Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

The two most prominent Chinese corporate lawyers end up at the SEC. Both their law firms are very involved in the Ethereum project. And this guy will not apply the securities laws to Ethereum. And then a year and a half later, they turned around and the SEC sued Ripple claiming that XRP was a security. There was like a massive coordinated effort to delay that information coming out.

Crypto is born with the Bitcoin white paper, which is published on Halloween of 2009, by an unknown person or group of people known as Satoshi Nakamoto. Okay. Um, that nobody really knows who it is. No one. Well, somebody knows who it is, but, uh, you've got a lot of people projecting a narrative into the market that no one knows who it is. Oh, okay. That's what I don't. So it's, it's, it's just the, that's the mainstream, you know, thing. We don't know who Satoshi is. So he publishes this white paper. Now, it's coming out of the financial crisis of 2008, right? 2008, 2009, uh, which I think you're very familiar with, the mortgage crisis, uh, and the things that occurred. Madoff ends up becoming discovered, who was in line to be chairman of the SEC at the time, right? Uh, so we have Dodd-Frank come out. Um, but effectively, uh, the, the, the highest levels of finance pretty much knew that the fiat game was coming to a conclusion as a result of that, right? Uh, so they turned the money printer on. They tried to come up with some rags. They bailed out the banks, the, the two big to fail banks, all that stuff, The Big Short and all these movies.

What Satoshi, the essence of what they, um, they get at is that by having the banks, the central banks, if you will, control the money supply. And so it's basically having a centralized place where they get to decide, you know, uh, the winners and losers, the balls and strikes, all that kind of stuff. Having a centralized umpire is a bad thing. And we need to figure out a way to basically have our monetary system be decentralized and basically owned by the people. And if you read the white paper, he came up. There was a big problem, a couple big problems with trying to do it digitally. One of them was called the double-spend problem, which is that, you know, it's, it's the issue you referenced before about being able to, uh, fraud, right? Uh, and just copy and paste if it's digital. Uh, think about it being a digital picture. You can just copy and paste it, right? Well, that was a concern. So, how do you, how do you make sure that this unit of value that's in digital code is the actual unit of value? It can't be counterfeited. Exactly.

Um, so the protocol that he came up with, which was expressed in the white paper, is called Proof of Work. And it was basically that you had a bunch of computers solving, uh, computer problems, and once they all agreed that that was the answer, it basically printed a block. So that's a point in the history of a block, and then it would do it again and basically says all the transactions that occurred in that are the correct transactions. By doing this system, he solved that double-spend problem that we, we actually know that, um, the, the blocks that are being recorded on the Bitcoin blockchain. So just sequentially, one after another after another, are the actual transactions that are occurring on the network. So that's, so you know that it can't be counterfeited. This can't, this each one of these cannot be counterfeited. So, correct. That makes it secure. Yeah.

The, the, the problem with Bitcoin is that it takes an enormous amount of computing power to basically solve all these problems. And we've now moved into an industrial level of that process of solving the problems. They call that mining. Have you heard like, and so, and they guys that have the, I know the guys that have like 10 or 12 or 20 of them lined up. Those are called miners, right? Through little small single-purpose computers that all they're doing is cranking away on hashing out, uh, the, you know, the problem or whatever that they're trying to solve, and once they do it, blocks are printed, yields them some rewards. Now, they all participate in pools. So it's kind of like the more power you're putting into doing it collectively, the more yield you get out of the pool. And now we have public companies that their sole focus is just doing these mining operations.

Um, the largest Bitcoin mining operation is a company called Bit Deer. It's a spin-off of the largest Bitcoin miner manufacturer. So the manufacturer of the, the actual computers, which was a company called Bitmain out of China. They spun off their mining operations and it's located in Texas, where I live. And it is, um, it's something to behold, right? I mean, it's, um, those little computers are six, like six-inch squares, maybe, you know, foot long type of thing. Um, imagine that stacked on top of each other, 30 feet in the air, and then going down 100 yards in a tunnel, and then about 20 of those, what they call trains, these different tunnels. And it's operated by a team of maybe 12 people. Um, you know, a Bitcoin miner, they sit in a trailer and they've got computer screens that are monitoring how the computers are operating. If one goes out, gets an alert, guy jumps in a golf cart, drives down, pulls that one out, unplugs it, puts a new one in, plugs it back in, and it's right back to doing it. Takes that one back to the shop, reboots it. Right.

Okay. So, uh, any idea how much revenue or Bitcoin that facility is producing? Yes. Uh, that one, based on, so they did a SPAC merger deal to go public in the United States. Um, you guys familiar with what that even means? No. Uh, SPAC is a special purpose acquisition company. It's a company that goes public before it has any assets. So, it raises the money on the promise that that group of people is going to go out and basically do a deal, do a merger or something with another company. Uh, the company that went public was called Blue Safari Acquisition Corp., and they did a merger with this company, Bit Deer, that I'm telling you about. Uh, they were doing in the first half of '21, they had done something like $230 million in revenue. This one company far and away dwarfed all the other Bitcoin mining companies. Okay.

So, um, if we actually use Bitcoin for day-to-day transactions, buying coffee, buying groceries, all that type of stuff, uh, this Proof of Work protocol requires too much. It would melt the world down, right? It would take all of the electricity that is produced. Like it would require more electricity than it's even being produced. And this is occurring at the same time that AI is starting to manifest and become so data center capacity and stuff for artificial intelligence is competing with the Bitcoin type stuff.

So, um, so then the, basically, there was another version of the, of how to do it that was developed by this company. Really precedes the company. It was developed by a group of people that formed what is now Ripple Labs, okay, in the XRP Ledger. So the Bitcoin, um, the, the, what was expressed in Satoshi's white paper, that protocol is called Proof of Work. You know, it's like, remember taking algebra, like proof of your work? It's that concept that all these computers have to basically solve the problem, prove that they actually worked it out, and then they get Bitcoin for that. So that's how that whole protocol, Proof of Work, works. Um, the XRP Ledger, which the XRPPL uses, uses a different protocol that doesn't require mining. Okay. All of the XRP, there was a 100 billion XRP that was created as part of its genesis block. Basically, it's an initial start of the network, was created then. So there is no need to mine it. It already exists. You only need to basically do the transaction proofing part of it, and they do that by something called a consensus mechanism. And same thing, it's a decentralized network of computers that are basically looking at the transactions on the ledger and then, you know, going through a series of coming to a consensus, which I think is greater than 80%, that it is that group of transactions that's the actual transactions. And so that principle block, and same type of thing as the Bitcoin. Okay. Okay.

So, uh, it's super energy efficient. It's super fast. A, a, a XRP trans. So, I don't know if you've ever pushed a Bitcoin transaction before, but it takes sometimes now three to five hours to settle. When I was first getting into this stuff, you would, you know, buy some Bitcoin or send it to somebody, and sometimes you wouldn't know till the next day if they had got their money or not. Um, so that was one of the things that got me looking. It was like, there's got to be another solution, right? Uh, XRP transactions settle in three to five seconds. It's like faster than you can talk. Like if I were to send you some money right now, right, you'd be like, "Holy [ __ ] I can't believe that happened like that fast." So, it's super fast, super energy efficient because there's no mining involved. Um, and it is super scalable, right? Already, uh, the ledger can do like 1,500 transactions per second, but it can be scaled into the millions of transactions per second for global transactions.

So, where we're evolving now is that, um, we're starting to put assets on-chain and we're using networks like the XRPL to do what's called the tokenization of assets, which is effectively putting the ownership, the indicia of ownership, on-chain. That's what tokenization means. So, um, if you think about, uh, think about this home, right? A real estate type thing. You'd want to basically take the title level documentation of what it means to actually have, so the deed, any mortgage, encumbrance, lien, all that stuff. All that data, you'd want to put into effectively an NFT and put that in and print that NFT to the ledger. And that's that process of doing that is called tokenization. Okay? So, we're going to tokenize everything. We're going to tokenize every security, you know, every stock, every bond. That's where it's going to start because those are super easy to do. We're going to tokenize every mortgage, all this stuff. So, 20 years from now, everything that kind of happens in the paper world will happen via blockchain.

Uh, we're in a process right now where they're tokenizing all the fiat money, and that's what it's called stablecoins. Have you been hearing kind of that like there's USDC, which is, um, done by a company called Circle, um, US, USDT, which is Tether's stablecoin. That's the most prominent. It's the number, it battles with XRP between number three and number four, uh, cryptocurrency by market cap. Um, but that is, you know, allegedly Tether acquires US Treasuries and that they are pegged, you know, they're each unit of Tether, each coin is pegged one to one with the US dollar. Uh, Ripple is about to launch. They just got approval yesterday to launch their own stablecoin, which is going to be called the RLUSD for Ripple USD, but they call it the Real USD. Um, and every other currency, the British pound, the Swiss franc, you know, Chinese yuan, the Russian ruble, the rupee, everything is going to be, all fiat money will be put into a tokenized form so it can run on blockchain. Okay.

Um, so, and you're saying that this is happening now? I'm saying, is this like, is there legislation that says no, no, this has to be done by, so there is 2030 or, yeah, so, um, yeah, what you're saying is, is there a hammer that's like that's coming down? So, uh, yes, there's, um, the Fed had already committed to move to, um, basically its FedNow program and have what they're calling the big bank, uh, switch over to digital by March 2025. Well, I understand. So, so this has been, cash, cash will ultimately be phased out. You won't need it. How long, and you're, Okay. And you're saying that that's law? That's Congress has passed? Well, um, we're going to have to get into, uh, the Fed's relationship with our government, which is, you know, the Fed is not actually our government. Yeah. So, it's, they don't have to follow the law, right? They're a private corporation that's a third party to the federal government. The Fed has determined this is what's going to happen. The Fed is moving, all the central banks are moving into this. The Fed is just a central bank. It's the head of the central banking system globally.

Um, I'm sorry. There is, there is legislation. There's a few handful of bills that are in Congress right now to basically make this stable. There's one of them is a Stablecoin Act that may occur by the end of this year or very early next year once Trump is sworn in. And then, and then so that'll, that'll make the, they will phase out cash, paper cash, and you'll use your phone just like you're using tap to pay credit cards now and your Apple Pay on your cell phone. You'll spend digital, digital money. Will it still be USD or it'll be titled like it'll be USD? Yeah. What? It'll be, it'll be whatever currency you want to use, and that kind of gets into globally what's happening. Uh, are you familiar with like the BRICS nations? Yeah. Okay. So that's Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, right? Uh, the BRICS has exploded. Buddies. Yeah. All of our, but well, you know, maybe after this conversation, you'll think of buddies and enemies in a different way. I don't know. Okay.

Um, so they, they've gone off in a certain direction because they've had to, because, um, the US federal government has sanctioned them out of the monetary system. So the United States and the Fed controls what's called the SWIFT system, okay, which was kind of, it's built on like 1970s messaging technology. Hasn't been updated. You know, you send a basically a SWIFT message, and then they have to settle in paper through something called these nostro-vostro accounts in a correspondent banking system. So all these banks in different countries, they basically get the message, they say, "Okay, Matthew wants to pay Jimmy in, you know, India, okay? And Jimmy wants to receive the rupee in India, or Matthew wants to send a dollar, right?" So they send the message that that's occurred. Then the bank in India basically has to say, "Okay, I'm going to take some dollars and set them over here from, not from Matthew. Matthew like dealt with JP Morgan or somebody over here in the United States, right? But I'm going to take JP Morgan's account of dollars and take some money out there and then take out of my rupee account and put it into Jimmy's account." So that kind of accounting function and moving the money around between the banks is called correspondent banking. Massive fees, super slow. So, I mean, it can take days, weeks sometimes to basically, um, to settle money that way. Okay.

Um, fiat money. Um, and so in this new digital world, right? And then there's all the costs of that, right? Every one of those middlemen banks, you know, is getting a fee. And so when you start thinking about the people who come into the United States and they're working and they're sending money back home to Mexico or Central America or India, wherever, China, um, they, uh, those are called remittances, right? And that's where your MoneyGram and Western Union and all these companies, you know, think about the people who like get their check and then they're going to like, get cash now, and then they're sending, they're getting charged like 10% to send money back home, you know, to mom or grandma, whoever they're sending it to. Um, this new digital world will allow those cross-border remittances to occur. Oh, and then, you know, there's a time issue. It'll allow those to occur in three to five seconds at virtually no cost, like fractions of a penny, and it'll be direct. And the way that occurs is instead of doing the nostro-vostro where we have to keep all this liquidity locked up at these different banks in the different currencies, you don't need to do that anymore. You'll have a digital dollar, a digital rupee, and then you need a bridge asset. And that's what XRP is. So JP Morgan, you'll say, "Okay, send Jimmy, and he wants to get these rupees. He wants $10,000, you know, equivalent in rupees, right?" So you'll tell JP Morgan that they'll take the dollars, buy XRP, send it digitally to the bank in, um, India. They'll take the XRP and convert it into digital rupee. I've got it. And that the whole thing will occur in seconds. And it costs less than a penny to do that transaction. And when I say less than a penny, we're talking like 0.00005 or something like that of a penny. Okay. Yeah. Because this is just an automated system that requires automated systems, digital system.

So, we've had to, you know, there's been a whole, you know, thing that's had to occur over many, many years, um, of plumbing that digital system and creating these digital rails to move, um, you know, to have the networks be able to talk in all these different countries. Um, and, and, you know, you kind of need to bring everybody onto the system at the same time because if you're not on the system, you will instantly just be kind of not competitive in that market. You know, you'll never, if you're a, you know, a small country, you know, in Africa or something like that, and you don't kind of come onto this system, you will be forever outside the system and having to rely on, you know, trying to get your fiat money, get somebody to take it in a system that's already gone digital. But you, But you're saying that everybody has already signed up and agreed to be on the system? Yes. At this point. Yes. And we're in the final innings of making the switch over, which for the Fed, they're going to, I think it's like March the 10th, 2025, they're going to move over to digital. It's been discussed that there's going to be like a year, 18 months, it could take five years till they, you know, take cash out of the system.

Um, now, your concern about, um, the control over that and like governments or, you know, some party being able to take money out of your accounts. I mean, that's really kind of what's fueling the geopolitical unrest that we're going through right now in the world as we move to this new system. Um, that is, you know, humanity, you know, is looking to have a digital bill of rights. We're looking for a decentralized system where there is no Fed or central bank that's completely in charge of doing that for these exact reasons, right? And so, um, that's what this movement towards decentralization is so important because otherwise, if we just allow them to switch over and it's the same, you know, bank monopolists that kind of run everything, then they'll absolutely be able to make us do whatever, right? So, we kind of have to reject that system. That's what these populist movements are all about politically because it's already kind of happening through the large corporations, everything them forcing, you know, whether it be diversity, equity, inclusion type stuff, or, you know, BLM or what, you know, whatever the political themed dour is, climate change, all this kind of stuff, right? Um, or if you don't get vaccinated, then shut your account. If you don't get vaccinated, right? Exactly. Or we've got a shortage on gas. So for every household, you can now only spend $150 a month on gas or, you know, because there's a shortage or, you know, whatever the reason is. Yeah.

So, we absolutely, and I believe, um, you know, believe Trump's rise to power and the people he's putting in place are very much, you know, freedom-loving American people, right back to constitutional type principles. Um, and I believe you're going to see more of that manifest. Um, you know, when he's in office, I think you're going to see a major dismantling of the centralized governmental systems across the world. It's what's happening here is happening everywhere. Uh, the unrest in humanity and all that. I mean, people are tired of being debt slaves to the system, right? Um, and, you know, people are rising up and it's getting kind of, you know, getting a little crazy out there.

So, so what happened with the regulation of the SEC? That, Yeah. So, um, that, so far, none of this, so far, all these different crypto coins, which, yeah, you know, assuming plays into this, has been unregulated. So, there are no regulations. Um, um, the SEC in particular has tried to take the existing securities laws and wrap them around this new technology. Okay. And it really doesn't work in some cases. It could work in other cases. The subject of the movie, Rigged from the Start, right? Um, which was done by Fruition Films. You can go to fruitionproductions.com and see the movie. Um, basically, there was this movement that has been going on in the government and in the regulatory agencies for a while. They knew this was coming, and what should have occurred was they should have started adopting regulations and kind of having rules of the world for the digital asset companies to follow and comply with, right? Uh, instead, what they did was they colluded with kind of the legacy banking system and people outside of the United States to, um, to front-run the system and try to monopoly, try to maintain the monopoly for the centralized banking parties and the political institutions that rely on this centralized banking system. Some might call that the deep state, right?

Um, so, uh, they basically picked one that they could control. That one became Ethereum. Uh, and they, uh, basically bought up the Ethereum supply. Ethereum was initially a Proof of Work chain as well, like Bitcoin. All right. Uh, they went through something called the Merge, I think that was in '22 or '23, where they turned it into a Proof of Stake protocol. So, remember we talked about, we had Proof of Work is Bitcoin, consensus is XRP. Uh, now you've got this other thing, which is Proof of Stake. So, Proof of Stake doesn't require the computers to like do all that hashing and mining stuff, right? It basically says, "Okay, the people who have the most Ethereum get to basically vote on the transactions that they think are real and that they are incentivized to basically elect or select the right transactions, and they do that by basically pushing their stake in and saying that's the one." So, uh, effectively, all these institutions got together, they bought up all the Ethereum, and now that it's effectively a centralized system, right? The SEC then, back in 2018, had one of their very senior people, a guy named Bill Hinman, who is the head of the Division of Corporation Finance. He went out and gave a speech that said Ethereum was decentralized and that they didn't see anybody, like there was no promoter behind Ethereum. Okay. And since it was decentralized, they wouldn't have to apply the securities laws to Ethereum. Okay. Okay.

What? So what ends up, what that means? You're like, break it down for me. So if the security laws apply to one of these layer-one chains, that means they can't just, you know, for you and me to send value back and forth like we talked about doing in those remittance transactions. We can't do that. We have to do a registration statement, give that to the Securities and Exchange Commission. We're talking about lawyers and time and money and all this stuff. Because we're engaging in an offer or sale of securities. Okay? So we have to comply with the entire securities law regime, right? Or find some exemption that works like a private placement type exemption, which can only be to accredited investors, like, you know, you and me may not be able to even engage in that transaction, right? So it basically completely decapitates the use case of what I'll call these layer-one blue-chip cryptocurrencies, which is basically to be for peer-to-peer to send value to each other. Okay. Okay. But if it's not regulated, well, we're not talking about necessarily being regulated, regulated by the securities law. Okay.

So, uh, with Ethereum, they basically said, not regulated by the securities law, and they got clever, and they came up with, they basically said since there's a consumption at that time of Ethereum, just like there is to do an XRP transaction, there's like a fraction of an XRP that's burned to move the money. That's basically the compensation into the network. Okay. Um, it's not a yield. It doesn't, like, go to the validators of the network. It's just the network is consuming itself and it's basically turning XRP into a deflationary asset as opposed to like fiat currency being an inflationary asset or inflationary currency because, uh, the Ethereum was being consumed as fees. They called them gas fees. Okay. Uh, they basically said Ethereum is like oil in the network or it's like natural gas in the network. It's being consumed to push the value on the network, and therefore it's a commodity. Okay? And the commodities rules, which apply to, you know, natural resources and gold and rice and soybeans and all that stuff, don't require all this registration and filing statements with the SEC and holding periods and all the things that apply to securities. So you can just trade, you know, in a more so.

So, by doing that, basically all of the Web3 development talent, all the software engineers and people who had the capability to start building what they call digital applications, DApps, on top of a blockchain, basically went to Ethereum. Okay. And started building off of that, off of that, because it had this, we call it the free pass. That speech that he gave, this guy Bill Hinman, called that the regulatory free pass. That, in and of itself, would have been probably fine that they did that. That's in 2018. The summer of 2018. A year and a half go by, and they decide. So at this point, you know, Bitcoin is far and away, because it's like the Kleenex. It's the Coca-Cola. You know, it's the first one. It's the one everybody knows, right? So it's, it's still to this day the standard. Well, it's, let's don't say it's the standard. Okay. I would say it's not the standard. It's the Kleenex. It's the Coca-Cola. Uh, it's, it's the way a normal, regular person, when you start talking about digital assets as we call them or crypto, they're naturally going to think Bitcoin because it was the first, and right now today, it's got the most value on the network. There's almost $2 trillion, I think, right? Um, XRP and Ethereum continue to battle for kind of the number two. My prediction, our firm's thesis and prediction, and a lot of people in our community believe XRP will ultimately overtake both of those because it's more efficient, faster, more environmentally friendly. It's just a better thing.

At the time he makes the speech, Ethereum basically overtakes XRP as being the number two crypto by market cap. All the developers flow there, and then a year and a half later, they turned around and the SEC sued Ripple claiming that XRP was a security. The guy that said it wasn't, well, he was the head of the, he was the head of the Division of Corporation Finance. Okay. Okay. So this from the for the SEC, SEC, right? Guy named Bill Hinman. When they decide to sue Ripple, and this gets into this is what the movie is about. This is the regulatory capture. This is the corruption.

Brad Garlinghouse, who's the CEO of Ripple, who's the primary steward of XRP, announced on December 21st, so it's like right before Christmas, that they've just been informed that they're going to be sued by the SEC. The SEC sues them the next day on December 22nd, three days before Christmas. $15 billion left the market cap of XRP in an instant. It went from where it was trading 30-40 cents, went like to 15 cents like in a heartbeat. Hundreds of thousands of people devastated financially, right?

The vote. So there's five commissioners at the SEC. There's a chairman and four other commissioners. That's how the SEC, kind of its upper ranks, that's how it works. And there's kind of divisions of enforcement, trading, corporation finance, all this different stuff. Uh, the vote to bring the lawsuit against Ripple was a 3-to-2 vote of those five commissioners. Okay? So there were three that voted for it and two that voted against it. Okay. Um, and it was pretty much, except for this one exception I'm about to tell you about, was pretty much down party lines, as in the more left-leaning people voted to sue, and the more right-leaning people on the commission voted we shouldn't sue. Uh, the tie-breaking vote was the chairman of the SEC, guy named Jay Clayton. Um, and he basically breaks the tie, says, "We're going to bring the lawsuit." They bring the lawsuit, and then he leaves the SEC the next day. And as well as like most of the top people who were arguing to bring the enforcement action, including this guy Bill Hinman, who had nothing to do with enforcement allegedly, but he had come back and was like very adamant that this lawsuit needed to be filed. They all leave the SEC.

Was there a reason why or? Well, um, the mainstream reason why that that Jay Clayton was leaving was because Biden had been elected, and he had been appointed by Trump, right? He assumes he's going to be fired. Well, I, it's, at the SEC, it's been normal protocol for the past several chairmen going back a while that they just resign and allow the new president, the new administration to appoint it. So from a surface level, that's all that was happening. He was just rolling off. Biden was going to be sworn in, you know, a week later or whatever, a couple weeks later, and appoint his own SEC chairman, which in fact occurred. Um, so, Bill Hinman leaves the SEC, they all leave the same time. He goes back to his law firm, Simpson Thatcher, which is one of these white-shoe securities capital markets law firms. Jay Clayton, same thing. Goes back to his law firm, Sullivan & Cromwell, for like, you know, so I think they're still technically partners there. They're still kind of in their law firms.

Shortly after, like within a few months, Jay Clayton ends up on the board of a company called One River, a hedge fund called One River. And as you started to look into One River, in October of 2020, before they dropped the lawsuit on Ripple, they made a billion-dollar investment in Bitcoin and Ethereum. Okay. Bill Hinman, he's left, he's gone to Simpson Thatcher. He ends up becoming the head of regulatory affairs for Andreessen Horowitz, which is really their crypto fund. They were the largest crypto hedge fund in the world at this point in time, right? They had just raised, I think it was a $2 billion fund to invest solely in crypto. Um, so he goes and becomes the head of regulatory affairs there. Okay. And all of us were just kind of watching this at the time. So, this is very early 2021, and kind of scratching our heads like, it didn't really mean that much to us at the time. It's like, okay, they're just, this is the revolving door of government and Wall Street. It's been happening for eons, right?

We start, we start doing some digging, and it turns out that Jay Clayton and Bill Hinman have been kind of together for a while. They actually go back. They were the lead attorneys on the IPO of Alibaba in 2014. All right. Okay. Alibaba is the largest IPO in history. Oh, okay. Okay. It was a Chinese company that they basically listed in the US at a $200, I think it was $230 billion total valuation. It's kind of like Amazon, right? Isn't it like a? It's like the Chinese version of Amazon. Um, we're going to dig into it a little more because this is kind of where it starts to, you start to kind of see how they're all connected. Um, but yes, they're like the Chinese version of Amazon. They sell a bunch of different products. They're also the largest distributor of Bitcoin miners in the world. So Bitmain, who I referred to that was manufacturing those miners that spun off Bit Deer, that has the Texas operations now, they're distributing most of their computers through Alibaba right after they go public. I mean, like the month after they go public, they do a joint venture with a company called Ant Financial, okay? And basically start to have their own financial arm. Alibaba does the, there was a guy who was Bill Hinman's partner at the law firm named Laying Chin. Okay. They were both featured after the Alibaba IPO as like dealmakers of the year. He becomes the general counsel of Ant Financial.

Um, and it, so, so we're like, okay, so all these guys are basically, they're all working together on these mega corporate deals and everything. Um, I wonder if Hinman, when he gave that speech back in 2018, like was there any involvement like with the law firm or something with. And it turns out there had been this foundation called the Ethereum Alliance, which was formed by JP Morgan, handful of law firms, Microsoft was involved, and all this stuff, and they formed right back in this 2017 time frame, leading up to the speech. Simpson Thatcher, Bill Hinman's law firm, is a major contributor to the Ethereum Alliance. Okay. Their sole purpose is to promote Ethereum. All right.

So, let me just kind of recap what we've, you've, so you've had the two most prominent Chinese corporate lawyers, if you will, end up at the SEC. They're both, their law firms, and I'll talk about Jay Clayton's firm here in a second. Both their law firms are very involved in the Ethereum project. So much so that they're part of the Ethereum Enterprise Alliance. And this guy, Bill Hinman, goes and gives a freaking speech saying they will not apply the securities laws to Ethereum. Okay? Effectively giving them a free pass. And then didn't stop there. A year and a half later, they sued the primary competitor of Ethereum. Okay. All right. All right. So, that was like smoke all over the place.

So, we start, you know, it wasn't us, but people in the community, notably, uh, there was a watchdog in DC called Empower Oversight. They start seeing all this timeline being put together by people in the XRP community, like, holy [ __ ], there's like corruption here, right? Something's going on. So they start doing FOIA requests on the Securities and Exchange Commission. FOIA is Freedom of Information Act. Super familiar with it. Yeah. Okay. They're asking, asking for Hinman's calendars, the emails, like, we want to see like what was the deliberative process before he gave this speech giving Ethereum a free pass, right? Right. We want to see if there's any connection. Was he talking to Simpson Thatcher people? All this kind of stuff, right? And the SEC, national security. Yeah. The SEC basically starts freaking hiding the ball. So, initially, they send one request asking for this stuff. And the SEC says, "Yeah, we'll respond, but we're breaking it up into 12 different requests." And the result being it takes years and years. At the same time, in the Ripple lawsuit, Ripple's counsel is asking for the same stuff because they're like, "We're the same. We're being sued. We're being sued. You gave these guys a free pass. We're basically the same type of stuff. We're digital networks and like, what is different from what they did and you walked on stage and told the world that they're not, that you're not going to apply the securities law to them, but you sue us for an unregistered securities offering?" Right. Right.

And the SEC is like not wanting to give the information. It took seven, I think, court orders in the Ripple lawsuit to finally start getting some of this stuff. Uh, they finally got, they did a deposition with Hinman. And then when they start disclosing these emails and different things, they're like 90% redacted. Just pages blacked out. They're like not giving, or they're just deleted. Uh, Empower Oversight ended up getting a series of the emails that were kind of, uh, that Hinman had circulated the speech internally, kind of in early, would have been late May, early June. I think he gave the speech June 14th of 2018. So there was a whole, I mean, lawyers looking at it, writing it, and all that kind of stuff. You can't go back to the judge and say they redacted this. We need to be able to see what's what's like, unless, well, this is a different matter. So the, this is coming out because of the FOIA request that the oversight group, that's not, it's not coming out necessarily in the lawsuit. Okay. You can still go, you can, they were just refusing. No, they were just refusing the court orders. They were just weren't complying. But they're court orders. I, a judge ordered that. I can go back to the judge and say they gave it to us a big black box. They did seven times. And would the judge say, like, red, or the judge would order them to do it again, and then they do it again? They just, No. No. No. In the lawsuit, they didn't even comply with the order for like seven different orders. That's what I'm telling you. There was like a massive, massive coordinated effort to delay that information coming out.

So, what starts, you know, in '21, I don't think we end up getting that stuff until like the spring of, spring, early summer of '23. And we almost had, I mean, the summary judgment order in the case came out in July of '23. Yeah, that's possible. Like, I don't see how, how you don't go to, how a judge doesn't say, you're going to do this, or people are going to start issuing arrest warrants. Like, you can't, you can't. Oh, the judge was telling them that they all saying all kinds of stuff in the orders, like you were showing a, you're not having a faithful allegiance to the law, basically. I mean, the judge was very, you know, um, um, you just can't ignore a judge. They did a federal judge. No, they can. And you know why they can? Because they're a federal agency, and there's this whole separation of powers, and they were absolutely ignoring a federal judge. I mean, I thought you said that they came forward and they said, well, national security, because, you know, that's the catchall. Yeah. It's even when you're like, how was this? You know, they can't, or we can't explain it. Yeah.

So, anyway, I just, still to this day, there's a ton of that information that's been disclosed that's still substantially redacted. We don't know everything. Um, and, and so the case, the Ripple case is pretty much over. This thing that we call ETHGate, the free pass, and then the suing Ripple, all that is known as ETHGate now, is really just bubbling up. And that's really the subject matter of the movie Rigged from the Start. And so, probably, what the price of Ethereum skyrocketed, and then Ripple, price of Ethereum after the speech went up 11% like in two minutes, and then after Ethereum, yeah, and then Ripple just, Ripple crashed, and Ripple has been suppressed. Well, and what all, all the major exchanges, Coinbase, Kraken, and on and on and on, delisted XRP. Oh, wow. So, it wasn't even available for trading for a year and a half. Yeah. Well, no, it was until one exchange kept Uphold, which is based out of the UK, actually maintained trading in XRP. Yeah. They said they interviewed the, what the president or CEO of that, Simon. Yeah. Like it was. And when did they delist? When did they delist Ripple? It was in January of '21. Okay. Yeah. So, the lawsuit was filed late December, like right before Christmas. Mhm. And I want to say it was like January 19th that Coinbase took XRP off the exchange.

What has happened in the last month that made it go up 300%? Because right now it's at what, like $2 and something. And it was, you know, I can speculate. I don't know for sure. So, um, you know, there's a few things that have happened, call it, over the past year. Uh, so in July of '23, I think it was July 13th, the judge in the Ripple case came out with her order on summary judgment, and basically determined that after all this time and all this money, Ripple spent, I think $150 million in legal fees battling this lawsuit against the SEC, that XRP in and of itself is not a security. Okay. So, the SEC devastated a company. Devastated a market. Okay. Devastated. Yes. Devastated a company, but not really, because Ripple continued to be very successful overseas. They just really couldn't operate full tilt in the United States during this time.

Now, are they on? So when that ruling came out, I want to say, I mean, it shot up, shot up a lot, and then traded back down since the summer of '23. And so, um, now, now you've actually gotten to, so in the order, there were three buckets of transactions that the SEC had put forth saying were securities transactions. One bucket was the sale by Ripple to institutions pursuant to a contract. Okay, where they sold XRP to institutions. The second bucket was called programmatic sales. These were sales that they would just kind of put out based on an algorithm into the market, and, you know, different people were buying and selling it. They didn't know who was buying and selling it. Programmatic sales. The third was they compensated certain contractors and employees in XRP. Uh, the judge ruled that the programmatic sales and the, and the payments to employees and contractors were not securities transactions. They ruled, she ruled the institutional sales were securities transactions because there was a contract, and that the institutions were sophisticated and the type of people who would have expected Ripple to go out and do things to increase the value of the XRP that they were acquiring in that contract. So, so that's why it wasn't like over, over in July of 2023. Then we had to go through a whole penalties phase. The SEC initially came out and asked for $2 billion in penalties from Ripple. Ripple argued for less than $10 million, right? The judge, I think, ended up ordering it's somewhere like $120 million that Ripple had to pay based on that one thing.

Also, it's noteworthy that the initial lawsuit not only sued Ripple, but they sued the chairman, guy named Chris Larsen, and the CEO, a guy named Brad Garlinghouse. No fraud allegations, by the way. They were basically just trying to put pressure on them to capitulate early by suing them, you know, personally. Yeah. Um, after the court order in July of 2023, within a couple of months, the SEC agreed to dismiss the lawsuits against the individuals. Um, so the case is kind of over, except the SEC has appealed the ruling, and because the SEC appealed, Ripple appealed. So, we're still, even after all this time, and it's almost been four years, right? Well, it's been, yeah. And December will have been four years if we, Well, it is December. December. Yeah. So, if we get to the 22nd, it'll be four full years this [ __ ] show's been going on. Um, but effectively what is happening is we're coming to a conclusion of the case. You're having institutions clearly see where the digital markets are going, and that XRP is going to play a major role in this new system that we kind of started the show talking about. Um, so they're starting to try to acquire as much of that XRP as possible because it's going to be, you know, we believe it's going to be the primary layer-one blockchain for all.

Digital assets. Um, uh, Ripple announced that they're launching their stable coin, the the real, the RLUSD, um, which is going to be able to be interoperable, uh, cross-chain, so it can go on the Ethereum chain, go on Tron. Cardano has been, which is kind of a one of the players that that's that's up there, uh, has been talking about having, uh, the RLUSD be available on Cardano. Uh, you're going to see other currencies, fiat currencies be put on the XRPL tokenized, and this will be the R RL British pound and the RL euro and all that kind of stuff will be put on the XRPL as well. So all that's really starting to happen.

You also, um, um, Larry Fink, BlackRock, um, came out in January or February of this year, basically saying on mainstream financial media that, uh, so Bloomberg and CNBC and all these places, that they're going to be tokenizing every financial asset. And, um, you know, from from a asset manager, this is like nirvana, right? Because they make their money on trading these assets. They're already using AI to to do it. But this would, if once we're fully digital in the securities world, they'll be able to trade 24 hours, 7 days a week. There'll be no holiday, no bank holidays or anything like that. So just the number of trading hours alone when we're in a tokenized market is going to 5x the number of available hours to trade. Okay, think about that. That's that's an exponential increase in trading hours. And then because it moves so fast in this 3 to 5 second settlement thing, um, we're going to have instantaneous settlement of transactions. So each hour is going to be exponentially more efficient internally.

Um, so you, you, what is causing the uh, the the increase in price of XRP is, uh, people realize that they're going to have to have XRP to be able to, you know, participate at a big kid level, at an enterprise level, and they're starting to to buy it up. And that is, uh, that's working against, you know, the suppression that's basically been in the market from the delisting and the, um, you know, the the SEC lawsuit. Very calculated what they did. You know, it was pretty much just they, they knew they ultimately wouldn't succeed on like keeping it completely out of the market. They just needed to delay it about four years and let some of the legacy institutions kind of get get situated and caught up because this technology just kind of flew right by them. And you had a lot of retail people kind of buying the stuff up. Uh, which was kind of the first time in history that's ever, there's been a new, a completely new asset class that you, me, and, you know, the the common man could go out and get, get a hold of. So that's what's happening. We think that's, um, we're, we're just in the very early innings of seeing the appreciation and the value of of XRP and the value that's going to come onto the the ledger.

Um, the projects that Valhill, that's my firm, that we've been involved in for basically this whole time that the lawsuit's been going on is to tokenize various assets, real estate, commodities, um, and and and bring them to the the XRPL. Um, and, you know, that's been tough. The development talent was pretty much all with, uh, Ethereum projects. Uh, but it's, it's, it's getting better. And, um, there, there's, uh, Ripple just announced a deal with, um, I can't remember the company's name, but they have like, they have like a million developers or something like that that are now starting to develop projects solely for the XRPL. So that's going to, that's going to explode. That that could be driving some of the value into the network. Um, but this is a real utility network. And what I mean by that is that, uh, speculation can't really drive the value of it that much. This will segue us into to meme coins and the Hakua Hakua girl. I know you want to talk about that, right? Uh, but, but, um, the the whole memecoin thing has just been one big speculative like like thing, right? It's, it's baseball cards. It's, uh, Pokemon, you know, it's, it's that type of a thing. Beanie Babies. Yeah. They don't have seem to have any. Well, I don't. There is no. I was going to say Beanie Babies, and you know, at least you, you have something that has some some value in it. And we had a wave, um, you remember the NFT wave of '21? Yeah. It was huge. And, uh, Board Apes and all that. Most of those were printed on Ethereum, right? Published to Ethereum, like almost several times crashed the entire Ethereum network. CryptoZoo was. CryptoZoo. OpenSea. Remember OpenSea? So, if I'm trading, let's just say a digital asset or an NFT with Ripple, I'm not going to have those large transaction fees, correct? And I'm not going to have the extremely long time. It's going to be less than less to move it. It's going to be, uh, it's going to be less less than a penny to do. Okay. Yeah. Because that was. Yeah, that was a big. And there is, there's so, there's a, there's a memecoin, uh, community that's now developed on the the XRPL. It's called First Ledger, and they're coming out with all these, you know, NFT meme type things that, you know, kind of relate.

This has been such a fascinating journey, uh, for me, 'cause, you know, you got to, I was like a stiff button-down corporate lawyer five years ago, right? Right. And, like, I got into this community and start, you know, I'm coming in from a business standpoint, like, this is, this is about money and building businesses and all this stuff. And I end up finding there's all these riddles and riddlers and esoteric stuff going on and all. I mean, it was like, it's crazy. So, um, the XRP community, people were writing songs and wild, wild west, right? It was, uh, what, what impressed people writing songs? There's an artist out of Vegas. I'm friends with this guy. His name's XRP Bags. Go check him out on YouTube. He's, uh, he does these rap songs. Everything is about the. He's been doing this for years, like five years, um, on on XRP and these credible rap songs on XRP. But there were more. There was, uh, this guy XRP Chis. He, he seemed to have disappeared, but he, he had some cool XRP songs and stuff. But as, and we're talking '21, you know, '22. As I was seeing this stuff, I was like, there's something about this technology which is hitting people so deeply, uh, that they're creating things about it, you know? Um, and that, that was significant to me. Uh, this was, this was not, um, purely transactional. There was something deeper about what was going on in this movement that really, um, Oh, yeah. Appealed to people. It, it, it definitely, um, you say, I have had many people contact me and want me to do like paintings, you know, about like Dogecoin and can you do, uh, was it Shiba? Was it Shiba? Yeah. Um, yeah, I, um, I, I had a couple of engagements with, with, with artists. Can you just text that to me? Yeah, I was going to say I'll send you all of them. Yeah. One, one of the, and we've done some kick-ass stuff. Uh, one of the things that Valhill did was we underwrote the first NFT that was offered as a security. Uh, so we were like, why is everyone trying to not have the securities laws apply? Just do one and create some economic rights. Like, that's what these NFTs are really valuable for is having smart contracts, economic rights embedded in the the the token. So, um, anyway, yeah, we were talking about artists and, uh, well, I can ask one more question real quick. Is that, so the the problem with crypto to me is that it, of is the volatility. Like, I would hate the idea of, you know, of, you know, you go to the grocery store, you go to buy something, and then, you know, you're, you're, it's not, you know, you go to buy something for whatever, $10 or 10, you know, whatever, you know. Um, uh, Ethereum, I forget how, whatever the unit is, you know, units of Ethereum or whatever. An ETH. Yeah. I go to buy something and I think it's, it's, you know, it's, it's whatever. And then it's, it's completely changed. And then then the next day I could have bought it. I could have saved 50% because I mean, these things don't subtly change. They seem like they, they really, and then sometimes they really drop. Yeah. And that, that to me, when they go the other way too, right? Yeah. It's, uh, it's uber volatile. Um, and it's because, uh, so, so little amount of money in in any individual network can really hit the market cap pretty hard. Certainly when you start talking about millions and billions of dollars being invested into something at one time, it can really have big impact on on the market cap because the the supply and demand dynamics are just, that's just the way it is. Now, you basically just described that's that's the stable coin use case though, right? Is that you would, uh, peg it one to one with something, so either gold or stable or dollars, right? I mean, the the stable coin or, you know, fiat, the the, it looks like where the stable coin industry is going to develop as it matures is to peg it to a, a fiat currency. So, hasn't there been stable coins that have like crashed or like they're supposed to be at a dollar, you know, state, even a dollar, and then something happens? Yeah. Uh, there, there is, um, I want to say that, uh, some of the coins that FTX had were lost. They call that losing the peg. Yeah. Um, but the, the was a whole different. It is. We can we can talk about that because that ties into this ETGate story too, right? The OG stable coins now have pretty much, you know, they've, Tether, uh, has kept its peg for, you know, a long time. It's, it's lost it a couple of times. It'll go to, you know, 99.99 or 0.98. Uh, but then they, they do something and get it to be stable again. Um, now the problem with Tether, uh, is they keep refusing to be audited. So, you know, they, they claim that they have US treasuries and, you know, the the subord to to maintain the peg. Uh, but couple of issues, they, they won't do the audit, and the other thing is that, um, you know, their their bank is the same bank that FTX was using in the Bahamas. Deltec Bank, I think is what it's called. Yeah. Yeah. And you're, and you're saying that over the next, you know, five years, like most of the transactions will be done with the digital currency, um, with like the different, I guess, states. Yeah. So that's a whole, that gets into some other issues. So there is a, a broad movement. Um, I'd be shocked if you guys aren't generally aware of people wanting to return back to the constitutional republic. And this is like your patriot movement, your Q movement. Some people call them the truther community. We've done a, we've done a couple, uh, videos on, uh, like this was prior to the election was, you know, kind of a looking into a, a civil war, you know, which of course, you just, you know, me just having to watch all the videos about a new civil war, right? Immediately, you know, started bringing up the whole, you know, Texas, you know, breaking off or California break, you know, all these, you know, Alaska, you know. So I, I ended up getting a little educated into the possibility, you know. Mhm. The, what was it, the, uh, forget what, you know, so every state, if it was its own country, like where it would rank in the in the world, you know, as far as being the largest economy. In fact, that is what we are. We are our own country. Each state is its own country. Um, but in after the civil, the the civil war that occurred, yes. Um, we, we basically incorporated. So the federal government became a corporation, and the states ended up becoming subsidiary corporations of the federal government. So now, state of Florida, state of Texas, those are corporate manifestations to be able to be contract and and do, you know, do deals, right? Um, there, there, there are movements, and, you know, it's, it's deep stuff. It's fascinating stuff. You know, uh, a lot of this, if, if people read, uh, the book, The Creature from Jekyll Island. You know, who's read, who's read that over like, I'll bet you he's read it 40 times. Is, um, Chris Marro. I was going to say, he's a guy who's a sovereign citizen. Yep. Sovereign. Yeah. This is your sovereign citizen type movement. So, sovereign citizen, they'll fuss at you for that, because citizen, if you go back to the epidemiology of what the word citizen means, it's like employee. So, when we say US citizen, you're actually saying employee of this corporation, right? And so the sovereign movement would say is that all the statutes and ordinance and regulations and stuff only apply to the citizens, to the people who are employees of the corporation. They don't apply actually to you, like the living person walking around, breathing, you know, bleeding, right? Uh, they, they don't apply to us. We're, we're sovereign to the, the forms of government. Like, if you go back to the, the founding documents of the United States of America, what I'm talking about, Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, uh, and the Constitution, those are kind of the three key governing documents. Those were implemented by the people and restricting government from what they could do to the people. Right. Right. I mean, we had just fought a revolution. Yeah. To to basically do that. Fought a revolution not to pay taxes, right? And here we are, taxed, tax out of our our brains. Right. What is it? Uh, the Boston Tea Party over having to pay like a 2% tax, and now we're paying like 35% or whatever that. And that's that's just if you're thinking, we don't even want to think about it. I mean, like, if you, if you, every sales tax, if you start adding it up, it's like 50, 60% of of everything that you get, you know, I've already been taxed on this money. Well, now I'm going to buy this, and they're going to tax me on that, and then I'm going to buy this, and they're going to tax me on that, and tax, you know, it just goes, it just never stops. It's never ending. So, and a house that I'm being taxed on, right? And the house you're being taxed on for the, you thought you owned that you thought you owned. But try, try paying, try not paying your tax, not paying your tax. Stay here. That's right. That's right. But that is, um, I mean, this, this is cool stuff. But there is a, there's a big, big movement that, that sovereign movement, uh, which is manifesting as Q and truthers and all that. It is a large movement now. Um, you want to say probably had a big part of getting Trump reelected. And there is a belief that Trump is going to bring back the republic of of the, you know, the federal republic, if you will, and that all the states will then have more power, basically go back to being countries. So that is, uh, that's what's leading. I think we talked about this at the first, but like Texas, I'm, I'm pretty sure Florida, they already have passed legislation to have gold-backed money. Okay. And that's permitted under the constitution. I think it's article section 10, article. [Music] You have to, you have to check me on this, Colby. Um, I was going to say, every sovereign citizen I've ever met, um, has been in prison or is headed there. You know, like, I, you, I love talking to them, but because boy, they are knowledgeable. They, they managed to tweak it in just to such a way that you're like, I'm not positive that's what it means, and that may be what it means, but that's not. Back to the sovereign citizen, I kind of went off on this rabbit hole of what it say. So that's an oxymoron, right? Right. If you're sovereign, you're not a citizen, right? Well, it's. Did you find the, um, yeah. So, it says, let's see. I mean, I just typed in, I literally just typed in gold back money constitution. It says Article or Section 10, C1.2. Yep. Coining money by states. Yep. You know, that's it. So, uh, the constitution permits states to have their own money, but it has to be denominated in gold or silver. I had no idea. I never. So, uh, so the states are, they're, they're basically, I mean, so, what do you think? What is a civil war anyway, right? I mean, how would it occur in 2024? Or listen, we got a whole. We got a whole. And, you know, so here's what's funny about this. This is what's really interesting, and this, this is also probably plays into, I'm sure, your whole thing is that we did, uh, uh, Rick Rule. Rule. That's a difficult name. He's actually from, he's actually lives in Texas, though, doesn't he? Does he? I think so. Super smart guy. He's. He's clearly on the spectrum. Mhm. Very smart guy, right? Um, brilliant, really. And I had watched a video on a video he done 10 years ago when he was in high school and started his channel about what would a a civil war look like in the United States. Now, of course, 10 years later with Trump and everything else, um, what would it look like? You know, so he had redid the whole red. I think he just republished it, changed a few things, republished it. Anyway, it was big again. Comes on here. We had a very, very tame, respectful conversation. Didn't go crazy. We're not saying anything that's overtly political. We're staying kind of neutral and everything. And, and he, he told us exactly what was going to happen. He said, "Look," he said, "Here's what's going to happen." He said, "You, we're going to get 100,000 or so views." He said, "It, YouTube's going to demonetize the video." And we were like, "Why would that happen?" Like, we had, we didn't say, we're not cussing. We're not talking about drugs. We're not talking about, we're not rap. We're not talking about sex. We're not talking about anything that should be demonetized that they could even allude to it. We're not even being extremely political. And everything we were talking about was he's like, well, you know, this book is what, you know, is where I got this in the 1800s when this happened. This happened. Yeah. Historic events. So he's like, you know, that, you know, this argument is rooted in these different things that happened in history, and so that's possible that it would happen again. And I was more of a nuts and bolts guy where I was saying like, you know, he's thinking more, um, philosophically, and I'm saying, listen, every state has a National Guard. You know, we've got whatever, something like 19,000. Texas has 26. So, I'm not, I think Texas has like 22,000 in there. You know, you got California, you got, you got, of course, the military, overall military. So, I'm saying, how would they, if each state had its own, the National Guard went with that state, you know, like I'm breaking it apart. He's like, "Yeah, I didn't even thought about that." You're talking thinking about like, "What would a, a real battle be?" Like, of course, the movie, uh, Civil War had just come out. I don't know if you saw that. Super interesting. I want to see that. It was a A24, uh, is the production company. Okay. So, you could tell, I think they had a budget of like $40 million. I, I can tell you right now, they spent 30 million of it in the last 15 minutes. That's the best part. The first part is they're just driving around. Um, more of a drama. Oh, so it's a civil war that occurs in today. Okay, gotcha. Yeah. Anyway, we, we have this whole thing, and he was right, like, what did we get to when it suddenly got demonetized? His videos will get to like 200,000 and then get demonetized, and it kind of flattens out. And that's almost identical to what our video did, 'cause he said that's what happens with all of his videos. I hope talking about this isn't going to. It shouldn't, 'cause we've mentioned it before, and we're pretty far in the in, we're pretty, we're pretty far gone. I, I want you to send me his. You still have it, right? Of course. Send that, send that to me. It's so good. And what's, you know, what's even better about his, it's better because it's, it's upsetting to me because, you know, I'm not somebody who wants to hear what I, what I want to hear. Yeah. You know, like, you know, was like, I only want to get information that helps support my delusion or my belief of what would happen. He has a whole video on had the South won the Civil War. This is, you know, um, the, the original Civil War. What, what would have happened to the South? How would have it progressed? And it's not good, bro. Like, it's like I'm sitting there, and he explains why. He's like, "You don't understand. We didn't industrialize. We weren't industrialized. We were relying on slaves. The, the North had, and during the Civil War, the North, uh, industrialized even more during that period of time." So they were. So is that a way to say that humanity or society benefits from technological progress? Oh, yeah, of course. Absolutely. So if we are technologically progressing in our monetary system, won't that be good for humanity when it all plays out? Um, yeah, I mean, I would, as long as it's done in a way that, uh, doesn't oppress, right? Right. Uh, it doesn't, uh, do this type of stuff like we were, like the fears of, you know, going digital that you expressed earlier. I think, um, it could be a really good thing. Imagine, imagine if it could be a good thing. You know what I'm saying? Technology is neutral, right? It's how are we going to use it? Uh, are we going to use it for good things? We're going to use it for for bad things. AI is the same. So, we're dealing with the same issues. What would you say because I feel like most people on their stance on kind of crypto, uh, currencies, it's either they're passionate or they're, it's pretty polarizing. Like they're passionate one way or the other. Like what would you say like the people that are like, I'm not touching that thing with a 10-foot pole, like all the things, all the scandals, the things that have gone on over the last few years with it. Will they have a choice? Like, will there not be a choice in five to 10 years where like they're going to have to be using some type of crypto or there's no alternative? They'll give. I think or will it even be like, I don't think they're going to notice. I, I think, um, the people who are so just like, you know, I am never going to get into that, um, you know, they won't notice. It'll be such a subtle, it's a boiling the frog type of scenario that, you know, they'll be using their Visa card. Visa will end up running on digital, and they just, they'll never know, right? Um, and so, there, unfortunately, I think there's going to, if, certainly if they're entrepreneurs, um, if, if they don't adopt into this technology, they're going to get beat out by entrepreneurs that do adopt the technology. And that's just even from a P&L standpoint of being able to receive your money, pay pay your vendors or whatever quicker, more efficiently, um, that's just gonna happen. And is it to the point now where that is, it's more efficient? Like with Ripple, it's more efficient than just using it? It, it is. It's substantially more efficient. Had we not, if, if I mean, we were already, we, we started a or invested in a media brand in '21 called Astralite, and we had a, uh, a crypto influencer named James Rule, who's out of Texas, who's an XRP guy, um, and we were paying him in, in, in XRP. And we were basically funding, you know, as many. The issue at that time, which is becoming less of an issue now, uh, and continue to become less and less, is that you, not every vendor would take a cryptocurrency or a digital asset. So, um, but now, you know, gosh, I think Chase Bank is now taking, uh, XRP for mortgage payments and credit card payments and all that stuff. There's, uh, uh, Travala, which is one of the big travel apps. They're taking, you know, XRP for all kinds of different, you know, uh, travel, travel things. So, it'll just end up being another thing, um, on the various abilities to pay. You know, you'll be able to pull some out of your your digital wallet and pay, or you can put it on your credit card or whatever. Um, so, I think we're, we're kind of, uh, we're at that point in time. We've been traveling on two trains. You got the people who are never going to do it, right? [ __ ] that. I'm screw that. I'm never going to do it. And you got people who are like, I'm leaning in. I'm gonna like learn this stuff. And then, and we've been kind of able to look at each other in the other train, and we've started this process now. And, um, the, the people on the train that, that I'm jumping on, we're kind of going to the future. And the people who aren't, you're going to, you're going to live over enough period of time, which is, I don't know, 20, 30 years, uh, we will, we will live dramatically different lives. You, you know, the people who, uh, stuck with wanting cash and to live in the in the physical world are going to live a more 3D, you know, manual life. And the people who, uh, go digital and they incorporate AI and digital currencies and digital securities are going to be completely liquid, able to be anywhere in the world doing anything they want to do, and maybe even outside of this world, right? So, if Elon continues to. I was just thinking, I was like, if Jess was here right now, my wife, she would be pacing back and forth, go upstairs, walk, come back down. She'd be so irritated right now at the idea of, you know, a cashless society and, you know, and just, you know, so she's such a distrust of the government. Um, and, Well, I'm with her. I mean, I'm with her. Yeah. Well, and it's funny because when you were talking earlier, I was going to bring up Bozac and I thought, I don't know how I can, how can I enter Bozac's whole thing, which is funny because you would think as much of I have a buddy named John Bozac. He's in Thailand right now. He's, he moved to Thailand. Oh, two weeks ago. Two weeks. No, not even two weeks. A week and a half. Yeah, week and a half. Yeah. Wow. Um, and, uh, uh, but it's funny because every time we would, you would think he was so, he's so like anti-establishment, but yet he loves technology. So when you talk about things like, um, uh, you know, the Tesla bot, right? Or robots in general. Yeah. And I'm, you know, of course, I'm like, yeah, they're going to release them, and it's going to take 10 years to work out the bugs, and then eventually they will be amazing. It will be iRobot, you know. And for him, he's like, yeah, they'll do all the jobs. He'll do all this, and then we'll have a universal income and we won't have to work. And I'm like, that's not going to happen. Like, that's not possible. You don't understand how the economy works. You can't just keep having babies and have robots do everything and you get paid this much money. You have to contribute. And he's, you know, [ __ ] that. That's bull. And I'm just, you want to believe they're going to give you $100,000 a year to just run with it and the robots will do it. But, you know, it, it doesn't, it's not going to work like that. So, but I was wondering, you know, as we were talking, I was thinking to myself, like, what happens when this is great, but what happens when you can buy a robot for $25,000 to to do everything? Or or even now with with Tesla, I think it's this year, you buy a Tesla, you can put it on an app, and while you're at work, it's driving around. It's doing Uber, basically. It's a Tesla version of Uber, picking up people, dropping them off, charging them, and so it's making its own payment. Like, what happens when I can finance a robot for $25,000 and it can do it can get a job making doing $40 or $50,000? You know, like some people are going to be like, "That's amazing. Oh my God, I bought six of them and I, this, and I'm getting this much money." Yeah, but what about the people that have bad credit, can't finance them, can't get them, they get even more poor, you know? It's like suddenly that which is already happening. Obviously, the middle class is shrinking and shrinking, shrinking, but that would be such a major shrinkage. What do you think about that? Because I'm sure you have a lot more understanding than I do. If you at least had probably had more time to think about it. Yeah. Well, I, you know, I think to do what we're doing here today, 20 years ago, you would had to be CBS and so here's, uh, um, you're your own network, right? With your own, uh, media distribution, uh, your own branding, all this stuff. Um, I think you probably, if you were to compare, I don't know how old you are, but, you know, 25-year-old Matthew to. Okay, you're 55, so I'm, I'm 50. So we're like, say, man, I'm 54. Um, it's over. It's not over. It's just beginning. I'm positive. Don't even get me started on the med beds and all the stuff that we got the the brass on the Titanic right now. It feels that way sometimes. I can tell you how many pills I'm taking. I counted out my whole week's pills today. I was like, "This is getting insane." Um, sorry. Sorry. My, my wife will come up to me and she'll be like, "Hey, what's going on?" and give me a kiss and hug me and hug me a little bit too long. And I'm like, "Do I need to go take a pill? Like, what's this?" It's like, "No, you're good. You're good." She said, "My stomach." I'm like, "Let me know. I need 25 minutes. That's all." Okay. Go ahead. Well, I mean, I, I, I get a kick out of technology and technological development and, you know, it's worked, uh, hadn't always been great. Like the first thing, you know, I was part of that group of lawyers that we came out of law school. My first day at the law firm, they handed me a Blackberry, and I was thinking, "Oh, this is really cool. I don't have to be at my desk to get an email and do." Right. I didn't realize that they basically just captured my entire, like, Yeah. That meant I was available. Yeah. They just added 10 more hours onto your week work week. They did. Um, and that was the Blackberry. I mean, don't even talk about these supercomputers that we're walking around with now, right? Uh, they can stream video and. Oh, what was that one thing we did? You're able to pull that up. Just the the amount of like content and stuff avail. It's been amazing though. You think it's amazing? I do. I think imagine me walking out of prison five years ago. I'd never seen an iPhone. I'd never been on YouTube. Yeah. I'm. You're drinking from a fire hose for sure. It's insane. I mean, and, and people are. And it's funny because I was in, and I think I, I feel like I, it took me a little bit of time because initially I resisted for maybe six months, but I had to make myself, you know, um, force myself to sit down and I listen, I was watching five or six YouTube videos a day to do anything. But very quickly, I realized that I could watch YouTube. I was lucky. I have, I have a tutor in my pocket to tell me how to use the phone that's telling me how to use. It's that I can't use. It's telling me how to use itself. Like, I'm, and I'm looking at multiple videos. Anyway, what's so funny about that is that, um, I, I would still sit there with people like Colby and, and, you know, other people that are guys that are sitting here that have had this technology the entire time, and they're, they're having five-minute conversations about, well, was that, so and so, was that in the movie this, and they're going back, and I'm like, you have the most powerful device ever created. You just spent five minutes discussing something that, what's the name of the movie? You know, the cast of such and such. I'll be like, "Okay, is it this guy? This guy. Oh, yeah, that's the guy. Okay, you spent five minutes." Yeah. It's, I mean, so I've taken to it pretty quickly. Yeah. Um, but it, it's only getting, it's only getting more and more amazing every single day. I agree. Okay. But also more and more scary. My wife and I have a discussion about something, you know, cookers or some kind of pressure cooker or something, and she's like, "We got to get a pressure cooker." Yeah. And you know, and sure enough, five minutes later, you pick up your phone and you go to look up something. Man, I've never talked about pressure cookers in my life. I've never looked one up. And there's four ads for pressure cookers. All you bastards. You, I mean, we'll go have, we'll have a conversation. Sometimes I feel like saying like, "Let's walk in the other room." Mhm. That those two snitches and those, those they're listening to us. What are we talking about here? Yeah. You want to buy a bow and arrow? Are we allowed to buy bow and arrows? Yeah, the the privacy issue, um, and the, the, the, the release of our privacy as technology advances are like, I mean, you know, the phones are taking rapid pictures of you all the time, and, and they're absolutely listening and stuff. They're saying it's just, you know, just to get the get you what you want, right? We're just do, it's just people helping people. Just trying to help you. I had a guy come give me a quote to paint my house like two years ago. And, uh, manual labor guy. That's what he does for a living. And he's, at first, I thought he was just trying to build rapport with me, standing on my porch. He's like, telling me about his family or something. Okay. And then he's like, "I got a Ring camera on my door." So look, he's the Ring camera. Like, "Well, come here. Come here, bro." And he walked away from the Ring camera, walked around in my carport. And then he started telling me about all his issues with his wife, but he didn't want to tell me in front of the Ring camera. And five minutes later, this guy's crying in my carport. And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm definitely not going to, I'm not signing." He didn't want to see himself on Twitter, you know, like, man confesses, you know, about poor relationship with his wife, right? Yeah. Go with him. Well, look, it, I, life, humanity, you know, it just propels itself forward, right? And we're going to continue to tinker and develop tools. We've been doing this since we've been on this planet, uh, with the wheel and fire, and, and ultimately we went digital. But now we're, you know, we're going to that next stage of digital. I think of, uh, a lot of times I think about space travel is not like out there. I think about it as into the computer, right? And with virtual reality and all that kind of stuff. You guys seen Ready Player One, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, being able to come up with these avatars and and do different things like that. I just heard, um, I was thinking this would have been a great idea like five years ago. Um, one of my favorite bands growing up was Kiss. Like, loved Kiss. You don't even know about. Colby didn't even know what they look like. That's about it. Yeah. Detroit Rock City. Beth. Yeah. Well, so the Destroyer record I had on eight-track. I know you don't know what the hell that is. I had those, my first two records was Kiss Destroyer and John Denver that had Country Roads on it. Yeah. And I wore those freaking eight-tracks out. But anyway, um, four or five years ago, I was thinking these guys, I mean, they're they're getting up there. They're too old to tour, you know, they're bringing in the young, like Catman guy and Spaceman guy, right? Um, they need to come up with with like some avatars, like virtual reality stuff, and then they can all always be forever young. Fire. I mean, you think about what Gene's Fire could do and all that stuff. It's like digital, you know? Um, turns out they're having a freaking avatar tour. Like 2025 or 2026, they're coming out with like digital avatars of of Kiss. That's data point number one. What I did on, uh, Saturday, um, my, my family and I, my, well, my wife and youngest daughter went to Las Vegas to see the Eagles at the Sphere. Have you been to the Sphere yet? I, I have about a few couple months ago. A few months ago. Who'd you see? No, we just saw the, the, they were Planet Earth thing. Planet Earth. Yeah. What'd you think about that? Um, you know, I've been to, uh, uh, IMAX. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's, it's a much, much bigger, much more clear IMAX. I thought it was amazing. I was kind of disappointed only because I do editing. Yeah. Right. With the Final Cut Pro, so we do a lot of editing. So, when you're, if you're kind of into editing, I was disappointed with some of the edits. Some of the some of the transitions, thought you did poorly on some of the edits. But was it phenomenal? I mean, absolutely. Like, like the giraffe and the, like, you know, you can see the skin like you've never seen it before. You wanted to, you wanted to touch the giraffe, and I mean, it is, it's phenomenal. It's completely immersive, and it's, and it's, you have to look over here to. Yeah. So, we set up. You must have set kind of like at level two or level three. I'm thinking we were up in level four. So, most of it was. No, we were down. We were down kind of in the middle, like it dropped straight off. We weren't even up. If you leaned over. Yeah, it was good. So, so my wife and daughter got vertigo because of that. Like, they couldn't, they couldn't sit in there. They had to get out of there. Oh, it's definitely, you're definitely, you're definitely like, you're, you feel like you're, you know, I see how you could get sick. Hotel California, and freaking, uh, they, they did Lying Eyes, and the lyrics start freaking cascading from the top of the ceiling and stuff, and they're like, like the lines are written sideways, and they're kind of flowing around. I mean, it was mind-blowing. Super cool. Um, let me tell you, uh, what about the, uh, Amy, the robot? Isn't that what they were called? Amy? Is this like the robot girlfriend type of thing? No, the robots when you first walk into the main lobby, you saw that you can talk to. They have robots that you can go up and say, "Hi, how are you?" And, you know, um, and it's, it's a robot that it, it's got a, it's interactive. You ask it questions. It's like, "Oh, I love humans." And, you know, they may have just had that because it was that show. Uh, I don't recall seeing any robots. Oh, you know why? You went to a. They went to a concert. Yeah. This was an Eagles concert. Okay. No, this was just the regular everyday. You can pay for a ticket, go into where the lobby is, and they have all these robots that you've, I'm sure you've seen some TikTok like it's a woman that talks to you, and it's. Yeah. I've seen also some, uh, the Tesla ones being like a bartender and doing stuff like that. It's, it's kind of crazy. Yeah, the. It's funny too because these things probably were put in, I guess, whenever the Sphere came on board because they were like amazing then, but Tesla robots are are more probably more advanced than what than these things are. And they're, they're stuck, you know? They're, they're, um, I don't want to say stuck, they're locked in. They're not walking around. They're, they're talking to you, but they're obviously there's cords running down their legs. I think I've seen it. And you can kind of see their backs, their heads open, but the face is there. The face is cool because the face kind of moves and it, it talks to you. So, it's, it's cool. It's like the next evolution of like the Disney animatronic type stuff. Yeah. 10 years from now. Listen, 10 years from now, Yeah. it's going to be, it's going to be insane. Insane. But, you know, when I, it's funny, I because I watch a ton of stuff on, um, on, uh, uh, on SpaceX and going to Mars and all the the projects and, and, um, you know, Elon Musk and, and so I watch a lot of that. And I mean, uh, and, and you'll, you'll see every once in a while, I'll get some, some thing that'll come up, some TikTok or some short or something or a video, some jerk off who's like, you know, one, I always love it when they're like, Elon Musk could do so much more with that money. That, shut, let him do what he wants to do with his money. That's none of your business. You want, you want, you think he should do better? Go out and make, make trillions. Do what you want to do. Give it away to the poor. Right. Um, and, and of course, the other thing is I, which I highly believe in, is that you, if you took all the money and you divided it equally, in five years from now, it'd be back in the f, in the upper 5% of society anyway, because they know how to manage money, and you don't. Yep. I believe that too. So, so it'd be a waste. Um, but the, the other thing is, is that, you know, the robots, you can send to, you know, five or 10 years from now, you can send them to, uh, to Mars, you know, and I think what he's doing is, whether you like his politics or not, that's irrelevant. It's phenomenally, it's, it's over the top amazing what he's doing because if you gave me trillions of dollars, I'd just be a rock star. I'd have 40 Lamborghinis, and I'd be a jerk off, and I'd be living in some penthouse, and I'd be a complete [ __ ]. And this is a guy who said, "Nah, you know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking we go to Mars and set up another society for humanity in case something goes wrong, because guess what? We're due. It happens every once in a while." So like, what an amazing individual. So that's amazing to me. Um, and the other thing is what people don't realize is you think that NASA and going to the moon and it move, going to the moon and all those things that they've done are wasteful spending. Those things have moved our society forward by leaps and bounds because so much technology had to be created to get those things to happen. Things that you take for granted right now that make your life so much better than it ever could have been had those programs not been developed. So that money that was pissed away wasn't pissed away because it's the microchips in your computer and, and all of the devices that you use, and everything from rubbers and plastics and, and, um, you know, uh, contact lenses and, and, and phones and cameras and all these things had to be advanced dramatically to get those programs to to actually work. And people don't realize that. They think, "Oh, you, they spent this much money and what a waste." And well, you have no idea how much that benefited you because people are just in general, you know, the bulk of people are just selfish and stupid. They're not really thinking, you know, on what those things have done. So, I think that Elon Musk and, you know, robots and going to the to Mars is going to dramatically increase everybody's life. Um, you know, or at least their their quality of life, you know, if not yours, at least your, your, your children. But I don't think most people are probably thinking along those lines. But, um, we, we have a good, uh, friend in in the community's guy named.

Patrick Riley. He runs a company called Reaper Financial. He's a next, yeah, Patrick's like a next-level genius. Love him to pieces. He, he's got, um, he's got this next-level propulsion technology that he's working on to do space travel and stuff.

But, uh, one of the things we talk about a lot, this kind of ties more back to, you know, I'm like a, a financial guy, right? Is, uh, being able to like mine precious metals and stuff off of asteroids. Oh, yeah. That'll be the first trillionaire or bill. Yeah. First trillion would be the guy that figures out how to do that. And oh, the resources in like one asteroid is more than all the money potentially that we know of in, in, in the world. So, uh, that, I mean, I'm agreeing with you, percent, that like we, we, we don't even know the, the big quantum leaps in humanity that we can take by continuing to kind of go down this, you know, technological development road that we're, we're on.

Um, did you see, uh, I'm going to get the name wrong. It's, it's by Apple. It's called, um, what does it do? It, it's, it's, it's called, uh, For All Mankind is what it's called. It's a, it's a series and on Apple it's called, and I'm almost positive I got the, that. Yeah, For All Mankind. Nice memories from that. Where'd it go? But Apple needs to send you a check, by the way. Yeah, I. Well, I think it's, it's two, might have been three series. We're, I'm waiting for the next series to come up and you know what it is? And I used to love these comic books when I was a kid, by the way. What If? Okay. Yeah. And it's What If the Soviet Union and the United States, what if the space race hadn't been or or didn't stop? So what if instead of, we got to the point where the, the Soviets basically said, "All right, we're throwing in the towel." Yeah. What if they did go to the moon? Well, then we would have gone to Mars. And what? So it's got these things. It's like, what? And it's so funny because the technology that is so, they're in the late '80s, early '90s by the time they actually get to Mars, but the technology that you, you realize, like, what do you mean it's 1990? Mhm. But they've got cell phones and they've got like, there's, there's everything is shifted forward and they've done it and blended it with, think some things are the same and some things aren't. You know, you're, like, the clothes are okay, but, but they're using this or they're use, they're driving electric vehicles, but that, you know, there's all these things that are happening and they do, they end up, they're using, um, they do end up developing, uh, um, nuclear propulsion for, uh, the vehicles that are taking them to, uh, to Mars.

Listen, it's an, you know, Apple does amazing series. Everything they put in, they put in, they're just willing to blow a ton of money. They're, they've got to be losing their ass on that whole channel. Um, because they're dumping so much money into series. They're quite the cash cow though, so they got, they got it. Um, it's, it's, it's amazing though. And I'm waiting for the next series because the last series they got to Mars and they're kind of setting up.

Steve Jobs was one of those guys, right? Who really pushed, pushed the boundary. Yeah. Yeah. What a, what a. I, no, sorry, too. But it's so, it's so funny about him. It, it makes me think of Trump. Mhm. It's like you say, "Hey, in some ways," and we're going to lose some subscribers here, Colby. So, um, in some ways, is that his department? Yeah. He's going to be like, you know, what's, what's. We're staying away from politics. So, but I think this how this is true. In some ways, it's like this is the guy that I want leading this country because he only gives a [ __ ] about this country. Like, your country, you know, oh, Canada. Oh, well, if you do these tariffs, it's going to destroy us. That's your [ __ ] problem. I'm concerned about my citizens. I was elected by this country. And I'm sorry if things are going wrong for your country. You should probably fix that. I'm worried about how these things affect us. I was. This is who I was elected for. This is who I want the best for. I believe that. But like most CEOs, presidents of, you know, corporations and countries is that unfortunately, the really strong, powerful, good ones are narcissists. You know, they're have narcissistic personalities. They're not fluffy. They're not giving out hugs. They're jerks. They're, you know, they're, they're tough, you know, narcissistic pricks, you know. And unfortunately, that's what he's, you know, that's. So, you're right. He's not hugging people and telling them and coddling them and everything. He's a bully and he yells and screams and pushes people and tells them, "This is what you're doing. That's what you're not doing. Go [ __ ] yourself if you don't like it." I want that guy. I don't need the guy to hug me and tell you know. So, I get that. It's. And it's the same thing with like Elon Musk and it's the same thing. I think those are the people that get things done and, um, I had a, I was going somewhere with that. I was going somewhere. Yeah. I lost people. No, I think that was the statement. No, I was, it was, I was starting with that. I was going somewhere else. I'm telling you, I'm getting. We had mentioned Jobs. Yeah. Oh, I know. Steve Jobs. Thank you. Steve Jobs was the same way. He was a. Every. Listen, they couldn't. Did you ever read the, um, Isaacson book? Oh my god. 100%. You couldn't find anybody to say anything really that Steve Jobs was a sweet person and a nice individual and a good guy to work with. It was he demanded the best of everybody. He drove you into the ground. He worked you to absolute death. He didn't give a [ __ ] about your feelings. He was a horrific person to work for, but he was a visionary and he's the one that got things done. He wasn't afraid to fail just like, like, um, Elon Musk. He doesn't mind failing. So, I thought that was amazing. And then the same thing, he had the whole thing with medication. He had, he had a condition or a disease. His was it kidney failure or something? Yeah. Pancreatic cancer. Pancreatic cancer that had a, he had about an 80% chance of being being cured. If he had gone with traditional medication, right? No. No. I'm going to eat some berries and herbs. I'm going to cure it naturally. And then you end up like, what are you doing? You're amazing. That was his mindset though. That was his mindset. Yeah, you could the guy could be alive right now. Yeah, but you had to go with eating berries. Maybe he had a different perspective. Oh, I think and, and, and what, what if he was alive now? Let's do that. What if, what if he, his system or theory eating the berries would have worked, but it didn't. Traditional medicine gave him an 80% chance of survival. I'm aware it didn't. I'm not going with the shaman. I mean, because he doesn't wear shoes and they both like each other and he makes them feel good or whatever his the deal was. But yeah, just those are the kinds of things like how are you phenomenal? That's the problem with successful people is that you become phenomenally successful in one area of your life, but then again, every relationship he had was a disaster. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Because he couldn't. Yeah. Yeah. It was horrible. I mean, it's, it's, it's that's. Listen, I'm extremely narcissistic. I tell you right, I know you don't see that. You think, "Hey, what a great guy." You don't really, um, but I have always said this. I feel horrible for anybody that has a personal relationship, uh, with me. It's horrible because the whole time that person's talking, I'm just waiting for an opportunity to talk about myself. Like I'm looking for. You should have told me that before we started this out a little bit. At this point, you've realized you're like, smart guy. You're like, well, this guy. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's funny. It's, uh, growing pains just in general are just horrible. And like technology is horrible and that and, and the whole, the whole crypto thing terrifies me. Yeah.

Well, I think that might be one of your blind spots, right? You, you need to be, uh, you're, you're, you're Steve Jobs, not getting the chemo and radiation. Yeah, I should have got the radiation. I, I want to eat the berries. I want to stick with cash. What would you say to maybe, let's just say, more blue-collar, unsophisticated person that has no idea or clue about crypto? Uh, what would you suggest to them to help set themselves up for the next 20, 30 years like what should they should be, should be doing as it concerns to financial crypto and stuff like that? That's a, that's a great question. Um, it, it's not going to hurt anybody to watch some YouTube videos and just learn a little bit about what's going on. You might find that you have an interest in some things, you know, um, the, the, the Hua's of the world isn't the worst thing ever and that it is getting people, you know, more mainstream, more blue-collar interested in these digital things, um, that, maybe otherwise they wouldn't have they wouldn't have looked at or gotten into. Um, I'm not a financial advisor. Uh, so, you know, this is for entertainment purposes only and all that stuff, all that disclaimer. Uh, but, you know, we very much believe that the XRPL and XRP is going to be a very important asset in the coming financial system. Uh, and, but there's several, there's several of these tokens. So there's, there's XRP, XLM, XDC is one. Um, Cardano looks like it might be one. I think, um, if you could just buy a little sack of these assets and stick them away, make sure you keep all your, you got have these seed phrases and stuff like that to access your wallet in case something happens to it. Um, so you want to keep that. But yeah, I think you'll be, you'll be grateful you did even if you don't think about it every day like we do. Um, cuz you, you just as these things increase in value and the networks become more, uh, utilized, uh, you, you kind of have, um, you got access rights on the, you know, internet of value superhighway.

I was going to say, uh, yeah, so invest in the more stable, not the, not the. Exactly. Stick, stick with the blue-chip ones, you know. Yeah. Even, even if they, you know, experience some type of a, a downfall or whatever, they're not going to go to zero because they're, they're so pervasive in different applications or whatever that they're going to be used for something. You know, they're, they're also being run by conservative people that are business-minded. Real people. Yeah. Yeah. That aren't the Hua coin that you think. Correct. I, I love the guy that that did a video like, I invested $20,000 and now it's worth, you, it's worth like $110 or something on her her coin. Oh my god. It's like it, but then I think, well, but you didn't buy it because you thought you were holding this long term. You thought this was a get-rich scheme. That's why you put 20 grand into it. Correct. You know, and you lost. You had to know somebody was going to lose. Yeah. You know, so you weren't like, was it Warren Buffett? You know? Nope. You know, he's like, I saw an interview with him where somebody said that people are constantly saying, "Why do you like give people your secrets and tell them?" He's like, "Because people don't want to do what I'm telling them to do." He's like, "That's right. Nobody wants to get rich slowly." Right. And, and I love that phrase. And it's like, that's why you this guy invested $20,000 into a girl that's famous for going Hua and lost $20,000. He could have taken that 20,000 and put it in Ethereum or or any of these, any of these coins that you're talking about. And would he have made a bunch of money right away? No. But you wouldn't have lost 20 grand either. That's right. But in 10 years, it might be worth 30. It might be worth 60. It's not going to be worth $19 or $110. Yeah. You know, they just had the, um, there's a very famous video of a guy going to his computer monitor when Bitcoin hit $100 and I think it was in 2011. And they basically paid him when it hit, uh, $100,000, you know. So $1 would have been what? That's like 10,000x, you know, your money. So he could have taken that 20,000. I was going to say, is this the guy that bought the pizza? No, but it's a, it's a similar. Yeah, it's a similar story. It was later on. The guy who bought the pizza, I think that was like 10 bucks. He, he got the, I think he got a few pizzas, right? Bitcoin pizza guy. Um, is now worth like, you know. Oh, it's, it's billions. Yeah, that, that, because that was pizza was that was like the first real transaction, I think that anybody ever kind of did using the Bitcoin. Um, and that was a long time ago. That's like 2010, 20. Yeah, I think it's like 2010 that that happened. That's like the guy that the, the fourth investor in, um, Apple, the guy that put in like $1,000. I used to know his name. Three days later, he was like, "You know what? I just want my my thousand." Just went back. Yeah. Just went back. They're like, "Okay, it's 25% of their 20% of the company. You know, here's your thousand." Yeah.

Well, you know, that takes foresight. It takes perseverance. You know, there's all that bumpy stuff that happens. I'm kind of, you know, the, the past four or five years have been difficult, but still here. Mhm. Still, you know, still heavily invested, still, you know, the, the, the people, the network that I have and the, and the people who are involved in this, uh, in this sector. Absolutely amazing. You know, these are, these are visionary people in and of themselves. Uh, and it's, it's super fun. I mean, what, what opportunity would a guy have to like sit at the crossroads of, you know, fiat going to digital, bringing the, the capital, the entire capital markets on chain, you know, that, that could be the legacy of our, our firm. And I mean, that could be Valley, maybe synonymous to J.P. Morgan 100 years from now because that's the opportunity that we're at. But you got to do the Warren Buffett thing. You got to grind through and do it slow.

How does the, the, you keep saying the, the movie, the docu. It's a documentary, right? Yeah. How, how does the doc, how did the dot come about? Um, so the, the, it's produced by, uh, Fruition Films and it's a husband and wife team. Uh, Chris and Maya, Maya Dodge. Did they approach you guys? Yeah. So they, um, they were crypto enthusiasts. They had, um, you know, traded some, some crypto and stuff and did pretty well. Chris, uh, up until recently was also, um, an executive at Google. So, um, had a, had a real interest in digital assets and all that stuff. Uh, they had some friends that were kind of tangentially around the XRP community. Um, were like, "Oh, you guys ought to look at doing something on XRP." That's how they end up talking to, to Valhill. Um, and I think, you know, they, I don't, in fact, I, I know because I've, I've sat and talked with, with Chris quite a bit about this, but, you know, the movie they set out to make, they thought was going to be more of a generalist, like kind of stuff we were talking about the first of the show. Uh, and when they learned about this ETHGate thing, it just, they kept hearing it from all these different people, it became the story. Uh, so, you know, the, this one really peels back the layer on some of these corporate deals I was starting to get into and, and the, and the corruption, the regulatory capture, all that stuff.

If people want to like look into Valhill more, they can go to ValhillAdvisors.io. We have a thing called the Vault which you can sign up to. Got our thought leadership. So if they want to start learning some stuff, we break this down in real simple infographic type stuff. We've got several papers. In fact, I brought you a couple in your swag bag there. Is this on your website or is this? Okay. So, Valhill Advisors, V A L H I Ladvisors.io. And what? And you're, you're going that is that with the documentary? That's about what your company. That's just what my company. Yeah.

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