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I think what they're looking for is to impede our abilities to get out of this. Get out of here.
Now, I don't know how dark you guys want to go here. People who have been mutilated like cattle is weaponized. Whitley Streberer is a good friend of ours here at Weaponized. Uh, he's his books have been enjoyed by millions of people around the world and uh, you know, starting with Communion and then Transformation. Whitney, I really do think, and Jeremy agrees with me, you not only entertained people but you sort of liberated millions of people around the world to whom people who've had similar experiences to yours but who felt so guilty and crazy to ever acknowledge or admit it to anyone. You let them come out of the closet in a sense. Many of them are still in it, I guess. But you made it feel okay that maybe they're not crazy after all. And I, I don't think uh, I don't think you get enough credit for that.
Well, it it gave the ones, it gave everybody who came into contact with that book permission to think about this in a new way. And some of them, a lot of them, most of them didn't come out of the closet. And that's fine. That, I mean, why should they? In fact, there's a lot of reasons why they shouldn't, even now. So that was that was amazing to me when I put the book out. I thought it would be sort of a one-off. I was a fiction writer and Ann and I thought, Ann said to me after I told her about it, which was a long time, 'cause I initially thought, assumed I was insane or had a brain tumor or something. I mean, this was not on my the top of my list as even a a possibility. I was way past my childhood fascination with flying saucers and stuff, spacemen is what we call them. Although uh, in that book now, sort of forgotten, called Report on Communion, the um, who a guy, this author, uh, went around basically interviewing everybody I talked about in the book and everybody he could find who knew me in those days in San Antonio. And they, I used to, my neighbors to said to him that I would tell them that I was being taken by spacemen as a child. And of course, everyone thought it was just some childish prank, some childish nonsense and ignored it. But I think it actually happened now. And that's the whole theme there that this is what drew people into this story and made it, and the story became part of their lives. It opened up a a story that had been hidden inside them all of their lives and it changed all of these people and it changed the world and it pissed off a lot of people who do not want that to happen.
It's kind of a chicken and egg question. You wonder if you've had this as a lifetime of experiences. Did they pick you because of some quality they perceived, a communicator that you became later, or did they pick you and then they helped alter your life so you would become that person and share that story? What do you think?
Well, you know, George, I love you because you you ask really interesting questions. That's a That is a question that I have chewed on for years and you're the first person to ever just put it into a few words like that on a show. Thank you. All right. Now, um, I'm I promise you I'm going to answer this in less than four hours and 20 minutes. Anyway, uh, the the uh, I think it started probably with my uncle Mickey who was at Wright Field in at Air Material. He may not may or may not have been attached to it, but he was certainly involved when the Roswell material was brought to Wright Field. And they have a tendency to go down family lines. And I think they probably went down my family line and came to me in 1947. And what then happened was this. In 1952, the summer of 1952, I was visited, my family with parents were visited by some representatives of the US Air Force. And they were told, I was not there and I did not get any direct information about this and my mother and daddy never mentioned it, that there was a special program for highly intelligent children and that I was, they wanted me to be in it because of my IQ tests are ridiculous and uh, I don't know to go go into it but uh, because it it sets people off for various reasons and it doesn't interest me much anyway. I'm interested in my life, not in looking at it that way. Anyway, um, so I was brought into this program in July of 1952 and it turned out not to be an enhanced learning program. What it was was a program that was going to crack the cosmic egg by putting the child under incredible pressure. And what happened was that the ne by October I was going to this every Thursday night as I recall and by October my immune system collapsed and I was dying literally dying from stress and they pulled me out of the program and where do I end up? A little seven-year-old boy ends up not at his pediatrician's office, but at Brook General Hospital with a bunch of soldiers and doctors in isolation being pumped full of gamaglobulin, which is the only thing they could do in there in hopes my immune system would come back. And they, you know, they were so they didn't have any idea how to handle a little child. These were these were military doctors during the Korean War and you know, they weren't handling little kids. So they would sometimes this I remember the needles as being like 15 feet long but I think they weren't quite that long. But I was little and they would sometimes the needle would go through my arm and the chemical would would go down my dripping down my chest. So it was pretty hard for me. Pretty hard.
Now, why am I certain of this? Because this was buried in my mind. And it wasn't buried by some esoteric hypnosis process or anything. It was buried by the fact that my no one ever talked about it. No one ever talked about it. Uh, the only evidence I have that my parents were even concerned about it was after my mama died, she had a box of memorabilia. In it was my second grade report card from school with all of those months absent due to illness. Absent due to illness. And she had kept that all of those years because it reminded her of what I think she viewed as a grave mistake she and my dad had made. My closest friend in the world to this day was in was his parents were approached as well and he is a very, very highly respected man in his profession, world famous and I'm not going to say his name for obvious reasons, it would really confuse his huge constituency to know that his best friend was Saucer Sam the rectal probe man. But it's true. Anyway, um, his parents said no because they were concerned about the way the program was described. But he was nine. I'm I was seven. We're two years apart. He remembers it because he was in the living room when the when the request was made when the two Air Force people came and they knew the Air Force people. My parents, I'm sure they knew them too. They were family friends. The military where we lived. Many military people lived right in the same neighborhood. I grew up with military people. Uh, Colonel Guy Hicks, who was the officer at when the man at at the air base, the commanding officer at the air base where the Mantel incident occurred. You remember that? Where this uh guy goes up in a Mustang and ends up crashing? Uh, he was living right around the corner from us. He after he was cashiered, he ends up on this little street with a number of other people who were in various states, members of the paperclip, German paperclip scientists and all kinds of people like that and Colonel Hicks and daddy used to send to us say to why don't you go over, we would get called to play with the Hicks children and when we came back daddy would sometimes would say, how did you, what did you do and did you have fun and yes and we did and uh, he never said openly, did you talk about anything? But if we had said we talked about flying saucers with Colonel Hicks or something like that, I have a feeling Colonel Hicks would have disappeared just like some of these scientists are. So, 'cause daddy was in this and so was his brother and that's why it all started. George, long answer to a short question, but it's a good question as to I think my intelligence, which is part of me and I'm I don't for some reason people feel competitive about intelligence these days, you know, and everyone wants to be the smartest person in the room and you know, it's boring actually. I don't care one way or another. I don't even feel I want I like people and I like all kinds of people. I don't care. You have to be, I'm not I'm not interested in intelligence exclusivity. I think of Mensa as a sort of a joke. So, end of story.
I'm just smart enough to know I'm never the smartest person in the room. That's where I'll leave it. Jeremy, jump in here.
Hey, Whitley. Um, good to see you, man. I'm I'm really kind of excited. I was reading through your new book. You know, we are comfortable right now with the idea of flying saucers, the idea of these craft, right, that are visiting humanity or somehow, you know, persistent um in our world. We're kind of in a new place now, but kind of when you came forward, it was super taboo to say that some of these craft probably have pilots. They have beings, for a lack of a better term, associated with with piloting these craft or being part of and and the world is still not caught up yet. So what you say, you know, a lot of people just immediately go to skepticism. They're okay with flying saucers now, but they're not okay with beings. But that is the core of your personal experience is that um, you say it's not purely extraterrestrial, it's not purely physical, it's not hallucination, it's somewhere in between. But can you kind of tell us, you know, what that's like to know rather than think that these craft do have occupants and that you've been directly contacted by them?
You know, I wonder why people are so surprised by that. Yeah.
I mean, of course they have occupants and and thank God they're interested in us because one of the first things that was supposedly ever said, reported by uh uh uh General Twang's son was that one of these beings had said to him, the one that was alive at at uh Wright Field said to him, "We're not interested in humanity." And I thought to myself when I read that, aha, the first thing they ever said to us was also the first lie they ever told to us, but not the last, believe me. In any case, um, the I got I when I first had this experience, the first flying saucer I ever saw was from the inside, apparently. So, you know, these beings were they were more real to me than UFOs when this happened to me. And I did not know where I had was or what they were. And I still wouldn't say that I know what they are, but you know, nonhuman intelligence, uh, NHI is a good description of them. They're not from here. That I'm pretty sure of because I I was fortunate in in over the years I had enough direct contact experiences with them to be able to observe them fairly carefully because, you know, these experiences lasted 20, 30 seconds, maybe at most 2 minutes. But there were numbers of them and I knew how to keep them intact in my memory. Then I see this document on Reddit put out by a biologist who claims that he was at Fort Dietric, which I had heard the some of the bodies word Fort Detric years ago and he had done uh autopsies. And so I read the document and I thought, my God, the first thing in this document, the first words in it are something I saw with my own eyes happening, but that I have never written about, nobody knows about it. And I told Bud Hopkins about it and he said that to me, "Oh, don't tell anyone about that. Really? That'll make you seem insane." I thought to myself then, make me seem insane. Come on. Yeah, I'm already in that in that box, deep in that box and I'm not getting out anyway. But I never told anyone because it was too weird. It's about the way they evacuate waste and it comes out through the pores on their skin. And I saw them in my front yard wiping this stuff off of their arms and I could smell it. And you know, then this guy is describing this whole process exactly. So I went through the whole document in the fourth mind literally line by line and compared what he was saying with what I had observed over the years.
Right?
So they are something physical. They are not from here for the simple reason if he's right and they have a quadrospheric brain, four lobes on their brain, then absolutely they are not from Earth. Every animal on Earth is hemispheric brain. Therefore, they are they are evolved in a different evolutionary track than we are on, simple as that.
I guess it depends on which they you're talking about. I look back at Communion today and even in Communion, you made, you had a list of the possibilities. I mean, you had a pretty good idea you'd had up close and personal experiences with a variety of beings and what they look like, but you wrote, even then, there are a bunch of different possibilities, ETs, interdimensionals, and you're over the years, different books and different thought processes, you you've thought different ways about it. The dead get mixed in with it. So, where are you now? Um, uh, where we're They're not from here, or at least as far as we know. Could they be manufactured biological robots? Could they, they could be a combination of all the above?
Well, I think the small ones that are about 3 ft tall are manufactured, but they are highly intelligent at the same time. And um, you know, looking at them is like looking at looking at a machine that's smarter than you are, a bug that's smarter than you are. It's very weird. The taller ones have personality. I don't think they have, I think one of the reasons they're having so much trouble handling us, by the way, is that they have individual personalities to an extent, but they basically have a single mind because they're very fluently telepathic and they're in contact and you can see they move, they function very slowly when you're with them in the sense of, you know, they're they're obviously kind of getting signals about what the decision-making process isn't instantaneous. Let me put it that way. And so, in a sense, they're one person, right? They must be. But we are billions of people. And I think we are much faster. I think we're catching up with them lickety-split technologically and they know it. And we're going to go flying out there like a bunch of a bunch of mushroom spores, an unstoppable mass of completely intact individual beings, each of which is at least 50 or 60% as powerful intellectually as they are. And I sure if that's if I'm right about that, they're scared of us. I know they are scared of me because they're scared to death of me. That in fact, uh, last summer, someone was working on a film with me got abducted. And this is one of the fun things about working with me is that people do get abducted when that happens. And she gets abducted. And the situation is this. There's walking, shuffling footsteps on her roof. She calls me and I I go rushing over there and I said, "Look, um, they're here. They're looking at you and it's possible they're going to come in the house very soon." And she says, "Well, what do you mean?" I said, "Well, you know, you live here." She lives up in the Hollywood Hills in a beautiful place that's completely isolated and and has a whole big sky. You can see all the way from the mountains to the to Griffith Park from her front room. So, you know, it's perfect for them. And I said, "They're going to come see you." She said, "Well, what'll happen to me?" I said, "They're not going to do anything to you that prevents you from working on this project." So, the next night she's hears the footsteps again. She wakes up and she sees peering through a curtain into her bedroom, which opens out onto the huge view and the living room and the huge view, one of the tall ones looking at her. And this is a whole person. This is not like the little short ones who were rushing back and forth snorting and because they're guards. They go like that when they're guarding someone and they sound they sound nervous. Uh, they used to show up at our house in Texas and my aunt was there one time when I was working on um, A New World and I was downstairs in the living room and they were in the standing on the porch right out big porch right outside working telepathically on the book with me and the on the sleeping porch upstairs there was one of them shuffling along and saw my aunt was still awake 'cause her bedroom was right there. And it says to her, "Why aren't you asleep?" And she says, "Whitley, is that you?" She calls me from upstairs. I said, "No, I I don't know. What are you talking about?" "Well, somebody asked me whether or not I was asleep." And it was really strange sounding voice. And there they were on the porch. And I thought, "Oh, holy moly." I said, "Well, maybe you try to go to sleep." And she just she says, "Why? How?" I said, "Look, just leave it be. It's nothing important." But she'd seen him before and I knew it was next morning. I said, you know, she said, "No, I'm not scared. It's fine." That afternoon, she had a heart attack. And fortunately, our cardiologist lived just down the road, his country house is down the road. I called him and said, "Chris, she's having a heart attack. You got to get over here right away." 'Cause I could te I could feel it in her pulse. And he gets over there, he rushes her to a hospital, puts a pacemaker in her, saves her life. So that's what this is. The lady in Hollywood Hills, after the being is looking at her, she's so scared, she says, "Oh my God," to herself, "If only it was dawn." Whereupon a huge light fills the place with light. And the next thing she knows, something grabs her arm and pulls her up through the ceiling. You understand? A lot of people listening to this are thinking, "Oh, this is all completely impossible." But it is not. It's what it's going to be like for all of us. The the more this spreads, the more it's going to be like this. And 2 and 1/2 hours later, she finds herself lying on the floor of her bedroom in a heap. And dawn is coming. She has no idea what happened. Missing time.
You know, there's a a movement of late uh for people who have had experiences like you. They don't call them abductees anymore. They prefer the term experiencers, which is a softer, kinder, gentler kind of way to put it. And people in these organizations have come to the conclusion that this is overall a positive experience. They they think it is, you know, you wrote as far back as Transformation about how it changes people, psychic abilities, abilities they never had before. And and in that sense, it can be positive. Doesn't matter how that they're taken against their will, uh, that uh, you know, there are invasive procedures that we all know about. They see it as a positive thing. And I I I wonder if it's sort of like Stockholm syndrome where you start identifying with your abductors, like, you know, Patty Hearst or something like that.
Yeah, I worry about that too because I've been there and done that and, you know, but when I sat back a few years ago and just looked at my whole life experience, I thought to myself, am I going to come down on the fact the idea this is positive or is it negative? When I saw the abductee movement turning into the experiencer movement basically and I thought, what is it to you in your real life? What is it? And the answer is, it's too complicated to identify as either positive or negative. And we constantly want to do that to make it easy for us to understand and to grasp and and pigeonhole it. Complex, complex experience the human species has ever faced without any question. It's way ahead, way ahead of everything we have done historically, the world wars, the all the all of the different things that have happened to us in nature, the discoveries, uh, the technological discoveries that have changed our our world and our lives. The only thing that's going to even come close is AI. And it may, it might be as big a deal as the the coming of the visitors and then the two things are going to emerge into our society at the same time. It's going to be really busy around here. Boy. Anyway, it is not all positive by any means. It wasn't in my life and it is not in my life all positive at all. It is not all negative either because I have learned from it. It has broken down in my life the the barrier between the living and the dead. Wait a minute. Which Okay. Yeah. Here. There we go. It's little. It's mirrored. She's still with me. That's why she's back there. I wear both rings because I am still involved with her in ways that are sometimes almost are provable in a in a mundane manner. So that breakthrough came because of my relationship with them. At the same time, I know a lot of things about them. I know a lot of things about they that they've done. And I suppose JD Vance knows some of those things too, because otherwise he would have no reason to call them demons. But they are a very complex presence. Dangerous, wonderful, destructive, productive. We have to figure out how the hell to make this work for us. They're not going to help us do that. We have to do that ourselves. A new world, if you can take it. That's the theme.
Corso. Yeah, Corso. Exactly. What a great guy. Phil was such a courageous, wonderful man. Go ahead.
I just curious um, so kind of from all your experiences, do you believe that the phenomenon is is guiding human evolution in some way or is it just interacting with it? Because you've said there's some fear on their side. It sounds really discombobulated. Like, is there a sense you get that there is some guidance for our human evolution or are they just interacting with it?
Well, that gets to the issue of genetic manipulation and social manipulation that that results in genetic manipulation, which is also a possibility. Uh, because trauma can change people genetically, for example, and enough trauma is going to leave a scar in a in a whole civilization, a whole species. Dean Raiden has a fascinating paper out. It's a it's it's really a prototype paper of uh, the difference between psychic the genetic mix of psychics and ordinary people. And they found that psychics and ordinary people all have pretty much the same genes. But there's a subset of people, mostly who are totally skeptical about all of this, who don't have a certain gene. And these are all people who generally came from Central Europe, whose families came from Central Europe, who were exposed to the massive persecution of everybody with any mystical leanings or thoughts during the Middle Ages for nearly a thousand years and were burned to death. And uh, those people are different from the rest of us. Now, that's social, that is social and cultural action causing genetic manipulation. Now, did they, they meaning whoever this is in the big sense of the word, ever introduce genetic changes in us? We don't actually have the capability of determining that yet. Whether there have been moments, there are plenty of people out there. You can go on the internet and find all kinds of things about how they did this and they they must have done that and genetic manipulation has occurred, but it's very uncertain still. That that technology or that that scientific capability is still very much in its infancy. Is it possible?
Lazar read that. Lazar read that in briefings. He doesn't know if it's true, but you know, he read that there was genetic manipulation of human beings, intervention a number of times. So, if we take his story on face value, we don't know if they were trying to trick him or not, but we should from a DNA perspective be able to see, has there have there been manipulation in those genes? We can see it when we're looking at other animals. So, I'm I'm just curious if we're going to catch up soon.
Well, then you now you're getting into the defense department territory. Yeah, we probably can see that. But you try to look for that in in the scientific community and you're not going to get funded. In fact, you may be you may be ejected entirely from your career.
Uh, and uh, that is uh, you know, so that yeah, it's certainly possible. I don't know why. Look, if you turn it around, we are the species that can go anywhere from wherever we are. I'm not talking about I'm not settling on interplanetary or anything. I'm just saying we can go into any place we want and we discover a planet which has got an intelligent species on it or a a proto-intelligent species. Someone's getting there. And we think to ourselves, if we play with that a little bit, we're going to be able to turn that into an entirely intelligent species that is self-aware. We can confer consciousness on them. Would we do it?
Hell.
The answer is, you're damn right, hell yeah, we would do it. So, yeah, it's highly likely that it's been done here. It's no big deal. I mean, you know, people say, "Oh, that can't be true." I'm sorry. Why not? We'd do it. It's It's a great idea. It's like directed panspermia, but it's it's additionally just bringing another biological entity up to I mean, look, we took the genetics of the dire wolf and there was missing DNA because it was so degraded. So, we just went in there and we filled it in with some wolf DNA. And then we made these really beautiful, cute dire wolf beings that are not 100% dire wolf because we had to inject some code. That's how they were made. We had to inject some code from wolves. But we're already doing it. So, I can only imagine that we would do it on a bigger scale for fun.
We're going to do it to ourselves because believe me, you know, we talked about intelligence a little while ago and that's a big premium thing. We are going to and if it's it probably is already happening. We are going to alter people's genes, babies' genes in order to have them come out the way the parents want.
Oh, it's it's already happening with CRISPR and all that. But the the kind of interesting thing is like, so AI with OpenAI as an example, they've throttled the biological um data sets to make sure that people can't like create new viruses as weapons. So they're dumbing down the AI so that when they're in public hands, we can't manipulate genetic code. We can't manipulate biologics in the same way. So we're already protecting against it because it's a very real thing. We can figure out how to manipulate uh human DNA.
Yeah. Unfortunately, dumbing down an AI is not going to stop anyone who really wants to do it.
Right?
So, and it's going to happen.
Signal is perfectly safe because it's encrypted, right?
No, there's there is a way to have private communication, but I'm not going to go into what it is. And it doesn't involve >> signals.
Tell me. I'm not >> No, it's not Signal. It's not Signal. I'll tell you off here.
Smoke signals.
Smoke signals. No. Well, telepathy would work.
Oh.
Because telepathy is very real. Kai Dickens has just finished her documentary. I've seen the rough cut of it or the actually, it's the fine cut and it is phenomenal. Phenomenal. She shows what this really is among these extraordinary people who have always been told. I mean, a few years ago, it was routine for the doctors to tell the parents, your child has no connection to the outside world. Your child will never know you. Your child is basically just a block of flesh. And inside there was a glorious angelic being who had full range telepathy waiting to be heard. And there they are on Kai's documentary telling their stories. I've been in telepathic. I'm I being with the visitors so much. They're total telepaths. They don't even have vocal cords. They they can make a noise, but they can't like talk or anything like that, but it's totally telepathic. And you're exposed to that enough, you get somewhat telepathic. So, when I'm around these people who are fluently telepathic, I'm telepathic too, but not not normally. I mean, I wish I could telepathically communicate with people, but I can't. I mean, you know, unless they are telepaths, then I can.
Yeah. Whitley, can you uh tell us where about this new book, where it lands? You know, how you don't have to tell us all of how you get there, where it lands, and do it in the context, too, of disclosure. Disclosure is something that Jeremy and I hear every day. The president says he's going to release the files. The vice president says he's going to get to the bottom of it, and it's, by the way, it's demons. The uh Office of Director National Intelligence conducted its own little secret study. Organizations are getting together within the government and sharing information. The public has expectations and what they really want is where are the saucers and where are the bodies. Um, the idea that the president's going to step out and make an announcement of disclosure seems pretty far-fetched to me, especially in light of what you have explored. I mean, you could say, "Hey, we've got some saucers. We don't know where they're from, why they're here." But I don't see the president saying, "Yeah, by the way, they abduct us. They conduct all kinds of experiments. We don't know where the who they are, why they're from uh or what they're doing here, what the long range plan is." How you could never announce that. You could never >>
Well, that's the thing. You know, the only thing they can do with the abductions is say they didn't happen. And there's been an FBI investigation of this going on now for a few years. And I've always been concerned about it. It's been very, it's very secret. And it may not even be going on anymore. I don't know. It was going on three years ago, though. That I do know. Uh, and I thought to myself at the time, they know a lot of things because I know some of the things they know and they're not pretty at all. Uh, but an investigation like that would be would it be to tell the truth or would it be to say, well, we've been investigating this, the FBI has been investigating this for three, four years and we have concluded that the abductions never happened. That I think would be a possibility because lying is part of the part of part of the game with this stuff.
Anyway, uh, we're going to be in a we go back two years. I was thinking about writing a new book. It was called Reunion. And I have this implant in my left ear, which is a communications device that I've learned to use. I've talked about it on your show before. And it, I was by 3:00 or so in the morning. It it is at its best at that because the brain is at is is open to that kind of thing at that hour. There's a famous type of yoga thing in yoga called Brahma Muhurta time, which is an hour and a half before sunrise. The brain is most open to outside influences at that time and that's when I do this work. So, I wasn't getting anything about Reunion. I have the idea. I would put it forth and uh, usually there'll be a kind of conversation. It's not downloads because I'm far too egotistical to handle. I can't handle some some disembodied presence giving me downloads from the from the beyond. They got to converse with me or I'm not interested. So anyway, uh, the uh, then suddenly there comes this thing about the book Transformation and I said, what? I yeah, I remember it and it develops over about two weeks. The conversation, whoever's on the other side of this thing wants Transformation to be updated. And I think to myself, why this just I I'm not in the disclosure space at all at that point. Then I know that the book is about what it's actually like for a family to have this experience of interaction with the Grays on a on in a life basis because they would come up to the house all the time and it was good. She would invite people up there and we'd have these parties and the visitors would show up late at night. A lot of these people like Raven Dana is still still very much alive and she still talks in great detail about her experience there with them and, you know, it was incredible. It was it was just and then the children had it. My son had it. They it was just an extraordinary period that lasted from the time in 1986 when I started going out in the woods to say to them, I'm I'm ready for more because as Ann said, you go out in the woods by yourself. I'm not going out there. Uh, until for years they would literally come up to the house and engage with us in all kinds of different ways. And that's what the book's about. Now, fast forward to now, I've updated the book and it turns out that we're right at the edge of some kind of disclosure, maybe even a presidential announcement of some sort. And the book is there to help people who might have these beings come into their lives because it shows how we did it, how we handled it, how it, what the experience was for us. It's amazing. The timing is not my timing. I'm I'm couldn't I would like to say, well, I'm the Mr. Guru and I I knew all along. No, sir. I'm just I'm just trying my best to keep the surfboard going. So.
There there are some spooky unsettling aspects of this that I can't imagine anyone ever admitting. Jeremy, you you're interested in the missing people part of it.
I am. Yeah. I just wanted to get Whitley's perspective on that because we've texted a little bit about it and it's just kind of one of those, you know, I don't have a lot of information on that, but there's a lot of speculation. So, I just wanted to kind of hear Whitley's, you know, often unique perspective on this kind of thing. What do you think about these missing scientists and the the General McCasslin? We know that with the UFO thing, there's rumors of people, you know, being stopped, you know, or disappearing. So, I'd just love to hear kind of your thoughts, Whitley.
Well, okay. Now, pardon me if I take a little time here. Uh, that I've I've done two Dreamlands on this. One uh with Micah Hanks of the Debrief talking about Journal and Castlin and then another one about Yinto Raza on just me. They were available on YouTube. They were about two or three weeks back at this point. There's a wonderful one by the way on the lady which Chris Bretz I guess it's the same lady that Chris Palo sees this week on Dreamland. This woman uh from England has had the most extraordinary and complete experience of the lady in I've ever heard and it's really, really beautiful. Anyway, to the scientists, uh, as things look now, it's possible that General McCaslin, uh, ended his own life because he was having, uh, uh, he knew he was in a he thought he was in a state of, uh, uh, Alzheimer's or something, early Alzheimer's or something. And I can't blame him. I probably do the same thing. Uh, but there's also the other side of this and that is the weirdness of leaving stuff behind and why would he conceal this from his own wife that he just sort of disappears leaving her to wonder for the rest of her life what happened to my husband?
Right?
That's incredibly cruel. And from all I know of him and I've brushed past his name a few times in my life. He's not a cruel man. He was a genius. Actually, they don't say that, but he was incredibly brilliant. And that's why he ended up doing the hardest job in the Air Force, which is managing this crazy stuff.
Right.
Now, uh uh Yinto Raza's case is almost certainly an abduction. And the reason is simple. Those mountains up there, that trail, first of all, it's I'm I'm 80 years old and I'm not going up that trail again anytime soon. I'm I'm in great shape, but I'm not in great shape to hike that trail at 6,000 ft. But I do know the trail >> and that it's remotely possible that she was pushed over the edge by somebody who and then the body was collected and taken away from down below. Now, that would be really hard to do because when you look over the edge there, it is a total I mean, there's just would that would be a tremendous challenge, maybe impossible. But her cap was found in the on the way down. So, however, let's roll back to two things that I can describe. One is what is it like to be taken up by them? I remember it vividly. I was in the woods surrounded by these beings who were very affable. I mean, they weren't they were wearing they weren't they were wearing these round helmets with round eye eye holes and round mouth holes and uh, they were I wasn't scared of them and the next thing I knew it was exactly like going up in the in an elevator only there was no elevator and I just went past the woods and there followed a period of of wild confusion because that was when I was then restrained. Um,
so you heard her cry out and then they turn around and she's not there anymore. People do not look up. Therefore, they did not occur to them to look up, I'm sure. But if they had looked up, they might have seen something very different. Or if they did look up and did see something very different, that's going to be classified. Um, she was working in an area which is very important to our efforts to back engineer these craft because the uh ultra high energy electrical electric fields that are involved require esoteric and extremely strong materials. And that was her wheelhouse. That was her wheelhouse. Um, now if General McCaslin was abducted, he was he was retired since for 10 years nearly. And if he was abducted, it was because they would want to sift through his mind and find people that they would have abducted Jinto. And then shortly thereafter, they abduct uh uh uh Casus was her name. Um, Melissa Casus, I believe. Yeah. And she disappears the same way. Just gone out of the into the air. And I I think those are abductions. I don't see what else they could be. And they're looking, they're looking for something. And I think what they're looking for is to impede our abilities to get out of this, get out of here.
So they're working against us in that way. I mean, some people think that we're being helped, you know, by these visitors to kind of learn technology and kind of evolve and and grow, but you're you're saying it's the opposite in your perspective.
I Well, it's I think it's very complicated, and I'll tell you why. Then this this is going to kind of segue into the crop circle world, but okay, that let's go there now. Uh, 2002, there a crop formation appears in a little town, a little place, it's not a town, I've been there, called Crabwood in Wiltshire. It consists of a face of a gray and some other things and a disc which has turns out to have ASCII code in it. Now, there is no way this was made by us. Not by the best artists who make things out in the fields or used to when it was stood.
Why though? Why though? Because I I could imagine that being made by us.
No, no, it it's not possible. I'm sorry.
Why?
Because the the intricacy of the Let me put it this way. The face is made in the same way uh if you have a something printed in a news an image printed in a newspaper, it's actually made of tiny dots. The face is made up of tiny places where the the the the uh crop was was wound together in incredibly intricate manner and there are blown nodes all over the place. A blown node occurs when heat is applied to make the the the node bend. And we don't have you would have had to blow each node, tens of thousands of nodes on these bits of grass of crop in order to do that. And it would have taken you years. I mean, it's just impossible. This happened overnight.
Like I I've heard about this before. I have never seen them. But do you have like photographs of this particular crop circle showing the interwoven and the heated nodes?
I have I have one. Yeah.
Yeah. He I I've got them somewhere. I I >> from that crop circle. From that one.
Y >> probably. I've got a lot of of them. I I have to admit I'd have to look back because I haven't. But probably I know there were blown nodes photographed for sure. And I think George is saying he's got an image >> from that one though. Yeah.
Yeah.
But but it's a the thing that's important about it is what the what the u uh words were on the ask in the ASCII code, which were uh, "Beware the bearers of false gifts and their broken promises." There's good out there. There was more, but that's the basics, basic part of it.
To me that means there's more than one group here. Someone is good, but they're out there. Someone is bearing false gifts, but they're in here and they're not good. And you go to, you, you've had many of people on your show who are talking about the back engineering process. And I think that we were given just enough like the donation site that Tyler and uh uh Gary Nolan go to and that >>
Tyler and Gary Nolan.
Well uh no, the Tyler uh I'm not supposed to say his name, although everybody knows it, but he gets all pissed off if I say it on the air, but other people say it all the time and he doesn't bat an eye. So, I'm not going to say his name. And u uh and Diana Pulka uh, who by the way has a phenomenal book coming out. I've read it. It's extraordinary. Yeah. Cool. Anyway, uh uh these donations have they go all the way back to Roswell. My uncle and his team and and General uh Exxon worked on the materials u and they they've been working on these materials for years. U what was his name? Um uh the metallurgist who was he talked to me extensively and I'm blocking on his name right now. Um Stanton Friedman introduced him to me in 1986 and when I was just starting to write Communion and he was working on the materials then and said that they had microscopes, they had they were welded at the molecular level, which is made what made them so incredibly light and so incredibly strong. So are those the false gifts? Maybe. So then these abductions start to happen of people who are involved with this stuff. People whose specific work could be like centers, specific work could in could be involved with us getting it right. So the false gifts, we may have figured out what was false about them and what wasn't. We might be getting somewhere in terms of making these things, these bizarre hyperdimensional objects that we call UFOs. What if what if some of these abductions though are just like um our government keeping stuff on the DL and, you know, because you're talking about abductions of these people like they want to go in their minds and figure out who they talked with, but you don't need to take somebody completely for for that. So I'm just wondering if like some of these abductions are theorized to be our
The government keeping the co program quiet, like even maybe crop circles. What if we had a weapon that you could shoot down into a field using bit mapping, just like a computer, and we could heat up these nodes from a space-based weapon and print an image into, you know, the crop circles? What if our we're it's some of the is us Whitley?
>> Well, that's what Jack Valet says. But the problem with that is atmospheric diffusion is a big deal when it when you're talking about sending a beam down from space. Uh, you you have to have an immensely powerful power plant up there, and that beam is going to be visible for miles.
>> Right? Unless it's
>> been around a long time. It's also been around a long time.
>> Yeah. And these crop circles, they've been around for, they were crop circles before we even had science. Back in the
>> I just wonder if there's bi mimicry, if we're creating something because maybe we could use like microwaves that are not visible to the human eye. I'm just saying maybe there's, um, some
>> biic that gets into a whole area because I'm not gonna argue with you for a second because I think it's, I think I think the jury is completely out, and I'm much more interested in exploring questions than in getting into a debate what I believe versus what you believe. I don't even care. I'm interested in the questions. And here's an a fascinating question, and that is, is there a human element involved in this that is directly connected to the nonhuman element and is expressing itself into the world? Suddenly people are all talking about hybrids, and maybe the there are people out there who do have these capabilities and are acting in this in this whole thing and are an additional presence here, and maybe the government is involved with them, and maybe they are helping to control the uh, the expression of all this because let's get back to McCaslin for a second. Why would he be taken? He's been retired for all these years.
>> Right?
>> Well, maybe he was planning to invoke the whistleblower act. If he was, that would be game over because he, of what he knew and his stature, it would be game over for the DoD. If if Trump says something, they're going to be able to control that. What Trump says will be something that they have approved of. But if General McCaslin ends up ended up sitting in front of a congressional committee, it would be over, and the truth would then be known. Among other things, that routinely this material, uh, all the records of this are moved over mostly to Lockheed Martin and become privatized so that, you know, the government can safely, defense department can safely say, well, we didn't find a thing because they didn't, because they've already given it away. Uh, so he would be a, that would be a huge danger. Huge danger.
>> Let me return to Jeremy's question about missing people. But broaden it a little bit. So we know about the scientists who disappeared. Our colleague Dave Politis has written several books about people missing. They go hiking in national forests. Sometimes they're alone. Sometimes they're with groups of people, and they just get plucked. Um, I wonder if you have some thoughts about that. Is that them? And in those instances, do you suppose that people, they're taken against their will, but do you suppose people are given a a choice? Hey, you want to come with us? Um, and if they say no, and they spit back out, or do they not have a choice in either being taken or taken for good? What do you think?
Well, there was a case of a young man in Australia who was fascinated by UFOs and wanted to be taken. Uh, Valentic was his name, Nick Valentic, as I recall. And he, his plane disappeared under circumstances that suggested he probably was taken. Now, did he get taken to another world and had a great time? I have no idea. But I would be very, wouldn't be very surprised if that's not what happened. I've been given the chance to go and I didn't. I chose not to. And there was another person, a young teenager, who disappeared about five miles from my cabin within a couple of days of that moment in my life. He's never been found.
>> So, uh, I think it's possible that people are just taken. Now, I don't know how dark you guys want to go here on your show because we can go to
>> full dark.
>> Well, okay. Then then folks, I'm so sorry, but this this is all already in a book called The New A New World, and no one even even uh rarely mentions e even when the book was first being read, people sort of skipped over it because it was too hard to to to face. Uh, but remember I wrote that book as I said earlier at the country house with the grays literally on the porch working with me telepathically. So they knew everything that was in it, including this material. And this material is as follows. At some point in the mid '90s, a friend of a friend of a friend of mine ended up talking to a coroner who was working on some very bizarre cases in Brooklyn. These are people who have been mutilated like cattle. These people were all Jeremy Jeez,
>> freaks me out.
>> Well, I don't blame you. It freaks everyone out. These people were all in the same state in the world. They were all homeless. They were taken from the streets of Brooklyn. They were street people. They were then mutilated, then drowned in the ocean, and the bodies returned to like rooftops and stuff near where they had been taken.
>> Now, when I first read this story, or she told me about it, actually, I didn't read it. I said to her, "Well, I want some documentation." And when I got the documentation, it included a description of the autopsies of what they found, the damage they found, a lot of it. And something told me immediately that it was true. And this is what it was. There is here just above the C1 vertebra, a spot that if the right frequency electric frequency is applied there, you will feel what feel like clamps opening up and down your spine. They're the chakras, and they will open, and you you can, you will roll right out of your body in perfectly intact, a perfectly intact state. And all of these cases were the same. Someone had busted into the spine right at that point and stuck something down into it to wreck the spine. In other words, they were extracting the soul, like extracting an oyster from its shell.
That's been done to me, but it's been done to me, and I have, it's, I, I, it was done by a gentle application of that energy, and for me, it was a beautiful experience. Some, some of the most beautiful experiences I've had have been out-of-body experiences where I've gone on these missions that were incredibly cool, like converting, uh, one of the guys that was way up in the whole, not in the Kaslin line of it, but in another line of it, of getting him to convert and become serious about his moral life because you can't, there's a certain level of this you can't really do this successfully unless you have a very examined moral life, and you can't because then you get, you get stuck in the in the fly paper of the dark side. You can't get out of it. So, um, that happens, and I think that probably happens to some of those people that David talks about. David, we had, uh, after the, when Anne passed away, I was very strung out, and I had an argument with David, and since then, he's never talked to me again. Uh, so I, but I love him, and I, I think his work is wonderful. So, and yeah, I, I don't think those people met a good end because I think there's somebody who wants souls and and can take them out of bodies. And I think that that it's an evil business, but it's not monolithic. Do not, folks, go into this. It's all good or all bad. You got to get beyond that. I said earlier, this is the most complex thing that's ever happened to the human species. There's good there, too. Remember, there's good out there. But guess who has to bring the good in? We do.
What about Okay, I have one more question, and we can you can take it away, Jeremy. Have you ever experienced a mantid type being? You've talked about the the little grays and the tall grays. What about mantises?
Uh, I've en been engaged with the tall whites, with a Nordic, with the grays, and I had a very interesting experience, not with one of those gigantic mantid beings, but with a small, smaller one. Uh, I asked when I was really in deep contact and and could could ask for and get all kinds of cool responses. I asked to see Earth 1.5 billion years from now. And, um, I'm awakened one night, a couple nights later, and everything has changed. The bedroom. And this is probably a lucid dream, but a controlled lucid dream is what I think it probably was. I'm not saying it physically happened at all. And there's a ladder leading up right in the middle of the bedroom to a hatch in the And climbing down the ladder is a mantid being. He's about five feet tall. He's not, he's not, uh, huge. And he gets me to go up the ladder. And I understand that this is all what I'm seeing is all that's left of the human experience on Earth 1.5 billion years ago. And it's a field full of tall grasses, and some, some underneath the grasses, there's some, some broken stones, big stones that are kind of broken up. And that was this, that was my only experience with those beings, if that was an experience with them. But it was very cool.
>> Very fascinating.
>> Uh George, I've just been, you know, right now at the time of this recording, we are for the first time since 1972, like orbiting human beings around the backside of the moon. We're going to go out for 55 minutes. There's going to be no communication. It's like, um, if you've ever heard the audio from when we we did that prior, it's a very tense moment. I know the Artemis folks, like Mike Gold and them, and they're pumped, man. They're like, "We were statistically not be able to fire these thrusters to go to the moon." They're like, "This wasn't supposed to happen. This was a test mission." Yet, boom, they fire these thrusters. They're going to go on the back side of the moon. They're going to loop around. And then I got friends in the Navy that are actually on the ships that are going to go pick up, um, the astronauts after. So, I'm watching this really closely. But one thing that I'm interested in, Whitley, is that the camera systems that Artemis developed, designed, and put on the Artemis craft is specifically to look at the anomalies on the back side of the moon because it's an area that we we can't normally look at. Like the ocean, we can go if we're really interested, but the back side of the moon, we haven't had a chance to do that with people since '72, allegedly. So, my question to you is this. Um, do you think a mission like this with human beings going, you know, up around the anomalous moon, do you think that they're going to see anything or record anything from your experiences and understanding? Do are there things on the back side of the moon? Are there things out there that that these astronauts might engage with these visitors?
>> U, there's a UFO guy called Peter Robbins who's made a practice of finding images that have been airbrushed of the moon of and Mars and images that haven't been airbrushed but appear to show anomalous, uh, stuff. And if NASA is being its usual self, anything they find like that is not going to be shown to the public. Um, and, uh, the answer is I think it, it's an certainly an exciting fun mission, and it's a joy to see them us going back to the moon. And, uh, I would be very surprised if any anomalies that looked like they suggested the presence of non-human beings were ever shown to the public, if even if they
>> It's a different game now. It's a different game because the Artemis mission is private aerospace. They're working with NASA obviously, and and a lot of that footage does have to be filtered through NASA, but they have their own cameras that don't require proprietary, um, you know, uh, computers and stuff to to analyze it. So the Artemis mission will be getting footage right off the craft, including the cell phone footage of the the astronauts themselves. So I, I think it's a different game now. It's not just held within NASA.
>> Well, maybe so. It would be cool if they did find something and we got to see it. That would be a big step.
>> Do Do you think there's stuff out there on the moon and in space from your personal experiences?
>> Well, certainly I haven't been to the moon lately, so I can't can't answer that directly. Uh, but
>> you chill with the grays, man. I mean, come on. They got to tell you something.
>> Well, they don't take me, I don't think they've ever taken me anywhere. I'm, I'm not sure I'd be willing to go anywhere with them. Or, uh, I maybe they, maybe I did go once with them, but it was not, it didn't feel, it wasn't dangerous. It didn't feel dangerous, but I think you just, they're so complicated, and there's so many of them, and there's all kinds of different agendas and conflicting agendas. You don't know. You can't tell. I mean, if if I was asked, "Will you go with us by Grays right now?" I would say no because I wouldn't be sure what their plan was. Uh, now that said, if Peter Robbins is right, we've got a lot of in imagery from the moon and from Mars that has been hit being hidden. I guess I'm asking, is there activity out there with your understanding the cosmology of of these visitors? Is it just centralized around Earth, or is there any reason that we would have craft out in space and around the moon?
>> Us I don't visitors.
>> Well, I mean, if Yeah, they've got things that can go 50,000 feet in the 36, 76th of a second. You'd think they probably could go to the moon fairly quickly. And and Mars and and, uh, you know, that's actually not that fast in terms of going to another star. It take thousands of year, 1,300 years, I think, to go to the nearest star even at that speed. But, uh, uh, but to go to like Jupiter, it would take about four minutes. So they could be flying around all over this solar system, certainly. And, you know, who was that? Um, Beatrice Valeriol published a paper in Nature recently that, um, was attempted to be debunked by another scientist, uh, uh, Kevin Nuth, who's unfortunately his math didn't work out, but and then there's another paper from another telescope saying that they're finding the same thing Beatrice did, which was, uh, unknown objects around Earth back in that were being recorded by the Palomar Telescope back in the '50s. So, they are, they've been here a long time. They may be part of this. They, and we were talking about earlier, maybe they created us. Maybe we're maybe we're a game. Maybe we're a toy. I hope that someone in UFO world is monitoring the various communications channels that are Artemis 2 has, you know, because it seems like a lot of things that we send up to the moon, according to astronauts, they've seen things. They they've communicated that they've seen things, but the messages somehow get garbled or hidden or whatever. Uh, Whitley, I have one more question. Just tell us about the book. What's the title? Where can people find it? It's out now, right?
Yeah, the book is called Transformation 2026. And what it is is the the transformation story from the '80s of what it's like for a regular family to have the grays in their life. There's I think 31 witnesses mentioned in the book. So it's very grounded in that sense, in that sense. And, uh, then I took every chapter and I updated it. So, it's got all the latest stuff in it about brain function and how memory works and how to live with this because I think that probably a lot of the people who are experiencers and maybe others as well are going to be living with it just like we did at some point after or maybe despite disclosure, whether it happens or not. I think we're just going down that road. And you can get it at Amazon, uh, primarily at Amazon. I think it's probably also available on as an audio book. It's available on Audible and on Apple books. I read the book. There's no AI involved at all because my experience of AI is somebody knows I'm out there because I get some of the most brilliant hallucinations you can ever imagine. I don't use it anymore for that reason. It started with, uh, Chat GPT, and then I changed to Claude, and within six weeks, Claude was all hallucinations too. So I just gave up.
>> Well, I, I always love, you know, George introduced me to, you know, I think the first time I George is telling me about you. He just looks at me and goes, you know, reality isn't what it used to be, Jeremy. Like he said something funny like that, and I, you know, I wasn't exposed to a lot of of your work. It takes a lot of faith for people to say, "I'm going to trust this guy and what he's saying or I'm not going to." But, you know, the thing is is we we accept now UFOs are real. But it is the the bigger leap to say, "Well, there's got to be occupants and they've been engaging humanity." But, you know, kind of what you've done by bringing all this forward and and telling your experiences, I think it's been invaluable to people. So, thank you for for everything you've done and and how you put yourself out there on this topic, and it's always fascinating to hear your perspective, man.
Thank you very much for having me, guys. I enjoy it thoroughly.