Is Islam True? Fearless Truth Vs Nadir Ahmed Formal Debate

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>> All right, thank you. I'm ready to go now. All right. So, the debate topic here is, Islam true? Well, I think for this debate, I'm going to be presenting uh evidence from both um science as well as history and comparing it with really what with what the Bible teaches and what the Quran teaches on the exact same issue. Let me I'm just going to share my screen if I may and just so I can um you know, just give me one second here and you'll see what I'm talking about here.

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>> Okay. So this is very interesting. If you look at Islam and Christianity, they talk about the same things. Both Jesus and Muhammad talked about mustard seeds, alcohol, washing hands before eating, remarriage, epilepsy, and who killed Jesus? Now, that's interesting. It looks like one is just doing a copy job of the other. But what you're going to find in this debate tonight is that Islam gives very different answers on all these questions. And it's gonna and the reason why is because it's answering the question how you can know Islam to be true by just comparing the teachings. So let's see who does a better job, you know, and and based and what I'm basing that off of is at the top here. Choose the best answer based on the real world outcomes and observable consequences between these two books. So they both you know both the Bible and the Quran they they talked about who killed Jesus. Well the Bible says that it was actually the Jews who killed Jesus. Over here inside 1 Thessalonians chapter 2:14 it states the Jews killed Jesus but the Quran teaches the Jews did not kill Jesus inside chapter 4 verse 157. So what could be the problem here that you know accusing an entire group of people of the worst sin possible? This is called deicide, the killing of God. Well, the Holocaust, I don't know if you know this, but the New Testament, this specific passage, the Holocaust scholars have talked a lot about this and they and and based on their research, this is one of the root causes of the Nazi Holocaust. So, the Quran comes 600 years later and removes this theological driver of hate. So, let's take a look at some references just to back up everything I'm saying. I'm quoting in the Holocaust Encyclopedia. All right, it states over here, the false charge that the Jews killed Jesus. I know it's kind of hard to see. Let me make that a little bit bigger for you. There you go. Uh, the false charge that the Jews killed Jesus was one of the root causes of the Holocaust. Again, I'm quoting the Holocaust Museum. Let's go to Yad Vashem. Uh, this is it's a museum in Israel. If you ever get a chance, this is the building right here. You can go take a look at it. It states over here that one of the roots of of the na of Nazism is actually biblical Christianity. It says anti- uh Christian anti-Judaism. What are they talking about? You This is a video I'm quoting from roots of Nazi ideology. This is from the again this is coming from Holocaust scholars, not my words. This is not coming from jihadbar.com. Okay? And let us see what they say. The Jewish belief that the Jews were were accused of deicide. Deicide is the is the uh the belief in the killing of God, which is exactly what First Thessalonians teaches. So now that creates something called the Christian dilemma. Okay, now I know what you're thinking here. Well, those Christians just misinterpreted the Bible. That's this has nothing to do with interpreting the Bible. This is about inciting hatred and and and that is so it has nothing to do with interpretation. And I know what you're thinking. Well, we can't believe all the blame goes on those ignorant believers. Yeah, some of the blame goes on on the ignorant believers, but not all because the Bible was guilty of introducing an idea while knowing it will likely cause harm or serious problems and that it would and so by a certain degree will bear some of the responsibility for that. Go ahead and put this in your Chat GPT what I'm underlining and it will all say yes, that's exactly right. So this is a Christian dilemma. If we make the assumption that prophet Muhammad is a false prophet from Satan and the Quran explicitly states that Jews did not kill Jesus. Thus removing the stigma and theological hostility. It reduced one of the major drivers of religious hatred. If you go through the Islamic world and you look at the entire history of Islam, what won't you find? You will not find Jews being persecuted or killed because they are Christ killers or because of anything taught in the Quran. You will not find that. But you will find that in the Bible. How can we reconcile an alleged false prophet's correction that brought a certain level of peace into the world while God's word allegedly 1 Thessalonians chapter 2:14-16, the accusation against the Jews of deicide brought persecution into the world. So it wasn't just a Holocaust. It was 2,000 years of suffering and persecution. It is it is not an interpretation but rather the explicit teaching. Post-Holocaust reinterpretations don't work because it ignores the reality. So it goes on stating over here how does this make sense and you can go ahead and put this in your Chat GPT. I'll do it at a later time, but I want you to do it because of course it could be biased towards me. You do it at home and you'll see that the assumption Muhammad being a false prophet in light of the good it brought to the world, correcting the you know, the uh the evil, the sinister evil un e evil unleashed upon mankind by the teachings of the Bible, this assumption doesn't make sense. That's all I'm trying to prove here. So, I'm going to underline this and my opponent is going to have to make sense of that. Let me underline that for you in light of this evidence. So, let's take a look. We're going to find out that the misery and suffering doesn't stop there. Let us go look at we go. So, let me go to scorecard. Who killed Jesus? I'm sure you'll agree based on real world outcomes, Islam gave the better answer. So, I'll go and and give the answer to the Quran and Hadith over there. I'm sure my opponent will not object on that one. Okay, let us now both Muhammad and Jesus talked about alcohol and what we find out now is that that you know just drinking just even a little bit of alcohol, there is no safe limit. Basically, people say, oh, you know, it's good for your heart. The overall harm of alcohol outweighs any good. And here we have if you see these children on your screen here, these are children who have fetal alcohol syndrome because their mother drank some alcohol while while they were pregnant. And we now know from science, I'm going to go and show you. I know this is really small. Let me make this a little bit bigger. Oh, let me go back there. We now know that Muslim women are 50 times less likely to give birth to a fetal alcohol child. Let's go and look at that study which I was quoting from as compared to Christians. So, what the study says, you got to go to the Christians. That's where you're going to find this disease, a fetal alcohol syndrome. So here we see yet another example. Again, I'm not here to show look Bible contradicts science. That's not the issue here. The issue here is who's giving the better answers on these issues. Well, I don't think there's any question about it that Islam is giving the better answer on alcohol. Now, remember when I say this is a better answer. I'm Oh, here's a study I'm quoting from in case you want to just hit pause on your YouTube on your YouTube screen. I'm quoting from a European child of adolescent psychiatry. Now the when I say Islam gave a better answer, I'm talking about it in a period of time when we didn't know the effects of alcohol on the on the pregnant woman or on children. So in this period of time then there's no doubt that the right answer is you shouldn't drink any alcohol. So in in addition to that the Quran also gave another scientifically correct statement. Science tells us today that the overall harm outweighs any good. Here's the study I'm quoting from. Um, it states over here, yeah, they have some benefit for the people. I'm sorry, this is the study I'm quoting from. This is from CNN. It states over here, many studies have shown that the overall health risks of drinking alcohol outweighs any good, any benefits. I'm sorry. The Quran word for word states this. It says, they have some benefit for the people, but their harm far greater than their benefits. Two scientifically correct statements. So in correcting the teaching of the Bible, how many correct scientifically correct statements? We find two. So the argument, oh well other people condemned alcohol in history doesn't work because nobody in history made two scientifically correct statements. Now let's look at a third inside the following. This is from Ibn Omar. He's narrating from the prophet. He said, "Whoever drinks, which is alcohol, and does not get intoxicated, his salah will not be accepted so long as any trace of it remains in his belly or his veins." His alcohol in the veins that was only discovered until recently. So in this one correction, what my opponent will have to answer for me is how do you explain Muhammad, an alleged prophet? If you say the false prophet, an alleged false prophet made three scientifically correct statements in correcting one mistake of the Bible. That is not humanly possible. Only a God can make three scientifically correct statements. So again, my argument is not that oh look, you know, the Quran condemns alcohol because other people have condemned alcohol. But nobody has made three scientifically correct statements in its so-called condemnation. So, let's go to our scorecard and let's go and check mark uh Muhammad g Islam gave the better answer on alcohol. Let's go to um the virginity test. Now, we all know from science there is no such thing as a virginity test. There's no way you can test a person's virginity. That is ridiculous and it is silly because we know that there are some women who are born without a hymen. There are some women who break it just do an exercise. So that's stupid. And then of course you got sexually abused women. In Deuteronomy chapter 22:17, it tells us that basically to perform a virginity test. I won't go too much in detail on that because I want to show you the the Islam's position that says the most wicked among you among the people in the eyes of Allah on the day of judgment is a man who goes to his wife and she comes to him and then she divulges, he divulges her secret. Well, what took place in that bedroom? Whether there's blood or no blood, there's no virginity test in Islam. Now, you find some ignorant, stupid Muslims who might do that stupid stuff. But what the prophetic Hadith clearly states here, there is no no such thing. So, and and and science has made it very clear that virginity tests are absolutely barbaric and they're stupid. This is I won't even show you the the references. Maybe I might show you one. Let me see. Uh, I can't find it. But anyways, if my opponent has some questions about it, I'll show you the the scientific reference for that. So, let's go to the scorecard. Virginity test. Islam gave a better answer. So, now we now know why Islam is um is is talking about the same talking points of the New Testament or the Bible. It's correcting the mistakes. So, how bad is this going to get? Both Jesus of the New Testament and the Islam both talked about washing hands. When these people came up to Jesus, the story in the Bible really funny story um you know they said you're let's get the verse uh in front of us over here. It says they don't wash their hands before they eat. They're complaining about his disciples not doing it. So basically to make a long story short, Jesus puts up this huge argument. No, you know, you don't understand. This is just tradition. You don't you this is you shouldn't follow man's tradition. Obviously, this is an act of stupidity when someone is telling you wash your hands before you eat because the CDC states very clearly here, hand washing is a healthy habit before you eat. Before eating, you need to wash your hands, please. Especially when you're dealing with manure and things like that, you can catch a tapeworm. The Quran, I'm sorry, Prophet Muhammad in his authentic Hadith states which I can find it over here. It states over here that uh a messenger of Allah wanted to sleep. He while he was in Janabah, he would perform Wudu and when he wanted to eat, he would wash his hands. The very thing Jesus was complaining about allegedly. And by doing so, the prophet of Islam wins the recognition of the scientific community. A second recognition we see in today's debate, efficacy of handwashing and soap and nail clipping, which is also taught in Islam. And so we can see from this article science today uh let's see. I'm sorry, let me get to you the article. I can't find it here actually. Here we go. Um the WHO actually praises Islam in the following article. Okay. World Health Organization state over here. The prophet Muhammad always urged Muslims to wash hands frequently and especially after some clearly defined tasks. So let's go to our scorecard. Who did the better job on on on washing hands before eat? Prophet of Islam. So I only got one more minute here, but I think you can see what's happening here. Islam is reversing the evil, sinister evil effects which was unleashed upon mankind by the teachings of the New Testament. From fetal alcohol syndrome to the death of six million Jews that and 2,000 years of suffering and persecution of pogroms all taught because of that one verse in the Bible and of course washing hands. Unfortunately, my time is up, so I can't go through all these other categories, but I think the four categories that we see on our screen is enough to draw the conclusion that yes, Islam is true and the prophet Muhammad proved it by basically giving better answers on these on these top on the subjects by than with the Bible. So, what my opponent needs to do, he needs to come up and say, "No, the Bible this the Islamic answers are inferior. They're not good. He needs to do is uncheck mark this and check mark Bible or just >> just uncheck mark it in some way and tell us why these are not better teachings. If he cannot do so then you should be rest assured the prophet that Islam is a true religion. All right, that's all I have.

>> Thank you very much for that opening. We are going to kick it over to Fearless Truth for his opening as well. But first, couple of quick housekeeping things. First, folks, if it's your first time here at Modern Day Debate, I'm your host, Dr. James Coons. We are a fully neutral debate platform hosting debates on science, religion, and politics. If you haven't yet, hit that subscribe button as we have many more debates coming up. Subscribe below. With that, we're going to kick it over to Fearless Truth. Thanks for being with us. The floor is all yours for your 15-minute opening as well.

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>> Cool. Cool. All right, guys. So, I uh I'm going to make this opening pretty short and sweet to the point uh because I'm very excited to get to the uh to get the rebuttals in the cross-examination because after that opening, I have a lot of things to say. Um, okay, so let's go ahead and get started. First of all, the debate is Islam true? Now, what are the claims of Islam? To actually be able to defeat Islam, we need to know what the actual claims are. Uh, first of all, Islam claims that it is the revelation from Allah. It claims that Muhammad is a true prophet and it is the final revelation amongst others that were already given by Allah. Now, some things we need to consider here when we're talking about whether or not it's from God and the Quran is from God and Islam in general is from God. We need to think, okay, number one, is it historical? Does it have some sort of historical basis or does it go against science? Number two, does it show proper continuity with the previous prophets? Is Muhammad in agreement with these other revelations that already occurred? And number three, is it logical? Starting off with is it historical? Well, we see that the earliest sources for Jesus' crucifixion, we have things like John Meyer's, a marginal Jew, which is going to be the um one of the quote-unquote accurate transmissions of the Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus. Uh, many people claim that some of them were some of the antiquities were sort of messed with and tampered with. Um, but here I give you a version that is widely recognized by scholars as the most accurate transmission which indeed does talk about Jesus' crucifixion. Also in Tacitus in the Annals, book 15, he as well speaks about the crucifixion of Christ. So in some of the earliest sources that we have, we have Christ being crucified. We have people that are neutral saying he was crucified and Josephus was actually a Jew. So, he was more than neutral and he said that Christ was crucified. Now, what he's going to have to show is he's going to have to show that these people were wrong and that he has some other historical basis besides the Quran because just using the Quran is circular. So, he's going to have to show more things than the Quran that show his claims that these things are actually historical. Now the next thing is does it have proper continuity with the previous prophets? So in basic syllogistic format, premise one, if a prophet is a true prophet, he must be in agreement with the previous prophets. Premise two, Muhammad is not in agreement with the previous prophets. Conclusion, Muhammad is not a true prophet. Now the question is, how do we prove that right? How do we show that he is actually not in continuity with the previous prophets? Well, if Muhammad came up to you in the sixth or seventh century and he said he was the last prophet in line with the rest of the prophets, how would we confirm he's actually this prophet? Well, we would go to the previous prophets and we'd see, do they actually match up? So, let's see if they match up here. Here are just some of the prophets that Muhammad contradicts. For example, Isaiah says the Messiah will die for the sins of the people and he will be cut off from the land of the living. That's Isaiah 53. Zechariah says the Messiah will be God. That's Zechariah 12 where Yahweh himself says, "They will look on me whom they pierced." Uh, Micah says that the Messiah will be eternal. Micah chapter 5, it talks about how his days will be from everlasting. David says the Messiah will be from God. That's Psalms 45 where he claims that he is God himself. Now, is it logical? So here's another basic syllogistic format here. Premise one, if the Quran is the word of God, then the Trinity is polytheism. Premise two, the Trinity is not polytheism. Conclusion, the Quran is not the word of God. So guess what? He is going to have to show that for somehow, for some reason, the Trinity actually falls into polytheism. And I would love to see how that happens and see how we can figure out if it's actually polytheism or not. Here's something my opponent may try to argue that I predicted correctly. He may try to argue scientific miracles. And so to that I answer, if this is the determination of prophethood, then the writer of the Edwin Smith Papyrus must be a prophet as is one of the earliest known works to be completely in line with scientific discovery. As well as every other scientific discovery before then that are accurate to the core, they all must be prophets according to that. Now what if the scientific miracles were true, right? Let's say that they were true. Uh, even if Muhammad got every scientific or every scientific prediction correct, if he's not in continuity with the previous prophets, it automatically rules him out of being a true prophet and there must be some other answer. Right? So if he goes against them, if he is in complete disagreement with what the previous prophets said, he at the very least is not in line with those prophets or from the same God that those prophets are from. So, he's going to have to say either one, that these other prophets weren't from God, or two, Muhammad isn't from God, or three, which would be the final and only logical conclusion, that God himself contradicted himself. So, we'll see what answer he comes up with. I'm excited to get into the rebuttals and cross-examination. And with that, I can see the rest of my time.

>> Thank you very much for that opening. We will kick it into the rebuttals and want to give you a couple quick housekeeping things. First, folks, if you did not know, I'm putting a link for our insiders list in the live chat right now. It's also in the description box. This is so you know when Debate Con will happen next. That's Modern Day Debate's official conference and Debate Con is happening this summer. We basically have the date. We're about to send that out to our insiders list. So, join that insiders list now so you can get promo codes for discounts on tickets as well as word before everybody else on when and where Debate Con will be. That we're going to jump into the rebuttals which are 10 minutes a piece. The floor is all yours and Nadir. Thanks for being with us.

>> Yeah. So, the big joke here is that he ended quite early. You should have taken that time to respond to the points which I've presented to you. It's almost like he was absent. Okay. So, this is going to be a long night for him. Now, I'm going to do my best to address all the objections. If I miss one, it's not because I, you know, that Islam is wrong. It's probably it's just on me. Maybe I missed something or you something like that. So, let me start. He says there's no continuity with the uh with the prophets inside the Bible is basically what he's quoting. Well, there's a very simple answer to that. The Bible is wrong. What the Bible says on the issue of alcohol is wrong. This is one of the many errors in your book and the Quran is correcting it. So there is a clear continuity. It's just that you have errors in your book like the like the you know the the virginity test. No true prophet is going to uh tell his followers to do a virginity test in the Bible which you which you see there and well that passage I I'll have to find it for you. But so these are clear mistakes in your Bible which the Quran and Islam is correcting. So you also talked about you want to see historical evidence for the crucifixion. I can show it to you but I think the crucifixion has been already debunked. Let me I'm going to share my screen here. The story of the crucifixion is an evil, wicked, sinister story. It is responsible for the death of 6 million Jews and 2,000 years of persecution and suffering. Don't listen to me. Every Holocaust scholar, academic has talked about that. I showed you um you know from the Holocaust Museum, Yad Vashem, the list goes on. So you you said you have to disprove it historically. I could Yeah, I could disprove it historically if you push me to, but I don't think I need to because you forgot about something called evil. It is a, you know, you have to also factor in the the fact that could this be a satanic corruption in your book? A true book of God shouldn't be responsible for bringing such death, suffering, and misery into the world. Now, I know what you're thinking. Well, no. It's just the ignorant believers who misinterpreted. This has nothing to do with interpretation. This is about incitement, inciting hate in people. That verse about where it says that Jews killed Jesus, it makes people angry, very angry. As we now know from history, Islam came and removed this theological driver of hate and brought peace, compassion, prosperity into the world. I have issued the challenge where where do you see any kind of you know where Jews if you go to Israel today, it is littered literally littered with refugee camps of throwing those Arabs and Muslims out of their homes and and and this is where they've been languishing in our Islamic history for 1,000 years. Where do you see any of that? You don't you don't because of the peace because Islam removed this theological hate from from from our beliefs. So let's go ahead and sh let's ask so I asked the question here if we make the assumption now this is just basically going to Chat GPT and I want you to also do this. I want you to take this paragraph and and and put it in Chat GPT and let's see what responses you get. So my argument here is oh look AI said it's okay. No, that's not what I'm saying here. Okay. If we make this assumption that Muhammad is a false prophet from Satan and in light of the fact and the Quran explicitly states that the Jews did not kill Jesus, thus removing the stigma and theological hostility, it it reduced one of the major drivers of religious hatred. So, how can you reconcile an alleged false prophet's correction that brought a certain level of peace into the world? While God's word allegedly 1 Thessalonians chapter 2:14, the accusation against uh the Jews of deicide brought persecution into the world. Okay, this is not about interpretation. This is about explicit reading of the text. It's about incitement. Post-Holocaust reinterpretations don't work. So, I keep going on over here. The verse is not being uh blah blah blah blah, but rather it's generating hate, thus causing the problem. The fact remained that Christianity did in indeed plant a murderous theological seed of that Islam in this one specific area uprooted. So then I finally asked in light of this fact, does the initial assumption make sense, yes or no, that Muhammad is a false prophet? How can you how does it make sense? Let's go and let's take a look at what the AI basically stated here. No. From Chat GPT. No. Within a Christian the blah blah blah. You can read this. No. And I want you to again do it on your side so that there's no biasness uh at all. So this is a good one from uh from Gemini. No, at least not within the framework that requires a perfect alignment of moral outcomes of divine origins. Okay. And let's go to uh Grok. No, this initial assumption does not make sense as it creates an irreconcilable paradox where a purportedly satanic deception fosters peace by alleviating anti-Semitic stigma. Okay, it doesn't make sense. Now, that's just AI. It could be wrong. It could be wrong. That's what you're coming here for. Fearless Truth. You are going to tell us how AI and of course this whole argument where they got it wrong and of course it could be wrong. Uh, it's wrong. It's wrong a lot. Sure. No problem. It could be biased towards me. But explain this to us. How is you asked about the crucifixion? This is why you should reject the crucifixion because it is an evil, wicked, sinister story. Now if you have any doubts about that, I will pay for your airfare. You're from Ohio. I will pay and give you five-star accommodations. I'll take and we will go to any Jewish temple in this country including the pro-Israeli uh ones and they will all agree with me. They will say that story in your book is evil and wicked and it needs to be purged. Uh Judaism is unanimous upon that by the way. So this is not just a Nadir Ahmed argument. This is what has been has been endorsed by all of Judaism as well as the Holocaust scholars. This one evidence alone disproves uh you know what you believe and proves Islam to be true. Okay. So I answered you're contradicting previous uh prophets. The Quran is correcting the the uh errors in your book. So one last point I know what you're thinking. you know that well no you know uh it's the believers who are responsible for the Holocaust. No, it's the Bible responsible because it introduced the idea. Introducing an idea while knowing it will likely cause harm or serious problems does create some degree of moral responsibility for foreseeable outcomes. True or false? Copy this and put it in your Chat GPT or whatever and it'll all say true. So there's no way you can absolve 100% responsibility from the sinister teachings of the New Testament. And this is why we say Islam is a religion of peace. So let's go back to um one of the arguments I brought I brought forth that the whole issue about fetal alcohol syndrome. I've pointed out that one of you know that in its correction, do you remember those three scientifically correct statements? Do not drink alcohol. Alcohol exists in the veins. That was only discovered recently. BAC, blood alcohol concentration, and the harm of it outweighs any good. In Muhammad, the Islam's correction of the Bible, it made three scientifically astonishingly correct statements. How does a mere human being do that? And is the Bible responsible for those fetal alcohol children? Yes. Yes. Because it administered a drug to a general population of people. So don't say stupid things like, well, the Bible didn't tell pregnant women to drink. It administered a drug to the general population, which included women, children, and it didn't warn them of the side effects. It didn't warn them that this is going to happen, that the bad things could happen. So now we can look at it from a legal perspective as well. The Bible does bear responsibility for administering this drug. Okay? So there is no doubt at this point from a scientific point of view, moral point of view, historical point of view that Islam is the true religion. Now I've only given you what I've given you in terms of the scientific evidence is just a drop in the bucket. There is a far more scientific evidence, but I feel like this is enough. I don't have time to really get into all of that, you know, but there's more. So if you feel like, well, I need more evidence, that's no problem. I can I can go ahead and give you that. So the question I have for you then tonight, which is a part of the Christian dilemma, how do you explain an alleged false prophet saving millions of children from fetal alcohol syndrome while the true Lord and Savior which you believe in let them perish? That doesn't make sense. It's like I give you an analogy. It's like a child is choking and Jesus is just watching him choke and then Muhammad comes and oh my god, what's going on and rescues and saves that child. Explain that to us. We're at >> a false prophet doesn't do that.

>> We're at time with that. We will switch it over to the rebuttal from Fearless Truth as well. And housekeeping stuff. Folks, if you didn't check it out yet, check out the Modern Day Debate Discord. Check out that link in the description box as well as I'm going to pin it at the top of the chat. Join 15,000 members in the Discord. Enter the debate arena via that link right now. With that, Fearless Truth, thanks for being with us. Floor is yours for your rebuttal.

>> All right, guys. Very excited to get into this rebuttal. So, we had multiple statements. First of all, start off. I wrote down all the notes on everything he said. Number one, he said I should have taken the time in my opening to respond to him. Uh, that's not literally not what opening's for. You don't respond to people's opening in an opening. That's why I didn't respond even if there was time left. That's simply not what you do. Um, all you showed me was the scholars in the Holocaust and that it it was evil and the Bible caused this. But whether or not this thing was actually evil, um, proves nothing about whether or not it is historical. Proves nothing. Even if it was completely and utterly evil, well, guess what? First of all, that's subjective. We have to prove objective epistemology and morals and ethics first. And secondly, it has nothing to do with whether or not it actually happened. Um, also you said Islam uprooted the hatred for Jews, which is interesting because if you actually read Sahih Bukhari 29:26, it says the hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews and the stone behind which a Jew is hiding will say, "Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." So interesting that Islam uproots the hatred for Jews. But it literally says, "The hour that you get to heaven won't come until you go and fight the Jews." So, who's really inciting violence on Jews here? It seems like Islam. Um, he gave up whether or not that the fact that Muhammad gave better answers in the Bible means it's from God. Whether or not Muhammad gave better answers has nothing to do with whether or not it is from God. He could give all the better answers. Guess what? It doesn't mean that Islam is from God. Um, he brought up quotes from Yad Vashem's YouTube, a Jewish Holocaust program, saying, "The Jews didn't do what the Bible said." Uh, no duh. It's literally a Jewish YouTube Holocaust channel based in Jerusalem. Of of course they're going to defend Jews and say it didn't actually happen. Wow. I am shocked, guys. Who would have guessed that? Um, also he brought the fact that Muhammad uh Muhammad brought Jews peace. Um, that's fine even if he brought them peace because according to Islam, there will be a time where they will fight with them. So that's not going to last forever. Um, he said the alcohol harm outweighs the benefit. Well, first of all, this is subjective. Whether or not something's harm outweighs a benefit is entirely subjective on the individual and what they consider to be um a better benefit than a harm. So, how on earth can this prove it's from God if it's a subjective claim? There's no way it can. Also, it depends on the alcohol. It says, "Oh, you cannot drink any alcohol." But there are plenty alcohols that we could say actually that the positives outweigh the negatives. For example, champagne. Uh, if we actually read uh when we talk about um uh for example uh Mayoclinic.org is one of them where it talks about how champagne is one of the best alcohols to actually have and it has a lot a lot of benefits and that it does not have any added risk. It says, and I quote, "Overall research suggests that those who drink regular limited amounts of alcohol, including red wine, seem to have no added risk or even a lower risk of heart disease, stroke, sudden death, possibly heart failure, etc." And so this has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it's from God either. Um, oh, he said this, and which I wrote down verbatim is what he said. This was hilarious. He said, "Only a God can make three scientifically correct statements." And I quote, "Okay, then the owner of the Edwin Smith Papyrus, the author of that, must be from God." Guess what, guys? The owner of that papyrus must be from God because he very clearly made three scientifically correct statements and we can't find any incorrect statements in there. So guess what guys, we have a new prophet and that's just one. Imagine all the others. So guys, we have brand new prophets every day. This is amazing. Uh he brought up handwashing. Um yeah, everyone knew handwashing was good. The point of Jesus bringing that up as to why he didn't believe it was good uh was saying that he didn't it didn't need to be done as a ritual practice. It it didn't need to be done as a tradition. Not that it shouldn't be done at all, but it needed to be done as a ritual. But whether or not he got that wrong still doesn't make the Quran true. Um, also he said uh he talked about how there was errors in our book. Well, if there's errors in our book, how do you know that the prophet was actually in continuity? You say you know the prophet was in continuity. Well, I rebuttal and ask, how on earth do you know that the prophet was truly in continuity if there was errors? Which parts do you decide were true? Which which which do you decide was false, etc. We have literally no clue. So again, to kind of uh go back to everything that we've already said, um we have him saying things are scientifically true. Uh again, those things are a lot of them are just subjective in the first place, so it doesn't matter. Number two, he's bringing up Jews to say that the Jews didn't have the Holocaust. No duh. Of course, they're going to say that. Uh he didn't bring up any sort of actual historical source showing that the Jews didn't kill Jesus. Not one. Not a single historical source. All he brought was uh people today like Jews saying it didn't happen. And so um yeah, so I think that uh there's there's we've seen no real evidence yet that the Islam is truly from God. And hopefully in the cross-examination we can see some better things.

>> You got it. We will go into the cross-examinations indeed. So these will be 15 minutes a piece. Quick housekeeping note. If you haven't checked it out yet, folks, check out the Modern Day Debate Facebook page where you can find juicy clips from all these debates. I'm going to link that at the top of the chat and it's in the description box. But that the timer is set for 15 minutes. This is meant to be intentional. In other words, each person getting their 15 minutes to ask the person questions. The other person who's answering the questions is meant to only answer. So, they're not meant to ask a question back. With that, Nadir will give you a chance to cross-examine Nick, aka Fearless Truth. Okay, I need to confront you on some of your misinformation. Actually, all of it was misinformation. You said some very stupid things and I'm going to share my screen here for you, okay? Because what it was basically it was a misrepresentation of what science says. I'm going to quote for you this article over here. This is from CNN. No amount of alcohol is good for your overall health, global study says. Do you not read? I read this to you and it seems like it just went over your head. Many studies have shown that the overall health risks of drinking alcohol outweighs any benefits. This is word for word agreement with what we see in the Quran. They have some benefits for the people, but their harm is far greater than their benefits. Do you understand that the overall harm outweighs any of the benefits you cited of champagne? Do you understand that?

>> No, I disagree and I think that

>> You're too stupid. Let's go to the next point. So the next question which I have for you is, you know, I've pointed out, you you try to point out to something about uh Edwin Smith's Papyrus. I don't know what he wrote here, but the issue which I'm challenging you here is on one correction. Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, made three scientifically correct statements.

>> I just want to be blood in the veins here.

>> Yeah. So my question is, how can a mere human being in correcting an issue make three scientifically correct statements without making an error? Go ahead.

>> Yes. The same way that the author of the Edwin Smith Papyrus

>> Okay. Show us it to us. Just don't make claims. Show it to us. What are you talking about?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. So the Edwin Smith Papyrus uh it was authored by someone around uh 800.

>> No. Share your screen. Don't just tell a story. Share your screen. It shows what you're talking about.

>> You want me to I do want to give him a chance. Say answer.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. I mean, I can pull it up, I guess, but yeah.

>> Okay. Sure. The Edwin Smith Papyrus is basically uh someone something that was authored uh way back in the day and it is something in which uh they talked about how uh the different bone structures are.

>> Okay, I don't have time for this. You if you don't have the evidence ready to share, then let's move on. Obviously, that's silly. That's silly. But the issue tonight where I think you have failed tonight. Remember I was showing you the the the criteria I mean for for for you to win this debate really you got to show remember the check marks I showed how Islam did a better job. You are not able to show no the the answers on alcohol are not better. The challenge I presented to you is okay let's take it pretend there's a time when we don't know about FAS and what and the effects it has to children. Before 1972, the answer which Islam gave that you shouldn't drink any alcohol at all if the people don't know about this stuff. So so I have I'm going to challenge you right now. Explain to me how the from a scientific point of view, how the Bible answers is any is better than the Christian answer. Go ahead.

>> Uh, yeah, whether or not the Bible was better than the Islamic answer doesn't make Islam true if I

>> So you were not able to okay, so we have seen that you have conceded that the Islamic answer on alcohol is the right is is a better answer from God.

>> Okay. So, but whether you can draw the conclusion of whether it can be from God or not, we could talk about that later. But also,

>> That's the point of the debate.

>> Okay. We we'll sum what I'm pointing. I'll I'll sum it up in just a second here. So now going back to your misinformation, as I've pointed out, I quoted to you the American Holocaust Museum, Yad Vashem, and every Holocaust scholar has talked about First Thessalonians chapter 2:116, that this verse is responsible for creating hatred and malice toward the Jewish people, which uh basically led to the Holocaust. So in response to the Holocaust scholars is and I pointed out how could a God write how could a loving God write something so evil in his book. Go ahead.

>> Yeah. Because I don't think that just because something is evil makes it false. I agree. I think that this happened. Now what happens from this right is based on the people after it. But all that's happening is they're writing down historical fact. There's no issue with that.

>> Oh, just writing down historical facts. They just happened to kill 6 million Jews. That that's your response.

>> Yeah. So just because they just because people do

>> I like the six million Jew fact. Yeah.

>> I want to give historical

>> I want to give you question.

>> Okay. Go ahead, Donnie.

>> Okay. Yeah. Uh just because people do bad things because of a historical fact doesn't make the historical fact. Mhm. But the but introducing an idea while knowing it will likely cause harm or serious problems does create some moral uh some degree of moral responsibility for the foreseeable outcomes. True or false?

>> Yes, absolutely. And that doesn't make it

>> The Bible is responsible for the deaths of six million Jews. Thank you.

>> Does that make it historically false?

>> Well, the problem Well, we can now ask the question. Now, Al, you wanted historical evidence. I'll give you historical evidence when when you cross-examine me if that's really your issue here. But so it's like the the the qu the question which uh which um you know the uh AI was not able to resolve this premise about Muhammad being a false prophet. It doesn't make sense. Grok AI and I want to give you an opportunity because that's just what AI is saying. You know I said is this premise true? If we make the assumption Muhammad

is a false prophet of Satan, and the Quran explicitly stated that the Jews did not kill Jesus, thus removing the stigma of theological hostility. So, this doesn't make any sense. How do you explain an alleged false prophet, you know, bringing peace into this world while the true, I guess, religion brought so much hatred and malice into the world? How do you explain that?

Oh, I don't think he did. I think when you actually look at the hadith, such as the one I read, he literally says we won't even have judgment day until...

The hadith has nothing to do with what I'm asking you now. You just said, "Oh, I don't think it did." I have just shown you the Holocaust memorial. I've shown you Yad Vashem. Every Holocaust scholar has made it very clear. So, my question to you is, are you going to reject all the historians while you're going to accept the so-called history for the crucifixion?

Yeah. The only thing that you've done is show me Jews defending Jews. Jewish sites are not Jews defending Jews. I'm quoting for you the the culmination. Again, you're misinterpreting the evidence. Okay? You're misunderstanding the evidence which is being presented to you. This is not because Jews said so. Okay? Keep that anti-Semitism to yourself. I'm quoting the American Holocaust Museum, which is a culmination of all academic scholars, whether Jew or Gentile, and they all, not just Jews, they all say that it was this verse which caused the Holocaust.

Do you understand this is not just Jews?

Which source have you given that isn't run by Jews?

Okay. Uh, I will... Can I? Can I share my screen? Do you guys hear that noise? Hey guys. Okay. Okay. Can... Okay. I'm sorry about that. Um, um, can... Did you guys, you guys hear all that noise in the background?

No.

I apologize if you did. Um, uh, yeah, let me, let me go ahead and share my screen real quick here. I got sidetracked by all the commotion in the background here. Uh, so, yeah, I quoted the American Holocaust Memorial. I quoted Yad Vashem. These are the two, these are the two sources that I quoted. Did you want me to share that that reference with you again?

Uh, we sure you can do the United States Holocaust one. It's fine.

Okay. I wish you were paying attention when I first, uh, when I first, uh, basically, uh, presented to you. Okay. So...

I mean, just saying if you want, I'm saying you can show it again. It's up to you. I don't care.

Yeah. Pog. Uh, let me get there. Okay. Let me share my, my screen here. Um, okay. I'm quoting for you. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Yad Vashem, we did that one. But they're Jews. That's why it's wrong. Here we go. This is the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. It states right here, "The false charge that the Jews killed Jesus." Hey, they're agreeing with the Quran. I love it. Which reinforced an official Christian teaching. These are the roots of the anti-Semitism. I also wanted to, uh, share with you, and now this is, uh, the Anne Frank. Let me go to Anne Frank. Anne Frank Foundation. Again, this is, this is from Anne Frank. I know this is really small. Let me make this a little bit bigger. It says here, "Christians saw the Jewish faith as an aberration that needs to be squashed." Uh, and Jews were sometimes forced to... I can't even find my reference here. Never mind.

Okay. So, there you go. I quoted the American, the, the, the United States Holocaust for, for, uh, memorial museum. But I also want to quote for you another good source here, or bad source, however you want to look at it. Question.

That is Adolf Hitler himself. He quoted First Thessalonians.

Here. This isn't meant to be. So he asked you what your source...

Can you please correct? Do you, will you correct yourself when you say it's only a Jewish people who say this?

No. My entire point is, just because people say that it's wrong what happened and that they use the Bible verses for this, well, guess what? People, a lot of the times, people use, for example, the slave Bible, right? To say that, okay, slavery is okay. Just because people use text in a wrong way doesn't make the text themselves wrong.

They're not using the text in the wrong way. It's inciting hatred and anger in them.

Hatred and anger in them.

These are meant to be questions. You're man. Okay. So this is how it works. Like a question would be like, so where did you find that source? And then they answer. And then you say, okay, and what year is it from? Like that.

Okay. So, okay. So this is something. Do you understand this is a culmination of all Holocaust scholars and academics?

I just... One thing is I...

To just say something and then to just say afterwards, "Do you understand this is true?" is like, it's a gray line where you're just taking a minute to make your case and then you're saying, "Do you understand that to be true?"

Okay.

It's meant to kind of cross-examine him, to put him in the pressure seat.

Okay. So let me see what else. So, um, the, the question, I guess, uh, I guess, I guess my question for you, James, real quick, is what kind of... I'm sorry, I'm a little bit confused in terms of what kind of questions I should be asking.

So, I'm just, I've noticed a pattern where it's commonly, you'll kind of repackage what you said maybe in a previous statement, and then you'll go, "Do you understand that this is true?" And it's kind of, it's, it's okay if you, as long as you give them plenty of time to respond. But usually, a cross-exam would be where you're, you're kind of trying to pin them down on something. But we give you a chance.

Okay. Let me, I'll ask another question. There, there, there is a hadith which says, you know, which the final, you know, the, the final day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews until they're like hiding behind a bush, and the Jew cries out, "There's a Jew hiding behind me." Beautiful passage. This is an... My question for you is, when you look through the historical references, can you show me any instance of any of this teaching inciting hatred which leads to violence or anger against the Jewish people? Can you show me one example of that?

No, I'm saying I think this is the historical reference that is saying that one day there will be inciting violence. Yes, absolutely.

Is that when the... Is that second coming? I'm sorry. Second coming of Christ. So it'll be God who will be judging them, right?

No, this isn't saying God's going to be killing him. This is saying that people will be...

You are obviously ignorant of the fact that this is a messianic prophecy, that this is when Jesus comes back in his next, next life, and that's what we say is that, you know, when God comes, he will, or, you know, when his messenger comes, he will judge his Jews. So, I guess my question for you. So when you look through the Quran and Hadith, you will never find any verse of the Quran which incited hatred, violence against...

Of course. You can never say never. But are you telling me you will never? You have no reference for that?

Yeah, I, I just gave you. I just gave you a reference. It's literally saying that the rocks will cry out and you will go...

That's not the question I'm asking. Show me in history where the teachings of the Quran or Hadith incited violence against Jewish people or any other group of people. Now, I can't think it never happened. But overall, would you agree it pretty much is not the case?

Yeah. The second coming hasn't come yet. So of course it wouldn't happen.

Okay. So up till now, there is no instance that you know of that this can, uh, that this is happening. So, you know, and we also talked about the, you know, so I will go back to my question here. How can Muhammad be a false prophet when he removed this theological driver of hate and brought peace into the world, while the true God brought so much hatred and malice into this world?

Because it's historically inaccurate what happened.

What's historically inaccurate? What are you talking about?

That Jesus did not in fact die at the hands of the Jews is historically inaccurate.

Okay. So what you are saying here is that you don't give a bleep about what just, what about the suffering this story caused, but you just say it's really historical, guys. It really did happen. I mean, that's what you're saying here today, right?

I, I care about facts. Yeah. I don't want us to rely on facts.

Can you see how evil this story is?

I, I, no, I, I don't think that it's evil to tell a historical fact.

Do you see the outcome of telling such a historical fact? What it did to the world?

Yes. I don't think that the people that used it to commit violence against the Jews is right. That is wrong. That does not take away historically accurate.

But it introduced this idea, so it bears some of the responsibility, which you just said. Yes, that is true. I will read it for you again. Introducing an idea while knowing it will likely cause harm or serious problems does create some degree of moral responsibility. You said, "Yeah, that's true." Okay. So my question for you is, do you not see now how the New Testament does have some moral responsibility for introducing this idea?

No. Again, just because it gives historical fact that does not means it...

Incites it. Alleged. Let's just go along with it. It gave this alleged historical fact. But can you now see how it is responsible to a certain degree for the 2,000 years of pogrom violence and hatred toward the Jewish people? Can you see that?

No. Stating historical fact doesn't mean you're responsible.

Okay. I'm giving you that. Let's just agree. I don't think it's true, but let's just give it to you. Fine. Stating some historical fact. But by you stating this historical fact, you lack wisdom. You're a dumbass for stating that historical fact because you should have known about what this was going to happen.

So, we... This is meant to be for questions. We're going to... And I'm going to hold you to the same standard, Fearless Truth, where we'll have 15 minutes. And I really do want to press you guys strictly for questions. Fearless Truth, the timer is set for you.

Great. So the Quran says the Trinity falls into polytheism. And obviously, if that is false, the Quran is also false. So, can you, uh, demonstrate how the Trinity falls into polytheism?

Yeah. Jesus is not God. So if Jesus is not God, that means you're worshiping three gods. Simple.

Well, okay. Can you show me how? I'm saying it says that if Jesus is God, then you fall into polytheism. It's not saying Jesus is not God. It's saying if he is God, it falls into the polytheism. So, can you prove to me that it is polytheism if we believe that Jesus is God?

Oh, yeah, sure. Well, first of all, you got to understand the Islamic perspective. Okay. The Islamic perspective is Jesus is not God. All this hypothetical union stuff that you guys believe in, that's all bogus. It's just stuff you're making up. And the burden of proof is upon the Christians to prove that Jesus is God. We don't have the burden of proof. Christians have never met the burden of proof. I'll give you an example like if I, I am not God. But I don't need to show you any evidence that I'm not God because the burden of proof is upon the person who claims to be God. Christians have never shown any proof that Jesus really is God other than quoting Bible verses. There you go.

Yeah. You don't understand the question. The question is, when it's talking about, it's saying hypothetically, the Quran is saying hypothetically, if he is God, you would be a polytheist. If you believe he's God, you fall into polytheism. So my question is not whether or not he's God. My question is, given the hypothetical that he is God, how does it fall into polytheism? The Quran is not making any hypothetical, uh, claim about who Jesus is. Now, if you want to look at it hypothetically, that maybe Jesus is God, okay, if Jesus is God, then the Quran would be wrong. I would agree with you if it's hypothetically true. But the Christians have no evidence to support the claim that Jesus is God. They only quote Bible verses. And the burden of proof is upon the Christians to prove this. I don't have the burden of proof. We can agree there's one God, but these other entities that people are claiming to be God. The burden of proof is upon you guys. And so therefore, the Quran is right. Just like I am right when I tell you I am not God and I didn't show you a lick of evidence. Why? Because by default, no man is God. So based on this, the Quran is right.

Okay. So do you believe that the Quran claims that if Jesus was God, it would be polytheism?

If the Quran claimed Jesus is God, it would be polytheism. Correct.

Okay, great. Now, can you demonstrate how Jesus is God, it would be polytheism?

Because you got God, you got God the Father, then you've got this other God, which is Jesus, who's really not God. So now you're worshiping two gods.

So how does two different persons sharing the same divine nature fall into two gods? Because that's what the Trinity belief is.

Okay. So you want to talk about how Trinity? My suggestion for you is you should talk about, you know, is...

I need to suggest you just answer the question.

Okay. So you want to know, okay, so what the Bible is doing, it's presenting more than one God. That's a statement of fact. But the wacky, quacky interpretation is that they're all one God. So if you just look at what is fact, what are the facts? The facts is that Christians presented three gods. Now, how they try to reconcile that they're not three gods, that's their wacky, quacky interpretation. So Islam is a fact-based religion. You go by what the facts are. You presented three gods, then go, then that means you worship three gods. Simple.

Okay. If the belief in the Trinity is that there are three distinct persons that have one nature and one operation of action, does that lead to polytheism?

Yes. Yes, it does.

Because it's just like a totem pole. You've got these three. Once you got three persons, okay, and you've, that means you pretty much got three gods. The, the issue here is this is all a new teaching. But before the advent of Christianity, nobody believed in this stuff. Okay? So, and in the wacky, quacky world of Christianity, they reinterpret the Old Testament to read their three-headed God in there. But nowhere in the Old Testament or in the Jewish history does it show any type of God, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. So again, I would repeat, it's the burden of proof is upon the Christians to show that this is a true understanding of God. And go reinterpreting the Old Testament and reading your God in there, that's a joke.

Okay. So you said that the three persons having one nature does fall into polytheism. Um, can you explain to me what the difference is between how you define person and nature?

Person and nature? Well, so I'm a, I'm a different person than you, but you and I can have the same nature that we like to argue.

Can you define person and nature?

Well, I don't think this is going to disprove Islam, but if that's what you want to talk about Trinity, okay. Uh, so person is like, you know, in terms of your essence, who I am. And nature is like some of your attributes. What, what are some of your attributes about yourself?

You don't think persons have attributes that are of their personhood?

A person has attributes of what?

You don't think that persons have their own attributes that aren't other nature but are of their personhood?

I don't even know what that stuff means though. See, from, from our perspective, from the Islamic perspective, we don't need to get into any of this nonsense because the Quran clearly states that Jesus is not God and the burden of proof is upon Christians to show that he is God and they don't have any evidence.

Okay, we'll move on. So, uh, you stated that all science of Muhammad is miraculous. Uh, in Sahih Bukhari 5687 says black human cures all diseases but death. My question would be, can you show us any studies or evidence that it cures, for example, sickle cell disease?

Uh, I'm sorry, could you share your screen and, uh, and share and what? I just want to see the hadith in front of me what you're quoting.

Yes, absolutely. Can you... I don't know if you paused the time for this or not, um, paused, but I'm gonna go ahead and pull it up here.

You haven't yet, folks. Hit that like button. I've got it paused for you. Pull that up.

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Cool. I'll go ahead and read it. We went out to Gali bin Abujar, and I'm probably mispronouncing those, was accompanying us. He fell ill, and when we arrived in Medina, he was still sick. Iban Abi Atik came to visit him and said to us, "Treat him with black cumin. Take five or seven seeds, crush them, mix the powder with oil, and drop the resulting mixture in both nostrils." For Aisha has narrated to me that she heard the Prophet saying, "The black cumin is healing for all diseases except for death." He says, "What is except for the Assam?" Aisha said, "What is Assam?" He said, "Death." Uh, what is the scientific evidence for this?

Well, I don't think there is any science against it or for it. We just don't know. Not enough research has been done on this subject. Uh, I mean, so we, we know though, as far as studies go, that there is zero evidence of this, uh, actually helping anything. And my question...

Where is that study? Where is that study? I don't believe there's anything like that.

Yeah. For example, sickle cell disease, the only thing that we know that the only thing that can cure it is a bone marrow transplant.

Well, we don't, we don't know that. We don't know the, we have never studied this human seed, uh, you know, uh, well enough. But I think what I've pro, where we could, where we could really get down and say, oh, in no way does a black seed, which was mentioned over here, in no way it can help in any of these other diseases. There's just no evidence for that. Is an argument from silence is what you're presenting. But I think I have already presented to you clear scientific evidence that no human being could have done, which is three astonishing scientifically correct statements, uh, uh, regarding alcohol, which you were not able to deal with. I do...

Go ahead.

Sorry, James. Um, yeah. All right. I know what you're going to say. Uh, so, uh, yeah. So, the question is, if this is a historical or is a scientific fact, um, why don't we see, uh, more curing all curing of this in Muslim countries, black seed oil?

Well, the issue here is we just haven't, uh, you know, done enough research on it. And in terms of its, uh, you know, in terms of its application, I don't think we've, uh, you know, we've even explored that. So I think this is just an untapped resource. But I don't think this is really going to disprove Islam because listen to what the prophet said, okay, in terms of what it, what, and some of his recommendations, uh, in terms of, uh, and if you say, okay, well, this is the black seed oil is, is not working or it's not working, therefore Islam is false. Can I share my screen over here real quick?

Yes. Uh, I'm going to share my screen so I can share this hadith with you because this will res... The time host, or this will answer you. Okay, it states over here.

Oh, so we pausing the time?

I, I am a human being. This is part of the time. You answer me. I'm... He said the prophet said...

"I'm a human being. So when I command you about things pertaining to religion, do accept it. And when I command you about things out of my own personal opinion, keep in mind that I'm only a human being." Okay. He also stated very clearly that, hey, listen, I also get information from the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians. So based on what they say, I'm also taking what the science of their time is. So if you feel like, okay, well, this is wrong, that's not going to disprove Islam. Okay. So here's the hadith which I'm quoting. I'm sorry. Can you read that? I know it's really small. I can make it bigger for you if you like. Would you like me to make that bigger for you? But I consider the the...

So listen here. What, what I'm showing you is what you're saying is not going to work. He says, "Listen, I intended to prohibit suckling during pregnancy."

Oh, hold on a sec. You said that you were showing him what he was saying is not going to work. But this is, this is meant to answer his question. So, not to rebut him as much.

Okay. So, the point here is, look...

Regarding question, just to be sure we're on the same page. Nick, forgive me. The original question is, why don't Muslim countries inhibit this black seed oil at the, so we see less diseases?

Okay, Nadir, you're pulling up the Quran. Is it in the Quran? The answer to his question he just asked.

It's not in the Quran. It's not in the Quran. But I think it is an argument from silence.

The Quran.

I'm sorry. What's... This is a hadith. So he's... I'm showing you. Okay. Is the answer in the hadith? Uh, it talk... Well, the answer in terms of his recommendations is he's giving information on how to use his recommendations.

So I think you're saying yes in that, but I'm not sure.

Well, I can read to you what it, what it, what it, what it says here. Uh, it says over here in the authentic. I don't know if you can see that. It says, "But I consider the Greeks and the Persians and I saw that they practice it without any injury being caused to children." So what you need to understand is, look, not everything which the prophet is recommending is coming from God. He's saying, look, I'm going to the Greeks. But wasn't going to... What's the explanation for what, why some Muslim countries do it? Like, I don't see how that, how you're answering his question.

Well, all I'm saying is I don't know why, you know, we haven't delved f more into the usage of black sea.

You don't know. We can move on.

Yeah. No, no, we, what I would say is that we don't, it is an untapped resource. Not enough research is out there. So, I think we need to do more research on that issue, is what I'm saying.

Okay, great. Move on to my next question.

Sarah 197 states, "John the son of Zachariah was the first to ever be named John." How is this the case when we have clear historical reference of others having the same name prior to him?

Um, I'm sorry, what Quran verse are you talking about? Sir 197.

Let me just pull it up for me real quick here. So the name there, well, I think you read an English translation, it says...

The name Yahya, which was not given to anybody before.

Yes, but it was so...

I'm not aware of that. Uh, I mean, yeah, we have multiple people named John before then. For example, John Heraclius, the name.

Yeah. Yeah. John Heraclius is Yahya in Arabic. It's the same name.

I've never, I've never heard of anything like that. I'm sorry. You'll have to show me a reference. I don't think that's true.

Yes. Uh, the name John Heraclius, he was a Jewish high priest born in 164 BC. Prove that the Quran is false. He was the first one.

Yeah, because this verse which we're quoting could be even before any instance of. Well, first of all, I've never seen anybody named Yahya. But this could have been revealed even before then. So, no, it doesn't make the Quran wrong. No, not at all.

Well, wait, but, but it wasn't. This is talking about John, the son of Zechariah. When was John the son of Zechariah?

I don't know. It doesn't give any dates here. It doesn't give any dates.

He was born in the first century AD.

Where are you getting that from? I'm not aware of any of that. I'm sorry. It just seems like you're making stuff up.

The lineage, you can actually look at the lineage of John and of Zechariah. Where would I get this lineage from? So, you're talking about the Bible.

That, that's one source. That's not the only source you can use to show.

I'm not aware of any of what you're talking about as being authoritative. So, so as far as dating, uh, 197, there's no way you can date it unless you're trying to use the Bible or something like that. But those are illegitimate sources.

Yeah.

Okay. So the question would be, if we can find that John the Baptist historically was born in the first century and that there was another John born prior to that.

Why do you keep saying John? You need to say Yahya. The name is...

Okay. Yahya. It's a, it's literally just Yahya transl. Okay. If we find that Yahya was born and the son of Zechariah was born in the first century and that there was another Yahya prior to that name Yahya, would this disprove what the Quran is saying?

Well, no. Because the Quran doesn't give any dates as to as to when this was actually, uh, you know, when this was actually revealed. So, no, it wouldn't.

That's why I said, if it's true that we find out that Yahya, the son of Zechariah, was in the first century and this other Yahya was prior, then would it be true?

You're saying that the Quran... I'm sorry, I'm a little bit lost in terms of what you're saying here. You're saying that the Quran was revealed... I guess I'm trying to... Where my confusion here is, you're trying to put a date on Surah 19, verse 7.

James, sorry, James, can we, uh, pause real fast? The comments are saying, uh, they can't hear us. Let me double check. I did see a little bit of buffering, but it should be fixed. Let me check. It says...

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Okay, we should be good now. Yeah. Cool. We'll keep going. Just wanted to make sure that was good. Cool. So, um, so I, I just move on. James, how much time do I have left?

Uh, only about a minute, not even.

Okay, I, I'll try to hurry up. Okay, so, um, we have, uh, so to be a true prophet, Muhammad must be in agreement with the previous prophets. And you said that, uh, that's not the case, that, you know, he is in continuity with the previous prophets, even though the other scripture has errors and is corrupted. So, how do you know if the, if the old scriptures of the prophets are corrupted? How do you know, outside of the Quran, that he is truly in agreement with the previous prophets?

Well, you know, when you say in agreement, uh, well, I think in terms of, of course, you're, you're right. The Bible has been changed. It has scientific errors, as we've seen inside this debate, as well as other errors. And so, when we see that the Quran makes certain claims, like, you know, that this is in continuity with what the prophets have said, you know, it's always referring to a specific instance, like to Tawhid, the oneness of God. All the prophets taught that there was one God and worship nothing else. We can look in, we, we have the Jewish references. The Jewish people actually concede to that. They say, yes, we accept that that the way the Quran is, uh, telling us about God, that is a right understanding of what God is. So they, they actually, uh, many Jewish people actually pray inside, uh, uh, I'm sorry, they, they don't see a problem praying inside a mosque. Why? Because they do accept that we worship the same God. So that's a continuity that we can see. It's...

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Yeah, I'm sorry.

We are going to jump into the Q&A, folks. We do have a number of questions, so we're going to try to move as fast as possible, but do want to remind you both of our guests are linked in the description box. You can find more, including at the podcast. We put all of our guest links in the podcast, as well as every episode of Modern Day ends up on Spotify, Apple Podcast, you name it. Find the Modern Day podcast and find our guests linked in the description box there as well. We're going to come in with this first question from two seconds as it loads. Oh, yeah, we have a lot of questions. We're going to move really fast. Phil F716 says, "This is the worst, most desperate attempt to discredit Christianity that I've ever heard. How embarrassing. Go look at the state of every Muslim country. Who do you think that came from? God or Satan?" They said, "Okay, so the, uh, we'll give you a chance to respond, Nadir."

Well, you know, I think he's just upset because he found out that his Bible is responsible for the death of 6 million Jews and 2,000 years of suffering and persecution. These are the world. This is what every Holocaust scholar talks about. Now, in terms of the problems in the Islamic world, if you can show me today that is actually Islam which is causing that, then yes, Islam would be false. But there is no evidence to suggest that. Um, but I think the argument which won tonight's debate is the fact that if you compare how Islam came and removed...

A lot of questions.

Yeah.

Just to, if you can respond to the questions only. Teran J 316 says, "My Maimonides, who is Jewish, who lived under Sharia, said, 'God has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael. No nation has ever arisen more harmful, nor has anyone done more to humiliate, degrade, and hate us.'"

Uh, we'll give you a chance, Nadir, to respond to that.

Yeah. I mean, these are basically what we call hearsay evidence. It is not a historical fact. You will find other Jewish, uh, scholars and academics who actually say quite the opposite and people in history. But Maimonides was also had some bad experiences with some Muslims. But overall, the challenge which I had, which we can see, go and look in the Islamic history. Where are all the refugee camps? There are literally, if you look around Israel, there are, you know, it is littered with refugee camps of unwanted Arab vika. They are not Jewish. Okay. If you look at the Islamic world, we have no Islamic persecution of Jewish people. That is a historical. We have no examples of gas chambers. We have no examples of the torture devices. In fact, we know from history that the Jewish people came to the Islamic world fleeing, um, uh, leaving Europe into the Islamic world. All of the historians, all the scholars accept that the Jewish people, although there was some bad stuff that happened here and there, the Jewish people lived better under in the Islamic world than under the, uh, than under the Christian world. But the main point which I wanted to mention was debate.

I thought that that was the main point. I thought that was the point of the question. Well, we'll go to the next one. Let's talk. God says, according to Sunan Abi Dawud 67, "Muhammad declares that water containing menstrual rags and dead dogs is still considered pure and not unclean." Nadir.

Yeah, wonderful hadith. Uh, so basically this water which you are talking about is the drinking water for millions of people today because there, there is a scarcity of water and therefore you have to make use of whatever water sources are there. And when he said, "Okay, and this water is pure," it's not talking about from a scientific point of view because they already know these things that, you know, when you're 30 years old and you're living in the desert, you know what water sources are, are available for you and how to drink water and how to purify it. So Muhammad is not giving any scientific lessons here. He's giving you a religious lesson, meaning it's not sinful to take this water. So there's a great deal of stupidity involved in such a question where you think that people in their 30s, 40s, living in the desert 1400 years ago, they don't know about water purity. That is a level of stupidity which is just unacceptable.

So from Phil F716 says, "You can't disprove the crucifixion historically. So you're going to deny the most documented event in human history. Islam is the only place the..." They said, "Islam is the only place on earth the event is denied. The entire globe disagrees."

No, actually, there are historical references. I asked, um, you know, I did say, hey, if you want some historical references to show that the crucifixion didn't happen, I was ready to share that with you. I, but this, the opportunity didn't come up in the, in the debate. But what you need to understand, and again, I stand in, in, uh, in, you know, with the Jewish people and the, and the historic, and the, and the historians. This crucifixion story is an evil, wicked, sinister story which is responsible for the death of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, as well as 2,000 years of suffering and persecution. That should be enough to disprove it that this is something from the devil.

But they're asking more about whether it happened, not the effects of it. I just want to keep us on task. No, it didn't happen because it's too evil.

Okay. This one from Dr. Shuz Troll says, "Why does the Quran mention Jews and Christians are the worst of creatures, showing hate?"

Mhm. Yeah. Bern, actually, there's a Jewish scholar named Dr. Bernard Lewis. He talked about this. He says, "If you look at the criticisms in the Quran, they're actually more criticisms." And Jewish people don't walk away very flattered after what they read about in the Quran. Here is the evidence of why Islam is a true religion. Now, that verse you quoted, now take a look in the world. Where has this verse ever incited hatred and violence against the Jewish people? Go to Yad Vashem. Go to, uh, the American Holocaust Museum. There are no Quran verses. There are no Hadith, but there's lots of Bible verses. So, this actually has backfired. This is actually showing that Islam is a religion of peace that in spite of its criticisms of the Jews and Christians, it doesn't incite hatred and violence to them. You got 2,000 years of history, or I'm sorry, 1400 years of history. Show me one occurrence.

This one from Cheron J 316 says, "Sahih al-Bukhari 3175. Aisha says, let's see, there is one. Let me just be sure because I know Aisha, that was a question or a topic we agreed wouldn't be covered tonight." Let's see. Uh, Taran J, I'll make it up to you. I need another question that's not related to Aisha because that is something both debaters actually agreed on not covering tonight. Brad Harvey says, "Nadir, who's your favorite scholar, Chik Shik, GBT or Iben Gro theor?" I think that they're accusing you of using AI.

Yeah. Well, you know, that's because, you know, these false religions of Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, they are terrified of the logic and problem-solving abilities which the AI brings to the to to the debate. So, you know, obviously it's going to disprove what they believe. So, what they're doing, they're heckling the AI to get it out of religion because it's going to expose their false religion. But if you notice how I used AI, I used it quite responsibly. I use it as to solve a problem and I asked you to take the same paragraph and put it in your AI so that there's no bias and if you do that, you're going to get the same results I am getting. It's not able to solve the problem. But if you notice my opponent wasn't able...

Joke. It was a joke about whether or not you use AI. Emperor Fat Ass Dog says, "If Islam works, then why are a majority of Islam, of Muslim countries on the top 10 worst places to live?"

Because they're not. Okay. That's that, you know, we have a long history. When Islam was revealed, we see that there was a great success of what we call the Islamic Golden Age, in which all of science was, well, you say the Eur, the Europeans of today, they based their science on the Islamic science. It's called the Golden Age of Science. What, what brought that into the world? It's Islam who brought that. So historically, we know that Islam brought success. It brought scientific advancement into to the world. Now, as for, you know, what we are seeing today, it is a result of confusion. And again, we go back to the scholars and historians. The scholars and historians all agree that they credit the religion of Islam for the Golden Age of Islam, which brought Islam into the world, which brought science and progress into the world. But I am not aware of any scholars or academics from the historians who say that, oh no, Islam is a result of the problems which we see today. It's people's misinterpretation, misapplication of the religion.

Taran J says, "According to Sahih al-Bukhari 3175, it says once the prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done." I don't know the cont.

Yeah, this is, well, you know, if I may point out what's what's going on here. I mean, all the arguments we're seeing in the debate, they're, they're, they're not talking about the arguments in the debate. They're trying to win the debate after the debate, you know, uh, they're trying to bring up all these issues which are irrelevant. But I'm glad you raised that up because this proves the prophethood of Islam. Okay, he said the prophet Muhammad was bewitched. But wait a second. If Muhammad was a satanic prophet, then there's no, he's, there's no need to bewitch him. Only a true prophet of God can be bewitched. Okay? If he's already satanic, then what the hell is the story? It doesn't make sense. And then we can go and look at all of the other alleged prophets, whether it's Guru, Gulam Miraa, the false apostle Paul, Joseph Smith, and the list goes on, and Guru Nanak. What do you not find in those stories? We don't find any stories of bewitchment upon them. Why? Because they are already from Satan. So the bewitchment story is has backfired upon that person. It's a powerful evidence for Islam because only true prophets can undergo that, not satanic ones.

Pretty satanic.

And I want to give you a chance. Fearless Truth. I know that you're chilling, so we're not ganging up on them.

Yeah.

But I do want to let you know you can jump in at, you know, with some of them if you'd like. In fact, a number of them because it seems like there are only questions for...

Nadir.

But keep that in mind going forward for sure. I'll just, I'll keep that in mind going forward for the next questions.

You got it. This one from Sha D says, "Question for Nadir. In Sunan Abu Dawud number 3844 says, 'A dip says dip a fly your drink. One one wing has disease and the other has cure.' How is this scientifically true? Two, how is this a healthy act?"

Yeah, has nothing to do with what we talked about. So they're just these are all these silly arguments they're learning from their Christian apologists. Uh, so that, that hadith has actually has been confirmed to be true. We now know from scientific studies that, uh, you know, that there, it has been proven that there actually is the antibiotic on the surface of that fly. So, and you'll see many examples of scientists themselves dipping the fly. So the, the, uh, you know, one of the things I would just please encourage these people who are raising this question, try to Google these same arguments and look for Islamic responses on them because what we are seeing from these questioners is that they have not even, they're just listening to one side of the argument here. You know, they're list, I guess they're sitting in these YouTube channels and listening to all this garbage about Islam, but they don't do independent research on it. So, yeah, uh, this is actually again has backfired upon them because we now know that science has confirmed. In fact, I'm going to read to you the article here. If I could share my screen, I could do that. It says, "This is from ABC Science." It says, "The surface of the flies is the last place you would expect to find antibiotics, yet this is exactly where the team of Australian researchers is concentrating their efforts." So really, what I would ask the people who are who are raising these questions, do your, you got to hear both sides of an argument and not just sit and listen to to these, uh, you know, to just these arguments against Islam because this, you should, you should know how I'm going to respond to this and then you should bring a counter rebuttal to my response if you did your homework.

I'll make a quick point to that too. Um, he said that the, the audience needs to do independent research on it. Um, it seems like Muslims don't do independent research on things because if they did, you would think that Muslim countries in the last 1600 years or 1400 years would have at least done some sort of research on the thing that Muhammad said cures all diseases. Yet, I guess 1400 years later, no research has been done to prove that.

Give you the last word, Nadir. Then we got to go to the next one.

Yeah, it's an argument from silence. And again, he was, I pointed out Muhammad gave the instructions when he gives, he said, "Listen, there are some things I give for myself and so you." And then he also said, "Look, I'm also studying from Romans and Greeks." So, uh, I'm studying their science and I'm, so he played many roles. And we need to understand that one of the roles is scientist, doctor, some of those roles. So even hypothetically, if you see that, okay, well, this something here is not working, that does not disprove Islam. Okay. And so, uh, he, my opponent had no resp to that.

This one from Jordan Lockan says, "You should go into your ChatGPT and ask it if saying that the crucifixion is false because people do bad things with a fact is a logical fallacy." And do want to remind you guys, we don't want you to use ChatGPT. I assume that you're not. But...

More.

Well, this all goes back to, you know, why the Christians are afraid of ChatGPT and and AI is because the AI will refute and disprove a lot of their arguments. And so it's not just them, all the false religions are doing that. From Hindus, Jews, Christians, they're afraid of it. I, but Islam is not. The point which I raised with ChatGPT is how do you reconcile Muhammad being a false prophet in light of the Holocaust and what we talked about today? They say, "No, we cannot. That's not something that makes sense to see Prophet Muhammad as a false prophet." So it's a, you can definitely use AI for problem-solving. It's a great problem solver. So what is going on is that Christians are heckling, they're heckling, uh, the, the AI to get it out of here, but it's not going to work. The AI is going to be imposed upon the infidels.

Well, what, what it looks like you're showing us that you're using AI during the debate.

That's what we're saying we don't want you to do is because you know people want to see you guys quizzed on your knowledge. Otherwise, they would just go ask these questions to AI themselves.

Yeah, that's exactly what I want them to do. And I stated that I said, "You copy this and well, I no, look at what the false religions are asking here to get AI out of religion. I'm not going to go along with it. We are going to incorporate AI into religion, into debates, and we're going to the arguments which you are presenting. We're going to definitely bring it in there."

You've been using AI to like help you this whole time.

No, I'm using AI to show that that's a problem you cannot solve. To see Muhammad as a false prophet, that doesn't make sense. And like I said, there is no reason why finance, science, you know, computer science, everybody is embracing AI except for religion. Why is it that religion is trying to kick AI out of it? That doesn't make sense to me. Islam is the only religion who says, "Yeah, come on, bring it." And the way you should use it is you start a conversation with it.

We don't want you ChatGPT during a debate, though. They like it. Okay. They It's like the people like we've already lost like 200 live viewers cuz they're turned off by it's like they want to see you guys in the hot seat being pressed on like what do you really know?

Okay, if it's for viewership then okay I understand what you're saying but remember how what I I said listen I said look at AI couldn't solve this problem so I asked fearless truth to solve this problem. You know the James, I'm going to tell you why people left this this this this debate. They heard some horrible things about Christianity that it is responsible for the death of six million Jews. This is why they left. Okay? And I know that because I've debated this before.

We we put out a formal statement on Twitter like a week ago saying we don't want people using AI like during.

I've never I didn't see that. I didn't see that. I'm sorry then. Not the case. I did not see it. Sure.

Let's just pretend you weren't using AI in this debate.

Okay.

They say, "James, you caught him. He just pulled it." Like, "Did you you can't pull it up on screen? What is going on?"

Well, I I if you Okay. If If these religious people that are following you don't want to use AI, you I didn't know that. I I I don't follow your Twitter.

Why not?

Okay. Not like And you can do it when you prep. Like it's it's efficient to use it when you prep, but like not if you're going to like feed it Nick's questions during the cross exam. Like you don't like because then it's not you're not being quizzed. It's just AI that's being crossed.

That that's fine. I guess in cross-examination don't use AI or something like that. I actually didn't know about that.

Ideally not at all throughout the debate like but this one from we're just going to pretend we didn't see that cuz layman apologist question for Nadier. But independent epistemic authority establishes the Quran over prior revelation without presupposing Islam. I don't understand. What do they mean by that question? I don't understand. Uh let's see. They say like is there something other than the Quran that we can know that it's the ultimate authority? Said are saying what independent epistemic authority establishes that the Quran is more important to than prior revelation like the New Testament without presupposing the Islam or the Quran is true already.

Yeah. So what is and that was in my initial presentation where I had the check marks I showed look the Bible and the Quran talks about these same things. So we could look at history, we could look at science and we'll just exclude AI. We could look at just these things and see who gave the better answer. And there is no question about it that Islam gave the better answers both scientifically and historically on these issues and that and if Muhammad was a false prophet that doesn't make any sense for him to be doing that. So this is where this is how you can be certain and sure that Islam is true. Like for one example I gave in it mere correction of the Bible on alcohol it made three scientifically correct statements. you know uh in his correction only a god could do something like that. This one from Emperor Fatass says, "So if Islam is true like you say, Nadir, then is it true that Muhammad?" Oh, that's right. This one from Phil. That one was a question that debaters agreed not to discuss tonight. Phil F716 says, "Time." Okay, we're looking for sincere questions. This one from Emperor Fatass says, "Can you guys please unban me on Discord?" Okay, whatever. Sean D says, "Question for Nadir. How do you how do you deal with the verses when Muhammad was bewitched for years and the verses about accepting the goddess the pagans worshiped?

No, I I don't know anything about the the last part, but the the argument about bewitchment, you know, this this uh this backfires. I I've already answer actually I already answered this question, you know, about bewitchment. It seems like but I can I can I can answer it again. If Muhammad was some kind of false satanic prophet, then he's already from Satan. There's no need for bewitchment. Bewitchment can only happen to a true prophet of God. And one of the evidences is we look at that we could we could look at all the other people who claim to be prophets whereas Gulam Miraa, Joseph Smith, false apostle Paul, we could look at Guru Nanak and the list goes on. What don't you find in their story? Any example of bewitchment because they are already from Satan. So this is actually an argument which which does not disprove Islam. It actually is an argument in favor of Islam.

This one from Brad Harvey says, "And dear, if Quran is God's eternal word, it has to get every scientific claim correct, not just three. It gets embryology wrong and plenty more."

Yeah. I've you know this first of all that's not true. The Quran is in 100% agreement with modern science. Now, I've had many debates, by the way, here on MDD on that topic. You can go and watch it. I'm still waiting for anybody who if anybody would like to challenge me on the scientific accuracy of the Quran. I'm ready for that debate. Anytime, any place, just set it up and you will see the Quran is 100% in agreement with modern science.

You got it. This one from Sha D's question for Nadir. Could say Sah Albukari 2926 but harmful to Jewish community.

I don't know what it say states there but but just to just to reiterate my point here is look we have now 1400 years of history. You could go to the museum sahib Bkari whatever that reference is not inside Yadvashm Holocaust memorial. It's not inside the Holocaust Museum. It's not all if you read the writings of the of the of you know anti-semitism and the history of the Jews you will not find sahibari there. You will not find any verses of the Quran which has been blamed for inciting hatred that leads to violence against the Jewish people. It does not exist not in Bkari or in any Quran verse.

You got it. If you haven't yet, hit that like button. We do appreciate that support folks with that. this one. Next question. Phil F716 says, "If scientific claims is what makes things true in a deer, how is the Quran true? Sun setting in mud, male fluids made in the rib. You buried your own book."

Now, I think uh this is uh what what's happening here. Let's just take a step back. And it looks like people are trying to win the debate after the debate. None of this has anything to do with what we talked about. So it looks like I argued an airtight case for the case of Islam, but people are trying to uh you know trying to bring up alleged scientific contradictions. But I will I will answer it for you very clearly. You know once again go back and look at the Muslim responses on these issues. Nowhere in the Quran does it say the sun goes yei in the Arabic into a pool of muddy water. Rather it say that in a pool of murky water. I say in surah 1886 what does tag mean? It means the way it appeared to the person. I think it was dul carame. So there is no scientific contradiction here uh at all. Go ahead. This one from do appreciate it. Humble servant says question for Nadir. How do you deal with sah albkari 2926 calling for violence against Jews while you say the Quran is quote unquote peaceful? It's sah.

It's the quote. It's the hadith I read earlier.

Yeah. It's a beautiful example of the peacefulness of Islam. It talked about that there will come a time when you know uh when when this is basically coming it's it's a messianic prophecy that Jesus is going to come and he is the one who will bring judgment to the Jewish people. But if you look through history again, go to the Yadvashm, go to any any Jewish source and show me how this hadith you're quoting incited violence towards the Jewish people or any type of crime. It did not. This is my point that the the what I point out this is Bernard Lewis actually talked about this. He's a Jewish historian, pro-Israeli Jewish historian is that look, if you see the criticisms of the Jewish in the Islamic scriptures is actually far worse criticisms than what you actually find in Islam. But it doesn't incite the Muslims into hatred and violence against the Jewish people.

I'll respond to that, too. I guess.

I'm not going to lie, saying that uh the stones will literally cry out saying to kill the Jews isn't inciting violence is uh that's something, man. Yeah. Well, if I can have the last word on that.

Go ahead.

See, this is the problem is, you know, you're seeing when it talks about the Jews are crying out. This is God's judgment coming upon them. This is not something which happens normally. So, as every Muslim sees that, we say, "Oh, this is going to be from God. God will do what?" And this is coming when Jesus will come. So, this is actually showing you that what Islam is saying is, "Hey, yeah, okay, the Jews got mistakes, whatever it is, but leave it up to me. I will judge them. You don't judge them. That's what the hadith is telling the entire Islamic world. And you have 1400 years of history to back that up to show you this has never happened. This one from do appreciate your question. E says, Nadir, a lot of Muslims and ex-Muslims complain about your dishonesty. Whoa. Don't you think being honest would be beneficial? Also, Hitler hated and killed Christians and ironically liked Muslims. Big surprise. Google is free.

Yeah, actually there's nothing true about what this guy is saying. You know, um, you know, from his tone, he's very upset. He's emotionally upset on what he's heard in tonight's debate. But what I would have asked him to do rather than just, you know, engaging in any kind of slander, you should have shown where my arguments are wrong. Show me where I've misqued the American uh, you know, Holocaust Museum or Yadvashm or any of sources. But you're not able to attack my arguments. Rather, you're attacking me personally. This is called ad hominem.

This one from Jordan Lockran says, "If we are to trust the historians and academics on what they say, should we also trust and accept what they say about the validity of Islam?"

Yeah. Well, we definitely can debate that, but you got to understand, it's not just when I say, look, the New Testament is guilty for the for the death of six million Jews. It's not just the historians. You can see this evil in the writings of of of Adolf Hitler. He quoted 1 Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 16. You can see it in the writings of Justin Martyr. He he can be rightfully called the first Nazi in the inside the church father's writings. He he quoted this. So you can see this heart this this evil seed of hatred being trickled down from Justin Martyr the church fathers all the way to Adolf Hitler and then finally its resting place inside the Holocaust Museum. So it's not just okay you're just blindly accepting the historians and scholars. You can look and see it for yourself. Now I'll give you one last reference. Uh Rabbi Tobias he was talking about he was physically assaulted by a group of Hispanic children. Why? Because he was accused of being a Christ killer. Okay, so you can even see how this is this this argument is creating and generating hatred even in today's time. In my last debate on this topic, two Christians became Nazis. Can you believe that? And I have that on my on my YouTube page. Two Christians became Nazis because they realize, yeah, yeah, this is this stuff all makes sense, you know? So no, even in today's time, you don't need historians and scholars to see this book produces and generates hatred toward Jewish people.

Yeah, I'll respond to that too. Um he says like things like oh all the historians talk about how uh you know that this incited the violence against the Jews. Um yet I think that we would be hardpressed if we look at all of scholarship to find a single scholar that does not believe that the crucifixion is historical fact. Go ahead.

Yeah. I mean, uh, rather, you know, you you're you're not looking at this from the point of view of good and evil. You should see that, hey, look, whatever happened on the cross or this is there could be something satanic about this and that's where you're being blinded. Now, in tonight's debate, I was going to show you references from historical references show that the crucifixion didn't happen. But it really the big argument you should be considering is how much of this story is from the devil. That is what you should be focusing on. Appreciated this one. Joel Abu says what what about is ISIS using Quran for terror?

No, they're not. What ISIS is doing? You know if you again we go back a good Google keyword search is um what motivates terrorists and there you'll get plent not not AI won't bring up AI we'll get plenty of post 911 research uh all of them exonerate Islam as a source of terrorism okay and this is also coming from government website but I'm going to give you even a bigger evidence for that look at Donald Trump look at General Petraeus these are people General Petraeus is an expert on the subject subject. He's a not only is he a general, but many people don't know this, but he's also an academic scholar. He's a graduate from PR from Princeton. He got his PhD from Princeton and from West Point. He talked about this. Nowhere does he blame Islam for the evil actions of ISIS. And he's an expert on the subject. Look at Trump. Trump is surrounded by hatefilled anti-Islamic bigots, but you'll never hear Trump accuse Islam of being the source for the violence of ISIS. Why? The research doesn't support it.

This one from Phil F716 says, "If your prophet is peaceful, why does the Quran call for ending the lives of Jews and Christians? Why in the last 50 years has radical Islam led to the deaths of more people than any other group?"

Well, first of all, the Quran doesn't call for the death of Jews and Christians. Actually, quite the opposite. You know, it calls for peaceful coexistence with this. But this is nowhere I mean what is undeniable which I think you're in in denial of is that the verse which I quoted that the Jews did not kill Jesus that did bring peace into the world. In the Islamic world you don't have uh this deicide meaning the killing of God or this type of violence against the Jewish people because of what they did to Jesus. That's just not in the Islamic world. Why? Because the Quran removed that theological seed of hatred. As for what you're calling radical Islam, well, that never existed before the creation of state of Israel. Before Israel, where was all this violence? It didn't exist. It was only when people invaded the Islamic world, made them homeless, and shackled them up in refugee camp. Millions interrupt to create the state of Israel. Then all of a sudden, this violence emerged. So, and historians, academics know that. Google keyword search what motivates terrorists you will see from the research papers that'll come up in that in that Google search Islam is not blamed for it. So you should base your belief on research not the um holy men of Christianity which is teaching you hate and malice toward their religion.

This one from Brand Duga says, "Blaming the Holocaust on the crucifixion does not exonerate Islam since Allah tricked everybody into believing Jesus was crucified."

It does exonerate Islam because this again this is not not dealing with my argument. I stated very clearly today that Islam removed that seed of theological hatred and malice which caused centuries of persecution. Islam removed it by saying the Jews did not kill Jesus. Now, as for who actually died on the cross, did Allah make it appear to them? All of that is irrelevant. That is irrelevant to what I'm saying, you know. So, what you're doing, you're shifting the goalpost. Okay? stop shifting the goalpost and deal with the argument you heard tonight. You should accept that the New Testament is responsible for the death of 6 million Jews. And that is an undeniable uh you know reality and and and I'm ready to take my opponent here into any synagogue where there's Jewish scholars and I'll sit him down and they will concur and agree with everything I said.

Yeah, I'll respond to that. Um, again, it feels like we're arguing more of feelings rather than fact. Uh, if if it feels like, oh, this is bad. This is a sad verse. Well, that has nothing to do, as I mentioned, with the validity of the claim, whether or not it's true. Whether or not people used this verse to cause harm, it has nothing to do with anything. I would say if someone were to use uh Sahikari 29:26 and they use that as a reason to kill Jews, I wouldn't say, "Okay, that automatically makes the Quran false." I would say, "Okay, well, that person is probably just using it in a bad manner." Just like in the same way these people who use these verses are using them in a bad manner. It has nothing to do with the historical facts. I like facts over feelings.

Yeah. Well, no, I've already refuted that in tonight's debate. I stated very clearly even let's let's take an example of the Quran the Quran verse and people were misusing it and and it led to this horrible suffering then yes you can blame the author of the Quran but as I stated which you did agree tonight introducing an idea uh while knowing it will likely cause harm or serious problems does create some degree of moral responsibility for the foreseeable outcomes. And please keep in mind what is it that we're talking about here. You are accusing the Jewish people of the most heinous sin worse than child abuse and the most horrible sin that you killed. My God. What do you think is going to happen when you stigmatize an entire group of people? Of course, bad things are going to happen. So, you know, this is just not taking a verse which says, okay, you know, uh, Jeff went up the hill and somebody used that to to create violence. It is predictable what's going to happen here. Of course, when you stigmatize people, they're bad things are going to happen.

This one from Do you appreciate it, Nadir? Which came first, Christians or the Bible? Jordan of Lafrren?

I think the Bible did. Yeah. This one from Let's Talk God says, "Question for Niger. If I hypothetically say quote I'm going to punch you in the face in the future," unquote, is that inciting violence?

If you say that I'm going to punch you in the face, well, if you tell other people, you know, some Well, yeah, it definitely could. I mean, it could incite violence. But you again this goes back to my point which I I mentioned later you know before that look at what's being said over here in the verse. Okay when you accuse the Jewish people not just of killing your god of the most heinous sin in the world but you're also accusing every Jew to be a murderer. The verse goes on and said that every Jew is a murderer of the prophets and they inherit this. Okay. When you say hateful things like that and you expect nothing to happen. Huh. Oh no, it's perfectly fine to stigmatize people. I don't all is well. No, when you stigmatize people with these type of allegations, then then yes, the Bible is to be blamed. It knew that if I introduced this idea what was going to happen. If you had that fornowledge, then yes, the Bible is to blame.

This one from Brad Harvey. Let's see. Yeah. says, "I think the real re lesson that I learned here tonight." Okay. All right. Emperor Fat says, "Doesn't the Quran's instruction in Quran 474 to strike and subdue disbelievers in battle contradict claims of it not inciting violence?"

Yeah, No, I think what you're Well, first, let me just pull up 474 real quick. Um, just so I I can read it. Okay. 47:4 when you meet the unbelievers in battle, smite their necks uh until you have you have crushed them. This is talking about what takes place in in war that when you meet the enemy, you fight them. But there's many wonderful teachings when it comes to Quran and war. Like for example, look at surah 4:91. Here it gives you the code of conduct, the military code of conduct of how you should behave on the battlefield. It says if your enemy is not offering you peace, their hands are restrained are not restrained from fighting you, then those people then you can take a hold of them and kill them. So what's wonderful is that the Quran has a beautiful code of conduct for the military to follow which which uh basically protects innocent civilians, protects children and especially you know uh you know committing atrocities or any kind of war crimes. So uh that's chapter 4 verse 91 and there's many other examples I can give you and that's a wonderful debate I would like to do if my opponent is up for it is Islam a religion of peace and you will see the Quran is a religion of peace.

This one from Sha D says question for Nadir didn't Allah make it appear Jesus was crucified and leading people to believe he was a writing it down and caused quote the issues later in history.

Well, this really is kind of not related, but okay, we we go we can we can uh deal with that. So, basically, it was made to appear to them so that Jesus was crucified, that he was saved from crucifixion. You know, it's a beautiful story. Why? Because it brought peace into the world. That's why that's the number one reason why I believe it. But as far as who took this story and made a religion out of it, then that is a false prophet named Paul. The same Paul who is responsible for the death of six million Jews, it's first Thessalonians is his authorship, I believe. So, yeah, I he wrote 1 Thessalonians. So what happened was in Christian history, a demon-possessed prophet named Paul, he corrupted Christianity and took whatever happened on the cross and whoever died out there and he made it into a religion. So he is the one to blame, not Prophet Muhammad or Islam for the for this false religion of Christianity to be created.

I'll speak on that too. Can I speak on that too? Uh I'll say uh that is actually a beautiful question. Uh because as he said if someone does something knowing the outcome will be bad they should be morally responsible. Well if Allah did this thing where he made it appear so knowing the outcome would be that the Christians would make a religion off of it and that people would die from it. Then guess what? According to his own way of thinking Allah is now morally responsible for the killing of the Jews. Well, not really because you have a demon-possessed prophet who can come and start false religions. I mean, and now that's actually a theological question for for for all of us. Why is it that there's false prophets? Paul was a false prophet just like Gulam, Mir, just like uh uh I'm sorry, Sahiba, I'm sorry, um Gurunanak. So, hypothetically, we could say, yeah, false prophets all eventually is the will of God. So, in that sense, yes. But look, the problem here is yes, God can bring evil into the world. He brought Hitler into the world. Your religion shouldn't that has nothing to do with nor religion. It's not something that Islam is teaching this. God brings the evil to the world. But the problem which you're not understanding your religious textbook shouldn't be bringing evil into the world. That's a difference. Go to the next one. This one from Sha D. Let's see. Question. Did you hear seven dates cure all poison?

Yeah, again this goes back to, you know, we don't have enough science to prove or disprove these issues about dates or whether it's black seed. It's just we don't know. So these are all arguments from silence. But like I said, you know, the rather than addressing what I was really sad, rather than addressing the core argument which I raised today that Muhammad saved millions of children from fetal alcohol syndrome and he did so by correcting, you know, by making three scientifically correct statements into the uh that, you know, there's blood in the veins, I'm sorry, alcohol in the veins, uh the harm of it outweighs any good, and don't drink alcohol. These are three scientifically correct statements. So all of that is being ignored. We don't care about that. Let me look for some errors in your book. All right, that's fine. But I wish you had please look at the scientific evidence which I did present into this debate.

I'll speak on that as well.

Um, so yeah, it's just funny because you would think that if a prophet who got everything scientifically true literally gave a cure for every single disease that if you were smart, you would say, "Let's study that." because we guess what we have the cure for all diseases. Let's study it. Let's do it. But for some odd reason, they're just like, "Ah, nah, it's okay. 16 14 years later, nah, we don't need to do that."

Yeah. And if you were smart, you would understand that that argument has been refuted. You should have listened to the hadith I quoted. If you were smart, you would pay attention to the reputation of your argument than just being bad. B AD. This is called born again double down where you just double down on your original argument. Look, let me remind you fearless. You are in a debate. And in a debate, you need to respond to your opponent's arguments in in their reputations. But you're not doing that. You're just being bad. Born again double down. This one from do appreciate it. Big West says, "Is is Nadir saying we shouldn't share the true but bad parts of history? Tru the truth is the truth. It's evil to censor the truth.

There's nothing truth about your book. I mean, in terms of the crucifixion here, the issue here is what you're not what there is a systematic refusal here where they keep talking about this crucifixion being historical stuff. There is a systematic refusal to to look at at the prospect, hey, how much of this crucifixion story is from the devil? How much is, you know, the teachings of of Paul? Could he have been a a demon-possessed prophet? That is not on the table here. You don't want to look at the evidence. Look, there's no way around this. A book which is responsible for 2,000 years of of suffering, pograms, and violence, that cannot that story, that crucifixion story cannot be from God. Okay? That's it is too evil to be from God. And you're like, "Oh, you know, all this evil, let's just forget about it. Let's look at the history of it." That is dulu.

This one from Yeah. Um I don't think that it's delusional to want to look at the facts and not feelings. I think it actually makes sense to do that. Um again uh whether or not these things cause atrocities, it doesn't matter because uh morality is objective. It's not subjective. So to even start off with how we know things are morally good or evil, we first need to start with finding out who God is because God is the one who decides what's morally good or evil. So you're kind of putting the horse, you know, before the gun here and you're saying that we need to find out what's moral and then we can find out who God is.

Yeah. If I could say the final word that look when you look at Ashwitz Dhaka and you and you read the history of Holocaust, this is not just being emotional. Okay, this is pure evil. All right. And the fact that you are not able to see this is really sad. But the the argument is not just okay look the Bible is bad. The issue is look the Quran removed this evil which causes suffering and you know it is not there and based on this you cannot look at prophet Muhammad as a false prophet. Now I tried to bring up AI. I was told not to do it. Okay fine but it was not able to solve that problem and neither were you able to solve it.

This one from James 219 apologetics says given your statement about science in the Quran making it true paraphrased.

The science makes it false. Correct. Like 22:5, 23, 12-4, 40, 67. It says parentheses uh 75, 37-39. Parentheses, man is fashioned from a blood clot. Also, ad homs are fallacies.

Yeah. No, blood the verse which you're referring to about where it said that man is fashioned from a clot. Uh this is actually not an error. It is a a scientific miracle. So this argument backfires on you because we now know from modern science today that the word clot, it actually has three meanings. Clot is one of them. Alaka meaning something which I'm sorry, something which clings. The word is alaka, something which clings. And let's see, clot, something which clings. And I'm forgetting the third one. We now know from modern science that the embryo in this stage matches exactly what we find. um you know it's something which clings and yes it is very much like clottish because at this time you've got still blood in it and it looks it looks very similar to to uh you know to to a blood clot. So this actually shows the scientific accuracy of the Quran. And this goes back to you know what really needs to happen here is a debate on is the Quran the Quran in modern science. Uh and and my challenge is there. Find somebody who wants to debate me on that.

This one from tag dog says dear how would you feel if you didn't if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?

Uh I feel hungry. You got it. E says polytheism. Surah 38 verse5 says, "Has he made the gods one single god?" And then they say, "This is truly astounding." And surah 112 verse1 Arabic says, "Allah is a or one of notwah which means one god." I have more if you'd like.

Yeah. Yeah. Surah 38:5 doesn't teach polytheism in any way. I think what you are you're this is an argument of the disbelievers where he's saying they're accusing the prophet of Islam that he has reduced all the gods into one god. Indeed, this is something totally astonishing. So I think what's happening here is he's misreading the Quran for poly purposes.

This one from do appreciate your question. Let me see here. DJ says, "Nick, could you provide scripture to counter Nadir's statement regarding prophets being Satanfilled if Jesus gave authority over unclean spirits? Does that not show God protects his servants rather than fulfills them with Satan?"

Yeah, I think uh Galatians 1:8 is the perfect example for that. Galatians 18 talks about that even if an angel were to come to you, but they they preach another gospel, then let them be accursed. Um that's, you know, going to be the main thing. I mean we see that uh if they preach something other they should be accursed. All the prophets in Christianity are in agreement. But then when we get to Muhammad we see he disagrees all the prophets. He disagrees with when Isaiah says for instance the Messiah will be unall alive. He'll be killed right using Tik Tok language here that he will be killed for the sins of the people. And so we know that according to Galatians 18 they give us they show us when a prophet is demon possessed and it is obviously Muhammad and not any of the prophets in the Bible. Mhm.

Yeah. So, all you have to do is just read Jeremiah.

I want to give I hate to do it, but just because you give you the last word on all of them, I want to give one to since they asked him. Mr. Deal says, "Nadir, Quran 4:157 says, "It was made to appear that Jesus was crucified. Since witnesses included his followers and others present, were they also deceived or only those who wanted him killed?" And all, by the way, folks, we we can't take any more questions. We want to get these guys out of here at a decent time. So

Sure.

Please don't submit any more questions. I'll put that in the live chat.

Yeah, I would say yeah, I would say it's just though his actual disciples, I think they they were uh it was not made to appear to them. I think they knew what was going on. It was only those non-believers that it was made to basically rescue Jesus and save him.

This one from do appreciate it. Joel Babu says, "Question for Nadir and Nick both. Who is the Ezra that Jews apparently worship as per the Quran? Allah partheses Momo's alternate personality is clearly clueless.

Yeah, this is an argument from silence. Uh just because you know you don't see or hear about anything about an Ezra, you know, therefore the Quran is wrong. So it's a logical fallacy. Uh, you know, trying to and again, you know, I would ask you why don't you take these arguments on your own time. Don't do it up here. Just put them in Chad GPD. put him in Grock and see if it would even agree with your false reasoning, it will immediately point out the fallacy in your argument. That is an argument from silence. Uh, you should do that first before you bring it up.

Yeah. Um, I promise if you put into chat GPT, um, did any Jews in history ever worship Ezra? It will say no. We have no evidence of that ever occurring.

It will never say that. No, it will never say no. Okay. So, that's absolutely false.

Want to test it?

Yeah. It will never say no. This one from Maisha's goat says question for Nadir. If Muhammad allowed deception, why trust his revelations? Bkari 3032, Muslim 265A, Abu Daw 2637, Quran 662 Chad GBT.

No, that that was that was me because he said no that you could never ever put into LGBT did the Jews ever worship a man name of Ezra and it wouldn't say no. So I just wanted to prove him wrong on that real fast.

Oh, okay. All right.

It does in fact say no.

No, it does. It doesn't say that. But anyways,

you want to like put it up on James if you don't want to because you don't need.

So you know the the Yeah, the James just went off on chat GPT. So I'm not sure why you're bringing it up here.

because I asked you if you wanted to test it.

You're not supposed to be doing it. I want to prove him wrong, James. That was it.

You know, you got you got I asked him to do it on his own time, not in this debate. You just heard James reprimand everybody here.

This one. Okay. So, wait.

Well, can I answer the guy about the deception thing?

Okay.

Yeah. So, I would ask you to read your own Bible in 2 Thessalonians 2:1. And it says over here, "And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion that they should believe a lie." So this deception, this tea uh and macarine, this is all in your book. It's not in our book.

This one from main says, "Question for Nadir. Tell us step by step what happened from the point enemies went after Issa life till point Allah raise Issa. Who were there? Allah made it appear." So what appearance did people see get crucified?

Yeah. So what we believe is that Jesus was saved from the cross and what we believe is that somebody else was made who was put on the cross. Uh so actually when you talk about okay look we have historical evidence that Jesus was crucified we actually don't have a problem with that because we know that somebody died on the cross and it was made to appear to them so that somebody who kind of resembled Jesus. So this is how God saved uh Jesus from the crucifixion. Now, some say, "Okay, wait a second. It looks like there's some deception involved." Well, don't wear camouflage. When you wear camouflage, you're pretending to be part of the shrubbery in the bushes, but you're not. You're deceiving people. Okay? So, when it comes to fighting your enemy, fighting wars, then yes, you can kind you you you can deceive them. Um, from this is just going into the philosophical issue, but I would ask you is to focus on the evil this of this crucifixion story in your book. I would ask you to look at the at the horrors and suffering it has caused for 2,000 years. This is a very disgusting evil story in your book that you are just say, "Oh, that Holocaust stuff, nah, never mind." So, who exactly died on the cross there? No. Look at the evil that this book has brought into the world or this story has brought into the world.

This one from do appreciate it. Tracer eraser lace says, "Fearless truth. Does the Old Testament showcase the doctrine of the Trinity? Would you be able to show verses that showcase this?

Yes, absolutely. Um, we have, for example, Genesis 1:26 where it says, "Let us create man in our image." If you talk to scholars such as uh Dr. Michael Brown, he says very clearly that those words are not being used in a sort of uh plural like plural sense or anything like that. No royal majesty is used there in any way. Um, we have many cases of this. We can see in Exodus 3, the angel of the Lord who is Yahweh or Genesis 19, who the angel of the Lord who is Yahweh uh throws fire and brimstone from Yahweh out of heaven and back onto earth. Uh so we see many cases where there is a someone named Yahweh who was betrayed but yet there is multiple persons who have that name and they all in unity and all called God.

Can I respond to that?

I don't want to. The only reason is just because we g you the last question for all of them. Um, exag scientifically incorrect, the mustard seed being the smallest seed or the flies having antibiotics? Also, what is worse, not washing hands or drinking from a well that has dead animals in it?

Yeah, we've already talked about all that, but okay, to answer your question very clearly, uh one of the uh scientific errors in the Bible is that it says the mustard seed is a smallest seed you plant into the ground. It's false. It's not the smallest seed. They're actually bigger seeds. The Quran also uses the mustard seed. And so we see that it actually it it doesn't mention it or any reference of it being the smallest seed. uh in terms of the fly you know that argument which was supposed to be an alleged you know uh contradiction on Islam or scientific contradiction it has backfired. It has shown the uh the accuracy of it which you were not able to refute. As for drinking water from the dirty water that was refuted uh by pointing out, you know, that level of stupidity that people have when they read our scriptures that they're thinking the prophet of Islam is teaching people at at in their 30s and 40s how to drink water and water survival techniques. These are things which they learn when they're three or four years old. And they're not coming to Prophet Muhammad to learn water science. They're coming to say, "Hey, is this sinful? Can I do it or not? Will God be angry?" So, drinking the dirty water that you read in the hadith, millions of people are drinking that water today. And that unfortunately was a case even during the life of prophet of Islam. The prophet Islam gave the right answer. Yes, go ahead and drink it. This is not something which is impure in the sense that God would be that you would be held accountable or sinful for this to to drink from there.

All right, respond quickly. Uh, yeah. So, the mustard seed is talking about in the Bible. Um, in that region, it obviously would have been the smallest seed they would have known of. So, he's not going to say the smallest seed is blank and it's a seed they've never even heard of because they're going to be confused. They're going to use the mustard seed because that's the the smallest seed that they were familiar with.

Can I respond to that?

If it's super piffy, I'll give you a quick response.

Yeah. So, here we see the wacky quacky world of Christianity. These are all these false assumptions and silly interpretations that they have to come up with to defend the scientific errors of the Bible. However, when I defended the Quran and the hadith, I did not do what he did. Come up with these silly interpretations. You should bring facts. If you give me a fact, I give you a fact right back. So that's the difference between Islam and Christianity. Christianity is a fake religion. F AIC false assumption of the ignorant credulous person but Islam is a fact-based religion and that's what we have seen tonight one person gives you a fake one person gives you a fact.

This one from do appreciate your question Joabu says if only true prophets can be bewitched was Abraham Moses and Jesus bewitched.

No, the story we don't have any reference of that story of them being bewitched but the argument is is clear. If he is already a satanic prophet and he's spreading all kinds of evil and a false teaching, what the heck is Satan doing trying to bewitch him? He's already from Satan. That is why you don't see, you know, uh people like Gulam Meza or Joseph Smith or um or all the or apostle Paul, all these other people in history who have claimed to be prophets. You will never see a bewitchment story on them because they are already from Satan. So why would Satan waste his time doing these things? It doesn't make sense.

This one from Emperor Fats. Nadar asks, "Modderern day debate to not talk." Let's see. You got that Brad Harvey says, "Question for Nadir. How do we know he stopped being bewitched? Please answer with no yap."

Well, what so basically the the effects you know which happened there was actually a couple of instances but that was only temporary and I'll have to go and look at the hadith for you on that but remember uh the the Allah is protecting this religion from any kind of evil and you want to know and the great beauty the biggest evidence of that is chap chapter 4 verse 157 look how how the verse one verse of the Quran brought peace harmony and goodwill into the That is not the result of bewitchment. That is a result of a true God. That's how you know he's not bewitched.

Jordan Lockin says, "Let's say that Christianity is to blame for all evil in the world. Can you answer my question now? Do we trust the academics on the validity of Islam?"

Well, it depends. Uh, yeah. What the issue is? Definitely bring them in. And I've brought them in here tonight. I've pointed out that the academics, historians and scholars, they do not see the Quran or Islam as a source of the violence which ISIS has done has done. I'm sorry. And when they look in in history or you go to the Yadvashm Holocaust memorial or any of these, you don't see any Quran verses. So the historians and academics do endorse Islam in that it is not the cause of violence. whether it's you know the the the history of the Jewish people or whether it's u you know the violence which

We see today. So I can confidently say based on scholarship, Islam is a religion of peace.

This one from do appreciate it. Ag says, "Nadir, your argument had holes. I watched this with my Muslim coworker and he broke his fast because you raised Shabahhat about Islam. By the way, Abu Bakar Albagghdadi, ISIS cites Bkari to recruit jihadis."

Well, so everybody is okay. When it comes to like issues of like, okay, come and and and fight in the way of God, everybody can use that. But when it comes to actually doing the evil things he's doing, like killing innocent civilians, uh, things like that, no, he doesn't use any any kind of uh Quran verses. But again, you're not listening to the uh to the scholars and academics. I quoted one scholar, General Petraeus. He, in addition to a general, he is also an academic scholar and he's an expert on the topic. He has studied this very well. Why don't you listen and follow him? Why and see if he says any of the nonsense which you believe in or what these Christians are telling you. Again, the Google keyword search on that is what motivates terrorists. Uh, tons of articles from academic references, uh, post 9/11, uh, research which exonerates Islam. Read the research.

This one from I want to remind you folks, both of our guests, Fearless Truth and Nadir, are linked in the description box. And we've got some more questions here, but I want to remind you, you can find their links at the podcast description box as well. Dan Slab says, "Nadir, ask ChatGPT about parentheses escaping atonement in Sunni Islam. I dare you."

We're not supposed to be using. Well, of course, you know, the audience, they don't want ChatGPT, as I said, because it will expose their false religion. And so, I guess in tonight's debate, we're not going to be using it. But maybe, uh, you know, you can come to my YouTube channel or something like that, and we can we can use that. And we can, and and definitely that the point of the AI is not just that, okay, look, this is what AI says, that's not the point. You have a conversation with it. So you could put inputs and try to refute it and that and have a conversation with it. So there should be nothing wrong with that. The only thing I don't, the only reason I'm like not into AI is because people like it when, you know, they talk smack, for example, on Twitter or elsewhere, and then they're like, "Oh, good, you're in a debate. Let's see how much you really know." They want the possibility that the person gets caught without an answer. But if they're like, "Oh, let me just quick ask AI. Like, AI, like, to feed me the answer." There's nothing. The stakes are no longer the stakes. There really aren't, because it's just like, "Oh, well, they're just going to get AI."

I agree.

And it's, it just also feels less.

Uh, you can use AI, don't get me wrong. I want to be clear. Use AI to prep for debate. Like, yeah, that's efficient. Like, I use AI to look up things like, you know, what are the best sources I should read if I'm going to do a debate on this topic? Great. But like, if it's live during the debate and you're like, "Can you just like type it word for word like the question that you hear as an example or something from their opening?" It's like, it's kind of like, it's like the stakes are high when ideally you would just be what you know or your notes. Like maybe, you know.

That's why I say that. But this one from Civil Way says, "But whose fault is it that the people believe that Jesus was crucified? In a dear, is it not Allah that caused this? Why should the blame blame on us when we were made to believe that Christ was crucified?"

It was Paul. It was Paul who's responsible for that. Okay? All God did is he rescued Jesus from the crucifixion. Then a demon-possessed prophet, the same prophet who authored First Thessalonians, who is responsible for the death of six million Jews. It is that satanic prophet who is the one who then created an entire religion, um, illegitimately off what happened in the crucifixion. Okay? So, no, Allah is absolved from that. It is Satan who entered into the world who did that, which is through Apostle Paul.

This one problem. Do appreciate it. Save by grace apologetics says, "How the hell did Paul make up the crucifixion when historically Paul was killing Christians for not denying Jesus was resurrected?"

That that's what he claimed. But these are all, you know, you shouldn't just blindly follow some prophet who came after Jesus and just accept all his truth claims. That that that's true for Islam, and that should also be true for Christianity. Yeah, he claimed, "Oh, I saw Jesus, you know, on the road to Damascus. You know, Paul, Paul, why do you persecute me?" But how do you know that story is not made up? Today's debate clearly proved he is a demon-possessed prophet because he is responsible for the death of six million Jews and 2,000 years of suffering and misery for the Jewish people. So now we know he is a false prophet.

Just respond to that real fast. Um, I don't think he knows that Paul came after the story of the crucifixion already occurred. So he couldn't have been the one to originate it.

He didn't invent the story of of the crucifixion, but he he built a religion around it.

This one from Shaun D says, "Question. Didn't you say demon possession was a sign that you are from God? According to your standards, Paul is a true prophet."

No, I didn't. I did not say demon possession is a sign of the true prophet. I said that somebody was bewitched, you know, where some magic, uh, magic was imposed upon him. I said that doesn't happen to prophets which are demon-possessed because they're already demon-possessed. That that that is illogical. That's irrational. So, the the the prophet of Islam was never demon-possessed. But yes, you will read in Hadith that there was magic being being uh done upon him. I, and I guess I should have used the word magic versus bewitched. So, in that sense, yes. No, it that cannot happen to, uh, you know, is a if if this was a prophet who was already a false prophet, you would this would never have happened.

This one from do appreciate your question L2A says, "9/11 was pure evil. Although we wouldn't generalize Islam based off bad characters like..." Let's see. This one from Rumble Snort says, "If the crucifixion story is so evil that it's from the devil, and Allah made the crucifixion appear to have happened so people wrote it down to share, how is Allah not the devil in this situation?"

In this situation, as I've explained over and over again, it is not Allah who is responsible here. It is the false demon-possessed prophet Paul who is responsible for building a religion off of the crucifixion. He is the one who is responsible here. It's not Allah. Allah basically just took Jesus, took him up to himself and made it to appear as if he was being killed. Good. This should have ended right there. Nobody should be talking about it anymore. But then a demon-possessed prophet, Apostle Paul, came and built a religion off of that. Okay? So, he is the one who's responsible for this.

This one from Grumble. I got that one.

James 219 apologetics says, "Me. I'll argue your scientific dysfunctional book. Okay. They say they want to debate you."

Sure.

Civil says, "Dear, do you think the Holocaust wouldn't have happened if Allah didn't make it appear that Jesus was crucified?"

It would it would not have happened. Of course not. The reason why this happened was because of Apostle Paul. That's First Thessalonians. He's the author of that. He is the one who said the Jews killed Jesus. Allah never told him to do that. Okay? So, it's a it's false Apostle Paul who's responsible for the for the for the Holocaust.

Says, "Nadir, is it true that Satan urinates in the ears of some people causing them to miss the call to prayer? This is a Hadith. Again, is your intent is to mock and ridicule? That's perfectly fine. These are not really arguments which disprove Islam. But I, you know, the way I look at it is you should look at the arguments which was presented in this debate and challenge the evidences which I've presented. That's what you should be doing rather than getting angry and mad and trying to find ways to heckle at Islam."

This one from Issa Kabir says, "I'll take the modern science challenge. Uncle Nadir."

Yeah, go ahead and set it up. Uh, you know, James is right here. Um, he's sets it up. I've issued the challenge to debate Quran and modern science. And I won't mention any names, but pretty much all the so-called apologists here, they would they didn't accept the challenge. But I, and that's the difference between Islam and Christianity. Christians don't debate the scientific errors in their Bible. Only Islam takes up this challenge. So, if Issa Kabir wants to do it, let's set it up anytime, any place.

You got it. This one is from M. Nadar, is it true? We got that. Sorry. Main Man says, "Qu, Nadir, if Allah has power to raise Issa, why did he have to do a trick to make it appear so? Isn't it game over for the mob trying to kill Issa the moment Allah swoops Issa up? The switch is pointless."

Well, you know, it seems like James, it's the same question being repeated over and over again. It's like I'm giving the same answer about about who died on the cross and saving Jesus from crucifixion. Uh, I think, you know, I don't want to bore people by just saying the same thing over and over again.

Oh, wait. But so.

Unless it's a different question. Maybe it's a I'm not understanding.

This is me not trying to jump in the debate myself. It is like genuinely trying to understand because I, I don't, maybe this question was asked, but I think like they're just saying like, did Allah need to like swap someone in if, uh, if he's just like, if he just swoops in and takes Esau off the cross or prevents him from going off on the cross, like you don't need to put someone else there unless you had a reason for putting someone else there.

Yeah. You know, this is according. Yeah. I mean, why did God do it in this specific way? Uh, this is part of God's will and plan. And we can, and and yeah, it probably is part of God's will and plan that he knew ahead of time that a false prophet was going to come and he was going to build a religion off of what what about this alleged crucifixion and he was going to introduce into the world unimaginable suffering and persecution because of this. God knows that. That's perfectly fine. But what my point here is, a religious textbook should not be the result, the cause of this suffering and misery. Whether if it's the Bible and the Quran, it should bring good, happiness, peace, and love into the world. And yes, God is responsible ultimately for the evil and the good which comes into this world, but not his holy books.

This one from and then Mm. We did read your question. Uh, let's see. Nadir said you were mocking and you weren't serious.

Is that? Yeah, I'm confused.

No, no. They, it was someone in chat said that their question was read and I said, "We read it about four minutes ago. It was about if Satan urinates to someone's ear."

Yeah, we definitely read that prayer. But Issa, or not Issa, sorry, I'm like, I'm apparently out of it. Nadar, you had said, "But to like, so is it, it might be a metaphor, is that what you're saying?"

You kind of said, "Hey, you're just mocking." And I think they're saying, "But you know, they they felt like you didn't engage with the question." And because I think they said, you know, so I'm not trying to impress you on it. But maybe it's a metaphor or something. Is that what you're saying?

No, actually, I'm not sure what exactly I wasn't engaged with what what they were mentioning. But I thought felt like, you know, some of the questioners, they are trying to heckle and mock, which is okay. I have no problem with that. Uh, you know, if they want, if they want to do that, but I, I feel like I'm answering the question the best I can here.

You got it. This one from I just want to because, uh, this one HQ49 says, "Question. If Islam is true, then Allah caused Christianity to raise. What kind of God will deceive billions of people?"

Yeah, again, I'll respond to that. The same answer. It is Allah basically rescued Jesus, uh, you know, and and saved him. But then it was a false prophet who came after Jesus named Apostle Paul who built the religion around this story of the of the crucifixion. And he is the one, he is the one responsible for for inventing Christianity, not Allah. But at the end of the day, God is responsible for all the false religions, including the true religion. He is ultimately responsible for that, whether it's good or evil. And I think Christians believe in that too, as well.

You got it. And then with that, folks, I want to make sure that we get the debaters out of here at a decent time, especially because my guess is you guys are in a later time zone than I am. I'm in Pacific time. So, if you guys are in, where are you guys? Remind me again.

Eastern time zone.

I'm in Tampa, Florida.

You're, so you're in Eastern time. So, that means it's like 11:30 for you and.

Yeah, it's 11:30 for me right now. Yeah.

We got to let these guys go. So, folks, sorry. I know there are more questions. I, I tried to pin it in chat to say that we could not take any more questions after that certain time. So, sorry, we're not going to get to those questions. I do want to get these guys out of here so they can get to decent rest. But want to say, find our guests in the link, links in the description box. Both Fearless Truth and Nadar are linked in the description box as well as the description box for the podcast. If you're listening to this over there, find out more on their reviews by clicking on their links below. But thank you so much, Fearless Truth and Nadir, for being with us.

Thanks for having me, man.

Appreciate. Thanks a lot. Bye-bye.

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