors did not have to submit summaries to DTI the defense uh technical information center on their IRA activities. So ostensibly contractors like North of Grumman could maintain IRAD, do whatever the heck they wanted and still build a DoD for it. And in my opinion, that is North of Grumman's own crash retrieval and reverse engineering program.

There are stories, I'm sure many of you have heard of kinetic encounters with various corporate teams. I'm not so sure that although I think Loheed has done that as well, the stories in the public zeitgeist aren't just referring to Loheed Martin. And as we've heard, there have been certain figures associated with Northrup Grumman and very weird programs operating out of very weird sites. So this is a part two, but I could do a part three, four, five, six, seven with Northrup. Northrup Grumman are the bad guys in the prime contractor legacy portfolio section.

There is such a thing as blue programs with UFO legacy programs. These are commonly programs that originate from the National Security Council or elements of the National Security Council. Um, they involve schemes like the administrative structure I proposed in my air force project SAF AAA SAF AQ AFT and these are generally done with oversight not traditional oversight from Congress and the Gang of Eight but strict yet strict oversight channels. So, let's back up now that we we've said all that. Uh, is there So, the project today mainly focused on individuals connected with Northup Grumman and TRW. And that's a huge talking point I want to go through. Again, we discussed individuals like Donald C. Winters with connected to TRW and the SDI strategic defense initiative. If you've watched any of my videos, I maintain quite often that SDI backneled funds to both UFO legacy programs and featured hidden implementations of offensive weapons against UFOs, whether that be X-ray weapons, microwave weapons. I'm not a physicist. I don't know, but I am confident in those assertions.

The primary figures we spoke about today, let's just start with the aerospace corporation. I know we talked about that today. That is imperative because it was a spin-off from TRW and the Space Technologies Laboratories. We talked about Randall G. Walden and we talked about Edward C. Aldrich. I'm not going to talk about Randall Walden anymore because if you want to learn about the RCO, which in my opinion is absolutely paramount to understand when discussing blue UFO legacy programs, Edward C. Aldrich was under secretary of the air force, secretary of the air force, director of the NRO, aerospace corporation, etc. I maintain that the outside activities we learned about in the SAF history of the SAFA SAFA being the administrative assistant to the secretary of the air force whilst under secretary of the air force in the early 1980s. Edward C. Aldrich rolled these outside activities, which were programs outside of the Air Force that the Air Force had administrative and operational control over, in my opinion, joint UFO legacy programs with the NRO specifically, and rolled them under the SAFA, which is crazy because uh those outside activities bypassed the AAZ uh info/ special access program oversight security protection. That acronym so long for me sometimes I even forget. But this AAZ is ostensibly the sapach for various parts of the air force. So that is a huge tipper to me that Edward C. Aldridge who has a storied history at the aerospace corporation was imperative in basically setting up the siloed infrastructure of legacy programs today.

Now Northrup Grumman and TRW we spoke about Stephanie O Sullivan here. Her name hasn't made the rounds as much as I think it should. You know, in that same Megan Kelly interview, um, David Grush spoke that James Clapper had control over elements of the crash retrieval issue and he was supported greatly by his PDDNI principal deputy director of national intelligence Stephanie O. Sullivan. As we saw with Stephanie O Sullivan and let's excuse her former spook career in the CIA because whether it's Michael Dempsey, whether it's Stephanie O'Sullivan, whether it's Myrix, whether it's Doug Wolf, whether it's Glen Gaffne, all of these folks have some sort of very spooky spook history within the agency before uh during and after some of their legacy work. Stephanie O'Sullivan began her career around 1982 within TRW. This was a series of sensitive and classified projects uh for specifically the Navy and then she went on to O and I before moving to agency. I find it intriguing that she crossed paths with Don Meyer in 1981 to 1983 who was at TRW during that time and probably Richard Haver as well as we discussed. I'm sorry if you see behind me right now my screen is going a little bit crazy. Please forgive that. Uh Stephanie O Sullivan is a critical individual to to enter into this conversation about the modern-day legacy program structure.

I believe with confidence, might I add, that Dick Cheney was the last head of the snake of the UFO legacy program structure to have sort of oversight over a wide portfolio of legacy activities. The closest thing to that, no, now the closest thing, not meaning it had he had the same influence or abilities as uh Dick Cheney, but the closest thing, even though I think that position, the head of the snake of the legacy pyramid was a shell of itself by this time was Clapper. So, it is imperative we study Stephanie O'Sullivan. It is imperative we discuss Michael Dempsey, the deputy director for national intelligence for intelligence integration, Obama's primary intelligence briefer that then moved on to Northrup Grumman as vice president for government affairs. Remember on the other side of the prime coin, former vice president of government affairs Mary K. Sturivant who is that VP position from 2006 to 2021 was the individual who back channelneled to CIA DS&T deputy director Glenn Gaffne about the proposed uh Kona blue transfer from Jim Ryder of Loheed Martin space sciences company to the OAP program and bass. So if that doesn't tell you how important that role is I don't know what will.

We also talked about Richard Haver. Richard Haver of course served a similar position as VP for intelligence uh from both TRW and North Grumman. Uh he was a great friend and protege of Dick Cheney as well. He was hand selected by Dick Cheney to serve as um uh I can't quite remember his role at the moment but Dick Cheney created his advisory role to the Secretary of Defense solely so Richard Haver could come work with Cheney. And then Dick Cheney also p pulled um what's his name? Richard Haver to assist with the intelligence presidential transition. So Richard Haver is another individual with quite the stacked CV. I would be very interested to hear speak.

We talked about Terry Phillips again and I'm so happy that that name is starting to make its way into the public zeitgeist. I encourage everybody to remember uh Terry Phillips and we talked about the security apparatus under Terry Phillips and some individuals that I wager work with Terry in the security of Northrup's UFO efforts. These include Vincent Divine, John Freestone, and Kathy Andrews. There are others. There are others that I'm not quite bold enough to name yet. And I think I said it earlier in the video, but that is the truth. That is why when Matthew Brown and George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel decide to redact a name of a Northrup individual on the Weaponized podcast, they are not playing around. It took a long time for me to muster up the courage for me to talk about Terry Phillips. When I made my Air Force project, I had quite a few internal freakouts about naming him. Um, only after a while I I decided to because guys like Terry Phillips, guys like this other person and uh oftent times people connected to Northrep are not good people. They take their insider and outsider threat protection very seriously. And I think as uh time continues, we will start to see that the name Terry Phillips will be entered into the public zeitgeist even more.

Let's talk about some fun stuff too because TRW hold that thought. So, this is the second time in my projects I have teased an exploration into Zodiac. Okay, I know I've done that twice. So, original 1998 edition of UFO magazine. This has the first of three of the Zodiac story. Okay, I just got this so I could have the original prints of the Zodiac story. So, I promise you sometime soon we will do an investigation to that. I want to as well because I find it so intriguing and including I have my problems with Eric Davis. I still listen to everything he says. His recent debate or conversation with Eric Weinstein on American Alchemy. Um Davis spoke that one of his primary sources for his finger on the pulse of the legacy topic was a woman at TRW. So I will do everything I can to find out who that woman is. Whether it's the pseudonym behind SGE Masters, Mary uh can't remember her name at this moment, Elizabeth Scott. We will see.

Also, I wanted to give a huge shout out to Anders from Uncanny Expeditions and Wasteland by Wednesday for their bold trekking onto the Tahone radar cross-section facility. Again, this site was allegedly closed in 2011. I have gone out on a limb and I will go out again that there is a presence of Northup Grumman under Tahone that likely still exists to this day engaged with the UFO issue. As Wasteland said throughout his crazy video, which to me is one of the most insane videos I have ever seen on YouTube, "The site is staged too clean and too immaculate." As he said, the site almost appears as if somebody wanted the facility to look abandoned and decrepit. I'm intrigued by building 113, as am I intrigued with the blue book documents that were left inside one of the administration buildings. That to me is quite a comical troll. Um, and I am interested to see how that stories uh unfolds if more brave, intrepid explorers are willing to go onto those grounds.

What else did we talk about today, guys? There's still much more to be said about TRW. We talked about Dr. Ed Dole as well, Edward Bushnell Dole. Uh, I think being able to connect Dole to TRW to TR to Space Technologies Laboratory to TRW to TRW Systems Group to now Northman mission systems and space systems is imperative as well. A lot of the time, you know, whether I make an Aztec case, whether I make a Kingman case, whether I make a Kexsburg case, a lot of the time these cases or these UFO crash retrievals or these legacy program efforts, you know, when I would talk about Robert Starbacher and Vanavar Bush um occurred in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, Dr. Dah is a perfect example of how 50s era craft retrievalss or 50s era figures can parlay into valuable and actionable study of figures today. You know, Dr. Eric Henry Wang, he gets all the spotlight from the Kingman case, but he died in 1960. I think he was only 54 to 56 years old, which is tragic. Dr. Dah lived a long and fruitful life. Um, he worked on the Manhattan project. He worked on Operation Upshot Knole, SRRI, then moved on to TRW, where he retired as an executive VP in 1979. And as we see with some of the projects he spearheaded and the divisions on TRW, TRW Systems Group and TRW special projects, which was intimately involved with uh Pine Gap Australia and NRO program B that feature the CIA, DS&T. There's real tangible things for us to work with here.

This was a incredibly fun project for me to make. Again, very difficult just with stuff going on, but I'm very happy that we have a North part two now. And when I made my first project, I focused too much on whistleblower claims and so forth. This project is up to snuff with my investigations today. So eventually I'll make a super cut of the two projects and put them together. And at that point, gosh, I think that'd be a 4 and 1 half hour video. So we'll do that sometime. But with that being said, guys, um you'll notice a new background behind me. Trying to spice up the place. It's I still got to play with some of the focus so I can show off some of my goods. Um, behind me to my left is a Lockheed uh, yes, it's a premier. It's a Lockheed ad from 1985. I have a TRW rapid prototyping ad from 1998 85. Above my head, a BDM ad from 1985. And right behind me, another TRW ad. So maybe in the future, I am trying to build build out. I also have a TR3B model behind me on my right shoulder that I'm not going to unbox, but in the future I might set up a PO box or something. So, if there's patches, if there's challenge coins, if there's shirts or cool models people have made or artwork they want to show off, I can incorporate that into the background. I would love to. I'm huge into collectibles. So, specifically challenge coins. Um, that's what I would like the most. At the it's probably nothing tour in Montreal, a bloke walked up to me, said I would have made a great intelligence official, handed me a challenge coin from one of the U Canadian intelligence agencies. That made my week. As same with meeting GSP, George Shane Pierre, the greatest MMA fighter of all time.

With that being said, by the time this project releases, I'll already be on to the next one. Um, I have a Patreon if you want to support the channel. I don't gate content, so please just support what you think the channel is worth. uh your watch, your like, your subscribe, your comment, that means the world to me. And I also have uh memberships as well here on YouTube. Um right now, all I can provide extra for that are some cool badges. So, you know, if you want an AFOSI badge or a cool badge to to comment by, I have that, too. But I I appreciate everybody so much for being here. Um so many bright things to look forward to. I will remain optimistic in the disclosure pro process. We'll see how it goes. Um, remember the name Northup Grumman. Remember that Northrup Grumman is not a good group of people. Remember that Northrup Grumman engages in their own breakaway UFO activities. Remember the name Michael Dempsey. Remember the name Stephanie O. Sullivan. Remember the name Richard Haver. And most importantly, remember the name Terry Phillips. I'll see everybody next time. Thanks, guys. Bye.

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Northrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]

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