DEBATE: South Africans Have Smoke for Blacks Immigrants But NOT White Colonizers

Peace of the saints. We are here today with a conversation. Uh, I have invited now a total of 11 South Africans, all of whom requested to come on to have this conversation. The overwhelming majority of which have no-showed. Uh, but with the folks online, we'll have this discussion about the uh rising tide of xenophobia that has been documented in the world's media, and it's primarily against black Africans. Not against the whites, not against the Asians, not against the colors, but against the black Africans. Imagine being called illegal as an African in Africa. I'm going to yield the floor for the folks online to introduce themselves, and we'll proceed from there.

>> Hi everyone, my name is Ramadan. I'm Congolese. I've been living in South Africa for about 15, 16 years now, and I'm glad to be here.

Greetings, mi everyone, um, both um in the diaspora and in the continent. I am Peshandi, but you can call me Spy. I'm from the Sakosa tribe um here in Eastern Cape in South Africa.

>> I'm glad to have you.

>> And uh, we just added one last gentleman on. Uh, we yield the floor for you to introduce yourself.

>> Oh, hello. Um, I'm Sammy. I'm actually East South African, but I'm based in the UK.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. Thanks.

>> So, you are South African. You're currently based in the United Kingdom.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. Fantastic. And, uh, of those on the call right now, uh, and mind you, to all of these South Africans, they often, you know, whine and complain and claim that they're misrepresented. I've provided all of them the opportunity to come on and represent themselves and their claims, and they're not here. I think that's because they know that the truth does not favor them. And during this conversation, we will explore and seek to find out what the truth is. Uh, for those of you on the call currently, are any of you in favor of what is currently going on in South Africa in terms of the aggressions taken toward the black Africans?

>> No, no, not at all. Um,

>> no.

>> Africa is for all Africans. So, I stand by Africans. Um,

>> in terms of the

>> in terms of the the reaction, in terms of physical violence, extremely out of order. However, the conversation in general, I'm in favor of in-depth conversations rather than talking about the reactions to certain things. I do think this topic deserves a lot more depth, in-depth um interest and discussion.

>> Okay. So, let's be more straightforward then. Are you in favor of stopping or reducing black African immigration into South Africa?

>> Um, I like, I believe many South Africans, in in my history as a South African, believe most South African black South Africans have a a positive view towards um Africa and our our role in Africa. So, our African brothers and sisters. However, I believe that as Africans in general, whether South African or um Africans who are not South African, we have all unfortunately have to um have the consequences of our our governments that have um have yielded results where that have put us sort of in opposition against each other rather of against the topic um at hand. So, I do believe that the reaction um in terms of physical violence is uh is sad um because at the end of the day, we are brothers and sisters as Africans, and I think South Africans in general, knowing our history, it's uh it's how do I say it, should be condemned. I believe that uh we should hold our ourselves and our own people accountable for our faults. However, we should not be scared to tell the truth um that is might be uncomfortable to people in fear that people might um judge us or put us into boxes. So, I would say I try not to be too emotional about the the topic.

>> Do you recall what the question was?

>> I I I I played the the middle politics, didn't I? I did not declare a slide.

>> Yes. You know my fear with you, and everyone will have to forgive me if I'm a bit shorter than usual, for I'm on an hour of sleep, but I still, I still think with that hour, I can manage fairly well in this conversation. So, my eerie feeling is that you uh typify South Africans, which is to say a black human who is merely black on the outside and wholly white on the inside, victim of their ideology, which is quite wicked. You are a liberal white woman. You're operating currently as a politician, which is to say one who is not telling the truth. The hallmark of the black people. We don't excel in too many things. Uh, but one thing that you can find in the black peoples, wherever you find them, whether it's in Jamaica, it's in the United States, it's in West Africa, East Africa, or Southern Africa, we can make it plain. We can tell the truth. But we find when you all have been influenced by the whites, you start to talk like them. You're deceptive. So, I'm going to repeat my question, and you can try to just answer it honestly instead of trying to fool people. Do you believe that the immigration of black Africans should be stopped or reduced in South Africa?

>> Uh, I do, I do believe it should be uh reduced only because uh an over-inflated system. So, if I have a certain amount of resources, the system will collapse. It, it was not designed right to take in an influx of resources. However, the human desire may be to accept all visitors. It's the same operation if I have guests into my own home. I would love to cater for all of them, but I can only do so for a certain period of time. I cannot do that on a continual basis, otherwise my own home, my own children or sisters and brothers um will will struggle. However, this thing of saying that Africans in general should not be allowed to into the country in this case South Africa. I, I don't believe in that at all.

>> You're double.

>> I just want to

>> go ahead.

>> Can I say something? I just want to say something like based on you said that based, based on the resources that you have in the country, you are worried that there won't be enough left for those for your offsprings. Correct?

>> No, it's not a worry. It's based. I'm going to give you a live example. I was very um, I was more um on the pro-African topic where I totally can't. I'm very, if, if I'm a, as you can say, maybe this is an influence of my liberal education, but I'm, I'm more of an open borders personality, but I had to question myself when there was a situation. Let me give you an example early in South Africa, uh, when it talks about school placements. So, in in South Africa, we're blessed to have free uh public school for all um primary and South African students. So, there's a specific amount of uh placements left. So, I am a uh, I, I schooled in private school. So, personally, I was very open. It, it public school does not affect me. However, they uh, when I saw many South African um students um being left outside that, and we saw our own African brothers and sisters. However, there was a lot of corruption involved, right, in this public school system where um certain nationalities right outside of South Africans would bribe the the officials so that their children could get a placement. So, for example, there was one family to have six of their children. So, six brothers and sisters in the same school, right? And then there were South African kids. I remember because uh an associate went to the beach to go and question these kids who are why you're not in school and they said, no, we do not get placement at madam specific.

>> You've been educated in South Africa, correct?

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Do you believe it was a good education?

>> Um, I believe that

>> did you receive a good education? Yes or no?

>> By western standards, yes.

>> Excellent. Now, when you are substantiating an argument, an anecdote or a story is insufficient. I can tell you an endless number of stories. They have no meaning. And what's more, they could be false. Now, you spoke of a zero-sum game, suggesting that allowing the black Africans into South Africa would somehow take food out of the mouths of the blacks that are already there, the Zulu, the all this other, all these other tribes. But this is quite funny because if you look at who has the wealth in South Africa, it's the whites. So, if your real goal is a scramble for wealth and resources, you would not be fighting against these poor blacks who are coming into your country. You would be fighting against the ones who actually have the wealth, which are the whites. It is in your cowardice that you ignore the most obvious target if your actual goal is to secure resources. You just are the greatest victims. You are one of the greatest victims. The greatest victims. The whites operate inside of your mind. I typed in richest people in South Africa. Africa is uh, South Africa is a a black continent. Is that correct, madam?

>> Again, that's a yes or no question.

>> Excellent. South Africa is the country of your forefathers. Is that correct, madam?

>> Correct.

>> Excellent. Richest people in South Africa. Does this person appear to be a black African in this first one? Yes or no?

>> No, they are. They are not.

>> This second one, is that a black African?

>> No.

>> This third one, is that a black African?

>> No. Definitely not.

>> Okay. This fourth one, that's that might be a black African. Hooray. That's one. This one, is that a black African?

>> No.

>> This one, is that a black African?

>> No.

>> This one, is that a black African?

>> No.

>> This one, is that a black African?

>> No.

>> One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. You're one for eight. These are the people. These are the faces that control wealth in your country.

>> Have you shame and dignity that you would ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of wealth is controlled by whites and Caucasians in your country? In fact, just a few years ago, the uh uh NOS's identified South Africa as the most unequal country on earth. And when they say unequal, guess what? On the very top are the whites. And the dirt, disgusting shanty town bottom are the black Africans. So why in your mind is it that you want to make sure that YOU'RE WITHHOLDING THE WEALTH OF YOUR COUNTRY FROM BLACK Africans who are just as poor as you are?

>> No, I do not say that MY

>> NO, DO NOT EXPLAIN. LET HER EXPLAIN.

>> I just want to touch on a small point. I don't want to explain.

>> Do not touch on a small point. Let her explain.

>> Oh, okay. For me, no, actually, it's it's shocking. I know firsthand, 79% of the fertile land is owned by not um the majority, 80% black. It's owned by the whites. So, this is um that that's not our assertion. I was just trying to stick to the topic. Uh, 80% of the nation has access to less than 20% of the resources.

>> So that

>> but you% but you don't name the racial categories of the percent. You're saying the black

>> I'm saying the black people in South Africa.

>> Okay.

>> No, black people in South Africa are um, let's say they do not have um access to the resources.

>> That who has the resources?

>> Those are the top, correct, the white um economic

>> Yes.

>> Now, do you remember my question? My question is, if you're looking at a zero-sum game and you're trying to get wealth into the pockets of the black people, why do you think that you're at a struggle against the Zimbabweans or the Congolese or people from Eswatini instead of being in a struggle against the whites who overwhelmingly hold the wealth of your country? That's my question.

>> No, I do believe the struggle is at the whites who hold the at the country. I'm just saying I'm, I'm speaking in in general from because the topic was xenophobia between black South Africans and African migrants, but that that's I'm not saying it has no correlation. Uh, it's true that there was xenophobic South Africans who focus on those who who are at the bottom, just just as as black. That's

>> you said it was an issue.

>> Yes, it is an economic issue. And you're competing in a zero-sum game against black Africans. So, what I'm asking you is, why is it that you don't go after the real boogeyman?

>> This we do, we do highlight the system. That's why I'm, that's why I'm saying these are the missing parts in that discussion. No, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. This is what's missing.

>> I can show you. I can show you this moment. 10 videos of you blacks hunting down other black human beings and beating them in the streets.

>> FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN they are immigrants.

>> Now hold on. CAN YOU SHOW ME 10 VIDEOS?

>> 10 videos of you guys hunting down whites and beating them in the streets?

>> Just one.

>> Could you, could you do that?

>> What you're saying? This is this is the conversation we have amongst each other as black South Africans.

>> I'm asking you a simple question, madam. I'm not asking you to give me all this unrelated stuff. I'm telling you I can find 10 videos right this moment of you blacks hunting down Africans in South Africa who are not from your country, according to you, and beating them in the streets. Can you show me 10 videos of you guys doing that to whites? Yes or no?

>> No. Not in recent news. But this don't condone this.

>> But here's the thing. It doesn't have to be recent years because the whites have been there for half a century. So, in the last half century, can you show me 10 videos of you guys hunting down whites and beating them the way you beat these black Africans? Yes or no?

>> There are actually videos of of whites beating.

>> No, let her answer. You guys will get a chance. Let her answer.

>> Yes or no?

>> No. Not in the same capacity that you see, which is wrong.

>> Now, do you explain to me the point that I'm making to you so that I know that you're comprehending the point I'm making to you.

>> Your point is that black South Africans this do not have the same energy for white South Africans and other, let's say immigrants who are not our own black brothers, African brothers and sisters as they do towards black immigrants. And I agree with you. This is this is not something that I will defend as an African.

>> Well, then why would you put any amount of time into defending the idea that you should keep out other poor blacks? Why would you dedicate any amount of time? One in five black Africans in your country have HIV AIDS.

>> You guys have the highest levels of inequality on the planet Earth. Why would you dedicate any amount of time to trying to stop a Shona person from opening a damn shop in South Africa WHEN ONE IN FIVE OF you have HIV AIDS and you guys have the most inequality on earth, the people who rule your country economically, ARE EXCLUSIVELY CAUCASIAN? WHY WOULD you dedicate any amount of time to THE MOST PETTY OF PURSUITS UNLESS YOU WERE wholly controlled in here by a colonial mindset?

>> Those people are indeed controlled by colonial mindset. What I'm saying is when you're saying you

>> people, you're one of them.

>> They

>> do not categorize.

>> No, we're not one of them. The people who do that in the South African streets, they they must be judged. They must be arrested. That is wrong. You as an you cannot as an average South African

>> government is doing nothing. The G the Ganaian government spoke up against your government because they're doing nothing. They condone it. And in fact, five of your parties ran ran on anti-immigration, which is not anti-immigration, in fact is anti-black. And you are one of

>> there's a difference between running. There's a difference between running anti-immigration and anti-illegal immigration. Of course, there is nothing wrong with uh migration, illegal immigration.

>> The problem is not immigration or migration.

>> No, I'm saying the issue is illegal. I'm saying among

>> No, it is not illegal immigration. You're an issue.

>> The group that you're talking about that that go and attack people, right? This is what majority of black South Africans. This is what I'm trying to present to you. I can feel your majority of black just like you. Why have they not stopped this vigilante group? If the majority of black South Africans are not rotten, why have you as a civilian, why has your government as an organized body not stopped this group? What are they called? Dudula. Is that what they're called? Something like

>> Think about it. If our

>> Operation Dudula.

>> if our government cannot even stop um a crime that is a blatant, that is in your face, right? That is not difficult to counter. Uh, what now? You going to say they must go after those uh people on the street? Well, that's what I'm talking about. That's the the capabilities in both regard. I'm saying government is incompetent. Is that what you're saying?

>> You're saying your government is incompetent. That's probably a bigger deal than Shona people coming in and opening up shops. That's probably a bigger deal then.

>> A much bigger deal.

>> Are you guys focusing on attacking the black Africans? This is what we ask our our black South Africans because this is not the this should not be the focus. This is what you are very black and white situation.

>> But you yourself said you want to reduce black African immigration.

>> That that does not mean that I'm a pro-criminals physically assaulting other brothers just because they do not have the the name South Africa. That does not separate us from what the whites have done and are continuing to do to us. That is wrong. That is something you must correct in-house.

>> Madam, you yourself said that you are against uh black African immigration into South Africa.

>> You said you'd like

>> immigration. I'm talking

>> I didn't say I question because South Africa.

>> No, no, no.

>> You were asked a question. I never said illegal immigration. I asked you, are you about stopping or reducing the immigration of black?

>> Reducing.

>> Reducing because please stop trying to lie. You threw in the word illegal all of a sudden. We were not ever talking about illegal. You said reducing and we were talking about legal immigration. So, do you admit that you just lied now?

>> Yes, I did say that. Let me, let me clarify because you specifically said reduce. I did say reduce. Um, but the reason why I'm come across the way is I should have maybe elaborated a little bit more by reducing immigration because I've seen that the capacity right that our government and even our own people our cannot take in the influx. That's why I said reduce. If I saw that the system is is working, it's competent, we can manage resources, I will be the first and many South Africans, I prefer my own brothers and sisters rather than these people who are taking over Germans. By the way, we have a lot of German um Netherlands people from all over the world. Um, yeah, you guys love the whites who are

>> You love the whites.

>> Unfortunately, no, no, no. It's so broke. I know. So, I can see it all over the liberal.

>> No, make no mistake. I know I know them. No, I know them because I I've gone to school with them.

>> So, I know the liberal mindset that you speak. I, I, it's my own experience. Yeah. No, no, no. Not my friends. I will say I like to say acquaintances.

>> Let me ask you one question.

>> I would I would much rather accommodate my African brothers and sisters than them.

>> This is a lie. But let me ask you a question. Are you pro-LGBTQ or anti-LGBTQ? And I'll give you an example of how we can validate if you're anti-LGBTQ.

>> So, you would support

>> these are not African values. These are not African values. So, you would support imprisonment for LGBTQ uh behavior in public?

>> There we go. Why? No, I do not support imprisonment like a Ugandan.

>> This is this is what I'm struggling.

>> Uganda is in Africa. I'm just curious. Okay.

>> Yes. Just because one does not

>> If you're anti, how do, how do you exercise like

>> if you're anti, I just want to understand your values. If you're anti-LGBTQ, how do you like, like what would the policy be to show that?

>> Well, my personal uh policies cannot interfere with the law of my nation. No.

>> I'm not asking you my personal policies, madam. I asked you very clearly, if you were writing policy for the government of South Africa, if your stance is anti-LGBTQ, what would the consequences be?

>> Um, my consequences would go to advertising and media. So, I've discovered

>> advertising and media. Okay. Okay. So, that means no politics at all. Got you. Now, why don't you do that for the blacks, black Africans coming in? Just advertise in in media about it. Why do you have to create laws to stop them? YOU'RE SO STRONG ON THEM, but with the LGBTQ, let's just create a let's create a commercial about it.

>> Creating Wait, who is creating laws to stop black uh immigrants from

>> created that you would like to reduce it? That would have to be done through policy. Madam.

>> reduction uh just because

>> yes, I do. I do get what you're saying.

>> but it would go through what I'm saying um reduction, for example, if you went through a proper vetting process, it automatically would reduce the number of because the system is too is too broad. It's like what the American system was doing. They were not, you don't, you don't understand who exactly is entering the. I just looked back.

>> You live in South Africa and you don't even understand South Africa. You have not the foggiest opportunity. You have no chance of understanding America. You don't even understand the place that you live in. Marquette, what do you mean she doesn't understand the place that she lives in? I'll give you an example. So, you guys complain about immigration. The Europeans complain about immigration. It's in both cases, it's because of racism. It's because of racism against people of color, people with melanin. Now, here's the comedy. Do you know what country gets the most refugees? Is it in Europe since they complain so much? Is it in America since they complain so much? Is it in South Africa since they complain so much? Since you know about immigration and immigration policy, do you know who gets the most refugees?

>> No. In in the world? No.

>> You know about immigration? Come on.

>> No. I don't know which country in the world gets the most. I would like to know.

>> Okay. Well, I'd be happy to share with you. Iran gets a huge

>> I can make a guess, but I do not know.

>> Yeah, Iran gets a huge number of

>> Iran

>> immigrants, refugees, and they seem to have no problem with it. I think maybe it's because they're not a racist, hateful country. They're a country that respects the humanity of the people around them. But let me educate you on something very meaningful and pay attention to this, my liberal friend. If your country, which fundamentally hates black people, if your country actually did a good job at the basics, like education, and let's just throw in electricity since you guys are South Africans and you have load shedding, right? I forgot to throw that in there. You guys should probably be protesting load shedding, but let's just talk about basic education. If you guys got a quality education and you had high-level skills, that means that you would be able to operate in a service-based economy or in the economy of the future. You'd be in high tech, in consulting. Yes. What that means, my friend, when poor black Africans come from places that you consider inferior because you guys think you're white, also um the poor Shona come from Zimbabwe, the poor Nigerians come in, the poor people from Ghana, the poor people from Eswatini, the poor blacks come in. They would not be competing with you guys. And let me see if you can fill in the blank. Why would the low-income blacks coming from these other countries who are economic migrants, why would they not be competing with black South Africans? Explain. It only takes 10 seconds.

>> For the lady. Go ahead.

>> I'm saying the problem is that we are in

>> I asked you a question, madam. Why would the poor blacks not be competing with South Africans if you guys had a proper public education system? Please tell me. Do you not understand? It's okay if you don't comprehend. Just say, "Marquet, I don't know the answer." And then I'll fill in the blank for you. But maybe you do. Do you know the answer? Yes or no? If you don't know it, just say so.

>> I'm trying to think before I speak because

>> Oh, okay. You're thinking too slowly. It's fine. I'll give you the answer. Here's the answer, madam. If your country, South Africa, which is one of the wealthiest sub-Saharan African countries, you guys should have great compulsory public education. If they did a good job for you black Africans, you guys would be higher skilled than the people coming from Congo, the people coming from Zimbabwe, the people coming from Mozambique. So, when they come in, they would occupy your low-level jobs and you would not be competing with them economically. That's number one. So, the fact that you think you're competing with these economic migrants only reveals flaws in your existing system, which lets you know that the fat cats at the top, i.e., the white people and the Asians, little buddy, they're the ones that are milking your country and the resources. And some of them go by names like the Oppenheimers. Yes. Some of them own entire mines. And it's so funny that the richest people from South Africa are the Elon Musk or the Oppenheimers, the whites. And you guys are so brain dead that you would like to attack your black brothers who are in the exact same situation that you guys are in. That's true stupidity. I yield the floor.

>> Yes. What you've described is divide and conquer, which is is what is that operation?

>> It's like you you say that you understand it, but you're still abiding by the colonial script, dear. So why even act like you understand it?

>> Well, no, no, no. Um, we are not speaking in-house, right? I, I don't know who my audience is, but amongst black South Africans, I'm saying this is the behavior, the violent behavior is condemned. It is not this is not what I'm saying is when you receive information,

>> be real. What the hell is a condemnation? A condemnation does not stop a man from Ghana from being beaten in the streets. Your words of condemnation DOES NOT STOP THE black Africans who are being attacked. I don't want to care. I don't want TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR CONVERSATIONS YOU CLAIM THAT ARE GOING ON. YOU GUYS HAVE NOT ORGANIZED. YOUR GOVERNMENT IS NOT PROTECTING THE BLACK PEOPLE AND YOU GUYS HAVEN'T EVEN done anything TO GET AT THE WHITES. YOU ONLY organized the protesters HERE AS AN APOLOGIST. YOU HAVE nothing or a crime. No, there are South Africans in the

>> No, there are South Africans in the streets with placards. I think as early as yesterday, um, they are protesting in the streets and coming to the defense of those problems who cannot defend themselves. They're holding placards. No one is illegal. What is it called? Madam, what is the organization called? I'll wait.

>> I never, I NEVER

>> DO NOT LOOK IT UP.

>> DO NOT LOOK IT UP. I'M ASKING you right now. you care and you know you're in West Africa called

>> um, look, I'm just saying this is this is what has happened in religious protest since South Africans care so much about their black Africans and they're trying to stop their countrymen, their fellow citizens from attacking black Africans, what is the organization called that's trying to stop this since the South African government is not doing anything?

>> uh, no, they there wasn't an umbrella organization.

>> Aha. Ah, I see. But Dudula is years old. It's several years old.

>> So, in those several years, you've not created anything to counter their hateful behavior. You guys don't care. You're liars and you're an apologist. What you should be doing is trying to figure out instead of making EXCUSES FOR YOUR FILTHY BEHAVIOR of your countrymen. You should be organizing to stop that evil. I hope that every country in Africa sanctions you and condemns you. I HOPE THAT EVERY SOUTH AFRICAN AROUND THE WORLD SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE THOSE AFRICANS THERE IN YOUR FILTHY COUNTRY. I HOPE THEY'RE ALL TRACKED DOWN AND TREATED LIKE THE DIRT THAT YOU GUYS FUNDAMENTALLY ARE. YOU GUYS BEHAVE JUST LIKE THE AFRICANERS. YOU GUYS WERE WAITING TO TREAT SOMEONE ELSE THE WAY YOU'VE BEEN TREATED. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR YOUR CONDUCT AND ALL YOU GUYS DO IS TRY TO BE AN APOLOGIST AND DEFEND YOUR FILTHY ACTS. NONE OF YOU TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. IT'S APPARENT. IT'S COVERED IN THE MEDIA. YOU GUYS LIE. YOU LIE. YOU LIE.

>> Can I say something?

>> Ladies and gentlemen, I yield the floor. What do you have to say?

>> I think with what's going on in South Africa, I agree with Marquet with the fact that yes, South Africans do not put in do not put as much effort into making into into going into our defense as much as they go into being offensive against us. That is very true. They do not put in that effort. But my issue with, like I've been, I've been in South Africa my whole life. This is basically my second home. I've made beautiful people here. I've made beautiful family here. So, I can vouch when I say it is wonderful people. The issue is now comes with this foreign issue. It arises every three, four years, and you ask yourself why. It's about a political shift, and your leaders are always looking for someone to blame whenever they are not able to make the the changes that they're supposed to make in the country.

>> Right. Right now, you have four ministers in South Africa right now that are under investigation for fraud. I think it's the minister of health, and there's about two more ministers. The minister of police that was recently suspended by Ramaphosa. So, all of that is going on, but then why, why are they continuously publicizing this to-do thing up front? It's a it's an agenda, and it's an agenda that a lot of South Africans are unaware of because of the fact that they are too focused on what's happening on the ground. I'll give an example, right? I live in South Beach, Durban. Um, predominantly where I live in, it's a lot of foreigners, but even where I live, majority of the residents are South Africans. And these South Africans depend on most of the foreign-owned shops to make a living. You see them coming from the townships, dear, especially when you go towards um Victoria Street, which is where I live. When you close these shops, you don't just prevent foreign migrants from making a living, but you prevent also your brothers and sisters from making a living because they they depend on those very shops. And my argument was because I was speaking with a friend of mine the other day. They were saying, "Oh no, we're targeting all foreigners." There's two Chinese stores right here around where I live. Why want those attacked?

>> Why want those attacked? And it's simple. Blacks are easier victims and targets for this Dudula operation than any other races, than any other races. And the sooner that the sooner that the government admits to that, not even the government, I think the people, South Africans themselves should admit to that because a lot of you have relationships with us as foreign migrants. A lot of your parents and um uncles and aunties, they come to us foreign parents and usually tell us, hey, please befriend our child because we don't want our child to end up in the street cuz um there's this stereotype that foreign parents are much more strict with their children in terms of education. We are not so liberal with our kids. Let them do whatever they want to do. We are very strict. Like because when I came here, my mom was very strict with education. I'd finished my m I finish matric um I finished primary, I finished matric, and I'm also working towards my social education right now. That is not to say that South Africans aren't in that system. But you all are given much more opportunities than we are. I can't even get a NSFAS, which is National Student Fund. Basically, it's like a schol, not a scholarship per se, but a loan from the government. We foreigners cannot get that. We cannot get SASSA money. We cannot get um employment easily with the documents I have. I have an asylum seeker. I fled war from Ghana to come to South Africa. There are many things I do not even have access to. Even to open a simple bank account, it takes me three days to get a notification from the bank for them to say you can finally come and open a bank account because they have to confirm if my documents are valid and what not. And I think that's a lot of foreigners have an issue with South Africans. It's like, okay, we understand your struggle with a party, like we understand everything we do because we've been there. That's why we ran from where we came. But the issue now is we are here to try and make a living in the lower sectors. There's no foreign guy that I know that probably like that does that does better than a white South African. You will never meet one. They don't exist. You will never find one that does better than an Indian South African, which don't exist. And again, brings another point. The Indians as well in South Africa. They're not Africans by any means necessary. Even if they're born and bred here, they're not Africans. They come from, they have to cross an entire ocean to go back to their motherland, which is India. So, how is it these non-African individuals are able to get access to basic human necessities? My mom can't even go to the hospital anymore because of this shit. Edington Hospital right here. They, she can't even go anymore. So, the question is, how can you like make it easy for every non-African to get the necessities that every human needs, but not us? And as and as I'm saying, I'm not condemning South Africans. I love these people. I've grown up with them my whole life. My best friends are South Africans.

>> But it's sad to see that you put much more effort into being against us than there is ever effort into putting us into a good light. And that is where the issue is. It's not the fact that you do not perhaps vouch for us. But where is that effort being put into? Because the Dudula operation has been running for years. There's never been any organization made by any South African to go up against that. No, not once. And I've been here from Zuma from the time Zuma was in power, from the time Mbeki was in power, there there's been no organization. But you will see that there are sanctions to protect the rich sections, to protect the Oppenheimer sanctions to present the most families, and these are all people that are extorting the country by none. So, it's like, okay, put the energy you're putting onto me, go put that against them as well. There was a video recently where these EFF protesters went to go protest, went to fight against um white people in a certain neighborhood, and they got fucked up by the whites. And it's like we aren't even allowed to defend ourselves because where I live, it's a lot of foreigners are here. Even though we are perceived as a majority of this area, we will never, you will never see us defend ourselves against these people. Why? Because in our minds, it's already an understanding. This is not my land. I have to abide by the laws of the lands that I'm in. And then you hear South Africans saying, "Oh no, there's Nigerian drug dealers, Ghanaian drug dealers, and all of that." But then, okay, the same people that are drug dealing are being allowed to do these deals by the South African police. They allow them to do that. A lot of drug dealers that are in our area are being protected and being s and being um not taken care of because the South African police allows them to do those things. You can say that we're corrupting the country. But how can we be corrupting the country if the very people that are supposed to be against us are helping us fund these illegal businesses?

>> You understand what I'm saying? So that's where the issue, so that's where the issue is. Put in that effort you put against all my, it shouldn't just be blacks in in my opinion. If this is an issue where immigration is an issue from the Indian all the way to the white European, they should be getting the same retaliation we're getting because they're doing much

>> Okay, let me stop you there cuz you're being repetitive. I'm going to give her a chance to respond to you.

>> No problem.

>> First of all, I do want to acknowledge the points my brother is making, and he's not alone. Even the the friends that I know who are not South African but from other African countries carry the same points. For me, this is what is missing. Listening right to the brother, everything he's saying. This is where whites once again have captured us mentally. Divide and conquer. So, the mainstream media is putting my opinion and your opinion against each other. But actually, we have a a commonality. We both just want to make it. But what happens to the guy on the ground? Like I said, they all at the bottom. Black South Africans at the bottom. Then the African migrants come in, they at the bottom. The bottom fights the bottom. That is the that is the biggest issue.

>> Yes, madam. But you're a part of the problem. You yourself said that you would like to reduce immigration of black Africans. I can tell you the true group of peoples who would have a legitimate reason to reduce the population of black Africans in South Africa, it could only be the whites and the Asians because it would further minoritize them and no one wants to be a minority. So why is it? Hold on one second. Hold on one moment. Since you're talking a good game. My brother, my brother, my black African brother. That's bull crap. You don't believe that? You said that you would reduce black African immigration. So, are you going to change that stance or

>> Okay. Because black immigration was specifically the point that you made does not mean I don't believe the same for Asians and whites. In fact, our frustration, like I said, is those with actual power who are imp. For example, I'll tell you now, there's a lot of Chinatowns like that have popped up. Okay, fine.

>> Yes, I know. I've been there. I've been to South Africa more times than I can count. I've hired employees.

>> They are also unacceptable to anybody.

>> I've never met I've never met a black South African who's put more money into South Africa than I have personally, mind you. And in fact, I can tell you this. I was trying to buy a place in Camps Bay and there quite a bit of challenge. And this is very weird. You know, if an American shows up and says, "Hey, I'd like to buy a place in Cape Town and I have millions of dollars in cash. We don't need to finance it. I'm here for 10 days and we can get the deal done within 10 days and I'll get you the money." Oh, that should be the easiest deal to do on earth. Tried to do with with uh black real estate agents. Didn't work. I don't know if it was they're lazy or they couldn't, I don't know what was going on. Then also, I tried to hire in South Africa. I went through in excess of 200 applications. I settled down with four employees. Two of them were Coloureds and two, excuse me, three of them were Coloureds and one was a black African. And I had to get her way out from yonder to work in Cape Town. I can tell you that the South Africans are extraordinarily lazy across the board. All of them. Every. The only ones I didn't find to be lazy were the older black South Africans, like the old ones, like the ones who were cleaning my beachfront apartment in uh Durban. I always see the blacks cleaning. Usually, when I'm in your country, I'm among the whites because I'm well-off.

>> And you blacks are broke in your own damn country. And when I go to your country, I experience racism, which is a shame to experience anti-black racism in the black land. So, I say all that to say this, madam, can you stop bullshitting us? The topic that I asked you about is why you are against any level of black immigration into your country, and will you abandon that foolish position?

>> No. Well, there's a difference between being against and being pro-moderation. Reduction does not mean

>> what does it matter? That's not your issue. You guys have 20% of you have HIV AIDS. How many people are in your Listen, let me ask you a question. In the building that you're in, in your home, how many people are in your home right now?

>> No, we're family.

>> Your family of five. Excellent. According to your government's health data, which I trust. I trust your government's health data. You're a family of five. One of you has HIV AIDS. Now, you can claim that that's not true in your case, and I hope it's not true. I hope it's not true.

>> But let's say it is true because in most cases, in most in most cases, it is true for black Africans in South Africa. So, let's say in your household, someone in your household has HIV AIDS right now, a deadly disease, which is strange because you guys have a higher HIV AIDS rate than a lot of countries that are a lot poorer than your country. So, you know, something's weird. So, why is it that a deadly disease that does not need to be so prevalent and it happens to be way more prevalent among the black South Africans, not the whites? How come that doesn't bother you so much? You literally have one person in your home right now dying of HIV AIDS. How come that's not more pressing to you?

>> Well, these are the questions people should that's why I say divide and conquer.

>> I'm asking you. We're not asking people. I'm asking you right now in the present moment. Why is that not more pressing to you?

>> You are you are no, you are assuming that we are not pressed by those issues. We are pressed.

>> No, no, actually I'm not assuming. That is actually I'll tell you how I'll tell you.

>> I will tell you why I know that you're not pressed because I've been to more of South Africa than you have because most of you are parochial and provincial. I've traveled more around your country than you have.

>> I've done more commerce in your country than you have. I've put more money into your country than you have. I've hired more South Africans in your country than you have. I have also observed that the money in your country is not going toward stopping HIV AIDS cuz when I was there, I saw more advertisements that are pro-LGBTQ, which mind you is something that spreads HIV AIDS.

>> And the data is there.

>> These these are these are the issues. Homosexual homosexual males are the biggest victims of this, especially when they're down low and then they have intercourse with females. That's why your females have such a high prevalence of HIV AIDS because females are more likely to receive it. The transmissibility is higher male to female of course, male to female to male, the highest, correct?

>> Now you see why we don't have organizations that are dedicated to protecting African immigrants in general. I'm not saying that. No, no, madam. No, madam. Don't, don't, don't try to run. But what I'm pointing out to you is this.

>> You focus on things that are so irrelevant, but literally that which is killing you. And you have five people in your house. The data indicates one of them is dying of HIV AIDS. As we have this conversation, you guys also promote LGBTQ more than any other country on the entire continent of Africa. Of all 54, you guys are these are the agendas.

>> And don't interrupt me. One in a row.

>> HIV AIDS and LGBTQ are major issues that you guys are ignoring. And I know because I've been there on

The ground, and I've been in the halls of, I've been there among the wealthiest people in your country, and nobody cares.

So, that's true. You will not hear me going against that.

Little, little black, little black Shona, little black Zimbabweans. You want to, you want to fight them for crumbs while you're dying of AIDS? That's what you want to do.

Look, no, that I think you are, I all your points are very sound, actually, but I'm saying you're making the same mistake that you're that you're accusing black South Africans of: one blanket statement. You are also, you're saying all black South Africans have this singular viewpoint. This is not.

I am saying that black South Africans are guilty. You guys are guilty of being the most colonized black people on the entire planet Earth, literally. And further, I am stating that in your colonial mindset, you keep yourself oppressed. The whites don't even have to do it proactively. And because you guys are so oppressed psychologically, you become the overseer seeking to oppress the other blacks that come into your territory, thinking that you are somehow above them, only because you have been more associated, more approximate to whites in your recent years. So, I, I go to many African countries, and the funny thing is, when I get around the black South Africans who, mind you, are broke. All of you ARE BROKE. I'VE NEVER met a WEALTHY BLACK SOUTH AFRICAN EVER. But you guys feel so like, "Yes, well, I'm South African and I speak with a British accent, and oh, the other blacks are so bad off in the other countries." Well, you guys are really resting on the idea that South Africa is a wealthy country, but y'all don't have the wealth. The whites have the wealth. So, it's like you have this arrogance for no reason. It's very strange. That's how you guys are.

Yes, should never.

Yes, many, many people are like that, but that is not.

I know. And I have a, I have a comparative basis. Uh, I, I have a base of comparison because most of you guys have not been to Namibia, even though it's very close. You've not been to Zimbabwe. You've not been to Uganda. You've not been to Mozambique. You've not been to Rwanda. You've not been to Congo. You, you, some of the immigrants may have come from these places, but you guys have never been. So you just sit there based on your social media and your television, and you guys arrogantly think that you're better than these blacks. And then you try not to identify with them, even though you look like them. Yeah. I'll tell you what, you have that mindset. But.

Let me tell you a funny thing.

You said that you're or what? That's what you are. That's what you are, madam.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's, you know, the funny thing that makes you black South Africans look so brainless. If I lined, I bet I could find a woman in Zimbabwe who looks just like you. I bet I could.

We are all, especially sub-Saharan Africa. We are all a bunch. We come from the same mother and father.

Yes. Yes. That's what you say, but that's not what you live. So, you attack someone who looks just like you, but you let the whites and the Chinese, you let them slide.

You guys should be so ashamed. You shouldn't, you shouldn't even be able to look in a mirror. You should be so ashamed. You, you should be so ashamed to consider ending it all. That's how ashamed you guys should be. I don't want to hear you calling them your brothers. Who treats their brother like that? You treat them like you're treating black Africans, you guys treat black Africans like they committed apartheid against you. That's how you treat them. You guys treat them like they committed apartheid against you.

That is certain people do treat that. But I'm saying these, these, this is not the mindset of Muslim.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And you're lying. The reason that I know for a fact that you are lying is because if South Africans were against it, it would have stopped.

Do not sit here and lie to me, Matt. You are deluded. If the majority of South AFRICANS WERE AGAINST IT, IT WOULD STOP. They're sitting there AND THEY'RE DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHY IT'S CONTINUED for years on end. YOU ARE A LIAR AND I WILL NOT SUFFER YOU LYING HERE TO THE PUBLIC. THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL A MAJORITY THAT DOES NOT CONDONE IT WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED IT. YOU DO NOT SIT IDLY AND LET SOMETHING GO ON IF YOU'RE AGAINST IT. You guys, at best, at best, the black masses in South Africa, at best you're indifferent. At best, you sit back and say, "It has nothing to do with me." But to say that you guys are against what is happening to your fellow blacks, that is a bald-faced lie because you would do something, and you've done absolutely nothing. You guys don't care about those black South Africans because you don't even care about your damn selves. You don't care about yourself. How could you care about them? The only people you care about is making sure that the whites and the Asians that are above you, that you could hold them up as the impoverished foundation of this country. That's all you guys are concerned about. Let, let us hold them up. We can't have the other blacks come in here and be slave labor. We want to be the slave labor. That's what you guys care about.

Unfortunately, this is how South Africans in government, at higher parts in government, this is the exact problem what you're describing. This is how they think. They don't even like their own black South African people. So imagine if you, if you are a black South African, you got a high position in government, you do not prioritize your own people. Are you going to prioritize those who are who are not even South African blacks? That is, I'm saying that's the issue. The issue is the people at the top.

You're talking, you, you're referencing all of that. You're not, you're not realistic. You're talking about the people at the top. You yourself are against black immigration. You said you'd like to reduce it. You're the problem. See, that's my whole point is you delusional liars. Like everyone else is the problem. No, you, I'm talking to the problem. That's why, that's why I'm passionate because I'm encountering the devil in front of me. You are the problem. You.

You, you are black everyday.

You typify their mentality. You typify their mentality. Lie. Live in delusion. Support the whites. Want to reduce black immigration. You're typical.

Support the whites.

No, that South Africans are not pro.

Those with power are pro-whites. South African, the average black South African who is well profound in the history.

Madam, your hope is white.

Our government, unfortunately, is captured. This is a problem that all of us black South Africans, this is our number one issue.

Well, then why are you trying to reduce it?

Is that, is that the people do not have love for themselves? They, they do not care for. I can never care for my a guest or visitor if I cannot care for my own brothers and sisters. This is a government issue. I understand maybe I'm the only South African in the chat. That's why maybe all the energy is directed toward. I feel your passion. Your points are are clear. However.

Passion, you could never. You don't have a heart, madam. You're not like me. You're not, you don't have the soul of a black person, madam. I can tell you, you do not have any sense of what I feel. I feel murderous rage toward your people treating my black people coming into Africa, coming into an African nation as though they are somehow less than human. You guys, you South Africans have gone into hospitals and you have kicked out sick black people seeking treatment. You guys are devils.

That's how I feel about you. You guys are devils.

That is, that is devil behavior. That is true.

Yes.

That is true. But that is not all.

But that is not all South Africans.

Yes, it is. I'll tell you why it is. It's all South Africans for the mere fact that we have never seen an organized effort to stop it.

Yes.

So, I'll give you an example. Madam, don't interrupt me, young man. Silence.

All right.

Madam. If I'm standing next to a grown man taking advantage of a girl who is a minor, and I stand there and do nothing, can I rightly claim that I don't condone it? I mean, I didn't actively abuse the girl with him. I didn't actively lay my hands on her. But if I stood there, could I call myself a good person, a good man, while I watched the crime?

You guys are all investigators of the crime. You're not good people. You guys are devils. And I will not call you anything other than a devil until you guys do something. And I pray that you guys are hunted wherever you are found outside of Africa, uh, South Africa. I pray that you are all hunted until you guys raise up your voices against us. Until I hear a Trevor Noah speaking against us, till I hear an Elon Musk speaking against us, whoever else, Siza or whatever the hell that harlot is, whatever South African is outside of South Africa, until they are pressured to speak up against us, they should be hunted. Now, my friend from Congo.

I just say I wish that all, all sectors were like that. I wish that we would handle issues. Issues being an anti-black racist. You could stop being an anti-black racist. You could stop being against black immigration. You're in Africa. That is the land of the blacks. When you stop being an anti-black racist, then I will respect.

Immigration. I wish the whole African diaspora can live in Africa.

You're a liar. You're a liar. You yourself said you are wanting to reduce black immigration. Stop lying. We heard you.

Why are you lying?

Oh my goodness.

What do you mean? Oh my goodness. You said that you wanted to stop, uh, reduce black immigration.

I, I answered your question as, as you, just because, but that does not, that does not mean that.

Just, uh, that does not mean I'm exclusively against black, uh, um, immigration. That is not the, the case.

Madam, I asked you about black immigration, madam.

Yes. You, you said, "Do you believe that it needs to be reduced?"

Are you lying now? Yes, it. No, I'm not lying. But the way you are, the, the manner of venom that you're angling the question as if, uh, I, we only care about black, um, reducing black immigrants into South Africa, whereas that's not the question you asked me.

Uhhuh. I see. Uh, the gentleman from Congo, I apologize. What is your name?

Ramadan.

Ramadan. Okay. Ramadan. Uh, may I yield the floor to you?

Um, no. What I just wanted to say was what the black guy is saying in terms of like allowing, stop allowing illegal immigration, but I don't think that's just blacks that are immigrating illegally. You know what I mean? So.

Exactly. Exactly. So many Chinese.

It's a really blank.

Yeah. But to Marquette's point, I think his anger stems from the fact that, you know, when that man went inside the hospital and started taking out people, no South African stood out to stop him and be like, you know what, these are people seeking assistance just as us. Why are you stopping them from going to the hospital? It's not a thing of whereby the, the change has just has to be done from the top in order for us to see, to see change in South African people. It's a thing of whereby you, all the people at the bottom who are able to make the change necessary to stop the incidences are not doing anything as well, instead of looking up, instead of looking at the top, whereby, of course, we know there's already problems at the top. Why aren't we, those at the bottom uniting together as Africans in order to fix those issues? You see, I told my friend one time, if black South Africans were really about Africans, they should have formed an alliance with black Africans who are coming from these other countries to seek a better life here. Because that way, you, you do not just have alliances with people in your country, but you have alliances with people outside of your country. You're building a diaspora within the country of South Africa in itself. And that's why a lot of South Africans fail because of the tribalistic mentality that a lot of South Africans has, which is not a bad thing. I respect the Zulu also, Sotho, like, it's, it's, it's a beautiful culture. I, I love it. But then you'll see yourselves as Zulu before you'll see yourself as black. That is the issue. I am before I am black.

I am Zulu before I am black. And when you start thinking like that, it prevents you from seeing what's really going on around the world around you.

He prevents you from seeing what's going on around you as an individual, especially as us black people. We are not already liked and fond of in many places. Why would we make a place where we should feel like home even more difficult it is for us to live in? You know, so I understand his point and I understand his anger. So it's a thing of, but until one South African, because you don't even have to go far. There's Vousy Tempuo, there's Trevor Noah, there's Chalice Terron, there's Seioi, there's a lot of, a lot of these South African celebrities who can come out and be like, we should be against this. Even musicians Kaspan, who has made music with other African artists who are not from South Africa, why they, why aren't they saying anything? And as I said before, it's an agenda. The government is looking to pin the, the shift and focus of the people onto someone else. But because of how, as well, misled South Africans can be with their own politics, it is easy to manipulate them into thinking something that is not true.

Now, that I agree with. Yes, it's very easy to manipulate people who are hungry, who are in poverty, divide and conquer, like I said, it lives today.

Uh, you black South Africans are in mental poverty above all. And you know, I recall coming there on my first trip to Joburg. I stayed in Maboneng and I went to, uh, one particular tour in Soweto, and the tour guide, uh, took me to one place and he told me about the constitution and he told me about some of the things that sounded beautiful about your people and about your nation. And he said that, you know, in South Africa, we, we give free education. Said in South Africa, um, we have free healthcare. Said in South Africa. And I said, "Is that for anyone, like including me, if I had an issue while I'm here?" He's like, "Yes, brother, you, you could go to the hospital and, uh, no bill." Oh, interesting. And it sounded so nice as an American. And he said that, um, you know, all these things that sounded so nice. And those were lies. Like, you guys have not delivered on that. Like, those were fundamentally, uh, lies. And I don't know if he was lying to me or if he was lying to himself. Like, I understand that have a constitution that's supposed to provide for some things. And admittedly, I don't know your constitution very well. Does your constitution claim that anyone can get free education and free healthcare in South Africa? Is that the letter of the law?

No, it specifically refers to South African citizens.

Ah, so it always said South African citizens can get free education and free healthcare in South Africa. The citizens.

Yes.

Okay. Well, I appreciate you clarifying that. Uh, so, what happens if people who are not citizens try to get healthcare in a hospital?

Well, uh, well, I'm particularly close to an immigrant community, uh, particularly Angolans. Most people that I know, it is available anyway. But now you see in the news, this has been going on for a long time. You're seeing people kick people out of hospitals, all, all these things. It's been happening, but now the people are like, "Wait, our South African constitution says that this is possible for Africans." And like I said, the system is overrun, is basically what I'm saying. There's no space. People have been giving, uh, birth. If you walk into just a random ward, let's say at Baragwanath, it's one of the biggest hospitals in Johannesburg, you will see how dismal the situation is. You have mothers literally giving birth on the floor, you know, in bathrooms. That's.

Maybe we need to get some of that money back.

Maybe we need to get some of that money back from the Oppenheimers. Are the De Beers from South Africa or am I making that up? The Beers. Are they from South Africa? Is that South Africa?

I forget because they sound like. Where are they from?

Oh, these people.

They're Dutch. Those are Dutch.

They're not in South Africa.

This should be our actual conversation. Look at what's missing from the.

You know why it's so easy for me to get confused on whether it's the De Beers or the Oppenheimers? Cuz like, are those African surnames?

No, not at all. Not at all.

Not at all. But they're all over Africa and they come from Europe. So it's just like.

And they're eating off our land. They're eating off our land and our people. It's, it's really sad.

Forget who your owners are. I just know that they're white. That's one thing I can always rely on is that they're white. But let's check this out real quick. Uh, and of course, ChatGPT can be inaccurate. I was just curious as to if that tour guide was lying to me because it all sounded so very good from my South African tour guide on my first trip many years ago to South Africa. My query is this: Does the South African constitution allow for non-citizens to get healthcare? That was my query. And ChatGPT stated, "Yes." And then it elaborates, and this is the proper way to answer a question is to first say yes or no. I know a lot of people have trouble with that. It's a function of being honest and straightforward. So I think this software, yes, South Africa's constitution does allow non-citizens to access healthcare, but the scope depends on the situation. The key provision is section 27 of the constitution. I did ask you about the constitution, which states that everyone, and "everyone" is the primary word that's used. I do believe English is the primary language in South Africa. It's my primary language. Everyone, and I knew what that word means, everyone has the right to access healthcare services. The word "everyone" is deliberate. It is not limited to citizens. H, uh, it seems as though, and I asked you earlier if you felt like your public school education in South Africa was any good. You said yes. Maybe that's not true. And if it is not true.

I apologize. Yeah, I apologize. I, I stand corrected. Yeah.

You don't have to apologize.

Let me put it this way. Let me put it this way. Um.

Do you, do you have to interrupt me right now? Do you have to interrupt me?

Sorry.

Like, must you interrupt me? Like, we're right now we're observing that you were just wrong. So, when you're wrong, that would suggest that you are in lack of knowledge. And when you're in lack of knowledge, you should probably not cut off someone who is in possession of knowledge. Because if I were you right now, I would be silent primarily because I'm embarrassed that an American is telling me about my constitution. I'd be embarrassed. Like, how's this nigga know more about my constitution than me? Cuz it's actually not supposed to work like that. You see, it's not supposed to work like that. I'm not supposed to know about more about your constitution. Also, I'm not supposed to have been to more of South Africa than you. But of course I have because you were destined to be poor as a black South African and your infrastructure and your train system is not affordable to you to get around and see your beautiful country. So I have to come over as a rich American and see it for you and gather up all the information and then tell you little South African about your country because you apparently don't know. So I, the American, am teaching you, the South African, about your constitution. I'm teaching you about your, uh, system of power because you don't know. That's why you shouldn't interrupt because you, you just fundamentally don't know. The constitution is one of the most fundamental things in every society. You don't know. And it's actually quite critical to this discussion. And just earlier, you gave an anecdote about your family member and education and healthcare. So it's important that you learn about the constitution. I'm just reading what is written here. You should learn about your constitutions. I'm just going to read this to you because you lied to everyone. You lied to a thousand people watching this live now. Emergency care, very broad access. Section 27(3) says no one may be refused emergency medical treatment. This applies to citizens.

That's correct.

I know it's correct. I'm reading it here, madam. Like, what? Why are you interrupting? It's so strange. Undocumented migrants. Yes. Okay. Very good. So, now we at least have a basic understanding of your constitution. And there's some other parts we could go through, maybe the education part, but it's all good. We'll just, just leave that to another time. Now, I yield the floor to you.

Uh, I apologize. Um, I do stand corrected. Um, I didn't know that particularly about the, the medical, um, healthcare. That's true, both. I, I specifically didn't know about also, um, illegal undocumented immigrants, but it, it makes sense when you look at the Hippocratic Oath. Um, but the, the reason why I know a little bit is like I said, I have close ties to the immigrant community and I know a few people who have received free healthcare from the system, but I, when they were doing that, and they were illegal immigrants, even though they are my friends or or my community, I thought they were, I thought they were bending the law or or I thought they were, I did not know that they were in within their rights when they were doing that.

Well, that's why they call me the saint. I do God's work. You're welcome. Now you can look upon them with more regard, and I've blessed you with knowledge of your own political and governmental structure. You're welcome. This is what I'm here to do. We also have a, uh, a section called Sassin Africa. This is across various African nation-states. The headquarters is in Nigeria. We have a significant population in South Africa. Our number one charge is to teach identity. You know, unlike the Congolese gentleman, um, Ramadan, I do not believe that you have to be black before you're Zulu or Xhosa or whatever tribe you identify with. That's, that's fine. That's your ethnicity. Black is your racial category, but certainly you should be black before you're South African because South African is what the whites told you you are when they were taking advantage of your grandmother and abusing your grandfather and enslaving their children. South African is a false construct, you see. So certainly you should be black before you're South African. And so we teach identity so that you all would know yourselves because most of you don't know yourselves. Like, uh, you said that you are closer.

Yes.

Yes. But Xhosa did not exist like 700 years ago. I'm just saying that because that is how identify today.

Okay.

Southern Africans.

Yes. Yes. Yes. So both of your parents are.

Both of your parents are.

Okay. Fantastic. What, what do you guys, what do you guys generally look like?

Fair skin.

Like physical features.

Physical features, um, generally round, a little bit lighter in complexion than most South Africans. At least that's.

When you say round, you talking about the face or the body? Like what do you mean by round, like shape, like, well-shaped or like?

Yeah, shape-wise, our, our women are a little bit thicker, both in the, the body, upper and lower body. Um, a little bit lighter because of ties between the Khoisan men.

And earliest settlers. So those are the, but the fact is, we are all Bantu people. South African, Zulu. And then even worse, I think the brother is from Congolese, actually. Our roots is from Congolese. You, Kongo, are you Bakongo?

No.

If you look at our languages.

I'm Mues. If you look, there's a connection in our languages that trace a common lineage, common ancestry, which a lot of people are ignorant of, particularly South Africans. Because like you asked earlier, if our education was good. No, not in terms of African history. Most South Africans do not know that we're actually Bakongo from the Kingdom of Congo, with a K, not a C.

Um, before Africa was sliced like a cake. You remember the.

Wait, wait. Who sliced it? Did you, did you guys slice the cake or who sliced the cake?

No, the colonizers.

No, the whites.

It was called the Berlin Conference. The Berlin Conference was also called the Congo Conference. Hence, you were correct about South Africa being a construction. So, this is, this is what we do behind the scenes. The education that you are talking about.

Uh, people would not treat each other. It's ignorance, right?

Yeah.

If they knew, they would not treat each other.

So, that's why we have SAS in Africa and that's what we teach. That's why I said identity. I said, first and foremost, we teach identity. You see, because if you knew what it actually means to be black, not only on a historical level of your ethnicity and your tribe, but also on a genetic and biological level, uh, you understand the linkages that you have, then maybe someone like you would not have the silliness to say that you'd like to reduce black African, uh, populations in South Africa because you mentioned Bantu. I trust you've probably heard of the Bantu migrations and that land that you're on.

That my own ancestors were a part of.

Yes. Yes. That is all.

So that's on my ID. So I put on my ID in terms of modern terms. I believe Africa is for Africans.

No, you, you don't believe. You don't believe. You say because if you believed, you would not have mentioned that you want to reduce black African immigration into South Africa. You are, you are deluded, madam.

But you don't, you don't know why men must lead because you.

Okay, let me, let me give you an example. You get two types of people. You get people who want to reduce immigration purely on their own, uh, xenophobia, right? They're thinking that they are better than others. And then you get others who were taught charity begins, uh, at home. I see my infrastructure collapsing. I'm making an example like the hospitals. Of course, I would like to accommodate all those. I'm aware of the struggles that is happening all over the African continent, particularly in regards to healthcare. And I know that in South Africa, we are blessed. Our healthcare system is at least, um, more established in terms of professionals. Sorry to cut you.

However, we do not have the capacity. We don't have the capacity.

I have to admit that I don't want to.

Wait, wait, wait. Let me just say something. Right.

That would be true.

I wish.

That would be true if foreigners were at least even 5% of the population. We barely make even 2%. And that's the thing most South Africans don't understand. There's not that many of us here. Like, we, okay, I was reading the comments. One gentleman said over 60% of all prisoners are foreigners, which is a lie. We only 15% of prisoners in the country. You, you see, but that's my point right there. Most of you all are assuming.

That we are a majority in the country. We're so small. Like, even in areas where you, we, we are a lot, the predominant, the predominant people would be South Africans. It's just that foreigners come together so that, you know, we're able to stick to our own, speak up, you know, speak with people who understand our languages, and not even that, get connection and not to live in the country better from those who have lived there longer than us. That thing of a lack of resources, it's a lie because we, we only 2%. How can we be taking so many resources if we only 2%? That doesn't make any sense.

I've read, I've read much higher figures, such as like 7%, which is still low. But yes, he's correct in that.

Why he, he's correct in that the hatred is not based on anything other than your emotions and your stupidity and your colonial mentality. Full stop. More importantly, um.

Especially, um, are you based in, uh, probably not Cape Town because, uh, it's more so a lot of whites in Cape Town. That's where I usually go. I went to it was okay. Yes. Go ahead.

Yes, I was schooled in Cape Town. I just moved back a month ago.

Okay, very good. Uh, when I next time I come to South Africa, can you have me a couple super thick South African chicks lined up for me? Can you look out for your boy?

Oh my goodness. Why are you Why are you guys talking about.

I'm on now.

I'm on now. Can you look out for your boy?

I respect a lot of the work that you do. Look, I think our people sometimes they do not. We do not like to hold each other accountable where we should be.

Just real quick though, real quick. Somebody, somebody has to do it.

Question. On a serious note, can you have a couple chicks lined up for your boy? I'm just trying to figure out. If you can't, you can. I get it. But I'm just trying to figure out.

No, that mentality is, that mentality is contributing to our, our AIDS. Didn't you say our AIDS, uh, epidemic is too high?

You know, that's so funny that you said that. That no, no, no. It's really fascinating. You guys hate a powerful black man. You hate a powerful black man. That's why I like to play with you because you're a liberal white woman. That's why I like to play with you. You see yours is like, "No, no, no. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. You're done here. You're done here. Now you can listen. One in five of you have HIV AIDS. I'm a wealthy businessman from the United States of America. It's very low probability that I have anything to worry about.

No, no, no. Don't interrupt now. Don't interrupt now. Don't interrupt now. Don't interrupt now.

And also, let me know if this is true. Is it legal to marry more than one woman in South Africa? Let's see how well you know your laws.

According to customary law.

According to the law, yes or no? Is it legal or illegal?

It's legal.

It's illegal. Thank you. You see, I know your laws better than you. As it turns out.

Oh, you didn't say why. You said she.

As it turns out. As it turns out, there's a difference.

As it turns out, I know your laws better than you. So, just pay attention. So, the problem with the liberal white woman, which is what you are, is that you are a, a poison on the earth. You guys are the ones who reduce the black population. You weaken the black people. Someone like me, you should want men like me, black men like me who are powerful and wealthy and influential to procreate in great numbers. You should be actively facilitating that because I strengthen the black nation. Not only me, but those like me. We need more of me. We need less of you. Okay. But anyways, just quick question. One second. I know. Sai. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. Um, to the Congolese brother, I know you've been over there a while. Who's thicker? Are the Zulu girls thicker than the Xhosa?

It varies. I'd say depend on which part of South Africa you are in.

No, I'm, I'm genuinely serious. I've lived here for 12 years. It varies. You cannot say one group is thicker than the other.

Wait, who's the baddest though? Who's the baddest?

Who's the bad? Zulus by Zulus and by.

Hey, but check this out. Listen, I thought that the, uh, the Xhosa are slimmer women, didn't like I had one on my first trip.

No, they're not.

No, that's actually Ramadan. You, you need to, you need to weigh in on this one. Ramadan. No, the, the.

You need to weigh in on this. In my experience, as I said, right, Zulu women are the, the prettiest in terms of body features. Like they are.

Okay.

Facial.

More submissive.

Yes. More submissive. Like they, they very big on submissive in the Zulu culture. That is.

Wait, word. Even the, even the liberal white woman feminists, they're more submissive. If she says it, it got to be true. They're more submissive.

Yeah, they, they're very submissive.

I'm trying to pick up on your type. If you're looking for South African, go for, um, maybe Zulu.

With a likely a rural upbringing and then went to university.

I don't, I don't even need more liberal.

I need something unique. I need, uh, sim, I need a suburban upbringing with no university. You hear me? Because a lot of chicks, they go to college, they come out still dumb. This is like total waste. Like, why even wasting time? Yeah. Good luck with that. I know. Look, you will find.

Actually, the ones who grew up maybe more rural and then had an education, I find are more down to earth than those who actively grew up in the suburbs because our education and our indoctrination at these white private schools was very heavy.

And into social media.

And for example, I admit myself, like at least my parents did me a favor by always taking to my elders every year, but it's really not enough. Uh, after the.

That's been my whole argument with you the whole time is your liberal white.

Yeah. The kind of girl you're looking for. I would not look for someone who grew up in the suburbs.

I would say someone is, I'd say like a lot of African parents, we be South African or non-African, they praise the Western ideologies more than they praise the African ideologies. I speak two, like, for, I speak French and English, like those are my two predominant languages. I can speak as well.

I don't understand that. Why can't the least do that? I was so upset in Angola. They refused to speak their mother tongue. I didn't not understand.

Wait.

The issue is.

Shorty, you got to stop playing, especially. You have no credibility out here. You got to stop acting like you like.

Judging me on my look. I had to spend some time, right, to, you know, decolonize my education system. And I'm still getting out of trap you in a chair. Okay.

No, I'm not judging you on your accent. I'm judging you based on the fact that you're a black human who said you want to reduce the influx of black humans into South Africa, and everyone heard.

But you immediately took that and you ran. You did not listen to the, the reasoning.

No, there is no reasoning that makes that sensible. There is no reasoning that makes that sensible. You should know in your country the whites actually, the government at that time, they had a program to reduce your population of blacks.

And that's why, that's why when you look at the HIV AIDS prevalence, I'm here to tell you that.

It was not because you guys are like so much more promiscuous than the other Africans. Look at all the African countries neighboring you and look at their prevalence of HIV AIDS. It's much lower.

It's much lower. Yes.

Yes. So, you live among.

Yes. So, here, here's the thing that's crazy though, my dear, is you are a black woman sitting there among whites who injected your people with HIV AIDS, and your priority is not to deal with them, but to to deal with other blacks. That's crazy. And.

No, that is your assumption.

I didn't choose my name. People need.

I have, I have a grandfather. I have a grandfather who.

Yeah. No, what you're saying is, I will just make an example.

Yeah. I have a grandfather who was one of the first black doctors, right, in South Africa. You know, in South Africa, we had like the Bantu education system which limited black people from getting a real education, right? That wasn't like labor.

You guys still don't have a real education. You still don't. But, um, 128, what did you have to say? Did you have something, uh, you want to say? Some crazy stuff you want to say before we get out of here? I can't even hear, bro. Bro is muted.

No, no, I'm just listening.

Okay. Okay. Fantastic. Fantastic. If you, if you, uh, if folks in the audience have something to say to these folks, go ahead and send it in using the information below. Let me just acknowledge some of the folks in the audience real quick. Um, they may have some questions for our South African, uh, young lady. Oh, yeah, by the way, uh, what is your age, madam?

I'm 28.

No, you're, you're a real adult. That's a beautiful thing. Shout out to Darren, comes in supporting the work. Uh, actually, Darren and Wayne both, uh, donated to the training center. Uh, you guys might not know, I'm building a training center to help raise up, uh, boys and girls into proper men and women, you know, that love and respect themselves and and also love and respect those who reflect themselves. You see, so like I look at, uh, Ramadan here, I see myself. That I have a level of comfort with him. I might be like silence, but I have the utmost respect and I would take care of this young brother. Uh, so I view him as a part of my family, the greater family that we are in, and this is, uh, what we teach within SAS in Africa. Now, I also acknowledge, uh, Gary, supporting the work using the Stripe link, and shout out to Antonio as well, supporting the work using the Stripe link.

I also acknowledge.

Uh, shout out to Clay writes, tuition for the education came in using, uh, PayPal. Shout out to DaVon, he writes, tuition, peace of saints, thank you for all the work to awaken all the black peoples of the earth. Alo. And I also want everyone to know, we cannot awaken all of them. Some of them will die in the revolution, and that's okay. Uh, shout Taylor. He writes, "Peace to the saints." May also acknowledge Sage, supporting the work via PayPal. Shout out to Irram, writes, "Asalam alaykum. I appreciate everything you do." Jazak, thank you very much. May also acknowledge, uh, via PayPal. Shout to Wayne. He writes, "Peace of Saints tuition. The passion was so felt, I almost forgot to send tuition." Oh, absolutely. And I mean every bit of what I'm saying. Unlike our dear girl here, I actually mean what I'm saying. That's why I'm saying it, uh, with such seriousness. I'm not walking it back. I'm not modifying it. I mean 100% of everything that I have said today. And I, I mean it like with a deadly amount of seriousness. It is unacceptable that black South Africans treat other black Africans the way that they do. And it's also unacceptable that they live in semi, uh, servitude, uh, in a country that is the land of their forefathers, being exploited by a white and Asian colonial population. It's disgusting. And I spit on them as a collective unless they're part of Sassin Africa. And, um, I think that the South Africans are the laziest and most despicable population of black people on earth for what they have allowed to go on. And I will be back in South Africa. So for any South African who's lying to themselves, because you guys are great at lying. Anyone who's watching, you're saying, "Well, well, come say that in South Africa." You guys have the most beautiful women on earth. Like from a total package perspective, you guys have some of the best women on earth. And I will be there to skim the cream of the crop, little buddy. So you can bet your bottom dollar, Marquette Devon Burton will be in South Africa. I will be in Cape Town. I will be at the finest restaurants that the whites allow us to be in. And I will be in Joburg. I will be in Pretoria, you know, talking to the real bosses because you guys can't do it. And if any of you has an issue with me, you come take up that issue. Now, mind you, I'll probably be with some whites. So, you'll be terrified. You'll be scared because I'll have whites around me. But come do what you say you're going to do. I will be in South Africa. And also, for all of my real South Africans, unlike this young lady, uh, you got some beautiful SOUTH AFRICAN WOMEN, LINE THEM UP. I'LL BE BACK. DADDY'S HOME. LINE THEM UP. I'M TAKING THEM ZULU. I'm taking them. Every tribe that I can't pronounce the name, line them up. The king is back. I yield the floor. Anyone have anything to say before we get out of here?

Yeah, man. I would just like to say, you know.

Invite us to the way.

I'm, I'm very pro-African. I watch a lot of, you know, people like M, Dr. Omar Johnson. I've read a lot of Malcolm X's book, Steve Biko. I'm very pro-African. And, um, one thing I would suggest to everybody out there, like, please do not give your children English, Arab, French names and all that bullshit. Please. Like, I hate it. I completely hate it. I think, like, my name, for example, it's like that's my name. My dad is Muslim, my mom is Christian. And please teach your kids to love themselves. Teach them to love who they are. They must enjoy being black. And.

What is most important? We need to understand that black people, above all else, we are God's people. I do not think there's.

Anybody on the on the planet that is as gifted, as powerful, and as important to the human race as we are. So, and the first thing you're going to, the first step it takes to get to make your child to be proud of who they are, do not give them any Western name. And South Africans have a lot of, they know Wonder Boy, even us Congolese people, you know, we give them these shit names, which I think they do more damage than anything else. The names your child must have an African name. Like, that is my message. If you're young, in your 20s, as you go older, please make sure your child has an African name. That is the most important step to any, to any person's Africanity, in my opinion. Give them an.

Africanity, bro. I mean, are you sure that's a word? I'm using it though, bro. Say Africanity.

Hey, hey, Ramadan. We need to check the Africanity of this chick right here. You hear me? We got to check her Africanity.

I got the Africanity scale right here. She ranking low.

I.

What's your Africanity score, young lady? What's your Africanity score?

100%.

Oh, you playing games with me. You playing games. Are you talking genetically or psychologically? Look, we all went through, uh, psychologically, psychological enslavement, unfortunately. Um, this is through our education system. This is through social media. This is the movies we watch. This is what we have done. But it is also our, our responsibility to re-educate ourselves, like the brother said. Um, one thing my parents always said, please, um, you know, speak to us in the mother tongue language. We used to be fluent, but as soon as we went to boarding school at a young age, you know, we went to the white schools and they're like, as soon as we speak our language to each other, they say, "No, this is not a shebeen." A shebeen is like a, what is a shebeen? A shebeen is like a place where people go and like drink alcohol and stuff like it's like a tavern. I don't know what. So now, you, now when you say that to young children, right, black children who are in a majority white environment, you're slowly picking their brain that their language is inferior. And that is what happened to us. So when we, we'd come home for the holidays, our parents would speak to us in Xhosa and we'd reply back in English without even thinking about it. And then they would say, "No, speak to them in Xhosa so that we don't lose the language," but we would reply back in English. And eventually, uh, we, you know, you start speaking to your grandparents when you find that you've actually forgotten a lot of the, the words because you were indoctrinated. So, I, I stand by everything our Congolese brother is saying. We are all, um, brothers and sisters. In fact, I don't even like to refer to myself. I love as much as I love being proud as a South African, um, I, I prefer to refer to myself as a Bantu, Banu, African, uh, because the whole.

I'm done with you. You. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. Uh, shout out to me, Mr.

Invite me to your wedding one day. Your significant wedding. Invite me to your wedding and then we will have a nice chat.

I don't, I don't know. Uh, shout out to Melvin, supporting the work via PayPal. He writes, "Uh, tuition, peace of the saints. Love and respect. Appreciate you." Um, shout out to Ray. He writes, "Uh, careful, quit. They won't like this. Remember Nipy, remember Gaddafi, Left Eye." Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. We already know what time it is. Uh, okay. Very good. I think we're caught up there. And yes, uh, ladies and saints, uh, I agree. Uh, having names that are authentic and the black Americans, we've been very good at that. We've created a culture out of, uh, out of nothing almost. Marquette Devon is an original black American name. So, I, I release that to the people. I release it to the people. If you all would like to use Marquette Devon, you have my full blessing. Uh, with that, it's been a, a pleasure of this time. Um, even though, uh, this young lady, I don't think she came, uh, I don't think she realized that marquetism is for the kids. Marquetism saves lives. But we're going to pray for her. I appreciate you too, having been here. And, uh, if you, if you all ever see me in South Africa, you see me coming to South Africa, definitely drop me a note. I'd love to, uh, meet you all and, uh, you know, shake hands. Uh, until next time. Peace to the saints.

Until next time.