How are we feeling about mom Donnie winning?

Amazing. Great.

Why? Why?

Because because I'm a socialist, too, and it feels nice to have someone represent the policies I've believed in for so long in the government.

When has socialism ever worked?

Socialism has not ever worked other than in Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and everything.

Those are some of the most capitalist countries in the entire world, according to the economic freedom index.

That is actually not true.

It actually is true.

They have socialist policies.

Oh, they don't. They have social welfare nets, but they have freer markets in the United States.

Socialism.

Socialism? Well, you mean in the Marxian sense?

No, because socialism isn't a Marxist idea. Actually, it is. Markx uses communism. No, Markx uses it. No, Markx uses the two interchangeably. Socialism is a system. On page 46 of the German ideology, Karl Marx says that communism is just allegiance to socialism.

And what is modern day socialism according to Bernie Sanders and every politician who represents it and not Marx who was born in the 1800s.

Hold up. Karl Marx is the father of socialism.

No, Kar Marx is the father of

Yes, he is.

No, he uses them interchangeably.

So all of the social welfare programs that work for family that mom do want,

that's not socialism. Socialism is it when you have social welfare

programs work for Finland and so in Sweden and all those countries.

Uh no they would be better if they didn't have them but they do. They're still more capitalists in the United States though because their markets are freer.

Okay. If they're more capitalists in the United States but they have those social welfare programs. What is your problem with Mandami which continuing to use New York as a capitalist state including those social welfare?

Mandani wants to implement policies that will get people hurt. He wants to cut the balls off the police force and he also wants to do a bunch of free stuff that we can't afford to pay for.

How do you know that we can't afford to pay for

Well, how are we going to pay for it? How are we going to pay for with tax money? With tax dollars?

Okay. Where where the tax dollars come from?

Tax dollars are coming from all of the billionaires and wealthy people.

Well, they already pay the top 1% already pays 50% of all taxes. Yeah.

IRS data IRS data reflects that the top 1% already pays 50% of all taxes. The top 50% pays 90% of all taxes.

So when billionaires go online and they say they haven't paid a single tax dollar since 2010, you think that they're lying.

Literally not true. It's because they're investing in other places that the government gives them breaks, but they still pay in volume more taxes than anybody else. And furthermore, No, it's not true. No, no. The top 1% pays 50% of all taxes. But I ask you, so if you tax the rich to oblivion, what happens when the rich leave the city? Who's to tax then?

They won't leave the city.

Why not? They've already done it in California.

Because in New York State, we have Wall Street. They're not leaving.

And so what?

You think they can't leave then? Who are you going to tax when they leave?

We're just going to continue taxing people. But you're already

Oh, the middle class, right?

Yes, actually the middle class.

Okay, so you explained it. So we're going to tax the [ __ ] out of the middle class when the rich people leave after you tax the [ __ ] out of them. I think we should tax the [ __ ] out of everybody. Yes, I think that the middle class should be taxed 50% like it does in Sweden.

Okay, that is wild.

Tax rate in Sweden in 46% and right now they are number three in education. They have the best for they have the best country for women's health. They have the best

What's the citation for that?

Uh I can pull it up right now.

Yeah, pull it up.

How do you how do you measure best for racism?

Uh very easily. Okay.

Yeah. What's the metric? What metric do you measure?

What metric do you measure? YouTube.

What country?

So, are you Republican?

Yep.

How'd you guess?

What policies do you believe?

Uh, well, give me a sector.

I mean,

deport all illegal immigrants, ban abortion,

exist abortion. How do you feel about that?

I think you did something that's wrong.

And why? Because I think that out of necessity protects self-interest interest of others. Every genetically distinct human individual ought to have the right not to be unjustly aggressive.

Murdered a human being.

No, because murder is a legal term. It means the unjust killing uh or the unlawful killing of a human being. Uh in New York, it's legal.

An abortion.

I have a moral qual with it.

What is your moral qualm with it?

My moral qual is that every human being ought to have the right not to be unjustly aggressed upon.

And is that from religion or is that from law?

No, it's from subjective morality.

I'm not Christian. It's just

I recently converted to Christian, but I've been pro-life for years prior to being a Christian.

Why are you pro-life if you aren't Christian?

Again, I just said because I think that every human being, genetically distinct human individual individual ought to have the right not to be unjustly aggressive.

Genetically distinct individual.

Yeah.

Okay. So, you believe that at conception it is life.

Do you contest that?

Well, you think conception is life?

Yeah.

So, have you had sex with a woman on birth control or an IUD?

I have. But here's the difference between you and I is that if I create a human being, I'm willing to carry it. I'm willing to have.

If you have sex with a woman with birth control or an IUD, usually what happens is the the baby is created.

No, not not an IUD.

Actually, I have an IUD.

No, no. I You asked if I've had sex with a woman on with an IUD and no, I haven't.

Okay. Either one. Birth control or an IUD. Usually in about Well, it depends IUD or birth control, but a lot of times conception does happen and what happens is because the uterine lining has been thinned, the baby will die. So, what happens is

I don't I I support eliminating that component of the birth control. Well, in order so my issue to eliminate in order to eliminate conception, you would have to just be absent because conception happens in a lot of times with

Wait, I don't want to eliminate conception. I think we should have more babies. The difference between you and I is that if I conceive a baby, I'm willing to take care of it. You're not

tell that you've conceived children that have died and you don't even realize that.

You don't you don't know that because birth control serves two functions. It thickens the mucus in the cervix

and it also can shed the uterine lining. Correct? Now, those are two different components of the pillow and I support eliminating the one that sheds the uterine lining. But in order to eliminate the part that sheds the urine lining, that would be removing the estrogen and progesterone from the pill, which are the two main hormonal functions that create that and that also prevent the happening of a baby.

Still thicken the cerv uh the walls of the cervix without shedding the uterine lining, which is what I support.

You're suggesting completely reprogramming creating a different drug that only thickens the cervical mucus and that will not work effectively and will not

No, it'll still it'll still work. Wait, wait. The majority. So, so the majority

Yeah. Yeah. The majority of births that birth control prevents from happening happen as a result of the cervix.

Correct. It's because of the cervical lining.

But the majority is not the result of the shedding the uterine lining.

We're not worried about the majority because the majority of women who get pregnant are not having abortions. Right. Your problem is the fact that people are having conception and that conception is being killed. So, I'm telling you that you are single-handedly contributing to that because you are creating children that are being killed.

I'm not. But you are because if you are having sex with I haven't I haven't had I have not had sex with a woman on birth control in the past seven years.

But your point is if you think that abortion and that if if life starts at conception that nobody should be having sex ever because you cannot know when you have

let's say this is true. Let's say let's say let's say let's say hold up pause. Let's say that it's true that at some point I have um conceived the child and that child died as a result of uterine lining being uh shed.

Yes.

I condemn my past actions. Now what?

So now you should stop having sex because in order for

No, no, no. Because I don't have sex with people. Yeah. I don't have sex with people on birth control right now.

Great. Then

and if I conceive a child,

I am willing to take care of that child.

Amazing. So then you think that everyone should be like that. Then nobody should be having sex with women. Okay, that's fine. Then everyone

I think if you I think that if you have sex, you should incur the risk or you do incur the risk that you force another human being to exist and thus you are responsible for it.

Okay. So nobody should have sex ever unless they're married and can have a kiss.

No. No. I didn't say married. I said that you shouldn't have sex unless you're willing to have a child. That's a function of sexual intercourse.

If you have sex, you don't know whether or not you're creating a child because you

No, but you're incurring the risk. If I go gamble, I don't know if I'm going to lose my money, but if I do, I don't have the right to go ask for my money back.

We're on the same page there. But therefore, what that means is that when you are creating a child, when you are having sex, every person who's having sex, if they are,

it's incurring the risk. Yes. Congratulations. You've arrived at the correct conclusion. Well, the correct conclusion therefore means that men should not be having sex because they are creating life.

If men do have sex, if women have sex, they should be willing to take care of the child they conceive. That's what I'm saying.

That if they're conceiving a child, that child is dying and that's happening every single day all of the time. And you have no idea and the men who are ejaculating and the woman have no idea either that they are creating a kid that kid in

Yeah. Again, again, I've already said I'm against this.

I am aware, but what I'm telling you is that this happens all of the time. What is the difference between that and abortion? Do you want to ban people from having sex? Because But you keep

You're not getting it.

What am I not getting? You are creating

You're not getting that. What I'm saying is that I want the birth rates up. I want more American babies. I want the men and the women to be willing to care for the child they create. It's just a simple task of responsibility.

They're murdering the child every single time they have sex because that kid is

not if they're not on birth control.

But most

and usually still not even if they're on birth control. want to ban birth control because how Okay, this is

No, I want to reassess the drug and prevent it from shedding the uterine lining.

But you So you agree that this is a problem that the fact that the baby dies when it's conceived?

This is murder, right? So what is your solution that we're going to create a different drug in the meantime? In the meantime,

Oh, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead, Ally.

Are you What are you doing to help like the mothers who have decided to have the children and like can't support them? Like what if

No, I'm a journalist, but there are lots of institutions that do help women who have conceived children and can't do anything about it or or are seeking abortions, right? But it just so happens that leftists tend to burn those places down. It's happened repeatedly.

What did he say?

He said that leftists are burning down places to help women.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Burning down places.

Wait, wait, hold up. Leftists have repeatedly firebombed the uh what are they called? the um the institutions that help women who have conceived a child that are seeking an abortion.

How? Planned Parenthood.

Well, by by cocking their arm back with a fire bomb and lighting it on fire.

Can you get a source?

Well, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

What have we we've burned down Planned Parenthood?

No, no, not Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is an abortion clinic.

Not talking about abortion clinics.

Planned Parenthood is not an abortion clinic. Do you know what?

Absolutely. It is. 80% of what they do is abortions.

Actually, that's completely wrong.

80% of their revenue comes from abortions. 80% of the revenue comes from abortions. The most common thing you get at Plantar is a papmear because it's women's health,

right? That's like saying the most common thing I get at the grocery or at the um at the gas station is beer, right? But ultimately the function is to sell gas.

$600. So we get the most revenue from that because an abortion is $600 which is going in for a checkup, a papsmear or any other.

It doesn't matter. The majority of the revenue is from abortion.

But I'm telling you that most women who go into Planned Parenthood are getting an abortion. I can quote the statistics. I'm pretty sure it's like a very small number of people who go into Planned Parenthood to get abortions. I have been into Planned Parenthood a gazillion times not to get an abortion.

Getting out flyers to my stand up comedy show you guys.

Abortions accounted for 3% of Planned Parenthood services. 3% of what they do.

Yeah, not 3% of their revenue. The majority of their revenue.

3% of what they do. So why are we So you're calling it an abortion clinic when it's only 3% of what they do. If I

Right. Three. So my house What is the function of your house? Like my house I the function is I sleep in it.

Bakery. I sell a

clear. I sleep in my house. But probably a very small share of what I actually do in my house is sleeping.

Yes.

Right. But the function of my house is still

parenthood is not an abortion clinic. They

It is an abortion clinic. So every place that offers an abortion is an abortion clinic. Even the hospital,

it was founded by Margaret Sanger, who was a uh eugenicist.

3% of what they do are abortion.

It was founded for the purpose of carrying out abortions.

So what? And Brown was formed for the purpose of slave owners.

This is ridiculous. I've got the thing right here. Fire at uh fire at New York. Anti-abortion abortion facility. Yes.

Anti burn down an anti-abortion facility. don't really get a deal.

The purpose of the anti-abortion facility is to provide resources to mothers.

No,

to get them away from having an abortion.

That's wrong.

That's not wrong. That's exactly what they do.

Abortion facilities are Christian nationalist institutions that

is so ridiculous.

But it is. But what they do is they convince Okay, go take

Yeah. They convince mothers not to have abortions because they view it's wrong. Ultimately, it's a mother's choice. They do this by doing things like providing financial resources to the mother so she can bear the child and take care of it.

Brainwashing where they tell the woman that if they don't have the baby, then they're going to hell. Prove that. That's what's said inside the facilities.

There are literally tons of stuff.

Prove it. Prove it. Prove it.

Okay.

While she's looking for the source, uh, Crotch Beam 9, thanks for the $20 super chat. Sweden is a [ __ ] hole. That recent story is that recent grape story is depressing. Yeah. Okay. According to um the National Library of Medicine in the United States,

the National Library of Medicine doesn't publish studies.

The National Center for Biotechnology Information.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The bio this National Center for Biotechnology Information or PubMed, that's what the website is. What do they do?

It's not PubMed.

Just PubMed. Just PubMed. This is the NIH.

Yeah. So, check this out. Yeah. Pub. It says PubMed right there. Okay. So, PubMed does not conduct studies. They are simply a hub where other people publish their studies. Great.

So, don't say it's from PubMed. It's not.

Okay.

And it's not from the National Center of Biotechnology Information either.

Um,

so who conducted the study? You haven't read it, that's for sure.

Where will it say? Oh,

you don't even know where to find the author of a study.

Not on this website. No,

I don't think you should be debating at all to be honest.

I am an NYU student.

How if you're an NYU study student, how have you never navigated PubMed?

Because I'm not a med student.

Wait, wait. PubMed you can you can find studies that are like it's not PubMed doesn't just publish medical studies.

I've never used PubMed. The National Center for Biotechnology Information and PubMed published tons of studies about an array of topics.

I'm an anthropology major. I have

I Oh my god, there would be for for anthropology there would be so many studies that could fit into your line of work on PubMed.

Amazing. I have not. Okay. Oh,

this is a chat GBT generation

for I can show you the website I'm on. I'm just looking.

I know what you're on. You're on the NCBI. But I'm going to need a methodology. I'm going to need a sample size. I'm going to need metrics, which all of you can't provide those things because you haven't read the study. You're citing a study you've never read from a website you've never been on.

That is true. I am. But this is a pretty

Well, you shouldn't cite studies if you've never read them.

But I know inherently.

No, you have a hunch.

No, I don't have a hunch. I've read actual studies on this before. I

like what?

I don't know. But I know the fact that I read I I remember a lot of them.

No, he does. He This is what he does. He He will remember them. That's the thing is that's

Exactly.

But no, it's not exactly. The fact that you've read more than me doesn't make your points better than mine. The fact that you have more knowledge because you're older and have lived on Earth longer doesn't mean

How old are you?

I am 18 years old.

Okay. I'm 25. I haven't lived that much longer than you.

You've lived a pretty decently long time. When you're 25c students in Washington Square Park,

it's not just college students out here. I'm a journalist and I live stream.

How much do you make money? What do you make?

I'm not telling you how much I make a year. I don't even know how much I make a year. I went to Sunni Canton and I dropped out. You should be way smarter than me. You're an NYU student. Yeah, I am.

You're an NYU student. I'm a college dropout and I didn't even go to a nice school.

But being better at debate than me doesn't make you smarter. You get that, right?

I'm not saying it makes me smarter. I'm just asking for you to prove your point.

But I already proved my other point is that you gave up on the argument that I had already won. Which one?

The fact that conception happens every single day and that baby

I didn't give up on it. I didn't give up on it. I agreed with you. But the problem is that I actually believe that that's a problem and you don't.

Yeah. But then your point is that abortion should my abort my point is abortion should not be illegal given that people are having tons of abortions every day.

Okay. People are murdered every day. Does that mean we shouldn't make murder illegal?

But that's not the point is that

people are robbed every day. Should we make robbery illegal? Just because it happens a lot doesn't mean you should make it legal.

But then we should make sex illegal. If according then if

I'm not saying that I think we should have more children. I just think you should accept the responsibility for those children when you make them.

But what are you doing about the babies that die every single day? What are you doing if that if that keeps happening and abortion

I'm not personally doing anything but there are people who are not my job. I have a lot on my plate and that's not the thing I'm specifically focusing on.

But if abortion is made illegal because babies contribute to the conversation.

You think babies are being killed and abortion is illegal so that babies stop

think human lives are being killed.

Right. So then what are we doing about the human lives that are killed every single day? You don't have a problem with that?

What human lives are you talking about?

The babies that are born that are

I do have a problem with that. I've told you 900 times I have a problem with that.

Then why is abortion illegal and that isn't?

Wait, it both should be illegal.

Exactly. Both should be illegal. But the fact that they aren't shows the hypocrisy and proves that people don't

But I'm not in control of the law. There's no hypocrisy.

Republican lawmakers are. Do you know any of

Wait, I think there's I think there's an issue with with all

Lindsey Graham is gay.

I don't know, nor do I care. I think there is an issue with Republican abortion laws and the problem is that they usually start at six weeks when they should start at zero.

You think that conception starts at zero? You think a heartbeat isn't

I don't care about a heartbeat. A heartbeat's not important to me.

So you think the egg meeting the sperm creates new

a genetically distinct human individual? Yeah. What's it made out of?

It is made out of

cells.

Well, correct.

What is the basic building block of life?

Cells.

Okay. So, it's alive. We've established that it's alive. Now in those cells the DNA indicates that it is of what species?

Human.

Okay, great. So it's an new human

cell. Yes.

It's new human life. And now no genetic code.

Yes. Unique genetic code. So it's a unique human individual.

When the egg meets the sperm, basically what happens is the chromosomes deconstruct and they reconstruct.

So we've established that it is a genetically distinct human individual. We agree on this. My position is that all genetically distinct human individuals ought to have the right not to be unjustly aggressive.

My position is with an IUD, every time I've had sex, I've created a baby. That's not a moral position on whether or not genetically distinct human individuals ought to be killed. Why shouldn't they be killed?

Because my point is it's hypocrisy. If one

I'm not asking you for to point out hypocrisy. I'm asking you why you think it's okay to kill genetically distinct human individuals.

Because I don't think that it matters because I think that life starts when the baby comes out of the womb. I believe abortion.

Really? So okay. So it's it's one minute before birth. You can kill it.

And we have Yeah. And people we do and we have

support that one minute before birth.

Yep. Because usually it's a medical emergency where the mother will die. Moms don't carry a baby.

What if it's not? What if it's just elective?

Moms want to carry a child.

I'm just asking a hypothetical. What if

it isn't?

But your your moral framework allows for it to happen.

Yes, it does. And I believe that women should have the choice. If she wants to get an abortion at 9 months, that's fine. But women don't.

One minute before abortion.

What?

One minute before birth.

Yes. What woman is carrying a baby for 9 months to kill it a minute before birth if it's not directly going

I don't I'm just asking you to to say yes or no to the moral principles your framework justifies.

Exactly. The moral principle that I agree with is that everyone should have that

is crazy.

I know that you think it's crazy. I think it's crazy that you think it

What's the difference between a baby one minute before it's born and one minute after it's born?

What's the difference between a 5-year-old girl being raped and used?

What's the difference between a baby one minute before it's born and one after it's born? Sorry, one before and one after.

There isn't one.

Okay. So, why can you kill it before but not after?

Because that's just a legal law. That's just the law.

You're appealing to legality. It was once legal to own slaves in this country. confirming if the woman is

Yeah. If the mom is going to die, why wouldn't you abort?

Well, I hate to break it to you, one minute before it's born, it still has to come out. Either way, it's coming out.

And either way, it will die. A lot of times there's literally

doesn't matter. If the mother's life is in danger, the baby has to come out either way. Killing it doesn't solve the problem.

C-section

and

right a C-section baby.

In a lot of cases where a baby is killed that quick to like that close to the actual birth, it is because the baby is already dead or it has such

You can't kill something that's already dead. So that's definitely not it.

So okay, an abortion is still removing the baby even if the baby is dead. Do you understand that? An abortion is just removing the fetus. So even if the fetus is dead, it still counts as an abortion. Lots of women have abortions.

But you said killing the reason you'd kill it is because it's already dead, which clearly isn't the reason. So my question is one minute before birth, that baby has to come out either way. The coming out is what's going to harm the mother. So why would you kill it? It doesn't resolve the issue.

Because a lot of times it's not the coming out that hurts the mother. It's the fact the baby is still in her a lot of times.

Right. The baby is still in her either way. Dead or alive, it's got to come out.

An abortion is how they take it. I don't understand. We're on the same page. And abortion is how you're

a baby one minute before it's born could be removed without killing it via C-section.

But I'm telling you that in a lot of those cases, the baby has serious health complications where it needs to be.

I don't care what you Why Why kill it? Why not just C-section it and see if it can live? I don't understand the purpose in killing it. There's no utility in it. So if you think that you have a baby that's going to suffer for three months and then die, you would rather let it suffer for three months and then die than just kill it.

Yeah. I think suffering is probably better than death.

You think a baby that can't

Lots of people suffer in this world every day. You can't kill them just cuz they're suffering. There's homeless people in this park. I can't kill them because they're suffering. Right. The only person who can make that choice for them is them.

But the difference is that it's a child who can't make any decisions for itself.

Right? So you defer to not kill it.

There are children alive today who suffer. There are children with cancer. Right? There are children with deformities

not by killing them

by treating them.

Do you think those children with deformities that basically take over every single aspect of their life? You think they want to live? People who can't talk, who can't walk,

that's not my choice.

Spoonfed.

That's not my choice.

You think we should kill disabled people?

I think that we should kill disabled people in utero if the mother thinks that that's her choice.

Why? Why in Udero, not after?

Because after Udo it's illegal.

You're the dictator of the world. What would you do? Um, I would make it illegal to kill babies out of the womb and I would make it legal to kill them in the womb. I would legal to have an abortion because

because I think that

What's the difference before and after birth?

Okay. The difference of four and after birth is that after birth it is a baby. It is a human life and it also

it's already human life before. We've already established that at conception. You agreed with it.

Human life.

You literally said five minutes ago that it's a human life the moment it's conceived.

Okay. Let me rephrase my argument because that you know what good point. You got me. All right. I think that after birth it is a living creature that is now has the opportunity to become something and I think that well, it is

it always had that opportunity

but in the uterero I think it still belongs to the mother. So in utero I think

her property

I think it is her body. Yes. I think the baby is attached to her body her body.

Well, it's it attaches to her body after too like when it breastfeeds

but it is not attached to her body via the the tube like it is in the uterus. Well, actually before birth, the mother's body delivers the nutrients to the baby. Whereas after, the baby attaches itself to her breast and feeds from her forcefully.

Correct. But that's my point is that the baby is still of the mother when it's in her womb.

Well, it's still attaching itself and sucking her nutrients after it's born, too.

It's not of the mother anymore. It's not in her body and it's not living in her body and not actively consuming her oxygen and all that. It can breathe on its own. It can like live on its own.

It can't actually, right? If the baby a newborn baby is so helpless, if you don't hold its head up, its neck will fall back and break. It has the facilities to breathe on its own when it's in the womb.

No, it doesn't.

Yes, it does. It has I hate to break it to you. Right before a baby's born, it still has lungs.

Correct. But not for

So, why is that relevant? Why does that matter? What about somebody on a ventilator? Can you kill somebody on a ventilator?

Because that's not the difference. You're asking about the

You're asking You're saying that you can kill the baby because it can't breathe on its own. Somebody on a ventilator can't breathe on its own.

Makes you seem right, but you have to let me keep talking.

Can you kill somebody on a ventilator?

Can you let me keep talking in my original point?

Answer the question.

But that's not the question you asked originally. Do you want me to answer your original question?

You said you you said you can kill somebody if they are uh cannot breathe on their own. Can you kill somebody on a ventilator? Yes or no?

No. You asked me You asked me what makes the baby different in the womb from outside the womb. I gave you an answer. The difference is that in the womb it cannot support life on its own. The baby cannot support itself inside the womb. It was reliant on the mother.

Can't support itself outside the womb either. If if you leave a baby in a room and close the door, it will die.

Correct. From hunger or

because it can't support itself.

Correct. Just like all of us, if you leave us in a room, we will die.

That's true. If you leave me in a room, I'm going to open the door, walk out, and find some food.

No, you won't. If you leave you in a locked room, you will die. A baby in the womb literally needs

You're actually like making my argument for me. You're saying that, well, most humans aren't self-sufficient anyway. But your argument is that because the fetus isn't self-sufficient, you can kill it. But newborn babies aren't self-sufficient either. And you're actually making an extended argument saying that most humans aren't self-sufficient, right? All right. So, if you can't survive on your own, can we kill you?

My argument isn't that it's not self-sufficient. My argument is that it's dependent physically on the mother for oxygen.

Toddlers are dependent on their mother

physically. It's attached to it. How do you not understand what are you slow? Like the baby is attached to the mom. It's literally physically because it means that it's sharing blood and oxygen and nutrient.

Okay. When a when a newborn baby is birthed, the umbilical cord is still connected. Can you kill the baby because the umbilical cord is still connected?

Do you see how you're arguing fallacies with me? Because

I'm not arguing a fallacy. I'm not arguing a fallacy. You're saying that because it's connected, you can kill it. So often times babies just after birth are still connected. Can you kill them? Yes or no?

That's not your question. I'm not saying because it's connected, you can kill it. I'm saying because

that's exactly what you said.

No, you asked the difference between in life, outside of life. I'm telling you the reason

in the in the in the womb and outside the womb, not inside of life and outside.

That's the question you asked me. You're not We're not talking abortion right now. You're asking me to clarify the distinction.

Yeah. You said the distinction is that they're connected, but they're connected after, too.

Hey, let's go. I like the cross, man.

Cam.

Hey, [laughter] what's up, man? Did I go to college?

Yeah, I've been to college.

Did you graduate?

Yeah.

You did not go to Gail University?

Yes, I did.

Really?

Yeah.

Show me your degree.

What do you you keep your degree on you? Who keeps their degree on them?

People who are anti-abortion usually don't go to college.

That seems to be a generalization.

No, I could prove it. Actually, I could Wait, do you want me to show you the statistics on Republicans?

No, I don't care.

No, the epistemology of these people,

they don't get taught basic thinking. It's just all feelings for them. This is New York. This is Babylon.

Please be afraid of Islam and communism.

If you understand basic history from the first millennia, you understand why Europe looks the way it is and why Spain and Portugal had to come all the way to the west to flee Islam. Because if they go east, they're going to get attacked violently. That's why you see the shaving. It's not only Catholicism, the rebellion of Catholicis Catholicism authority, but it's also they want to get away from the terrorists. They want to get away from the Islamic authority over there. This there's historians talking about this all the time. You know, people they they lose track of history and this is exactly why you see what you see around here. This is the hot bed of idiocy. This is the idiocracy right here. New York City. You say Seattle, I agree with you with Seattle. [laughter] But New York City, you can see it clearly, especially if you look at it from a non-biased lens. I'm Orthodox Christian, by the way. Camera on here.

I don't know if uh is is Lance also Orthodox?

Uh Lance Lance is non-denominational, but he's considering becoming a Catholic again.

Yeah. But the the individual that you was with whenever he was arguing for um uh America not being compatible with Islam, he was orthodox. I don't know.

Yeah, Ben, he's orthodox. Yeah.

Okay. So, I completely agree with him and his stance. If you understand the Islamic dilemma, literally the uh all the Islamic apologists, they cannot they cannot defend their faith against this argument especially just this this one the Islamic dilemma.

And also the one thing the very first thing that makes Muslims doubt their faith is the moral inconsistencies of Muhammad himself. So pedophile. Yes. But there's a lot of things. There's a lot of a lot of things. A lot of things. Not just that.

What about the moral inconsistencies?

What were the moral inconsistencies of Christ?

Okay. Name name one passage from the Bible where someone is not being murdered. All right. So let's Solomon. Solomon. Let's start with Solomon.

Wait. Wait. No. No. First off. Solomon is a human.

I want to talk about a divine.

This is Old Testament long before Jesus was even alive.

Also, do you know where the golden rule comes from?

No.

What is the golden rule?

No idea.

You don't know what the golden rule is? to love your neighbor as yourself. Where does that come from?

That comes from Christianity.

No, no, no. Where does it come from in Christianity?

I don't know. I haven't read the Bible.

No, I haven't read the

Okay. So, why are you telling me about the moral inconsistencies of the Bible if you haven't read?

She said Jesus. She said of Jesus.

Well, no. And by the way, morally consistent.

Yeah. Okay. So, Solomon long before Jesus was exist alive.

I'm not.

You don't follow Solomon. You don't follow David. You don't follow Jesus.

You follow Jesus. That is a follow. Love your neighbor?

Of course I love my neighbor. That's why I'm giving you truth.

Do you love

I can't love you without telling you the truth.

Do you love gay people?

Well, I have to tell them the truth. This does not lead to procreation. This does not lead to life.

I am the way, the truth, and the life.

That does not lead to life. I love people.

Okay. But if they are murdering,

if they are thieving, if they are stealing,

if they're thinking about stealing, if they're committing adultery against their own wife or husband,

these are things that I do not like.

Right now, do you do you sin? Right. Do you sin?

Of course I s right. Do you sin? Do you think you sin every day?

Yes. Right. Of course.

So if you sin every day and somebody who is dating a woman who as a woman sins every day, right? And it's her sin is that she is gay and your sin is whatever your sin may be every day. Do you think that you have the right to tell her to to repent and to get over her sin when you yourself sin every day?

Do you understand the right of free speech? Right.

He's doing that because he loves her. Right.

Do you understand the right he wants her to be saved?

But what I'm saying I have the right to tell anyone anything.

But I'm saying do you think that's hypocritical given that you yourself s I am not gay. It's not hypocritical.

I tell you that you are sas because he repents for his sins right now. You are measured by the [laughter] same

Yeah, she brought it up.

You are measured by the same ruler that you're judging with.

No, she brought it up.

So, if I judge an individual for being gay, well, I'm not gay.

But you you're every sin is held equal, right? According to

But he repents for his sins.

In John 1 and John 2, it talks about the sins that lead to death and the sins that do not lead to death. These are the ten commandments. This the homosexuality is not exactly a sin that leads to death, but it is fornication in nature

and lust is something that leads to even more

even more sexual depravity and other sins. It's almost like a gateway.

Think about 427 427 animal species that are that have homosexual tendencies.

But what does it have to do with human behavior?

What it has to do if you think God created the earth and God created life? Why did he create homosexuality in every single species? Even the species that can't repent for themselves.

You are conflating that God himself created things that come from free will.

You think elephants have sex with each other as as two two male elephants [ __ ] because of their free will, not because of their innately biologically programmed to do that.

That's a dominance thing. They don't do it for pleasure. They do it for dominance.

They actually do do it for dominance still homosexuality. Even if they're if they're [ __ ] each other, it's gay. Y'all have to understand that the individuals from the leftist perspective, they always try to make an argument from exceptions. The exception does not make the rule. The reason that we still see elephants is that majority of them actually do heterosexual procreation.

I was in Kenya for two weeks and all I saw were gay elephants [ __ ] I didn't see a single I'm dead ass. I didn't see a single male onwoman action. I saw

No, I have videos. I have videos. It's nothing but young male elephants [ __ ] each other. It's nothing but young male elephants [ __ ] each other.

So what's your point?

My point is that God wouldn't have created homosexuality in every species if he didn't let it create.

Then why are elephants [ __ ] each other? And why are penguins and why are in species that don't Your point is that it's dominance, right? In species that don't have species dominance conjecture to Christianity. They always never say anything about the devil. They never mention the devil and his influence over human nature. It's always God. It's not human nature. I'm telling you.

No, it is human nature. So owls having sex with each other is human nature. Why are they having sex? Why are two girl Why are two girl owls having sex? Tell me that. Answer me that question.

It's because of it's because of basic pleasure responses. Basure sex. You're telling me that people and animals don't get pleasure from sex.

Most animals don't get pleasure from sex. Yes, you can look it up. A lot of animals actually feel pain from sex. We are one of the only species that receives pleasure from sex. This is this is true. You can look this up because most animals sex is not supposed to be pleasurable for them to do it. Like lions for example, the barb hurts the woman. So penetration for a lion only lasts about 30 seconds.

Okay. So why why are you if it's pleasurable for the man? If it's pleasurable for the male,

you just make that assertion.

No, but this is scientific. It hurts for lions. It hurts for a lot of species because basically the woman will try to run away. So the reason is the barbar is so he can attach into her so she can't leave. Right. So when a lion has sex with another male lion and it hurts, why are they doing that?

It's

Because of nature. That's literally nature.

That's nature, right? So homosexuality is natural is you just prove my point. Homosexuality.

It's not natural because it doesn't lead to procreation. It does not lead to procreation.

Then why are they doing it?

Can you put two plugs together and get electricity?

But then why are they doing it?

You can try to put two plugs together and get electricity, but it doesn't work. It's not natural.

Why are they doing it then? Because people and animals are they they don't live in logic. They are not logically.

Animals can't even think logically.

You're okay. It is instinct.

Yes. So why do you think God created every living thing? Why did God give them the instinct to be gay?

No. No. They gave God gave animals the instinct to have sexual relations. This means they have a libido.

Yep.

But it doesn't matter if they try to do it with the same sex or not. But they know that when they're having sex with the same sex, they're not procreate. They're doing it on purpose.

They're not they're not perfect. Like animals are not perfect.

Right? So why would God create homosexuality at all if he doesn't like it?

Because we're not perfect. He didn't create homosexuality.

The devil has major influence on humans and other animals.

So the devil makes lions have sex with each other.

And you don't think that you have something wrong with you when you're saying something like that?

No. No. No. I don't the way you're interpreting it is if this is a very modernistic it's very modernistic correct way of understanding things.

Deeply modern because we are in 2025 and I'm sorry that I don't believe a book that was created thousands of years ago with no proof and no evidence.

Wait no proof and no evidence there's more proof for the events of the Bible than there is for like Julius Caesar's existence.

For the events of the Bible not.

There's more historical evidence for the crucifixion and divinity of Jesus.

I completely believe in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. I think that he was a.

But you don't believe in his teachings.

I believe in his teachings, too. I actually think.

It's very arbitrary that you just assert that just because the book is old that you don't believe anything in it. When you yourself said that God isn't real, a real man. Jesus was a real person.

Why do you believe that? Because we have evidence of it.

What's the evidence?

You just said we have evidence of the crucifixion.

Yes. Testimony from the book, right?

No. No. We've also.

So, you do believe the book.

Found his tomb.

Wait. Wait. No, we don't. We actually have no idea which tomb it is. So there are there are several tombs in Israel. No, there are several tombs in Israel that claim to be the tomb, right? We have no idea which one it is. We haven't found the tomb. His body is not there. There's no evidence that he was buried anywhere.

There's pretty good evidence.

No, no, no. There's not. There's really not. I've been there. There's really not. We have no idea where Jesus was crucified or where he buried.

So then so then you think.

We think it could have been the garden tomb. We think it could have been the church of the holy supplr. We think it could have been over here, over there.

But you never answered my question. Why do I trust?

Well, because they're they're actual biological creatures.

Right? But they know the difference between they know that when they hump a band that no baby will be created. Why do they do it?

No. No. First off, you you just stated that they don't have any logical thoughts. So, they really don't understand where babies come from. They just have sex with things that look like.

No, they do because they actually sniff the woman to tell when she's in heat in order to have sex with her to create a baby. They actually check to see if she's in heat. They woman's pee, a lion fe a female lion's pee at that time of the month has hormones in it that shows that she's in heat. Lions sniff her vagina before they penetrate her to make sure that she can have a baby. They're actually always checking for fertility. So when a m a male lion mounts with a male lion, they know that that he is not fertile.

So it is it is a libido response.

It is a sexual drive response and this is part of their nature.

So being part of their nature, it is therefore natural. But the but the thing is if it's part of their nature it's not always good.

That isn't always good. Does it lead to life? If it leads to life, it is good. It's a plus b equals c. It's basic algebra.

But what I've just told you is that it is natural. My entire point is that homosexuality is natural.

Things that are natural.

Yeah. Sins are all natural, too. It doesn't mean they're good.

You have to make a moral distinction. That's where Christianity comes in.

Yeah. A moral distinction. You don't get moral distinctions from an atheist worldview. I used to be atheist. You cannot get moral distinctions from an atheist worldview. What is good and what is bad.

I will tell you as an atheist, good is what helps another person or is neutral. Bad is what hurts another person.

Okay. So, so if it helps me, if it helps him to kill you and take your money and give it to him, does that mean that that's a good thing to do?

It hurts me. Therefore, it's not actually.

Also can't hurt anybody.

What about abortion?

Abortion is helping a woman.

No. No. But what about the human life? The human life. You like to talk scientifically. Okay. Per your own moral framework.

How many chromosomes are in a human life?

How many chromosomes are in a baby or how many?

No. No. How many chromosomes are in a human life?

46.

Okay. So, where does the 23 and the 23 come in?

Man and the woman.

Okay. So, once it comes together.

That's a human life. Yeah.

Okay. So, you just murdered a human life.

I agree with that. Yes.

So, that right there is harming.

A living.

So, it's immoral per your own framework. No, actually because it's helping the woman and when.

But but it harms the fetus.

But most things in life hurt.

So like again again I asked you if if I was to help him by shooting you, taking your money and giving it to him. You said that's not moral because it hurts you.

Yes.

But if you help the woman, it hurts the baby.

Okay. So let me give you this solution, right? A woman has been raped and she's giving birth to a baby.

That baby will live. Okay.

Most abortion cases are not vast vast minority.

Most abortions.

Are elective are elective. Correct. I think it's 46% are elective.

Yes, I know. I think it's higher than 46% cases are not from a woman who wants to kill a child.

Wait, that's exactly what an elective abortion is.

An abortion is a woman who does not want to have a child.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she doesn't. She feels like she doesn't want to lose money. She doesn't want this. It's inconvenient. Yeah. She's choosing to kill a baby.

68% of women who have abortions already have a child.

I don't care.

So you sexual revolution as a result.

So you're talking about hurting and helping, right? What's a woman is having an abortion, right?

Hammer, thanks for the $5 super.

For whatever reason, her life is going to be worse, right? So, she won't have as much money.

How do you know that?

Because most women don't like killing a [ __ ] baby for no reason.

How do you know? Because I've had an abortion. If I had I had an abortion. Why did I have that abortion? Take a guess.

Because you're a bad person.

Because I'm 18 years old. I'm not even going to say that.

Listen, because I'm 18 years old and because if I did not have that abortion, I would not be here in New York City. I would not be going to college and I would not be able to further my life. Yeah, cuz you're self. The chat is saying it perfectly. You're selfish.

Yes. So, I am.

Air is lit everywhere. It's so [ __ ] fun.

Yes, that's.

That's completely up to you. That is your bubble.

What's not fun about it?

On the Canadian border.

All right, back to life.

They would have had a life.

And they would have been growing up with grandparents that were capable of taking care of them.

But wouldn't want to wait. Hold up. I'm not going to tell you how you would and I don't want to do the same thing with phone chat.

I I can't remember. This is exactly what I'm saying. I can't say.

Yo, what's this?

What are you doing?

An anti-abortion Republican, GUYS. [laughter]

I'M actually a monarchy. So.

Nice.

You're a what?

I'm a monarchist. You believe that we should have it?

Yeah.

Did you vote for Donald Trump?

No.

Donald Trump.

No, I don't vote too much.

In general election. Oh, shoot.

But you don't support Donald Trump.

No, I I support Donald Trump in some things. I don't support Trump and other things.

You know, it's nuance.

Yeah, I know.

We can whatever. Yo, the the Fearless tour was freaking amazing.

Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Ben's a monarch, too. You know that?

Oh, really?

Yeah. Ben, the Orthodox guy. Yeah.

It has to be Orthodox Christian. Absolutely. That's pretty.

Yeah.

But all my Christians in the chat, give a cross. Give a cross in the chat. All my Christians.

Drop a cross, guys. Catholic, Orthodox, and.

Drop across.

Let's let's drown out the the Islamic cringe. Let's drown out.

Come on. Remember, Islamic dilemma, the Islamic apologist can't hold the candle.

Support support and people. This country is going to hell. But you can you can keep the sanity within your medicine. You can't let communism prevail. We all know what happened. We get more from you.

And look at uh the whole Middle East basically from Saudi Arabia to to Afghanistan.

That's exactly what happens when uh Islam.

You have to bring back. Yeah, that's what I wanted to tell you. I literally came all over here just as.

Bro, appreciate it, man. I'll help.

I'll put myself on the on the team to help me whatever.

Appreciate it, man.

Yeah, for sure. I got to sit down and read some super chats in a second, too. But.

Oh, you do it right here. There you go. Cap it. Get one on your phone, too.

Yeah, I know. You're like in the liberal stronghold. I couldn't let you couldn't let you do it.

Especially after the with the black you left.

There we go.

Yo, can you say um can you say hello to my wife?

Yeah. Yeah.

It's Veronica.

Veronica. Hi, Veronica. How's it going? I met your husband in the park today. He came out and saw me and he's been arguing with liberals ever since he got here. Uh, you've been doing a great job.

Awesome.

Yeah, she's Greek Orthodox.

Greek. Greek Orthodox. Nice. I can't remember what Ben is. I think he might.

We're We're all Orthodox.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just the jurisdiction.

Yeah. Yeah. I know. The the Church of the Holy Supplr is like crazy with the with the jurisdictions. Yeah.

Have you Have you ever been?

No, dude. I would love.

There's like a ladder. So, at the Church of the Holy Supplr, there's a a ladder just above the entrance.

And it's like So, it's like a gang war inside the church. It's like you you have like the Greek Orthodox and the.

Like Catholics and like these people.

They have a lot of disputes.

It's a lot of disputes.

You cannot change anything about the church unless all of the churches involved approved it. So there's been a ladder on a window sill.

Out of curiosity.

Right now, uh 11:30, but there was 1,600.

Um so there's like a ladder on a window sill and they can't agree to move it. So it's been there for like hundreds plus years.

And and the ladder rotted off and fell and they put a new ladder up. Let's just leave it there.

Crazy.

But no, that's the kind of Christianity that you want. You want a Christianity that is in tandem with each other, not just the the Pope and the Catholic.

Uh Vatican just trying to usurp power cuz that's where the schism comes.

Yeah.

I want a kind of Christianity that kind of like collaborates together. All the patriarchs talks together and gets into like these councils.

I did a lot of research. I used to be atheists.

Yeah, me too. And I did a lot of research whenever it came to the history of Christianity. I'm not oriental, but shout out to the orientals.

No, no, no. It's not okay. [laughter] Hey, look. I don't know what your problem is.

Don't touch.

But you really need to check yourself.

But this is what I'm talking about.

No, no, no, no, no. Cuz y'all out here looking totally stupid and then you insult this woman. Like, who the hell are you?

I didn't insult her.

Calling me selfish because I haven't selfish and you agree with her.

It is selfish. I'm choosing my own. I didn't say insult. Y'all two are being [ __ ] right now. I'm not.

I mean, they are, but that's just what Republicans do.

Yeah, but I'm not even a Republican.

But seriously, you owe this kid.

I think you owe me an apology. You don't walk up people and touch them. People who touch me don't have a good reputation.

Okay.

Oh, so now you insulting me.

No, I'm not insulting you. I'm threatening you. So, don't touch me again. Listen.

Look, I don't like.

There's no need for escalation.

But still, we don't I.

Think we had a good conversation. She stayed around. Thank you for talking. I think you are I think you are really really here's what I'm going to say. I think you are really really smart. I think that you could do something incredible if you had more empathy for other people.

But he is doing something.

I do have empathy for people.

But I mean he's not doing anything. I mean like no offense but your career and your life is going to go about my career in my life.

I know that you have 1100 followers and you're out here.

1100 following. He gives you he gives you a platform to speak your mind. Whatever it is that you want to talk about.

In a fascist government, in a communist government, you'd be lucky if you get anything like this. Anything like that?

I'm anti-fascist.

Okay, but if you're anti-fascist, wouldn't you be supportive of conjecture?

Anti-fascism means things of choice. No, no, I am.

Yeah, that means the choice of thought, right?

Correct. Yeah, that's why I said he's very smart. I think he can do good things. Hey, that's good. So, I'm not going to assault you.

And nor does he need that kind of disrespect either.

Disrespect from.

No, no. I mean, just assaulting an individual is disrespectful. So, he doesn't deserve that and you don't deserve that.

But any any kind of physical interaction that is unwanted is bad. So assault is also coming at you intimidating.

My mom is actually a rape at all.

No, I said battery. I said battery.

Battery is not.

Wait. Yes, it is.

Wait. It actually it is battery.

Assault is not Assault is not touching. Assault is a threat of touch.

We can act this.

Assault is a threat of touch. Right. So if I go like this, I [ __ ] my arm back and you feel like I'm going to punch you. That's assault. Even if I haven't touched you, right? Battery is the touching. Okay.

You don't in most states.

Yeah. In most states, you don't need harm.

Okay. So, if I tap you lightly, that's battery.

If I don't states, yes.

But what's the point? If no one is nobody's.

No, but the thing is is if he feels like he's threatened, if he feels like he's threatened, that is already assault.

No, no, we're not saying nobody's saying that. You have to use your.

Well, no. I have to like do something to make you feel threatened. So, like if I [ __ ] back like this, that's assault.

Thinking skill. Well.

I was a demonstration, but like you got if I go like this, I start to swing. Yeah, that's assault.

Call this under.

Okay, this is.

Come on. You know I'm not going to punch you. I'm just demonstrating.

Exactly.

Now, all I'm saying is that he gave you a platform.

Right?

Just accept. Say whatever you want. He's not telling you not to talk and he's not editing.

What's the point you saying? I I agree with that. Obviously.

I think he's I think he's directing it at this guy. But I mean, whoever whoever wants to talk.

I think you're just my go.

Okay. You You have the right to be upset, but you don't have the right to act.

I am not upset because.

You don't talk to [ __ ] women like this.

I talk to women however I want to talk to women.

Oh, we know. Oh, we know.

Listen. I treat women equally. I treat women I treat women equally.

That's what's wrong with your [ __ ].

What? That I treat women equally. That's a problem. Freedom is freedom. It's freedom. It's freedom. Hey.

Is freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

What's our favorite Mundy policy?

Things better. Y'all making things worse.

I mean.

I mean, look what y'all Republicans be doing.

Like, what?

Y'all be y'all talking all this [ __ ].

I'm not a Republican, by the way.

You guys support.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Snap SNAP benefits are off right now because Democrats refuse to vote in the budget. [laughter]

[ __ ]

Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. Snap SNAP SN SN SN SN SN SN SN SN SN SNAP benefits ran out because the government the government is shut down because Democrats refused to vote yes on the resolution.

The government is shut down right now.

No, Democrats voted against keeping the government open killing of.

No, but but the thing is because Democrats won't vote on a budget.

They voted no.

It's the same budget as last year.

It's the exact same budget. The budget didn't change.

It's the same budget Democrats voted yes to last year.

How is it our fault?

Democrats voted no on the budget. It's the same budget as last year.

What about it?

What about it? What's the problem?

The man is evil.

How's he evil?

So, I thought.

No, he's not. SNAP benefits have run out because the government has shut down because Democrats wouldn't pass the budget. [laughter]

They're not getting paid by the federal government.

As a result, the dem government shut down.

The government is shut down because Democrats wouldn't pass the budget. It's the same budget as last year they voted yes on and they won't pass it.

You like traveling, right?

Yes.

You want it to be easier.

I don't give a long snap benefits.

The government So, do you know why the government shuts down? What causes that? The government shutdown is caused by a failure to pass a budget. Democrats voted no on the budget. It is their fault.

People who are literally on there's no policies in the budget. It's just a budget and it's the same budget as last year and they voted yes on it last year.

I can't even keep up with the.

I know it's fast.

Wow.

Yeah.

Okay.

I can't my my thing keeps coming. Twitter notifications. Yeah. Thanks guys.

Have a good one. That's really.

God bless.

What I would say is like because in eth grade I used to be Republican is what radicalized me is genuinely going out and talking to people. Talk to trans people. Talk to people. Talk to like talk to people that you think.

I I have talked to hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world in different countries in different states. I've traveled the entire country.

Empathy for them in their flight.

No, I have empathy. I just know how to separate my empathy from pragmaticism.

[laughter]

Think that they should have a right to exist.

No, they have a right to exist.

They don't have a right to be in women's spaces, right? You have a right to exist. You can do whatever you want with your body. I don't care if you wear a dress. You don't have a right to be in women's locker rooms.

Yes, I know women who feel threatened by them. I have friends who were on the Upen swim team with Leah Thomas, who had to change in a locker room naked with a man with a penis.

I I don't care.

How many people were murdered today? Does that mean murder isn't a problem?

First of all, thousands of people have been murdered today. But my point is there are less than 10 transgender athletes.

How many people have been murdered in the last hour?

Okay, great. It doesn't matter cuz you're saying that because this rarely happens, that means uh we should allow it to continue happening, which I disagree with. It's a fallacy.

Understand that the government once the politics go.

How many do you think were murdered right in the last hour here in New York?

I'd say probably probably zero. Maybe one. I would say probably 20.

Highly doubtful.

And you know, doubtful.

Highly doubtful.

What do you think? You think there are 20 murders an hour in the city? What do how many murders do you think there is right now? In the city?

How many?

She thinks there's 20 people murdered in the city in the last hour. His.

Question to the.

Point The point is that just because something rarely happens doesn't mean it should.

Athletes are transgender. He said how many people have been murdered in the last hour?

Give a [ __ ].

My point is that just because something is rare doesn't mean you should allow it to happen. My point is we're making legislation around trans women.

No. No. Because men shouldn't be allowed in women's spaces.

Do you know how many times I've been assaulted by a trans?

I don't care.

It doesn't matter.

Does a man need to wear a woman's wig to walk into a bathroom?

Again, it doesn't matter. Just because it.

Just because it's rare doesn't mean it shouldn't it should be allowed.

Yeah. And they should go to jail.

Do you understand the correlation between trans people and pedophilia? Do you understand the correlation between this completely study right now?

No, no. I'm just I'm just saying if if straight if straight men.

You're a Christian, right?

If straight men have a proclivity towards pedestrian, why would trans men be excluded?

That's a great point actually.

So what is this? So our show your argument is that men are more like I'm trying to No, this is.

Men are men are more likely to rape people. Men are more likely to murder people. They're more violent.

This is me trying to be devil's.

And trans men happen to be or trans women happen to be men.

Help you flex your brain.

So if if straight.

They are men. It's a objective fact. Yeah. There's no way around it.

How can you exclude?

No. No. They are men. A a man is defined as an adult human male. A woman is defined as an adult human female.

I'm trying to get your response. Okay.

A trans woman is a man.

No. No. Female is defined as a person who falls in the sexual category capable of bearing children and producing ova.

Men can never fall into that category.

Okay. What does trans.

No, they still fall into the sexual category.

Okay. So what? Okay. Become something else.

Interex people their bodies are still ordered towards one or the other. Right. So even if you're interex your body is still ordered towards bearing children or producing oa. There might be a mutation.

Okay. So if you're a trans woman.

No, no, no. Your body is still ordered toward Nobody has like three penises and two sets of ovaries, right? Their body is still ordered towards one or the other.

And therefore, you would say they're male or female.

Has a proclivity towards pedophilia.

No, they have micro penises. It's like a it's like a nodule. It's like an extended clitoris, right? So there's their their body. Yes. men who.

Thank you.

They don't have ovaries.

Why would I be more scared of a trans woman than a sis man?

They don't have ovaries. That doesn't exist.

Trans. Every person regardless of interex status, right? They may have mutations that cause them to have more um like male sexual characteristics, but regardless, you'd have to prove that it did does exist, right? I can't prove a negative. Their bodies are always ordered towards one or the other. We should We're like arguing through two people right now, but their bodies are always ordered towards one or the other.

To go into a woman's space.

They go into a woman's space.

If somebody is like a leg.

That can happen.

Would it be easier for them to do if octopus.

Camouflaged itself? No. Would it make it easier?

Because because men walk into women's restrooms without the wig and they rape us anyway.

I understand.

I understand your point.

No, it just makes it easier.

No, it doesn't because they walk [ __ ] into the bathroom and they touch us without consent.

Right. It makes it easier though when you're allowed there.

It doesn't make it easier when you're allowed there. It does.

Rape is breaking the law. Do you think men care? Oh, this law says I'm not allowed to go into the women's bathroom, so I won't. But the law also says they can't rape and they're still doing it. You think men care about what? Well, I think it makes it way easier to go into the bathroom and touch women. Especially when it's like uh what do you call it?

Especially Especially Especially when it seems as though you will be uh sort of it's taboo, right? It'd be taboo to.

Different ways, but they don't look up testicles.

Penis. Then when they say penis, they mean micro penis, like an extended clitoris.

No, no, no, no, no. It's just an extended No, it's still an extended clitoris, right? No, no. So, you have a vagina, but it's not a penis, right? It's not capable of producing male uh gametes, right? It it doesn't have a hole. You don't pee through it. It's not a penis. It's just an extended clitoris.

Not to seduce a man in order to rape him. Men get raped. He just said men don't get raped.

Men do get raped.

Men get raped all the time.

No, men get raped just to be raped. Men get raped all the time. How are you out here claiming that I'm like super feminist and yet you don't believe that men get raped or that men's sexual assault is a problem? Men's sexual assault is a massive problem because they can't get.

Oh, she doesn't like you. This is something you're telling me that bathrooms male bathrooms in attempt to rape fully grown a.

Militant men.

It's it's unrealistic.

But it's not because it happens. Because that's what rapist.

If a man gets raped, he is capable of fully defending himself. No, because there are men in wheelchairs. There are men who are weaker.

Look at me right now. Okay. There are probably about 25 guys in this park I could take down and rape because they're little tiny like twinks.

Okay.

Well, yeah, it's cuz we're in New York.

Okay.

Charlie. Charlie.

Wait. Yeah. Yeah. Point them. Point them out. Point them out. Point them out.

I actually don't see any you could take down. Should be allowed to be. The fact that men can't be raped because they're stronger than women is literally against men's.

But that's the point of rape is that you are being assaulted against your will.

My my male ex got raped twice. My ex got raped twice by the same girl.

Okay. He got a roof. A woman could use a possible.

No. Men men get raped. Yeah. But what he's just he's just saying men account for more rape. Like men do rape more often. Women are more uncomfortable when men are changing in their spaces. Like, how would you feel if you were in the locker room? Let's say I don't know if you did sports, but like let's say you're on the swim team. Takes a long time to change in and out of your swimsuit, and there's a big burly shouldered guy with long hair and a penis.

It's just not.

Very uncomfortable, right?

Women get raped in relationships more than anything else.

I understand that, but that's only because.

It's not true.

Leah Thomas Leah Thomas was big, burly shouldered, and had.

Women shouldn't be in sports. That's not the point. Trans women shouldn't be in sports. I completely agree.

Should Okay, so we then we're all in agreement then.

No, because trans women are women. That is women.

Wait, they're not women. Why can't they be in sports if they're not women?

Biologically different. However.

Because they're not women and they're not more likely to be.

Cuz they're not women.

Trans women, they are not biological women.

No, they're not women at all.

But why is it so hard for you to say, "Okay, that person is not."

Because it's false.

But I am a biological woman. When I see a trans woman who's living her best life, makes you happy. Who gets.

Different than you? Yeah.

It's different than me. But I feel so much joy because she's.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't I don't believe in lying to make people happy.

But why not? Why not?

You admit it's a lie. You just admitted it's a lie.

It is. She's not. But she's.

Oh, great.

She's a trans woman. No trans women thinks they're.

But it's a lie. I don't lie for people's joy because I don't believe in degrading the truth.

Okay. So, if you go out and you get a boob job, right?

Yeah. I'm still a man with a boob job.

Correct. But my point is, am I going to lie and tell you that you don't have [laughter] boobs or that that's not your body?

A trans woman with a vagina and tits, you could say all day long that she's a man and you might still want to [ __ ] her because let me tell you, you can't tell most of the time.

No. What do you mean? Of course you can.

I can show you right now. I didn't say I'm telling you. No, no, no. I'm not doing this. No. No. You can tell. You can tell.

Label someone. What?

Label label. What do you mean?

Why do you feel like you can call someone a man or a woman?

Well, because a woman is defined as an adult human female and female is defined as a person who falls in the sexual category capable of bearing over and producing offspring.

Yeah.

So, we have words. They mean things.

Men are not women. They can't be women.

Why do you feel like you can relate with someone else?

Yes. Why do you care?

Right? Because words mean things and they have definitions. And men can't be women.

Because I believe in spreading the truth, not lies. The fact, the idea that men can be women is a lie.

And she admitted it's a lieuten with the lies.

It is a lie.

You're not [ __ ].

Right. But I don't believe in degrading the truth. Everyone has.

But but stop labeling her a liar because.

She she admitted it's a lie. She said it's a lie. She I didn't call her a liar. I said the statement is a lie.

Never lied in your life.

No, I'm not saying that. But I think you should try to limit lying as much as possible. No. No. No. No. Because because so so there's a difference between my mom says my mom says have you cleaned your room and I say yes and I lie that doesn't affect policy right this does affect policyffects policies.

The lie that men can be women.

But but it doesn't it does.

Wait it affects policies it affects policy.

When a woman is hurt by another person.

No but it affects policy that I'm answering his question it affects policy on whether or men can be in women's sports, whether or not men can be in women's locker rooms, whether or not men can be in women's bathrooms, because they're not women, they're men.

I'm not saying women. I'm saying trans women. You see how I'm just being respectful? It's like.

No, no, I'm not going to. No, I don't lie.

Look at me. Here's the thing that I don't get is that you're so smart and you come out here, but the fact that you can't go out of your way and make yourself a little uncomfortable to make other people feel.

No, I I I'm not lying on a policy issue to make somebody feel a little happier. No, I'm sorry. It's wrong. It is a policy issue. The only reason we're talking about this is because it's a policy issue.

Why can't a trans woman come up to you and say, "Hey, my name's Clarice and I'm trans and I hurt."

They can say that. It doesn't mean I have to listen to them.

No, you don't. But a normal, nice, kind human being says, "Oh, okay. Clarice, I see that."

What was your name again, Charlie? If I walk up to you, Charlie, and I say, "Hi, Charlie. I'm a frog." Will you call me a frog?

If you want to.

That is ridiculous. That is so ridiculous.

Because why does it hurt you?

That is ridiculous. If you come up to me and tell me you're a frog, I'm not calling you a frog.

Why does it hurt you? Because it's just not true.

But why does it hurt you?

Because it degrades the truth and then we go into absurdity.

But you know that she's not biologically. You both know that. She's not coming.

So if we both know that, why would we lie about it?

Because she's not lying. The lie.

She has a mental illness and we are lying to affirm the mental illness.

Do you see the problem there?

I'm a biological woman.

You you want to know the harm is that every study I've read on the topic shows that suicide rates are higher posttop.

That's why it hurts. Because if you tell this person that they're actually a woman, no, you tell them that they're actually a woman, their mental illness doesn't get solved. If somebody has anorexia, you don't tell them they're fat and give them a dietary plan. That's called medical malpractice. Instead, what you do is you treat them for their mental illness to solve it and it doesn't go away.

Okay. Did you get given a dietary plan and told that you are fat? Were you told dietary plan?

Yeah. To eat more. Yeah.

Not eat less. Right. So, you don't affirm mental illnesses. You don't tell people they are fat when they have anorexia. You don't tell schizophrenics that the voices in their heads are real. You don't tell people that they're women.

That the suicide rate goes up post op is because of the fact that.

Because they're mental ill and it doesn't get resolved.

When you talk about you're not allowing me to speak.

No, the reason is because they're mentally ill and the problem doesn't get resolved. It gets worsened.

There's actually studies showing that the reason is because.

Site the study.

Just look the [ __ ] up. Trans people are suicidal because of people like you who don't listen.

No. No. They're suicidal because they're mentally ill.

No. Because being.

You Nobody who's not mentally ill is suicidal. I've been suicidal and it's caused by mental illness that makes you suicidal. Okay. The fact that.

It's called being transgender.

Okay. Being trans is.

Or gender dysphoria.

To do. Yes. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that has nothing to do with suicidal.

That's not true.

People who have gender dysphoria.

Highly correlated.

Yes. Highly correlated but not the same disorder. Because gender dysphoria is a disorder. All that makes you think is the fact that if you are a woman, you think I'm a man. If you are a man, you think I'm a woman. Right? That does not make you suicidal. What makes you suicidal is In a society where gender roles constrict you so much that the people around you hate you and begrudge you.

Yeah. Do you want to know the issue here? You want to know the issue here?

Dressing and the way you want.

I'm I'm I'm a little bit overweight. People call me fat all the time.

Guess what I don't do? Kill myself. Right. Why? Because I'm not mentally ill.

Right. People uh when I was a kid, I was I was extremely underweight.

Fat all the time. Is that.

No, but I'm certainly not going to kill myself about it. Why? Because I'm not mentally ill. They are. And affirming their mental illness does not solve the problem, which causes higher suicide rates.

And somebody told me every single day that I wasn't worthy of being here or that who I was made less.

Oh, I get told that every day. Why? Because I'm a conservative.

Right? But doesn't that make you feel bad?

Well, I'm not going to kill myself about it.

Do you want to make other people feel like that?

No, but I'm also not going to lie to people.

Okay. So, you are accepting the fact that you would rather make people feel suicidal and bad about themselves.

I'm not making them feel suicidal. They have a mental illness that's doing that.

But that mental illness isn't curable. Generous dysphoria is not curable. It's a lifelong condition.

That's you treat it with this thing called therapy. Not cutting your penis off.

So so many people have been to conversion therapy and it's been.

Wait, I'm not talking about conversion therapy. I'm talking about therapy.

Therapy doesn't work for trans people. It does not.

Therapy works for everyone. This is ridiculous.

Not trans though. It might make them feel better, but it's not going to make them.

That's the point.

Yeah.

That's the point. Is making them feel a little bit better so they don't kill themselves.

But then you're still going to be trans. Why open transition?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, hold up. Me affirming their gender does not solve the problem. Me lying to them does not solve the problem. It worsens the problem because it affirms their mental illness. The mental illness is what makes them kill themselves.

But the mental illness is one thing of their whole life. They can't get over it.

Right? So, they need to seek treatment for it.

But even if they seek treatment, they must stop being killed. They're going to have generous dysphoria their entire life.

Generous dysphoria is not a condition.

But what you shouldn't do is affirm the mental illness that makes them kill themselves. You see the problem?

But that is not what makes them kill themselves.

It is. Again, when people call me fat, I don't kill myself. When people tell me I don't belong here cuz I'm a conservative, I don't kill myself. When people bully me, I don't kill myself. I was viciously bullied my entire life. I didn't kill myself. Why? Because I'm not mentally ill.

I can tell. I can tell because you have hurt in your eyes when you talk about.

I trust me. If there's one thing I have in my eyes is not hurt.

But look at you when you talk to me about these things. I can tell how angry you are. And when you.

I'm not angry at all.

When you brought up how you bullied and when you brought up how people called you fat, that's the first thing you said to me. I can tell whether or not you think that I can that that hurts you because you're bringing it up.

It doesn't hurt me. Actually, I could care less people call me fat. But it doesn't matter. Like regardless, I don't kill myself over it. It doesn't matter if it actually hurts me or not. Like yeah, it's not great to get called fat, but I don't kill myself cuz I'm not mentally ill.

Tougher than somebody who's suicidal.

Okay. Well, I would just say like if you kill yourself because.

Somebody is mean to you. Yeah. You're weak.

AF your entire life rejected by their parents, their friends, everybody around them. My ex is trans. She's.

Maybe some intros in introspection would be useful there.

She's a trans woman, right? Accept her. Her friends accept her. Nobody except I accept. Do you know where she is now that she's happy and now that she has parents who've come around to it? She is so happy.

Okay, great.

Her best life and she's not post.

What I'm telling you though, post op has the highest suicide rate. Studies repeatedly show this.

Because post op is when you look the most trans because post op if you are a person who's biologically male and you got a beard and tits, you know what you're going to get with the rest of.

Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's a c it's like a duration of time after the operation. Like after you fully transition, people who have transitioned fully are less like are more likely to kill themselves than people who haven't.

Yes, because living life transition is hard because most trans people don't pass.

Okay. Well, I'm just going to fundamentally disagree with you. I need to find some food to eat and then I got to catch a flight. Thank you for talking. I appreciate it. Have a good one.

All right.

I got to go grab food.

Nice to meet you, man. Yeah, of course.

Yeah, of course. Thank you. I appreciate it. Sorry your hands are full. Have a good one. I will see you guys later.

Yeah. Let's get W's.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to keep it up. We're going to keep it up.

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I Challenged New Yorkers on Zohran Mamdani's Policies (CAUGHT LYING)

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