Good morning, sir. Going to ask you to please come on up. Please step into the witness box. Watch your step as you enter the witness box. Please remain standing. Madame clerk is going to take your roles. Okay. Thank you. Please raise your right hand. Do you only swear or only sincerely affirm, as the case may be, that the evidence you shall give concerning this case shall be the truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Or please state your full name, your last name.

Griffin Joseph Marcinsky, M-A-R-C-I-N-C-Z-Y-K, 43 Pine Street.

All right, thank you. You may be seated.

May I inquire on?

You may. Thank you. Good morning.

Morning. How are you?

I'm good. How are you?

Good. Griffin, can you tell ladies and gentlemen of the jury, uh, how how old are you at this moment?

I'm 19.

And uh, do you work?

I do.

What do you do for a living?

Uh, I do sales at Iron Solar Pros.

At Iron What?

Ion Solar Pro.

Okay. Just keep your voice up. Okay. You're soft-spoken. Um, and how long have you been working where you're working?

Uh, seven months.

Seven months. And uh, are you nervous?

Yes.

And prior to today's uh, testimony, have you and I met?

Yes.

And why did we meet?

Because of this instance.

Now, I want to direct your attention to May 14th of 2022. Okay. How old were you back then?

I was 16.

And were you in school?

I was.

Where were you in school?

I was a sophomore at Shelton High School.

And did you play any sports?

I played football and lacrosse.

Now, I want to direct your attention to around 6:00 p.m. on May 14th of 2022. Can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what you were doing around that time?

Uh, I was getting ready and headed over to one of my friends' houses.

And what friend's house were you going to?

Uh, my friend Natalia's.

And uh, did you go there with anybody?

I went with my buddy Ryan Hines.

And how how do you know Ryan Hines?

Uh, he moved to Shelton in seventh or eighth grade, and we played football together ever since then.

And uh, when you got to Natalya's house, did you did you stay long?

Um, decently. Not terribly. We were there for a few hours.

Few hours. And when you got to Natalya's house, what kind of things were you doing there?

Uh, there was a small group of us. We were just hanging out. Uh, had a drink or two. Uh, it was really it just kind of sitting around hanging out.

And when you said you had a drink or two, what what kind of things were you drinking?

Beers.

Beers. And you said you had two beers.

Yeah.

Okay. And uh, at some point in time, um, did you come to leave Natalia's house at some point in time?

Yeah.

And uh, why did you leave Natalia's house?

Uh, so me and Hines were a little bit bored, and uh, we had known that our buddy Austin Lifer was throwing a party, and we I'd grown up with him. So I gave him a text and I was like, "Hey, do you mind if me and Hines came?" He told us, "Yeah, feel free. Come on over." So we had a basically my cousin Tanner pick us up, and he dropped us off there.

Now you say Austin Lifer. How do you know Austin Lifer?

I've known him since we were young, fourth grade. We played sports together, went to school together, and he they were having a party at their house.

Yeah. And where does Austin live, if you can recall?

Uh, I don't know the maybe five Lazy Brook Road.

Lazy Brook Road. Yeah. And so at some point your cousin Tanner, Tanner who?

Trinowski.

Okay. And is he is he your blood relative?

No, we've just known each other since we were like born.

Okay. And at some point um Tanner comes and picks you and who else up?

Ryan.

Okay. Just the two of you.

Yeah.

And when he picks you up, where does he take you?

To Austin's house.

Okay. And when you get to Austin's house, around what time of night was it?

Um, not sure. Maybe around 10:00.

Okay. And when you got to Austin's house, uh, who got out of the car?

Me and Hines.

Okay. And did Tanner get out of the car?

No, he he left.

So Tanner just dropped you off and left.

Yeah.

Okay. And when you got out of the car, tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what happened during that sequence of events.

Um, me and Hines step out of the car, begin walking up the driveway. Let me let me stop you there. Did you bring anything with you to Lazy Brook?

Hines had a 12-pack of beer.

12-pack of beer. What kind of beer was it?

I believe Bud Light.

Okay. And when you got out of the car, you and Hines, tell us what you and Hines did after that.

Um, we began to go in, we entered the garage, and then we were encountered by three St. Joe's kids asking us basically who we were, basically what are we doing here, this and that. Um, we told them Austin had invited us. Uh, sustained. I'm going to strike what Mr. Hines said or what the other person stated. So, if you took a note on it, please discard it. Strike it from your notes. It's not to be considered for evidence in this case.

Okay. So, without telling us what they said, did you have a conversation with these three individuals?

Yes.

And do you know who these three individuals were at that given time?

Uh, they were just three SJ kids to me.

Do you know who they are now?

Yes.

And who are they?

Uh, Tyler Dilva, Jack Snider, and Rival Valley.

Okay. And is Rival Valley in court today?

Yes, he is.

And what is he wearing?

Black suit.

And can you point him out for the ladies and gentlemen of the jury?

Your honor, may the record reflect the witness identified the defendant in this case.

Court will let the record reflect the witness identified the defendant. You may proceed.

And uh, does the defendant have a nickname?

Uh, yes. Leo.

What is his nickname?

Leo.

Leo. So when you and Hines got to the the St. Joe's party, the defendant and his two friends confronted you.

Yeah.

And Hines.

Yes.

And without telling us what anybody said, uh, what was that confrontation like?

um, between two dudes who never see each other. They were in a place where they were comfortable with, not knowing that was a place we were also comfortable with. So they were a little, "who are you guys? What's going on? Blah blah blah." Kind of hostile, not really. But it escalates when one of them grabs uh Hines's beer out of his hand. We move outside. Um, well, let me stop you there. Before before you move outside, does the defendant say anything to you or Hines when you're when you when you're confronted by him and uh Tyler and Jack?

I don't remember specifically.

Okay. And at some point in time, someone takes Hines's beer.

Yes.

Who takes Hines's beer?

Uh, Jack Snider.

And when that happens, what's the reaction that uh, if anything, that Hines has at that moment?

Um, he's pissed off that someone just grabbed his beer out of his hand. So um, we move outside afterwards. Um, the two of them conclude that they'd fight for the beer back.

Okay. Then the two of them that you're referring to, Hines and Jack Snider.

Okay. And, uh, at some point in time, uh, did they confront each other as if they were going to fight?

Yes.

Were you present, uh, and witnessed that happening?

And when that happened, um, what if anything can you tell us about where Oh, withdrawing based on your recollection, do you know if Tyler Dilva was present at that moment?

Yes.

And where was where was he standing at that moment?

Um, so Hines and Snider are looking at each other. He's Dilva's to Snider's left. So if I'm if I'm if you're if you're and I'm Dilva's right there. So, he's over to to to uh Jack's left.

Yes.

Okay. Was the defendant present when this was happening?

Yes.

And when do you recall where he was standing before?

Well, when Jack and uh uh he was right here to Hines, behind him to his right, like peripheral.

Okay. Now, when what do you recall about what happened next when you were witnessing this?

Um, they they both put their hands up. They're about to begin fighting, and the first punch was thrown by by Leo from the back, and it hit Hines in the back, like back side of the head, and then he instantly Hines instantly takes Snider to the ground. So if you're if you're Jack and I'm Ryan, the defendant is here, and he punches uh Ryan in the face from behind.

Yes.

Okay. Tell us when that happens what what occurs next.

Um, Hines instantly go takes him to the ground, and it's this is like a 30-second thing that from start to finish, and once he gets to the ground um, a girl they all knew was like trying to break it up uh he had a Leo had a motorcycle helmet on. He had taken it off and struck Hines with it twice or twice, hit him in the head.

Now, when the fight starts, after the defendant punches Ryan from the behind, does anybody else jump in the fight?

Um, once they get to the ground, uh, Leo hits him with the with the helmet. So, yeah, I guess that's jumping into the fight.

Did Tyler jump into the fight?

Um, the way they fell, I only saw like his upper body. I didn't see any fists. So maybe kicked, but I'm not here to say this.

So at some point in time, Jack and and Ryan are engaged in a fight. And you what do you witness the defendant do?

Hit him with a motorcycle helmet.

So he comes over and hits him with the helmet. How does he hit him with the helmet?

Uh, takes it off and strikes him down on it twice, once twice, I believe.

Okay. Do you recall what um Tyler Dilva was wearing that night?

Uh, a powder blue jersey. It was open, like a white shirt on, I think, jeans.

And do you recall what the defendant was wearing that night?

Also a powder blue shirt with black, I think sweatpants.

And do you recall what Jack Snider was wearing that night?

A red hoodie and black sweatpants.

I approach the witness, your honor.

Yes.

Showing you what's been marked as Exhibit 53 for identification purposes. Do you recognize 53?

Yes.

And what is 53?

A picture of Jack Snyder and the defendant.

And uh, is this uh, did you take this picture?

No.

Um, now is this uh, is this how you remember what the defendant uh was wearing on the night in question?

Yes.

Okay. Um, and is this picture accurately reflect what Jack was wearing that night?

Yes.

Unless there's an objection, I would offer it at this moment.

No objection.

All right. Court accepting evidence states 53. Showing you state's 53 again now for the jury's benefit. Uh, is that uh the defendant to the right there?

Yes.

And that's Jack Snider to the left?

Yes.

And is that the motorcycle helmet that the defendant has on that you saw the defendant use during the fight with Ryan Hines?

I believe so. Yes.

Now, you indicated that um after the fight it lasted about 30 seconds, maybe 40. Okay. When the when the fight eventually ended, uh, what if anything did you and or Ryan do next?

Um, the mom comes out. Lifer's mom comes out running or yelling. Like obviously there's a fight in her driveway. Uh, kind of just get up, gather his things, tries to find some of his beers. They had spilt. Uh, think he grabbed a couple of them. We headed down the driveway. Uh, we met a group of girls who had just witnessed that as well. Um, and we offered or asked them to bring us back to our friend's house, and they said yes. They brought us back to our friend Natalya's house.

And then um when you went back to Natalya's house, um let me ask you this. Between the time you were at Five Lazy Brook to the time you went back to Natalya's house, were you drinking any alcohol?

Uh, no.

When you got back to Natalya's house, how long would you say you were at Natalya's house for when the girls dropped you off?

Um, maybe around like 10, 15 minutes.

And when you were at Natalia Natalya's house, were you drinking alcohol at that point?

No.

Uh, did you observe Ryan Hines drinking alcohol at that point?

No.

Now, at some point in time, uh, between leaving Lazy Brook Road and getting to to Natalya's house, uh, was there any communication between you or anybody else over any type of messaging?

Um, not at that point. No.

Okay. Can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what if anything occurred between the time you left Natalya's house, well withdrawn, at some point in time? You were there for how long?

About 15 minutes.

15 minutes. And at some point you left.

Yes.

Uh, why did you leave Natalya's house?

Um, a close friend of mine, Charlie Connor. He had given me a call, had heard about what happened with Hines, and he said he was coming to grab us. Without telling us what he said. Sustained. Okay. You can't tell us what he said. Um, did Charlie Connor call you?

Yes.

Did you have a conversation with Charlie Connor?

Yes.

And did you tell him what you observed at Five Lazy Brook Road?

Yes.

Okay. And at some point in time, uh, did somebody pick you up at Natalya's house?

Yes.

And who picked you up?

Charlie.

And when he picked you up, uh, where did you go?

Uh, to Tyler Rich's house.

Okay. Now, between the time you left Natalya's house to the time you got to Tyler Rich's house, uh, were were there any communications between we'll call we'll call it you and your Shelton friends and the St. Joe's kids?

Um, yeah, some had begun.

Okay. Can you please describe to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what what that was without telling us what people said?

Um, we were in a basketball group chat.

What does that mean, basketball group chat?

It means that um, prior to this incident, it was an existing group chat. Um, there were two other St. Joe's kids in it that we hung out with um, and we would go play basketball, pickup games, you know, kids stuff. And once this had happened, they a few people were added into the group chat, and then it became very argumentative, going back and forth because of the fight. And it was just boys talking crap to each other, beefing.

And um, were you in that group chat?

Yes.

And did you um engage anybody in that group chat?

Yeah.

Okay. And what kind of things were you saying in that group chat?

We were talking talking crap back and forth. Um, at at one point it was said within the group chat on on their behalf of We can't tell us what they said. Unless you know unless you know something that the defendant said. Um, we just need to know the tone of it. It was it was hostile, argumentative. We were both going back and forth. We were hot. Our our boy had just been had been jumped by three kids. So, we were acting out of emotions, you know, being like boys just like yo talking [__] back and forth.

Okay. Uh, I'm going to show you what's been marked the state's Exhibit 5. It's a full exhibit. Uh, do you recognize state's 5?

Yes.

And what is state's 5?

Uh, the Rich's house. That's Tyler Rich's house.

Yes. How do you know Tyler Rich?

Um, from the same town. We've always just kind of been around each other since we were younger.

You grew up with him?

Yeah.

Um, and uh yes. What time of night would you say you got to Tyler Rich's house?

Probably around 11.

11ish. Okay. Um, was it dark out? What was the lighting like?

Well, the sun was down. Yeah. So, it was nighttime, but the moon was out. It wasn't terribly dark. We were able to see outside.

Okay. Uh, was it pitch black?

No.

Um, and when you got to Tyler Rich's house, was this group chat, this basketball group chat between the Shelton kids and St. Joe's kids, did that continue when you were at Tyler Rich's house?

Yes. Was everybody that was withdrawn. How many people would you say were at Tyler Rich's house when you and Ryan got to Tyler Rich's house?

Probably around 30, 40.

30, 40 kids.

Okay.

They approach, your honor.

Yes.

Showing you what's been marked as state's Exhibit 54 for identification purposes. Do you recognize 54?

I do.

And what is state's 54?

A picture of Faison Teal.

And how do you know Faison?

I played football with him in high school.

And uh, does this picture accurately reflect what Faison Teal looked like on or about 5/14 of 2022?

Yes.

Showing you state's Exhibit 55 for identification purposes. Do you recognize state's 55?

Yes.

And how do you recognize state's 55?

Um, it's Tommy Connor. It's Charlie's older brother, and I've I've known their family for some time.

And how do you know you've known him for some time?

Yeah.

And uh, are you friends with Tommy or Charlie Connor? How does that I was friends with Charlie because he's a year older than me. So that made me be friends with Tommy as well.

And does this uh, state's 55 accurately reflect what uh Tommy looked like on or around May 14th of 2022?

Yes.

Showing you state's Exhibit 56. You recognize 56?

Yes.

And what is state's 56?

Photo of Ryan Hines.

And uh, how do you know Ryan Hines?

Once he moved to Shelton, we were kind of just boys from sports.

And what kind of sports?

Football.

And uh, does this picture accurately reflect what Ryan Hines looked like on May 15th of 2022?

Yes.

And finally, I'm going to show you state's 57. Do you recognize state's 57?

I do.

And how do you recognize state's 57?

It's a picture of my friend Jimmy. Jimmy McGrath.

And how do you know Jimmy McGrath?

Um, when I first switched over to public schools in third grade, I met him on the bus.

And does this picture accurately reflect uh Jimmy McGrath on May 14th of 2022?

Yeah. What he appeared like on May 14th of 2022.

Yeah.

Your honor, without objection, I would offer these as full exhibits.

All right. Without objection, court will go ahead and take evidence state's 54, 55, 56, and 57, I believe.

I'm sorry.

It's okay.

Madame clerk, those went through 57, correct?

Yes.

Thank you. Showing you state's 54. Now publishing that to the jury. Uh, state's 54 is again Faison Teal. And was Faison present at 43 Laurel Glenn, Tyler Rich's house on the night of May 14th of 2022?

Yes.

Showing you 55. What is Who is What's 55? A picture of again?

A picture of Tommy Connor.

And was Tommy Connor present at Tyler Rich's house on May 14th of 2022?

Yes, he was.

[Applause] Showing you 56. Who's What is 56 again? Picture of who?

Ryan Hines.

It was Ryan Hines. Is that the same Ryan Hines you mentioned that was with you at Lazy Brook earlier in the night and went with you to Tyler Rich's house?

Yes.

Finally, 57. Can you tell, ladies and gentlemen of the jury who 57 is?

Jimmy McGrath.

It was Jimmy McGrath at uh 43 Laurel Glenn, Tyler Rich's house when you went there that night.

Yes.

I'm going to show you state's 12. Do you recognize state's 12?

Yes.

And how do you recognize?

It's Jimmy McGrath.

Now, are you familiar with an Enrico Fiola or Ricky Fiola?

Yes.

How are you familiar with him?

Played sports with him, known him since probably sixth grade.

And was he present at 43 Laurel Glenn on the night of May 14th of 2022?

Yes.

Are you familiar with Sal Perry?

Yes.

And how are you familiar with Sal Perry?

Her families are friends.

And was he present at 43 Laurel Glenn on the night of May 14th of 2022?

Yes.

Are you familiar with Mike Serry?

Yes.

And how are you familiar with Mike Serry?

I grew up with him as well.

And was he present at Tyler Rich's house on May 14th of 2022?

Yes.

Are you familiar with an Alex Bernston?

Yes.

How are you familiar with Alex Bernston?

Uh, he's Tanner's friend. That's how I met him.

And uh, was he present at Tyler Rich's house on the night of May 14th of 2022?

How about Charlie Connor? Was Charlie Connor present at Tyler Rich's house on the night of May 14th of 2022?

Yes.

And how about Jacob Villa Lobos? Are you familiar with Jacob Villa Lobos?

Yeah.

And how are you familiar with Jacob?

He was my captain.

Captain for what?

Football.

And was he present at uh 43 Laurel Glenn?

Yes.

On May 14th of 2022. How about Matt Lakovich? Are you familiar with a Matt Lakovich?

Yes, I am.

And how are you familiar with him?

He was also my football captain.

And was he present at Tyler Rich's house on the night of May 14th of 2022?

Yes.

Okay. Now, when you got to Tyler Rich's house at around 11 p.m., uh, what kind of You said there were about 30 kids there. Yeah. What kind of things were going on when you got

To Tyler Rich's house on May 14th of 2022? Typical high school things, you know, down in the basement listening to music. Um, couple people had drinks.

Did you drink? Uh, not while I was at the Riches. No. I'm sorry. Not while I was at the Riches. No.

You didn't drink at all at Tyler Rich's house? Uh, I could have had a beer. Okay. Um, have you drank before? Yeah, prior.

Prior prior to Lazy Brook. Okay. Um, how about prior to May 14th of 2022? Have you ever had a beer before? Yeah. Okay. Um, have you ever been intoxicated before? Yeah.

On May 14th of 2022, were you intoxicated? No.

Now, how long would you say you were at Tyler Rich's house uh while the group chat was going on? Probably about like 25 minutes. Okay. And after about 25 minutes, well, withdrawing uh during that 25 minutes, did you uh say anything in that group chat um with regards to uh 43 Laurel Glenn? Um yes.

Well, as we were all together going over this group chat, we're we're talking, they're talking. Um, was kind of just like I was collective. A couple people would tell them to pull up. So, I I did.

So, you told them to pull up. And when you told them to pull up, how did they know where to get get to? Uh, I said the road name. I'm sorry. You said the road name. Okay.

And at some point in time after that 25 minutes, did something happen uh that you became aware of outside of 43 Laurel Glenn? I'm not sure who, but someone had pointed out that there was a car outside. Uh we kind of all collectively headed up out through the back and went outside and saw the car.

Okay. I may have a moment. Yes. showing you what's been marked as states exhibit 49. You recognize 49? Yes. Okay. And this is a overhead shot of what? The richest household. Okay. And that would be uh this house here to the left of 49 kind of covered by some trees with the three pickup trucks in the in the driveway. Yeah, that's Tyler Rich's house. Yeah. May the record reflect that I'm uh pointing to the house with the black, blue, and white truck parked in the driveway. All right. So noted. Thank you.

Now, at some point in time, a car arrives. Yeah. What kind of car was it? Believe a Honda Pilot. showing you your stage 30. Is that the Honda Pilot you saw pull up or in the area of 42 Laurel Glenn on May 14th of 2022? Yes. Okay. And when this Honda pilot pulled up, can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury where you saw the car when you exited? Well, withdraw when you when you when you were aware became aware that there was uh a car outside of Tyler Rich's house, uh what if anything did you do? Um we all came outside. At first it was like where's the car? And then we had noticed um closer to at like the bottom of the road like where the road meets that road a car was added to like the chain of cars that were there and we had recognized that we didn't know what car that was. So we all kind of made our way over to it realized they were in the car.

Now I'm going to take you back now. Okay. Back up. This is states exhibit six. Okay. Tyler Rich's house, right? Yes. Okay. When you were at Tyler Rich's house, were you inside the house or outside the house? Both. Both. Okay. When you became aware that there was a car that arrived in the area of Tyler Rich's house, were you inside the house or outside the house? Um, inside. Okay. And where were you inside the house? We were in the basement. Okay. And at some point in time, when you heard there was a car that arrived at Tyler Rich's house, did you exit the basement? Yes. How did you exit the basement? through like the umbilical doors in the back. Builco doors. Those are like the basement doors that open like this. And uh what side of the house are the bilco doors in? I'm showing you stage six. Can you can you show us where um it's kind of blurry, but step down and and point, your honor. Certainly. That's fine. If he feels comfortable doing that, certainly. Of course. point right here. So, right around here is the walkway entrance that brings you from around back. Okay. So, your the record can reflect that the witness pointed to this area just in front of the blue truck in state six in the in the back area where there appears to be an air conditioning unit. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. In in this this opening air area here. Oh, that's noted. Thank you. And when you came out of the Belco doors, are you able to to describe to the ladies and gentlemen the jury in states exhibit 49 how where you did you observe the car when you walked right out the coco doors? Um not at first. No, you came around the house. So you came around the house. Um, did you come around the house and for the the the jury and and the record's benefit, did you come out this way where this patch of grass is just to the left of the blue truck? Yeah. Sorry. Did you walk down the driveway? Um, I believe so. Okay. And when you walked to the driveway, did you walk to the end of the driveway? Uh, yeah. Okay. And when you got to the end of the driveway, tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what you observed at that moment. We had noticed that the car was about where those trees are equivalent parked right about there. So if I for the record's benefit, are you referring to these trees right here? Yes. So uh was the car parked in the middle of the road? Side of the road? Uh it was it was pulled up onto the side on the side of the road. So right about here. Yeah. So you're on the record can reflect there's trees at the bottom of stage 40. N uh the bottom right hand group of trees just uh after the intersection of uh Laurel Glenn and Adams. All right, that's noted. Thank you. So, the car was parked there. Yeah. When the car was parked there, did you approach the car? Uh yeah, we all did. Okay. And when you say you all did, how many people do you think approached the car if you know? At least 20. Okay. And do you recall who was present when you approached the car? um in in the car in your group. No, in your group your group I not specifically. Okay. Was Tyler Rich uh present if you recall? I I don't recall exactly who was outside. So there was about 20 kids. Yeah. Okay. And when you approached the car, was the car facing uh facing towards Adams or away from Adams? Away down the road. So So if we're looking at Yeah. Approach your arms. Okay. This is stage one. So when the car is parked, it's parked this way facing towards Farmhouse Road. Yes. Okay. And you approached the car? Yes. And did you recognize anybody in the car? Yes. Who did you recognize in the car? Um, Dilva Snider and Leo from prior at the Lifers. So you you noticed the defendant was in the car, Jack Snyder and Tyler Dilva. Did you notice if there was anybody else in the car? I think so, but I'm not sure who at that moment you weren't sure who else was in the car.

Now, can you please describe to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what happened when you when your Shelton friends went out to the car? Um, they start talking, start going back and forth. We're saying stuff to them, they're saying stuff to us. Was it Was it uh a civil discussion? Was it argumentative? Argumentative. Okay. Um, did you say anything? No, I was I was in the front. I wasn't at any windows. You were in the front? Yeah. What do you mean you were in the front? Like where I was standing, I was kind of looking through the windshield. So, if you were uh you were if the car is parked here on the right side in stage 40 49, you were somewhere up here in front of the car. Yeah. Now, if this is the car here, are you directly in front of the car? Are you car? I'm more towards the pass like the passenger side. Yeah. So, you're closer to the curb than you are to the center of the road. Yeah. Okay. But still in front of the car. Yeah. And um how long would you say the interaction went on between your friends and and the uh St. Joe's group? Few minutes. Okay. Did you do you recall who was driving the pilot uh that night? Jack Snider. Okay. And do you recall if you can who was in the front passenger seat? I I don't recall. I just saw the the powder blue in the front and back. Okay. And um you said about five minutes that interaction went on. Yeah, a few. And at some point in time, what did something happened between your group of friends and the Snyder vehicle group of friends? Um yeah, they're talking back and forth and then collectively people start like holding on to the roof racks and shaking it back and forth. So your group started shaking the car. Okay. And what what else? Excuse me. What else happened during that? Um the the car was on. So once that started happening, they put it in drive and drove forward and had to like hop out of the way a little bit. Then they sped down the road. So you had to hop out of the way when the car drove down the road. Yeah. How was it being operated if you can if you recall? Speeding, I guess. And when you say it went down the road, it took off towards farmhouse. Farmhouse. Yes. Okay. And when it took off down the road towards farmhouse, what if anything did you observe uh at that point? Um they what happens after they drive away is they can continue to drive back and forth from the Rich's house like up and down the road. So they're driving the stage 49 up and back down Lauren. Yeah. I'm not exactly positive if they hit a U-turn or if if you see it's like a square. So, I don't really remember if they drove the square or if they just busted a UI and came back and forth, but they came they came back and forth. They crossed the house multiple times. Okay. And when they crossed the house multiple times, what, if anything, did you observe people from the car doing? Um, uh, they were throwing things at us. We were throwing things at them. What kind of things were they throwing at you? I believe there was a WD40 can, like a water jug of some sort. Okay. And when those things were thrown at you guys, what, if anything, did you observe your group of friends do? throw it back. You threw it back at them. Okay. Uh did you witness anybody uh throw anything and hit the car? Uh not I don't recall if anyone hit the car. Are you aware if the car was hit with anything? I'm not sure. No. Okay. And uh at some point in time, did they stop driving back and forth in front of Tyler Rich's house? Yes. Okay. And when they stopped doing that, what if anything did you observe as to where the car went? um they had moved towards where Farmhouse Lane is and stopped the car up like on the corner of it. So for the jury and the record's benefit, this is states one. If we're looking at states one, they're somewhere in the area of the intersection of uh farmhouse and Laurel Glenn. Yes. Okay. And uh would you say they were in front? Did you see them in front of this house or was it more towards the intersection? Um I was far away so so you you couldn't tell exactly but they were in this area. Yeah. Uh and may the record look reflect the witness was saying they were in the area of the intersection of farmhouse road and uh 36th floor. It's noted. Thank you. And when you were down the road when when you saw them the the car stopped down the road, did you observe anything about about uh the occupants of the car? Um I think two of them had gotten out. Okay. And could you see who got out of the car? No, I could not see specifically. Okay. And when um when you noticed those individuals get out of the car, what what if anything did you observe next? Um uh two of my friends, maybe more, but Ricky and and Tyler had began walking down to go speak with them. And when you say Ricky, you mean Ricky Fiola? Yes. And when you say Tyler, you mean Tyler Rich? Yes. Okay. And they went down the road. Did you see them go down the all the way down the road? Um, I saw them when they got pretty close and then I had headed back inside. Did you observe Tyler Rich or Ricky Fiola do anything when they were going down the road? No. Did you hear anything uh as to not what people said, but did you hear anything uh any any u argument or anything down the road from where you were? No. Okay. And you say that at that some point in time you went back into the house. Yeah. And when you went back into the house, how did you enter Tyler's house? Same way I left. There's a basement door. So, you walked before you get back into the house. Can you show me on stage 49 where you were standing when uh the car finally went down the road? Yeah, I kind of kind of like around the mailbox like poked out in the road a little bit. Just saw saw the boys walking down there. So, my fingers pointed in the road here just in front of the mailbox uh on 49. Is that about where you were standing? Yeah, in that general area. Okay. And when you went back, y can reflect my my fingers pointing to the front of the mailbox just uh about maybe five feet into the road. Cord will note it. Thank you. Uh and when you went back into uh Tyler Rich's house, did you walk up the driveway and go inside the Vilco doors or did you go in the house a different way? I took the same route. Okay. And when you were back in the house, uh when you were back in Tyler Rich's house, how long would you say you were in Tyler Rich's house for that at that time? Few minutes. Few minutes. And when you were back in Tyler Rich's house, were you consuming any alcohol? Uh, no. And uh, how many people would you say were inside the house when you went back inside the house at that moment? Almost all of us. Okay. And uh, at some point in time did you uh, come back outside the house? Yes. And why did you go back outside the house? Uh, cuz they had came back. When you say they had come back, who came back? Um well when we when we got outside um Leo and Dovva were out of their car. Okay. Now show you stage 52. Okay. Now when you came out of the house, what route did you take? The same route I had been taking. went a little revered a little left because they were approaching towards the yard. Let's show you stage 50. It's a little closer view. When you came out of Tyler Rich's house, he came out this side of the house where the Vilco doors were. Yeah. Okay. And I'm pointing to the area just in front of uh there's an opening between some trees and the house just in front of the blue truck here. Right. Yep. Okay. And when you came out of the house, what route did you take? Kind of. Describe it. Kind of like exactly where that blue truck is and then went cut towards the grass. So, did you come down to the left side of the blue truck and go out to the right this way over to the cement block area, or did you go out of the side of the house and take a right in front of the blue truck, past the black truck, and come down the uh we'll call it the driver's side of of the black truck? Um I mean, the blue truck wasn't there at the time, so we kind of Yeah, just walked down like exactly where it is and then like bended into the grass. So, I may have a moment. I'm going to show you stage five. Um, when you came out of the Velcro doors, right where this air conditioning unit is in front of the opening where this blue truck is, did you come down the left side of this blue truck and through the middle of the between the blue truck and the white jeep or did you come down the passenger side of this blue truck uh towards this area? Uh, the passenger side. So, you came out the Bilco door, took a quick left, and then down down the grass area where the um the cobblestone block is. Yes. Okay. And where did you end up when you first when you first went outside? Um like right in between that that slab and and red bush in that area. Okay. So, I'm showing you uh states for the record. I'm sorry. It's okay. This is stage 52. Thank you. This is obviously a re more recent picture. Was this green tree here? Uh no. Okay. And when you came down, where can you point to uh the area in states 52 where you came uh where you stood in this general vicinity right here? Okay. So in the record reflect uh just above the area of this square cement uh looks like possibly a septic uh cap thing here and the red bush. All right. So noted. Thank you. And uh when you stood there uh what was the lighting like at that time? Um I think there might have been a light on from the driveway like slightly illuminating. It was dim lit. Moon was out. Wasn't terribly dark. you were able to see. Did anybody have flashlights on? Yeah. Okay. Um, how were they having how what were they using to to illuminate what was going on? Phone flashlights. Okay. Uh, and when you got outside, tell the ladies and gentlemen, the jury um what you observed initially when you got to that area. So when we get outside, the cars pulls up um facing towards Adams kind of like where do you know where it's parked in that picture? 52. Um it's like the car would be right right here. This would be the car. So can the record reflect that the car is parked in 52 to the right lower area would would appear to be the middle of the road. Carl note it. Thank you. Uh court will not it. Thank you. So when the car was parked there, tell me what you observed. Um Leo and Dovva hop out of the car, start approaching the property. Obviously there's arguments going back and forth. How were they approaching the property? Do you can you recall how they were approaching the property? They were just walk or like if I was like how I saw them. Yeah. Um my from my view the one on the right was Dilva was on the the left. So on Tyler's right. So, if I'm standing in that area where you pointed out in 52 between the red bush and what looks like to be the septic cap, we'll call it that. Um, you see Tyler Dilva to your right and Leo to your left, the defendant. Yeah. Okay. Was there anybody else with them? Um, the driver, but they were just alone out of the vehicle. And when you observed when you observed Tyler and the defendant get out of the car, how many people from your group were out outside? Majority. And do you recall if there was not what people said, but do you recall if there was a verbal interaction between anybody from your group and the defendant and or Tyler Dilva? Yeah, there was there was stuff being said back and forth. What kind of things? Not what they said, but what was the manner in which the things were being said? Argumentative. Okay. And was your group being argumentative? Both. Both parties. So the defendant and Tyler Dilva were being argumentative back. Yeah. Did it look like they were trying to be peaceful? No, but neither did we. And when so can you tell on stage 52 where approximately you observe Tyler Dilva was as opposed to where the defendant was. Um this this would be probably about Dilva would be about right here. And when there was an interaction between your group and the defendant and Mr. Dilva where did that interaction that verbal interaction take place? um as they were walking up a little bit on the grass as well. A little bit on the grass just past the um the curb area. Yeah. Okay. And who was talking to not what was said who was talking to Tyler Dilva or arguing with Tyler Dilva at that moment? Um do you recall couple of people Rich was arguing with him. He was also said some words towards both of them. Everyone was kind of talking. So Tyler Rich Tyler Rich was talking to Tyler Dilva. Yeah. At one point. Do you recall anybody else

From your friend group talking to Tyler Dilva? Uh, not specifically. Do you recall whether or not anybody was um withdrawn?

How far apart were Tyler Tyler Dilva and the defendant? They they weren't terribly far apart. Maybe a couple of feet. Five to eight. Okay. And um do you recall who out of your group of friends was uh were they have was anybody having a discussion or near the defendant at this moment? Um, Hines was near the area. Brian Hines was near the defendant. My buddy Ty Wood was confronting him.

Um, how do you know Ty Wood? Known him my whole life. My sister and his brother were friends. We played sports together, and obviously he was at the party that night as well. Uh, who else if anybody do you recall being near the defendant uh at that moment? I'm not sure of anyone else, but you're you're from what you recall, you recall Tai Wood and Ryan Hines?

Yes. Okay. And how was uh the defendant's demeanor with regards to your friends Ryan Hines and Ty Wood? They were they were both ready just like ready to fight. Okay. And um how long would you say there was this verbal altercation going on back and forth on May 14th of 2020?

Not very long. You say not very long. How? A minute or two. Okay. And after a minute or two, did something happen?

Yes. Okay. Can you please describe to the ladies and gentlemen, the jury what you observed happen? Um, Tai and Leo had been arguing. Um, it looked like Leo was about to swing on Tai, so Rich stepped in front and struck Leo. So, Tyler Rich punched the defendant in the face.

Yes. Okay. And when Tyler Rich punched the defendant in the face, what happened next? Um, well, the fight begins, and his whole interactions or Leo's whole interactions kind of get out of my view from the crowd of people that are all just in front of me, so I can't really see him, but then I see um Dilva, and he starts getting into it. And then him and Rich actually end up in like a wrestling match basically in the lawn.

And who do you recall being in the area of Tyler Rich and Tyler Dilva's fight? Like Lock, Villa Lobas, Alex Bernstein was in the area. When you say Lock, you mean Matt Lock? Matt Lockovich. Yeah. And um Tyler Rich.

Yeah. And uh Jacob Villa Lobos. Who else? Do you recall? Anybody else? Uh, not specifically. No. And uh when you were observing uh the fight between Tyler Dilva and Tyler Rich, did you have an idea? Uh, were you aware of what was going on with the defendant? Uh, no. Okay. I knew he was in in a fight. I could see it, but I couldn't see specifics. Do you recall how many people he was in a fight with?

No. Okay. And when when the fight's going on withdrawn, did you have any weapons on you that night?

No. Did you see Tyler Rich with any weapons on him that night?

No. Did you see Ty Wood with any weapons on him that night?

No. Did you see Ryan Hines with any weapons on him that night?

No. Uh, did you see Jacob Villa Lobos with any weapons on him that night?

No. Did you see Matt Lockovich with any weapons on him that night?

No. Did you see uh Sal Perry with any weapons on him that night? How about Mike Sier? Did he have any weapons on him that night?

Not to my knowledge. How about Charlie Connory? Did he have any weapons on him that night? How about Tommy Connory? Did he have any weapons on him that night?

No. How about Faison Teal? Did you see any weapons on him?

No. Did you see Jimmy that during the fight?

Not during the fight. Not during the fight. Do you know if he had any weapons on him?

He did not. So when the fight's going on, you lose sight of what the defendant's doing and you kind of focus on Tyler Rich and Tyler Dilva. How long would you say you were? Well, did you move at any point in time from where you were during that fight? I might have creeped to about about where that tree is. Maybe maybe right on the cement just watching. So you were in that general area. Stayed in that area mainly. Do you recall anybody being near you at the time?

Tanner. Tanner Chernowski was near you.

Yeah. Okay. And how long would you say that withdrawing? Tell us what you observed about the fight that you did observe. Um, it was it was quick. They were on the ground. I remember like they were wrestling, grabbing at each other. I saw like Dilva's whole back out cuz his shirt was like pulled up a little bit. They were just kind of wrestling. And then it wasn't very long, not a very long interaction. A couple of the dudes pick him up onto his feet, push him out into the street, and tell him to get lost basically.

And when when that occurs, did at any point in time, did you observe the defendant uh do anything? Yeah. So while the interaction with Dilva's ending, uh the defendant runs to the car, you see the car door open because the lights turn on from inside the car, and then uh he runs back into the fight. And so just so we're clear, stage 52, during this point in time, you're somewhere in this area.

Yeah. And that's between the the square uh cement block uh septic cap here and this tree that was not there at the time.

Yeah. And the car is somewhere in this area here, just in front of the mailbox, maybe like maybe a little farther back as well. Okay. Maybe. So probably around just to the lower right hand portion of 52. And you observe the defendant run to the car.

Yes. And when you observe him run to the car, what does he do? He runs back to the fight. And when he runs back into the fight, where did you observe where Tyler Dilva was at this point? Um, he he's kind of like right at the right in in the road now at this point cuz he was pushed out into the road. Was anybody fighting with Tyler Dilva at that moment?

No. Okay. And when when the defendant runs back into the fight, what if anything uh withdrawn? Uh, how would you describe the scene of the fight? Was it what kind? Was it chaotic?

Yeah. Okay. A lot of kids. A lot of kids. And when the defendant runs back into the fight, what, if anything, did you hear at that moment? My my buddy Charlie starts yells that he has a knife.

And when you heard Charlie yell that he has a knife, what, if anything, did you observe next? Um, I didn't observe like from that point it was a crowd of people and then broke out and cha like chaos people started yelling screaming and then I had seen Jimmy and he had these white shorts on they were stained completely red and I looked away and a bunch of people flooded to him to help him. stage 57. Is that the outfit you recall Jimmy wearing the night of May 14th of 2022 with the white shorts?

Yes. And when you saw Jimmy withdrawn, when the defendant came back into the fight, did you observe a knife on him at that point? Uh, I couldn't I still had no eyes. I saw once he ran back from the from the car, I lost sight of him because of the crowd. Okay. When you say there were crowd, was uh were were there people in front of you where you were standing between the tree and the uh in that that cement square in states 52?

Not many. Majority was more into the grass, which is where he was. And I like that's why I had the view I had of the car and the fight. And once he ran back towards the curb, I was he was not in my vision anymore. Do you recall where Jimmy was uh at this moment? Did you see Jimmy? Um, I I had known he was on the far side of of the interaction. Okay. And uh when you heard Charlie yell, "He's got a knife. He's got a knife." Uh you didn't observe the defendant with anything. What did you observe next after you heard that? Um, it erupted and everyone started screaming. People some people were crying, yelling, freaking out. Um, once I had noticed Jimmy, I was kind of I was shocked. I didn't I I was I was 16 years old. I I didn't know what to do. Um, and then I had noticed Charlie was freaking out because his brother Tommy had been stabbed and Charlie was like my best friend at the time. So I I had taken my hoodie off, gave it to him, was like put it on his leg. Let's stop there.

So, what did you observe first about Jimmy? You saw Jimmy first? I s I noticed the the red on his shorts. That was what I noticed. Did Did you Did you hear him say anything?

I did. I did not. Did he do anything? Did Did you see him do anything?

He fell to the ground. Okay. So, you saw red red on the shorts and he fell to the ground. When you saw that happen, what did you do next? Um, I was moving towards him and then like a couple people instantly grabbed onto him and were catering to him and and then I noticed Tommy and interacted with Charlie, gave him my hoodie. Do you recall where Tommy uh Tommy was at that moment? If you don't, it's okay.

He's like in the middle of the yard. Okay. And when you did you go up to Tommy?

I did. And what did you observe about Tommy?

That he had been stabbed in the leg. Okay. You recall uh if he had been stabbed more than once?

Yeah, I believe three or four times. And when you saw that he was stabbed, what, if anything, did you do? I had taken my hoodie off to give I gave it to Charlie first to give to and told him to give it to Tommy and wrap his leg. And when that happened, what did you do next? Um, I ran back inside to look for anything, towels, water. Um, during while I was like searching for things, uh, I believe I was with Tanner. We had noticed Hines was was sitting and I was like, "What are you what are you doing, dude?" and he said he was catching his breath and he was hunched over with his like his hand on his left side holding it and then he moved his hand and we had noticed that he was bleeding and we took him out. We were dude like come on you got to get in the ambulance you got to go and then then it kind of just all once everyone started getting treated it was all just like a blur. Where was where was Ryan stabbed? Um, he was stabbed once like right beneath his armpit. Uh, and like the lower I I don't even know what this area is, your lower side and then right above his his butt. Okay. And do you recall where Tommy was stabbed? Uh, in his thigh. Do you recall if anybody else had been stabbed that night? Uh, Faison had been caught in the arm and obviously Jimmy. Now, when you went inside to help Ryan at some point in time, did you come back outside with towels and and and I I didn't find anything, but I I just kept using my clothing. So, um did anybody uh did you or anybody call 911? Um yeah, multiple people did. How long would you say withdrawn after when you saw Jimmy fall? Did you see the defendant and Tyler Dilva do anything? The last I saw them was them run to their car and drive off and then they weren't in my mind anymore. And where did they drive? Did they drive towards Adams or towards farmhouse?

Towards Adams. Okay. And uh when 911 was called, how long would you say it was between the time um the fight this the end of the fight took place and the time that first responders arrived? Do you recall? I don't recall specifically. I I remember it taking a decent amount of time because that was a lot of people were complaining that the ambulance wasn't there fast enough. And while we were there, when you were waiting for the first responders to arrive to the scene, did you um were you doing anything at that moment? Were you rendering aid to anybody? Um, not at that point. Once once they came, they made us all back up. They took over obviously took care of everything. And at that point, I finally answered my mom because throughout the whole interaction, she was blowing up my phone from hearing the sirens all driving by. And I finally, you know, answered her, talked to her. Okay. And at some point in time, did your parents arrive at 43 Laurel Glenn? I don't recall if they picked me up or not. Okay. Uh did you at some point in time first responders arrived, police, paramedics? Do you recall whether or not you talked to any police officers that night? Uh, I believe I did. And after that night, do you recall whether or not you met with police officers again in connection to this case? I did. Okay. They may have a moment. Of course. Uh, your honor, that's all the questions I have for this. Thank you.

Yes, please. Morning, Mr. Marenzi. So, you were telling us a little bit about your relationship to some of these folks as well as what you witnessed on the 14th into the morning of the 15th, right? Um, and you were telling us that the evening began, you were getting ready over um to go out, go over to Miss uh Ridzix's house, correct? That was about 6:00, maybe a little later. Okay. Um, and and that involved some drinking as far as getting ready to go over there. Um, while we were there.

Yeah. While you were at Ridzix's house?

Yeah, the initial time. Okay. Uh, what about beforehand when you were getting ready to go over there? Did that involve any drinking?

No. Okay. Any other substance use?

No. Um, you told us that once you got to Ritzik's house, you had a drink, maybe two beers, maybe three, maybe four.

No, cuz I didn't have that many. I didn't I didn't wasn't able to get anything for that night really. So, I didn't have much. So, I was just kind of

Well, you were there with Ryan Hines, correct?

Yes. And he had a 12-pack of beer, correct? You didn't have any of those beers.

Uh, no. I don't believe he gave me any. Okay. Um, is it possible?

Uh, I don't think that's possible. Sustain. Cuz when we showed up to the lifers, he had

Hold on. Hold on just a minute. Sorry. It's okay. I'm going to sustain the objection to the question asking if it's possible as speculative. I'm going to strike the response that was provided to that question before the court had an opportunity to stop the witness from answering the question. So, please um retract or take any information responding to that question out of your notes if you have anything in there or you're not to consider it as part of the evidence. Attorney Smith, you may proceed.

Thank you, Honor. So, your recollection is that it was two beers that you had at the Ritzix house.

Mhm. Nothing else to drink there?

No. Ryan didn't share any of his beers with you?

No. And uh at some point you went over to the Lifer's house, correct?

Yes. And that was five Lazy Brook Road.

Yes. And you knew that they were having a party there, correct?

Yes. Where you expected that there would be more drinking going on, correct?

Um, potentially. Well, when you arrived there, you knew that your friend, Mr. Lifer, was drunk to the point of being ill.

Correct. Uh, I had found that out from them when I had arrived. Cuz you didn't see him because he was in the back throwing up.

Correct. Uh, I didn't see him because I wasn't allowed into the property by the defendant and his friends. Um, and you were driven to Five Lazy Book Road by a person named Tanner Chernowski.

Correct. Yes. And you described Tanner Chernowski as your cousin.

Correct. Yeah. Not by blood, but essentially we've been family friend since we were young. So he's not your blood cousin or relative, but you consider him so close as to be you call him a cousin.

Yes. Now when you got there, you mentioned that there were some kids from St. Joe's at that party.

Correct. Yeah, it was a St. Joe's party. Often often attend St. Joe's.

Yes. So most of the kids there were from St. Joe's, correct?

Yes. Uh you were not from St. Joe's?

No, I was not. Nor was Ryan Hines.

Correct? No. Nor was Janer Chinowski?

No. And there were four kids there, but you from St. Joe's that you noticed, but only three of them who you could identify.

Correct. Yeah. That was Jack Snyder.

Correct. Tyler Dilva, correct? And Raul Valley, correct? You knew them to be St. Joe's kids, right?

Yes. Um, and you said that Mr. Mr. Hines had brought a 12-pack of beer with him.

Yes. And that you began to go into the garage, correct?

Yes. Uh could you see what was going on in the garage?

Yeah, the garage doors were open and there was a party going on in the garage, right? Uh they were inside, so there was they were really the only ones in the garage. Maybe a couple other stragglers outside, but the party was in in in the house. Nothing going on that you could see inside like beer pong or any games?

No. Door was door was shut and the way it's set up, you can't see into the house. Um, and you didn't know at that time who Jack Snyder, Tyler Dilva, or Raul Valley were. Is that correct?

Um, not fully. I had known uh Snyder and Dilva just like through through football, not like personally knew them, but I've heard the name before. Okay. Um, so at that point when you saw them, you couldn't say what their names were. Is that fair to say?

Correct. And at some point, uh, you said that Jack Snyder went to grab Ryan Hines's beer.

Correct. He He did grab Ryan Hines's beer. He grabs Ryan Hines's beer. Um, and then you said the defendant didn't say anything.

Correct. Uh, not to my recollection. I don't recall what everyone was saying. And that he was peripheral to Mr. Hines and Mr. Snyder.

Correct. Yes. And at some point, Mr. Hines and Mr. Snyder squared off, right?

Yeah. as though they were going to have a fist fight or some sort of physical they agreed to fight over the beer.

Okay. When you say they agreed to fight over the beer, um were there any adults present at this point or was this just um witnessing this?

No, I I think maybe a parent or two both of them were home, but I know one his mom was home. Um, and you claimed that the first punch was thrown by the defendant.

Yes. And that he punched Ryan Hines in the face from behind.

Correct. And you said that Hines then took Snyder to the ground.

Yes. Now, you've described and you saw a photograph of Mr. Valley wearing a helmet, correct? And he was also wearing some sort of a neck pillow. Did you see that?

Um, outside. I'm not too exactly sure if he had it on still or not. It was a black pill or a dark colored pillow. It was night time. I don't recall exactly if he was wearing the neck pillow. Um, and that was Austin life for your friend. That was his father's motorcycle helmet.

Correct. I believe so. Yeah. And at some point after they began fighting, you said that Mr. Hines was getting the better of Mr. Snyder.

Correct. Um, I'd say he Yeah, he was brought to the ground. He was on top of him. And at that point, you said that the defendant tackled Ryan Hines, correct?

No, he to removed his helmet and struck him. Okay. Well, that's what you told us. Now, you gave a statement to the police officers on May 15th of 2022, correct?

Yeah. Uh you went there with your parents at about 2:00 down to the PD to give a statement.

Sounds about right. And you told them at that time that the defendant tackled Ryan and punched him, correct?

They might have taken that incorrectly because I Hines was the only person that tackled anyone. He thought or he took him to the ground. I watched him tackle him and no one else went to the ground either. So you didn't tell them that Mr. that the defendant tackled Ryan and punched him.

Um if they marked me as saying that then on paper I did, but I don't I recall Hines tackling him. And you told us here and you told them then that the defendant took off his helmet and swung it at Mr. Hines.

Correct. Yeah. He struck him with it. He took that helmet physically off of his head and swung it and struck Mr. Hines.

Yes. He hit Hines with it and then Mr. Dilva jumped in afterwards.

Correct. Uh yeah, he didn't contribute much to it, but yeah. He began punching and kicking Ryan Hines on the ground.

Correct. Yeah, that's your recollection. That's what you're certain of today.

Yeah, he wasn't very much so involved. He he was the last one to enter in and by then it was

It got broken up pretty fast, and you were prevented from helping because this fourth unknown person was holding you back, right?

I was. I wasn't, so to say, be held back because we were initially watching because they agreed to fight one-on-one, and that was agreed upon by both. They were fine with it. Um, the second they get active, like things happen, and then the girl hops in, I'm off to the side. I I don't I no clue who I was standing with, and we were talking about it, and he was like, "Don't get involved." He was telling me not to, cuz he was like, like you're you're in that like there's three of them.

There were adults at this house, you think? Um, what do you like, parents?

Yes. Uh, his mom was home.

Yeah. Um, you were aware of that?

I I wasn't until she came outside at when the fight got broken up.

But so you claimed that these two agreed to fight, Mr. Snider and Mr. Hines, and you decided you were just going to watch the thing.

Well, they they said they were running a one-on-one fight at Hines. It's not allowed to be said, but he they said they agreed upon once. You didn't make any efforts to notify any parents inside the house that this was going on out in their driveway.

I didn't know they were in the driveway or in the house. Sorry.

You say the fight lasted a short time, maybe as much as 30 to 40 seconds.

As much as 40, nothing like.

And afterwards, Mr. Lifer's mother came outside and asked you to leave, correct?

Yeah. Which we were more than fine with doing.

And she gave the beers back to Mr. Hines.

Correct. Um, uh, I didn't exactly see if she picked them up or if she handed them to him. She could have.

And at that point, you got a ride back to Ms. Ridzick's house and Talia Ridzik's house.

Correct. Yes.

Who gave you that ride?

I do not know her name. We had been walking down the driveway. We had met a group of girls, and they had witnessed what happened, and we're off like, "Do you guys mind bringing us home?" And they had no problem with it.

Do you don't recall who that was?

I have no I do not recall their names.

And you told us that you weren't doing any drinking on the way back to Miss Ritzik's house, correct?

No, I didn't have anything. Once I had gotten to Octton, I had no alcohol.

Um, you didn't have any of Mr. Hines's beers that he had just gotten back?

No, he just he lost majority of them in that yard, so he was not in the mood to be giving them out.

Um, and you immediately called your friends, Thomas and Charlie Connory, right?

Um, no, I believe Charlie called me.

And you told them about what had occurred there at the Five Lazy Brook house, right?

Yeah. and everybody on on your side and this is the Shelton High kids at this point that we're talking about, right?

Yeah. Those are your friends are mainly Shelton High kids.

Yeah. Um and you let them know about the fight that had just happened at Five Lazy Brook Road.

Yep. You were upset, right?

Um yeah, me and Hines were a little pissed off. We were like, "What the hell? That was bull."

A little pissed off. Yeah. We were we weren't, you know, fuming, acting out of rage, doing some anything stupid, but we were like that was that was stupid. Like that we were just pissed.

Okay. Um and you told us that there was a basketball group chat that some of the kids started, correct?

Uh yeah, I was in it prior. It was started because we played pickup basketball, hence the name of the group chat. And uh we have two SJ kids in there that we would we were friends with. We'd play we hoop with them. Um, and then after it all had happened, um, I don't remember who specifically, but they were all added or at least four people. I didn't have any of the numbers, so they were all just random numbers.

When you say they were all added, you mean Mr. Valley, Mr. Dilva?

I found that out after, but in the given moment, I didn't know.

Yes. But that's who was added, right?

Yes. Yes. And that's who you started texting uh about 43 Laurel Glenn Drive.

Correct. Yes. Giving them the address, correct?

Yeah. in fact taking a photo of the address and texting that.

Correct. Yeah. That wasn't just some of the kids, right? That was you.

Yeah. My my phone number is the number that sent it.

Yes. You've talked about things as having happened collectively, but when we're talking about the address being sent, that was you individually, not collectively.

I mean, if if you put it into retrospect, yeah, my finger hit the button, I think. But I was a sophomore at a senior's house. I wasn't just going to have some kids show up that I've this my first time hanging out there. I wouldn't just invite them. So, I was a I was told by people, I don't exactly remember who, but we would been talking about it, talking about what just happened. And we're like, because they started off with a come to Trumble High, so we were like, we're not going to Trumble High and said what we said.

So, you're saying somebody forced you to test?

No, nobody forced me to text in anything. No.

And then you described ultimately getting over to 43 Laurel Glenn Drive. You told us maybe 30 to 40 kids were there.

Yeah. Could it have been more?

I I don't think so. By more if like it's not touching 50. Maybe a number in the 40s possibly, but I don't think so.

And you didn't have anything to drink once you got there except maybe I think you conceded you could have had one beer.

Yeah, I could have been given one. I don't I don't remember drinking, but I'm not going to rule it out.

Was there beer at the party at 43 Lower Glenn Drive?

Not for like the taking, but people had their own supplies.

Was there liquor at the party at 43 Lower Glenn Drive?

I didn't see. He could have had a bottle at his house prior. I'm not sure.

And when you arrived there, you described it as being dark, correct?

Where? 43 Lower Glenn Drive.

Now, you're referring about outside.

Yes. Um, it's dim lit. Like, it wasn't terribly dark. We were able to see the people in front of us. Flashlights are out, too. There's the light in the driveway. It's not like you can't see.

It was misty that night.

I I don't recall it being misty.

You don't recall it being misty or rainy?

No.

You don't recall the grass being wet?

I do not.

You don't recall any sort of precipitation whatsoever.

I don't recall, but I don't rec I don't I don't recall miss specifically.

And you said you were in the house in the basement, correct?

Yeah. Um and that it was a typical high school party. Typical high school things were going on, right?

Yeah.

What were those typical high school things that were going on at that party?

listening to music. Uh people having a couple drinks together. Might have had a pong table. I'm not sure. But just people hanging out, listening to music, having a good time, hanging out.

You said might have had a pong table. What's a pong table?

A table to to play beer pong.

And what's beer pong?

Um it's when each team has 10 cups and you shoot a ping- pong ball into each other's cups and whoever makes all 10 first wins.

How was how old was the oldest person that was attending this party?

Um, could have been 19, 18 or 19. No adults present.

Uh, not to my knowledge. No.

So, you told us before that maybe some folks had some beers. They'd brought their own. Now, you're telling us that there might have been a beer pong table set up and people might have been playing beer pong.

Yeah. By beer pong, I don't specifically mean every single cup is filled with with beer cuz we've come to learn that it's a lot easier to fill them with water cuz then you could just keep playing and play the game.

Okay. So, are you telling us that this night there were people playing pong with water?

Uh, I'm not telling you specifically. I don't recall. But if 95% of the time that is the situation because it's a you get your beer all gross and you told us that at some point you became aware that these St. Joe's kids had arrived and they were outside.

Correct. How did you become aware of that?

So initially there was a text that said we're here. Someone ran outside, didn't see him, and then someone else was like, "There's a car outside." And that's when we all float outside.

And you described that car as being parked outside down towards the corner of Adams, correct?

Yeah.

And that car was on the other side of the street, correct?

Yes.

And then you told us that um you all collectively headed outside, right?

Yeah. Was that all 30 or 40 of you?

Um, few stragglers may have fallen back, but the majority made their way outside.

And who were you standing beside when you headed outside?

Um, I don't recall fully who I walked out with. We kind of just all funneled out, so we just walked outside.

Did you head outside with Tanner Chernowski?

Yeah.

Did you head outside um with Ryan Hines?

Yeah, he came out.

Did you head outside with um Michael Sampiri?

Uh if S went outside, I'm I'm specifically saying I'm with any of them. I just I some of them were outside. Yes.

Why did you go outside?

Cuz I went outside. They were in the group chat. They said they're here. Curiosity. Walk outside. Everyone else was going.

You were just curious about what was going to happen after you told them to come fight.

Confront them. Yeah. I'm going to go outside. But this was more of like me and Hines were like youngans to everyone there. We looked like like we were the little kids there. So they were kind of taking control and it was more like people they they were all known the defendants and his friends have known some of the people that were at the Rich's house.

Okay. And then when everybody gets outside, you've told us about them going up to the Honda Pilot, correct?

Mhm.

And you said that at this point they all surrounded the Honda Pilot, right?

Yeah.

And they were touching the Honda Pilot, right?

Um I I'm looking from the front. I don't know if they they eventually did, but then they began rocking it.

Yes. Again, rocking the car.

Yeah. You were shown a picture of the Honda Pilot, correct?

Uh, yes, we were. It's right there. You were shown this picture. Is that the Honda Pilot that you recall seeing?

Uh, yes it is. We got to rotate it. That looks like yourself.

Yeah. The outside. Just a moment. Mr. Marc, I'm trying to get an exhibit. I'm going to show you exhibit number 31 closeup of that Honda Pilot. You agree that's the same vehicle?

Um I Yeah. Okay.

And when that vehicle arrived and you first saw it, it didn't have that shattered windshield, did it?

Uh I'm not sure.

You're not sure?

I didn't I didn't see anyone specifically make that happen. So, I don't know if they arrived with it or left with it.

Okay. Um, how did you come out when you got to the the car when you went outside? How like where was I parallel to the car? How did you come out of the house?

Uh, through the umbilical doors out of the basement around the house.

What kind of doors?

Like the umbilical ones like the basement doors.

Okay.

And can you describe the umbilical doors for us?

It's like the ones that open like I don't know. If this is a house, they're slanted like this and they open and there's a staircase that goes into the basement.

Okay. And then you came out and you described for us how you walked down the pathway.

Yes. And and where did you go? If you want to use the exhibit behind you, you went beside the square cement. That's that's the second time when they come back. The first time initially we all come down the driveway.

Oh, you all came down the driveway. We all walked out. I don't know specifically the driveway, but we all walked out to the car.

So you remember that? You remember how you got out of the house?

Yes. You don't remember whether or not that windshield was shattered beforehand?

I wasn't paying attention to if their car was beat up or not.

You were standing right at the front by the passenger side, right?

Yeah. I wasn't like on the car. I was a few feet back. I was looking through the windshield, but I like I don't remember if there was a crack there or not.

Which side of the windshield would you say that defect is in?

The passenger side. The side you were standing closest to.

Yeah. You didn't notice whether or not it was shattered.

I wasn't looking for shattered glass in You probably can't really tell it's cracked either when it's night time. You know, it's got a light on it with a flashlight taking a picture of it, so it reflects back a little bit. I didn't recognize if there was a a crack or not.

I see. You did notice, however, that these kids were all now surrounding the car and that at some point they started to shake the car.

Yes. They started to throw things at the car.

Um I I don't know if anyone threw anything at that point. They started to pound on the car.

Um, yeah, I probably banging on the windows. Somebody reached in and punched somebody that was inside the car. I didn't see any of that.

You didn't see that?

I didn't see if anyone got punched in the car.

You were standing on the passenger side. How far away from the car itself?

Probably four to six feet back.

Could you have reached out and touched the car?

No, I didn't.

Did you reach out and touch the car? Did I touch the car?

Uh, not to my recollection?

No. Not to your recollection?

Yeah. I don't recall encountering and going up and touching the car.

Is that the kind of thing you'd forget?

What do you mean?

Like, would I forget touching the car?

Yes. Probably not. But you simply don't recall whether or not you touched the car.

I I didn't touch the car.

You didn't?

I didn't touch the car. Now you recall that that you didn't touch the car.

Yeah. These other people were all touching the car.

Yeah. They were on the sides of it. I was in the front. So, I can't do anything from the front of the car.

I see. You distanced yourself from the car essentially.

Yeah. You distanced yourself from the group.

Not from the group. I was still with people. Same people that had you feel like you had to text the address.

Um, I'm going to object as to argumentative. I I'll allow it. Sorry, but what was that?

These same people that you felt like were making you text the address.

Um, I I didn't feel like I was made to text anybody the address. Um, but sure.

So, you went outside, folks. There was uh, you described there as being a chain of cars that were there, correct?

Yeah, there was a couple cars parked on the opposite side of the road as well.

There were cars parked on both sides of the road, right?

Uh, yes, but significantly more on the other side. Significantly more cars were parked on the other side. There might have been one or two car parked near the mailbox, but there was on the other side it was lined up with at least like four to six of them.

Okay. So, the chain of cars were there. Were you standing between uh the pilot and another car?

Um they weren't too close to the other car cuz they were able to put it in drive and drive forward while turning left. So, they they were slacked back a little bit, but essentially, yeah, I was technically between two cars.

Okay. But it wasn't a close gap.

And you described that water bottles and a WD40 can were thrown out of the vehicle.

Um, yes. Or were they thrown at the vehicle?

No, the WD40 can came out which someone picked it up on the road and threw it back.

Okay. Was anything else thrown back at the vehicle?

Um, there was like a water jug tossed. Um but like I once they started driving up and down like slowly majority of us would fade into the inside a couple people trickled like stayed outside and that was really it. Like they just kept driving up and down. That was we thought it would have been done by that point.

How many times did they drive up and down?

Three, four times. Not two to three.

Um, well, including their first speed down, then they come down and back up again. So, it's at least three.

Could you see how many people were inside the vehicle?

Um, I know there was more. I didn't see specifically how many. There could have just been four of them. I don't I don't think it was full.

Now, when you were part of the group that collectively surrounded this car, you wanted them to exit the vehicle, right?

Um, at that point in time, we didn't really have a game plan or an approach. We just went and were going to talk with them, which obviously was a little bit hostile, but we didn't know what was going to happen or what would happen.

You didn't want to get payback for the Lazy Brook Road.

Sure, it was in in thoughts, but at that point in time, they're all sitting in a car. You can't do anything.

So, can't do anything except lay hands on it, start rocking it, throw things at it, smash the windshield.

Um, yeah, sure. We rocked it and threw things at it because things were thrown. Um, I like I had said before, I don't recall anyone doing anything to the windshield. Not saying it wasn't us or it was, but I didn't see any of that.

You collectively attacked the vehicle. Fair to say.

Check the characterization. I'll overrule it. Can answer it. I wouldn't say attacked. We had a a mass of people if I wouldn't I wouldn't say necessarily attacked.

No, you wouldn't.

And you also can't tell us who laid hands on the vehicle, can you?

No. There's a lot of people. Yes.

You told us who was there. Enrico Fiola was present.

Yeah.

Sal Perry was present.

Mhm.

Mike San Perry was present.

Mhm.

Alex Bernson was present.

Mhm.

Tanner was present.

Mhm. Yes. Yes.

Jacob Villa Lobos was present.

And you knew all these guys very well, correct?

Yeah. You played sports with all of them, correct? You grew up with all these kids, correct?

I did. But you can't tell us who it was that started shaking the vehicle.

It's not that I couldn't tell you who. It's that I didn't specifically look around and remember who was who. I I I know who all my friends are, obviously. Yes. But I didn't I don't know where their positions are. I don't know their experiences. I was paying attention to myself and looking at the car. I wasn't watching everyone else's doings.

Isn't it that you don't want to tell us? You don't want to tell us what your friends did that night?

Honestly, I I wish I could, but I I don't know.

Well, you can. Go ahead. Tell us.

Well, I don't know.

You don't know?

I don't know where my friends position were or where they were. No. But you knew how you came out of that house.

Yeah, cuz I walked object asked and answered at this point. I'll sustain the objection.

And you're telling us that they drove up and down the road three to four times? You've said multiple times. and that at some point they drove off down towards Farmhouse Lane, correct?

Mhm. Um, and would you agree that that is about two football fields away from where the rich house is?

Yeah, it's a good distance.

And you claim that you saw only two of your friends walk down towards Farmhouse Lane, right?

Uh, I I I just knew two specifically. There could have been more. I just I know that Ricky and Tyler had went and encountered him.

Do you know that because they told you that or because you saw that?

They were the They were the ones that actually had discussed that they were going to go down and talk to them. So once they they started going, I came back in. I don't know if anyone else trailed after them.

Did you see them go down to Farmhouse Lane?

Yeah, I saw them. I didn't like I walked inside, but I watched them head towards Leo.

Yes. Those You think only those two people were the ones that walked down there?

No, I just know that those two people. I don't know specifically who else.

And you told us you didn't hear anything go on down there.

No, I went back inside.

You went back inside. You remember that?

Yes. Who else went back inside with you?

Majority of people. Alex Bernson. Um I'm not sure. I at that time I just kind of met Burns. I wasn't really looking out for him.

Did Enrico Fiola go back inside with you?

No.

Did Sal Perry go back inside with you?

I'm not sure.

Did Mike

San Perry go back inside with you? I'm not sure.

Did Tanner Turnski go back inside with you? I'm not sure.

Did Jacob Vob Lobos go back inside with you? I'm not sure.

I I There's a lot of us. You're naming six of the 40 kids. I don't know where everyone's exact whereabouts were at every given moment. I apologize.

No apology necessary.

When you spoke with officers before though, you didn't mention anything to them about friends going down to Farmhouse Lane, did you?

Well, I was in a panic and just explained what I had actually like the the big things. It didn't go.

So, you didn't tell them about that, correct?

I I don't remember exactly what I told them. That was three years ago.

You told them that everybody went back inside and only one person remained outside to see if the St. Joe's kids were going to come back, right?

No, I didn't specifically said that. I just know that somebody I don't know how many people but majority had funneled in and someone had mentioned that they were back and that one kid just stayed outside to see if the St. Joe's kids were going to come back, right?

Yeah. Someone actually did was outside. I don't remember who it was and they were looking, but it wasn't like

Well, did one kid stay outside or did two kids go down to Farmhouse Lane? Those are two separate events. They went down and spoke to them. Then when they were down at the I don't know anything that happened in that conversation, what they saw, what they said, anything about it, but I watched them walk down the road towards them. And then at separate times, we all funneled back inside. Someone was outside still. I don't know if they were looking for them, but they were someone was still outside and then they had mentioned that they they had came back.

Who was that? It was someone just yelled like, "They're back." And everyone was like, "What?" and all funneled out the back doors like and in fact you continued texting throughout this time period, didn't you?

Um uh I think the text had died down a lot once once they had fully arrived. There was a couple texts sent.

Yeah, there were a couple of texts sent or you sent texts, Mr. Marenzi?

Uh well, multiple people sent texts. I I included.

Yes, you sent text.

Yeah, I sent text. They sent text. Multiple people sent text.

In fact, you snapped a photograph of Mr. Snider's car sitting outside and texted that with a caption on it taunting them, didn't you?

Yeah.

This was after they had shown up and driven away, correct?

No, that's as they just showed up. I took that picture first thing.

Oh, so you took that picture before you went outside?

No, I took that picture outside when they had arrived.

And you said, "Sitting ducks, od very scared, right?"

Yes.

And then you asked, "How's your car, [ __ ] Fold." That's crazy, right?

Mhm.

And that was after you'd gotten out. It's after they had driven up and down, I believe. That's after they driven up and down. Driven up. You're continuing to text them at that point, right?

Uh, I believe so.

Are you still feeling pressure to do that from other people?

I never felt any pressure in the first place to be texting them.

Oh, okay. You didn't feel pressure before when you sent the uh LGD 43 LGD address?

No, there wasn't pressure to do that. It was dudes being dudes talking. Just dudes talking. I mean, yeah, we were expecting to fight, not any of this.

You were expecting to fight once we had told them to come.

Yeah. I don't I don't think we're going to have them come and there'd be no point of having them come.

Yeah.

Did you say 43 Laurel Glenn Drive 30 to 40 dudes here?

Um I don't exactly recall but if I did then yeah.

Okay.

You didn't mention those texts however when you were talking with the police, right?

Um I I don't recall. I don't think so. I don't know that it wasn't asked. Once I was asked about them, I told them about them.

Yeah.

Oh, once you were asked about them, you told them that they existed. But before that, you didn't think that was important to share with them.

Um, not really. It was argumentative. It's a lot of just hearsay nonsense back and forth between the two of us. Yes, I told them where to go, but that doesn't invite anything that happened on that night.

Mr. Menzic, you didn't tell the cops about that because you thought it might get you in trouble, didn't you?

Um, I don't know exactly what my thoughts were when I was 16. I could have been scared. I'm not sure.

You didn't think maybe you'd get in trouble for luring somebody over and then getting into a fight. I mean, you said it yourself. I said the address with how many people. I wouldn't necessarily call that luring. They knew what they were getting themselves into.

Sir, what I said was you texted them the address, but you didn't say 30 to 40 dudes here, did you? That's what you said.

That's not what I said, sir. Is that what I had? You said I I I need to be looking at the same text you're looking at. I don't remember text I sent three years ago.

Okay. I see.

At some point you described there was a second encounter when the car came back, correct?

Yeah.

And you were inside when the car returned?

Yeah. When I had gotten outside, the car was already parked in the street.

Yeah. I'm talking about the second encounter when the car comes back as you described and the the fight occurs out on the lawn.

Okay. Yes. Like the fight fight. Yes. When we when we when we when everyone gets outside, the car is already parked and the two of them are making their way towards the yard.

How did you know that the car was already outside? It was There was a bunch of us there. They had said that the car had returned.

Did you see the car outside?

Did I see it return? Yes. Like, did I watch it come to a complete stop and return? No, I was I did not.

Where were you when the car returned?

I was inside.

You were inside the house?

Yes.

And so, you came to learn that the car had returned because somebody It was just We were all together. It was known.

Yes.

Did you just see people start to funnel outside or did you hear somebody say, "Hey, the car is here."

Both. Both of those things occurred. The car is here. We funneled outside.

And you didn't think, "Guys, we should stay inside right now. There's really no need to go outside the house if the car is back."

No, obviously not. I'm I should have. It's a more mature way to look at it.

Yeah. But I was 16 and immature and walked outside to go watch a fight.

Go watch a fight.

Yeah. Because at that point, it had no one was really involved. We were the people arguing were the people arguing now.

So, at some point, you get back outside into the yard. You see Tyler Dilva out there?

Yes.

You see Ro Valley out there.

Yes.

And you see Jack Snyder out there. Jack Snyder was driving. Jack Snyder was driving is what you told us here today, but when you spoke with the cops, you said all three of them got out of the vehicle, did you not?

Um I I don't recall if I said that back then. Like I might have misconstrued a little bit. All three of them were there, but Jack remained in the vehicle.

And you did tell the officers that all three of the parties were out of the vehicle with the doors open.

Correct.

Um I mean at one point the all doors were open on the vehicle.

You said everyone exited the house and approached the three parties on the lawn.

Correct.

Yeah. Three parties. I Yeah. Snider, Dilva, and Valley.

Correct.

Yeah. I said that in the moment. I don't I don't know why I said that honestly, but probably didn't assume two dudes would hop out and fight everyone. I thought maybe he was out of the car. I didn't see him somewhere, but then I noticed him in the car once they got in and instantly drove off.

And in fact, when you got out, you saw Tyler Rich and Tyler Dilva talking, correct?

Um, yeah, there were words.

Uh, were they fighting at that point?

No.

And, um, to your knowledge, did Mr. Dilva and Mr. the rich know each other?

Um, I I can't speak. I I want to say they did, but I'm not sure.

And you said that they began exchanging words, correct?

Yeah.

And at this point, how many people from the party, the Shelton kids, were out there in the lawn?

Majority of us? 30 to 40. Probably 30. Not all kids were outside. I know c I know kids that stayed inside.

Okay.

Who were you standing beside?

Um, what was that? Sorry.

Who were you standing beside?

Um, I was kind of near the v vicinity of Tanner. I wasn't really like up with everyone like or with anybody specifically like I was just kind of observing.

What was Tanner doing?

Uh, at the time Tanner was observing and then he pulled out his phone and eventually recorded. Tanner was filming this eventually once once the fight broke out.

Yeah. He took a video.

Was he the only person filming?

Uh, I'm not sure, but at least to my knowledge, yes.

You were standing over by where Mr. Dilva was on the ground uh being attacked, correct?

Yeah.

Well, him and Rich were wrestling on the ground.

Yes.

It wasn't just Mr. Dilva and Mr. Rich that were going at it by themselves. Was it?

Um, honestly, they were like them two were the main ones. They were on the ground with each other. It's not like no one else was with Tyler on the ground or Tyler Rich. I'm referring to like no one else was helping him on the ground.

Um, but it was mainly just them two kind of going back and forth on the ground. Just the two of them. Everybody was standing back to the side letting them go at it. I'm I'm not going to speak of for people, but or specifics or like I'm sure he caught a shot or two from somebody else, but like it was mainly like I remember seeing him on the ground. Rich had his shirt pulled up. D Silva's whole back was out. I remember seeing it like he was like he was Rich was on the ground. Dilva was on top of him, but Rich kind of had him in like a chokeold kind of thing, but like not really just like holding him down, so he couldn't like get on top of him.

And you had such a good view of that because somebody was using their phone to live stream that. And the flashlight was on, wasn't it?

Um, there was flashlights on.

Yeah.

And somebody was live streaming that whole thing, weren't they live streaming?

Yes, sir.

Uh, I don't think anybody was live streaming this.

You don't think anybody was live stream?

I have no like I have no knowledge of anyone live streaming this event.

You think somebody just pulled out their phone and turned on the flashlight and was holding it up to show the fight going on? Are you confusing a video for a live stream? Because a live stream is lively streamed and a video is not live streamed. It's a like Do you understand what I'm saying?

I appreciate the distinction, sir. I'm not confused.

So you're So you are asking about a live stream?

No. No. I don't I to my knowledge no one recorded a live stream.

No, not to your knowledge.

Yeah, I I don't know of anything I've never heard once of a live stream.

But you would agree that somebody had their phone out, it was open and at least it had the flashlight on.

Correct.

Yeah.

And that was shining on Mr. Dilva and the fight that was going on there.

Correct.

Yes.

You saw that?

Yes.

You were close to that.

Uh yeah.

You said the scene was chaotic, correct?

Uh, yeah.

Um, you've told us today that there were only two people that were in the yard that were fighting from the St. Joe's kids.

Correct.

Yes.

You told the officers there were three that it included Mr. Snyder.

Correct.

Um, there were three involved. I I could have said it like that. He wasn't literally involved in the fight, but he was their driver.

And you said Mr. Rich and Mr. Dilva began exchanging words and they soon became involved in a physical altercation.

Correct?

Yes, they eventually were involved in an altercation. Yes.

Again, how did they become involved in a physical altercation?

Well, once once it looked like to us that Lita was going to swing on our friend Tai, Rich had just thrown a f like thrown a punch onto him and then stopped worrying about him and him and Delva started fighting.

I see.

You said we thought that Leo was going to like everyone kind of saw it like at least what?

Sir, you don't know what everyone saw, do you?

No, I don't.

You're right. I'm sorry. I don't know we all saw, but I saw him make a little move towards Tai and Rich Rich punched him and then he turned towards the Silova cuz whoever was over there was just dealing with that.

You saw Mr. Valley.

Yeah, that's what started the fight and then make a movement of some sort.

Yeah, like they were squared up to each other just like like just like he was like it was he didn't make a big enough movement but he he he twitched like in the wrong way that looked like it could have been aggressive and obviously Rich is going to defend his boy.

So the first punch was thrown by a Shelton High kid. That's correct, isn't it?

Yeah.

And that punch hit Mr. Valley, didn't it?

Yes.

And thereafter it did become chaotic, didn't it?

Yeah.

In fact, everybody swarmed the 30 or 40 of you, the two people that were there in that yard.

Correct.

Um, no. There was a lot of people also watching. There wasn't like obviously we're not going to like you you saw pictures of them afterwards. They didn't get stomped on by multiple tens of people. Like it was like there was a couple kids. Yeah. on each of them. But like I I once once the once the fight broke out, I didn't see Leo anymore because it kind of the crowd and it went down. The crowd blocked it all and I was just looking at Dilova fighting Rich.

The crowd blocked it off because they were swarming. There were at least 8 to 10 people attacking both of them.

Correct.

Uh I can't say I didn't see eight to 10 people on Dilva, but I can't speak for Alo.

Did you see Mr. Villa Logos involved in the fight?

Um towards the end he actually put Dilva to his feet and shoved him towards the road with the help of a few of his other buddies.

Did you see that or did you watch a video?

No, that happened because when I was watching Dilva fight, he got lifted up and pushed out.

You saw that yourself?

Yeah, I was watching. Like I said, I was able to see the Silva in like interaction.

Okay.

Did you see Charles Connory involved in the fight?

Uh, I did not see him involved. No.

Did you see Ryan Hines involved in the fight?

Um, he was I know he was on the left side, but he was in Leo's area. They were all crowded together, so I didn't see him specifically do anything.

Didn't see Sal Perry involved in the fight.

Um, I'm not sure.

You didn't see Michael Sampiri involved in the fight?

Um, I did not see Michael at the time. No, didn't see Alex Bernson involved in the fight.

I saw Alex Bernstein.

Oh, what did you see Alex Bernson do?

He would he threw a couple punches at Dilva, but like nothing crazy like he he gave him he threw some extra ones, but while Rich was wrestling him, he gave him a few.

Was he wearing a shirt?

I I think he had it off. It's hard to tell because there were a couple of folks that took off their shirts for this, right?

Uh I'm I'm not sure. Burn's a big dude, so he stood out and I'm pretty sure he had his shirt off.

Did you see Mr. McGrath involved in the fight?

I did not. He was on the other side.

Did you see Tyler Rich involved in the fight?

Yes.

Did you see Faison Teal involved in the fight?

I did not. He was on the other side as well.

Did you see Michael Lockovich involved in the fight?

Um, I don't recall if he was involved, but he was in my general area of like Dilva.

Did you see Tommy Connory involved in the fight?

Uh, he was also on the farther side, so I'm not sure if he was in there or not.

In fact, it was hard to see what was going on the other side because that side had encircled and descended upon Mr. Valley.

Correct. He said he didn't see sustain. Did you say that you didn't see or that it was hard to see?

Um I I didn't see like once the people came in front of me. I I said I didn't see at first and followed it up by saying it was hard to see, but I meant for both. I couldn't see. People were swarming.

Yes, I didn't see, but not I didn't specifically see anyone go to the ground on him. Multiple people, so I can't speak on that. People swarmed him.

Correct. Objection. Just testified. He couldn't see. s overworld. You can answer that if you know like obviously people yes huddled around but I didn't like I saw more people standing than doing anything.

Did you remain in that same position throughout the course of this fight where you've described by the red bush and the square You did not yourself throw any punches.

No.

And you described Tanner Chernowski, your cousin, as you've described him, the closeness, filming this, correct?

Yes. He took his phone out and didn't call 911, but started filming what was going on.

Yeah.

And he was walking back and forth filming this.

Correct. No, I believe he's stationary. Maybe moves a couple feet left and right, but not really moving around the video. You can really only see Dilva. Like I said, his side's over there. But you described yourself.

Yeah. Seeing Mr. Valley go to the car.

Yeah, cuz the car was like I said, it's more in that where the area it is. They're fighting back more up. So when he runs out of his area, he's now kind of behind. Like from my view, he's he runs behind where Dilva is and you see the car door open. I watch him open the car door and then light turns on. We all kind of a couple of us put our attention over there which Tanner also noticed and then he runs back and you saw that.

Yeah, I once he runs back I I lost him again because he ran out of my view.

And you described Mr. Chinowski taking a video of this, correct?

Yes.

You've watched that video, have you not?

Um, yeah, I've been shown it.

When was the first time you saw that video?

Um, I'm not sure, honestly. I think the first time I saw it was when I was shown it.

Who showed it to you?

By the detectives, cuz Tanner didn't send that video anywhere, and he was he told everyone he deleted it the night of, but he kept it and gave it to the cops. He didn't show it to you.

No, I had not. That night, I wasn't worried about watching a video. cops showed that to you. That's your testimony?

Uh, I believe so. I don't have any prior knowledge of the video.

And you told us that you didn't see anyone get stabbed with a knife.

Correct. I didn't directly watch a knife enter somebody. No.

In fact, you didn't see a knife at any point. Is that fair to say?

Yes.

You were watching both of these fights going on, but your attention was divided. Fair to say.

Yeah. And once once it became divided, it mainly focused just onto Dilva's fight.

And you'd had at least two or three beers.

Yeah.

In the span of those four hours.

And you were 16 at the time?

Yes, I was.

And you said you told the officers that Snyder, Dilva, and Valley hopped back into the pilot and drove off towards Adams.

Uh yeah. Well, they they were all into the car and they drove off.

And you told us you'd been friends with Mr. McGrath.

Correct.

Yeah.

And that you'd known him since you were very young.

Correct.

And would you describe him as a cousin the same way you described Mr. Chernowski?

Um, no. Cuz once we went to high school, obviously he went to prep, we grew apart a little bit, but it was still always love when we saw each other.

You would describe him as somebody who was the toughest kid, you know, right?

Yeah.

On a field, he was an animal.

And that he wouldn't back down from anyone, right?

Objection. Calls for speculation. Doesn't not If that's what he said, I'll rule the question continues to be you've said. Is that correct, Attorney

Smith? I'm Thank you, Pardon. I'm sorry. Does the Does the question continue to be that you've said these things that he would describe him as that? Describe him as I'll allow it over. I'm sorry. Repeat. You would describe him as somebody who if he saw his friends being in a fight, he would go out and join it.

Correct. Um, depending on the situation. If he saw his boys winning, probably not. If he saw his boys winning, probably not. Yeah, he wouldn't just jump into a fight to fight. But if he saw someone punching his boys, he'd probably hop in.

Objection is to probably Mr. Senza, at some point you also engaged in doing an identification of folks that were there with the officers.

Correct. Yes. And you identified Mr. Valley as having been there. I'm sorry, what was the end of that? You identified Mr. Valley as having been there.

Yes. You also identified another person has been as having been involved.

Correct. Tyler Dilva. Anybody else? I'm not sure.

When you were telling the States Attorney Derso about watching this fight go on in the yard, you described Dilva as being in a wrestling match, right?

Yeah. Like they were on the ground like together, Rich and Dilva. So, I would call that grappling with each other. Just Rich and Dilva involved in a wrestling match by themselves.

Well, they they were the main two on the ground. Like, yeah, you obviously caught a couple strays. There's a plenty of people, but I don't know from who.

What do you mean by caught a couple strays? Like, they're on the ground. Someone's going to just throw a sneaky punch or throw a sneaky kick. Like just exactly like what they did to to Hines at Lazy Brook.

Well, and you described uh Mr. Lockovich as being in the area, correct?

Yeah. Bill Lobos was in the area, correct? Bernson was in the area, correct?

Correct. Yes. Yes. Sorry, you have to for the record. But they weren't just in the area, were they?

Um I mean I I know Burn was throwing some punches. Yes. But I I don't recall exactly if Flock and Villa were fully in there like that.

Would you agree that you are very clear on the facts about how you came in and out of the house and where you stood?

Yeah. Would you agree that you are less clear about who threw punches and who was involved?

I would. Yes. With the fight aspect. Would you agree that all of the Shelton High kids were friends of yours?

I mean, yeah. They all knew. They've all known each other. You don't want to see any of them get in trouble, do you?

Um, no. but they necessarily couldn't really get in any trouble at this point in time. So, I wouldn't be doing them a favor.

Okay. You continued to text even after the fight had ended.

Correct. Um, I believe I had sent some texts once because my phone was being non-stop lit up with calls and I pulled out my phone to look at them and I had noticed a text from them first. So, yeah, I responded. I do I think I remember what they were as well.

Oh, what were they? Um, the final text was it I received a text that said, "Let me know how surgery goes." And I responded out of childness. I was like, "Bro, you're look at your face. You'll probably never get a girl." Not really knowing the severity. Just throwing something. But that's why I responded cuz I read that text.

You responded to Mr. Snyder, correct?

Yes. Mr. Snyder said something about surgery, correct?

Yes. And you responded something about Look at your face.

Yeah. I didn't know whose number that was, so that's I just gave a It was a random number to me, so assumed it was maybe one of the people fighting since He's sitting like I don't know. I didn't know I wouldn't I didn't know who it was at the time.

Just a moment.

Sure. You told us when the swarm occurred on Mr. Valley, you couldn't see Mr. Valley anymore at that point.

Correct. I couldn't really point anyone out in specific. You didn't see him again until you saw the car.

Correct. And then when he came back onto the lawn again, you lost sight of him again at that point.

Correct. I had lost sight of him and the only thing that I had heard was Charlie Connory uh scream twice that he had a knife and you lost sight of him because that group swarmed him again.

Correct. Uh no, he came back into it. He had all wailed to leave and was brought himself back into it.

That's your opinion, sir?

Um I don't No, I watched him willing like no one pulled him back in from that car. He ran to the car and came straight back in.

And you couldn't see him because all of your Shelton Hive friends were blocking your view.

Correct. Um, yeah. I wasn't I wasn't the tallest 3 years ago. So, I feel your pain. You could be unable to see them because they were taller and they were also forming a circle, were they not?

Um, honestly, a circle probably would have made it easier for me to see him if they fully surrounded him because majority of the people it was like a wall, so I couldn't see him.

Could you see Mr. McGrath at that point?

Um, no, I wasn't. I didn't I didn't Maybe I saw him. I didn't notice it was Jimmy at the time. No.

Could you see Michael Serry? Sorry, what was that? Michael Could you see Michael Serry?

Um I I don't know exactly where Michael was. No.

Could you see Michael Lakovich?

He was he was around me. Yeah.

Could you see Jacob I lov?

Yeah. He he he pulled he pushed Tyler into the road. I think Lock might have helped with that too.

Could you see them at the time that you could no longer see Mr. Valley? Like once they split, was I able to see Lock and Lobos?

Um yeah. I wasn't focused on them. Like I never really took screenshots in my mind of all the people that were around and everything. I know who was there, but I don't know the specifics of who was where when and where and how.

This was a chaotic scene, right?

Yeah. You heard a lot of people screaming, right?

Yes. Um, in fact, before you heard Charlie Connory screaming about a knife, you heard other people screaming other things, right?

Um, not necessarily because Charlie's Charlie yelling he has a knife was significantly louder and it like everyone heard Charlie yelled at.

You didn't hear anything being said when Tyler Dilva was being attacked?

Uh, no. At least I don't recall. Like it was scuffling and [ __ ] talk. I don't remember exactly everything that was said.

All right. Thank you. Nothing further.

All right. I I'm assuming there's going to be some redirect. Is that correct? All right. This is a good time to take our morning recess. So, we are going to break for 15 minutes for the morning recess. We'll pick back up at 12:15. Court stands in recess.

Thank Judge Murphy deciding. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Thank you. All right. So, good afternoon. I apologize for the delay. We had some uh technical difficulties. So, we have resolved those and we are ready to proceed. I'm going to ask the witness to take the stand. Thank you. Please watch your step. Have a seat. I just want to remind you, you continue to be under the obligation of your oath. All right. And we'll bring the jury in. Thank you. All right. Ask council to please stipulate to the return of all of our jurors. All right. Thank you.

Before we begin with redirect to the jurors, I just want to apologize for the delay. We did have technical difficulties. We've resolved them. We're good. and I'm going to ask the state to come on up and conduct its redirect. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon. Um I want to direct your attention to uh your testimony on cross-examination when council asked you about um this group chat that was going on. Uh early on in the group chat uh you had mentioned on cross that there was a comment about going to Trumbull High School. Was that sent by anybody from your group?

No. Was that sent by somebody from the St. Joe's group?

Yes. Do you know who sent that?

Uh, no. It was a random number. What was your understanding of the the request to come to Trumble High School? Why why to go fight there?

Okay. And uh did anybody from your group go to Trumbull High School?

No. and the back and forth in this this group chat um you indicated it was argumentative. Do you know the subject of why there was this back and forth between you and your friends and the St. Joe's group? Was that over what had happened at Lazy Brook?

Yes. Now, when the council asked you about you went outside when the car initially drove up to the house um at the beginning and you said that you went outside because you were curious.

Yeah. What did you mean by that? Like we had no idea what's going to happen. Like we're going to go outside. We're going to see what's going on. I don't I might have been a lack of better term I used curious there but we just all had outside. I think there was people here. We knew what was going on prior.

In your mind, did you expect to fight at the house?

Um it was a thought. I didn't know if it was exactly going to happen. It could have been settled. I don't know. But some sort of interaction.

Yeah. And in your mind, uh, if there was to going to be an altercation at Tyler Rich's house, um, would it have been been a fist fight?

Yeah. Would you have, uh, brought any weapons to this fight?

No. Now, when the car pulled up, was the group chat still going on or did it die down a little bit?

It's like once we were in in person interactions, they they died down. There were still texts here and there, but it significantly died down once we were in the same vicinity.

Now, when the car took off down the street and I think your testimony was went up and down the street a few times, you indicated they threw things at you guys. You guys threw things back. Did the group chat continue at that point, do you recall?

Uh, yeah. And how did it continue?

Um, you know, there was text on both parts. Uh, let me ask you this. Did you say anything in the group chat when the car was driving back and forth or after?

Yeah, it was something along the lines of like throw throws throw stuff at our at our cars, throw stuff at us, like good one like get out of the car.

Now, when the car drove away up and down the street, um you saw it stop finally down near Farmhouse. Did you see the car leave the area for good?

Um, no. At one point, yeah, they d they took the turn on the farmhouse, but I believe they just came back up around the block. But at some point in time, some point it left later that night the car came back.

Yeah. Was there any talk about back and forth on your part about having the car come back? Come back. Let's fight or had you had that?

Um, I I don't believe so. No.

Okay. Now, when the car finally returned, you went outside to watch.

Yeah. And why did you do that? Cuz they said like they were here that like they were actually here this time. They were coming. So, we all went outside and the older guys kind of took the reigns and were like, "What's up?"

At any point in time, did did you tell them to leave prior to that final interaction on the front lawn of 43 Laurel Win?

Um, not in like a discreet upfront way, but there was definitely like a get the f out of here, like like leave like you know, just like a part of arguments like you're sitting in your car, get that get the hell out of here. Just things like that.

And when they returned on the front lawn, your expectation uh you were going to what?

See what on the front lawn potentially a fight. And in your mind, a fight uh did did a fight include the use of weapons?

No. Did any of your friends have weapons?

No. Now, council indicated on cross-examination that um you had told the police that there were three people that got out of the car that night. Can you explain what you meant by that?

Um I don't directly recall the exact question I was asked for that response. Um I just know that there was three people involved. So maybe they took me involving the three as like all three were literally involved and were in the in the fight.

But as you sit here today, um, do you know whether or not Jack Snyder was involved in the fight?

He was not involved in the fight. Uh, do you know whether or not Tyler Dilva was involved in the fight?

He was involved in the fight. Do you know whether or not the defendant was involved?

He was involved in the fight. And do you know whether or not Tyler Dilva and the defendant were the only two individuals on that front lawn from that car?

Yes. So they came back.

Yes. And based on the nature of what was said during the interaction between Tyler Rich and Tyler Dilva and the defendant and Ty Wood and and Ryan Hines, was it was the tone of that conversation, not what they said, but was the tone peaceful?

No. Now, you were asked about what you recall witnessing after the fight starts and you indicated that you saw Tyler Dilva on top of Tyler Rich.

Yeah. At a point in time in the fight and he's like his head's kind of down to the side near Tyler's Rich's head and his like back is exposed. His shirt is kind of So he's on the ground.

Yeah. T Rich Rich is on the ground and he's like Dilva's on top of him but like kind of Rich is kind of holding him down like like kind of curling him in a ball I guess on top of him.

Okay. And so if if if if I'm Tyler Dilva how is he on the ground? Like like knees are on the ground and then Rich was holding his upper body. He's on the ground. So he's on the ground like this and he's in the headlock.

Yeah. So for all intents and purposes, what you witnessed during that fight was Tyler Rich was on his back.

Yeah. Okay. And I know council asked you a little bit about what else you recall about that specific part of the fight. Um, do you recall seeing uh Alex Bernston there? And do you what do you recall about his involvement in that part of the fight?

Um, he was he was a bystander at first, but we kind of all really met him that night. He was a friend of Tanners that had came along because I don't I guess he had heard about it all but um yeah he got involved but not for terribly long. He was got in threw a couple punches and then it kind of stopped. It was not

When you say he threw a couple punches were they hard punches?

Um I couldn't judge. They were body shots. I know that.

Okay. And when you say body shots, where did do you recall where they were they landed?

Probably around like this area on either on his back. On either side.

Yeah. Okay. And um do you recall if Michael S Perry was in the area?

I I don't recall if Michael's in the area. Do you recall if Sal Perry was in the area?

Uh I don't remember seeing S. Do you recall uh Ricky or Enrico Fiola in the area?

He was in the area. Was he involved in the fight?

I didn't personally witness him do anything. Do you recall whether or not uh Jacob Lobos was involved in the fight?

Um when I noticed um Jake was there, he was when he would finally pry him apart and push Dilva out to the road. That's when I first really like realized it was Jake Villa. So Jake Villa Lobosa came over and pushed the Silva out into the road.

Yeah, he pushed him out and I like collective was just like get out of here. Done. It was a short thing. We were the fight between both of them at the same time was probably a minute long at most.

And when that happened, at what point did you see the defendant come back into the fight?

As he's sort of like as Tyler gets like shoved and he's stumbling out, he runs back in and it's kind of like as he's as Leo's re-entering, just Silva's like standing there and he's like adjusting his pants and like just adjusting his clothing that he has on. So at that moment when the defendant comes back into the fight, Dilva Silva is no longer involved.

So he's out wearing the street.

Yeah, he's standing in the road at the time.

Now, the defense council asked you about Jimmy McGrath. Um, you grew up with Jimmy?

Yeah. How well did you know him?

I knew him pretty well until we split to high school, but I still would see him. I saw him pretty often. We'd see each other every couple months.

And did you play sports with him?

I did. I played lacrosse with him when we were younger. Uh, and May 14th of 2022, was this during lacrosse season?

Um, it could have been for prep. I I think Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yes, it was.

Okay. And do you know whether or not Jimmy was actually playing at the time?

He was. And uh I think the uh the description that you gave on cross-examination is Jimmy wouldn't just hop into the fight. Like there wouldn't there'd have to be a reason like those characteristics are true about him.

Yes. That's because he's a great friend. He was a great kid and he wouldn't just jump into a fight cuz it's free pickings, if that makes sense. Like if he could just get a couple punches and no.

So in other words, what you're saying is if someone was in a fight and uh there was a it looked like it was a fair fight, he wouldn't just jump in, throw a few punches and leading.

It's sustained. So with regards to Jimmy, uh was he a violent individual?

No. How would you describe Jimmy's demeanor?

He was a funny kid. Always looking to make a joke, to cheer people up. He was very had an amazing character. Like he one of one, and I don't know many people who were like Jimmy. Um, yeah. Yeah, he knew how to fight, but he wasn't like like he was looking for a fight.

And based on your recollection of what happened that night, do you recall seeing Jimmy involved? with Tyler Dilva in a fight. Do you recall seeing Jimmy involved with the defendant in a fight?

I No, I didn't see Jimmy really at all outside. He was just in the crowd. Was he involved? He

When you say he was in the crowd, where do you where was he?

Just he was he was on the farther side where where Leo would have been.

Okay. Thank you. I have no further questions.

So, you've just told us that Mr. McGrath wouldn't join in the fight just to get in some Could could you tell us what it was that he wouldn't do?

Just just to get some free punches. Like, there's a reason he's going to fight and it's kind of always how he's been. He's fights if there's a if you if there's a reason for him to fight. So he wouldn't join in with the group and swarm and start kicking somebody that was down on the ground.

Not not while not while if you're claiming he was swarmed while witnessing that?

No. He wouldn't join if there was a swarm. He wouldn't join that swarm and start getting in some kicks.

From the way I know, Jimmy, no. Um, you told us that you didn't see Mr. Mr. McGrath with the defendant at all.

Correct. No. But you saw that Mr. McGrath was over on the edge. You said I had I knew his general area. I I never exactly witnessed him doing anything with the defendant or in his involvement in the fight.

You thought you knew where his general area was, but you couldn't actually see him.

That's correct. Right. No, I knew he was over to the left and he had walked in, but I once once things broke out, I lost track of people and I wasn't really worrying about where everybody was.

So you couldn't see where Mr. McGrath was once the fight broke out.

No, I Once the fight broke out and you couldn't see where Mr. Valley was when he stepped back onto the yard, could you?

No. Once once he came back in, I would he was out of my my view.

But your claim is that you couldn't see Mr. McGrath, you couldn't see Mr. Valley, but you could see Mr. Dilva out in the yard, out in the road, hiking up his pants.

Yeah, because they were in separate locations. They were in separate locations when Mr. Mr. the angles I had on them. Yes, I was able to see one and not the other.

Okay. Now, you've told us though that you watched a video of all this, right? The Mr. Turnowski. I

I was showed a video. Yes. And that video was shot from a different perspective than where you were standing. Correct. Pretty similar. Were you standing beside Tanner Chinowski? Not directly, but I was near him. Yeah.

Was he standing over by the uh cement square and the red bush? Yeah, he was closer to the fight. He was closer to like front row. How far away were you from Mr. Chanowski? Um, Tanner's probably in like in to at this picture to that right which would be in front of the tree and I'm like I said near the concrete in the bush. So a couple feet. It's not terrible.

And you saw that video after you gave your original statement, correct? Yeah. How many times do you think you've watched that video? Um, I think I've been shown it maybe three or four times. You've been shown it three or four times by somebody from the States attorney's office. Maybe two or three times. I remember a while back and I was updated and that's about it.

You've never watched it on your own? I never had it. No. So, you've only watched it when you've been shown it by somebody from the police department or the state's attorney's office? Yes, I believe. So, when was the last time you watched that video? Um, our our prior meeting, which I think was like two weeks ago, maybe a week and a half. Okay. Week and a half ago or so, you saw that video? Yeah.

Today, you would agree you've testified slightly differently than what you told the officers when you first spoke to them about what you witnessed. Um, yeah, maybe they wrote down some things they took a little bit differently. Sir, do you think that your recollection has in any way been affected by your viewing of that video? Um, no, cuz I was actually asked to describe what had happened before I was shown the video when I was with my when I when I was shown the video. So, they were pretty sim they've lined up.

That's your testimony then that you were able to see Mr. D Silva out in the road, but you could not see Mr. McGrath or Mr. Valley. Yeah. Once once they came once he came back in or Leo came back into involvement, I lost view of him. And you told us that Mr. Bernson showed up that night and it was the first time that many of you had met him. Um, I can't speak for all. I like I had met him like he was a new a new name to be brought around.

Okay. And he showed up because he had heard about it all. Um, he was there like before they were they as in the St. Joe's kids, but like Tanner obviously knew. So I think he was they them two together and Burn just wanted to come hang out. So he'd been recruited to come there. Um, not necessarily recruited. It's not like we needed any assistance like that or anything like that. You already had 30 or 40 people there. Yeah.

You told us you didn't go to Trumbull High, right? No. Why not? Cuz I was in Shelton and I wasn't driving to a public high school to potentially fight somebody. Want to do that on your home turf? Not even home turf. It just stupid to fight at a high school. It's surrounded in cameras. And it's also Yeah. Like I think some of them are from Trumbull. I don't know. But that's like we're not going out of our way to go to Trumbull High School.

So you didn't want to go to Trumbull High School because there were cameras there. Yeah. Like that's just reasons. Like it's it'd be stupid to go have a fight at a public location. Not because you didn't want to have a fight, right? Yeah. And more so we didn't want to go to them. We had no real desire. You had 30 or 40 people there. Why not bring them there, right? No, we wouldn't bring them there.

Nothing further. Anything else? Nothing from the state room. All right. Very good. All right. So, you can step down. Please watch your step as you exit the room. All right. So, we only have about 13 minutes before the 1:00 lunch recess. So, I'm going to go ahead and break into that lunch recess at this time. So, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we are going to be breaking for recess from now. We'll pick back evidence up at 2:00 p.m. So, please be back and prepared to come in at 2 p.m. I will remind you of the obligations of your oath. I won't go through everything right now, but again, I'll highlight some of them. Just don't speak with anyone. Avoid talking to anyone who tries to approach you. Uh, do not conduct any investigation. Stay away from anything regarding this particular matter in the media uh especially during your lunch here and try to avoid any members of the public as you are entering if in fact you exit the building for lunch. Have a great lunch and we'll see you back here for 2 o'clock. Thank you. Court stands in recess. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Hey, hey, hey. [Music] [Music] [Music] Hey, hey, hey. [Music] [Music] [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Heat. [Music] Hey, heat. Hey, heat. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] that you Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. N. Heat. Heat. The honorable Judge Murphy. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon everyone. You may be seated. Thank you. Council, are we ready to bring the jury in? Yes, your honor. Yes. Thank you, Madam Cler. Thank you. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Council, please stipulate to the return of our jurors. State will stipulate, your honor. Defense stipulates, your honor. All right. Very good. So, at this time, I will instruct the state to please call its next witness. Thank you, honor. The state would call Isabella Molnar to the stand. Thank you. Hi there. Just remain standing please. Thank you. Do you solemnly swear or solemnly and sincerely affirm as the case may be that the evidence you shall concerning this case shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help you God. Yes. Thank you. Please state your full name spelling your last name. Isabella Rose Molnar. It's M O L M A R. Please state your address. 69 Ironwood Road in Trumbull, Connecticut. You may be seated. Thank you. You may proceed. Isabella, good afternoon. Thank you, too. Can you uh just keep your voice up because you're very soft spoken. Okay. Um, Isabelle, how old are you today? I'm 20 years old. Okay. And, uh, do you go to school? Yes. Where do you go to school? I go to Lehigh University in Pennsylvania. Okay. And, uh, what are you currently studying? Marketing. Business. And I'm sorry. Sorry, I said business. Like, okay. And, uh, are you working for the summer? Yeah, I have a summer internship. And where do you work? In Ridgefield. Okay. And, uh, do you know why you're here today? Yes. And prior to today, uh, have you and I met regarding this case? Yes. And, uh, I want to Are you nervous to be here today? A little bit. Okay. So, I want to direct your attention to May 14th of 2022. How old were you back then? Um, I sorry, say the year again. May 14th of 2022. 2022. I was three years ago. So, 17. Okay. And were you in school? Uh, St. Joe's. Okay. And what year in school were you at St. Joe's? I was a junior in high school. And um are you familiar with an individual by the name of Jack Snyder? Yes. And how are you familiar with Jack Snyder? Um, we were classmates at St. Joe's. Yeah. And are you familiar with an individual by the name of Tyler Dilva? Yes. And how were you familiar with Tyler Dilva? Same thing. We were classmates. And are you familiar with an individual by the name of Raul Valley? Yeah. And how are you familiar with Raul Valley? Classmates as well. And does Raul have a nickname? Leo. Leo. And is uh the defense is uh Raul present in the courtroom today? Um. Yes. And can you please describe what he's wearing? He's wearing a black jacket and a tie. Can you please point him out for the ladies and gentlemen of the jury? Oh yeah. May the record reflect the witness has identified the defendant in this case. All right. Court will allow the record to so reflect. Now, I want to direct your attention to May 14th of 2022. Uh, were you uh invited to a party on Five Lazy Brook Road? Yes. And what what was the circumstances surrounding your you going to Five Lazy Brook Road? Um, I was invited my lacrosse team was going there and Matty Life invited us and we all hung out there and that was the initially. How many people were there initially? Um, I maybe like 15. I'm not quite sure to be honest. And this was a St. Joe's High School lacrosse party. Yeah, she just had her lacrosse team over and some of her friends. Okay. And at some point in time, uh did other people show up to the party? Yes. Who showed up to the party? Um, other people that went to our school, other friends of Maddie, um and yeah, other kids just started showing up. I don't know exactly who Okay. Was Yeah. At some point in time, did uh the defendant show up to the party? Yes. Did Jack Snyder show up to the party? Yes. Did Tyler Dilva show up to the party? Yes. Were they invited to the party? Objection, your honor. Um, hold on. Just don't answer that basis. Uh, it's going to call for hearsay um opinion and facts not in evidence if she knows. All right. Well, why don't we preface it with laying the right foundation then? And so I will go ahead and sustain the objection. Do you recall uh who was invited to the party initially? Initially it calls for the same thing. It does. I'll sustain the objection. Council, you may rephrase your question. So with regards to this party uh what was your understanding about who was attending the party? I know my lacrosse team was invited and I know that she maybe had invited some other kids from our school. Okay. But and when you say other kids, other kids meaning like who what kind what kind of kids were inviting? Um, friends, she knows my way over. Hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. I know that you don't know this. If there's an objection pending, I'm just going to ask you to wait until I make a ruling until you continue speaking. Okay? But you're okay. I just I know you've not done this before as well as far as I know. So, but just let me ask you to do that for me. Okay. Thank you so much. All right. You may continue. So again, um do you recall who initially was uh at the party? Yeah, my lacrosse team was and some of her friends from St. Joe's were there. Um, that's all I recall. Was it uh the girls lacrosse team? Girls lacrosse. Yeah. Were there any uh males at the party? Um, friends of hers. Yeah. Okay. And at some point, how many people would you say were at the party initially? Initially, um, maybe like 15 or 20, but I'm not exactly sure to be honest. And do you recall whether or not at some point in time the party got bigger? I recall it getting bigger. I don't know how soon it was or but it did get bigger. Okay. And um, what time would you say you got to the lifer's house? I'm not sure. I don't remember. And when you got there, uh, what kind of things were going on at the party? Um, we were all just gathered, all saying hi. Um, talking. There was drinking. There was. Yeah. Now, um, when you say there was drinking, what kind of drinking was going on? Um, I just know people were drinking like casually. Nothing too crazy. Okay. Do you know whether or not um people brought their own stuff or was it being provided by I'm not sure. Okay. And at some point in time, did people who were not initially uh invited to the party show up? Objection, your honor. I'm going to call for hearsay. It's going to call for opinion. I'm not asking whether somebody else evidence. Hold on. I am going to sustain the objection. Council, the evidence is not in that she knows who was invited to the party. So, I'll sustain the objection. Well, she testified, your honor, that the lacrosse team was invited to the party and some other friends, but she she again, I'm sustaining the objection. Do you recall Do you recall whether or not the other friends that were invited to the party included the the defendant? I'm sorry. Can you repeat that? The other friends that that were invited to the party, did that include the defendant? Not that I'm aware of. And did that include Jack Jack Snyder? Not that I'm aware of. And did that include Tyler Dilva? Not that I'm aware of. Now, when at some point in time, did the defendant show up to the party? Yeah. Okay. Do you recall what time that was? I'm not sure. When he got to the party, um, do you recall uh who he was with? I'm pretty sure he came with Jack and Tyler. And, uh, I'm going to show you what's been marked as states exhibit 53. You recognize states 53? Yeah. And what is stage 53? Like who are they? Yeah. Um, Leo's on the right and Jack's on the left. And do you know where this picture was taken? In her basement. In the basement of the lifers. Yes. Now, do you recall the defendant wearing a helmet that night? Uh, yes. And uh the neck pillow as well? Um, yeah. At what point um did the defendant come to the party like that? Not that I recall, but I don't remember. At some point in time uh well withdrawn when How long were you at the party uh before the defendant and his friend showed up? It's hard to remember if I'm being honest. Maybe an hour, but I'm also not sure. And at some point in time, uh did the party get too big? Uh, yeah. And uh do you have any knowledge as to whether or not people were asked to leave? Yes, people were asked to leave. Do you know in particular who was asked to leave? Um, I think she just wanted everyone out. Okay. And at some point in time uh do you recall whether or not uh two individuals uh that were not associated with uh St. Joe's High School showed up? Um, I remember I heard about it and yeah, I recall people showed up at the party. And when they showed up to the party, was there any type of altercation that you witnessed at the party? Yes. And what did you witness at the party? Um, there was a fight that broke out outside. And do you know who was involved in that fight? I know that Jack, Tyler, and Leo were involved in it and kids outside of St. Joe's. I don't know who those kids are, but And what do you remember seeing about that fight? Um, it was outside and they were just fighting. And when you saw that fight, did you do anything just prior to witnessing that fight? I started videoing the fight. I approach the witness, Sher. Yes. I'm showing you what's been marked as states exhibit 58 for identification. Do you recognize 58? Yes. And what is states 58? The video that I took. And is this video that you took from the night of May 14th of 2022 at Lazy Brook? Yes. And have you viewed this video prior to today's testimony? Yes. And does this uh USB drive contain the original video that you took from that from that bike? Yes. And does it also contain a video that has been lightened up of the same video? Yes. Has that been changed in any way other than it being lightened up? No. And does it also contain a slow motion version of the same video that's also lightened up? Yes. And aside from it being slow motion and lightened up, is it changed in any way from the original video? No. Your honor, the state would offer this as a full exhibit. Attorney Smith, no. Jackson. All right. Court will go ahead and accept the exhibit into evidence as a full exhibit. Mr. Publish the jury. Certainly. Thank you. Watch the three videos. Now, that first video, was that the original video you took of the fight that occurred at Lazy Brook Road? Yes. Is that the light version of the same video? Yes. [Music] [Music] [Music] Can you go to frame? You see the slow-mo version. Slow motion version has uh frames on the bottom. We're at frame 90 on states exhibit 58, the slow motion version. Uh, I'm going to ask you, can I have that? Can you tell me, do you know who this individual is right here to the left? Um, Tyler Tyler Dilva. Yes. Do you know who this individual is here in the center with the dark and the helmet? Are you able to see the pointing? Can't see the pointing, your honor, but I can see the video and I'm fairly clear who is pointing. Yes, that's Leo. That's Leo, the defendant. Yes. And who is this in the red uh sweatshirt here? That's Jack. And the kid in the gray green sweatshirt. Do you know who that is? Uh, no. I don't know who that is. Is that one of the Shelton kids that came? I don't know. You don't know? Okay. At some point in time, uh, did you were you, uh, asked to, um, be interviewed by the police department with regards to this case? Yes. And when you were interviewed with the police department, did you provide this video of this this fight? Yes. And outside of that, um, once this fight was over, what happened at the lifer's house? Um, after this, everyone parted ways and left. Yeah. Everyone went home. I went home. You went home? Yeah. Okay. And, uh, with regards to the drinking that was going on in the house, uh, was everybody drinking that night? Um, I'd say a good amount of people were. Yeah. Okay. And did you have anything to drink that night? Yeah. Okay. Um, how much would you say you drank that night? I don't remember. Okay. Were you drunk? Maybe a little bit. I'm not sure. Okay. I don't know. Um, but you do you remember this fight? Yes. I have no further questions on it. Thank you. Cross. Thank you, Anna. Thank you. Good afternoon, Miss Mona. Good afternoon. I'm just going to go over with you what you've testified to here. Okay. You said that initially there were about 15 to 20 people that were at the party. Correct. Yes. And those were all St. Joe's kids. Is that correct? Um, I think it was mainly St. Joe's kids. I can't confirm that it was only St. Joe's, but from my understanding it was. Do you recall seeing anybody else that you didn't recognize other than when the two kids from Shelton High arrived? Um, I remember Mattiey's boyfriend was there at the time. Um, I think it was mainly all St. Joe's kids who else were there, but that's to my understanding. Um, and you said most of the people there were drinking, right? As I remember. Yes. And all of those people that were drinking were all underage. Is that correct? I would assume so. Yes. Okay. Um, because you didn't see any adults there. Is that correct? No. And this home where you were partying, um, the party part took place downstairs in the basement. Mhm. And again, you didn't see any adults down there. Is that correct? No. And you told us that some folks were bringing alcohol with them, correct? Um, bringing alcohol. I think maybe some people I'm not sure where people had alcohol or where they got it from, but people were drinking. Did you see anybody coming down from upstairs in the home with alcohol? With alcohol? Um, I know people were using the bathroom upstairs, so some people were going upstairs and then coming back down. Did you see any adults providing alcohol? I didn't see any adults providing alcohol. And you didn't see any adults in the basement. Is that correct? At the end of the party, her mom told us to all leave, but that was it. You didn't know either of these two Shelton High kids who showed up? No, I'm not sure. And you started to record this because you thought what was going to happen. It was kind of just out of impulse, I think. Yeah. I think I just reacted. And And you shared that video with the police when you talked to them on June 1st, correct? Mhm. But between May 14th and June 1st, you didn't share that with any police officers, did you? Not the ones other than the ones I showed on June 1st, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And so you weren't recording it at that point to preserve it as evidence to show somebody? No. And you didn't know if Mr. Dilva was coming over to try and break it up or if he was part of the fight, right? No, it all just kind of happened really fast and Yeah. And at some point they sort of collapsed onto the ground on the other side of a vehicle, right? Mhm. And you couldn't see what was

Going on at that point, could you? Um, I think it looks at one point like Leo or somebody smacks someone with their fist, but I couldn't really see much other than the video.

Okay. And you saw Mr. uh, Valley was wearing a motorcycle helmet, correct?

Yes.

And you saw him in the picture there. He also had on a pillow, correct?

And they were playing some form of beer pong downstairs. Is that correct?

Um, yeah, I think so.

Okay. And there was no fighting going on in the basement. Is that fair to say?

Yeah.

None of the kids down there were fighting or making threats towards one another before the Shelton High kids showed up?

Not that I remember.

Um, and in fact, Mr. Valley, you thought wearing the neck pillow and the helmet was trying to be funny.

Objection is to Well, withdrawn. You can answer.

Thank you. Um, I don't know why. I'm not sure why he was wearing it.

Um, you told officers when they interviewed you that you thought he was trying to be funny. Correct.

Yeah, maybe.

I mean, you didn't think that he was wearing that because he was looking to get into a fight. Did you?

I'm going to object based on what she thought he thought or what he was doing. That's he's asking what she thought and she thought he was doing. She already answered about a statement she made to the police attorney, uh, Dura, so I'll allow it.

Thank you. Um, I'm sorry about why he was wearing it.

Right. You didn't think that he was doing that so that he was getting ready to go for a fight, did you?

I don't think so.

And then you said that after the fight, very quickly, um, Mrs. Leaf Leafer came out of the house and told everybody to go, right?

Yeah.

And that was the last time that you saw, um, Mr. Valley that evening?

Yes.

Thank you. Nothing further.

Nothing further from the state.

Thank you. You're all set. You can exit the witness box. Please watch your step. Thank you. Thank you.

State calls. Emily Robinson stand. Thank you. Stay there. Thank you. Please remain standing. Madam clerk, to my right's going to put you under oath. Okay. Thank you. Do you swear ornly and sincerely affirm as the case may be that the evidence you shall give concerning this case shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you God penalty of you state your full name spelling your last name Emily R O B I N S O N state your address Thank you may be seated attorneys you may proceed. Thank you. Thank you.

Hi, Emily. How are you today?

Good.

How are you?

Good, thank you. Uh, Emily, how old are you?

I am 20 years old.

And what are you currently doing?

I am testifying in a murder trial.

Yes. I guess I should be more specific. Um, currently, what are you doing?

Um, school work.

Oh, sorry.

It's okay. Um, I am attending Bentley University.

Nice.

And where is that located?

Wall.

And what is your major?

I am a marketing major.

Nice. Uh, what are you doing for the summer?

I am doing an internship in I think Berlin or somewhere somewhere in Connecticut.

Okay. A a sports management cool internship.

Um you a little nervous today?

A little bit.

It's okay. Take a deep breath.

Um okay. So um do you recall us meeting before today's date?

Yes.

Okay. And what was the purpose of that meeting?

Was to talk about the trial.

Okay. And um did I tell you to just tell us the truth and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Did I tell you what to say?

No.

Emily, um, what high school did you attend?

I went to St. Joseph's High School.

And I'm going to direct your attention to May of 2022. What year were you at St. Jose, a junior?

And did you play any uh, sports at St. Jose?

Yes, I played uh, girls soccer and girls lacrosse.

And in May of 2022, were you on the girls lacrosse team?

Yes.

And I'm going to direct your attention uh, specifically to May 14th of 2022. Do you recall that day?

Yes.

And why do you specifically recall that day?

Um there was a little get together for the girls lacrosse team.

And when you say a little get together, um do you mean a party or something more?

Yes, it was a little like a little party.

And where was that party located?

Um Lazy Brook in Shelton.

Okay. And what was at Lazy Brook and Shelton? Whose residence was that?

It was um Madigan Lifer's house. A girl on the girls lacrosse scene.

Okay. Do you recall the address by any chance?

Five Lazy Brook Road, maybe.

Okay. Um and do you recall how you got to that uh get together?

I drove.

And I'm gonna direct your attention um to Five Lazy Brook. What time did you arrive at that location?

Um I'm not too sure. Sometime around 5ish.

Okay. And when you got to the party, what was going on?

Um nothing really. It was more just like everyone was hanging out in the basement.

Approximately how many people were at this party?

Around 20ish.

At some point, as the night progressed, did the party get bigger?

Yes.

And um how large would you say it got? How many people um were you say were there later on in the night?

I can't really recall.

Okay. Um in attendance of the party, was it just St. Joe's uh lacrosse girls lacrosse players or were there other individuals there?

There was more St. Joe's kids and some other kids from Shelton.

Okay. And when you say some other kids from Shelton, how many other kids from Shelton were there?

I'm not completely sure the exact number, but I do know that there was two.

Okay. Um in addition to you said some girls lacrosse players. Um you you indicated two uh Shelton High School students. Um was there anyone else that was there that was not invited?

Yes.

Objection, your honor. Sustained. I'm going to strike the answer. Thank you. Just disregarded. It's not part of the evidence.

Um Emily, are you familiar with uh Tyler Dilva?

Yes.

Are you also familiar with an individ individual by the name of um Jack Snider?

Yes.

And what about an individual by the name of Raul Valley?

Yes.

Um how are you familiar with those individuals?

Um, I was in their grade at school. I had classes with them, but that's pretty much where it ended.

Did you hang out with their friends at group gatherings at all?

Not. Not usually. No.

Okay. If you were to see them, for instance, um, out, would you recognize them?

Yes.

Okay. Um, from those three individuals, do you recognize any of those individuals here today in court?

Yes.

Okay. Uh, who do you recognize?

Leo.

Okay. When you when you say Leo, um, does does that person go by a different name?

Yes.

And what name does that person go by?

Raul.

Okay. So, you know that person Raul as Leo as well?

Yes.

Okay. Can you please uh point him out and just describe what he's wearing?

Um a black suit with a black tie.

Let the record reflect your honor that uh the witness is identifying the defendant. The record should so reflect. Thank you.

So, Emily, as I refer to Leo or Raul, as you know him, I'm also going to refer to him as a defendant. It's the same person.

Okay. So, um Emily, at some point, um um when you were at the party, um did something occur between um the St. Joe's uh three individuals that you just indicated as well as the Shelton High School students?

Yes.

And what happened?

There was a fight.

Okay. And were you present when that fight took place?

Yes.

And when you say present, how close to the fight were you?

I was very close. I was trying to break it up.

Okay. Um, before we proceed, I am going to show you what's been marked as seas of 53. May I approach the court, your honor?

Yes.

Thank you, Emily, you have a screen in front of you here. Looking at 53, uh, do you recognize the individuals in this photograph?

Yes.

And who are those individuals?

Jack Snider in the red and Leo in the blue.

And um looking at state 53, do you remember um Leo, as you just indicated, wearing that helmet as well as the uh pillow around his neck?

Yes.

Okay. And from your recollection from that night at the party, do you recall if the defendant showed up wearing this helmet and the pillow or did he retrieve it at the party?

He got it at the party.

Do you recall whose helmet that is that he's wearing?

I do not know exactly.

Okay. And um when the fight broke out that you observed, do you recall if the defendant was wearing that helmet during the fight?

He was okay.

Now, um directing your attention back to the party that night, uh what was happening at the party? Was there drinking going on? Were there games being played? Explain.

Yes, there was drinking going on and there was some games being played like beer pong and other drinking games.

Okay. Uh what type of alcohol was being consumed if you recall?

Mostly beer and some alcoholic like seltzers.

Had you been drinking?

Yes.

How many uh alcoholic beverages had you consumed?

I don't remember.

Were you um had you been drinking to the point where you were drunk? Um not able to stand or

No, I was No.

Okay. And you'd indicate you had driven to the party that night?

Yes.

Now um did you observe uh Leo or Raul um drinking that night?

Yes.

And looking at Case 53, do you do you see the um blue liquid that the defendant is holding in his hand there? Do you recall what that is? Do you know what that is?

No.

Now, the individuals that arrived from Shelton High School, as you indicated, do you know the names of those individuals?

Um, I did not at the time, but I did later learn that it was Griffin and Ryan.

Okay. And when you say later on, did you have interactions with them?

Yes.

After the fight, um, one of my friends drove them away.

And is that when you learn their names?

Yes. Yeah. In the car.

Now, um, when, as you indicated, Ryan and Griffin arrived at Five Lazy Brook, if you can recall or if you observed, how did, uh, the defendant, Jack, and, uh, Tyler Dilva react?

Um, they did not want them there.

Okay. And how do you know that? What were they doing?

Um, without going into what they were saying, how were they, uh, observed?

Um, trying to kick them out.

Okay. Um would you say it was a bit of a hostile interaction?

Yeah.

Now, um, at some point you indicated a fight broke out. Do you recall what that fight was over?

It was over like a little case of beer.

Okay. And when you say it was over a little case of beer, explain.

Um, the um, Leo and like the others had taken it from them and wanted them to leave and Ryan wanted the beer back and then he would leave. But so that's why they they fought over the alcohol.

Okay. Were you standing there when were you observing this? you observing the beer being taken and then Ryan wanting that beer back?

Yes.

Okay. And um to your knowledge, did the boys from St. Joe's give the beer back to Ryan at that point?

No.

Okay. And because the beer was not given back, what occurred?

That's when the fight broke out.

And when you say a fight broke out, you indicated you observed the fight.

Yes.

To your recollection, explain what you observed when the fight happened.

Um I saw Leo punch Ryan from behind and then that's when everyone started fighting.

Okay. And when you see everyone um who else was fighting,

Jack, Tyler, and Leo.

Now, um obviously from stage 53, uh you can see here, um you indicated Jack is wearing the red sweatshirt. Leo was wearing the blue shirt. What was Tyler wearing that night, if you can recall?

A light blue jersey.

Now, um you had said that you had were saying certain things during the fight when it was going on.

Yes.

What were you saying?

A a a a trying to break it up.

Okay. And were you successful in breaking up the fight?

No, not really.

Um in addition to, as you said, you observed um Leo hit um someone in in in the back of the head.

Yes.

Did you observe the defendant doing anything else during that fight?

Um near the end of the fight, he headbutted um Ryan who was on the ground with the helmet on.

So when you say headbutted, um explain to the members of the jury what you mean by that.

Um he like took his head and like to the ground like he like divebombed with his head in to the into Ryan who was on the ground.

Okay. Let the record reflect ground or the witnesses um motioning her head towards the front of her body to indicate what the defendant was doing with well let the record reflect the movement of the witness and the stand as such. Thank you.

Now, Emily, from your description in it sounds like the defendant had kept the helmet on as he was Yes. using it on on Ryan. Is that accurate?

Yes.

But no, at any point did he take that helmet off when he was doing that?

No.

Okay. And did he um did you observe him headbutt Ryan once or more than once?

I only remember once.

Okay. And um well, withdrawn. May I approach the uh clerk, honor?

Yes.

Emily, I'm going to show you what to mark at day 58.

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Do you remember seeing that video?

Yes.

Okay. Do you recall who took that video?

Bella Molar. I'm sorry. Bella Molar.

Okay. Do you know Bella Molar?

Yes. We We were in the same grade.

So, she was a friend of yours.

Yes.

And um if we could just have a play the slowdown version. Um go to frame 90 please. Thank you. I'm going to show you a clip from um one of the versions of that video.

Okay. So, looking at stage 58, can you see in your screen there?

Yes.

Okay. If you can point out who was in the red uh sweatshirt there, that was Jack Snider.

Okay. And over to the left hand side of Jack there in the blue jersey, who was that?

That was Tyler.

And over to the right hand side of Jack in the greenish colored sweatshirt, who was that?

That was Ryan.

Okay. And um do you see yourself anywhere in this video at this point?

Um I'm on like the far right. I don't think you can really see me yet.

Okay, you can just back it up. Um, rewind it. Do you see yourself here?

Yeah, I'm in the white shirt.

Okay. And so towards the back side of the video?

Yes.

To not the far right, but just over from the person on the far right. If we can play that normally.

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So, Emily, um, you saw yourself walking towards the fight. Is that you?

Yes.

In states of gay, what are you doing at that point?

I'm trying to break it up, like push people away.

What did you do to break it up? What did you specifically do?

I was trying to like push like people with like my hands.

So, you had hands on people?

Yes.

Okay. Um, were you successful in getting anyone off? Anyone at all?

No.

And um how close were you to the fight when you observed the defendant headbutt Ryan?

A foot or two.

Okay. And did you recall withdrawn? Um after he headbutted, what occurred after that?

Um then the fight pretty much subsided after the fight had had ended.

Um it fair to say that the the party kind of dissipated at that point.

Yes.

Okay. Okay. And how did the party dissipate?

Um, people were just starting to like be kicked out basically.

Who kicked them out?

I think the parents, but I'm not completely sure as you were leaving the Well, withdrawn.

Did you leave the party at that point?

Yes.

Okay. And how did you um How did you leave?

I left in um a Jeep that my friend was driving.

Okay. So, you had indicated earlier you had driven to the party. Did you leave your car?

Yes.

Okay. Why did you go in the Jeep with your friends?

We were taking Brian away, Ryan and Griffin away to wherever they needed to go.

Did you have an opportunity to observe any injuries on Ryan Hines?

Yes.

Okay. And what did you observe on him?

Um his mouth was bleeding and his nose was bleeding.

And um where withdrawn um whose jeep was it that you got into?

I believe that it was my friend Izzy's.

Okay. And um where did Izzy uh go to after you left the party? After she was driving us. Yep.

Um I think we went back to my house after the night was over.

Did she drop off Ryan?

Yes.

Okay. Do you recall where she dropped them off?

I do not remember.

And was it just you, Ryan, Griffin, and Izzy in the vehicle? Were there other individuals in the

There were other people.

May I approach counsel, your honor?

Yes.

is 59.

Yes.

Okay. Thank you. Any objection? Attorney Smith. Uh, your honor, I'd like to see the foundation laid. All right. Emily, I'm showing you what's been marked as F9 for purposes only. Uh, do you recognize this uh photograph?

Yes.

Okay. What do you recognize that photograph as?

It was a picture that we took on top of the jeep.

Okay. Do you recall who took this photograph?

It was me.

It was you. And it was a selfie.

Yes.

Okay. And was this photograph taken um after the fight had broken up um and before you left the party for Izzy to drive?

This Yes. This was still on Lazy Brook Street.

Okay. Um does this picture fairly and accurately depict how you all were situated as you were leaving the party that night?

Yes.

Yes. Is there anything different in this photograph um that you can point out that was different at the time of

Not that I can see.

Attorney Smith. No objection. All right. Court will accept evidence. States 59 is full. Thank you. Emily, I'm showing you state 59 which is now full. Emily, do you recognize these individuals uh in this photograph?

Yes.

Okay. And um this individual right here, who's that?

That's me.

Okay. And the individual back here, who's this?

That's right.

Okay. And the individual back here, who's that?

That's Griffin.

Okay. And um the person who drove the Jeep, Izzy, where is she in the photograph?

The far left.

Far left. So over here. Um uh even more like near the bottom left of the picture.

Yes.

Okay. Thank you. Um, and how soon after you took this photograph did you um leave the party?

I believe right away, but I can't be sure.

Okay. Um, and other than what you testified here to to today, is there anything else that you can recall from um from that party regarding the fight that broke up at Five Lazy Brook?

No, I cannot.

Thank you. I have no further questions.

Okay. Thank you, Attorney Smith. Thank you. You're welcome.

Good afternoon. How are you, Miss Robinson?

Good.

How are you?

I'm well.

So, just want to ask you a few questions and let's start where we ended. Exhibit number 59. That turned around. There we go. Okay. You have described yourself as being in the bottom right hand corner, correct?

Yes.

And in your hand, is this one of those hard seltzers you described?

Yes.

Is that also seen in your hand when you are trying to break up the fight?

Yes.

And who is this person that is directly behind you wearing the green shirt and uh putting her tongue out?

Um Mave.

Mave. Yes. Does she go to St. Joseph?

She did that. Yes.

And you said behind uh Mave is Ryan Hines, correct?

Yes.

And who is directly to Ryan Hines's right wearing a blue hat?

Casey.

Casey. Is that also a St. Joe's or was that a St. Joe's?

Yes.

And Casey, uh, is she holding a beer?

Yes.

And behind Casey, uh, is that Griffin Marenzi?

Yes.

Did you know Griffin Marcens prior to this?

No.

Did you know Ryan Hines prior to this?

No.

And right beside Casey in a white top um with longer hair, who is that?

Katie.

And directly in front of Katie and Casey, thank you to face of some sort. Who is that?

Grace.

Grace. Also St. Joseph at that time.

And then this person directly uh beside her, you describe that as being the driver, correct?

Yes.

That's Izzy. Yes. And Izzy was also a student at St. Joe's at that time.

Yes.

Were all of those folks drinking uh during the course of the party?

Um not Izzy.

Not Izzy. Because Izzy driving.

Yes. You at least didn't see Izzy drinking. Is that fair to say?

No, she did. She was known to not drink.

Okay. So, you didn't see her drink that night?

Yes.

Um, okay. And you described the fight that broke out. Um, and you said that the defendant punched Ryan Hines from behind, correct?

Yes.

Um, you watched that video with us there of the fight that, uh, Ms. Molnar recorded and, um, did that capture the initial breakout of the fight?

Yes, that was the start of the

It didn't capture, however, Mr. Snider and Mr. Hines having a discussion about fighting for the beer, right?

Yes, it's not because there was a point where Mr. Snyder asked Ryan if he wanted to fight for

The beer, right? Yes. Okay. But we don't see that on that video. Is that fair to say?

You do not. But we do see them squaring up and then we see Mr. Hines backing up a little bit, right?

Yes. And he backs up into Mr. Valley, right?

I would say I can't I can't tell from the video.

Okay. You weren't paying attention to that when it happened, I guess.

No. What were you focused on when the fight broke out?

I was just watching it all go down.

Okay. Um, you didn't know Mr. Hines at that point?

No, I did not.

Would you say you were more focused on the St. Joe's kids that you did know or on the kids that you didn't know?

I I wasn't focused on one in particular.

Okay. Um, and you watched that video with us and and you tried to break it up and you saw yourself in that video, correct?

Yes.

You're holding on to that seltzer that you've got in the picture later.

Yes.

And the fight sort of tumbles forward, right?

Yes.

Behind a vehicle that's there.

Yes.

That wasn't the Jeep that you've described as driving away in.

No.

Who do you know whose vehicle that was?

That was my car.

That was your car that we see them go behind?

Yes.

Okay. Were you worried about your car getting damaged at all in the course of this fight?

No.

How close were they to your car? Were they bumping up against it?

I couldn't I can't remember. I don't think so.

Okay. Um, at some point you said you got actually into the fight close enough that you were touching some of these people.

Correct. Yes.

Uh, how many people were involved at that point?

I can't remember exactly like the exact amount.

Were you the only person that was trying to break it up?

I believe so.

There weren't any other people that were involved trying to break up the fight?

I can't remember.

You don't recall Mr. uh Valley taking off the helmet, correct?

You No, I do not.

Um involved in this fight, uh there were at least uh Mr. Valley, Mr. Snyder.

Yes.

Mr. Dilva, Mr. Hines.

Yes.

You yourself were involved as far as getting over there and putting hands and trying to break it up.

You think it was just the five of you?

I That's all I can really remember.

Where was Mr. Marcenic at this time?

I do not remember.

Do you know where any of these other people were that were in the jeep with you?

Uh, no, I do not remember.

Um, it was chaotic, correct?

Yes.

Uh, you were focused on trying to break up the fight. Is that fair to say?

Yes.

You've described not seeing Mr. um, Valley take off the helmet, correct?

Yes.

But you say that he headbutted Mr. Hines, correct?

Yes.

and that he divebombed him with his head.

Correct. Yes.

Um, could you see what was at Mr. uh, Valley's feet at that point?

I do not remember.

Could you tell whether or not he tripped?

No, I do not remember.

Could you see if anybody laid their hands on him and pulled him?

No, I do not remember.

You weren't focused on that, right?

No.

Whose hands? Who Who were you touching with your hands when you were trying to pull somebody apart?

I believe it was Tyler's.

Have you ever been involved in a fight before?

No.

Was it scary?

Yes.

Was it dark?

A little, but there was lights from the garage.

Was it as light as it appears in the video that's been lightened?

I do not remember.

To your recollection, which of those more accurately reflects what you recall? The lightened video or the darker video?

I would say the lightened.

The light and video is more what you recall.

When did you first learn about the video that um Miss Molnar took?

I do not remember.

Did she show it to you?

No.

Who showed it to you?

I think it was on like my like on a story on my phone.

Was on a story on your phone?

Yes.

Can you educate me a little bit? I I When you say on a story, what do you mean?

Like Snapchat, like someone posted it on their story on Snapchat.

All right, I'm going to show my age yet again. On your Snapchat, you posted a story. Can you describe for me what that is if I'm somebody who doesn't know?

Someone else had taken a video and posted it so that other people who that who they have chosen could see it.

Do you remember who that was?

I would believe it's Bella, but I can't remember.

So, Bella posted that video on her story, on her Instagram, on Snapchat. I I believe it was Bella.

Snapchat.

Okay. Snapchat. Is that the app that allows you to message, but the messages disappear?

Yes.

So, how were you able to view this on her Snapchat?

She she posted it so that other people could see it and then you you can watch it for like a certain amount of time. It's like 24 hours and then it goes away.

And how soon after the fight do you recall her posting that?

I do not recall.

Same day.

I believe so, but I don't remember.

So, you had seen this video prior to speaking with officers on May 26th?

Yes.

Did you tell them about the existence of the video?

I do not remember.

Did you tell these officers about drinking that had been going on at the party?

Yes.

Nothing further. Thank you.

One question. Emily, council just asked you on cross-examination um if you had seen anyone trip Leo. Do you recall seeing that at all?

No.

Do you recall seeing anyone push Leo?

No.

And what I mean by that is when he headbutted Ryan, um, was there anything at all other than him lowering his head and putting it on Ryan that you observed?

No.

There was no one else around.

Um, you didn't see anything else other than what you just testified to?

No, I did not.

Thank you. I have no other questions.

Attorney Smith, you've just told us that you didn't see anyone trip or push the defendant.

Correct. Yes.

You told us that night you were had your hands on Mr. Dilva.

Correct. Yes.

Was your focus on what Mr. Valley was doing at that point?

It was more on the whole fight itself.

How many times have you seen that video that we've just watched?

A handful of times. Maybe 10. I'm not sure the exact amount.

And what effect do you think watching that video 10 times has had on your recollection?

I'm not sure.

Are you able to tell what you recall from that night versus what you recall from having watched that video 10 times?

Yes.

And you can distinguish those two things here for us?

Yes.

Thank you. Anything?

You may exit the witness box.

Thank you. Please watch your step.

Is the state prepared to call its next witness?

Yes, your honor.

Say we call Tanner Trinowski to the stand.

Thank you. council. Please will you remove the two exhibits from the witness stand until we thank you. It has

So, you're going to step into the witness box and just remain standing. Madam clerk, to my right is going to put you under oath.

Okay.

Thank you. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear ornly and sincerely affirm as the case may be that the evidence shall give this case the truth but the truth I'll be your full name Tanner spell your last name C H E R N O W S K 108

Thank you.

All right, you may be seated.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Tanner. Can you do me a favor? Keep your voice up cuz you're lot you're soft spoken.

Okay.

Okay. Tanner, how old are you currently?

I'm 21 years old.

And are you currently in school?

No, I'm not.

Are you working?

Yes.

What do you What do you do?

I work at Extra Duty Solutions in Shelon.

And how long you been doing that for?

Um, since last October. over a year now.

And did you go to high school?

Yes.

Where did you go to high school?

Shelton High School.

And uh what year did you graduate?

2021.

And prior to your testimony today, did you and I meet before?

Yes.

How many times did we meet?

Um about two or three.

And uh what did we discuss?

Um just about the case and I would have to come testify.

And um I want to direct your attention to May 14th of 2022. How old were you back then?

I was 18 years old.

And were you in school at that po at that point?

Nope. I just graduated.

Do you you did you graduate the year before in 21?

Yes, the year before.

And um I want to direct your attention to uh later on that night.

Okay.

Um, can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what you were doing ear? I would rephrase it as earlier that night.

Um, so earlier that night I was at my brother's house and um, he was having a little bit of a get together and then I received the call to give Ryan and Griffin a ride to another party.

So, what time would you say you were at your brother's house?

I do not recall exactly what time, but earlier in the night.

And when you were at your brother's house, were you drinking any alcohol at that point?

Not prior.

Okay.

And at some point, you say you left to go give Ryan and Griffin a ride?

Yes.

And where did you give them a ride?

I gave them a ride to Lazy Brook, which I found out later was the life's house.

So Lazy Brook Road.

Yes.

And when you gave them a ride to Lazy Brook Road, where did you go pick them up first?

from Natalyia Ridzik's house.

Natalyia Ridzik.

Yes.

And um you brought them from Natalyia Ridzix's house to Lazy Brook.

Yes.

And when you got to Lazy Brook, what time of night would you say it was?

Um a little later in the night to relatively around 10ish o'lock.

Okay.

And when you got to Lazy Brook, uh do you recall whether or not Griffin and or Ryan had anything with them at that moment?

Um I do not. I didn't really examine them upon them getting in my car.

Okay.

And when they at some point in time you got to Lazy Brook and did they get out of the car?

Yes.

And did you park the car and get out as well?

No.

What did you do?

I once they got out of the car and shut the doors I went back to my brother's house.

And when you got back to your brother's house, what were you doing when you got back to your brother's house?

Once I got back to my brother's house, I had a couple drinks.

And what kind of drinks were you having?

I do not recall exactly, but seltzers.

How long would you say you were you were at your brother's house for?

I do not recall exactly.

Did there come a time when you were at your brother's house where you were made aware of an incident that happened at Laserbrook concerning Griffin and Ryan?

Yes.

And when you found that out, um what if anything did you do with regards to uh withdrawing? Did you try to communicate or call Griffin or Ryan?

So, I answered Ryan's call, which he informed me of an incident that happened.

Objection, your honor, here without telling us what he said.

Hold on a minute. Let me just let me just deal with the objection.

Okay, I'm just going to stop you. So, I'll sustain the objection to the extent it was hearsay. I will go ahead and everything from after yes, I received a call to what Ryan said will be stricken from the evidence. I'm instructing the jury to disregard it. you'll get a final instruction at the end of um this case during your jury charge to further explain stricken evidence and how that applies to uh your deliberations.

Okay.

So, I'll allow you to continue.

Thank you.

Yes. May the witness just be reminded to keep his voice up. It's hard to hear here with the fan.

Yes, certainly.

Okay. So, I am going to ask you the microphone does not such a great job in terms of amplifying, but if you could speak into it and just remember to try to keep your voice up and also direct your answers to the jury. Thank you so much.

Yep.

So, at some point in time when you were at your brother's house, you received a phone call from uh Ryan Hines and based on your discussions, you were made aware of an incident that happened at Lazy Brook.

Yes.

And uh when that happened, uh what if anything did you do?

I then was concerned, made sure he was okay, but I was informed that he without telling us what was said.

Can you rephrase one more time?

So, when when you had this conversation with Ryan

Mhm.

did you at some point uh leave your brother's house?

Yes.

Okay.

And did you drive from your brother's house?

No, I did not.

Why didn't you drive from your brother's house?

Because I started drinking, so I asked a friend for a ride.

And who did you ask for a ride?

Alex Bernston.

How do you know Alex Bernston?

We met through mutual friends, but we have grew close over the years.

And when Alex Bernstein picked you up, where did he take you?

To Tyler Rich's house.

And uh Let me show you states five. Already been made a full exhibit. Uh you recognize states five?

Yes.

And what is states five?

That's Tyler Rich's house.

Is this the house that um Alex Bernston brought you to on May 14th of 2022?

Yes.

Did you go there after you had the conversation with Ryan Hines on the phone?

Yes.

Why did you Why did you go there?

He informed me that's where he was going to without what he said.

Were you going there to meet anybody?

I was going there to meet Ryan Hines.

Okay.

So, you had information that Ryan was going to be at 43 Laurel Glenn and you went there to meet him?

Yes.

Why would you go there to meet him? Did you Was there Did you have any concern?

I was concerned um for him. So, I went there to check on him.

Now, when you got there, uh how many people would you say were at at uh 43 Laurel Glenn at that at that point time?

I do not recall exactly because I did not go inside.

Okay.

Now, uh are you familiar with uh me?

Certainly.

Show your states exhibit 54. You recognize states 54?

Yes.

Who is that person?

It's Faison.

Faison Teal?

Yes.

How do you know Faison Teal?

We grew up together going to the Boys and Girls Club.

Do you recall whether or not Faison Teal was at Tyler Rich's house on May 14th of 2022?

Yes.

Showing you states exhibit 55. Do you recognize 55?

Yes.

And who is that in the picture?

It's Thomas Connory.

Sorry. Tommy Connory.

Yep.

How do you know Tommy Connory?

Uh, we grew up together as well. Well, we're on the same sports teams and the same grade growing up.

Do you know whether or not Tommy Connory was at uh Tyler Rich's house on May 14th, 2026?

Yes, he was.

Showing you states 56. You recognize 56?

Yes.

And who is this picture of 56?

Ryan Hines.

And uh you just indicated Ryan Hines was at Tyler Rich's house.

Yes.

You went there to meet him.

Yes.

Finally, states 57. You recognize states 57?

Yes.

And who is that a picture of?

That's Jimmy McGrath.

And how do you know Jimmy McGrath?

We have mutual a lot of mutual friends.

And uh was he present at Tyler Rich's house that night?

Yes.

Now, you say when you got to Tyler Rich's house at that point in time, what what time do you think he got there, if you could recall?

I do not recall exactly. It was starting to get a little later in the night.

Now, uh, I'm going to ask you, are you familiar with an individual by the name of Enrico Fiola?

Yes.

Does he also go by a different name?

He goes by Ricky.

Goes by Ricky.

How do you know Ricky Fiola?

We are good friends.

And uh, do you know whether or not he was President Tyler Rich's house that night?

He was.

And are you familiar with Sal Perry?

Yes.

How are you familiar with Sal Perry?

We're friends as well.

And do you know whether or not Mr. Perry was at Tyler Rich's house that night?

Yes, he was.

And how about Mike Sampier?

Yep.

How do you know Mike Sampi?

We are friends.

And was he present at Tyler Rich's house that night?

Yes, he was.

And Alex Bernston was with you?

Yes.

And how about Charlie Connory? Do you know Charlie Connory?

Yes.

How do you know Charlie?

I grew up with his brother Tommy playing sports, so I was always around him growing up.

Do you know whether or not Charlie was uh at Tyler Rich's house that night?

Yes, he was.

How about Jacob Villa Lobos?

Yes.

How do you know Jacob Villa Lobos?

He was on the same football team as me growing up.

And do you know whether or not Jake Villa Lobos was at Tyler Rich's house that night?

Yes, he was.

And um how do you know Tyler Rich?

We're in the same friend group.

And how about Matt Lockovich? You know Matt Lockovich?

Yes.

How do you know him?

We are also in the same friend group.

And was Matt Lockovich at Tyler Rich's house that night?

Yes, he was.

Now, when you got to uh 43 L Glenn, uh tell us how long you were there for.

Just about. I would say around 20 minutes.

And when you say you were there for 20 minutes, when you were there, what were you doing?

I was outside talking to Ryan.

uh show you states 50. Can you indicate on where on states 50? Well, let me ask you, do you recognize states 50?

Yes.

What is states 50?

That's Tyler Rich's house.

And when you got to Tyler Rich's house, uh do do you know whether or not this is this is a more recent picture, right?

Yep.

Yes.

Hear that?

Do you know where you were when you first got to Tyler Rich's house? If you can point us out in this picture.

I was on the right side towards where the picture cuts off.

Okay.

So, maybe near this red bush here.

Yep.

Relatively right by the red bush.

Okay.

So, may the record reflect. I'm pointing to the red bush to the right side of this exhibit, your honor.

All right.

So, Cordal note, for the record, you're pointing to the red bush to the furthest right of the photo.

Thank you.

And when you got there that night, what time was it about?

I do not recall exactly, but it was later in the night.

And um what was the lighting conditions out when you got there?

It was relatively dark, but not pitch black outside.

Were you able to uh recognize people that you uh that you knew there?

Yes.

Um, could you see in front of you?

Yes.

Was there any light from the house being uh admitted uh in the front yard in any way?

I do not recall.

Okay.

And when you got there, who did you who did you meet when you got to Tyler Rich's house?

I met Ryan Hines along with Tyler Rich was outside. Griffin Marson was also outside.

And um did you have a conversation with them?

Yes.

Okay.

And at some point, did you ever go inside the house?

I did.

You did?

Yes.

And um how how would you enter the house when you went inside?

Through these cellar doors in the backyard.

And where are the cellar doors located? Can you can you kind of point us out for the ladies and gentlemen, the jury?

They are It's in the shadow that is made by the house, but they're not very visible in this picture.

Okay.

All right. I'm showing you states exhibit five. Can you see on states five where you would have entered the side of the house?

Yes.

Right to the side of the metal object that's sticking out above the ground.

So, right here.

Yes.

Okay.

And what is May the record reflect your honor? There is a a a clearing uh looks like there's trees but there's a clearing in front of the blue truck uh where there appears to be a uh AC unit. That's what I'm pointing to.

Yes.

Court allow the record to reflect that that's the uh area that's been indicated.

Thank you.

And what is located over here to the right of the AC unit?

There is seller doors on the floor.

Okay.

And you you would go inside the cellar doors?

Yes.

And when you went into inside the cellar doors, what kinds of things were going on inside the house?

I went right down the stairs, but I did not make it fully into the house.

Did you observe what was going on?

No, I did not.

Was anybody drinking at the party?

Not to my knowledge because I did not make it inside the house.

Were you drinking when you got to Tyler Rich's house?

No.

Okay.

So, uh, the only alcohol that you had up until this point was the couple of seltzers that you had at your brother's house.

Yes.

You know, at some point in time, you were um standing in the in the in the seller door uh stairway area.

Yes.

And um at some point in time, did you leave that area to go back outside?

Yes, I did.

And why did

You do that? I was standing at the cellar doors, and then I heard yelling that they were back, and that's when I made my way back to the front door. Sorry. Do I have—I'm—I'm sorry. Can you repeat that?

I was standing at the cellar doors, and then I heard yelling that they were back, and that's when I made my way to the front.

Now, did at some point in time a car arrive at uh Tyler Richard's house?

Yes.

Okay. And uh do you know what kind of car it was?

Uh, dark colored Honda Pilot.

Okay. And uh when the Honda Pilot arrived at Tyler Rich's house, um did you walk out and see who it was?

Yes.

Okay. Who was with you when you did that?

I do not recall exactly, but Griffin Marcenic, Ryan Hines, and Tyler Rich were next to me.

And can you tell us on this exhibit here, States exhibit 50, when the car arrived at the house, did you—where did it park?

It was stopped in the middle of the street.

Okay. In the middle of the street—where towards the—Can you tell us on this exhibit? Exhibit 50.

Yeah, relatively right in front of the mailbox, in the middle of the road.

Okay. And when—when you encountered the Pilot, uh what—how many people were outside the house at this point in time?

I do not recall exactly.

And uh was there a number of kids, number of Shelton kids, your—your friends?

Yes.

And did you all approach the car?

Yes.

And what, if anything, can you tell us happened when you guys approached the car?

We approached the car, and there was a little bit of arguing with us outside of the car and individuals inside of the car.

Did you notice anybody uh in the car that was familiar to you?

Not at the time, though.

Uh, could you tell us how many people you saw in the car?

About four or five.

Okay. And at some point in time uh during this argument—arguing back and forth—what, if anything, happened during that alter—that—that interaction?

There was arguing back and forth, and then it was what appeared to be a glass bottle thrown out of the car.

And what side of the car was it thrown?

Yes. Towards the house. So the driver's side.

So I'm going to show you—it's exhibit 30. Is this the uh the car that you—you saw that night?

Yes.

And when the car arrived on uh on Laurel Glenn, was it facing towards farmhouse or towards Adams?

When it arrived, it was facing towards farmhouse.

And you said somebody threw a bottle out—out of the car?

Yes.

Okay. And was it a glass bottle or was it a—a plastic bottle?

It was a glass bottle.

And when the bottle was thrown, did that come from the driver's side, the rear passenger side, or from the opposite side of the vehicle?

It was the driver's side.

And uh when the bottle was thrown, what, if anything, happened next between the individuals in the car and your friends?

There was arguing, and they sped off.

At some point in time, did uh—do you recall whether or not uh anybody else threw things from the car or anybody from your friends threw things at the car?

I do not recall.

When the car sped off, what did you do next?

I was walking back towards the cellar doors in the backyard because Tyler said for everybody to get back inside.

Okay. And when you uh—when you went back towards the cellar doors, did you hang out for a little bit?

Yes.

And when you were hanging out, were you drinking any alcohol?

No.

And at some point in time, uh did you—did you exit the house again?

Yes.

Why did you exit the house?

I heard yelling that they were back.

And when you heard uh—when you heard yelling that they were back, um tell the ladies and gentlemen, the jury how you exited the house and what you did.

I exited through the cellar doors in the back and I went through the clearing in between the house and the tree line, and I—once I made my way to the front yard, there were lights on. So I started a Snapchat video, and that's—there was already a fight started. I'm going to show you what's been marked—the states exhibit 52.

So once you came out of the Bilco doors, um can you show the ladies and gentlemen on 52 where you walked to when you heard uh that they were back? Stand up.

Y—I walk through a clearing through here and towards the front with my back against the dry.

So you were in this area here, this grassy area here.

Yes.

And when you made your way over—withdrawn—when you were making your way over, had a fight had already started or was there just argument?

There was already a fight started.

Okay. And when the fight started, tell ladies and gentlemen the jury what you observed.

I observed a chaotic scene and a fight in the middle of the grass, and there were flashlights around. Therefore, I started a video.

Now, the fight that you observed, can you show on states 52 where the fight was occurring?

Yes. It was right in the middle of the grass up here.

And when you walk down to the area uh between the—the—the square cement um thing there and we'll say between the mailbox and that—that's the area you were in. And—go ahead.

I was right about by the concrete slab right here.

And at some point in time, uh, the fight had already started and you indicated that you did what?

I then started a Snapchat video.

And can you explain what a Snapchat video is?

Yes. A Snapchat video is a social media app. And to start a video or take a picture, there's a little white circle at the bottom of your screen. So to take a video, you just hold down on the white button. And if your finger slips off that button, then the video will stop. Or to zoom in and out, you could go up and down. Anything you do to touch your screen will affect the video on the app. Is it poss—

Now how do you save that video?

The—there is a button in the bottom left corner to save a video.

And uh when you uh observe the fight going on in this case, uh did you video it from the beginning of the fight?

I videoed it from when I walked out of the cellar doors in the backyard and the fight already previously started.

And uh when you videoed it, um is—is the light on your phone on when you're videoing it?

I do not recall exactly.

Approach the—showing you what's been marked. The states exhibit 60 for identification. Do you recognize state 60?

Yes.

And what is state 60?

That's the Snapchat video that I took.

And prior to today's testimony, did you have an opportunity to review—view this video that you took?

Yes.

And how do you know that this is the same video that you took?

It is the same exact Snapchat video I took. And these—the initials here, whose initials are those? And I also put my initials on the uh paper that the USB is in.

And um with regards to the video, is it—does this USB contain the original video you took on May 14th of 2022?

Yes, it does.

And does it contain any other videos in connection to this case?

Yes, it does.

Does it also contain a video that is a lightened up version of the video you took?

Yes.

And outside of it being lightened up, did you have an opportunity to review that video?

Yes.

And is that video changed in any way from the original video outside of being lightened up?

No, it is not.

And does this USB also contain a video uh—uh that is slowed down with some frame numbers on it?

Yes.

And outside of it being slowed down and lightened up with frame numbers on it, is that video changed in any way from your original video outside of those things?

No, it is not.

Showing you what's been marked as states exhibit 61 for identification purposes. You recognize state 61?

Yes.

And what is state 61?

It is a screenshot from the Snapchat video that I took.

And is—does this accurately reflect a screen grab from a fra—a frame number or—or frame in time from that original video?

Yes.

Showing you states exhibit 62. Do you recognize state 62?

Yes.

And what is state 62?

It is a screenshot also from the Snapchat video that I took.

And does this screenshot differ in any way from what you—you observed in your video?

No.

Showing you states exhibit 63. Do you recognize state 63?

Yes.

And what is state 63?

A screenshot from the Snapchat video.

And again, is this different in any way from the video that you took?

No.

Showing you State 64. Do you recognize State 64?

Yes.

And what is State 64?

A screenshot from the Snapchat video I took.

Is this different in any way from the video you took?

No.

Showing you State 65. Recognize State 65.

Yes.

What is State 65?

It's also a screenshot of the Snapchat video.

And is this different in any way from what you reviewed from the video you took on May 14th of 2022?

No.

State 66. Do you recognize State 66?

Yes.

And what is state 66?

A screenshot from my Snapchat video.

And is this different from any—in any way from the video that you took on May 14th, 2022?

No.

State 67. You recognize 67?

Yes.

And what is state 67?

A screenshot from my Snapchat video.

And uh is this different in any way? Does this accurately reflect what uh the moment in time from that—from that video that you took on May 14th of 2022?

Nope. Does it reflect it? Oh, yes.

Okay. And um state 68—recognize state 68?

Yes.

And what is state 68?

A screenshot from my Snapchat video.

And again, is this an accurately—does this accurately depict a screen grab from that video?

Yes.

And finally 69. You recognize 69?

Yes.

And what is state 69?

It's also a screenshot from my Snapchat video.

And uh does this accurately reflect uh that moment in time from that video?

Yes.

Without objection, I would offer these as full exhibits.

Attorney Smith, if I may just quickly look at the—

Certainly, of course. I don't anticipate—

Okay. No objection.

All right. With no objection, court will accept an evidence states 60 through 69 as full.

Now, when you came out to uh—to—the fight that had already started and started videoing, what did you—what do you recall seeing when the fight was going on?

Once I walked outside, it was a very chaotic scene in the middle of the yard.

And do you recall seeing anybody who uh was not your friends at the fight?

Yes.

And what do you recall seeing?

I recall seeing two individuals from the car previously.

And uh do you recall what they were wearing?

One of them had on a light blue—Uh, it appeared to be a jersey.

Okay. And do you recall what the other person was wearing?

I do not.

Uh, prior to um—prior to that night, had you seen those individuals before?

No, I had not.

And were you asked to identify any of those individuals by the police department?

Yes, I was.

And uh were you able to identify any of those individuals?

I was after reviewing my video.

And who were you able to identify?

Both individuals.

Who are they? You know where they are?

It was Tyler Dilva and Raul Valley.

And is Raul Valley present in court today?

Yes.

And what is he wearing?

He's wearing a black and white suit and tie.

Can you please point him out from the jury?

Yes.

May the record reflect the witness identify the defendant in this case.

All right. So, the court is going to note for the record that the witness identified the defendant. It is 3:25. Is this a good time to break?

All right. So, the court is going to go ahead and move into our afternoon break. We will take 15 minutes. We will be back in 15 minutes. Thank you so much. Courts in recess.

All right. Murphy.

Good afternoon.

Good afternoon. You may be seated.

Thank you.

All right, we'll have the witness come back up into the witness stand. You come on up and take a seat. I am going to remind you that you do remain obligated to your oath that you took when you first entered the witness box.

Okay.

Yes, sir. Thank you. Madam clerk, please bring in the jury. Thank you. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Council, please stipulate to the return of all members of our jury.

Stipulate, your honor.

Defense stipulates, your honor.

Thank you.

All right. I'll direct the state to continue.

Thank you.

Thank you, Tanner. Before we uh took the break, um I was just about to ask you about the fight itself. What do you remember? What did you remember observing about the fight when you were recording it?

It was very chaotic, but there was a little skirmish in the midst of everything. It was really in the center of everything.

And based on you recording and what you recall about the fight, can you tell us based on your recollection—taking us through the fight—what you remember?

I do not remember too much because once I came out from the back of the house and I went towards the front, there was already a big crowd, and the fight was in the middle of the crowd, and I just started recording. It was all really a blur.

And when uh you were recording, do you recall hearing anything going on during the fight?

Yes, I recall hearing screams to get out of here and just leave.

Do you recall uh whether or not um—uh do you recall whether or not Charlie Connory said anything during the fight?

Yes. He yelled, "He has a knife. He has a knife."

And when you heard him yell, "He's got a knife. He's got a knife." What, if anything, did you do next?

I do not recall exactly. Um, he said it a few times. Therefore, it kind of registered in my head.

And when it registered in your head, were you still recording the video?

That is right when the video stopped.

I'm going to show you states exhibit 60. We're going to play uh the original video.

Yes, sir.

Let's go.

Get out of here.

Was that the original video you took?

Yes, it was.

Yes, sir. [Music]

Was that the lightened up version?

Yes, it was.

Outside of being lightened up, any difference from what you originally—

No.

Yes, sir. [Music] [Music]

I'm going to show you some stills from the video. So, I'm showing you state exhibit 61. This individual right here to the left with what appears to be pink shorts and white shirt. Do you know who that is with the phone in his hand?

Yes. That's Ricky Fiola. Enrico Fiola. Ricky.

Yes. State 62. Do you know who this individual is?

Yes, that is one of the individuals that was originally in the car and in the fight.

And do you know uh who that individual is?

Yes, that's Raul Valley, defendant.

Yes. State 63. This individual here with the green shirt and black and—black shorts with white—white trim. Do you know who that is?

Yes, that's Ryan Hines.

And this individual here with the white shirt and black shorts in front of Ryan Hines, who is that?

That is Sal Perry.

And this individual with their shirt off, with the jeans on, do you know who that is?

Yes, that's Alex Bernstein.

And this individual here with the black shirt, jeans on, and the red hat, do you know who that is?

Yes, that is Michael Samperry.

And this individual on their knees with their shirt pulled up, do you know who that is?

Yes, that is one of the individuals that was originally in the car.

Do you know the name of that individual?

Yes, Tyler Dilva.

And do you know if there's anybody in front of him on the ground?

I learned after the fact that it was Tyler Rich.

Showing you state 64. Direct your attention to this individual here in the white shirt. Do you know who this is on the right side of 64?

Yes. Charlie Connory.

And again, 65. Is that the same individual?

Yes, it is.

State 66. Do you know who this individual is with the white shirt? Appears to be tan shorts on.

Yes. That's Jacob Villa Lobos.

And this person here with the camouflage shorts with no shirt on with the shirt hanging out the back. Do you know who that is?

Yes. Matthew Lockovich.

And this individual here with the navy blue shirt and white shorts, do you know who that is?

Yes. Jimmy McGrath, state 67. Again, this individual with the white shirt hanging out the back of his pants with the camouflage, that's Matthew Lockovich.

And this individual here with the tan shorts with the white shirt appears to be pushing uh on Tyler Dilva. Do you know who that is?

Yes. Jacob Velobos.

And again, this person here on the right side of the—the uh photograph with the navy blue shirt on and the white shorts, who would that be?

Jimmy McGrath.

State 68. The individual here with the shirt pulled up with the jeans on. Can you tell us who that is?

Tyler Dilva.

And is this framed after Jacob Vilovos seen pushing him out into the street?

Yes, sir.

And the person passing him near the curb, who would that be?

That is the defendant.

And finally, states 69. Do you know who this individual is in the street with the jeans on in the jersey?

Yes. Tyler Dilva.

And this individual here with the navy blue shirt on and the white shorts. Do you know who that is?

Jimmy McGrath.

Now, when you stopped filming, um, withdrawn—after the fight ended, uh, what did you observe?

After the fight ended, I observed a chaotic scene where Jimmy was laying on the ground, and the dark colored Honda Pilot sped away.

What about Jimmy did you observe when you saw him on the ground?

He was just laying in the grass with a bunch of people around him.

And uh did you recall whether or not he had his shirt on at that moment?

I do not recall.

And did you notice anything else about any of your other friends after the fight was over?

At that moment, I did not.

What happened after the fight ended? What did you do next?

When Jimmy was laying on the ground, people—Sorry. Um, he appeared to have wounds, and everyone was yelling to go get towels. So then I made my way back through the opening in the backyard and down the cellar doors to go look for towels to assist.

And when you went to go look for towels, what, if anything, did you encounter in the basement?

In the basement, I encountered Ryan Hines slouched up against the wall with his arm across him, seeming to be heavy—heavy breathing.

And uh did you assist Ryan Hines?

Yes, I asked um why he was down there, and he was just out of breath, and then I lifted his arm up and saw a wound on his rib cage.

And what side of his—of his uh—do you recall what side?

I do not recall exactly.

And when you witnessed the wound that Ryan Hines had, what—what, if anything, did you do with regards to uh Ryan?

I told him that he had to go outside to an ambulance right away, and I proceeded to get his mom's phone number.

And did you call his mother?

Yes.

And after uh you called his mother, did you help him outside or did you help him outside first and then call his mother?

I helped him to the ambulance, and then I called his mother immediately after.

And uh after that happened, uh do you recall whether or not um you spoke to police officers?

Yes.

Where did you speak to the police officers?

In the driveway.

Okay. And um at some point in time, did you speak to police officers again after that night?

Yes, the following day.

And uh when you spoke to police officers, did you um provide the police officers with the video that we just saw?

Yes, I did.

And on May 14th of 2022, when you were coming out of the Bilco door and you were encountering the fight, did you have any weapons on you?

No, I did not.

Do you recall prior to the fight whether or not any of your friends had any weapons on them?

No, they did not.

And do you recall witnessing anybody during the fight from your friends with any weapons on them?

No, I did not.

Did you witness anybody else with any weapons on them that night?

No.

Did you see anybody actually get stabbed?

No, I did not.

Uh, to the best of your recollection, uh, what you told us here today is what you remember?

Yes.

Uh, you said you had a couple beers at your brother's house and that was it?

Yes.

Were you intoxicated to the point where you couldn't recall everything that you just testified to today? Today?

No, I was not.

They may have a moment, your honor. I have no further questions at this.

Attorney Smith.

Thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Chinowski. You and I have never met before, correct?

No, sir.

We've never discussed this case before.

No, sir.

You did however meet with the police and discuss this case. Correct.

Yes.

And sir, it's your testimony that

When you met with them on May 15th, you provided them with this video. I do not recall if it was on the 15th, but to the best of my knowledge, yes. Because you actually also met with them again on the 20th, did you not?

Yes.

Okay. Do you think maybe you provided it to them on the 20th and not on the 15th?

Yes, it may have been on the 20th.

You described for us your relationship with some of these folks and I want to talk to you a little bit about that.

Okay. Yes, sir.

You described um knowing Ryan Hines and you knew Ryan Hines from school, correct?

Um I met him through mutual friends. Um, yeah, through mutual friends and we live in the same neighborhood.

And you lived in the same neighborhood?

Yes.

And how would you describe uh the nature of that relationship? Was he your best friend? Was he acquaintance?

He was a really good friend of mine. A really good friend.

Good enough that you would give him rides to and from parties even if you weren't necessarily going there. Is that fair to say?

Yes, sir.

Um, and you didn't really describe for us your relationship with uh Griffin Marcenzik, but how do you know Griffin?

Our families have been family friends since we were very young. So, we consider each other cousins, but not by blood.

Okay.

Um, so close enough that you consider each other cousins even though you're not actually blood related?

Yes, sir.

Uh, do you have that same closeness in your relationship with Ryan Hines?

Not to the extent.

So you were closer with Griffin Marcenzic than you were necessarily with Ryan Hines. Is that fair?

Yes, sir.

And you described uh that you received a call to give a ride to Ryan and Griffin over to Five Lazy Brook.

Correct. Yes, sir.

At that point, you were at your brother's house.

Yes.

And just for the record, what's your brother's name?

Colin.

Colin. Yes.

And how old is Colin?

24, I believe. now.

Yes. Now, so 21 at the time.

Yes, he was 21 or 22. It was his stepbrother's house, but he was residing there.

Okay. His stepbrother is not your stepbrother?

No.

Okay. Are you and Colin half brothers?

Yes, same father.

Gotcha.

Um, and so you did give them a ride over to Five Lazy Brook, correct?

Yes, sir.

But you just dropped them there?

Yes, sir.

So, you didn't witness anything that occurred at Five Lazy Brook?

No, sir.

Okay. Later, however, you got um another call from Ryan Hines again, correct?

Yes, sir.

And at that point, you got Alex Bernson involved, correct?

Yes, sir.

You weren't hanging out with Alex before that call, were you?

No, sir.

So, after that call, you contacted Alex Bernson, correct?

Yes, sir.

You recruited him to come and give you a ride over to 43 Laurel Glenn, correct?

Yes, sir.

How did you know to go to 43 Laurel Glenn?

I do actually. Sorry. Ryan informed me that that was where he was going to be going and he wanted you to come there and meet up with him. I was more being a concerned friend. So, I was going to go check on him no matter where he was.

Okay.

Um, and were you going to take Alex Bernson with you no matter what?

Alex was my first call because I had a few drinks and he does not drink. So I knew that in a serious situation that if I needed him to pick me up, he would.

So if there was going to be a serious situation, you wanted Alex Bernson to be with you.

Objection is the characterization. I'll rule it. That's how it was characterized by the witness. Can you rephrase please?

Uh if there was going to be a serious situation, you wanted Alex Bernson to be with you.

Correct. No, not in not saying there was going to be a serious situation. It was a serious situation because I was made aware of something that supposedly happened to my friend. So to me, it was a serious situation to check on his well-being.

And that serious situation was you thought that there had been a fight that Mr. Hines had been involved with.

Correct. Yes, sir.

And so you got Alex Bernson, not Colin, to take you over to 43 Laura Glenn. Is that fair to say?

Yes, sir.

And you identified for us Alex Bernson in the videos that we just watched, right?

Yes, sir.

Alex Bernson's the guy with no shirt on who's standing over somebody and and throwing a few blows, right?

Yes, sir.

How much do you think Alex Bernson or do you know how had Mr. Bernson had to drink that evening?

He does not drink. Does not drink at the time. He did not drink.

And you told us that when you got there to the uh house at 43 Laurel Glenn, you had had a couple of drinks, correct?

Yes, sir.

And you described those as being seltzers, correct?

Yes, sir.

You also told the state's attorney on your direct examination that those had been beers, correct?

Yes, sir.

Did you have both that night, seltzers and beers?

No, I did not.

Which one was it, seltzer or beer?

It was seltzer.

Do you know which kind of seltzer?

I do not recall.

And you can't tell us exactly how many of those seltzers you'd had?

Not more than a few.

Yep.

What is a few?

Two to three.

You can't recall uh how long you were at your brothers, correct?

No, I cannot.

But it was enough time at least to have a few seltzers.

Yes, sir.

Was anybody else drinking with you at my brother's house?

Yes.

Yes. Who?

I do not recall. Um, my older brother's stepbrother's friends, their get together.

And at this time, you were 18, correct?

Yes, sir.

Who supplied you with those seltzers?

I do not recall. It was a get together, so I really just grabbed them.

But you don't recall who supplied you as an underage person with those seltzers?

No, sir.

And you left your brother's house and went to Tyler's rich house at at Rich's house at 43 Laurel Glenn.

Correct. Yes, sir.

You were driven there by Alex Bernson.

Correct. Yes, sir.

And along the way, you claim you didn't have anything more to drink.

Correct. No, sir.

And when you got there, you say you didn't go inside the house?

No, sir.

And when you got there, who was the first person that you saw?

I saw Ryan Hines.

Where did you see him?

In the streetard area.

What was he doing?

He was standing there um by a car just talking.

Who was he talking to?

I do not recall exactly. I remember Griffin being out there and Tyler Rich.

And so to your recollection when you arrived it was just Ryan Hines, Griffin Marcenzic, and Tyler Rich that were outside?

To my knowledge, yes.

Do you recall anybody else being there who you just didn't recognize?

Yes.

And how many people do you think were there that you saw?

I do not recall exactly, but not many.

Maybe not many people.

No. 30 people. Are you saying outside talking to Ryan that you saw that I saw outside?

Yes. Not many people. Not 30. Not at that point. No.

Did you see Ricky Fiola when you got there?

I do not recall.

Did you see Sal Perry when you got there?

I do not recall.

Did you see Michael Sier when you got there?

I do not recall.

Did you see Alex Bernson?

Yes.

Because he was with you?

Yes, sir.

Did you see Charlie Connory when you got there?

I do not recall.

Did you see Jacob Villa Lobos when you got there?

I do not recall.

You did see Tyler Rich?

Yes, sir.

Did you see Michael Lockovich when you got there?

No, sir. I do not recall.

But you do recall seeing all of those folks in the video later on, correct?

Yes, sir.

And you said you were there for about 20 minutes, correct?

Yes, sir.

Were you outside that whole time?

I was outside and I made my way to the seller doors in the back and the staircase.

Yes. So for 20 minutes you were outside and then you made your way to the seller doors at some point.

Yes, sir.

Um and while you were there you weren't having anything to drink at that point?

No, sir.

Did you see other people drinking?

I do not recall.

You say Ryan Hines was by a car in the front yard. There was a couple cars parked on the left side of the street if you're facing farmhouse and then more cars parked on the right side of the street. So cars parked on both sides of the street.

Yes, there was about not many cars on the left side towards the house. There was I would say maybe three cars, but there was more cars on the opposite side across the street.

So, three cars on the left side by the house. Even more cars on the right side.

Yes, sir.

Across the street?

Yes, sir.

How many cars, if you recall, were in the parking uh the driveway?

I do not recall exactly.

Do you recall later that there were cars in the driveway?

Yes, sir.

Do you recall a blue truck being in the driveway?

Yes, sir.

Do you recall any other cars being in the driveway?

I do not recall.

Do you recall a basketball hoop being anywhere?

Yes, sir.

Where was that located?

Right to the left side of the mailbox in the street and you told us uh that you went to the seller doors.

Had you been to this house before?

Yes, sir.

So, you knew where to go?

Yes, sir.

You were familiar with the layout of the house?

Yes, sir.

The layout of the yard?

Yes, sir.

The layout of the neighborhood itself.

Yes, sir.

That neighborhood, you would agree, is made up of a number of through streets and then a number of streets that come off of that that end in culde-sacs, right?

Um, can you rephrase, please?

Sorry. Sure. Uh, there is a number of streets that are called through streets that have they connect one street to another, right?

Yes.

Um, Adams is one of those streets.

Yes, sir.

And then there's a number of streets that are culde-sacs or they end in little circular dead ends, right?

Yes, sir.

And that's what that neighborhood is comprised of, right?

Yes, sir.

You knew that because you'd been there before.

Yes, sir.

And you were familiar enough with this house that you just walked up to the back seller doors, right?

No. When I got there, uh, there was individuals outside who I am friends with. So, I did not walk right back up to the seller doors. I was standing in the front having a conversation.

Okay.

But you didn't feel any need to tell anybody, um, I'm going to go walk to the seller doors and go downstairs now, right?

The owner of the house, Tyler Rich, was outside at the initial conversation and you didn't feel like you needed to tell him, Tyler, I'm going to go uh to the inside the house now. Is that okay?

Well, people were starting to walk back to the house. So, we he was aware that I was there and was aware that with people walking back to the house, I would be among those and that it would be okay for you to do so.

Yes, sir.

Because you'd been there before.

Yes, sir.

And you were familiar with the layout of the house.

Yes, sir.

And they were familiar with you. You didn't expect anybody to try and stop you when you went to those seller doors?

No, sir.

And you told us that you went down the seller steps um but you didn't make it to the bottom, right?

Yes, sir.

When you were standing on the seller steps, could you see into the basement?

I do not recall.

And you don't recall seeing any drinking going on?

No, I do not recall.

You didn't see any evidence of drinking anywhere along the way between the front yard to the seller steps, wherever you made it ultimately?

No, sir.

And then you told us that you came back because you heard yelling and that yelling was that they're back.

Yes, sir.

Um, to your knowledge, had the Honda Pilot been there before at that point?

It was previously there and drove away.

It was previously there and drove away sometime before you were there for 20 minutes.

No, the Honda Pilot, their first arrival was when I was already at the house.

When you arrived to the house?

Yes, sir.

Was the Honda Pilot there?

No, sir.

You're saying that before you arrived, the Honda Pilot had already been there?

No, sir.

Okay. What do you mean that it had been there before you arrived?

I misunderstood your question. The Honda pilot was not there prior to my being there.

So when you heard that they were back, what did that mean to you if the pilot had not been there before?

I misunderstood your question. So the Honda pilot had driven away down the street when I was at the seller doors. So when I heard the words they're back, I understood that the car came back down the street and was back at the house.

You didn't see the car?

No, I did not.

And you came back into the front yard?

Yes, sir.

Who else was with you?

I do not recall exactly. There was a a group of individuals walking back to the front.

A large group of individuals, right?

I do not recall exactly but there was a few people I was not paying attention to who was with me.

A few two or three like with the seltzers or more. I do not recall exactly 30 to 40. Upon watching the video after could see that there was a large group but in an instance where when I immediately walked back to the front I do not recall.

You don't recall the people that were in the house pouring out into the front yard?

I do not recall.

And you said that when the vehicle came back, it parked right in front of the mailbox, right?

Yes, sir.

Wasn't on the other side of the street. Right there by that mailbox.

Yes, sir.

And you said you walked out to see with Griffin Marenzic.

Correct. I do not recall saying I walked out with him.

Was Griffin Marenzic with you?

I do not recall who exactly was with me when I walked back to the front upon hearing their back.

Okay. Uh, you didn't tell us that you walked out with Ryan Hines.

I do not recall saying that. I do not remember who I walked out from the seller doors back to the front with.

You don't recall telling us that you walked out with Tyler Rich?

No, sir.

When you were in the front yard, you said at least Griffin Marcenzic, Ryan Hines, and Tyler Rich were out there, right?

Yes, sir.

But in fact, everyone ultimately ended up pouring out into the front yard, did they not?

I am not sure if it was everybody, but a large group eventually my there was a large group eventually on the lawn, right?

It wasn't just a few people, was it?

No, sir.

It wasn't two or three.

No, sir.

And you told us that the car stopped in the middle of the road, right in front of the mailbox, and that the Shelton High kids all approached the car.

Correct. This is prior to the car driving away you're asking. Let's focus on what you've told us. You said that you came back out

Mhm. the car is parked there by the mailbox, right?

Once I came back out of the seller doors after I heard yelling that they are back. Yes.

Okay. That's what we're talking about right now.

Okay. At that point, everybody poured out of the house.

Correct. I do not recall.

Okay. Do you recall telling us that the Shelton High School kids all approached the car and that there was arguing back and forth?

That was prior.

Yes, sir.

Prior to what?

Approaching of the car was when I was still outside having a conversation. Prior to me ever making it to the back of the house.

When you got there initially, you told us you did not see the Honda Pilot.

No, sir.

Correct. Yes, sir.

You were there outside for 20 minutes or so, correct?

Yes, sir.

You went down to the seller door, correct?

No, sir. The car pulled up upon me being outside before I

You went to the cellar door?

Yes, sir.

Okay. Would you agree that that's different than what you told us on direct?

I misunderstood what you said, but yes, sir.

When the car pulls up after you've come back from the seller doors, you go back into the front yard and at that point the car is by the mailbox.

Can you rephrase again?

Sorry. What part of it do you not understand? So I know what to rephrase.

It's argumentative. It It's not argumentative. He's asking a question. Why don't you just rephrase the question, Attorney Smith?

Let's go from the seller doors.

Okay. You're at the seller doors. You hear something. You go back to the front yard. Do you recall that?

Yes.

When you go back to the front yard, that's when you see the Honda Pilot that you've described being by the mailbox.

Correct. Yes, sir.

And at that point, Shelton High School kids all approached the car and there was arguing back and forth.

Correct. Yes, sir.

Now, you thought that there were four to five kids in that car, correct?

Yes, sir.

And you thought that the occupants of that car included Mr. Dilva, correct?

Yes, sir.

Mr. Snyder.

Correct. I learned his name after, but yes, sir.

Mr. Valley.

Correct. Yes, sir.

And another person named Anthony Greco.

Correct. Yes, sir.

Anthony Greco wasn't there that night, was he?

No, sir.

But you thought he was in that car?

Yes, sir.

You told that to officers?

Yes, sir.

And once these kids go over and there's arguing back and forth as you described it, where were you at that point?

When the car first got there and what I described as the arguing, I was at the driver's side rear door.

Driver's side rear door.

Yes, sir.

How close were you to the car?

I do not recall exactly.

Not far.

About an arm's length.

Arms length away. You could reach out and touch it.

I do not recall exactly, but I was close enough to have a conversation without raising my voice.

Going to show you what's been marked as exhibit 30. Is that the Honda Pilot that you saw that night?

Yes, sir.

Do you see a defect in the windshield on the passenger side?

Yes, sir. I do.

Do you recall that being there the first time that you saw that vehicle that evening?

I do not recall.

And you said that a glass bottle was thrown out of the car towards the house.

Correct. Yes, sir.

That glass came from the driver's side.

Correct. Yes, sir.

Where you were standing by the driver's side rear door an arms length away.

Correct. Yes, sir.

There was some arguing and then they sped off, you told us.

Yes, sir.

You didn't see anybody touching that vehicle?

I do not recall exactly.

You didn't see anybody rocking that vehicle?

I do not recall.

You didn't see all the Shelton High kids surrounding that vehicle?

I do not recall because I was at the driver's side. I was just talking.

So, if the other kids were all surrounding that vehicle, you couldn't see that from where you were standing by the driver's side.

I was not really paying attention to everybody else.

What were you paying attention to?

I was paying attention into the car and trying to listen to the arguing and what was being said.

You were paying attention into the car and you thought you saw Anthony Greco in there.

I did not know who Anthony Greco was. That was a I gained that knowledge upon after you gained the knowledge that Anthony Greco was in the car afterwards. So I one second. Sorry. I did not know who Anthony Greco was, but upon having a conversation with my friends after, I thought that it was Anthony Greco that was also there, but I did not have any prior knowledge who he was.

So afterwards, before you talked to the cops, you talked to some folks and you decided that Anthony Greco was in that car and that's what you told the officers.

Could you rephrase one more time?

Sorry.

Afterwards, you talked to some folks. You decided based upon that that Anthony Greco was in the car and you told the cops that Anthony Greco was in that car.

Correct. I do not recall exactly what I said with it being 3 years ago. But if that was in the statement and now you're telling us Anthony Greco wasn't in that car.

No sir, but that's what your friends told you.

I do not recall exactly, but it was conversation after.

And that's what you told the cops when you talked to them on the 15th.

Correct. I do not recall exactly, but if that's in the statement, yes.

You didn't see anybody touching the vehicle?

I do not recall exactly.

You didn't see anybody rocking the vehicle?

I do not recall.

You didn't see anybody surrounding the vehicle?

There was individuals outside, but I do not recall any surrounding.

And you recall the vehicle being right there by that mailbox at the initial them pulling up. It was in the middle of the street which I signified earlier. And what we're talking about now when you're standing there and there's arguing going back and forth that vehicle is by that mailbox. When there was arguing in the very beginning it was in the middle of the street. The mailbox was after when people

Were yelling they're back. So yes. Okay.

After this arguing was going on, they sped off. Correct. Yes, sir. And they went down the street towards Farmhouse Lane. Yes, sir. And you went back towards the seller doors? Yes, sir.

You didn't see anybody go down towards Farmhouse Lane from the Shelton High kids, did you? I do not recall. You didn't hear anybody go down there towards the Shelton from the Shelton High kids to go down towards farmhouse lane, did you? I do not recall.

But you do recall that you went back down towards the seller doors and hung out for a bit, right? Yes, sir. Did you go downstairs into the cellar this time? I did not make it into the basement fully. No. Where did you do this hanging out for a bit? I was right at the seller doors and on the stairs. Why didn't you go down into the cellar? I do not recall exactly. Were there other people there by the seller doors with you? I do not recall. But were you standing there by yourself? I do not recall.

And at some point you said that some of the occupants of the Honda Pilot were throwing beer bottles outside. Correct? Yes, sir. But you never saw anybody from the Shelton High kids throw anything at that pilot, did you? No, sir. I do not recall. Didn't see anybody punch anybody in the Honda Pilot? I do not recall. Did you see anything going on in the front passenger or the front driver's side of the Honda Pilot? I do not recall exactly, but you do recall that you heard a loud scream from outside and that's when you went back towards the front. Right. I heard yelling that they're back and that's when I went back. And you heard yelling that they're back again. This is the second time that you've heard this. No, that was only one instance. So now this is when you're hearing the yelling that they're back. Yes.

Not the first time that you described to us where you had come in, you had gone, you were going down to the seller doors, and then you came back the first time. I only made it to the seller doors one time. Okay. You didn't tell us before that you made it to the seller doors, you came back. That's when we had this whole discussion about the things going on there by the front mailbox. And then after they left, you went back to the seller door a second time. I made it back to the seller doors one time and that was when the car had driven away. I walked back to the front yard once I heard their back. Okay. And when you got there this second time, you said you started a Snapchat video, right? Yes, sir. And we watched that Snapchat video, correct? Yes, sir. And you described a chaotic scene with a fight in the middle of the grass, right? Yes, sir.

In fact, there were really two fights going on, right? Yes, sir. Right. There was the fight that's over here with Tyler Dilva. That's one fight. You'd agree? Yes, sir. And then there was a second fight that was going on with Mr. Valley. Correct. I do not recall seeing that fight by the time I made it to the front. Did you see that fight occur in the video that you watched a few times here? I do not recall. You don't recall that at all? No. And you were standing over by this concrete square, correct? Yes, sir. Um, in fact, you were moving around to some extent, were you not? Yes, sir. And you told us that you heard screaming. Um, correct. Um, I do not recall. You don't recall whether or not you told us that you'd heard screaming? The only screaming that I recall hearing is that they're back. That's all you recall hearing is their back. Yes. You just watched the video, right? Yes, sir. And you heard somebody say yes sir. Right. Yes, sir. Was that you? Yes, sir. So, it wasn't just that people were screaming that you heard. You were screaming yes sir. Yes, sir. What did that mean? Yes, sir. I do not recall exactly. It was in the heat of the moment. Well, what were you watching when you said yes, sir? I was watching an altercation on the grass. You were watching Alex Bernson, shirtless, throwing blows at Tyler Dilva while he was on the ground with his shirt pulled up over his head, hockey style, right? Upon watching the video, I saw that. Yes, sir. So that yes sir was celebratory. Would you agree? I would not say celebratory. No. You weren't answering a question, were you? Excuse rephrase, please. Nobody had said to you, "Are you having a good time this evening, Mr. Chernowski?" Did they? No, sir. You weren't answering a question, were you? No, sir. You were celebrating. You were saying, "Yes, sir." I do not recall celebrating, but yes, those were my words. Okay. Did you also hear somebody say, "Get some, nigger?" I upon watching a video. Yes, sir. Was that you as well? No, sir. Are you sure? Yes, sir. How are you sure? Um, that is not my voice. That was another individual. Whose voice was it? I do not recall exactly. Was that also just the heat of the moment? It was not me. So, I'm not too sure. Didn't bother you though, did it? No, it did not.

Now, you told us that you heard screaming, "Out of here, just leave." But you didn't tell us about the Yes, sir. and you didn't tell us about the racial epet until right now, right? I No, sir. And in fact, you didn't tell officers about this video until the third time that you spoken to him. Correct. Uh, I do not recall exactly which time. You identified for us in states exhibit 61, Ricky Fiola, right? Yes, sir. He had a phone in his hand as well, didn't he? Yes, sir. And he had the flashlight on at least, correct? Yes, sir. And he was also live streaming this, wasn't he? I do not recall if he was live streaming. I just recall seeing a light. You weren't filming that night because you thought this was something that the cops should see, were you? No, sir. You were filming because this is something you were enjoying, wasn't it? No, sir. Did you say yes, sir? I said no, sir. Sorry. What were you going to do with that video after you took it? I do not recall exactly. But you weren't going to give it to the cops, were you? Yes, sir. I would have. You didn't until they asked about it, right? Yes, sir.

You described a couple other people in that video for us. You said the green shirt was Ryan Hines, correct? Yes, sir. White and black in front, that was um Sal Perry, correct? Yes, sir. One person with the shirt off over top of Mr. Dilva. That was Alex Bernson that you had brought with you. Yes, sir. Black shirt and red hat. Michael Sieri. Yes, sir. Dilva you described as wearing the light blue jersey. I believe it was an miss jersey. I do not recall saying Miss, but I said a light blue jersey. And then you described Tyler Rich as being on the ground in front of Mr. Dilva in that. Yes, sir. That's what you could make out from that? Yes, sir. We also saw Mr. Villa Lobos in there. Correct. Yes, sir. Mr. Lovich was in there with no shirt on. Yes, sir. How did you know Mr. Lockovich? We were We were friends. How old was Mr. Lockovich? I do not recall exactly. You didn't start filming until the fight had already begun. Is that fair to say? Yes, sir. Did you see the fight begin? No, sir. You didn't? No, sir. Where were you when the fight began? I was at the cellar doors. So, you didn't see somebody throw the first punch? No, sir. When you spoke with officers, you described Leo as wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt. Correct. I do not recall exactly. He was not wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt that night, was he? I do not recall. You told the officers that you observed it from a distance, right? I do not recall. In fact, you didn't just observe it from a distance. You were filming the thing, right? Yes, sir. You were cheering it on, right? I do not recall cheering it on, but I was yelling at one point in the video. Yes. You wouldn't describe saying yes sir as cheering it on? No, sir. That wasn't encouraging things. I do not recall exactly. And where was Ryan Hines while this was going on? I do not recall exactly where he was. But you told the officers that you saw the defendant strike Ryan Hines in the ribs, right? I do not recall. But you couldn't have seen the defendant strike Ryan Hines in the ribs, right? I do not recall exactly where they were. Well, we saw what you saw, did we not? Yes, sir. Did you see the defendant strike Ryan Hines in the ribs? No, sir. No, you didn't. But you told the cops that, right? I do not recall exactly saying that. And how did you know Mr. McGrath? We have mutual friends. Had you ever been to parties with him before? We have been in the same places a few times. Yes. Did you see him drinking this evening? No, I did not. Um, [Applause] you told officers when you spoke with them before you gave them the video that to the best of your knowledge, this entire incident was completely random. Right. Yes, sir. But it wasn't completely random, was it? I do not recall. You don't recall what? What are you referring to when you say it was not completely random? Well, what were you referring to when you said the entire incident was completely random? I was made aware of an incident that happened prior, but other than that of that of the individuals making their way to our Shelton House party, that was random to my knowledge. Making their way to which party? To Tyler Rich's house. That was completely random. To my prior knowledge, it was random of them showing up there. Yes. To your knowledge, the defendant, Jack Snider, and Tyler Dilva showed up at 43 Laura Glenn Drive completely randomly. To my knowledge, up to that point, it was completely random for them to have shown up there. You told these officers that you saw the defendant lying on the ground after getting punched and there was a stampede, did you not? I do not recall. You don't recall telling that to officer Ian when you spoke to him on May 20th? I do not recall. Did you see the defendant lying on the ground after getting punched and then there was a stampede and Mr. Hines was pushed and landed on Mr. Valley? I do not recall exactly seeing that. Well, you did describe to us that it was a chaotic scene, right? Yes, sir. What was chaotic about it? It was very chaotic with a fight. There was a lot of yelling and there was people outside. It was just a chaotic scene to follow. There was only two of these kids from St. Joe's there. Correct. Yes, sir. On the grass. Correct. On the grass. Yes, sir. There were at least 20 Shelton High kids there in the lawn. Correct. I do not recall exactly how many, but there was a large group of Shelon kids outside. Yes. Do you dispute that there was at least 20? I do not recall exactly how many, but there was a larger group. You wouldn't dispute that there was 30, would you? I do not recall exactly how many were out there. You wouldn't dispute that there was 40, would you? I do not recall exactly how many people were out there. Would you agree that the two St. Joe's kids were vastly outnumbered? of people fighting. There was not many people in the actual fight. There was a lot of bystanders around. How many people would you say were fighting in that video that you recorded? To the best of my knowledge exactly, I'd say a few. Not too many. A few. Yes, sir. Like those seltzers? Two or three? Upon watching the video, I could see there was about there was a fight in the grass and there was a punch thrown from behind from Alex Bernstein. That was it. You didn't see anyone actually get stabbed, correct? No, sir. And the reason that you didn't initially share that video that you made on the night of is because you were afraid you might get in trouble, right? I do not recall why I did not give it over. You knew that that video showed your friends engaged in some assaultive behavior, correct? Yes, sir. You didn't want your friends to get in trouble, did you? Um, I obviously did not want them to get in trouble, but I do not recall if that was a reason I did not give it over. Well, you say you obviously did not want them to get in trouble. What's so obvious about that? Well, nobody ever wants their friends to get in trouble, but that would not be the reason that I would not hand the video over. But you didn't hand the video over immediately, did you? No, sir. You had it on the night of the 14th, correct? Yes, sir. You had it on the 15th, correct? Yes, sir. You talked with Officer Bitsko and Officer Staples, correct? I do not recall officer Bitskco who that is but officer Staples. Yes, I know. At the Shelton PD, correct? Yes, sir. And then you went back again on the 20th and that's when you talked with Officer Ian. Correct. I do not recall that officer's name, but I did end up going back. Yes, sir. That's when you gave him the video, right? I do not recall exactly which time I gave them the video. Did you share that video with anybody else? No, sir, I did not. Didn't post it on some social media. So that night the video was on a private story and then deleted as soon as everything calmed down. Let's talk about that. The video was on a private story. Yes, sir. It just got there on its own? No, I posted it on a private story and that's when I put my phone back into my pocket. You posted that video that night on your private story? Yes, sir. How many people had access to it? I do not recall. All your friends? I do not recall exactly how many people have access to them. Do you let all of your friends have access to your private stories? A I do not recall exactly how many. Some of my friends are in it, some are not. When you posted it to your private stories? Yes, sir. You didn't give it to the police, did you? No, sir. It was posted the night of and deleted almost immediately. because you were afraid you might get in trouble, right? I deleted the video upon realizing exactly, excuse me, what had happened that night. Um, but no, not about getting in trouble. Once I realized what had happened and what had occurred and we came to the realization that um, obviously there was injured and Jimmy was severely wounded, the video was taken down right after. Well, you knew that Jimmy was severely wounded that night, did you not? Yes, sir. But you posted it that night, right? I posted it. There's a button on Snapchat where if you just click it once, it automatically posts. There's no second verification needed or anything. So, upon clicking that button, it was posted to my story instantly. And then I put my phone back in my pocket. You posted that video that night, right? Yes, sir. It wasn't just posted on its own. No, sir. You did that. Yes, sir. rather than give that to the police. I did not have a meeting with the police. I forgot about the video immediately when it was on my story that night upon first responders getting there and everything. And then I remembered about the video, do not recall exactly when, it was in the next few hours to a friend of mine saying that the video was on my story. You posted that video that night shortly after we heard you say yes sir, right? Yes, sir. And that was before you realized how seriously Mr. McGrath was injured. Was that fair to say? Yes, sir. You posted that video because that was a trophy. You wanted people to see what had happened because you didn't know yet how serious it was. That's the truth, isn't it? No, sir. I posted the video. I do not recall exactly why I posted the video, but I just posted it. I wasn't really thinking. Did you post any other videos that night? I do not recall. I do not believe so. But you didn't not give it to the police because you were afraid that you might get in trouble. I do not recall exactly why I did not give it to them. And you don't recall if you didn't give it to the police because you didn't want any of your friends to get in trouble? No, I do not recall exactly why I did that. You don't recall anybody laying hands on that car that you saw there? Correct. I do not recall watching anything at the car. You don't recall whether or not that vehicle had that defect in the windshield when you saw it? Correct. I do not recall seeing that. And you don't recall why you said yes, sir. Is that what you told us? I'm I'm going to object based on ask an answer at this point. Sustained. Nothing further. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. All right, Tanner. On direct examination, when we spoke before and council just asked you about the phrase that you said they're back, let's let's reset. Okay. When the car when the Honda Pilot first gets there, where are you first gets there that night? When the Honda Pilot first arrived, it was in the middle of the street and I was also in the middle of the road to the side of the mailbox. So, you're saying this is say it's 52. If you're It's in the middle of the street somewhere here, maybe where the uh where the the yellow X is. Yes. Let's say relatively right about here. Okay. I was on the driver's side. So, when you say that it was in front of the mailbox, you're not saying it's parked in front of the mailbox, right? No. So, when you're saying it's in front of the mailbox, it's somewhere in front of the mailbox, but in the middle of the street. Yes. in the middle of the street. So when you said on direct examination and then again explored on cross- examination whether that the the uh the phrase that you you used there back was did you misspeak at that moment? Was that the first time they came to the to the house? No. So the first time they came to the house was when the car was in the middle of the street. I misunderstood what the defendant's lawyer said when I said their back was after the car first drove away and I made it to the back of the seller doors upon me here. So, just so we're clear, cars in the middle of the street, you go up, you're on the driver's side, you see what you see, and then the car drives off, right? Yes, sir. And after the car drives off, you make your way back to the the seller doors, right? Upon the car driving off, yes, I made my way to the back basement seller doors. And when you made your way back to the cellar doors, how long did you hang out there? I do not recall exactly. It was not too long. And at some point in time, you heard their back. Yes, sir. And at that point in time, what did you observe about the car? Where was the car located? Once I heard the yelling they're back, I proceeded to go to the front and the car was relatively close to the mailbox, more towards the yard this time. I'm going to show you. See, it's exhibit 62. Can you see this right here? Yes, sir. What does this appear to be down here on on the bottom part of 62? It appears to be a parked car. Okay. And this up here with the lights on, what does this appear to be? A house across the street. This right here, this this structure right here, that appears to be the dark Honda pilot. Okay. So, if this car, Do you recall where this car down here to the bottom of 62, do you recall that was parked facing Adams Drive near the mailbox or was it facing the other way? I do not recall exactly, but at some point in time when that when the Honda Pilot comes back, does it come back towards Adams or going the other way? It came back and the car was going towards Adam, facing Adam. And so this is the car, right? You're telling us this is the Honda Pilot right here, right? Yes, sir. And that's the defendant in front of the Honda Pilot. Yes, sir. Is it safe to say that he's between a parked car on the side of the road and the car this car being in the middle of the road? Yes, sir. So is it at that moment when you heard Well, shortly before that moment when you heard their back, is that when you heard their back? Yes, sir. Okay. So when we're referring to their back, you're referring to this moment in time just before the fight starts. When we when I heard they're back, I was already at the cellar doors and that was right prior to me walking out and observing a

fight from the front law.

Council asked you why you videoed that fight that night. I mean, do you do a lot of videoing on Snapchat? Yes, sir. Why do you do that? Um, I'm not too sure why. Do you ran Do you randomly video things? Um, yes, sir. Me and my friends always take videos like when we're doing anything really. Is that the whole purpose of Snapchat? What's the purpose of Snapchat? Why do you have it? Snapchat is to send pictures and/or videos to friends, or you could create a story which I explained before.

And is it common for you and your friends to just whip your phone out and start videoing things or taking pictures? Yes, sir. And is it common for you and your friends uh on Snapchat? Uh withdrawn. Do do you use any other social media apps? Yes, sir. Okay. And is it common for you and your friends to uh use social media apps such as Snapchat to video things and post them to your to your Snapchat account? Yes, sir. Um have you have you done that before? Yes, sir. And have when you've done that before, did you do it just kind of not thinking about it? Just you video something, you just post it for the sake of posting it? Yes, sir. And uh why why do you do that? Really? Just to catch memories, I would say. Yeah, that's really So, when you videoed this this fight on on May 14th of 2022, uh was it kind of one of those impulsive things that you did? Yes.

And uh when you posted it, is it is that one of those impulsive things when you posted you I guess you said you hit a button or something and it posted right away? Yeah. I do not recall exactly, but there is a button on the main screen where if you hit it, it immediately will post. Is that something that you've done in the past? Yes, sir. And is that something that you've done in the past when uh you kind of can do it without looking at the screen or do you have to kind of watch what you're doing and then hit something real quick? Well, you have to kind of look at it, but if you click add to story, it will add to your story. So, when you posted this video uh that we watched today, is that something that as soon as um the video ended, you kind of posted it and then kind of realized what what had happened? Yes, sir. Now I have no further questions. Thank you. Okay. Any additional cost? I just have brief questions for All right.

Just want to make sure we've got this correct now. First time the car arrives, you're standing by the rear passenger side, correct? The first time that the car arrived in the middle of the street, I was at the rear driver's side. Rear driver's side. Yep. Thank you for correcting me. Mhm. You're standing at the rear driver's side, you didn't see anybody else surrounding the car. I do not recall exactly. You don't recall anybody touching the car even though you were an arms length away? Yeah, I do not recall exactly. You don't recall anybody rocking the car? I do not recall. You don't recall anybody damaging that car in any way? I do not recall. Car drives off. You go back to the seller doors for some time. Believe you described that as being maybe 20 25 minutes, right? I do not recall exactly how long. It was um a little bit of time. When the car drove off, it headed down towards Farmhouse Lane, right? Yes, sir. You stayed outside by the back seller doors. Yes, sir. I was right on the stairs. You didn't see any Shelton High kids go down towards Farmhouse Lane? I do not recall seeing anybody. You don't recall hearing anybody go down towards Farmhouse Lane from Shelton High? No, sir. You don't recall seeing Tyler Rich go down there? No, sir. You don't recall seeing Ricky Fel go down there? No, sir. Nobody. Right. Sir, second time you hear their back, right? Yes, sir. This time the car is relatively close to the mailbox with another car in front of it. Correct. As seen in the picture, the car is in the middle of the street with a parked car parallel to it. Yes. You were asked a whole bunch of questions on redirect about randomly videoing things. Do you remember that? Yes, sir. This wasn't randomly videoing something, was it? I do not recall exactly. Upon seeing lights once I made my way to the front yard, there was lights and what appeared to be I thought other people recording. Therefore, I just I started a recording. Yes. It wasn't random, right? it. I saw other lights, so I started recording upon coming into the front yard. You saw lights and that made you decide you needed to record something? I thought the other people were recording. Yeah. You told us that you record things to catch memories, right? Yes, sir. That's what you just told the state's attorney, to catch memories, right? Yes, sir. This was a memory that you wanted to catch, wasn't it? No, sir. This wasn't a memory that you wanted to catch. Upon walking out into the grass and seeing other lights, I thought other people were recording. And in this day and age, it's kind of just a first instinct. You recorded this because you wanted to catch this memory. It's only after the fact when you figured out what had occurred that you decided maybe this isn't a memory I want to keep anymore. That's the truth, isn't it? I do not recall exactly why I started this recording. It was a spur of the moment and I just started recording. It wasn't to catch the memory of Shelton High kids getting the better of the two St. Joe's kids. No, sir. Did you say yes, sir? I said no, sir. Nothing. Anything further? Nothing further. You're all set. Can I exit the witness stand? Please watch your step as you exit. Okay. [Music]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to adjourn for the day. I want to remind the jury before we do that that you must abide by your rules of juror conduct. Uh I also describe to you your instructions the beginning at the beginning of the trial. So those instructions that I gave to you at the beginning of the trial apply. You must abide by those rules. So tomorrow is a court holiday. We will not be in session tomorrow. That's Thursday. Friday, we will also not be in session for purposes of this trial. All right? So, for the purposes of the jurors, you will not need to be here Thursday or Friday of this week. We will resume evidence on Monday. Again, I cannot stress how important it is that you abide by your obligations. You're going to be going home to curious people. You're going to have four days where you are going to have access to social media and media, newspapers, uh, local postings and conversation. Please do your best to avoid anything about this trial. Please do not discuss anything about this trial or any issues arising out of it with anyone. We'll see you back on Monday. Again, I also want to stress, do not visit any of the locations that have been discussed. Do not conduct any independent research or investigation into any of the issues arising out of this trial. Your obligation is to decide this case at the end of the trial based solely on the evidence presented here in this courtroom. I expect that you take your oath seriously. I appreciate the attention that you continue to give this trial. Enjoy your weekend. Have a safe weekend and we'll see you back Monday same time. Thank you. Court stands journal.

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