"They'll Have Babies!" Rachel Wilson Exposes Why The Iran War Will End Feminism | Jack Neel

Do you think Jenzie women will be drafted for Iran? It would be the first draft where I think they qualify.

I think one of the best things we could do to fix this problem is draft women. And here's why. Women in the military as soon as they get called up for active duty, there's this phenomenon. The first thing they do is get pregnant and then they can't be called into battle, right? So, I think if we did draft women, if we said, "Okay, feminists, fair, uh, you guys want equality." Um, because one of the big arguments out there right now, popularized by people like my husband or Brian Atlas, is, "Hey, women don't have to sign up for the draft and men do. We could be called into battle at any time and you guys can't. So, why should you have equal political say?" And I think we should say, "Okay, if you want to vote, sign up for the draft." And I think if we just had that requirement, a whole lot of women would go, "Don't know. I don't know if I'm that passionate about voting. Maybe I'm not." And it's really interesting. Like if you made all women uh have to sign up for the draft, but you don't have to uh get drafted if you have a kid. I wonder how many would have kids genuinely.

So I always say that I don't believe women when they say they want true equality. And the reason I don't believe that is because 90% of all infrastructure jobs, which are usually difficult, dirty, and dangerous jobs, are still held by men. Women have had a hundred years to decide that they want to be trash collectors, uh, wastewater treatment managers, um, lumberjacks, working on, you know, oil rigs, uh, power linemen, things like this, roofing, stuff that, um, you know, you can die in your job. Men still overwhelmingly die on the job at far higher rates than women. We still do most of the same jobs that we did a 100 years ago. We basically just swapped uh farm labor for HR work, but we're still mostly just secretaries, nurses, um early childhood educators, retail workers, line cooks, waitresses, things like that. So, um, when women want to take on jobs that they could die in, that are going to break their bodies down, you know, at a fast rate, they're going to find out right away. Like, uh, you know, I'll have people insist to me women can be roofers and I'm like, where's all the female own, female only roofing companies? They tried to do that in England and I think it survived a couple years and then they it went out of business, right?

What would society look like if we reached true equality? Like can you paint uh a picture of like what a woman's life would look like?

Oh, it would be it would be horrible. Um, if women had to equally really do what men have to do if they had if they had the same exact standards where you couldn't get by at all, you couldn't uh the fact that you're pretty or that you know men might want to sleep with you or marry you or have children with you. If that just was out of the equation, um there's actually a woman who tried to do this. She uh dressed as a man and lived like a man for like a year and it was so awful she quit and then ended up very tragically committing suicide. But she said life is horrible for men. It's so bad for men. I had no idea. Um, if women had to like let's say 50% of garbage men had to be women now. Then I would take feminism a lot more seriously. If you had to get up at 4 in the morning, get on the back of a garbage truck. You've seen the guys where they hold on to the thing and then they got to stop and pick up the trash, throw it in the back. They're dealing with dirty things, sharp things, dangerous things. They're using their physical strength to hold on to the back of the truck all day and and hoist, you know, things that are 30 to 50 pounds up over their heads into a truck. If they had to do farm labor, if they had to do uh things like underwater welding that only men do, you know, these work on oil rigs perhaps.

Yes. And everybody's probably seen the videos of men doing these things. you know, they're getting like my husband used to have a job in food factories as a robotics mechanic where he'd have to go down into like really tight, dangerous spaces where he had to wear like a gas mask and if there was a leak or anything, he could die from inhaling ammonia. He saw um a guy get, you know, all of his flesh burned off his entire lower arm. Uh saw a guy cut his hand off on a lathe once. um you know, having to drive people to the ER bleeding and hoping that they don't die as part of your job versus women who still I'm not saying there aren't some important things women do. Of course we we want nurses and we like when when we have women, you know, teachers and things like that and women have always done those jobs. That's fine. But they're not doing the really difficult, dirty, dangerous work that men do. And if they had true equality and had to do that, I think they would all pretty much immediately go back in the kitchen. It's like that meme where World War III starts and suddenly the feminists are all washing dishes in the kitchen. Um, because yeah, that's what we see like uh when when female soldiers get, you know, called to action, they end up pregnant immediately. Um, and we just don't see women clamoring for equality in those jobs. And really what they want is, you know, power, opportunity, and self-enrichment. Fine, that's fair. But again, we men don't have power without all this responsibility. And that's what women always miss. They don't realize that yes, maybe men have some advantage. Maybe they have some power. Maybe they're bigger and stronger, so they're always going to have the monopoly on force. But the responsibility and the difficulty that goes along with those things, you probably don't actually want that. And a lot of women will say they do until they have to experience it and then they're like, "Okay, never mind." So, I think it'd be great if if we um if we said, "Okay, if you want to be equal, then you got to sign up for the draft." And we're going to start recruiting women straight out of high school um for front lines combat in the military. We're going to recruit them for uh the dirty, dangerous, and difficult jobs. We want 50% representation for women in all of the top 20 jobs where men are dying on the job. We want that to be 50% women. Hope you make it. you know, good luck to you. If there was something like that, like a lottery where like say it you're a senior in high school and there's all these college things you can do and there's all these jobs you can do and we just do it as a lottery. You just draw a random number and that's the job that you get. And women had equal representation in men's jobs, feminism would end tomorrow. It would be over tomorrow. They would say that in fact they would demand that we end feminism because they'd say this is not safe. This is this is horrible. Look what you're do. Women can't do this. And that's all of the anti-suffragist women made these arguments in the 1800s. They said, "Look, the the purpose of government is to protect property and people. We're women. We can't do that. We can't protect national borders. We can't defend people. If someone's being violently, you know, assaulted, you don't call a woman to come save you. You call a policeman, right? If if your house is on fire, you call the firemen, you know? And we used to have uh things like you had to do compulsory fire brigade service to vote. There used to be all these restrictions on voting even for men where if if men weren't paying a pole tax or if they couldn't pass a civics test or a religious test in some places or if they weren't a certain age or didn't own property or didn't do some kind of civil service, they couldn't vote either. And I think um it'd be good if we went back to something more merit-based rather than this idea that everyone deserves. You know, this word deserve drives me nuts. Everybody deserves just because they exist. And women deserve and women will tell you all day. You ask a woman, "What do you think women deserve?" And they'll tell you, "I think they deserve freedom and equality and they should have this and they should have that and they should be able to do whatever they want." You say, "Okay, and I've asked this question. What duties do women have?" And they go, "What do you mean?" They don't even know what what they've never thought of that. They don't even understand the question, right? Does a woman have a duty to anyone or anything outside herself? and they'll just sit there and look at you gobsmacked like well I don't know and I haven't gotten a good answer yet. Um, so I think that sure you have rights but you have duties and if you have rights with no duties then that's just entitlement.

Rachel, your daughters are growing up in a world where the most popular career choices for young women are things like social media, OnlyFans creator, uh, and teenage girls are being recruited into witchcraft on WitchTok, TikTok.

As a mother of four daughters, what is the hardest part of raising girls in 2026?

The internet. Just just keeping them off of it for as long as possible. And I think my husband has said this publicly too. When they were younger, we didn't know how bad it was cuz we are from a different generation. We didn't know some of the things that go on online and stuff like that. And if we had to go back and do it over, we would have kept them off of phones and social media even more than we did. We thought we were doing enough, but looking back, we would have like cracked down on that even more. And my older daughters actually agree. Like my older ones will say, "Mom, you cannot let the younger ones on this stuff. You got to take away all these things. Don't let them have this app. Don't let them have that app." And and the older ones will even kind of help police the younger one because they're like, "This is not good for you. You shouldn't be watching any of this. You shouldn't be in Discord. Discord is crazy. Get off of Roblox. There's bad stuff in there." You know? So I think the hardest part is the internet because in like the orthodox interpretation of Genesis is not that the tree of knowledge of good and evil was some kind of you know perverted test by God or some kind of trap that God laid. That as Adam and Eve grew spiritually and became more like God and learned and became wise that they would be ready to eat from the knowledge of the tree of good and evil. but that they did so at a time when they were not ready for it yet and that's why it corrupted them. And it's kind of like that with kids. The internet can be good and it can be bad. And until you're old enough and you've got enough wisdom to discern those things, putting the whole world in a child's hand and expecting them to handle that is nuts. It's crazy. And so I think uh yeah, I would definitely put way more restrictions on that. I think that like if we could have as much uh blocking of children from internet websites as possible, like if we could make it 18 and up for so many things, I would be in favor of that. I just think it's you just can't throw that much at a child and their brain and their limited experience and expect things not to go horribly wrong.

You lost one of your children. What was his name?

Jeffrey.

Jeffrey. Mhm. He was 10.

Yeah.

There's a question I think only you can answer. What do you think God was trying to teach Mary when he took her son away?

Well, the orthodox interpretation of why Christ died is a little bit different than like the western conception. Um, in western thinking, um, they tend to believe in something called penal substitutionary atonement. This idea that Christ took on the sin of the world and died for our sins to pay a debt to God that we couldn't pay. Now, if you believe Christ was God, if you're a trinitarian and you believe that Christ is the second person of the Godhead, this becomes a problem because either you're splitting the Trinity against itself where one person of the Trinity has to, you know, appease the other um or you're you end up like in an Arian or in a story position where Christ must have not been fully divine or he must have just been human or something like that. Um, I what the Orthodox believe is that Christ died to enter Hades. And this is something called the heroine of Hades. It's a doctrine that's kind of lost in the West. So after the crucifixion and Christ's death, he descended into Hades. And we kind of skip over that, right? I was raised Protestant. We kind of skipped over that. We just talk about the uh resurrection and the ascension. But when he went into Hades, he defeated the power of death and took the keys of hell back and actually resurrected the Old Testament patriarchs. And it says right in the New Testament that when Christ resurrected and people saw him walking around, they also saw the Old Testament patriarchs resurrected with him and walking around. And I was like, how did I in all my 40 years as a Protestant never never noticed that? Never heard a thing about it in church. So that's something that as Orthodox we really focus on and we have a whole like chant that we do every uh Easter. Christ is risen from the dead trampling down death by death and upon those in the tombs bestowing life. And we say it over and over and over. We say it about a hundred times by the time we're done with our Pascha service. And it's to it's to really impress upon us the fact that we were rescued from death. Death has no power anymore over us. Um, and I think losing a child, the thing that it impressed upon me, I immediately had this bizarre sense of relief that I'm not God. Thank God I'm not God. Thank God I'm not in charge of who's born, who dies, when they die, how they die. That these things are you you get this sense of helplessness that kind of makes you realize you are not God and you are not equipped to make those decisions and that you have no idea like I have no idea what would have happened had that never happened and he lived or had something turned out differently or he had survived but been very badly you know injured he was in a car accident that's how he passed away so you get this sense of gratitude that God who knows all things and can see all ends is in charge of that and not me because I can't see all ends and I don't know all things and I don't know what everything is for. I have a limited understanding as a human being and when I would express that to people they thought it was really weird. They thought it was like a really strange thing to say. But um I I don't know how people get through that kind of suffering without a belief in God. Um, I know that atheists have a lot of reasons and things that they'll say, but um I don't believe that just because he was only alive for 10 years that he his life did not matter. That's why I still always say I'm a mother of five because I am. Um, and I don't know what else to take from it other than that God is in charge and he is merciful and he is loving and he is just. And the suffering that we go through in this life, at least from an orthodox perspective, is for the benefit of our salvation. We're each born at a time and a place that is best suited to our salvation. And the things that happen to us, God can take the worst things and and make them for good. So, who knows what would have happened had that not happened. And at the time, you're just you're just trying to breathe moment to moment and keep your head above water. It was like that for me for like 2 and 1/2 years. I gained a ton of weight. I just couldn't care about myself. The only reason I got up every day was because I had four other kids that really needed me. And Andrew and I really focused on, you know, our relationship and keeping our marriage together because the statistics on that are terrifying. like 88% of people who lose a child divorce. It's crazy. And I thought the only thing that could make this worse is if we divorced or something and or if I ended up at the bottom of a whiskey bottle like my mom and never came out and then my other four kids have to raise themselves and it's like they lost their mother and their brother. So, um I think without that sense of purpose and without um my Christian worldview, I don't know that I would have gotten up every day and kept going. I don't know that I would have had this sense that because I'm here and I'm still alive, God has something for me and there's work to be done and I need to get up and do that regardless of how bad it is and how bad I feel. Um, if you don't have that, I don't know that I would have I might have just quit. I might have just given up because it's it was that bad. I mean, anybody who's lost a child will tell you it's like it's you can't even explain it to somebody what it does to you and how it changes you and changes your view. But, you know, it gave me something to fight for. It was like I'm still here for something and he's not. And so, I have to do right by my son by doing the absolute best I can with whatever time I have left here. Like, I I owe it to him and he wouldn't want me to quit. He wouldn't want me to give up.

Do you remember at that time like if there's something Andrew would tell you to kind of give you comfort or if there was something like did you feel like he was comforting you? Did you feel like you were comforting him? Like was it kind of like a mutual thing like like when you looked to him and asked him like I can't deal with this. This is so hard. Like like do you remember what he was saying to you at the time?

Um, a lot of it was more unspoken things. Um, and that's the only time I've ever see that man actually just like cry. I mean, cry like a baby cry. Um, was when that happened. He's a very stoic guy and he's very in control of his emotions. Um, but, you know, he he's Jeffrey's stepdad, but he had been there since he was 2 years old and they had a great bond and they were really close. Um, and I think it was more just like the two of us. We started this when we when we decided, okay, we're going to get married and we're going to have a family and we're either all in or we're not. Like, we knew it wasn't going to work if we weren't all in. And this was just us like reaffirming to each other this this is the kind of thing where we need to be all in. There is no room for um you know, giving up or quitting or um retreating from each other or avoiding each other. So, I think we just doubled down. Like I always say, I think of him first. I put him first in everything and I take care of him first. And he does the same thing for me. There's wild people on the internet that think that Andrew is like abusive to me. It couldn't be any further from the truth. For one thing, I was in an abusive marriage before him. And when he met me, the guy was still I still had a restraining order. It had gotten very violent. It was very dangerous. The guy was still coming around. And the first thing he did was take me to a shooting range and teach me how to shoot so that I could defend myself. He said, "Just the fact that you have this and know how to use it will get rid of these types of guys." And he was right about that. So, I ended up becoming a firearms instructor and teaching other women how to shoot and use uh pistols for self-defense and get concealed carry licenses and things like that. So, he started off, you know, definitely as the kind of guy who's going to shield me from abuse and help me protect myself rather than ever abuse or take advantage of me. He's always been very protective of me and he's always put me first, you know what I mean? Um, and when Jeff passed away, he he just doubled down on that. He took care of things like I'll never be able to repay him for what he did for me. Like even the night that we found out, him calling people to tell them the news, him setting up funeral arrangements, him taking care of things like that cuz he knew I was just in no shape to do it. I was just like I was in total shell shock. So he he just stepped in and did those things regardless of even what he was going through. He he was just like, I got to do this because she can't do it. And um we just like doubled down on making sure that we were taking care of each other because I think both of us had like no sense of giving a [ __ ] about ourselves for those first couple years. You just you're so depressed. You don't you don't care about yourself. You're like I just I don't care. Like I can get up and brush my teeth and put on clothes and that's about all I can manage. So but I do care about him and I do love him. So, I took care of him. And same thing for him. He was like, "Well, I don't really feel like I want to keep going right now, but she needs me, so I'm going to be there for her, and I'm going to do what I can to make today a little bit better for her or make it a little less terrible." So, it really just helped us relearn taking care of each other and putting each other first. And I think that that's what those trials are for. Uh, the Orthodox conception of marriage is that you are dying to your own will. It's a sacrament for us. It's not just a living arrangement. It's not just a sharing of household duties. It's not just for procreation. The orthodox conception of marriage is that it's teaching you how to die to your own will for the sake of someone else like Christ did for us. To get back to your question, um like God does for us. And that if we can die to our own will for the sake of our spouse and their salvation, we are doing the same thing with God. We are aligning our will with God. we are um forsaking ourselves for some for the love of someone else and that's so much greater and what you get in return for that is you get another person who's doing that for you and then it's like marriage becomes easy I'm not saying you don't ever fight I'm not saying you don't ever go through hard times but it's like it's automatic for us now and people always go I wonder what their fights are like because they're both debaters it must be such a cr and we really don't fight

Yeah, I would guess you wouldn't.

We just really don't fight. And always says says, "You just choose not to fight."

He's like, "I know that sounds way too simple, but you just choose not to." Um, and you know, I I do submit to him. Like, if he tells me, "Uh, I don't think you should do that debate. I don't think it's a good idea." I go, "All right." He goes, "Hey, that tweet was out of line. You need to delete the tweet." I go, "Fine. All right. I'll delete the tweet." You know, or something [laughter] like that. But

What's the last tweet your husband made you delete?

I don't even remember it. I think it was probably I think it was something where he was going to do a debate that he hadn't announced yet and I said something about it and he didn't want the details getting out just yet.

But usually it'll be me being a little bit too sassy,

me going a little bit too hard. Sometimes sometimes he's like, "Oh, that was pretty good." But sometimes he's like, "No, delete that." And I'll delete it. Um, and that's hard, you know? It's hard to I I'm a very opinionated person. And I'm in some ways the weirdest person to be out here talking about this cuz I'm very headstrong and I'm very opinionated and I am very self-directed and very independent. I had to be from a really young age. But uh it's been the best thing for me to learn to trust my husband and submit to him in all things uh just like I would unto the Lord. It's like this weird thing happens when you do that and you have a good man for a husband. He becomes the absolute best husband that you could ever want because he knows he knows he's like she's going to do whatever I say so I better get it right. Like she depends on me to be the leader and she's going to follow me so I'd better make sure I'm pointed in the right direction cuz I don't want her to follow me into, you know, something bad. I don't want her to follow me into destruction. And so suddenly like the man feels like everything I do is pretty important and I need to be the best version of myself because I have this responsibility. Now of course if you marry some jerk douchebag that's not going to work. But if I'm assuming that if you marry a man, you're you have vetted him and you think he's a good guy and that at his base core he's a virtuous human being, right? And if that's the case and you submit to him, yes, it does impress upon him, whoa, like same thing that happens when a man becomes a father. If he's a good man, he goes, I need to be a good example. I need to try my best. I need to improve myself. if I need to be aiming towards virtue because people are, you know, my children are paying attention and following me. It's the same thing with a wife. So, if you want good men in society, you can't tell them to lead and then say, "But I'll follow you if I feel like I want to, and if I agree, and then if I don't, I'm going to fight you on it." And it's that balance that we were talking about. I think also too it's useful to marry a strong man but realize what actual strength looks like for a young woman listening to this right now whose mother professors and algorithm are telling her that career comes before family. What message do you want her to know?

I would love for her to know that uh read Proverbs 31 in the Bible. The Proverbs 31 woman um is a great description of like a biblical woman and she does a lot of things. You'll notice when you read that passage, she does things like buy and sell land. She makes decisions for the household. She runs a household that has servants. Now, we don't have servants now, but if you're running a modern household with kids and a family, you're making all the health care decisions. You have a lot of responsibility. You know, we all know everything that it takes to run a family. It's a big job and it it requires you to be competent. Um, this idea that housewives are dumb bimbos that lay on the couch all day watching soap operas, not if you're doing it right and certainly not if you have multiple kids. It's a lot of work and you're in charge of people's whole lives and running this whole household. And um, you don't need to define yourself by a career and a job. That's it's a very modern idea. First of all, that's like a post-industrial idea that we are our job. That's crazy. Um, you're not your job. You're not your degree. You are a person. And if you really want purpose and you want to define yourself as who you are, become a mom because you'll find out what you're made of and you'll find out who you are really quickly. And um, this idea that like you're at risk or you're going to regret it. No. The Proverbs 31 woman uh goes about her day and handles her responsibilities. The only difference is she's doing it for her family. She's doing it on behalf of her husband, on behalf of her family, and not for a corporate boss, not for the government, not for some system that doesn't care about her. She's doing all of the things. She's she's an authority over her children, over her servants, over the decisions she's making. She's central. She's important, but she's important to the people around her. She's important to her own family and her own community and to her church. And that's better. Like, if you want freedom, if feminism was really about freedom, I feel like as a stay-at-home mom, I had way more freedom. I got up every day and decided what we're going to do, when we're going to do it, the order it needs to be done. I can prioritize according to what I think matters most. I don't have to get up and stick to a schedule that's appointed to me by someone else where I feel like uh there's really more important things I want to get to, but I have to do this crap for 8 hours and then maybe if there's time after I can take care of the stuff I actually care about. Freedom and independence is having your own family, making your own family. And um you get to discover like what you're good at and what you want to learn and what you want to do with your life. And by putting your family first, I think we give women backwards advice. We say career first, maybe family later if there's time. No, no, no. I'd say do your family first. Find a great guy while you're young. um before both of you have been through, you know, 30 different boyfriends and girlfriends and had your heart broken a million times and all you're good at is breaking up. That's what we do now. We teach people to date and date and date and date and have so many different boyfriends and girlfriends that all you get good at is breaking up with somebody and moving on to the next one. You don't ever get good at staying with someone and learning the skills of being a wife and being a husband because that's a skill set and you have to learn it. We're not born good wives and husbands. So find someone young who shares your worldview, your uh spiritual views, uh the life that you want. You kind of have a shared mission together and build a life and a family with that person first. Do it when you're young cuz number one, having babies is a young woman's game. I can tell you it was easier at 20 than it was at 32. Uh trying to get up with and chase after toddlers in your 40s is tough. It's much easier. Your body bounces back faster. You're at lower risk for health complications. you're you're going to have an easier time getting pregnant, all of that. So, have your kids in your family young and then you'll be like me and you'll be 45 and they're pretty much all grown up and moved out. Like, I have two at home. One of them is about to be an adult and the other one's only a couple years away from that. So, now I do have time to do other things like be here with you, write a book in my spare time, stuff like that. There's a lot of life after kids if you do that first. So, it's not that you can't do all the things or be more than a mom or do other things besides just raise kids. It's just that you're setting yourself up for failure by putting that on the back burner and doing everything else first, if that makes sense.

What does the comment section of a happily married woman look like?

Uh, it looks like people trying to convince me that I'm not happy. Uh, people trying to convince me that actually, you know, I'm brainwashed into being happily married. Like I love my husband a lot and I kind of get made fun of for singing for him. Like I'll get called Ra Rachel Will S, which I think is cute. Um, you know, I'm always like kind of gushing over him. I really just I just think he's the coolest, most awesome guy ever. I just love him more the longer I'm with him. And that bugs people. It's very surprising to me how much people hate that. It's like I don't know if it comes from jealousy or if it comes from just that it's been so cool for so long for women and men to hate each other and dunk on each other and every sitcom has wives that can't stand their husbands and think he's a bumbling [ __ ] who can't do anything without her. I don't know what it is, but it's like I'm constantly being told, "Oh, you're actually brainwashed. Uh, you actually uh, you know, you're just too scared to leave him and you're stuck in a cycle of abuse." And I'm just like, uh, I was in a cycle of abuse. I've been with Andrew for almost two decades now and he's been nothing but fantastic to me. Like just I depend on him for everything cuz he's awesome and he really comes through and he's totally dependable and he's always there whenever I need him for anything. So the comment section usually looks like some people going, "Wow, this is really white pilling and it gives me a lot of hope and I hope I can find a marriage like this someday. That would be great." And then the other half of the comments is actually he's ugly and fat and he smokes and he swears and you should be ashamed and he's disgusting and you're awful and you're brainwashed and it's like yeah.

Are these men leaving these comments?

Uh, it's more women. It's more women. It's most of the men uh are like, "Wow, that's really cool that you guys have such a great relationship and you genuinely like really love each other." Cuz Andrew will do streams where he's watching me debate or something and they're always like, "I never seen a man so proud in all my life." You know, he just you can just see him beaming with pride when his wife's doing a good job and that's so cute, you know? So, some people love it and they think it's adorable and they're like, I want that, you know? I want that. I want a super like best friend, wife, husband dynamic where um, you know, we have this shared mission and shared worldview and we're really close and we're just in it to the end no matter what. and they think that's great. And then there's just this, it's usually women, but there are a few like more feminist men that just I don't know what it is about me, but I trigger like the feminist men. They hate me with a burning passion. They're just like And I think it's because I I ruin their sneaky [ __ ] um mating strategy. And that's guys who can't compete. Guys who are, you know, tend to get friend-zoned a lot. They'll take on a feminist persona. They'll act like they're girls friends. Oh, I'm just one of the girls. I'm just hanging out with you. And they'll kind of wait until one of those women is like, you know, post breakup. She's had a little too much to drink. She's a little sad and then they make their move type of a thing. You know,

That's actually what I meant earlier when I said look for a strong man. Cuz I think that every man that a woman realizes to not be strong is really that kind of person.

Yes.

It's uh appearing weak so they appear not to be a threat, but those people are typically the biggest threats. That's the exact trap that I fell into when I was young. Um, and it was Yeah, I mean, it's my responsibility. Ultimately, I chose the first two men that I tried to make a family with. So, that's on me. But, it did not help that all the messaging from, you know, everybody from my mother to the culture was like, "No, those strong men are toxic and bad and they're the ones who are going to hurt you." So, the ones that were telling me everything I wanted to hear and presenting themselves as Prince Charming and then, you know, you marry him and he's a totally different person and you're like, "Oh crap, I'm screwed." Um, that was bad. Don't recommend it. Yeah. So, like a a strong guy who has boundaries is the guy you want.

A guy who knows how to maintain boundaries is the one who's going to protect you and also not let you walk all over him. Because women make this mistake all the time. They think they want a man who's going to take orders from them and do what they want. And then they get that guy and their ovaries shrivel up. They're no longer attracted to him. They have no respect for him. And then they resent him. And that's you see a lot of women in that situation where they're married to a guy that they ultimately don't really respect cuz he kind of lets her push him around. He kind of just goes, "Oh, happy wife, happy life." And then they resent each other and it's just this like slow boil of resentment and they just kind of stay together and it fers until they get divorced. It's like something has thrown off women's gauge of being able to identify what makes them feel safe.

Birth control. Birth control will do that too. It actually change. Like they've done a bunch of studies showing that birth control cuz it tricks your body into thinking you're pregnant. And when you're pregnant um the type of mate that you're looking for is more docile and more um because you've already been fertilized, I guess. So it's your brain's way of saying like we need like the nice guy now. Whereas, and women will tell me this, like I get emails and messages from women. They're like, "I've been off birth control for 6 months, and I'm finding whole different men attractive than I ever did before." Like, suddenly I'm I'm into a whole different type of guy than I ever was. Like, no more of these artsy, skinny boys who are like, you know, uh, liberal arts majors. I'm I'm liking the tall guy with the cowboy boots and the beard all of a sudden. Like, what's happening? Uh, yeah, birth control will do that. And then I think the cultural propaganda does that a lot too.

It's like this really basic idea of like I would guess like when a girl meets a guy that's actually a good partner for her long term like she should be scared of him when she meets him. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah.

It's like if you're not like a little like frightened by him like it's like how no one else will be either.

Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] you know, um, and like sure a guy should make you feel safe, but he if he overly does it then and and it's authentic, then the way and he acts that way to other men, he's not going to get what he wants either, you know? Yeah.

Cuz if you act docile to other men, like I don't know, like any guys listening to this that have done that, like it doesn't work out very well, you know?

You're right. Jordan Peterson, that was one thing he got right. He used to say, uh, a good man is a dangerous man. because if you're not dangerous, you can't really do much good in the world. So, a a dangerous man who's completely in control of himself is like the best guy you can get. And that's what I think I have. I mean, Andrew has we had a home invasion some years back and he there were people in our basement. They had broken into our basement and um were rummaging through things and he went to the top of the stairs with a shotgun, pumped it, and yelled something super scary at them and they ran off. I mean, he didn't have to think about it. He didn't hesitate. He didn't hide behind me or anything like that. Um, and you know, scared them off and those people got arrested and went to prison and everything. So, um, and then there was another time at a party where somebody said something like really rude and off color to me and he open palm slapped the guy and knocked him out standing on his feet. But at the same time, if if I'm getting like a really [ __ ] attitude with him that's totally undeserved, he'll be like, "You need to go take a nap." And you don't talk to me like that. You know, there was I always tell this story about when we first started dating and I was being kind of a brat and I threw a remote control at him for some reason. Don't even remember what it was, but I was just being a sassy brat. And he just looked at me and he went, "I don't date girls who throw things at me, so I'm going to leave now. and if you ever want to see me again, uh, you should call me and apologize." And he just walked out. Now, he didn't yell. He didn't get into a fight with me. He just calmly asserted like, "This is a boundary that you don't cross that I won't put up with." And at first, I was like, "What did I got?" Like, you know, I got in my feelings about it and then I went, "Oh crap, am I the girl that throws things? Am I the girl that throws stuff at guys? Like, I don't want to be her. I don't want to be like that." I was. And then I was like, "Dang it, he's right." You know? So just my ability to say to myself, "Ah, yeah, like objectively he's right. That was out of pocket obnoxious behavior." And no man who respects himself is going to want that helped me. It helped me to correct behavior like habits that I had probably picked up growing up that I didn't even know that I had. And he was just calmly assertive. He He never yells at me. He doesn't uh raise his voice to me like really ever. he'll just calmly be like, "No, that's not happening. This is what, you know, this is what we're going to do." Um, and sometimes he most of the time he takes a lot of care to like explain what he's thinking. But he sometimes he's like, "Look, I don't have time or patience to explain this right now. This is just what I need you to do and you got to trust me." And I go, "Okay." You know,

What do you see is happening right now? Like what is the biggest SCOP happening right now to women?

I don't know that there's anything super new. Um, it's usually just it's usually just like the any attempt to remove illegal immigrants or shut the border down or anything like that. Um, is going to end up in the handmaid's tale, right? That like uh you're going to people are just going to be put in cages and and raped. people are going to be, you know, like that if we give the government the power to just like actually defend the border and, you know, remove people who are here illegally or something that this necessarily means, oh, you know what it is? The other one is the abortion stuff. So, I think the biggest sigh up is, and I've seen a female political candidates on X saying this garbage, and I will correct them with facts and post it everywhere. I have Democrat women running for office in Texas telling people stuff like women are dying right now because they can't get health care because of abortion laws. And I'm like, "No, they're not. Why are you saying why are you They're like, well, women are hesitating to get treatment for miscarriages because they're afraid they'll get prosecuted.

for an abortion." And I'm like, I know a friend of mine who just had an ectopic pregnancy. It was an emergency and it was taken care of right away. That is not true. There was nobody stopped us to make sure she wasn't having an abortion. Like, this is just lies. And if you look up the actual facts of it, you can easily find this out.

But there are pro-abortion groups that are putting out talking points that are very misleading. So they won't outright say women are dying directly due to the law change. They'll say it creates confusion that may lead some women to hesitate to get treatment in time. And then they'll give you a case and they'll say, "Well, this woman died of a hemorrhage, uh, because she waited too long to get treatment after, you know, having a miscarriage or something like that." So, nobody's actually dying because abortion is illegal. Okay?

[clears throat] But they'll frame it in a way, and this is always the case with feminism. It's always comes down to framing. They will say something that sounds like it must be true, but really, when you look into it, it's not. For example, they'll say things like, "One in three women on every college campus will be sexually assaulted." And you go, "One in three? Wow, that's, that's a terrible problem." And when you look into that, it's actually not true. The actual crime statistics of women even reporting that a sexual assault happened is something like less than 2%. But they get the one in three number from surveys, self-reported surveys where [snorts] they ask women things like, "Have you ever felt regret the next day after sleeping with someone or felt like maybe the fact that you had something to drink made you less able to consent?" Have you ever been cat-called and felt uncomfortable? Has someone ever like touched you and it wasn't like somebody rubbed your shoulders and you didn't want them to? And they'll count all those things as SA. So it usually comes down to framing and misrepresenting facts to make things sound a certain way. That's anytime you hear a statistic like that from feminists, always think to yourself, does that sound like it lines up with reality? And then go check, because it's almost always wrong.

So this gaslighting that like women are dying everywhere because they can't just get abortions whenever they want for any reason is ridiculous. And if anything, I mean, abortion has a lot of risks and women can die from abortions and they do die from abortions and the abortion pills have a lot of risks. Uh, birth control pills have a tremendous amount of risk for women and I don't feel like most women are properly informed. I don't think they emphasize to women the risks and the long-term health consequences of birth control. Birth control. They give it to you like it's a vitamin. Oh, you got acne, have some birth control. Uh, irregular periods, birth control. Um, you know, you have migraines, try some birth control. They just like give it to you. They push it so much on young women and don't fear-monger you about any of the things that can go wrong using abortificent drugs or surgical abortion or birth control or any of that stuff.

So, but they will fear-monger you to death and make you think that just because you can't get abortion with no limits, that just women are dying everywhere. And it's not true. Do you think that someone actually just wanted less kids to be born, uh, so they could gain power and they told these witches like, "Hey, believe in this thing so like you'll do abortions." Do you know what I'm saying? Like, do you think it comes from the devil first and then gives people power or do you think it >> gives people power so like people like push that rel?

It's kind of a chicken or the egg thing and I don't really care how people think of it as long as it gets them to the right conclusion. I do believe that yes, it comes from, uh, you know, demonic, satanic place. And the reason I think that is because when I wrote the chapter in my book on Margaret Sanger, I literally had nightmares. I was so angry. I was when I read >> Is there anything you left out of your book because it was too disturbing?

>> Uh, there's things that I softened. So this is a good example of that. So Margaret Sanger, uh, she, if you know anything, she was the person who kind of was pushed to the forefront to, um, >> founder of Planned Parenthood, >> founder of Planned Parenthood. Technically, uh, it was the Bureau of Social Hygiene first and it went by other names and people try to obfuscate on that point, but no, the Rockefeller family found her, um, already kind of saying some of these things and paid her and pushed her to the forefront to be like the face of this and she was their primary propagandist and the one who helped establish Planned Parenthood around the world. England had a similar woman. Um, Marie Stokes was her name. And both of them started by going to like poor people, um, of any color, but also especially like non-whites, um, and trying to really force sterilization on them. And Margaret Sanger had a book that she used to fear-monger women about birth and convince people that abortion was this necessary thing and that that we needed to be pushing towards birth control. She was also like really involved in the development of the birth control pill as well. So she had, uh, three children herself and she was married and she was doing things that were illegal. You weren't supposed to distribute, um, birth control, which at the time was things like diaphragms or spermicides. You weren't supposed to send them in the mail. Um, this was a violation of a set of laws called the Comstock laws. And she got in trouble for doing that and for, um, passing out pamphlets on birth control and family planning. And she let her husband go to jail on her behalf for that so that she could escape to Europe and and have orgies with, you know, like prominent men of the time who were socialists and things like that. And she abandoned her three children and one of them died while she was, um, in like a boarding school. And she wrote a book that was supposedly a collection of letters from women around the world saying they couldn't figure out how they kept getting pregnant and they were just so tired of being pregnant and they were dying from being pregnant too much. And I found out that that whole thing was basically baloney. There were no letters. I contacted the Margaret Sanger Papers project, which has everything the woman's ever written. If she wiped her face on a napkin, they have it, you know. And I contacted them and said, she said she got tens of thousands of letters. Where are they all? And like, can I access them? And they said, oh, we only, we don't have most of them. And I said, well, how many do you have? They said, three. I said, three? What happened to the other thousands? And they said, oh, they were lost to time or she might have sent them to abortion doctors to like encourage them when people were like, it was so stigmatized. We really don't know. And so I read, I went back over the book and it's clearly plagiarism. She clearly just made all this stuff up. And I thought, here again, we're being lied to to push an agenda. You know, they're willing to just lie to women. And we do that now. We do it with fat acceptance. We do it with all kinds of things. People are just so willing to lie to women to get them to believe anything. And, uh, I think that she genuinely, she said Margaret Sanger said that the kindest thing a large family can do to one of its members is kill it. She said that she didn't believe anyone should be having babies. This woman was like a nut job radical. You can go back and watch her early TV, uh, interviews from the 40s and 50s. You can wa listen to her radio interviews from the 30s. She just came right out and said, we shouldn't be having any more kids. The planet's too full. No more babies. Nobody should be having any babies. And, you know, big families are terrible and, and you need to kill them. And it's just like she was a crazy radical person. And that's Luciferian. I mean, in Genesis, we're told that the seed of the woman will crush the serpent. And that's Jesus. The seed of the woman. Because usually you hear the seed of a man. You don't usually hear it referred to in that way. But because Christ was incarnated of the Holy Spirit, there was no male seed involved. So they said the seed of the woman will crush the serpent and, um, he will bruise his heel. That's referring to Christ being crucified. Um, so yeah, Satan hates women and he hates motherhood and he doesn't want you to have babies because if he could have, if Satan could have stopped women from having babies, he could have prevented the incarnation. Simple as like he does. And he doesn't want us producing new icons of God. In the Orthodox faith, we think that human beings are icons of Christ. We're like an image of God. Uh, Roman Catholics use the Imago Dei, the image of God within a human being. We think that we are unique and blessed creations of God. So to me, when I hear a woman saying, you know, kill babies, don't have any. Uh, these large families need to just start killing off some of their children as a mercy. I know exactly where that comes from. That doesn't come from God. That only comes from one place. So according to, in my opinion, yes, I think that's like deeply satanic. I think that's the essence of Satanism, of Luciferianism, is to be so anti-human that you don't want new life coming into this world. You don't value human lives. You see human beings as like a pest or a scourge on the planet.

>> If you logically deduce that being God is choosing who lives and who dies, then like abortion, if if it's not murder, at the very least you're choosing who lives and who dies, you know? >> Absolutely. >> Like you're choosing to not bring in a life.

I just had this debate with a couple of girls that were on the Whatever podcast with me. I said, and they said, "You think abortion is murder?" And I said, "Yeah, it is murder." And they said, "No, it's not. No, it's not." And I said, "Okay, is it human?" And at first they said, "No." >> I said, "So the thing inside of you isn't human. It's not a homo sapiens. It's not a human being." And then they were forced to say, "Well, yeah, it's human, but it's not alive." And I said, "It's not alive." And they were like, "No, it's not alive yet." And I was like, "Then why do you have to kill it? If it's not alive, why does it have to be killed?" So then they finally admitted, well, yeah, it's alive, but it's not a person. So then, so you end up with this personhood argument where, well, it's a human and it's alive, and I am killing it, but it doesn't have personhood. It doesn't have a life yet. It doesn't have experiences. It doesn't have conscious experiences. So when you walk those people through the logic, you always end up with a lot of goofy, arbitrary coping and, and arbitrary starting points of, well, yeah, it is human life, and but it's not valuable yet because they haven't had experiences. And so then you can say stuff like, okay, well, if someone's in a coma and they're not having conscious experiences, can I just kill them? Well, no, you can't do that. Why not? Well, because they did have experiences. Is I'm like, "Yeah, but if they're brain dead, like say the doctors say, we don't think he's going to wake up." Probably no more conscious experiences for him. So if I go over and just unplug him, whether I'm authorized to do that legally or not, there's no moral implication. I didn't do anything wrong because it's the same thing as an abortion. So if an abortion isn't wrong, then this isn't wrong. So it's like you can constantly get them on the logic.

>> Do you know how many abortions there are a year roughly? >> Uh, I think it's still hovering just under a million. It's unrelated >> in America. In worldwide, it's much more. I mean, we've had more abortions in the last century than people who have died in every single war around the world. It's the biggest mass genocide in human history by far.

>> It's interesting because I've read that some people see war as a type of sacrifice. Uh >> There are two people. One person believes that it's actual ritual sacrifice to something and then there's one person believes that this just gives me power. Like >> what does this person get and what does this person get from all these? >> The only reason you do a ritual sacrifice is for power. So like the reason that Aztecs would, you know, cut the hearts out of people and throw them off the top of pyramids was they were hoping to be granted something. Whether it's rain for crops, whether it's power over their enemies, you're asking for something you want and you're giving a sacrifice in return. That's what all human sacrifices like, Baal worship, right? We know that like ancient Canaanites and other Mesopotamian groups were did sacrifice babies to pagan gods. And they did so either, you know, to conquer their enemies, to gain power, status, wealth, um, to get food or have a bountiful harvest like any. But it's always something for me.

>> Do you think it works? >> And that's why it's a sacrifice. >> Do you think it works? >> I do. I think that the enemy will grant you certain temporal powers. Christ himself was tempted by the devil before he was crucified. Satan took him up to a cliff and showed him like this huge kingdom and said, "I'll give you all of this, you know, if you just bow down to me." And he said, "Who are he basically said, who are you to offer me anything?" Which is another indication that Christ was saying he was God. But, um, that's what the devil does. He offers you that's like the proverbial taking the deal, right? Signing signing your soul off to the devil. You're giving away your soul for some kind of temporal gain that you want. It's always a bad deal. Like everybody knows this. Nobody ever reads Faust or anything and thinks, "Oh, that's a good, good plan. That works out well for people." But if you don't have control over your passions, if you let your passions rule you, it will override your logical faculties and you'll make a bad deal to get something you really, really want right now.

And it's usually like very emotionally driven. Um, and there's a lot of women who when you talk to them about abortion, it's like, you're not going to tell me that I can't and they get like very angry and they see it as like the ultimate rebellion against authority and you don't tell me what to do with my body. It's, it doesn't come off to me as a, oh, a thing I really didn't want to do and safe, legal, and rare and nobody wants to get an abortion. Like the way that women are about it now, they'll just scream in your face. Like you see at these, you know, abortion rights things where there's like abortion protesters and they're screaming, "Kill all the babies" or something, you know, they scream something really inflammatory and it's like this defiant, angry, um, you're not going to take this power away from me because it's a power that they have.

And then for those who don't believe it's anything spiritual, what do you like? Why allow that? A lot of times it's just for convenience purposes. It's like, well, and people have a lot of silly ideas, like they'll say, oh, you don't want a bunch of babies being born to people who don't want them. And it's like, well, my mother didn't want me >> yet. I'm really glad I'm here. And I had five children that I did want, you know. Um, that had no basis in determining what my life was going to look like. Did I have a rough childhood? Yeah. But a lot of people have a rough childhood and go on to be incredible human beings and do wonderful things. And, um, even if your mother doesn't want you when she's pregnant, there's a ton of women that really contemplate abortion and almost do it, decide not to, and then they're like, "Thank God I didn't. I love being a mom. I love my child. I I would never take it back." Um, so usually people have arbitrary materialistic kind of reasons for wanting abortion. Um, a lot of people still believe in overpopulation even though that's been disproven. It's a myth. We are not overpopulated. They'll say, "Well, there's 8 billion people on the planet. That's too many." It's like, it's clearly not. We've pretty much eradicated hunger by having enough people that we can create these, uh, sophisticated logistical supply chains that get food to pretty much everywhere it needs to go. Now, it's why Africa is one of the only places that still has a birth rate above replacement because we're feeding all of them now. [laughter] You know, like they're they're not dying off from starvation or anything anymore. Um, so it's usually misguided. It's usually, one thing I've learned doing this is that most people do not know why they believe what they believe.

They really don't. They're forming their worldview and their beliefs off of things they've heard repeated over and over that sound good on their face. And most of us are too busy trying to pay bills and, you know, just get through the day to sit there all day and really think philosophically and deeply about worldviews and why we believe these things and where our ideas really came from and did I think of this myself or were these thoughts kind of put in my head and I just accepted them. Most of us don't think about that. Which is which is why shows like this are important because it gets people to think, hm, why do I think that or why did I hold this belief? Does it make sense? Is it logical? Is there something better? Uh, should should I continue to believe this or have I been presented new evidence that makes me feel like maybe I should change my mind? And this is another thing where I see a big difference between men and women.

>> [snorts] >> Most of the men I sit down and talk to, even if they really don't agree with me, like at the beginning, if I present a lot of facts and arguments that make sense to them, they'll go, "hm, okay, I'm going to have to go think about this." Whereas women, like I just sat across the table from a woman two weeks ago who said, "I don't care how many facts you tell me, and I don't care how much how many arguments you have. I just, I'm not going to change my mind because I feel." Every statement she came at me with started with, "but I feel like, and I believe, and I feel." And I was like, "Okay, but," and I asked her, "So it doesn't matter what I tell you? It doesn't matter what facts I?" And she was like, "Well, no, because your facts are biased facts, my facts were biased Republican facts or something." >> Her feelings were objective? >> Exactly, exactly. So I think that that is more common. I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of logical women. I get emails from women all the time and messages of support from women all the time and so many comments from women who are like, "Thank you for speaking up for us because I'm a wife and a mom and I feel like I'm fighting the same uphill battle. I feel like I have no support. I'm scared to say that I don't want a career and I'm scared to tell my parents that I don't want to open a dental practice, you know, or whatever it is they're doing." And a lot of them will write me to to say, you gave me a way to kind of defend my choices. I feel like I can competently explain, yes, I'm going to skip college and start my family. Here's why. And like I kind of give them words that they didn't know how to articulate before in order to defend that choice and to feel confident in it, to not feel like, oh, am I am I screwing up? Am I going to regret this? I don't know. And that's all I really set out to do with writing this book and doing all of this is I just wanted to help all of the women who were like me and they're 20 and they're just like in their head they're going, I know everyone expects me to go to college and have a career, but I don't really want to do that. I want to get married and I want to have a family and that's my priority. And I don't think that they should feel ashamed or, you know, like nervous to voice that and they shouldn't have to be met with so much pushback. Um, the boomer generation is really bad with this. You know, boomer parents were, you got to go to college, you got to have an education, or you're not going to be anything in this world, you know, like you got to have an education and a degree, or no one's going to hire you. That was my generation. But, um, one more thing about the abortion stuff. You're Gen Z, right? >> Yes. >> Do you know that almost a third of your generation was aborted? Almost one-third of Gen Z worldwide was never born because they were killed before they could be born. And I can >> That's there's about 60 million Gen Z, 17 years of the generation. Yeah, that makes sense. About 17 million abortions or something like that. >> Yeah, >> that's ridiculous actually.

Imagine like what that amount of people might have done to change the world. Imagine what those people could have accomplished. Like, we'll never know what the world would be like if a third of your generation hadn't been wiped out before they could ever be born. It could have been people who figured out how to cure cancer or make free energy or who knows like who knows what it could have been, what the world would be like. We could have ended up with a world where we didn't need, you know, endless third world immigration in order just to sustain our economy. Like, we, we just won't know. And it's, it's crazy that we would eliminate a third of a generation before it could be born. And people just are like, "Eh, it's fine."

Well, your book and your [clears throat] thoughts have really made me think. Uh, [laughter] everyone, this has been your guest, Rachel Wilson. This is the Jack Neil podcast. Where can people find you? >> Uh, you can find more of my writing at my Substack, rwilson.substack.com. You can find my book, Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation on Amazon. And I do have a little YouTube channel, uh, Rachel Wilson, and you can find me on X, @RAforPatriarchy.

Beautiful. Thank you for coming on. >> Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate it. It was a great, great chat.