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To be clear, what what we're sharing, or what this sharing is about, is is a very uncommon message. It's, um, it's very, seems to be very challenging for people even to understand the concepts. But the concepts are really quite straightforward and easy to understand. The reality of what we're talking about is not the concepts. They don't help or hinder the content.
The most difficult part, I think, for most people to understand conceptually is that what we're sharing here has nothing to do with you. It doesn't recognize you at all. It's actually saying, contrary to the apparent experience, you are the experience. "I am" is an illusion. "I am" is an outcrop of a tension in the body. That tension in the body has an experience of knowing to it. Here, as here, arises out of that. Arises, "I am here." Neither of those are true. There's no "I am," and there's no real "here now."
In the "I am" arises as here, a part of that experiences "I am real." And as soon as "I" arise as real, everything else suddenly becomes experientially real. So there's an arising of "I am," and simultaneously, timelessly, that happens to everything else, including what we would call space or time. That all then has the experience of being real. "I am here, everything else is out there," and everything that seems to be happening is happening to me.
The suggestion is, that's a dream. Not only is everything happening not happening to you because there isn't anyone, but it's not actually happening. It appears to happen. It seems to happen. Like we could talk about how this meeting began. Seems to be in the past, but it's obviously demonstrably this appearing is that you can't find the past now. The experience of "I am" is dependent upon the past being real. The reason it seems real is because "I am" as dependent on the past being real, because it's dependent upon this appearing going somewhere. Disappearance. This what's happening isn't actually coming from anywhere. It isn't actually going anywhere. But the sense of "I am" is on a journey. This isn't enough word. This is too satisfying to it. So it's on a journey to satisfaction. It's on a journey to fulfillment. And that journey only has relevance if there's real time in which I can find what I'm looking for. So it's dependent upon the past being real. It's dependent upon this being a consequence of the past. So it is hope that this will be the cause of the future, and in the future, it will find what it needs, or what it wants, what it thinks it needs, it wants.
The biggest problem for that experience "I am" is what it's really looking for and will never ever find is the end of itself. It's looking for absence. It's actually looking for the spaciousness that is when it's not all there. There's a spaciousness. All there is is the infinite. Everything that appears, everything that seems to be happening, including these words, is the infinite appearing. In his words, the infinite appearing as flowers or body. And it has no intrinsic need for anything to happen for it to be what it is. This appearing is that fulfillment that the individual thinks it will find in the future. And as this is already it, it will never find it in the future. And as that hasn't is, as it has no reality, it'll never find it now. It can't find it now because it is, there is no separation to what its. The experience of separation is a dream.
So that's basically, basically two messages. Basically the concepts which out there.
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Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yeah. The individual will always ask why, because that gives it some sort of hope that there's a way out. If it can find out why, it could find a way out. But as this isn't coming from anywhere, and it's not going anywhere, and it's not really happening, it has no need for why. There's no why. It's so free. It doesn't need why. Why is it constraint? To constriction? Well, the obviously the obvious for the individual is "I am." That's why this message is. That's why there's that amount of people here. Here. That's why there's so few people here, because it doesn't actually make sense, which this is what's being suggested here. What's being suggested, what's being said, is that that experience "I am," that may be happening there, is elizy. It's not real. It's a dream. That makes us all appear as it's not that's real. As as as an appearance, but real. It's in some sense denatured. It's solid and knowable. And separation is death. The experience of this as real is dead.
When there's no one left, what's obvious is that this is aliveness. There is only aliveness. The knowing of what this room is covers over the aliveness that this room is. It's known, so it's looked over. It's known, so it's passed by. And the individual always looks over what it's looked by asking why, because really it's asking, "Why am I here? Why am I? Why is anything?" Because it's looking for meaning and purpose. As soon as the individual arises, part and parcel of that experience is a covering over of everything with the need of meaning and purpose. There is no need of meaning and purpose. There isn't a meaning or purpose to what's happening.
There seems to be no exit. Well, it's an, it's part and parcel of the experience of being "I am." "I have meaning." And the meaning and purpose is the story of "I am." And the story is how I'm going to find what I feel I miss. How I'm going to find what seems to be missing in my experience of being a person. So everything, the individual in that story, is how personal judgment arises. So my story is this. This is the hope. This is what I'm going to find in the end. And how I get there is how I come up with my story of what's good and bad and right and wrong. So everybody that's doing what I think is gonna bring what I'm looking for, they're good. And everybody that's doing things that don't lead to what I think I'm looking for, are bad or wrong. And when there's no one left, that die, that falls away because there's no need.
Well, absolutely. Questions. I mean, questions about how to get to Elm Street don't disappear. But questions about what this is about, or why is it the way it is, there's, there's no need. It's already fulfilled. It's already complete. It sounds like the individual needs the end of a sentence for things to be complete. Anything that arises, half a sentence, half a thought, half a world of forgotten feeling, of forgotten thought. You know, you have that feeling, "Oh, I forgot something." Needs to be found. Yeah, yeah. That's completeness. Appearing is that it has no need to find. Is it our conscious brain that keeps us trying to find it? It's the experience to be an individual. That's the experience "I am here." Because I like this based on. Well, it's, it's this isn't, this isn't saying that there shouldn't be an individual. And it's not suggesting that there's a real problem. It's the experience of the individual that they have a life, and that it's based on some. But that experience is still the absolute. Appearing is that right? It doesn't matter. It's all apparent. Well, I wouldn't say it quite like that. All there is is what appears. And what appears is no thing, or singing, or energy. Thinking? Well, we're emptiness thinking, or spaciousness thing. So the background, there's no background. Learn is somewhat silent? No, not at all. No. This exactly what's happening, or is the absolutely there has no need for there to be anybody that's not there. It has no need to be recognized or understood. Okay. It is that. So that question is the absolute speaking. Okay. And this is the absolute responding. That's all there is. The misunderstanding where that false claim is that the individual will say, "I'm hearing, I'm speaking, I'm understanding."
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You have to use the word individually himself and he going home because they have so much wrapped up in. Hmm. If you could just call it that, and it's just what a decimal energy. It's just words. It doesn't bring everything.
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That's all. Yeah. No, of course not. No. The end of experience. It's the end of the subject-object experience. The, there's a few, there's a few sort of mind games that I sort of play to sort of show how thin the individual is. They're, they're not the actuality that I'm pointing to. They actually quit completely just mind games. But when you're looking at me, you can't say where that happens. You can't say if they happening, the scene happens here, or here, or there, or there. You can't say. But that's, that's just a mind game. It's not through the reality behind it. Because the reality behind it is that when there's nothing here, there's obvious is just happening. It's not happening anywhere. There is only everywhere or nowhere. There's just happening. There's only this happening. Words happening, movement happening. Has no solidity to it. Has no past, no future. Is just an appearance. The experience of being an individual, the experience of the individual says, "I'm in here. I know I am. And I know that everything is out there. And I know that's happening to me." Including thoughts or feelings, which are the most troubling for the individual. Thoughts and feelings. That's the reason I'd like spiritual teachings on detachment from thoughts and feelings. I don't know. I think that whatever you call, I don't know. It's not a concept I use. It's not a word I use. You might tell me what you think it is, and we could talk about it. I don't know. Well, you couldn't. The, the experience of the individual right now in this moment is a tension in the body. And that tension is looking for a better experience. And that expect, that tension, that better experience is always coming and never this. So, so that better experience is what wants to deconstruct the "I" for a better experience. So even the want to deconstruct it is the same mechanism that covers over this. And so it just, which is just a circle that goes on and on and on of looking for the end of the circle. And looking for the end of the circle is the circle. There is no circle. There is no person. There is no "I am." There appears to be until there isn't. And then there never was. There never was. When it stopped happening, it never happened. Because the claim, the claim of the individual, the experience of the, "as I am regal," when it stops happening, what's obvious is nothing's real. So real never happened. So it's not happening. Although the experiences rather than, okay, there's this isn't, this isn't a suggestion that there's a way out of anything. Okay? So there's really, there's no problem and nothing didn't know what to do it. There's things that apparently happen, but nobody doesn't. And when you realize that to hear, it's not a realization. Okay? Well, when you know it over, it's not like it's at the end of the individual. It's an on happening. It's not actually worth mentioning. If I had been asked to talk, I'd never talk about it. Whether they just say, "How much sense this meeting make?" You're not. Nothing's happening. But you wouldn't be fearful, careful about that, widget about what about there being nothing, but everything at the same time? Who would be afraid of that? The "I." Yeah, but it's not afraid of that. It's afraid of the end. It's afraid of what it wants. It really wants the end of seeking. But if the problem for it is it wants to know it stopped seeking. It wants absence. But it wants to know that it's absent. And I start seeking. That's the same. It just, it just keeps on going. You just kind of going, "Yes, sir." It is a circle because there's nothing. It's not going anywhere. Receiving what led you to the understanding? So I don't understand this. No one understands this. This, the understanding of this has nothing to do with the reality we're talking about. The end of a constricted or a sense of here, to which everything is really happening, right? To that? Yeah, that's not understanding. The individual does this with everything. Search, searching, search until it's got, it's got screwdrivers and hammers and things. And every thought, and every appearance, it's, it's putting it all into its system so that it, trying to stop having to put it all into its system. It's not about, "I understand." You don't. It sounds like this knows something. It sounds like this is an authority. That's total misunderstanding. This doesn't know anything. And there's no authority. There's nothing to tell you. There's nothing for you here.
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But I have Annette. Oh, I try to not to be "I." So I watch myself. But you're already alive. Okay? There's already no "I." Okay? So who's trying not to be it? And I advocate of my thinking, my idea that's arise that I'm someone. So I watch it. I twice inside. I watch it to say, "Oh, I appeal." Who would watch it? I don't know. Di. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The "I" is looking for the end of "I." And once you know the end of "I," the "I" wants to know it's not good luck. Okay. Topless. It's completely hopeless for the "I." That's a horrible thing. Yeah, but there's no need for hope. This is already everything. The "I" doesn't want to die. So it's searching for something to help it to control, to maintain. Yeah. It's already dead. He already did. It never happened. There's nothing that needs to survive. There's no need for anything else. This doesn't need to be fixed. There's no need for the "I" to complete this or to find anything. There's no need for the "I" not to be there. So that it's very young. 14. There's no need to be. Yeah. So he goes like this, doesn't it? Sometimes it's comforting. Something that sucks. So the absolute. No, no, no. The in the individual, because it's in a story of something happening, they can only understand what's being said here as a story, as something really happening. The absolute, which becomes something else. The, this isn't, this there's no suggestion that there's an absolute energy field or anything that becomes something else. The absolute and the relative are the same thing. It's not happening. It's not moving. It's not real. When the "I" arises, everything appears to have some sort of solidity. When the "I" just, that solidity allows for the experience of consequential continuum, time, cause and effect, cause and effect, cause and effect, color of which the individual is merely an effect, an effect of an effect of an event. When the individual stops happening, nothing has that same solidity. So cause and effect have no cause and effect. Time isn't solid. It's just an appearance. Nothing depends upon what's happening. Absolute freedom is already everything. It doesn't need anything to become.
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But if they're suffering, you sentences. Yeah. What's wrong with suffering? Yeah. I don't want it. No. Well, the problem is that the "I" feels responsible. It takes responsibility for everything that happens. And so it wants to take responsibility or find a solution to it. I'm not suggesting that if someone came up here to cut off my leg, that there wouldn't be some sort of action to get away from that. What I am suggesting is that there's no one in here that would do that. It would just be what happens. And that's already what this is happening. There's just happening. There is, there's a contraction in the body which is beyond recognition. You, if there's someone in there, we'll never know the "I am" tension until it falls away. It's in the ending of it because it's so intrinsic in the experience that there's no distance to it. And when it falls away, it's a complete surprise. It's just not, it's just the last place you would have looked. But that's not, you could say that that's a part of "I am." But that's not the completeness. Because there's nowhere, there's no subject that could look at that tension as an object, because that tension is the subject. Does that make sense? Yeah. So it's much bigger than you think. The tension that falls away, it's much more intense. It's much more through the entire body.
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I miss that mysterious. Are you saying that the attention is not disclosed to the body? Oh, no. I am. It is the body. Okay. It's in the body. What I'm suggesting is that there is no way to objectify that tension, to know it as "I am," to know the completeness of the tension that gives rise to "I am," until the "I am" falls away. In the falling away, that how pervasive that tension is becomes obvious. Was well, the individual is on a journey. So anything that doesn't like, oh, you spoke about anything that doesn't fit into the story that it's told itself of how it's gonna find what it's looking for, is a problem. And it, and it works on that with its toolkit to try to make it fit. This doesn't make sense. This happening actually doesn't make sense. So the individual comes up with a story about what this is about. There's no intrinsic story in this appearance. It's completely empty. It's chaotic, anarchic, without need or meaning or purpose. It's just everything. The individual arises and puts it all in little boxes with this toolkit so that it makes sense to it, because that's how it's gonna find what it's looking for. What's next? The next experience it's gonna be better than this one. I think that no. It has no evolutionary purpose. But if you talk to neuroscientists, they'll tell you that nine nodes in the brain that collaborate to create the sense of "I." But that's just a story. That has nothing to do with what, what, how it falls away. When it falls away, there aren't a recognition of nine nodes that then are no longer talking to each other. There's an actual just falling away of that experience. The collapse of experience. In the collapse, collapse of real distance, real time, real happening. Oh, I think the concepts aren't quite straightforward and simple. Yeah, they're just not what we're talking about. I mean, it's fair enough to to talk about the concepts and get it clear. There's no problem with that. But what we're talking about isn't actually a shift beyond understanding or beyond the words. Could you review the basic concepts? There's no one and nothing's happening or not. Yeah, that's about it. So this is a dream vision. This is an appearance. The dream, the illusion is the experience that this is personal, or this is real, or this is happening to me. That's the dream. Would you say that the absolute is perfection? You could. It's a little misleading for the individual, because the individual thinks perfection would be, "I'm going to get what I want." So the individual is looking for, "I'm happy forever." Yeah. You stop saying this. But perfection in the sense that there's no need or possibility that it could be anything but what it is. At the same time, you have to say there's no need for it to be women's. So the individual is a real need for this to be what it is. So another mind trick. And which isn't the reality behind it, but it points to the health in the experience of the individual. Illness. You know how in a dream, you know, and when you sleep at night, you have a dream, and that dream just starts somewhere and somehow, you just assume or there's the experience that it makes sense. There's no question of where did this begin or anything like that. You do not know that this isn't that. You do not know that this isn't a dream that has no real beginning. You don't know. There's no reference point to know that any reference point could just simply be a part of the same dream. But it has a dream, right? This is an appearance. The only dream is the individual that this makes, that this matter, so that it's personal, or that it's happening to me. So Jim, when the body is to no longer hear it said he died? Do you have that nobody times? I mean, do you get the sense of the, of everything being everything? This is, this is everything being always the same thing. Okay, well, I don't know. You're telling me a story that there's something called death. Death only makes sense as if there's somebody who's alive and then there's no longer alive and therefore doesn't know they're dead. So who's dead if they don't know they're dead? Or somebody who's alive that knows they're dead? And if there's somebody that knows they're dead, who's dead? Death is a concept. Has no reality. Death only makes sense if there's somebody that knows they're dead. Does still the "I"? But who would know they were? If somebody knew they were dead, who would be dead? Death assumes the knowing end of "I am." Doesn't make sense. Who could know the end of "I am"? It's just a concept. It's again another mind trick, but it points to the flimsy, the concepts, the flimsy concepts that the individual has about what this is. The reality of the end of the individual is spacious. Everything spacious aliveness. And what it's looking for is this. This is that spacious aliveness that is looking for. There is only not the experience. The false claims of the individual just are false. They're not true. It's very simple. Can be absolutely experienced? No.
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There's no reference by which to experience. They can't be. Now, in order experience, it's done knowing, which of course is the end of the individual. The individual is the experience of "I know." In Buddhism, they've got a saying of nailing a nail into the air. And that's the knowing of the individual. And actually has stepping stones in the imaginary. In the imaginary, they're just those stepping stones up in the air of knowing. And it thinks it's going somewhere.
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Oh, the individual. Well, will necessarily misunderstand what's being said. It can't. It can't relate to it. Well, there's no "you." First, they'd have to be a "you" for there to be a house. There's no "you." If the question is, "How do I?" "How could you?" If there's no "you"? There's no one inside that body. No one has ever made a decision. There's no one there with a life. There's no one there with a future. So where would that how happen? The individual can't just live by these concepts. It's not like now. Oh, it'll try. It will. "I'm nobody." "Yeah, I'm not here." "I don't have pretty willing choice." It will try. It can't help it. It'll take everything and try to make it into the story. Remember the story of the consequence we're trying to find the end of? Yeah. It'll have to. It uses everything, or tries to. But all it does with that is it lives in a circle. "I want to not be." "I want to not be." "I want to not be." Which is a confirmation that "I am." Whining "Nadi." Yeah, yeah. Hi. That's all right. I heard you were in another Elm Street somewhere. You didn't miss anything. The experience with only apparent didn't happen anybody. All right. Reminding themselves. Is there any benefit in knowing? Absolutely not.
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This isn't about helping you. This is the difference between what's being shared here and almost every other message of teachings. They're trying to help you. They're trying to tell you something. This has nothing for the individual. It doesn't even acknowledge that it's real. So it's just the falling away of the. You know, the funny thing is is when it falls away, and when it does, there, what will be obvious is it didn't happen. There's no falling away. It's a non-happening. So when it fell away here, there's a realization that there's no one. That's not the end of an individual, because that realization still seems to happen to somebody. But a part of that realization is, it didn't happen. That's right. Well, there's never. It does nothing. The claims that the individual has about what this is, if false. All of its claims about that something needs to happen, or this isn't complete, or fulfilled, or that "I am" real, that everything's happening to me, that I have free will and choice to create a future which will be better than this. Those are all false claims. That's not true. So it never is true. There is no duality. So the falling away of duality, or experiential duality, doesn't create non-duality. This is already Nandu. There never was to have. It's not happening.
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This is it. This is it. So anyway, no, not like that. Not like, "Now I'm not like an exclusive fist." Not like an exclusive now. The now of seeking for something is an exclusive now. Oops. I wasn't raining now. Now I'll be now. Now I'll focus on now. That's exclusive to discursive thoughts or the past or the future or focusing attention. The suggestion here is there is nothing else. It doesn't need to be recognized. It requires no effort with you. You know, you were you, period. So anything you think you're doing, it's got nothing to do with that. It's got nothing to do with anything you could suggest, because there's no relationship left. When it's there, when it's gone, the experience of relationship in that sentence is an illusion. So what would be the trying to use the word mechanism personally hearing what you're suggesting and a falling away somebody hearing that? Yeah, is there? You know, I guess there's no relationship. Okay. There is the energy here. And I hesitate to say it because it sounds like there's something on offer. There isn't. It just seems that in these meetings, there's a little bit, there's an energy that arises. But the fact is, is that energy, where that's saying of this, everything is always saying this. The bus that's about to run you over is saying, "This is all there is." The dog on the ground that you just stepped in is saying, "This is all there is." This is fulfillment. The bird singing is saying, "This is fulfillment." There's nothing that's not saying, "This is all there is. This is whole and complete and fulfilled." So be the divine was to say, "Well, these are deconditioning processes." And that a body work for this now, for action now. When they, when there's an "I" realizes that, is absurd. Yeah. When there's an individual, the apparent ending of the individual seems like a process. Yeah. It's, because it's living in a process, because it's hope that the process are going to lead to something. Something happening never leads to nothing happening. This is nothing happening. And there's no need for a process. So a couple of months ago, somebody called me up, said, "Hey, watch one of your videos. There's no one left." Thank you very much. Goodbye. Of course, you have no idea. You have no idea where they are or what's happening. But it's quite. Why not? But it's very possible that nobody leaves this room by Virgil axe lock the door. You know, but they're very possible that nobody will leave this room. There's no need for anything to happen. This end of the individual isn't an experience. And it's not the consequence of other experiences. But I've heard Tony persons make make an allusion to live the energy. Yeah, it's true. Apparently. I don't know. It's true though. Yeah. I know. I can't understand what you're saying. Of course, you can. It's very simple. The concepts are very, very simple. They're just not the reality we're pointing to. You know what I just described? It feels so fast.
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And you know, generally, I'm just, yeah, I kind of don't understand. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's shaking up something. Yeah. So that's good. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Doesn't mean anything. No. Let's go. That's an alien sky. The nail in the smile than this guy. Yeah. Gonna hang you. Okay. Nothing wrong with it. But they can appear. People seem to, people seem to respond to this in very different ways.
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But is not the absolute self-aware of itself? Who would hope? How could it do that? If it's, if it's the absolute, wouldn't it have the ability? Well, I mean, but you're saying the accident has some sort of intelligence beyond the appearance of everything. Yeah, but it doesn't. It is. But you're saying it has an intelligence beyond the appearance of everything, which means that with this intelligence, that could separate itself from itself to be aware. It's as though there'd be some need for that. It's already everything. And there's no need to be aware of it. And nobody ever is aware of the accident. Absolutely. But all there is, well, how would it do that if it's already everything? There's no real distance or time for it to do that. Knowing is a dreams.
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Sort of like things self automatically divides that right off of that. Soon as you say no, itself separates. It couldn't be right. Since it's everything, nothing. It's not crazy. It's not great. This isn't coming from anywhere. This is everything. This is absolute freedom appearing as a question, appearing as movement, appearing as this pretend. That's all there. There is nothing else except what's looked for. You know, I experienced that while you're saying. Yeah, that's the energy we're talking about. And you don't know that. You don't know that when you leave, it'll be different. You don't know that. Yeah, that's the sir. You don't know anything. There's no "you."
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It's everything. Spacious. Alive. Oh, it's everything. It's fun. Suffering, sadness, joy, bliss, depression. It's everything. It has no need not to be anything. It's no, it doesn't. It's not going anywhere. It's the experience that this needs to go somewhere. This needs to become something that makes what seems to be happening right or wrong, good or bad. When it's on going anywhere, that falls away. It's just what seems to be happening. And really get away with begin to stop with "seems to" and just say, "There's only happening." Happening body, happening pictures, happening body, happening table. There's just happening. There's just happening. And that happening is everything. Is all there is. The individual puts happening in relationship to itself. And so there then is something else. And that something else is what seems to be missing in this happening. When that something else falls away, never was something else. There's only what's happening, which is obviously complete, obviously whole, obviously everything. Not in the sense that I become something, that I get something, but in the sense that there's no, and no longer any need for it to be anything else. So you use, use of the word everything does not restrict it to the physical. This or it's. Well, it's anything. Can we say anything? Okay. Yeah. This is anymore. All there is is any. Would it be a mistake to describe the message more as more akin to existentialism than dr. Ali? Because it non-duality? No, because it I have. Well, I mean, non-duality means not to where's the "I am" and not to Patti heaven. "I am" in not to "I am" and then something else. How do you do that? Even if you say "I am everything," then "I am" doesn't make any sense anymore. So how can you have "I am" if what we're talking about is non-duality? And existentialism is sort of materialism. And this isn't material. There is no actual thing. There's no solidity. Yeah, that's why I'm stuck because I'm interpreting investment. Well, she was to she point out correctly this as though all that there is the senses. All there is is what the senses are awkward. Why? I mean, the exact. But it's emptiness bodying. So it's beyond the concepts of extent of material. Essentially, what are we talking about? Essentials. Existentialism. We have the concepts of anything that could be totally words. Totally. Would you say that there's anything like a misperception? When you say there's no solidity, if we're experiencing solidity, or we miss perceiving this? Absolutely. That's what I mean with the false claim of the individual. And that misperception does not make it true. So there's a seeming misperception. That's all we're talking about is the seeming misunderstanding. I call it a psychosomatic misunderstanding to get underneath the experience of the idea that the individual will do anything about it. It's the losery misunderstanding. Well, conceptualist. It's a loser. This isn't something which is enough. What? No, it's not. It's not true. Yeah. This isn't something. It's not here. It's there's not real duality. It's an experience. That's the big trouble for the individual is this is an experience. And it's whole. A journey has to do with experience. So it's actually trying to overcome this experience or experience by having more experience. Well, there's no one here. So they just appear. There's no self-reference. Yeah. It's terrifying. It is. There's never a thought that runs through there that starts with "I." Well, "I don't know what you mean by that." But there's no "I" in here. But there are thoughts. And "I" will say, "I want to go have some show you." But nobody's saying, "Gotcha." You're nobody saying it there either. No one agrees. It's still at work in the burger. In fact, emerging baby. Are we talking about that? I wouldn't forget Kristin Bird's place in Hawaii. The one lady, I was in a non-dualistic meeting. And the one lady, just couldn't get rid of it. She couldn't accept the thing that like it just seems to come up with the supper every time. Why is there suffering? Yet.
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If I basically see this all as an activity, would the word activity be something similar to ever happening? No. Well, I don't know. When you say "I see this," that doesn't sound similar. This doesn't see this. You can't. Okay. There's no relationship to it. No one knows what's happening. Right? So knowing this is body happening is the problem. It's just when there's no individual left, there's just happening. The beginning, it doesn't have you. Yeah, is gone. Yes. In the same way that it happened there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll do anything to survive. So if it says, "I'm just interested." Yeah. You don't think that'll help it survive? So just, it doesn't happen. Yeah. It didn't happen to you. Yeah. Your memory of it is not what it was like. Yeah. This is, this is des. This is you not being. This is that that didn't happen in the past. This is that it doesn't go away. There's an experience. It seems to come back to cover over what was revealed. Yeah. But this is looking for it or wanting to know it by feeling like you are there. Is the dream that covers it over? The individual is determined. And I'm not sure what Mr. Hennemann talks about. Don't think it's the same thing exactly. But here it's obvious that the individual will always put those experiences into a story because it wants to understand what happened. And it wants to have it back. It's not a story. It was the end of the appearance making a sentence. And nobody knows what that's like. The individual is once a civilian. That's his whole. That's its whole story. It's, it just doesn't want to die. Not dying. No. Don't. That's the whole story. That's a toll thing. That's the big, that the big problem in its life. Separation is death. And it's trying to overcome separation. So it's trying to overcome death. It will do anything you can to survive. It's on very shaky ground though. It always is. Oh, completely. It not there. It's not real. All of its claims are false. All of its claims about what is happening are false. Completely false. Completely unreal. Shaky ground. You could sort of say that. You could sort of say that it's not. It's not. I wouldn't say it's really true. But if there is something about it where it feels an insecurity about it, about its isness, which is one of its anxious caring, if you know what I mean, like it's really trying. Yeah, that comes out of that sense of insecurity about its reality. It's just a game of you to remind stuff. It's not just the my. It's an experience. I don't know what the mind is anyway. But it's an experience. That's the problem. It's a physical experience. There being a ghost in the machine line that has buttons and levers making everything happen and keeping everything in control. Okay. It can take this sentence and put it into a box which it says it can understand. Yeah. And it's doing that constantly. It's exhausting. If that's what's happening there, then that's what's happening. But if you're sick, if you're trying to describe what it's like here, there's no awareness. Okay. Of this being the way it is. It's just the way it is. Nobody knows that it's not an awareness. Well, I mean, this is doing its best to describe it. But the description is not to be awkward. It is the reality. And it's not to be on. But every word is everything. Is the realization that it is just a dream? No. Not, not here. Here, here, there's no here. But is the end of the dream, right? Nobody, nobody wakes up. The dream is the dreamer's own dream. When the dream ends, no one's left to wake up. There's just no dreamer. Dreamer. The dreamer is the dream's own dream. The dreamer in the dream are the same thing. So when the dream ends, the dreamer ends. And nobody wakes up. You know, there's a table of it. Science and Non-Duality Conference. Yes. Six, seven years ago. Just remember this is who is driving the dream bus? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you think that's a relevant question? Yeah. I mean, it's just, you know, who's driving the dream bus? Curious. What didn't get here? Yeah. The individual is dependent upon consequential continuity. So it always sees everything as the result, where the consequence and the cause of something else. That's a dream. This doesn't actually come from anywhere. So they'll talk about what's happening. I'm talking about this. It isn't actually a consequence of you coming. You didn't come here. Coming here is what is for this appearing. As the memory of coming here doesn't prove that anything happened. So what is? If you remember coming here, okay, that's what is appearing as a memory of coming here. It doesn't prove coming here happened, right? The individual is dependent upon it making it absolutely proving coming here happened because that gives it the future in which it won't have to die.
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"I am" because they came. No, exactly. Yeah, yeah. And I need to have come here because I need a future in which to find what I'm looking for. Covering over this is what's looked for. This is the whole. This is the absolute. This is endlessness without a beginning. This is infinite now. It's not an experience. I know. It just sounds. It's a little very misleading that this sits up here and talks about it because it sounds like this knows and understands me. And it doesn't. This is absolute fresh and new. Everything that's coming from is everything that's coming out. There's nothing or no thing just speaking. It's the same. There, there's just maybe something in there that says, "I'm doing this." Yeah, yeah. You'll never get it. It's the worst message. It's the absolute worst thing that that could be told to you. If you knew what was being said here, you'd never come. Nobody wants to hear this. You do not want it. It's son wonderful to one. It would mean that they were a separation to it. There isn't. There's no distance to where to it. You can't want what's happening. How could you want what's already happening? Is the dream part of it? Is it part of everything? Actually, well, it is everything. The dream is also everything. It's just the experience isn't that the experiences. But just satisfied. Yeah. The lot of that suffering is the expectation that something needs to happen and it's not gonna get it. It doesn't need to have. It's a false claim. It'll never happen. You'll never get it. Nobody ever does. What you're looking for is sitting on a chair. How can you look for or find what's already happening? And the reason you're looking for it is because you think you know you're sitting on a chair, which covers over the reality. This spacious aliveness of sitting on a chair. Whatever appears is simply real and unreal. It's empty. Empty. She's me. I guess I've given you at the past being what is now being, being the past big brought into what is. It wouldn't exist if it weren't for now being brought into the now. So this doesn't see it now. For here, for this, there's no now. There's only what appears. Because if they were a now, there would be something that wasn't now, right? And now would be the place you should be. And then there would be a place you shouldn't be. And that's not what's being suggested here. There is nowhere and no thing that isn't already fulfillment and completeness. That isn't spacious alliance, including the individual, which is the kicker for the individual.
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A few sentences back, you said this is yes. That those two things cancel each other. No, no. Spacious aliveness, empty fullness, is and isn't. You could also say nothing is real and nothing is unreal. It's pointing to the fact that nothing can be held on to. Nothing can be known. Some things really click. So in that story, well, it doesn't. I think I'm not too maybe when you, the experience of the individual is a row or a conglomeration of false claims. Those claims are false. Part of the claim is it's real. And so it would need to fall away for this to be what it is. That's false. This is already what it is. This is already what's looked for. So the falling away never happens. The, I think there might be an expectation there that the experience would happen again. And that's what's looked for. But that's just the same, the same false claim of the individual that this needs to look in a certain way, that there needs to be something in particular happening for this to be what it is. This is never not what it is. This is never not the absolute. There's nothing that appears that's not the absolute. Totally. Absolutely good thought. Absolutely. If you paid, you're welcome to go. But that's the same as ever. All there is is what seems to happen. Because you can also say, "Why not come here?" It just happens. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I think I'm gonna do everything. I'm gonna decide this. Yeah. I decided to come here. I decided to use the GPS and get lost. I decided to. Yeah. I didn't do anything. I don't have a thought. I never had a thought. Yeah. I don't think the "I" doesn't think. It takes responsibility. It claims certain thoughts and creates a dynamic around which the thoughts turn around it. But it has no power at all. It's a reaction. No, no, no, no. I'm sorry. There's no "I." Nothing to do. Nothing needs to.
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Everything that seems to happen is the absolute, which is look, which is the absolute, which is the absolute appearance. That there's no way to get away from what you're looking. So there's be also. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't do anything. No. It's just what it seems. That there's only what seems to be happening. So the individual inside here claims everything that seems to be happening. So it's happening to me. And it's real. When there's nothing inside here anymore, there's just simply happening. And it's not happening to anybody. Yes. Well, you've had the experience. You've seen it. Yeah. It's not. It's not reduced. So that experience is not reduced to that scene. It's not reduced to those guarantee for that memory. This is that nothing changed it. In a dream, there is, in the dream, there's more less. I more or less contraction. Doesn't mean anything. It's not the suggestion. It sounds like if there's less of a contraction, it's closer to freedom or closer to no one than more contraction. And that that doesn't have that sonic correlation. That's real. The individual is the continuation of suffering. This economy seeks out without an individual, less suffering. The, what do you call it? I mean, just this whole system, whatever you want to call it, will seek out positive experiences and avoid negative experience. It doesn't need an individual to do that. No. Absolutely not. Absolutely. That's the reason, you know, walk in the street in the traffic. While you put on one clothes when you go outside when it's cold. Not today. There's an instinctual whatever that wants to survive. The body wants to survive. But it's not personal. The individual attaches itself to that and says, "I have to do it." In a way, you could say it's sort of an afterthought. Yeah. It's a reaction. The individual is a reaction. It's only a reaction. With the experience of having powers of being a cause, has no, is not a cause. It's a reaction. It's never cold. It's a reaction to a reaction to reaction. If it were a cause, it could cause the end of itself. No, no. Every every effort is a confirmation of the need to seek. Yeah. Well, if it had any power, it would end itself. Yeah. Well, you don't. But yeah, we think we did. Yeah. The way you think you want what I'm talking about, you don't. Well, there's, there's two possibilities. Answers come out before. There's two possibilities. One, you think you're gonna get something, in which case you'll be very frustrated. As a billion yet. Or two, there's something for me. Everybody already knows what we're talking about. Yeah. It's already absolutely obvious. And this, this is sort of like taking a bath in that. Yeah. It's the closest to being home. That's what I used to say. If the closest to being home, because like you said, when this says it, it sort of creates a sort of a reality. It couldn't sort of taste it a little bit. Yeah, yeah. This fell in love with them. What do you mean? This fellow over there.
What don't you understand? There's no point to anything, so why not meditate? This leg, same one. Exercise, exercise. Yeah, this isn't that. This has no suggestion on any level that there should or shouldn't be anything happening because it's already obvious that whatever's happening is the absolute, is fullness, is everything happening. So it matters not. It just doesn't matter. War doesn't matter. Killing babies doesn't matter. Falling in love doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's, it's absolute freedom. It's uncontainable, ungraspable, absolute freedom. This, but that's not somewhere else, that's all there is. This is that. Even seeking, you can sort of stay that. That no-thing, or the absolute thought. It'd be very clever and look for itself. "Oh, look what I can do. I can pretend I don't know what I am and go on a journey to find myself." That's a dream.
So, are you saying that there's nothing to do now? I'm saying there's no one to do it. So you're saying perfection is everywhere? You could say unconditional. You could say all there is is perfection. All there is is this unconditional love. All there is is pizza. So, so with being pointed to something beyond the concepts, beyond the word. So infinite is not conceptual. You can't conceptualize unconditional love. It has nothing to do with the love that the individual thinks that it experiences. Absolute has nothing to do with anything you need. I could. So if we're talking about everything, we're talking about the absolute. Call it pizza. It's not the word. That's all there is. Is all there is. Is all there is. One thing. There's no thing. All there is is whatever arises. There's nothing outside of the accident. So there's only one thing. What? Absolutely. You can't say one, that would make it a thing. They, what? That's reason had bite up. Why they came up with the word? Because you can't actually point to anything. But what can be said is there aren't two. Excuse me. But you can't say just, you know what I mean? If you say, if you say all there is is one, then we're back to pizza. It's complete. This is indescribable.
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But is there anything else to do other than for experiences? Woodinville, that's the individual. The research, that's all it does. Yeah, yeah. So the reason, but it's a better experience. It's just looking for a better experience.
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Well, it can't. It's impossible to hold on to anything. So any better experience is, is gonna pass right through. Button. So you win the lottery, that only is exciting until you've lost all your money and all your friends, and then you've got to go do something else. Yeah. Or you take five MEO, and then that goes away, and then you have to look for it again, or try to find something else. Or you watch a movie on Netflix, and then, you know, that passes. You have to look for something else. So the problem for the individual is that the new experience, the positive experience, has no consistency. It can't be held on to because it doesn't touch the problem. No experience is going to touch the problem of the need for a new experience. What about the sense of loss from the experience of separation? Nothing. Nothing touches them. I gotta find a really good experience. I say, "Okay," and I recreate the experience. Generally, the recreation was never like the original. And said, this is a sense of waiting. Oh, maybe that's not because, you know, these days, but in the case of, you know, how you refer to yourself, I mean, is there a sense of what's still looking for experiences? Not at all. So you're going to think of it this way, anticipating experience? Absolutely not. Really. Who would? No, no. The, the misunderstanding is because this says it, that assumes that there's a person here that understands and grasps. That's a misunderstanding. What's being described or shared is there's no one here that understands or grasps. But that can't understand that because it can only function in understanding and grasp. It's much more simple than the individual thinks, and a whole lot less dramatic. The individual is waiting for an experience, quite a dramatic experience, an image. That's why it has these gurus. These famous gurus who it likes to follow because those are special people. You have found something special. And the individual is very, very special. Everything is about it. And so it assumes that its problems are because the world is really big and complicated, and everything out there is all going on, and all these needs, and we need to save the world. We need to get rid of pollution. We need to get rid of famine and war, and all these things. Very big, complicated world. And so it assumes that the solution to its experience is going to have to, you know, reflect how big and complicated it is. Yeah. It's not the end of the individual. It is not worth much. This, yeah. I mean, this is beyond searching. Pre-screen. Can this be grasped? No. I know it's Russian, dude. Nobody. If I knew what I was talking about, and I was holding it on and talking about the past, knowing or understanding of what happened, then there would be a repeating, right? This isn't, this isn't any of them. It's just simply this responding to questions, and it's always, it's always fresh and new. It's always explosive and alive. It's always no-thing appearing as this. And there's no experience. There's no experience of "it's gone." That's, yeah, it collapses. You can't understand that. It doesn't make sense. It's beyond belief. You won't believe that. If you do, it's not new. What I'm talking, it's the end. There's, there's no one here. So there's no over there, right? There's simply everything. There's simply everything. All there is is everything.
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In Serbia, who would observe everything? If they were an observer, there would be somebody here who is observing something else over there. So when people are speaking about meditation and observing and watching, what are they speaking of? That they're talking about their experience. They're talking about things that help them. The problem, but they have the biggest problem for the individual are emotions and feelings of emotions and thoughts. That's the biggest problem. And so the thing, all the solutions that the individual have include itself because they can't imagine that it's not. Because even the imagination is it isn't, is gonna have it in imagining that it's not. So it thinks that detachment is a solution. And so it, so it, so it seeks detachment because that sounds like a good idea, and it can do it. It can actually do it. Most of the teachings that you hear, there's a real integrity, not with all of them, I don't think I've heard that that don't you, but with Sullivan, there's a real integrity, and that people have really detached, and you can realize all sorts of things, and it's a dream. It's a dream. The individual, when it arises, it's sort of like a, it sort of goes out like that, and in that is the whole story. And in that story, the "I" can realize God. I can realize all those things. I can realize eternity. I am eternal. I can realize that. Absolutely. But that's not what you're talking now. Who says nothing that doesn't connect anywhere? Doesn't it? It's a dream. There is no real "I." If the "I" is there and realizes eternity, there, that "I" will still suggest that there's meaning and purpose, that it is better to realize eternity in God, and then it is not. Mmm. That's like being a really, really good person. And that's what the individual is all about, and being a good person. The straightjacket. Yeah, it's a straight. You're putting it somewhere other than this. You're saying that something brought this about. Nothing brought this. Is your fashion? No, no. We're not, we're not talking about a cause and effect to be out now. We're suggesting there's no reality. Sometimes I think it's so. Now I am you, and I think it's an experience. What that way? I feel sometimes just what I mean, my thoughts, my feeling, and Sunday, wow, and burn editing could. And I feel gratitude for life, and it's a, it's an energetic feeling. It's intense. And like life is very alive. And everything is, even a sickness, or even anything could trigger, could arrive. And even when I burn down suddenly, oh, wow, life is no. It's an experience because I realized then that I see it, that you feel is an experience because it's just what happened. It's just what it currently happens. There suddenly, wow, yeah, there's suddenly that. And there's suddenly that that you support that me? Yes, that's just what's happening. Yes. But you're describing is this happening to you? Yes. What this is describing, it's not happening to anybody. No, that's just happening. But is it possible that suddenly it has a like of an open window? So, and after we cooperate that to say it's made entire? Everything, everything is only saying one thing. This is complete. Okay. This is fulfilled. This is hope. That's all that. That's all that anything is saying. That's it. That's simple. And it doesn't care if anybody hears. And how do you relate to the past? No, there's no one here. There's just, there's just what's happening. What I can't describe is what a thought is when there's nobody is paying attention to. Just like I can't describe, no one can describe what it's like not to see what's happening. So the individual looks, and the function of the brain is to what's the difference? How do you describe that? They're worlds apart. Disappear. There's no innovation. It's just, there's no individual there. There's no individual there. There's just happening. Absolutely. Yeah. You're happy with you. When it is said, when it's said, there's something in no expectation or intention for anything to happen. There's no expectation for it to be heard. No intention for it to get. And, and then misleadingly, I admittedly as misleadingly, this says it doesn't care. That's not really, that doesn't really hit the point. But there's no holding on to what, what apparently does it. It doesn't. Unconditional love. Unconditional. So inconceivable. Unconditionally non-conditioned. The individual is conditioned, and there's in a conditioned world. What is that? If you're both to be really dramatic, rape is love. But the recognition of love, or how it's revealed, is the recognition that nothing could be out of place. Nothing could possibly be wrong. No separation. No separation. In that, in that everything is. There's no. I'm going to say stupid wrong words like accepted, or the. Everything is just just what it is without any need to be anything else. This, the does not, is not anywhere else. Unconditional love is personing, acting like it's looking for something else. Hmm. That's unconditional love. There's nothing that's not that. It's unconditional, right? So it's not relationship. It's not relatable. You can't make sense of it. Well, using that phrase, though, you create something. Just look for to see every single word that's said here can be misunderstood. And if you're stuck with the words, and that's what you get. It is pretty amazing. It's awesome. It is awesome when there's when there's no one in relationship to everything. Everything is then finally what it is, which is life. And that is just an absolute explosion. It's a non-exploding explosion of endless, endless everything, infinite everything. So the individual knows that this is the glass. It's in relationship to it, and that covers over the absolute. I mean, first off, it's an amazing creative thing. I mean, it's, it's a glass. Who could have thought of a glass? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But the individual knows that it, what it is, right? And though it's do it. So the miracle that it is completely lost. We're dead. You know how to do this around it? Well, anything, anything I'm pointing to, anything actually, I'm just using that lasted some very ample. Everything is that miracle. Yeah. But when I know what it is, it's dead. It's dead. It's that object. It's a thing. It's real. So that can't possibly be what I'm looking at. Can be acted on. I'm not suggesting that this walks around going, "It's not what it does." Not what it is. Well, it's also kind of amazing that there's no storytelling going on over there about what this is. Yeah. Well, there's no story. There's no purpose. There's no, there's no end to this. There's no story. And everything's empty. There's nothing to get out of doing that. Do these meetings just keep having apparently? They don't really have, right? Anyway, what kind of this happen? EpiPen applies time doesn't like a sense of demarcation that the individual wants to get rid of things. Yeah, because it wants to find a position. It only understands through having a position. What it can't do anything with is that this is and isn't. It's not real and it's not unreal. So time is apparent. We can talk about the conversation we had when you came in this afternoon. That doesn't mean it's real. That doesn't mean it's unreal. That's just what apparently happened. It's this appearing as that. And that leaves no position for the individual to understand or know what's going on. That always has to fall on one side or the other. There always has to be no time or real time, or no-thing or real there. So even beyond doesn't have any ground to stand up because it's always in relation to something. Totally. Although dice, a non, just as a description. Yeah, yeah. But there's nothing beyond. I'll say beyond the personal. I can say that it happens. No word comes close, but some come closer. It all has to do with the individual's journey of finding some very hope. Hope, if you look at it, is really a terrible word. The, the individual lives in hope. Hope is never this. Hope is always what's gonna happen. It's gonna happen in the future. I have hope that it'll get better. Yeah. Terrible. Yes. There's no hope. Says it. Hope is a dream. At the end of the duel needs. They hope that won't. They hopes it won't die. It's a very short list of people looking bleak. It's like a treadmill, really. But some of the excitement, if not rest, then never ends until it does. Yeah, until it drops away. Yeah. Well, it's not real, so it doesn't drop away for anyone. But yeah, it'll definitely stop happening.
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Could be. Yeah, yeah. I tell you, the realization, there's a realization that I am eternal because now is eternal, meaning endless. The "I" can, I can realize now. I can do that. So I don't know. I don't know if some sort of psychic reality theory where there's a reincarnation. Right. Don't know. Come, come here. There's no reason why anything couldn't happen. But who wants an eternal dream of hope? Never this. What's that? Not even. Oh, yeah. It does. Yes. Yeah. It doesn't want to die. Yeah, yeah. Totally. So eternal suffering is better than this? Is just the content. I am the eternal suffering. Well, the eternal, is there something that I can realize? I don't know. To party, but the "I" can do that. I can do all sorts of things. Movement said that special thing. There is it uses special thing in the high wanting to be special. Didn't know the is special. Did the experience of the "I"? I'm the whole. I am the center of the universe. To no, the dualism is I am here. Here is the beginning of dualism. So the constant contract goes like this. There's a tension in the body that is assumed as a here, as personal, as here. That here immediately becomes personal, or "I" am. And then what the appearance still doesn't make sense. So around the "I" am, our belief systems built up. That's that's it. And that whole construct is inside, outside. It doesn't. Don't need a world. You don't need to know. I can tell it's simply. And that happens in this. This appears of that appears as the construct of "I" am. Here "I" am. All my belief systems. That's disappearing. But that's what the me created, right? It doesn't seem totally. The sense of my, the word of naming it. By we have a set like a parallel world going. Culture puts in your name. No, no, no, no. It's, it totally happens within the body. It's not a reaction to cultural conditioning. The sense is there. No, it's not prior to them. It seemed. No, it seems to come after birth. It seems to come around eighteen months or so. So you don't think it's something that's? No, absolutely not. If there's, if there's only spacious aliveness, nothing is holding on to anything that's happening. So any content, conditioning, any apparent putting on, just flows right through like everything else does. Need spacious aliveness, there has to be a center that takes responsibility for what apparently is happening or what's being said or what's being conditioned. It seems like that happens around that of time, eighteen months, you say. Although I, because children, but I mean, the sense of is very sensing, you know, just this body. Then if it, but it's reinforced. Yeah, yeah. You could say that. But it seems to have a functional, you know, it seems to have some function. No, it has no function. As a function, it would have to be able to have some power or be a cause of something. It is simply a reaction. It doesn't do anything. It reacts. Do you see that animals have the same? No, they don't. No, they don't. So I mean, it seems that what we're talking about is the human dimension of experience. No, comes out. No, no, it doesn't. It doesn't actually cause or create anything. It's a reaction to a reaction aspect. It's a psychosomatic misunderstanding for human. And it's obvious when it falls away that what's natural is no "I." So the humans, human dimension, if you call it a minute, imagine. Well, I'm just talking about it because we are. It doesn't arise. And surprising, if you want to talk about neuroscientists, the neuron scientists will tell you their brains aren't complicated or complex enough to extrapolate personal experience. And ours are. And that's the reason it seems it's just big. You want to go further into it? We learned how to cook food because we had learned how to cook food. Our mandible was able to get smaller because the mandible got smaller, it had space for the brain to get bigger. As the brain got bigger, it was able to become more complex. And in its context, it was able to experience of an "I." Yeah, yeah. There's no, no, no. I just keep coming to that sense of this human dimension of thought creating all of this. Thought doesn't create any. Yeah, thoughts like a newspaper. It's a report. Is that this is? Yeah. I know. Yeah. I think, therefore I think I am. Well, I mean, a lot of times in seeking, that the whole thing is about controlling water getting. We talked about that day because that's that's that's what the "I." That's those are the biggest problems for life. And so it wants to detach from those and can because they can be really torture us. Only because the individual takes responsibility for them, totally into into free will. The ability of the shoes. And it's feeling that if it shows good things, it'll have a good life. How's it going? I don't know. If it was what it says it is, it wouldn't have the experience at this time. Yeah. So there's really no sense. It's not belief system, actually. You can't actually. You can then you can go to therapy and get help. Absolutely. And they said this isn't suggesting that any of that is wrong or right. And it's not suggesting that one, that one shouldn't or should. The suggestion is that doesn't touch the bra, the core problem. But it can make your prison a little bit comfortable, or comfort. Rearrange the furniture so you can get to the toilet without tripping over chairs. Why not?
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I see the relationship between section, this one caused the other. How do you see that? These seeing is a function of the brain. Sure. Yeah. And so this brain sees paintings. No thought is requirements, may say. Totally. It's a messaging system. What the guy has an effect on parts? Okay. By taking responsibility to it, creates a feedback loop between thoughts and feelings, right? So, so by saying, "That's not a father, a feeling I want to have," so dramatic feelings and things in the past, there can be a rejection of those. And that rejection then actually creates neurosis. So that as a reaction, not as a cause, creates neurosis and other problems, you know, with the feedback loop that goes on. And so when the "I" is no longer there, meaning no one cares, uh-huh, there's just what happens to arise. The whole system sort of calms down, gets a bit softer. Is the accessory, the exemplar thinking is that there's a picture of a viewer that still has a twin towers? And so I might have this big dream and rainbows and I see. But once all it by feedback, it's gone. They just say, "Well, there's New York, twenty hours in those." Like, why wouldn't you think they shouldn't have happened? Anything can arise. This isn't about having a particular thought. The search just becomes a, so up, it just becomes what's happening. Yeah. And nobody's there to say, "So what?" But he says, nothing to do with what the brain has as information. Yeah, you've got. So you're mixing up what we're talking about. This has nothing to do with the conditioning of the brain. This has to do with an experience within inside the body that arises out of attention that says the conditioning of the brain matters. It doesn't because nothing matters. There's no goal to this. There's no intention to this. This is freedom arising as this. It doesn't need to be conditioned or unconditioned. There isn't anything better about being unconditioned. There isn't anything better about being no me. This isn't, that's not what's being shared. What's being shared is there is only unconditional love. There is nothing else. And that can arise or appear as anything. And that doesn't matter. That's it. And this is that. It doesn't need to become anything. It's already.
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But it has to die. It does not have to die. Okay. Business up to stop. The individual wants it to die because it thinks it's gonna get something. When the injured individual stops happening, there's no one left to get any. No one ever gets it. It just doesn't. It just doesn't get it. There's nothing here that walks around knowing anything about what we're sharing. It just doesn't happen. It's the end of the need. It's the end of the, the expectation or the, or the intention that this needs to be something else. At the end of the experience of separation, in which all of that seems to arise, all that need. But just because there's no separation doesn't mean that if somebody gets that, and the appearance of separation is no, is no certain, is no proof of separation. There's no separation already. So there's no benefit there. Being no "I." This isn't about getting. And I catch myself using my imagination. I need to imagine what you're saying. But you're not actually doing that. No, that's just what seems to be happening. And there's nothing right or wrong with it. That's just what's happening. There is only happening. Nobody's doing it. Even the individual isn't anybody doing. There's no way to choose not to do it. Choosing not to do it is the same thing. Yeah. This isn't suggesting a certain movement. The suggestion is nothing moves. Is there a relationship between thoughts and minutes for you? Yeah. No, definitely. So you sit still. The whole system still seems to function. Well, they can have, they can play on each other. They can't. They don't have to know there's a me here. Well, with the meze, well, to me is looking for something. So the me, when the thought comes up, it's, it there's nothing. I've talked about this. There's a full toolkit that it's gone. Yeah. And every thought and every feeling goes through the system of beliefs. So you've got this enormous file cabinet. And the file cabinet has the, the heading on the final tenet is how defining what I'm looking. And it takes this enormous system and beliefs, and it's filing away the whole time. All because thoughts come up and they don't actually fit. So they have to be tinkered with, fit into the right box. Some are rejected, and those are put down there. I'm not supposed to think those things. In there, that's a bad thought. I got all these thoughts and all these boxes everywhere. That's all about how to get what I'm looking. That gives a lot of energy to thoughts and feelings. Makes them seem important. When that bond is a falls away, there's just thoughts and feelings. Who cares? They're just thoughts and feelings. So the whole system quiet sounded. There's nobody left. That time. It doesn't have to be any certain way. This doesn't have to be in a certain way for the individual. That has to be a certain way. It has to be a certain way. And once again, liked it. Wants to find something. It wants control. He wants to know what's happening because does it thinks it not something needs to. This needs to be different to find what it's looking for. It's doing that because this is to satisfy. Okay. You know how to make God laugh? They know how to make God laugh. Tell him your plans. Or her. Yeah. I know. It's like, it's the goal is to get away from something, right? So, well, that's the idea. That's the experience of the individual. I want to be happy all the time. That's what I want. It doesn't think it through them because they thought it through it. The obvious, you couldn't have one feeling all the time because you wouldn't know what that feeling was, right? If there weren't any contrast. But that's what it's looking for. Endless happening. Jeff, would you say you have more elective and awakeness? No. Mmm. There's, there's an experience. I am repeating myself. There is an expiry, an experience there that there's someone inside, right? That can stop happening. And with that stops the experience of there's something in there, and therefore something out there. There's no more anybody who's awake. Nobody. It's not. Mmm-hmm. It's not a system suggestion of anybody getting anything. Talking about a loss, right? It's not the longer. It's not. You're very interesting.
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Not really. No. Here, here is taken on as the first is the first thing of experiential knowing. And it's like a baby where that comfort blanket. It feels there's something really tangible and really graspable about it. There's something really, really good about it. It feels good to know something. It's just there's a long. Yeah. But do you think I said it sort of arises? Simon Thomas, yes. Sort of the same. I think when it fall, all I'm describing is what was revealed when it fell away. It just, that's just how it fell away. Yeah. Though they're actually, if you hear prescription, that's in this understand. Yeah. There's no first patient. Well, a little bit. It is. But there is somebody there that then takes homes a year. This doesn't matter, right? Yeah. But very often in the teaching, it's almost like "I" requires an individual. No, it is the individual. There's no individual. It is. So you would say that the individual is first? It's well, I don't know. They'll be the same thing. "I" am here. "I" exist. Yeah. Well, it arises out of the body. The experience. Now, that birthday. I can have an apparent experience beyond existence. That's the experience. Now, if that's the brain doing it or not, I'm not sure. But I know that they can do that. So it feels like I can have experience without a body. But as far as this is concerned, that's a dream. Yeah. Well, this isn't. This is an appearance. The only dream is the individual. Everything else is just what it is without any need to be alive. Spacious alignment. Yes. The whole thing. Yeah. No, I know. I know. Yeah. It's only the "I" that's okay. Yeah. So all this is not a dream. It's just, it's just the "I." It's the experience that "I" am here experiencing. That, that's a dream. It's as far as these walls are concerned. The walls are riveted. Well, they're not really. Okay. They're not real and they're not unreal. It's the ungraspable walling. But it's not weather. When there's only happening, there's nothing else. Exactly. So the constant coming forth with trying to unravel its just online stuff working it. So it's the experience of the individual trying to find something, trying to bridge the gap that itself is. So there's warrior, there's apparently weather tips, and that's just what seems to be happening. Or it's only not real. It's not memory, right? Now, it's ungraspable, right? Exactly. The absolute appearing last meeting, right? And just constant. No, no, no. There's no continuum. Okay. A continuum is part of the dream. The need of the individual. So this to end up somewhere else other than what is. This is everything, right? There's nowhere else for anything to happen. So it's impossible for there to be a constant. A constant would be a real movement through time. Like there's no real movement through time. It's a real movement through time is only apparent. No, it's creating the overlay on the appearance that that the experience says, "I am real. Everything is happening to me. I have a life which is a journey heading towards something better." And that journey, there's a called the search for meaning and purpose. That's the dream. Everything else is just simply what it is. So if the eyes, yeah, respectively, absolutely. I never was real. That's the false claim of the individual that it's real. And that experienced those either. The expensive "I" indescribable. The absolutely listen, which is already self-contraction. I mean, the contraction. Yeah. No, no. My thoughts, we're talking about it. It's fine. We're talking about an experience. "I" am. "I" am experienced here. Okay. There's no here. There's just everything. The tension in the body. What the tension in the body? Okay. Right. Tension here. "I" am. All of that happens timeless. And it seems that overlaying that tension, just already there. It's the, the sense of self, self-existence. You mean, you could say that the description of it is a story. So it's, it's just a way of describing the way it appeared when I fell apart. But it's meaningless. It's just a description. That's how it appeared here when it felt like that sort of construction. So is there enough room? Is there an ability for me to not take responsibility for thoughts? Usually you've having no power to do anything. And "I" am, "I" am the experience of being responsible for what's happening. "I" am is the experience of being the center of the universe. And everything is happening to me. And there is nothing. The "I" are the experience that "I" could do about that. It's completely trapped and hopeless. But you can, you can detach. There's an experience of detachment. Okay. You could do all sorts of things. But that has nothing to do with overtime. We're talking about an inconceivable end of real time and distance. The collapsing of experience, which is history without anyone knowing where it is. That's what it, that's this. You.