The Rundown! Kirk edition

We were in the middle of our tournament when my friend John said he found a body in the bushes over there. I ran over there 'cause I'm a healing monk to try and help. But obviously my magic wasn't strong enough 'cause the dude's body was missing a head. So my friend decided to try and use a necromancer spell, which didn't work, which I knew it wouldn't. And apparently we contaminated the crime scene because that spell uses a lot of glitter.

But let me first say I think we as Protestants and Evangelicals under-venerate Mary. She was very important. She was a vessel for our Lord and Savior. I think that we as Evangelicals and Protestants, we've overcorrected. We don't talk about Mary enough. We don't venerate her enough. Mary was clearly important to early Christians. There's something there. In fact, I believe one of the ways that we fix toxic feminism in America is Mary is the solution. Have more young ladies be pious, be reverent, to be full of faith, slow to anger, slow to words at times. Mary is a phenomenal example and I think a counter to so much of the toxicity of feminism in the modern era.

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Political radicalism needs a catalyst. Political radicalism does not come out of peace, prosperity, rising wages, stable families, church attendance, and happy people. Happy people, grateful people do not get behind Vladimir Lenin and they certainly don't get behind Chavez or Castro. That's right. People that own nothing, that feel like their property is diminishing or they don't have property or their dollar is diminishing in value, they start to look for alternatives. And so the political project in front of us as conservatives should be how do we actually de-radicalize the country in the next couple of years? That's my that's my obsession. And that's why I say I try not to think about all this other stuff because it just, you know, it's so much brain space.

My number one obsession is I I know what is coming next. It's wrong to murder a baby. You're not murdering a baby. It's not a baby. What is it then? It is an embryo. What species is the baby in the womb? It's a human. But therefore, they should have human rights. No, I do not agree. Oh, so so small humans know human rights. Grown humans human rights. It's not a small human, it's an embryo. It has a heartbeat. It has brain waves. Make it a child. The excuses given for abortion is dehumanization. Oh, it's just an embryo. Guys, that's just using different language to justify the massacre of something smaller than you.

If I were to be pregnant right now and forced to have a baby, that would ruin my life. If I just happen to be pregnant. Oh, you don't happen to get pregnant. It's like not like getting the flu. Okay. You don't get the flu. I know. How about this? You take responsibility for your orgasms and stop eliminating people smaller than you. So, you're saying I should carry a baby and ruin my collegiate life? How about this? Instead of saying ruin, first of all, babies are a blessing. Stop talking at them as if they're some sort of annoyance. I will have to drop out of college. Number two, you you play certain games, you win certain prizes. If you're going to go have sex. So, you're saying I should drop out of college to support my child. I'm supporting my life. I'm saying if you're going to engage in coitus, in the practice of having children, you might end up with a baby. So, know that. And guess what? You don't need to have sex before you get married. It's not like showering. It's not like you are married. Yes. Two beautiful children. I can tell you.

[Music] And [Music] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Good evening. We come back to you unfortunately with the somber, horrible news as uh as we've all seen. We don't need to go into it. We are not, not out of respect for the family, human decency, and everything else, going to play the the video of uh, you know, Charlie Kirk's assassination. There's really no other word for it, frankly. And but that is the the chief subject tonight. Also uh, you know, what's going on in Rome if we get to it, if we don't get consumed entirely in the Charlie Kirk news.

Um, so so the first thing, as you saw in the clip in the beginning, he seemed to be on a journey toward the faith. His wife is Catholic. There are pictures of him attending mass, holding his children, present at mass. Um, you know, he's spoken very positively about Our Lady, as you saw in that clip, which, you know, I've known some Protestants that have done that too. They just simply look at the scripture and say, "Well, all generations to call me blessed. Why don't we do that?" Oh, that's too Roman. It's like, well, yeah, but the scripture and and that can be a catalyst. Our Lady, you know, is a catalyst leading souls to the church. And maybe he was on that trajectory. We pray um that he was brought to that trajectory, certainly.

Um, but then we have to get to the brass tacks and the ugliness and the the the horrible, horrible, you know, and what it shows about where we're at. Charlie Kirk was just shot on the college campus in Utah. Is it bad? Charlie Kirk was just shot at his campus in Utah. Why are you laughing? He is my friend. Your first reaction to Charlie Kirk is a dick, and you're smiling and you laugh that my friend just got shot. You had the audacity to laugh. If you think shooting Charlie Kirk is justified because you disagree with his political opinions, you need to study your heart because this is what abortion culture has done in our country. Our abortion culture has told people, do you guys think it's justified or a good thing that Trump got shot? Were you guys Did you guys laugh? What you all did? You're laughing. So today when we were setting up, someone said, "Fuck those babies. Kill them all." That's what. And you laughed again. So that and then I could produce those videos ad nauseam of liberal reactions laughing, celebrating. You're seeing um, you know, major figures, universities saying this is a great thing, we need more things like this. Um, they're excited about this, whereas I don't know about us. If that happened to even somebody we couldn't stand on the left, um, even someone as evil as George Soros, you know, we'd start, what do you do? I I would start praying for the soul, even if I saw that there's some like benefits that the world reaps because the evil they're doing, they're not doing anymore. I'm not celebrating a man's death, you know. It's instead praying for his soul because death is that great equalizer. We all sit in, and that's where I sit. I open it up to you guys. Liberal reactions, what does this show about the state of the country, the divide, etc.? Uh, James, let's start with you.

Well, it certainly, it certainly shows us um, to those who haven't been paying attention. Um, that we're much, much further down the path of no return. Um, where people right now cannot understand that this is not a game. It's not a video game. You know, you don't. That's it right there. Yeah. Yeah. You don't win points and then lose points. You get one life and that life you live on earth, hopefully uh determines that when you die, your place in eternity is not an everlasting hellfire. These people do not understand that. We're so far gone in this culture that we do not understand that life and death really means something. In death, there are only two options for you. There's heaven and there's hell. Anybody who gets shot or hurt, the Catholic mind immediately goes to the question or to the hope, well, I hope this person was in a state of grace because nobody, even for us who hate uh the work that James Martin does, we all always end, you know, um, we hope someday he converts. We I mean, hell is not for what we were created. We were created so that we could do work here, you know, uh, and hopefully end up in paradise. And these people do not understand that. And this is the state of our society today is people celebrating this on Reddit or any other channel in public where Kristen Hawkins was um, and where Charlie Kirk was. Actually, there were people in the crowd jumping up and celebrating this. These are the people who just don't understand what life is about. It's not a game. And um, if we cannot have any sort of discourse with these people, any sort of civil discourse with these people, you know what? Maybe not just civil discourse. We just can't have any discourse. It can be heated. I don't care about that. Let it be a heated discourse. But you got to have discourse. You can't simply throw up your arms and pull out a gun and then snuff somebody out in front of the wife and the two children and say, "Great, you know, I win. He loses."

Mike, um, yeah. So, uh, you can't have, uh, you can't exist in the United States without having seen the snuff film. Uh, I don't know what happened like when that changed that it suddenly became okay that we just like show the murdering of human people all over social media on TV. Uh, just 48 hours ago, we were all watching the snuff film of this Ukrainian uh refugee um, and you know, and with and no one as well. Um, I think the thing that is so shocking to me besides the fact that it's like, I guess okay to just show people getting killed, we're in the Hunger Games now and people are not only desensitized to it, but they sort of like like it um and they want to see it and they're drawn to it and they're retweeting it and and and all that. Um, that part is shocking. I think the the the callous disregard for human life um on, you know, is is something that is not really surprising to me, coming from from leftists, though I it's it's, you know, we we live in our little in our bubbles and and we're we're all friends in real life, the four of us, and sometimes we get to spend time together and sometimes we don't, depending on where we live and whatever, but but we spend time with people like the four of us that are on here, and we're surrounded by people who are normal, sane, rational, um, and and Catholic. Um, and by the way, I don't just hang out with Catholics. I get along really well with, um, with non-Catholics as well. And so we are somewhat insulated from these these freaks. And so then we're continually surprised when they show their teeth. But they've been showing their teeth really since the beginning of time. Um, but certainly since um, since um, the Bolshevik um, and well, well, the French and Bolshevik revolutions. And, you know, I'll just I'll just end with something that I was told by a very famous priest um, someone who I think all four of you know um, two of you know him better than I do. Um, but I was at a private conference that he was giving, and he basically said, you know, and this was like 10 years ago, and it really stuck with me because I've been internally trying to debate this this advice that he has given. Uh, and he basically said, with communists, you look with with with sinners, you you got to convert the sinner. You know, with communists, you don't, you really only have one rec. You just have to exterminate them. Um, you can't reason with them. There is no there is no discourse. I I I agree with James. We need to have like uncivil discourse. I don't care. You can scream at me if you want to. Um, but communists, you you can't you can't scream at them. You can't reason with them. You can't demonstrate evidence with them. Um, there's there's just something unnatural about it. There's almost something demonic about it. And um, and so no, I I I actually don't think there's any possibility of a return to civil discourse with these people. And I think that that really removes a lot of uh options from the table. It only leaves one. And you're not allowed to say what that option is. Of course, this priest said what it was 10 years ago, and I was like, kind of jarred by that. I now believe that he's he's right.

Matt, honestly, the what comes to mind right now is our Lord's uh discourse about what the end times are going to be like in Matthew 24 and 25. And he says in parts, I'm in uh chapter 24 starting on verse 9. And he's talking to the apostles and explaining what's going to happen, you know, before he comes again in glory. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and you shall be put to death, and you shall be hated by all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be scandalized, and they shall betray one another, and shall hate one another, and many false prophets shall rise, and shall shall seduce many, and because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold. The last phrase is what really sticks in my mind. You know, sin has many effects on on our human nature. It it darkens the intellect. It weakens the will, but it also makes the heart depraved more and more as we as we go further down the rabbit hole of sin to the point where we start to lust after evil. And I think I mean, the the people in that the young people in that video kind of exemplify that that they just think about how much evil they have seen and consumed through various forms of media in their young lives. Like they delight in seeing. They think of the forms of entertainment. We are entertained. We entertain society by seeing people raped and murdered and, you know, all these kinds of atrocities. They don't even have a concept, but it's all, as James was alluding to, they they think of life as like it's virtual reality or a video game. They have no concept of of the real-life consequences of these horrible acts. Like to them, they they don't seeing the video of of Charlie being murdered, it's like, "Oh, no big deal. I've seen people get murdered on screen millions of times." Like they it just doesn't register for them anymore, and they have no empathy for for other people. Um, so that's kind of what's been on my mind. I mean, I didn't I haven't really followed Charlie Kirk much. I've been trying to learn a little more about him in the last 24 to 48 hours. And that video, you know, the first thing that came to my mind to post about um last night when I got home from work was I'll just read what I wrote. It says on Twitter, as Christians, we are commanded to weep with those who weep. It's from Romans 12:15. So I said, you know, we we should be weeping with his wife and two young children who have been robbed of a beloved husband and father in such a horrific manner. And also that video of him publicly honoring Our Lady. And I saw somebody else post about St. Alphonsus Liguori. I know Ryan, you're extremely familiar with his work from your uh work of translating his his stuff. Yes. Just a little bit, right? And they said something to the effect of, you know, if somebody is showing confidence in Our Lady, that's a very good sign that they are going to be saved. Because she always takes care of those who who love and honor her. So basically, and it was very um very providential the date that he said those things that he did. It was July 16th, the feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which he probably wasn't even aware of. Um, and you all heard what he said, so I don't need to repeat that. But, um, I just said, you know, let us hope and pray that Our Lady responded to that act of his by advocating for Charlie at his particular judgment. And I think we can, you know, have reasonable hope that that was the case.

So, you know, very, very well said, Matt. And just to chime in, just one more thing before you carry on. Uh, Ryan, is when I saw that video on July 16th, I thought to myself, "Oh, wow. He is on a journey." And he doesn't know this, but Our Lady has got him. Yeah. She's got him. Yeah. And I was reassured uh that he was on a journey to, you know, the faith. He may not he may not have known it, but when you utter words like that, um, Our Lady has captured you, you know, so let's hope that was the case. Mhm. And if the the comment is in there that he was an RCIA, you know, he's baptized, suggests that that, you know, he was at some level, you know, ready to is gradually accepting various propositions of Catholic faith or was disposed toward it. So, which is an extremely good sign for his final end. Absolutely. Indeed. Indeed.

But um, all right. So, you know, we see the left as violence and and equally in and this is kind of where my mind is at. I'll kind of set the table for this and we'll see where we can get. There's like a lot of plot points with the shooting where I look at it like there's just something is just not adding up here in terms of, you know, what we're getting. Oh, darn. Mike's gone in. Mike will be back. But um, I needed him for some of the technical details on this. But so one for years like the entire Biden administration, white supremacists, white supremacists, you know, they're more you they're painting, you know, almost as feverishly as English Protestants in the 1600s. We're talking about Jesuits hiding under every nook and cranny, right? White supremacists are everywhere ready to come out and kill us. But right-wing violence just isn't a thing. There's very few cases of it. Whereas it's almost always left-wing violence. You get a fentanyl addict that um is tripping out and dies as a result of the police trying to to restrain him and then you the whole and now they go and burn down whole cities. You have uh and praised for it by the media, we might add. And then you've got all of these killings like we just mentioned that uh Mike mentioned the the Ukrainian woman who was stabbed on a train, which again, we are not going to play just out of human decency to be watching that kind of thing. But, and again, you know, it's almost celebrated, right? But but where's the actual? You got the things with uh almost all the violence, Antifa, whatever you get into, it's all left-wing violence. You really don't see a lot of right-wing violence and and there's other reasons to get into in terms of left-wing control of things, right? And so it seems like for for years intelligence has been like prodding and the closest they can usually get is when they get into entrapment or they did that thing like the Governor Whitmer kidnapping thing, which was entirely created by the FBI and none of the individuals involved could ever didn't even want to do it except it was the FBI agents and some didn't know there were other FBI agents there. Yeah. Pushing them to do it. Yeah. Exactly. And that's an old tactic going back to the they used to do that to the left back in the in the 70s, right? So, it's a um, you know, you get that kind of tactic. So, the right-wing violence isn't materialism. Yet, again, the media is everyone stoking fear of Nazism and all these idiotic boogeymen around the corner that are going to do this and that and the other thing. So, now we have this shooting and it seems like, you know, the cui bono of this shooting. Well, the left doesn't really benefit. And and now granted, obviously, you know, some deranged, you know, one-off guy, you know, that that if he's the one who took the shot, he's not going to care about that. But just at a wider narrative, who benefits from this? Well, ultimately, I I think the the police state does because what it's going to do, it's radicalizing more people. And like we've talked about tonight, the other side wants violence. Now, it's going to bring fear on the right and and it will probably stoke violence on the other side, right? Which is exactly what they want and or lead toward a civil war like some people are warning. And if that happens, then of course the government swoops in. We know which side they're actually going to try to put down, and it's not going to be the commies, right? And it's uh, you know, it's going to be a bloodbath, and they're going to preside over it when it will bring in all kinds of. That's kind of my thought. And I look at the details of this shooting where, you know, he's struck in his carotid artery. That's like a one-inch target. Now. And that's why I kind of wanted Mike for it. Maybe we'll ask him again when he comes back. And, you know, it's like I can hit a target at 200 yards easy enough. Um, you know, I can hit the, you know, 8-inch gong, you know, posted target, whatever. And reliably in roughly the same spot, 200 yards, 250 yards. I'm not a superb shot. I know people that have been doing their whole life, they could easily whack a coyote at 400 yards without much of a problem with a 223. It wouldn't be too much of a trouble for them to do it. I might be able to do it, but, you know, whatever. At 200 yards, I could reliably hit a target, but what about a very precise one-inch target that is guaranteed to be fatal? Not to mention, I was going to say, I think the there the FBI or somebody is claiming that the guy was using a 30-06. I mean, that has a that has a significant kick on it, doesn't it? That's a big gun. Yeah, but even even if you're if you're practiced with it, that wouldn't be an issue. You could reliably hit hit your target at that. But even, you know, the whether you're dealing with a higher caliber uh weapon like that or, you know, a 223 like an AR-15 or something like that, whatever it is, you know, your your ballistics principle is the same. You're hitting a very precise one-inch target in that very precise spot. The odds of that being just a lucky shot by some like what some people are suggesting has been another trans shooter, which I think is what they want to point us to in the more recent things. Yeah. Um, you know, and again, in my opinion, my conspiracy theorizing or whatever it is, uh, you know, someone, you know, some some evil person could could easily have killed him, just just, you know, from that distance. But to hit that so very specifically and vanish without being seen, yet, and yet you have these other things like um, the first guy that they thought did it, and then you see the immediate reactions, oh, look, old liberal boomer did it. And the first thing I thought when it was him is like, Um, is this guy like ex-military or something like that? How did he get the carotid artery that that way? I mean, it's um, and then it turns out it's not him, but you got video of him like he's being led around and he's just shouting, "Shoot me. Shoot me. Shoot me." Yeah. And that unless he's on some kind of drugs and was put there as a disinfo, you know, for local police who aren't in on the other person gets a good getaway without being seen by anybody, which again, I mean, that's that's the mark of a professional. And again, even if you practice enough to take that shot, setting it up, getting in without being seen, having your exits, that's that's that's more what like what a pro does. And there's other little details to to bring out and confirm. So, what are your thoughts on on that element? Too soon to even talk a conspiracy angle? Should should we be paying attention to these details?

Well, you know, and some people are saying it's too soon to talk about this, but while we're while while they're saying this, uh, they're putting out information, disinformation out there. And that's what I cannot stand for. I cannot stand for the disinformation that is flooding um all the online outlets. And that's why I I broke for my I was just gonna not say anything. But when I started seeing all the disinformation just flooding uh everywhere, I just said, "Come on, guys. Let's be real." You know, if you if you want to think of it as a trans shooter, here's a question for you. In every instance where we've had a trans shooter this year and the year before and the year before that, how many times did the trans shooter leave the scene of the crime? Zero. How many times did the trans shooter end up unaliving himself or herself? 100%. Mhm. How many times did the trans shooter leave the scene of the crime and totally elude law enforcement? Zero. So, you can't. Does anyone I was just going to say, does anyone else think it's weird that they found the gun wrapped in a towel in the woods? Like, what is that about? Right. Exactly. And then they unwrapped it and then they said, "Hey, look, look at all this trans uh or rather uh trans uh you know, whatever you want to call on on the weapon." Why would someone who just committed a crime leave the the crime the instrument of the crime just out there to be found? Like that's crazy. He didn't try to like hide the cartridge or whatever it is. Uh and just say, "Hey, I ran I left the scene of the crime, but I'm leaving you evidence behind here." You know, very bizarre. And so I'm asking people to use to not be too emotional about this whole thing, to use their mind. This is like the passport that fell from heaven. Oh, I'm sorry, the airplane. You know, escaped, you know, the passport that they told us they found that belonged to one of the hijackers that miraculously survived the burning. You know, when the plane flew into the building and the building went up in smoke and then came down, everything wasn't everything was basically uh pulverized except the pristine passport. This is what comes back to my to my memory when they pass that magically survived what the whole blasted building could not survive. Right. It survived a controlled demolition in order exactly. So I so that's my feeling about about the whole thing. Um, I don't want to jump to conclusions, but of course, I like to set things set the record straight early. The first question I asked people after the incident of January the 6th was who is Ray Epps, you know, and why is he out there telling people to run to the capital, you know, so people don't use their minds, they want to be very emotional. I said, this is a setup. This looked like it was a setup 100% of the time. And now we know that it's a setup because Nancy Pelosi was doing the best that she could to basically uh not make this a uh a situation. So she created a situation by her inaction by her purposeful inaction on that particular day because she knew something was going on and there was going to be basically a setup, you know. So people have to look for all these things when they're just sort of grasping for answers early on, and the answers they're getting from, you know, the law enforcement officers are not the answers and people are not just the officers, but people are out there and if you notice all the Anon accounts are or Anon accounts are out there saying, oh, it was a trans, it was a trans shooter, it was a trans shooter. Like, "Well, I'm sorry. You have 150 followers and you're following 200 people. Sounds it looks like you're looks like you're a bot and the last post you made on X was like six weeks ago. You're a bot. You're just you're here basically to implant information and then and then to show uh this disinformation and basically disappear. So these people these people are out there just, you know, making little comments here and there and trying to basically put it on a trans shooter and then they're turning around saying, "Hey, you support, you know, uh, trans whatever it is." I'm like, "No, you know, you you guys, you it's easy to read through all of this. You know, this thing was a setup and unfortunately um we saw this play out in front of our eyes and we can't let that go, you know. So, whatever is truly or whoever is truly behind this, uh, we don't know for sure. And I have a feeling this is going to be memory-holed just like everything around, you know, Las Vegas shooting, even the Trump the Trump shooting, you know, the Trump shooting uh and other things that happened uh within the last recent years that are being memory-holed. We don't even know what truly happened with Epstein in his cell under government surveillance in the cell. We don't even know what happened. We're never going to know. The shooter that was arrested at Mar-a-Lago. We don't really know his real story and it's been how many months, right?

I agree with this guy LP in the chat. Yeah, this person LP in the chat says it's the same setup as the Trump attempt. Obviously referring to last uh July outdoor venue, rooftop access, but this time a better marksman. That's Yeah, you know, and this person, right? And we don't know who this person is. We'll never find out who this person is. Completely to completely elude law enforcement. There are cameras everywhere, right? But for some reason, and now there's stories of a jet uh making a quick getaway and make them turn around and and then coming back or something like that. I don't know if that's going to have any legs, but yeah.

You know, so Mike, uh ballistics question, you're a military man. Um, most people who practice regularly with a rifle can easily hit a target, you know, in general, 8-inch target, 10-inch target, whatever, 200 yards, 250 yards. And I was mentioning I know people that have shot all their lives that could smoke a coyote from 400, and I mean an animal coyote, leftist, uh, 450 miles away. Miles. Good God, it's getting quick. Uh, 450 yards away. Good grief. Anyway, I I know people who can do that, but, you know, it doesn't necessarily require military training to hit a target. But when we're talking about the carotid artery, inch, it's like an inch wide from 200 yards. That's a very first shot, very precise shot. What are the odds that just being, you know, some some, you know, as we're now being led in certain quarters to believe it's a trans shooter, whatever. What are the odds of that being a, you know, a, you know, something that you're just gonna be lucky shot?

Well, I mean, if you're saying it was aiming for the artery, then yeah, I mean, that the odds are pretty low. I mean, I I would imagine that this person was probably either aiming. If let's let's just play two scenarios out real quick. Scenario one is, yes, this trans shooter um with with little training probably aiming for center mass and the shot was high and to the right. That's a really common high into the right the way your your finger uh pulls the trigger. Um, and instead of hitting center mass, uh, it would hit the neck. Another option is if it's this person, they're actually aiming for the head, which is what they were aiming for with Trump, which would be a much more spectacular. You know, you see the head get shot and brain matter kind of pop out on the back. I mean, that's while cameras are rolling. That's that's a pretty spectacular way to end someone's life as well. And and it was low and to the right. Um, so I think it's I think it's very plausible that this person jerked it um ever so slightly and in and wasn't aiming for the neck and hit the neck uh when they were aiming for high high firm center mass or uh or possibly the head. Charlie was sitting there. Um, he was a seated stationary target, which is a a lot easier to hit than a standing target like a Trump, uh, who's who's moving around, you know, a little bit more animated. Um, so there's that. Then there's the then there's the the other weird things that you see on social media where it appears that there's hand and arm signals, maybe spotters, um, other people that are involved. And so, um, if from that regard, then we have to, uh, completely dispense with the idea that this was, you know, some crazed lunatic trans that they're serving up on a silver platter, which is red meat to the right. I didn't hear what you guys said about that, but I'm sure you already covered th that ground. Um, so yeah, Mike, I'd be curious to know what you think about the fact that they're telling us that the the person supposedly just left the rifle wrapped up in a towel in the woods. Like, doesn't that seem weird?

Yeah. I mean, that's like, no, literally zero people would do that. No one no one would do that. Um Um unless they wanted it to be found. Again, is sort of like, "Hey, I've got these passports from the hijackers that just fell out of the sky. See, I've got the smoking gun evidence. It's this it's the Saudis and they hate us. They're Muslims." Um, so it kind of has the the fake evidence vibe. Um, you know, I I I just reject out of hand the theory that this that that it was who they're about to tell us that it was or I don't know. Did they tell us that it was this this trans person? They're getting close, I think. I mean, they're posting pictures of some like some [ __ ] that's out there now. I don't know.

Okay. So, so if we're in this interim period where we still don't know and again like I I joined the show just coming from work and stuff and sorry my sleeves are rolled up. James, I know how you feel about that. But um there was an interim period. Do you guys remember in Dulles, James' old stomping grounds, when the when the Wichita plane, the plane from Wichita uh hit the the Blackhawk helicopter that was directly in the flight path? Well, for days there was speculation that this was a trans uh pilot that was flying that thing and that was hitting, you know, the dark internet and all the signal groups and whatever else. And everyone was like, "This was a trans person." Okay, it was a woman, I guess, but it wasn't a trans woman. And so, you know, I I think at this point I'm just going to hold my fire and just wait to see who they who they provide us in actuality because there again, there was this whole period where we were all like, "Yeah, look at these trans people. They took down this plane on purpose. This is why they're we have to we have to go after them." This is one of the little nuances of the story in which they can discredit um right-thinking people who rightly will jump to the conclusion if this is another trans person to be like, okay, we got to get rid of these people like they're, you know, that church shooting, you know, taking down the airplane now, shooting Charlie Kirk. If if all those three things were true, we would have a, you know, it's a serious thing and it's not like that's not that's not even the first or last uh well, hopefully it's the last, but it's not the first uh it's not it's just the most recent uh trans-related uh shooting event in public. But I'm not even sure that they're going to try to to to proffer that as as the explanation. I think that's I think that's misinformation being put out there to make us look stupid. Okay. Um because if we jump to the conclusion and say, oh, you know, uh trans transgenderism is uh violent extremism, it should be designated as a terrorist group. Okay, which, you know, I think that that's actually true. But if we say that because of Charlie Kirk and then it's not a trans person, then when we reject rightly so the the pie that they serve up on a silver platter, there people are going to say, well, wait, you were already wrong. You said it was trans. You said it was this other person and you rejected that. Now you're rejecting this. And so, um, sadly, gentlemen, as as much as it pains me, I'm I'm I love speculating. Um, I I like taking the speculative position. I love making predictions. A lot of my predictions have come true. Some have not. Um, I I don't I can't speculate about this trans shooter right now. And I I I just don't I don't think it's wise to.

No, I think the other thing too, like you mentioned, are we being directed as the right and especially um, you know, Gen Z or you know, the people that on the right that Charlie Kirk has, you know, worked to bring in and and educate and that has gotten such a huge following in, what happens is this like a problem, reaction, solution? Like where you've got various shootings involving a trans person and now your guru is gone because of a trans person to try to radicalize and try to stoke uh some kind of violence against trans people? Because that's one thing I'm I'm looking at this like it seems like problem, reaction, solution because again, I mentioned earlier, when you left, where's the right-wing violence? Can't really find it unless they entrapped someone, the FBI agent saying, "Hey, commit terrorism." And in reality, it's like it's all the political violence is on the left. So what better way to try to rework that? And then of course, or again, some people are saying, hey, this is going to be leading us to civil war, right? And then, you know, the government comes in to preside over and which side are they going to crush? It's not going to be the [ __ ] and it ain't going to be the commies, it's going to be us. So then uh and as far as um, you know, we've already gone down the conspiracy path, so I guess we should look at uh well, and Jewish donors, they have a lot of explaining to do, a lot of decoupling to do because Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical open border neoliberal quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews. And now it's coming for Jews. And they're like, "What on earth happened?" And it's not just the colleges. It's the nonprofits. It's the movies. It's Hollywood. It's all of it. It's like time for you guys to wake up and say no more. Draw a line in the sand. I don't care if you hate me. And then uh Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. Now, I don't like generalizations. Not every Jewish person believes that. But it is true the Anti-Defamation League was part and parcel with Black Lives Matter. It is true that some of the largest financiers of left-wing anti-white causes have been Jewish Americans. They went all in on woke, and it wasn't just ADL. It was some of the top Jewish organizations in the country that have done that. In fact, we have seen this with the recent retreat of Jewish donations that are no longer um going to be administered to colleges, right? Mark Rowan, Leon Cooperman. Can we get that full list? Very powerful. The part of the So, that's totally true. And by the way, Tucker Carlson reinforces this. So, I'm going to kind of. It was quite a day on the internet. Tucker Carlson was uh interviewing Candace Owens. We have Candace Owens coming up next hour, and Tucker Carlson mentions that uh Jewish Americans have primarily been financing cultural Marxist ideas. We said this, by the way, last week, and people came after us. We actually said it in a different way. We said, "I'm glad that Jewish Americans are reconsidering their financing of cultural Marxism." And people misunderstood it intentionally and slandered us as being anti-Semites. But listen to this. Tucker Carlson is completely correct by saying this that the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country. And one thing a friend said to me interestingly, which is okay, Charlie, we've pushed back against the media on COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border, on like maybe we should also ask a question. Is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? The question, you know, that maybe we shouldn't believe everything the media says because I know I've been conditioned to ask a lot more critical questions over the last couple of years. So, Ben, some people would accuse Israel of wanting to ethnically cleanse.

[Music] [Music] So I uh, you know, you know, look at that one and again, the, you know, once again, duh, Jews just always end up back there. But it's curious that Netanyahu is bombing. He's got bombing campaigns in Yemen. Israel's got bombing campaigns in um Qatar. He's got bombing campaigns right now, of course, in Gaza, as we know, Lebanon, Syria. That's five specific military campaigns he's directing, to say nothing of the fact that he's also working against in the Knesset to oust him and and charge him with crimes because again, not everyone in the Israeli state runs on the same page. So he he's he's fighting all of these different, and he and he stops within practically within minutes of Charlie Kirk being, you know, killed to tweet that out, even before Trump's done it. It's um, may mean absolutely nothing, but it's a curious point that he's starting to be a little bit he starts noticing. Thoughts?

Um, the only other embellishment I can add to this is supposedly at least one reporter, possibly two reporters from Infowars had released the information about a month ago saying that Charlie Kirk feared for his life um and that he he believed that he was being targeted for assassination by Israel as a result of his recent fairly recent commentary uh with respect to that. I I've heard Hitchborn uh over at Leanto, what's his outfit called? His one-man institute. Yeah. Okay. The Institute of One Man. Uh, I've heard him say that uh that Kirk was in RCIA. Um, I generally think that Hitchborn is 80% right uh on things and when he says something factual um, he is someone who tends to corroborate his facts. So if we're imagining uh the full picture here, we're talking about a man who is attempting to convert to the Catholic faith. There are pictures of him from um from, you know, the church, various churches in DC with his par with his children. He's attempting to become a Roman Catholic. He is questioning uh unconditional support for Israel. He verbally said on Megan Kelly's show that he has less ability to criticize the state of Israel than a citizen of Israel does. Um, and we have Infowars saying that he feared for his life because of all of those uh those those comments that he has made recently. Um, I think I think everybody kind of knows what the real story is here. And when when I say everybody, I mean the commentary at class to include Candace and Tucker and Fuentes and whoever else that people listen to. Everybody knows what the real story is here. And the the reason why you would be so brazen if you were Bibi Netanyahu and within 8 minutes of the shot being fired, take a break from seven bombing campaigns uh to notice it. What a great noticer he is. And not to mention the time change. Like what time wouldn't it be like the middle of the night over there or something? How would he even know? Yeah. Right. Yeah. And so but the reason you would be so uh brazen about it is if you were actively engaged in a campaign to chill speech. So this this will create a chilling effect on the rest of the commentary. This will send a clear message to everyone else that you know that that there are no lines that Israel will not cross. And we knew that when they blew up pagers indiscriminately maiming people um in in uh what country was that? Egypt, whatever. It was Iran. That was in Iran. In Iran. Um, we we know that there's no actual line that they won't cross. There's no moral. There's no there's no moral line that the state of Israel will uh will not cross. But they put a finer point on it with this uh provocation and and it's designed to silence Taylor Marshall. It's designed to silence us. It's designed to scare anyone out of especially the more prominent people out of uh uh noticing the truth. About the terrorist state of of Israel and what they're doing. Yeah. And I think a case in point in that regard, uh Charlie, as I understand it, was a broadcaster on Real America's Voice. That's right.

And they and they announced today, I have the tweet pulled up. I sent it to you. I'll send the link in the private chat, but it is with heavy hearts that we share some difficult news regarding the upcoming Rebels, Rogues, and Outlaws tour. In light of recent events and increased security concerns following the tragic assassination of our beloved friend and leader Charlie Kirk, we have made the decision to postpone the event. This was not a decision we came to lightly. Charlie dedicated his life to fighting for America and he poured his heart into the movement so that, uh, that so many of us carry forward today. Out of respect for his legacy and out of concern for the safety and well-being of all attendees, we believe postponement is the most responsible path forward.

And so I know some people have said in the, um, in the comments to this in response, like, that's exactly what they wanted, that they, they achieved their goal. Yeah. So true. Yeah. That's, you know, and that's another effect, too. And often times there's effects unseen or effects that are like tangentially planned for when people are planning things, and that could be, but then again, it might not. Might be entirely just, just an after-effect and like, "Oh, good, this is exactly what we wanted to see." And, you know, because they don't want you just like when they, January 6th is another one of those where not only there they going after people in the capital, and again, anyone who actually did real acts of vandalism in the capital should be prosecuted for that, but, you know, there was no insurrection. There was no, you got a bunch of grandmas and other people with your cameras walking inside the ropes, going in, and, um, not only are they arrested, but you got people who use their debit card within, you know, a mile or two of of the, the n of the capital, they're getting visits from the FBI. Yeah. Over it. Um, people that, you know, liked and and and reposted comments from people who were at the capital got visits from the FBI. They weren't even there, but they still got visits from the FBI. And you look at that and you're just like, this is just insane. What do they want to do? They want to, to compel you to not speak out. Um, if you go to a rally, you know, facial recognition's got you there. Um, you know, you think of like the, the one guy that, uh, you know, he's too scared to stop clapping. List, he'd be the one that's, "Oh, you're kind of revolutionary. You're going to the goolog, right?" It's almost like, you know, that sort of effect. You know, it, everyone, your your actions are now compelled in the public square because you don't want to end up in prison, dead, whatever, on on account of, uh, you know, the criminalization of speech. 100%.

I think it's also interesting that this took place in, you know, just a day before the anniversary of the, the worst, uh, whatever you want to call it. I mean, it was an act of terrorism, regardless of who's actually behind it. But 9/11, that's a very interesting, it's a very interesting coincidence, I think. Indeed. In fact, um, do we want to make that pivot since we've already gone down the, uh, you know, the the rabbit hole and somebody.

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On the morning of September 11th, 2001, 19 men armed with box cutters, directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world, using a satellite phone and a laptop, directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily defended airspace in the world. Overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on four commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor. These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down three buildings with two planes in New York. While in Washington, a pilot who couldn't handle a single-engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 ft descending 270-degree corkscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the $2.3 trillion that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced missing from the Pentagon's coffers in a press conference the day before on September 10th, 2001.

Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes. Osama bin Laden. The pundits knew within hours. Osama bin Laden. The administration knew within the day: terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. And the evidence literally fell into the FBI's lap. That a hijacker's passport was found blocks from the World Trade Center crash site, if you can believe that. But for some reason, a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history. That investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest, and a cover-up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, PEK, Sibel Edmonds, Obl, and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush administration, and as for Bush and Cheney, well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath, and behind closed doors. It didn't bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is ultimately of little practical significance. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly answering all of the questions the public had, except most of the victim's family members' questions, and pinned blame on all the people responsible, although no one so much as lost their job, determining the attacks were a failure of imagination because nobody in our government, at least, and I don't think the prior government, could envision flying airplanes into buildings, except the Pentagon, FEMA, NORAD, and the NRO. The DIA destroyed 2.5 terabytes of data on Able Danger, but that's okay because it probably wasn't important. The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that's okay because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine recordkeeping. NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7's collapse, but that's okay because knowing how they made their model of the collapse would jeopardize public safety. The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public. But that's okay because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.

This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention. And if you say otherwise, you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise, him, him, him, and her, and her, and her, and him. Osama bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora, but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abadabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet, employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for a decade, releasing video after video with complete impunity and getting younger and younger as he did so before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn't recorded on video. In which he didn't resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these cracked special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the entire planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team's members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. This is the story of 9/11 brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about his head could be seen to move violently forward and they took the babies out of the incubator and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch. If you have any questions about this story, you are a batshit, paranoid, tinfoil dog-abusing baby hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie, and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone ever. This has been a public service announcement by the friends of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, SEC, MSM, White House, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission. Because ignorance is strength.

Well done. That one. That one ages really well. She gets better every year. A fine line. A 15-year-old video, by the way. Wow. I have never seen that compilation. That's the first time for me. So, that was that was incredibly well. One of the most unbelievable conspiracy theories about 9/11. That is the official government story, right? That is so true. And you know what they do is they say, "Oh, well, what you're you should be ashamed, while you're insulting all the victims' families." Like, how? Because we want to get to the bottom of what killed them. And most of, like, first responders' families and other victims, a lot of them are 9/11 truthers because on the ground, as the government lied, lied to them, because a reasonable person of average intelligence cannot believe the official story. It is insane. Like, it is insane. Buildings don't come down at freefall speed based on being hit, like, towards the top. That just doesn't make physical sense. Or a building such as WTC7, that was not impacted directly by any jetliner. This building collapsed on itself. What's the story there? You know, and these victims and their families, like Ryan, you just said, their families are one of the biggest truthers out there, you know, begs the question. And these people could not be silenced, and they can't be silenced. And still, we pretend like the government always has our best interest. You know, people like Sean Hannity, for instance, or Lindsey Graham, yelling at yelling at people for asking questions about 9/11. You know, uh, Fox News for a very long time, even till today, has supported that, uh, story, that mainline story, that 9/11 Commission report. And, um, it, it really is, I mean, when you see the, the Pentagon, for instance, the video by, by the way, uh, I think, um, what's this guy at, uh, Judicial Watch had to sue to get the video, but when he got the video back of the, the plane supposedly hitting the, uh, Pentagon, they had removed certain frames from it. So they showed the video that was released, you could see basically something going into the building, but it was not a jetliner, right? You know, so people, even though they tried to hide that evidence and then try to even manipulate it, still the manipulation they did to the video was not enough to disprove that it was not a rocket of some sort going into the building. And then you've got other things too, like they say, "Oh, well, people would have talked." Well, people were talking. There were tons of whistleblowers that just got silenced. If we go back to the, the little Corbett video compilation there, there's one part where this black gentleman shows up and he says, "This man does not exist." That man is Barry Jennings, and he was the deputy director of emergency services for the New York City Housing Authority. And after the first plane hit the, the North Tower in the morning on 9/11, he was called to the city's Office of Emergency Management, which was in WTC7, because WTC7 was Giuliani's command center in case of any emergency attack, um, you know, emergency event, what, natural disaster, whatever, to, to coordinate the response. He found out, he just went in there, and he gets in the building, and at 9:03 in the morning, and there's nobody there. So he makes some calls, and people are like, "Wait, you're there? Get out now." And, you know, he tried to, uh, you know, talk about, you know, this story, and some people listened, and made a few places, and then it kind of quietly got, uh, you know, disappeared. He died in questionable circumstances. So, and then you've got, you know, dozens and dozens of other people. Michael Springman, who was working for a US consulate and was basically fired for saying, "Hey, we got these people that the State Department is connected with Al-Qaeda, and the consulate here in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia is giving them visas to go to the United States. What's going on here?" He tried to stop it. Then he gets a call, "These visas will go through. Yeah, they have to go through." And, you know, at every level, you know, that was that was Michael Springman. Um, and you've got, you know, a good number of other people that, again, there, there's things that were going on that the, the official story doesn't add up. Now, what actually happened? Again, we don't know. We're not purporting to know. If we knew, I mean, goodness. Well, we'd be dead. But if we could do the expose video, it would break the internet. Well, we can't because we don't have it. And that's the point of asking the questions and plugging holes in, you know, putting holes in the narrative and saying, "Is this real?" It's not because we have the answers on the other side. It's because we have all this evidence that the official story doesn't add up, and we, the public, deserve the, the answer. Yeah.

And something else too that, that, um, wasn't in that video was, this is a fact. Uh, citizens from a different country got notifications via text to not show up at the World Trade Center building. Which country do you think sent out this text message to their citizens? [Laughter] [Music] "Do not show up to work on 9/11. Do not go." Mhm. Right. So, this has been validated, you know. Uh, and so a lot of questions out there, but certainly the narrative which they're giving us to swallow, uh, it just, it's not going down because there's just too many questions. Too many questions, you know. And what's worse is for them, what's worse is when we ask the questions, they obfuscate. They try to silence us, and that makes it worse because then we have even more questions, right? And we're tired of the obfuscation. Like, we're not stupid, you know? Right. I'm glad to see that Tucker Carlson is starting to dig into this. I sent you guys in the private chat a link to something he's posted, but he's, he's basically created a five-part, uh, five-episode series on this whole subject. He also interviewed somebody a couple months ago. I listened, it was a fascinating interview of a, I think, a former congressman who was trying to dig in and get to the truth of the matter. And, oh yeah, because I, in, I think it was in 2005 when Tucker was still working for MSNBC, he interviewed, I forget the name of the professor, but he used to be at Brigham Young University, and he was explaining on air the fact that building 7 was clearly, and he was like a professor of physics, I can't remember his name, but it was clearly a case of controlled demolition. And he was explaining it would have, uh, taken, I think it's called thermite, an explosive, a demolition explosive that melts steel so that it could collapse in on itself. Yes. And Tucker, he must have heard in his earbuds like, "We got to get this guy off air. He's saying way too much truth." And Tucker, like, cuts him off really quick, like, "Oh, I don't really understand these interesting theories you're sharing, but we have to move on now." Something, something to that effect. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And it was actually discovered, um, I forget who did the analysis, but, uh, thermite was definitely discovered in the rubble, um, of, uh, the buildings on 9/11. That's the only way. I mean, how do people think that those fires kept burning for weeks, if not months? Like, there had to be something, right? And here's something else too that wasn't, this was in a long-form video that, uh, James did, that, uh, James Corbett did. He also talked about the, uh, elevator maintenance that was being done. A whole team was cleared out of the previous, uh, contract, uh, company that held, held the contract for the elevators. They were all cleared out, I think, just, uh, maybe a few months or a few weeks before the event, and a new whole new team was brought in. Now, can you imagine what that whole new team was doing to the elevators? Uh, basically, uh, you know, when you're, you're dealing with elevators, you have access to a bunch of, uh, uh, columns within that building or within those buildings, and then you're, you're, you're planting, uh, thermite and a few other things around those columns. So you can actually create a situation where if there's fire, then you're creating an everlasting burning, and eventually, uh, you know, explosives, laying the columns of explosives to definitely bring the buildings down. So all this has been, um, uh, talked about at nauseam. Uh, but still, people pretend as though the official story is what should stick. That's crazy.

And then you add on top of that the financial crime. It was the largest insider trading scandal that was investigated in all of SEC history in, you know, the hours leading up to 9/11. Just massive amounts of insider trading and all sorts of things, shorts and things that, uh, there's another element which is that now, when the Soviet Union fell, George H.W. Bush and a good number of investors took out, you know, tons of investments in stock receipts to a company to invest in Russia and building up Russia, and it was good as long as Yeltsin was president, but then, you know, Putin comes in and they're, they're kind of kicked out. Well, the, uh, all the money, you know, you know, the, the everything due back to investors was going to be cleared in 2001, in, you know, October, November-ish or so. Where were all those stock receipts, all of the things that that normally go through SEC and are cleared, showed paid and and whatever? They were in the Twin Towers and burned down with them. Yeah. Funny that, kind of like all the Whitewater files and the Clintons went down in the Murrah building in Oklahoma City. But again, it's, uh, that might be too much for tonight. Speaking of George H.W. Bush, um, the first time that I can recall that he used the term "New World Order" was in a speech on September 11th, 1990. I think if I got the, if I'm think it's 1992, some, in early, it was early '90s, but I know it was definitely September 11th. No. Wow. Yeah. That's that guy was a spook in, in both meanings of the word. Um, so no one actually knew George W. Bush was the head of the CIA until he took, I think until he took office as president. Then they they declassified, uh, or rather, that he was a CIA agent before he became the head of CIA. No one knew this guy at all. Was a spook, and then all of a sudden he's the CIA head, and all of a sudden, boom, he is now the vice president. Uh, obviously, Reagan was not the, uh, uh, choice that the Republicans wanted at the time. They were trying to basically have him put with a babysitter. That babysitter was George H.W. Bush. And of course, uh, the interesting thing about John Hinckley Jr. was that John Hinckley Jr. was, uh, uh, family friends with John Hinckley Jr. For those who don't know, is the, or rather, I think he's still alive, is the shooter, uh, of President Reagan. And John Hinckley Jr. was actually friends with the Bush family. He was a, he was a disturbed man. People are speculating or have speculated that he was under some sort of a psychiatric, uh, you know, uh, um, he was, he was visiting, he had, what's the term? He was a patient of some, uh, psychiatrist or whatever. He may have been used to basically take down Reagan so that H.W. Bush would effectively become the president. Well, that didn't happen. Happened a few, uh, years later, obviously. But there are all these strange, uh, coincidences that, uh, people, uh, just kind of refuse to see. Uh, but hopefully, you know, uh, things are getting clearer. The, you know, the more, uh, things like this, uh, happen, you know, the more people are able to draw the proper, the right associations. And, you know, it's only going to get worse for the, uh, deep state in the sense that everyone's becoming more and more alert, more and more awake. Now, what this does for us, uh, in the future, as far as, you know, garnering that energy that we need, especially in light of what just happened, uh, yesterday, how is that going to push us in the direction of action? The right action, I should say, you know, so that we don't get in a situation of being reacted into another, uh, J6, uh, situation. I, I don't. So, one of the things I, I have the pleasure of teaching is, uh, Microsoft Excel to certain students. And one of the things that we do is we nest functions within functions. Okay? So, I, I, I hate to nest. I hate to do that here. I hate to say, "Okay, I want, I don't want to take what James just said and nest it within another stratified layer of conspiracy, per se." But one would have to wonder if it's not actually part of their plan of manipulating our emotions. I just, quick, one quick overview statement. I find myself to be completely manipulated by the imagery that I'm seeing. I can tell that my irascible appetite is, uh, is pulled strongly when I see that young Ukrainian woman on the train. Something visceral, yeah, in me reacts to that. When I see the blood spurting from Charlie Kirk's neck, and instead of dancing Israelis, we have dancing communists. Yeah. When I see these things, I have real deep core visceral, animalistic reactions to those things. But the images are being perfectly curated. Yes. I think to, to, and designed to elicit those reactions in all of us. And so I just would wonder if it's not part of their plan. Not that the deep state is in trouble because we're all waking up, but that actually they want us to see exactly what they're doing, and they're challenging us to see what they're doing, and they're really trying to incite someone into doing something really stupid as a result. You're absolutely right. Which is why yesterday I posted, "Hey, I know we're feeling certain feels, and that's good, but don't get in a situation where you're being repped." Meaning, "Hey guys, let's all run together in this direction. Let's all go to the capital. Let's all go." So now you're being pushed, and you're being leaned on heavily by the wrong people because they're the ones in control of that information, and they're creating this stuff enough. You're absolutely right. Those images are what is very visceral. These images are what is striking at the American heart today. And having those reactions are a sign of health. Like, if you weren't having those reactions, that would be concerning because we should be angry when we see that kind of just, yeah. Says we're angry when we see a father of, of two with his wife and children right there, right? Fascinating. And his daughter reportedly wanted to run because she saw daddy was hurt. And as a dad, and I know that that the rest of us, you know, can feel that that visceral grip, uh, you know, the reaction of the, how you and the anger that that somebody did this. Yeah. No. And by the way, just to clarify, I'm not advocating for like stoicism or anything like that. I'm not even saying that the, the, the visceral, irascible nature in me that hates those images is wrong. I think it's a perfectly red-blooded male reaction to those things. What I'm saying is I think that the imagery is being algorithmically curated to us. Yes. So that somebody, what they would love more than anything is for a member of the rundown to go on some rampage. What they would love more than anything is for Taylor Marshall to just snap and just go to some trans party and kill them all. You know that they would love that because that's what they need. Um, and they'll, they will MK Ultra someone into doing it eventually if they can't just convince us to do it. Um, well, some people online are speculating that that's what the shooter is, is some kind of MK Ultra plant. I've seen that going around as well. Who knows? Yeah. I, well, you know, I, you, you really cannot set that aside. You can't take it off the table right now, um, given how little information we have. And I must say that I was so, um, I, you know, when, when the, the new head of the FBI, Cash Patel, goes out and tweets and says, "We've got someone in custody." That doesn't actually inspire confidence in me. That, you know, maybe a generation ago, when the FBI said that they had things under control, um, that carried some kind of weight in the eyes of the public. Sadly, today, I think the, the, the bureau is so discredited after Comey, after Epstein, um, you name it. And for, for them to come out and say, "Oh, we, we've got a custody. Don't worry, more details forthcoming." Um, it's actually discomforting. It's not, it's the opposite of comforting. Um, it's disheartening to hear that, "Oh, great, now the FBI is involved." For sure, we know we're not going to hear the truth. And I think a growing, uh, percentage of Americans will take that point of view.

Just to tie this into 9/11 because I kind of missed that discussion. Um, just very briefly, I was able to do an interesting poll today of a group of people that I was, uh, that I was talking to, a group of about 35 people, and I just, I was like, "Hey, like, today is 9/11. Like, who here accepts the official position? Does anybody accept that? I mean, raise your hand if you accept the official position." No hands. "Raise your hand if you accept an alternative position." All hands. Mhm. Um, okay. Interesting. Uh, Charlie Kirk spoke for young people. Charlie Kirk represented young people in a way. Look, the four of us, we're basically geysers. You guys know that, right? Like, we haven't accepted that, but we're geysers. The, the Zoomer generation was well represented, well represented by this man, Charlie Kirk. He's not someone that you watched, Matt. He's honestly not someone that I watched until about, until his Tucker Carlson interview. Um, and, and then I started to pay take notice and pay attention. Um, I think Ryan and James, you probably paid attention to him more than, uh, more than I didn't know that much about him until more recently. Yeah, but his, his cache, his name, uh, means so much to young men, and it's exactly for the reason why that he listed in, in the, in the video that you played, Ryan, in which he says that radicalism in this country will be born out of economic disopportunity, and 20-something-year-olds are looking around at a housing market that's unaffordable, uh, grocery bills that are unaffordable, they're carrying student debt loads or whatever other debt loads, postponing marriage, can't get, can't have children. They've been poisoned, you know, like half of them are sterile. And they're looking around and they're pissed off about it, and Charlie Kirk was one of the men who gave them a voice. The other guy who gives them a voice, the socialist mayor of New York City. And none of us should be surprised that we are now electing literal communists to elected positions of great power, including our largest city in these United States, given the dynamic, the economic dynamics and the economic reality. So I absolutely think that we are po, this crossed a line that, uh, the four geysers here, we, we really don't even know how deep this wound is. The loss of Charlie Kirk on the Zoomers, who are really the only hope for this country. The Zoomers who are awake to these issues, reject the narrative, distrust the government, and are pissed off about the fact that they can't get on with their lives because of the economic realities that are no fault of their own. Right. And we've seen, yeah, exactly. We've seen over the last few months, maybe over the last couple of years, a lot of these videos.

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We, we've seen, uh, perhaps over the last couple of years, uh, a lot of videos of young women coming to terms with, uh, the economic realities that they're facing. You know, "Why did I go to college? Why did I waste all my time here? Why am I being told I need to set myself out of the house in which I grew up to have a life of my own? And then have all these bills basically force me into tears because I just don't know how I'm going to make it." And so you have a lot of these videos. I'm sure a lot of you have seen these videos out there, these young women out there crying, you know, uh, you know, because they're starting to realize, you're absolutely right, Mike. Uh, this is the bill of goods that they were sold. And, uh, you know, Kirk was a, was the person who would get on college campuses and ask these very genuine questions of people. And so when yesterday, it's, it's very interesting. We see a lot of violence online, but a lot of these young kids were hurt visibly, uh, by what they saw, and a lot of them had the right, uh, you know, the right reaction. This is a young man, like he just said, wife and two children. He did not deserve this end, you know. And a lot of liberals too, by the way, a lot of progressives were also out there saying the same thing, you know. Um, "I never agreed with this man, and he never spoke for me, but this was just a man sharing his ideas, and now this man is gone. His wife no longer has a husband, and his children no longer have a father." And so these are people who we had written off maybe three or four years ago, you know, but they're all now starting to be alert.

One other detail, one other detail that struck me. Mike was talking earlier about these images were seem to be very specifically curated to elicit these very visceral emotions, which in and of themselves are not bad. Actually, they're they're a sign of health and morality. If you notice in the video that we've probably all seen, the fi, the last two words out of his mouth before he was shot were "gang violence." Yeah, that's very interesting to me. Like, were they waiting for him to to speak about that particular subject before he, they made the shot? I don't, I don't know. That could have just been a coincidence, but it just struck me as very, like, "Wow, how terribly, like tragically ironic." The last words that he said were "gang violence," and then boom, right? That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. And I can't imagine the, like, the traumatic effect of the people who were there, especially those who were close to the front. And there is a video out there that I've seen, was sent to me by somebody else, that I didn't see it. I mean, it's, it's clo, it's like front-row view. It's, it's really disturbing. Uh, so for people who were in close proximity and who had a really good view of him, I mean, they'll never, they'll never forget. Like, they're going to have nightmares about that for the rest of their life. Absolutely. I mean, to say nothing of of his, his poor family is right there to see that, right? You know, and it's like, and that elicits an entirely different thing. Is that, you know, I've been through watching a wife die, and, you know, but that was cancer. So there's a certain, like, uh, you know, disease, whatever, you know, there's no person you can look to to blame and say, "Oh, oh, no, that's that's the person I got to, you know, be angry at." Now, um, in this case, that, you know, when your your spouse is the victim, your father is the victim of violent crime, right? Some some horrible thing like this, that's someone did this without whom he'd still be here with us today. That's an entirely different reaction than like something else that we, similar, something else.

I think we really need to touch on as, as Catholics, especially in light of the previous pontiff's ridiculous false claim that the death penalty is inadmissible. Yeah. Because I, I tweeted yesterday night, like last night, the last thing I tweeted was, um, "You know, the only appropriate punishment for capital crimes is capital punishment. Period." And that's not, and people need to understand that capital punishment is not an act of revenge. It's not an act of vengeance. It's called retributive justice. Yes. Okay. It is not based on the passions. It's based on right reason, and it has to be done not simply to protect the public from future threats, but to as an act of retributive justice, as a matter of the natural law. Because how is it just to stick him in a cage for 30, 40, 50 years? Death penalty, having even giving, you know, on the taxpayer's dime. Yeah. Even getting death sentence still means the same thing. There's no difference because then it'll be dragged out eventually. In certain states, you might finally receive the penalty, but, you know, who knows how long that'll take. So, you're in a cage getting three squares a day with, uh, gym equipment, TVs, you know, not that it's always paradise. There's lots of violence, too, in in prison. And you keep talking about human dignity. How is it dignified to keep someone in a cage and, you know, for, for 30, 40, 50 years? And then, you know, with all the, the violence involved in, in prison, and make the community pay for it in taxes, that's just not simply just. Whereas you look at the flip side where, okay, your execution is for X time tomorrow morning, get right with God, that you're going to stand up and think about that. And some people will continue, "Nah, and not go." Right. I mean, can you, can you imagine if we, you know, I want to see a clergyman of some kind. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Far more conducive to to repentance than, you know, sitting in a cage for 50 years. I think 30 days is more than generous. That 30 days, right? You have enough time to recollect your thoughts, to, to think about your life and how you've basically, uh, lived on, on a wrong path, and you collect, you collect yourself. You make your act of contrition, right? And, um, set yourself on the right path, uh, spiritually, and then, you know, what, time, time to meet your maker. You know, if a lot of people had this picture in their heads in general of the reality that would face them if they dare to commit such a crime, perhaps we wouldn't see so much violence. This person, going back again to this case in North Carolina, this person had been released what, 14 times? By a judge who actually has no legal qualification. She ran for the office and got elected, didn't even pass the bar or have any kind of legal training. Can you, can you guys imagine if I got elected to a judgeship somewhere? Like, I, I would be the overnight, the most famous judge in America. Um, I don't have any legal qualifications, by the way. Um, I, like, I just, apparently that doesn't matter. Disturbed. I can't fathom that. That would be disturbing to, to the enemies of God. They would be disturbed by my existence, and I am equally disturbed by this woman's existence, and I think she should be tried. I mean, she should be culpable. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, we're living in a broken system, and we've said this for such a long time. Uh, the system is not working anymore, and, uh, the more it exists this way, uh, you know, the more it'll be hard. I mean, it's already, we're already at a point of, uh, where it seems as there's no return. You can't return to things as normal. Something has to change. And the longer that people get used to lawlessness, the worse the lawlessness is going to get if there's no real punishments. Absolutely. I mean, look, look what happened to those, uh, people during the French Revolution who kept crying, uh, "Off with his head!" or who tried to at least, you know, uh, off the heads of, uh, the, you know, the, uh, royals and, you know, ministers of the law. They themselves, in the end, they, they got the guillotine, you know, because the people were said, they turned around and said, "Wait a second, we're, we're, we're done with, you know, who's that person? Marat? Is he the one? We got guillotines." Ryan, do you remember? Uh, yeah, I mean, several, but yeah. Marat. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. No, not Marat. Sorry, not Marat. Danton. Yes. Exactly. Marat was famously killed in his bath by. Exactly. Yeah. And so eventually, the law that they tried to, uh, blow up comes back and haunts them. And, you know, what's happening in Nepal, for instance, also is another indication of where things might eventually go. Might not go the way they think it'll go. I don't know. But, uh, basically, we can see, uh, people are getting tired around the world. People are getting tired. And, uh, some countries, it's easier to just go into the capital, uh, and just sort of take matters into their own hands. Obviously, that can't happen here for a lot of reasons. Um, but, and like Ryan, and like, uh, Mike was saying earlier on, it's like, this is, this is where they want us to go, you know. Um, and we, we have to be able to to see past our emotions right now and look at, uh, how worse it can get if we act the way that they want us to act, you know. So, yeah.

Why are you gay? to throw that in. That's my question to all the all people who are against the death penalty. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like, just propositionally, it's one thing to say, "Well, modern society, we don't need that for X, Y, and Z reasons." As a proposition, I don't agree with it at all, but you can at least accept as a proposition that, "All right, maybe that to be entertained can be at least entertained." I think reality, what we're witnessing, no, it can't. Uh, it just doesn't work. We've tried that credential idea, um, you know, born out of, in my opinion, born out of sentimentalism in European thought generally, and and where you see it in John Paul II, for example, famously expressed, and the idea that, yeah, you can never, you know, put anyone to death because that's, that's against dignity. And, but at least they squared it as a credential judgment. And Cardinal Ratzinger was very clear about that too, whereas then once you get to the, the last pontificate, uh, then you get, "No, this is against human dignity," and we have discovered this new human dignity that apparently that the church never knew before all for all ages when it confirmed the right of the state to ex- You're absolutely right. But we can all say all those, those previous statements were indeed laying the groundwork for the softening, uh, in, in the church's stance, which then Bolio took advantage of. So we, we kind of see when JP2 was talking about it, there were already people using that statement to basically say, "Look, this is the opening we needed, and we're taking this opening." You know, and then some of the other things of ambiguity over the last 70 years or so. Sure. Um, to, to jump through and open those up wide, and then you see, but it was more pernicious under, under the, the late holy father because then it's not just, um, "Well, see, we've discovered this new sense of human understanding, that's why we can always say it's inadmissible." But it's like, you know, Vatican I explicitly condemns that entire form of reasoning. Vatican I says that you can never come to that the, the dogmas of faith must be understood in the sense in which the church wants, has always been, and, yeah, then the sense in which she once declared them, that namely, you look back, what is the sense in which the church's teaching theologians at the time, whose work, you know, led the way for that statement, what the church has in mind when it gave that in a council or, you know, to formal people teaching, whatever, and must not be departed from. Vatican I says, "In the name of a new and more efficient understanding," unquote. Well, that's essentially, that is exactly what the argument was in the last pontificate for eliminating the death. Yeah.

I want to read to you guys this quote. I wrote an article on this subject years ago when when Pope Francis, you know, made his change to the catechism, whatever. This is from the Roman Catechism. And it says, "Another kind of lawful slain belongs to the civil authorities." This is in reference to the fifth commandment, by the way, "Thou shalt not kill." Um, "Another kind of lawful slain belongs to the civil authorities to whom is entrusted power of life and death by the legal and judicious exercise of which they punish the guilty and protect the innocent." So, it's not simply protecting the innocent, it is about punishing the guilty. Uh, "The just use of this power, far from involving the crime of murder, is an act of paramount obedience to this commandment which prohibits murder. The end or the purpose of the commandment is the preservation and security of human life. Now, the punishments inflicted by the civil authority, which is the legitimate avenger of crime, naturally tend to this end, since the catechism explains they give security to life by repressing outrage and violence." So that last phrase, I think, is really significant. In my, as I understand it, what it's saying is the, the state issuing a just punishment of a c, capital punishment for a capital crime actually works towards, uh, repressing the outrage and and potential vigilante violence of the mob by doing its job. Does that make sense? Like, that's how I read that. That's how I understand that. That's the, that's one of the purposes of it is to give a, a legitimate vent to the outrage of the people by seeing a capital criminal punished appropriately like that. That makes sense to me, right? Absolutely.

Want to thank him for, and by the way, you know, I'm not, I may be a white boy, but I'm not stupid. You want to thank him. So, let's, let's land the plane, if we please, because you, we could probably go at it for quite a bit. Uh, but, uh, not me. So, we have this comment in the chat. Um, "Do you guys have any thoughts on Civil War coming in the in the future?" And I guess it's probably a good spot to end because we've seen all the things. Is going to summarize again everything we've seen just leading up to, uh, you know, Charlie Kirk's assassination. Is that the line? Are, are we going to see Civil War? Well, I don't know. It's a tough, it's a tough question because, um, we are so militarized here, and there is such a power of the deep state entrenched in our system here, and these people have access to not just the governmental, uh, security, but also private security as well. Uh, and what's that term for them, uh, that we use? Uh, uh, what's the term I forget? But basically, we don't know who our allies truly are. We really don't know who our allies truly are. We don't know. And that, that will be a huge problem. It'll be easy for them to sort of corral us into a place and dispatch us very quickly. You know, they can launch any kind of weapon system that they, they want, and basically, you know, it's done. They have access to our water supply systems. You know, we, we don't, we're not living in a state now where we can truly be off-grid. Everything can be, uh, used to cause more disadvantage. The water, you know, the water supply, for instance, the food supply, you know, we saw this obviously through 2020, and what's that event that happened in Pennsylvania where their water was poisoned? The government just didn't do anything about it, you know. So, we're extremely, um, vulnerable when it comes to, you know, fighting and taking things back. We can try. We can end up like, uh, you know, the, uh, martyrs of the north of France there. What's that? The Vendeans. Yeah, exactly. We can end up like the Vendeans, you know, put up a good fight and then just be happy when things end how they end. Of course, it'll be very courageous and honorable thing to do, but as far as civil war on mass, how that would pan out, it wouldn't pan out well for the average American citizen. I think if they turned off the grid for like a couple weeks or something or a month, that I mean, it would be pandemonium everywhere because 90, 90 to 95% of people in this country, myself included, admittedly, I don't know how to.

survive off the grid. I've never been taught. My whole life I've I've never known anything else. So, I'd be screwed. Yeah, I could take a go at it. I probably fail if I could manage for a little while, but not terribly long.

Right. So, Mike, are we heading to Civil War? You know, um I think I don't want to be too academic about this. uh we'd have to define the terms here and including the the the defined term of civil war. And what what do I mean by that? Exactly what James said that uh that the the parties involved this would not be the the the blue uniforms versus the gray uniforms. And even then I would argue that the war of northern aggression was not so clearly defined and scholars agree that it's not really north versus south. It's not one issue. It's not what the left tells you. It's over slavery and whatever. Um it's it comp complicated um conflict with a lot of interests and a lot of different points of view. And it just so happened that there were some about 600,000 ponds on the board that lost their lives.

Over the long term, I think all societies do devolve into chaos. So mathematically, yes, we certainly will have um what could be described as a civil war. Um that's a mathematical certainty. It will happen. The not it's not it's a question of when, not if. Uh because all societies undergo those things. Um but I think the question you're really asking is whether or not the the shot into Charlie Kirk's neck is is accelerating that. And I think the answer to that is probably a yes. But I I don't know how to measure by what degree it accelerates it. Yeah. Nor can I necessarily say that okay it's instead of being in five years it's in three years or instead of 50 years it's 40 years. It's it's very difficult to make a prediction like that.

I would end my comment by just wondering what life would have been like in 1839 America. You know, was was the conflict foreseeable at that point in time and who foresaw it and who and and who warned about it? Who were the who were the people that that were attuned to it? Just like we had people in, you know, 19 10 um scholars u there in fact there was a there's a couple marine uh uh expeditionary uh scholars who were were talking in even in in the inter war period in like 1925 about how amphibious landing would be necessary for the next war and how you know and and and they were warning we have to Get ready. We need to be able to land amphibiously into the latoral areas of the world. That's where the next great war will be fought sooner than you guys think. Who are the people who are out there now who can see it clearly? I I don't know that I can see it as clearly as I used to think I could see it clearly because I'm more confused now than ever. I don't know who's who. And I' I've talked privately with probably with James and Ryan about that. I I don't I can't tell who's a good actor anymore.

All right, here's your last question. What was the cause of the Civil War? I mean, I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run, the freedoms and what people could and couldn't do. Actually, there were numerous causes aside from the obvious schism between abolitionists and anti-abolitionists. I mean, I think it always comes down to the role of government. We need to have capitalism. We need to have economic freedom. We need to make sure that we do all things so that individuals have the liberties so that they can have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to do or be anything they want to be without government getting in the way. Economic factors, both domestic and international predic just say slavery. Slavery it is, sir. I forgot you had that. I've never seen that before.

But Mike, you posted something interesting earlier today um in in reference to the assassination of Archduke France Ferdinand, which was kind of you said individually the three and you were posted about Charlie Kirk, the the Ukrainian woman, and then the tragedy, the rampage at the enunciation school. You said the three may not measure out to the killing of an arch duke, but in some uh we may be witnessing something equally profound. I was curious to know what you what exactly you had in mind there.

Well, not to contradict the the saliloquy I just gave you, but I I was really in my mind sort of imagining that it exactly what I said, especially with Kirk, that a line has been crossed that we may not be aware of. M and I think that I think maybe the most accurate thing to say about uh our times right now is we are in civil war. We're living in a civil war. That's a very good point. And you know the the the question is is how Connecticut will be. But the the for the the forces that hate Christ are on the move. They're maneuvering. They're scheming. They're influencing, they're secretly killing people and making them disappear or whatever. There's a lot happening right now. And um the best I think they they figured this out, you know, since the the implementation of Stalinist version of c of communism um we probably won't see that ever again. But the subversion and the covert implementation of an Americanstyle communism in which you just give the masses the masses their weed and their Netflix and their sports ball and they won't and and they won't realize that they're in a working camp that they're that they're being dispossessed of their assets systematically uh that they're being sterilized, poisoned, and you know, whatever. Um, and so I think maybe if you if you apply that same um um methodology, the the covert subvers subversive implementation of communism, we probably are having a covert uh subversive civil war right now that we're in and we're not even aware of it. And so I think I think they're trying to win a war without having a war, if that makes sense.

Oh, that makes a lot of sense actually. Makes sense. I think a much more plausible scenario is that we end up in some form of the Hunger Games in real life. Like that that seems to me where we're kind of headed. I don't know. That could very well be. I I mean, it depends on how things play out. But yeah, if we have a thing where you get mass violence in all American cities and suburban areas and whatnot between right and left in those areas and the government comes in, you could see national emergencies, FEMA zones, whatever. and people kind of, you know, stuck in these sorts of areas. And then but then you have multiple urban areas like kind of their main district. I I forget how it all worked in Hunger Games. It's been a while, right? But um the districts closer to the capital were the the more affluent and wealthy and and treated they were like the the wealthy slaves basically. And then the further away from the capital, the worse things got for you on a material level. Yeah. Because you you kids, you don't actually want people closest to you to be the ones who rise up. You gota gota plate them a little bit more. Yeah. You know, to give them a sense of belonging and status and influence. Hey, you're not like those animals on the other side. Right.

I think uh Charlie's assassination does really kind of, you know, symbolize, hey, wake up. You are in a civil war right now. Might not be an absolute open warfare and and it's not going to be, you know, uh, you know, north versus south, gray versus, blue versus gray, whatever. It's not going to be that. It's going to be, you know, you know, you people in every city, every suburb, every, you know, even out like in the boondocks where I am, there's this one house got a rainbow flag and an FT Trump flag up there. And I'm like, how did you end up up here? You know, whatever. I don't care. He certainly he certainly cares. Um, you know, it it's uh it'll be if there what kind of civil war we'd have, I'm not really even sure. Um, you know, but it's it's going to be a bloodbath.

I think that the war that we're involved in now is the same war that's always been raging since since Lucifer fell. It's it's not right versus left, it's good versus evil. Yes. That's the war. That's the only That's the only war that matters. And it's and the lines are getting clearer and clearer. And I Ra Raymond Ibraham, an author who's written some books that I I have a couple on my shelf like Sword and Scimitar. I haven't actually read the whole thing. I'd like to at some point. I I have way more books than I've actually read, unfortunately. Um, but he released a video like a month ago and I happened to see him mention it on Twitter today where he's explaining we really need to get out of this mindset of right versus left because it's a way of legitim left is simply evil. Like it's good versus evil. It's right versus wrong. We need to stop legitimizing evil by saying well it's just left. It's just on the opposite spectrum of right. That that whole paradigm needs to go away. Right. And you know, I mean, we're in a situation right now, and GK Chest says this very well. It's a situation of Hudge versus Gudge. You know, they're both the same people. Uh, and we see this obviously with, uh, people who call themselves, uh, conservatives or Republicans or whatever, but they basically espouse leftist ideology and they dress it up. Look at uh Dave Rubin for instance or uh what's this guy's name? The guy with the long long hair who's doing the uh Scott or something. Scott Presler, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Ex Exactly. Well, you know, sorry buddy. Like I the more I look at him, the more he's looks like he's turning into a a transcot, you know, meaning like a trans mascot, you know? So, he's turning into a trans cop, you know, with each passing day. and Republicans out there are cheering him on and asking that he be given, you know, a little bit more uh power within the so-called conservative movement Republican party. And there's a governor of Florida out there congratulating uh people for uh basically purchasing children who shouldn't be purchasing children, you know, in general. He's congratulating two men for purchasing babies and sent them a gift of diapers for the babies, you know. So, we're we're in this cultural battle. We don't understand or rather society at large has lost its understanding of what good versus evil is. Right now, we're living in this throws in this battle um more than just ideas, right? Like Matt, you said it well. this is good versus evil, you know, and uh we can't simply look at labels anymore of left and right and conclude that, you know, the right has it all, right? You know, so the more we understand what we're fighting against so that we can separate ourselves from from all of this, the better it'll be for us in the long run.

Exactly. I think the best the best phrase to sum all of it up really is Christ or chaos. Those are the two options. Christ or chaos. Yes. Yeah, that's it. Well, on that note, you know, it's it's been a while. Thank you all in the chat again. Awesome chat as always. And uh we have four geysers blue eating for an hour and a half or more almost two hours now. So with that, uh we will catch you next time.

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