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Uh, do you consider, do you consider yourself a feminist?
No, I'm a Christian. I'm not a feminist.
Can, can Christians be feminist?
Only no. Here's why, because the Christian ethic requires patriarchy. It is a patriarchal religion, period. There's no if, ands, or buts about it. Everything from the union between a man and a woman is patriarchal. Everything from the church structure down is patriarchal. Women are not allowed to be pastors, not allowed to be priests, or not allowed to be clergy. It is a patriarchal structure. Like, you're not probably why our friend here fell off of it, but it is a patriarchal structure.
Is there a denomination that?
Well, that's actually not true. What you just said, there are women pastors. I've met them.
Yeah, fake. But they don't follow. That's no, that's that's the that's not only, not only is that the Protestant but a fact when it's actually not. And that's okay, that's your belief. And I might agree with that belief. But what you're saying is not factually true.
It is factually true. What I said was that if you are a female pastor, female all female clergy are phony baloney theos to like what's actually happening. It has to be, it has to be that way. We have, we can go back to the earliest church history and we can make the determination of what was determined to be clergy. In very isolated cases, women were called in to do things like baptism, and they may have become deaconesses or things like this. But it was for a very, very limited, uh, perspective from the church's perspective. And it was mostly to do with, hey, we don't want to see girls naked, that's inappropriate. So we have women do the baptism. But they weren't allowed.
What you said was not fact. You, you should have said there are women pastors, but I don't believe that. I said was that factually accurate? No, this is factually accurate too. If you're a fake Christian, if you are a female clergy in a Christian church, you're a fake Christian. That's factually accurate. That's what I said.
That's your belief. No, that's the truth. That's what factual.
Well, is there a reason why you think that women are not capable of?
Yeah, because we have 2,000 years of church history and we know what the Saints said. And we know not only what the Saints said, we know what the Apostles said. And we know not only what the Apostles said, but we can literally judge this all the way down to when heresy church started under Luther. And even Luther knew. I knew what the scientist said, but I didn't know.
Why do you know why they said that?
Yeah, why? Because the patriarchal structure, which was laid down by Jesus Christ to his Apostles to go and start the church, they were all headed by men. That was part of the gospel. That's why I'm.
Hang on, was there anything else that you had there? Any wise?
Yeah, because you just named another precedent as your reason. Why is there any reason why in the fundamental, like mentality of the man and versus a woman?
Yeah, just know that this is his own secular, like belief. What I'm asking him. He, no, I guess not more secular. Sorry, this is his own individual version of Christianity. It's not every version.
No, no, it's not every version of Christianity. The fake. Okay. If I can, if I can point out all these female pastors that I can say it's not your version, but it's not every version of Christianity. So know that there are Christian religions that have female pastors. Subscribe to that, right? And, and guess what? The messes say the others are not. And these say those aren't. And you know, the Catholics say the other ones aren't Christians. And everyone, everyone does that in Christianity. So there's a lot of protest. Just protest. Do. Let's not get into all the nuances. Individual.
Do you consider yourself a feminist?
Um, I would say no. Um, no is. Wait, no is what do you mean? Well, I do believe that, you know, women should be offered the choice, you know, human beings. But hold on, just living under.
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Why do you think they should be able to vote?
Why shouldn't I be able to vote?
Well, that's not my question. That's answering my question with a question.
No, well, that is. Should I think I should? We didn't get. So let's start over. We pay taxes. Hang on, let's start over. Should I pay taxes?
Your position is you should be able to vote. Yes. Absolutely.
Okay. Why should you be able to vote?
Because I'm an American citizen and I pay taxes.
Okay. So let's assume for a second, as you know, most people in America do not pay taxes. Do you think they should be able to vote?
Well, if you, the problem with your reason is we have a law that says you can't have taxation without representation. Yeah. So it, the law doesn't say that if you're a tax American. And that's why they debate this in DC all the time. DC residents are paying taxes and they don't have proper representation. This, first of all, this is a goalpost move. I'm not going to let you get away with it. We're going to move right back and then I'm going to address that second point after we move right back and destroy your first point. The first point, there are people, yes, I will watch. There are the, the first point are the first, the, the first point is there are people right now who pay no taxes. Right. Right. What about? Should they be able to vote? Probably not.
Okay. So you would agree that those people, they should still be able to vote?
Not arguing with you yet. So we should be able to. So then, as we look at this, then we should be able to see that you want for at least some people to not be able to vote, right?
Well, I'm saying that Americans have the right to vote. That's what it says.
Okay. So then should I'm asking you an ought, not an is. I'm not asking you what is true. I'm asking you what ought to be.
Let me ask you a question. You can ask me a question.
Have to answer my question. Tax. We missed. We missed. Why think we shouldn't be able to vote? Are we that emotional? Wait, so anyway, pay taxes. Calm down. Relax. You calm down. One, one step. One step at a time. Yeah. Telling you to calm down. It's me being emotional. So yeah, you are. You seem to be getting a little frustrated. I don't know. You seem to be kind of a dumbass. You want to answer my questions. So an from. Do you know? Do you know what an ought and an is is? Is claim is true. A should happen. Should everybody be able to vote? No. Who's everybody? Should Americans be able to vote? I don't think legal immigrants should be able to vote. Don't be pedantic. Should all Americans be able to vote? Are all Americans required to pay taxes? Yes. Yes. Yes. But do all Americans pay taxes? And guess what happens to those who aren't paying taxes? They get in trouble with the IRS. No, they don't. Most people don't pay anything into the tax system. They're not a net positive tax system. Are you talking about in? Then they don't have to. They make an income. No, if they're not making an income, they don't have to file. And therefore, there are people who make more back from the government on an earned income child credit than they pay into the government. Should those people be able to vote?
You're still not convincing me. Like women.
I'm not trying to convince you. I'm asking you a question. Should those people be able to vote? But should American citizens be able to vote? Yes. Well, then your argument that just because they pay taxes doesn't make any sense. Saying that's one of the reasons. Fin. And then I'll let you finish. I promise. Let me finish. I'll let you. Law that says. Relax. Let me finish my point. I'll let you finish your point. So if that is true, then your original argument of, hey, wait a second, uh, people who pay taxes, because they pay taxes, they should be able to vote. We've just established many Americans do not pay taxes, and you still think they ought to vote. So your first argument is moved. Now let's move to the second one. It's not M.
Go. Then explain it to me again. Explain to me why women shouldn't be able to vote. I still haven't heard you explain anything why you.
I'll get. I, I promise you, I'll answer your question. We have a, the United States that says we have to have. There's, there's no taxation without representation. Are there are women just as resp. We move past that point. I just want to know why he thinks.
Law says what law says that because you should have representation. Okay. That means everybody should be able to vote. If you cannot vote, you do not have representation. They're arguing a legal matter. In most people in American history, and they're paying taxes, so therefore it's in violation of. It's not most men and women. First of all, voting rights are affirmed in the negative. You know this, right? They're affirmed in the negative. There is no right to vote because you have no right. Negative. What he's saying, they're negative rights, not positive rights, meaning you don't have to do any of these things. And they're only affirmed in the negative. States, you don't have to. States themselves used to always be the had jurisdiction over this. Now, when it came to voting itself, and when it comes to voting, even right this second, all the laws say is that if there is a vote, you can't be barred based on X, Y, and Z. Not that there even has to be.
You're actually avoiding explaining why women shouldn't be able to vote. So you tell me, why should women not be able to vote?
Before. Okay, so I'm going to answer, but I want a promise from you that we're going to go right back to this so that I, because I'm not going to let you weasel out of it. Incessant peering question without answering any. And you're asking the same question because, because I have already shown a flaw in your logic.
There's no flaw. The logic. I'll explain. I'll explain the flaw again. The flaw is, if your argument is people who pay taxes should be able to vote, we've already established there's multiple people who don't pay taxes. So why ought they be able to vote?
Your answer is the. That's not my answer.
Then what's your answer?
I said that Americans are supposed to be able to vote. They're supposed to have representation. There are tax laws. Right. Are there women that pay taxes? We're talking about an A. We're talking about an A. Not. Are there women that pay taxes? Yes, of course. So they should. You're saying they should not be able to. My argument is not that taxpayers should be able to vote. That's your argument. Okay. I'm saying women should be able to vote.
I know. And I'm asking you why. Other than tax. I'm saying women have a right to vote because we're American citizens, we're tax is property owners, we have a stake in the interests of the country.
Should only property representation? So should only property vote or property owners be able to vote?
Um, everyone should be able to vote. What if we say that it's a human right to be able to vote?
Then why can't. Stop arguing with her and just tell us. I'm going. I'm going to finish my argument over here. So anyway, we have to distinguish an ought and an is. You are refusing to say. You're the one who initially came out and said you think women should not be allowed to vote, and you still haven't even made a sound argument.
Um, because, because you gave me your reasoning first, so I'm just going through your line of reasoning. We spoke about one thing. I have many reasons why I believe this, and you're honing it on now. I will give you my reasoning, and we can see there's any flaw in my argumentation. Men are the enforcers of rights. And because they're the enforcers of rights, they deserve to have all the privileges that comes with enforcement. Women are not the enforcement of rights, including for other women. Only men can enforce the rights of women. Therefore, only men should be able to have the stake and the claim to vote. Period.
How can only men enforce the rights?
Ah, well, I'm glad that you asked. You have rights, right? Yes, I do. Okay. What is a right? A, a right is something that basically we've defined out through, uh, a Bill of Rights or Constitution, something the government can, something the government can't do to you. It's an entitlement absent a duty. Right? Is that a right?
Well, what do you mean by absent of duty?
There's no duty with your rights. We're given. We, we have God-given inherent rights in America. Okay. Right. And that's where we enshrine our rights from. Is the rights that God gave us. So, so God gave you the right to own a gun? He gave us the right to self-defense. Did he give you a right to own a gun? He gave us the right to self-defense. I know, but that's not my question. Did he give you a right to own a gun? Or is that okay? He did. So that was not your right to own a gun is not something which can be taken away. Here's the other thing. You say only men can be enforcers of law. There are women who can actually have. They can enforce rights. They can protect rights with guns as well, because guns are equalizers. So let me explain this the best way. Let me explain this the best way I possibly can. They's in some countries. Let me explain this the best way that I possibly can. So women can also just.
You're just prattling.
It's not prattling. I thought you wanted the explanation. Do you want me to give it to you or not?
Gun's rights or women's rights?
I'll give you. I'll give you the explanation instead of your incessant prattle. So here's the actual. Here's the actual explanation. Men are the enforcers of rights. Rights don't exist. They don't exist. You can't taste them. You can't touch them. We can't see them. They're a social construction. No, men did not create the rights. God did. Okay. They, he did. What, what rights did God give you? God gave me the right to exist. He gave me free will. You have a right to exist? Yeah. Oh, really? So you couldn't just wink out of existence tomorrow? God created me. What does that have to do with a right? I have the right to free will. You have a right to literally nothing except what other people allow you to have. All of your rights can be. That's what it literally says in our constitution.
I know what it says, but that doesn't mean it's true.
Oh, so you don't believe in the con. Don't believe that rights are real.
Okay. So you don't believe in the Constitution.
I don't believe that rights. Go to a different country. I didn't say. What does that have to do with anything? Even if I said, okay, I'll go to another country. Now rights are suddenly real. That makes no sense. So why are you even talking about rights if you don't in the con? That's the core of what we're talking about. The right to vote. Last I checked, right? You don't even care about rights because you don't believe in the Constitution.
I don't believe in rights. Can I ask a question? I believe the Constitution is real. Do you think? But that doesn't mean I believe that rights are not a social construction. Our rights is social construction. How do you think the Constitution? Keep asking me questions even though I've answered all of them. Are you going to answer one of mine? Are rights of social construction? I believe in the Constitution. I believe Americans have the right. I believe that's not. Are they? Are they real or not?
Um, is what real? Rights, sir. Can or are they a social construct? No, I think our rights are God-given. See. Is God? Let me explain something to you. Days. Hold on, really quick. Really quick. Let me explain something to you. Okay. Explain. Where did the monarchs used to derive their right from? Oh, well, they, their right to rule. The monarchs were sovereigns and they believed that they had the direct lineage from King David and therefore they had been given the right of God to rule over their people. When we had. Yes, because they believed they had been given the right from God to rule over the people. When we. That right. Don't interrupt. When we had the Declaration of Independence, right? We had 7, 1776. That was a group of American founding fathers coming together and recognizing that they, in fact, were all all given God-given rights and it wasn't just the sovereign. That we were all sovereign and that we were all given God. All John Locke nonsense. Listen, it's not John. Back it off. Well, back it up. Yes, it is. The Enlightenment principles. Middle. The Enlightenment principles are what found. Okay, well, no, it didn't. But anyway, the Enlightenment principles that you're talking about right now, they still acknowledge that rights are social constructs. They have to be. And when you talk about. Get your right. Believe that ideology. Your rights can be stripped on you. Which how you know the ideology I'm talking about is true? If you can, they can't be real if they can be taken from you. You have a right to nothing. How is this not more relative? What do you mean more? Me only men can can convince people that they don't have any rights and it's all social construct. You can strip them from them. You can. They, you. If, if people know that they have God-given rights and that their rights come from God, then they can act as though they're real and then they can enforce that they are real. God did not give us a right to vote. Unfortunately, our rights are real. They're they're socially constructed. Can you? Okay, point to me. Point out a right for me. Real. Quick. So how do you call? Is there a right over there? What about over there? Is there a right down there? Is there a right? I don't see any. Where are they? Do you not believe in the authority of God? Yes, of course. God is an existing objective being. Okay. So what did God tell Israel about which thing? Okay. Did he not give him authority? Did he not give the the line of David? Did he not give his children auth? Who enforced? Who enforced the authority of Kings? Kings. Okay. So priests apparently are given rights from God. Correct. Yes. And they enforce an authority as well. Construct in your because these are objectively given from a being. The construction of your third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th, 12th amendments, all of them are social constructs. They don't exist in tangible reality. If they do, point one out. Show me. Show me your right to vote. Where is it? Absent your mind. Show it to me. The, the one for quartering. You say that with anything. Well, you can say about anything that is a social const. Talking about the spirit. So of course you're not going to be able to have something physical when we're talking about spiritual. That blond is making a really good argument as to why women shouldn't [ __ ] but anyway, back to this. Can I ask a back? Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Let us finish the argument. We're almost done. We have no. You guys want a guys like him. Absent the mind. Consti. Rights aren't a social construct. Can you point to one outside your mind? The. Can you point to a right outside your mind? Phally define the spirit. You're. That's another question. Physically define conscious. Stop asking the question. Answer it. No, because no, because you can't. You can't answer it because you're not theile. Where is a right absent your brain? Where is it? Define the consciousness. Why? Why can women not vote? No, I want to know that. No, the funny thing here is this is what's debated. When, when people, when scientists are talking about AI, they're debating consciousness. And there are so many philosophers and people that debate consciousness all the time. So you're asking me to define the spiritual and and consciousness and put it into a physical state, which, you know, is impossible. So you're, you're going with a false argum. Consciousness or rights to try to prove a point that you're not even touching. Consciousness or rights. Being conscious means that you have rights. Your spirit and your soul. Do people in Somalia who are conscious have rights? Where are rights absent your brain? Vote. Why can't? Where is your right to vote absent your mind? Where is your AR? Stop asking me a question and answer one. Where is your argument absent? I'll tell you what. I'll answer any [ __ ] question you want after you answer this one. Where is your argument outside of your subconscious? Okay. All of my arguments are based in the epistemological. The epistemology and the ontology that I have comes directly from God and divine command. This answers. Yes. And your. And I said, I said I believe my rights are God-given. So why are. That's what we're talking about now. I just answered your question. Now answer mine. Where is this right to vote absent your brain? Where's your argument? Won't answer it. No matter what. Wait, can you answer his question though? Just. No, she can't. She knows. She already knows it's a fail. Where is your right to vote absent your brain? I've been saying this whole time. My rights are God-given. Your right to vote comes from God. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. My right. My. Andre got toes by franchises do in bankrupt corporations. Your substantial rights are what you should focus on. Yeah, go have a smoke. You can't define consciousness in a physical state.