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[Music] Yeah, that's so funny. I mean, you hear people that are very high up in intelligence agencies and stuff, they they talk about they get to this realization. They they they have this dark night of the soul moment a lot of times where they're just like they they finally learn so much about things and they kind of get, you know, this white glossed over look on their face and and they'll be like, "There's a battle in the heavens between like good and evil." Like, like it's like this realization that like all the stuff that, you know, we've been told and taught in these different fables and and tales and stuff, there's some truth to that. But that these these, you know, angels and demons and the battle between good and evil and this kind of stuff could possibly be just different factions of advanced or future future humans battling each other for either control of this similar or, you know, the the ability to rewrite the future or or whatever it is that they're fighting over. But you see an attempt or an attempt to break out of this control system, break out of the control mentality and to evolve into some more sophisticated and interesting life form. Uh, so yeah, I mean, I I I think that that's what's going on.
Now, where I would uh where I would um uh definitely offer some qualification is that I don't see it as a battle between good and evil because uh very much in in, you know, in the vein of Nietzsche's um thinking, I reject that as a false binary. Uh, you know, so my idea of the spectral revolution has ontological and epistemic implications in terms of like how science should be practiced and the relationship between technology and science and so forth. But my idea of the spectral revolution also has ethical and political implications. And one of those is that the the among the many false binaries deconstructed by a proper understanding of the spectral is the false binary of good and evil. Uh, I don't think there's anything evil. There are things that are bad from a certain perspective for a certain form of life with its own interests. And, you know, depending on, you know, where you're situated and what your interests are, you should oppose what's bad for you, right? So, you know, people who torture animals or abuse children, they're bad. They're very bad because they're going to degenerate our society and they're harmful to, you know, uh the growth of individuals to the kind of uh environment of nurturing that's conducive to the proper development of a person's psyche and so on and so forth. Okay. And, you know, I would be inclined to compare them to like cancers or people who have like mind viruses. And there are certain mind viruses that need to be contained, even if it requires extreme measures to contain them, right? I mean, frankly, I would say that, you know, some of our major religious belief systems represent such mind viruses that take over people and turn them essentially into zombies. But I wouldn't I wouldn't call those ideologies evil. I'd just say, look, it's like a virus. It needs to be contained. Uh, so yeah, good and evil. Yeah, I think they're not they're they're they're not useful constructive terms in uh, you know, with which to frame this conflict. I would rather go back to how, let's say, Zarathustra saw it um, which is as a conflict between progression, creation, innovation on the one hand, what he called Spenta Mainyu, and then constraint and oppression and regression on the other hand, which he called Angra Mainyu, which later was contracted to Amen.
>> Yeah. And and that goes back to kind of what I touched on earlier with the Gnostic belief system that there seems to be this divine plan and this divine like kind of flow of the universe that we we've talked a lot in this this talk here about the different control systems and different factions of people and other entities and intelligences that that seem to be manipulating us and pulling us in different directions. But at the end of the day, it seems like the universe itself, whatever this universe is, is this information-based cosmos that seems to be running by the ethos of like, "Evolve or die." Like it seems to be trying to to reduce entropy and to to evolve in a particular direction. Um, and that we're a part of that system, obviously. So there are some manipulative influences on us that we have to deal with. But at the end of the day, we're we're here to learn and grow and evolve. Um, at some point break through these chains and and everything. You know, I look at all of life is just an obstacle course. It's just one more obstacle. But I guess the point is that, you know, when when you have this you have so much weighing down on you, uh, trying to like keep you from expressing yourself or doing what it is you think you're supposed to be doing as as a people, as a society, as everything. Um, where do you think we should pull that that power, that inspiration? Like I don't want to give up. Let's put it that way. Like I I look at all the stuff and you see you see all these challenges against you and you see these, you know, these these beings and these people and everything with all their their their different, you know, agendas and everything like that. Um, and I know that the average person, I mean, look at it this way. We have eight billion people on Earth. Um, 120 years ago, we had what, one and a half billion. We've multiplied by like five times our population. Most of the metrics that we would define like evil and bad, you know, like famine and and wars and and genocides and things like that, most of that's gone down. Most violent crimes have gone down. Um, you know, I know that is spikes in different places and all that, but all I'm saying is you would think with this many more humans with free will that that things would just be off the charts astrologically bad, but what we see is um by most measurements, it's a more civilized place. And I know there's more control systems in place and that kind of stuff. But I guess I want to I want to believe that through this process of you know different iterations which I call you know obviously incarnations, that we are improving, we are learning, we are evolving, and we are getting better as a collective because when you have 8 billion people in one place, things should be completely bananas, but most of the world runs in a pretty civilized manner. Um, I know there's pockets of insanity, but um, it seems like we are going in a particular direction and that there is this this potential for a good positive outcome even with all of the insane control system. I mean, when you look at the Nordics, it doesn't seem to be an army of them. It seems to be a pretty small select few. Like, it doesn't I don't get the impression that there's millions of these beings. It's kind of like a small breakaway, you know, clique. Um, so it almost I guess where I'm going with that is what do you think we should do like given everything that we just talked about like where do we go from here?
>> So here I disagree with you pretty much across the board. Um, first of all uh by the way, I do think there are millions of Nordics. I do think so. I think that they >> I mean, and you know, Adamski and now Adamski and company, Adamski, George Hunt Williamson, George Van Tassel, they were told all kinds of things. So I don't want to put a lot of stock in what these Nordics told them because these Nordics are liars and and, you know, they lied about where they were from and so on and so forth. So who knows if this is true, but by the way, they did tell Adamski there were millions of them. And um, I think they live underground. They live under the oceans. They live uh inside mount certain mountains. They there are a lot of them living on the moon, on and probably inside the moon. And I think there are still people on Mars underground because when Ingo Swann remote viewed Mars, and again, he did it with a whole team of people too. It wasn't just Ingo Swann. He had a whole team of people all blind to the target. And what they described was that there were ruins that were vastly ancient. Same thing Joe McMoneagle described when he did remote viewing at the Monroe Institute for the for the CIA of Mars um millions of years BC. There were, Ingo Swann said, um, ruins that were clearly vastly ancient. And he said there were cities that looked like a war had taken place in them, like, you know, there were exploded structures as if like this place had been bombarded or explosives had been set off. But then he said there were other structures that were pristine and looked like they were still functioning, certain communications towers and things. So like what he also saw on the moon on the dark side of the moon where he saw the city >> being in ruins on the dark side of the moon as if abandoned thousands of years ago, but also like something bad happened there.
>> The moon.
>> Yeah. I've heard from people that like there's evidence that's going to be released to the public that the dark side of the moon has like ruins that look a lot like like our Greek ruins here on Earth, that like it's like the same kind of like architecture and style of buildings and that kind of stuff, but has that same feeling that it's been, you know, neglected and abandoned for a very, very, very long time. I think some of the structures are obviously vastly ancient there. But what Ingo Swann described is that he described those structures and he he did draw the comparison to megalithic architecture on the earth. But he said also that there were, you know, sophisticated technological structures that were currently in use and he saw the people who were using them, who were these slave drivers uh, you know, basically um using people to mine whatever on the moon. Anyway, uh, point being, I think that, you know, one could make a case there are a lot of these Nordics. Now, their population size is nothing to compare with the size of the human population. That is for I mean, the normal human population. That's for sure. Um, but listen, there isn't necessarily strength in numbers. And here's where again I would disagree with you is that I don't think the planet is in good shape at all socially. I think the fact that, listen, if you go back to the social conditions and level of scientific knowledge and sophistication of literature and culture in Alexandria in Alexandrian Rome, and then you look at what happened after the Christian takeover of the Roman Empire. It is most definitely a regressive reset in the course of which we basically had our high culture gutted, decimated. And then you look at, you know, the late Middle Ages, and we were about to head toward the Renaissance across the board in all different domains, and then the Black Plague happens. And you look, and William Bramley has done an excellent analysis of this in in his book, Gods of Eden, where he goes back to medieval manuscripts and he finds that the plague was deliberately spread by these people who came from out of lights that would land in fields, and they were wearing some kind of protective gear, which formed the basis for the image of the Grim Reaper in medieval culture. And they went around basically spraying fields and spraying people's uh, doors to their houses and streets and alleys uh, with some kind of a compound that resulted in the Black Plague. And it not only decimated the population of Europe, it massively culturally regressed us back into religious fundamentalism. So to the point where the Renaissance was delayed for another couple of hundred years. And then, if you ask me, the worst example of all is the Islamic conquest of Iran. One of my lifelong interests has been Iranian studies. I wrote a tome on Iran called Iranian Leviathan. And it's very clear to me after having studied Iranian history for decades that if the Islamic conquest of Iran had not taken place, the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution would have taken place in Iran, not in Europe. And it would have happened about 500 years earlier than it happened in Europe, if not even earlier than that. And Iranians would have taken us to Mars and we'd have cities on Mars by now. Okay? With their Promethean, you know, Zoroastrian, Mithraic mentality and their tremendous industriousness and scientific potential, which expressed itself only in an in an abort, miscarried form, that so-called Islamic Golden Age, where you know, it has not only has nothing to do with Islam, it's has an inverse relationship with Islam, where you know, a whole, you know, few generations of of predominantly Persian scientists and intellectuals and literary figures and so forth resurrected the culture that would have flowered into an Iranian Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution, that represents essentially a miscarriage. It's like a a miscarried fetus. Okay, sort of like dead on arrival. It didn't have much of a chance because of Islam. And so I would disagree with you. I would say that the Islamic conquest of the Persian Empire, and then, you know, much of the rest of the civilized world, right, including at this point now, half of Africa, is an absolute catastrophe, and it's it's not going to lead to anything good. And and here I would further disagree with you uh with reference to what a number of remote viewers have seen regarding the relatively near future. Which is that probably because these regressive ideologies are so dominant on the planet, we're going to face a number of really convergent catastrophes in the next 20 years or so. And I'll just give you a list so that I can put my neck on the my head on the chopping block in case these things don't. By the way, I hope I hope these things don't happen. I really hope we can shift the timeline and that somehow we can avert at least some of these catastrophes, let alone the convergence of all of them. But here's what I think in in in short, the next 20 years is going to look like economic and social collapse of the Western world, leading to a cut off of the developing world from Western agricultural products. You know, that something like 80% of the food consumed in Africa is sent by Westerners to Africa. Westerners or like from Ukraine's breadbasket or, you know, they are dependent on the the North, the global North for their food supply. So the West and the global North, they're are going to face economic collapse and social deterioration, disintegration, which will cut off the food source for the developing world. This will result in horrendous famine and starvation. Um, hundreds of millions of people are going to die of starvation, especially in Africa. Africa is going to be largely depopulated. Then you're going to have some kind of a geophysical disaster which pulls Antarctica and Greenland out of their current polar regions and results in a precipitous melting of those ice sheets, raising the worldwide sea level by between two and 300 ft. And I mean precipitous, like it's going to the ice will melt very quickly, and it will flood all the coastal cities of the world. Well, most people live in coastal cities all around the world. That's a loss of another two or three billion people, and it's going to happen within the next 20 years. So, and then on top of all that, as if it's not a rosy enough picture, I think we're going to have a pandemic or pandemics or superbugs that are worse than COVID, and they're going to the these uh diseases are going to lead to the failure of antibiotic medicine. They're going to uh be antibiotic resistant, and it will lead to complete collapse of our existing medical system. So that's what's in store for us as a lot of remote viewers have convergently seen. Uh, that's what's in store in the next 20, 30 years. I hardly think that that's a sign of consistent human progress.
>> Yeah. And and I can't disagree with anything you said there. Um, I I did a a long deep dive on on all those things and I I've done multiple deep dives on different prophecies that seem to be converging in the next 15 years. It really seems like 2046 is the year if I had to to place a bet on when everything really goes south. Um, it's 2046, but it's going to progressively get worse. Um, up until that point. I think the next 15 years of our of our world here is going to be the most probably chaotic and insane of any, you know, 15-year stretch in human history. Um, I've been very open about that. As as optimistic as I am, I'm also not stupid. Um, now having said that, um, a lot of this stuff is like we've talked about before, our our future is is a set of it's a probability distribution field. So, right, we have different possibilities and each possibility has a probability assigned to it. Um, kind of like the squiggly lines and the spaghetti um path from the hurricanes. And um, and there's no way we make it through the next 20 years without some sort of convergent catastrophes happening. Now, I don't know if it's going to be two of those or three of those or five of them or 10 of them combined. Um, we have a couple wild cards. We have AI, which is is not talked about very much in these these prophecies except you mentioned Arimon. Um, so if we want to get Steiner in there and then his his beliefs on on what AI is. Um, but I still think it's kind of a mirror of our our collective. But um, but there are some x-factors and I'm so interested. I'm so excited to be alive right now because it it's like we're living in a freaking movie and it's a choose your own adventure movie. And I know that you like Stoics will tell you, you know, you can only really control what you can control and to focus on that and and, you know, don't don't drive yourself mad with all this stuff. I live 200 yards from the water. I'm I'm in Florida, you know. Um, I I know exactly what the remote viewers from Project 2050 say. Um, I know exactly what the data suggest. Um, I'm not stupid, but I'm also not fearful. Um, because I'm not ready to give up yet. But yeah, I mean, everything you said is is absolutely correct. Now, what we don't know is the severity of these things because there have been so many close calls. There's been so many things that have happened in our world even just lately. I mean, most people thought we would have been in full-blown, and granted some people still think we're in World War II now, it's just the beginning stages. But I mean, how many times, you know, India, Pakistan popping off? How many times, you know, Russia and NATO? I mean, how many times have we been on the precipice of just all out, 100% batshit crazy conflict, and we seem to go up to that threshold and back off. And and I see the devaluing of the dollar. I see the supply chains faltering. I see all the things happening. And and I just, you know, I'm like, "Okay, like here we go." But I mean, five years ago I was saying the same thing when COVID happened. I I built like a bunker room in my house essentially, you know. I was like, "All right, here we go. This is this martial law is coming, you know, get the ammo." And then here we are. So, it's like I don't know. We keep I keep surprising myself. Let's put it that way. So, um, I see everything and and the data suggest everything that you just said, but I also don't know if it's a certainty.
>> Oh, it's not a certainty by no means. You know, I mean, the whole brunt of my philosophical project is to uh, you know, adopt the Promethean stance with regard to all of these challenges and to try to, you know, regain as much autonomy and self-determination as possible and to project the future that, you know, we want to see realized, right? So, I mean, that's uh at the heart of everything that I'm doing. Um, and it helps to have these pre-cognitive remote viewings of perhaps very probable but not definite futures so that we can try to avert some of these things, right? I mean, some of them may be again, more malleable than others. Like if the geophysical catastrophe is a cyclical event as uh Professor Charles Hapgood hypothesized that it is, that, you know, every 12, 13,000 years or so um, the distribution of ice at the poles uh basically causes the crust of the earth to slip over the mantle by a few thousand kilometers and that the consequently the North and South Pole, let me put it differently, a different um terrain has been at the North and South Pole throughout the course of geological history, right? So that uh the last North Pole was in the Hudson Bay. If that's the case, well, that's going to I don't think we can stop that one. Okay. I think the best we could do is to try to manage the movement of as many people from, you know, from the coasts inland, you know, as possible, as fast as possible without, you know, completely panicking, you know, the global society. But, but even then, you see, nobody no government's going to come out and do that. No government's going to come out and tell people, "Hey folks, we've got reliable data that 20 years from now, you know, there's going to be a sudden 300-foot sea level rise and, you know, you should start moving inland." No, come on. It would collapse all the world economy. So even that is very, there's not much we're going to be able to do about now. There are other things though, like for example, if this thing that's coming that's like COVID but worse, if that's man-made, the way that COVID certainly was a man-made bioweapon, well, you know, we might, if we can remote view the, you know, unfolding of that pandemic, we might be able to contemporaneously remote view the laboratory in which that uh disease is being created, in which that, you know, pandemic engineer. And there are things that could be done about that, right? I mean, that's an event that could be stopped if it's a bioweapon.
>> Yeah. And and the interesting thing is like having said all those things, so when you go into the data from the 2050 project, which is Stefan Schwarz's his project with, you know, almost 6,000 remote viewers over a 30-year span. Um, very, very good data and his Mobius system that he uses to parse the data is is very reliable. Um, when you look at that, even on the other side of all these catastrophes, this polycrisis, um, because the 2050 data obviously comes from the year 2050. So they're on the other side of it, and he doesn't know exactly when all these things happen. He he likes to think that it's it's a series of events that happen. It's not just one catastrophe, which aligns with what you were talking about, this polycrisis situation. On the other side of it, it's not bad. You know, there's there's a lot of good. Like we we have these personal energy devices which seem to be kind of like a low-energy nuclear reaction type device that everyone uses for their own personal private, you know, free energy of sorts. Um, we we seem to have gone to more of an agrarian culture of of small communities of like-minded people. Um, there seems to be a more consciousness-based healthcare system. No more hospitals. Everything seems to be more naturopathic. Um, there's actually a lot of good that happens on the other side. It's almost as if we're we're bursting at the seams with our materialism and our our we've gotten so far away from from our, I don't know, we're too out of sync. We're out of sync with with Earth. We're out of sync with everything. And um, it seems like there's going to be this tipping point that's going to be reached. And when that happens, it's almost like when your body gets the flu or something, it has to cleanse itself. It has to flush out the toxins. It goes into like cold sweats and it it vomits and it does all the fun stuff. It does that because it's like an immune reaction. And and it's almost like these crises that are coming is like an immune reaction from Earth itself or from just, you know, the energy that the collective is putting out. And it might actually be a good thing. Now, I'm not advocating for any of this, obviously. Um, but I guess when you look at the data on the other side of all this, it seems like so many changes were made because they had to be made, right? It's an emergency. And the changes that were made were done in a way that seemed to be um rational, logical, and and seem to be done in a way that's sustainable, and probably the things that we should be doing now. It's almost as if we need to pretend and assume all these terrible things are going to happen and look on the other side of it, see what solutions, what developments would come out of it, and just start implementing those now in a way to sort of try to avert or at least soften the blow of some of these things. But where I get a little peace is knowing that that this is probably a natural part of of reality here on Earth. Um, and then on the other side of it, we're not all dead. It's not like everything's gone. And and life on the other side actually seems, once it gets back to normal, four or five years after all these these events, um, it seems like life's pretty good um in a lot of ways. So there's that.
>> Let me let me disturb your peace. Let me disturb your peace. What I'm here to do. All right. I'll offer an alternative interpretation. So, but uh, as a proviso to that, it wasn't just Stefan Schwarz and his uh project 2050. Lynn Buchanan also remote viewed the middle of the 21st century, and he saw almost exactly the same things. >> And I had a personal conversation with him about it um when I visited with him briefly, and he filled out the picture for me in ways that made it even more disturbing to me. So let me let me explain what I mean. One of the things that they saw, both Stefan Schwarz and and Lynn Buchanan, is that people don't travel very much anymore. And there's almost no air travel. There are still aerial conveyances, not to say airplanes necessarily, but there are aerial vehicles, but they're used in a very limited way by a limited, presumably elite group of people. The rest of society uh has access to cars, and the cars are on intelligent roadways and so on and so forth. And like you said, you know, these little batteries or power packs or whatever that people put in their cars, and they take it out of their car when they get home, and the same thing powers their home and so forth. So there are roadways, but there but one thing Lynn told me is that he said, "Look, even in terms of automobile travel, people rarely go very far from their homes, and they rarely invite anyone other than their close friends and family to their homes." >> So they live on relatively isolated homesteads in again, as you said, a much more agrarian, less industrial society than the one that we're living in. And he also said that cyberspace was used for people to interact with each other in virtual environments rather than to see each other in person. And he told me that this is because the pandemic that had taken place or superbugs that had, you know, wreaked havoc on the world and collapsed the, you know, the existing medical system had basically terrified people uh of disease. And so we had a, it's a population that's very concerned about contagion. >> And it's partly why they're so isolated on their homesteads. So what world is this that look, we we are on the brink right now of a technological singularity where we should be able to use zero-point energy to zip-zap around the planet at will, okay, in electrogravitic craft, and to go beyond our planet and start to colonize at least the other uh, you know, habitable bodies in our solar system, whether planet like Mars or, you know, the moons of Jupiter and and Saturn. I That's the future we should have in the late 21st century, not a world where we're on relatively isolated agrarian homesteads and we're forbidden to travel in the air. Okay. And the other thing he told me that I found really disturbing is, I I said, "So Lynn, if people are there there's a lot less people because about four or five, I don't know, somewhere around five billion people die over the next 20 years." He said it was something like, it's hard to assess because, you know, he he said it was something like two-thirds of the population of the planet. But is it two-thirds of how many people we have now, or two-thirds of how many we're going to have 10 years from now, or whatever? Okay, it's a billions of people. So there are a lot less people in the world, and they're much more isolated. So I said to him, "So, and there's no air travel, which means we can't look down over vast swaths of presumably unpopulated land, right?" And I said, "Well, if people are more isolated, Oh, and here's this I found really disturbing, I'll tell you. And here your your um Jeffersonian mentality uh might diverge from my New York cosmopolitanism, but one of the other things uh they saw is that the cities are completely abandoned." Well, >> excuse me. Sorry, let me qualify that. As Lynn put it, "Only the bad people still live in cities." I said, "What do you mean bad the bad people?" He goes, "Well, you know, like like criminals." Interesting. >> So, the cities have been abandoned by the people who've agreed to this new neo-agrarian system. Okay. But bad people are still holdouts inside largely abandoned, increasingly ruined cities. What does that mean bad people? Does it mean people who refuse to go along with the system, who still want to they're trying to go back to the trajectory of technological progress that we are on right now? So that's one possibility. But what I found most disturbing is with people more isolated and with a basically a ban on air travel, we can't see what's going on in in the majority of territory on the face of the planet. And I said, "Lynn, does this mean that who we call aliens these days, like the Nordics and other entities that are now hiding underground have surfaced and they're living in areas that are vacated of normal humans?" And he said, "Yep, >> that's what's going on." He said, "Yep, >> they're out there." >> But most people wouldn't know or have access to them. So I find that whole picture to be very disturbing. What that looks to me like is a controlled demolition of advanced industrial society and basically the prevention of our achievement of the technological singularity.
>> Yeah. Do you think they're using us as we're very efficient workers? If you think about it, everybody wakes up in the morning. They they speed off to work. We have little fingers. We can make devices and things. We're very good at crafting things and making things. Most people that make stuff at a high level, let's look at robotics, AI, things like that. Even when you ask them and talk to them, you're like, "You seem very driven to do this." Like almost to the point where like, you know, they they understand the the pitfalls and the dangers in front of them and they just don't care. It's like they're a madman. They're just like, "I must make this thing." We seem to be very very good workers, very efficient workers. Do you think that we're being manipulated to make things for these these Nordic beings? And that's our job. And basically when we're done making whatever things they're wanting us to make, we're no longer as necessary.
>> Yeah. I do. Yeah. And and here's where unfortunately I think that that's true of the rebels as well as the overlords. That the Ashuras or Titans, whatever you want to call them, they're also using us to make things because there aren't enough of them to defeat the overlords by themselves. Plus, they tried and they failed. So they're recruiting ordinary humans to create a vast weaponizable industrial base for another revolt, another insurgency against the overlords. Now, whether that's a good thing or not depends, I guess, on your perspective. Yeah, I mean, I see, you know, just the other day Elon was talking about how, you know, he wants to have two billion of these these autonomous robots on Earth um before the end of the decade, which is not very far. Um, also about how he's teaming up with Nvidia to create this world-building AI technology um that will far surpass any LLM that we have now. It's not a large language model. Literally um experiences and learns and and once we start putting AI into robotics, then it has free will because at that point right now AI can only learn what we tell it. But once it can go out in the world and have 3D experiences and meet other robots and have, you know, it can start to to build much more intelligence at a level of almost sentience and consciousness because it's having free will. It's making free will decisions and having this cause and effect kind of a learning feedback system. Um, and we're building these robots. We're going to mass produce them like crazy. China already is. They have a lot of their their main factories and stuff running by robots right now to the point where when our our executives from America go over there, our manufacturing executives, they come back literally terrified because they're like, "Whoa, we didn't know China was that far ahead." Um, we're about to have an insane amount of very capable, intelligent, possibly sentient and conscious robots running around in the next few years. I mean, this isn't like science fiction like 20 years, 50 years, 100 years down the road. Um, that's an x-factor to me because I don't really know if it's going to be a good thing for us or a bad thing for us. Obviously, it's going to play a it's going to have a factor. I mean, how can it not? What are your >> Not necessar I'll tell you how it how it can not. Um, so not necessarily because of two things. One is I don't know how far we're going to get into the robotics revolution before this convergence of catastrophes that we were talking about. I don't know how far we're going to get. Uh, so that's one thing. And the second thing is >> power plug and just shut the whole thing down. >> Yes. And speaking of pulling the power plug, the second thing is that all of these robots can be taken out with an EMP. With an EMP. And I think one of the reasons why the Nordics used the Grays as robots that, you know, a lot of evidence in the close encounter literature, abduction literature, that the Grays are robots built by Nordics. They're biological robots. And I'm sure one reason for that is that they're EMP resistant. So, and even if we develop significant numbers of robots before the convergence of catastrophes halts industrial production, um, those robots can all be taken out very easily with a few EMP strikes.
>> I'd never thought about that with the the Grays, like why they look the way they look, because obviously we wouldn't create something like that. Like we're we're too aesthetically minded. Even the Nordics look at them. I mean, they're they're so prim and proper and beautiful. Even their uniforms are perfectly fitted and and nicely designed. And the Grays just don't seem to fit from any sort of a design aesthetic point of view. Um, it it's I've often thought about like why they're made the way they are made. Um, but I mean, you you're saying that if it's a synthetic type of a biological >> They make perfect sense to me aesthetically as a robot because look, if you first of all, they lack a lot of the biological structure and articulation that, you know, a naturally grown organism would have. So they're like functionally abbreviated, functionally abbreviated entities. And based on some of the autopsy reports that whether or not they're legit or they're disinformation, I don't know, but uh, based on what some people have said, they lack a lot of the internal organs that humans have. Also, and you would expect that too. Um, and the head structure, you you don't need a nose really. and what we they describe as a vestigial nose. You don't really need a functioning esophagus and so forth. Again, that's what we see. You have two huge eyes, which people describe as having some kind of a lens over them. That the blackness of the Grays' eyes is actually a lens. Well, that's like a a very advanced sensor system that's taking in probably all kinds of spectra of information beyond visible light. And you have a huge processing system inside the head, right? Uh, so it makes sense to me as a form for a cybernetic, you know, biological robot.
>> Well, why would they even have, you know, orifices for holes and ears if they're not necessary? Like it it seems needless um from a design standpoint.
>> Yeah. Maybe so that it will be interpreted as an alien.
>> Yeah. I mean, if that's the narrative you want to create, right, that okay, these are you're being visited from from Zeta Reticuli, and that's part of the the scope. Well, then you need, you know, it needs to be something that could be could be interpreted as a legit life form, but that actually functionally, when you look at it, is much more like a, you know, very, you know, specific purpose-driven and designed entity.
>> Yeah. What if it's grown from in part human DNA? Um, so that's compatible with humans as far as telepathically and other things like that. Um, and those are just remnants of the the DNA, which is essentially just, you know, code. Um, and that those things just kind of manifest themselves because it's part of this it's it's a hybrid between essentially like synthetic artificial intelligence and natural biological genetics and it comes out as a Gray, you know.
>> For sure. For sure. They're grown using human DNA and I think probably the DNA of some other organisms to give them capacities that humans don't have >> for certain functional purposes.
>> And and you brought up a brilliant point about the, you know, they would be immune to like EMPs um that would be very important, you know, because if if humans are building this robot army, but we're susceptible to EMPs, obviously the Nordics are going to want their own robot army that's not, you know.
>> That's very, very fascinating and and also very, very terrifying. Um, but uh, and and incredibly interesting. I mean, holy, I mean, this world we're living in right now is just absolutely bananas and and I don't know what the next 20 years is going to be like, but I've done a series of prophecy videos going into the Hopi prophecy, the 2050, you know, different things happening with like Chris Bledo and the lady and Robert Monroe and there's just it goes on and on and so many even Edgar Cayce and and all these things and it seems like just so much of it seems to be coming to fruition right now. Like we're at this tipping point, we're at this convergence. And and I don't know which of those, you know, I think it's very fascinating like I've I've traced back what I think is the Atlantis connection, you know, and um, you you talked about, you know, ancient Iran. Um, I really think that that's, you know, when Atlantis fell, the remnants of it, you know, they went from the Steppe region and they went across and it probably started, you know, early Iran. Like I I get this impression that the early Iranians were the remnants and the survivors of Atlantis and that so many things happened that suppressed them and they it's almost like they've been the ones that have been oppressed and and kind of beaten for for ages. And like you said, we should be so much further along technologically, spiritually, consciously. We should to be so much further along and and I think we would have been had those remnants of Atlantis been able to assert themselves in a dominant um form, you know, and and and it's also kind of paradoxical because we also think of them as the Nordics, you know what I mean? But it almost seems like >> Yeah. So when like Atlantis fell, it seems like obviously they they kind of destroy themselves if you go by Steiner and if you go by the Hopi.
>> I don't I totally disagree with Steiner on that. I disagree with Steiner on a lot.
>> But go ahead.
>> No, no. I mean, that's an important um point then because like, you know, so say they didn't destroy themselves, which makes it even more like it seems like they're the they're being oppressed for whatever reason throughout time.
>> Yeah. And that they are the the they're the ones that would be leading us to this more utopian type future, >> but whatever reason they're suppressed. And um, I I feel this strong connection to the Atlantis culture. I mean, my wife, she does past life regressions, and, you know, not to get too woo, but like we have had past lives in Atlantis when we're connected to to the Atlantis culture. And I feel a strong >> nice I feel a very strong conviction now to to stand up for that and to research it and to try to figure out what the hell is going on here. And that's why I do a lot of videos and stuff on Atlantis and Atlanteans and and people. Most people just don't believe it or think it's complete, you know, whatever. But um, but I I feel it's just something I feel that there's a very important connection there and that I somehow play a role in this. Um, so when you were talking about, you know, if the the history of Iran would have turned out different in Persia um, we'd be having a very different world right now. It's kind of the man in the high tower kind of a thing, like um, you know, we're living almost in like it's almost like we went down the negative timeline and that's what we're living in. Um, as opposed to if the Atlanteans would have, you know, like Edgar Cayce even says that like the the tomb underneath or the Atlantean archive underneath the paw in between the paw and the Nile of the the Sphinx is is full of the Atlantean records and that they're kept there. They're being hidden and kept from somebody for some reason, whether it's consciously locked, time locked, or they just don't want to get in the hands of people because of their their oppressive history. What is going on there? Look, I'm glad you brought this up about Iran uh before I did. I mean, I wouldn't have brought it up because people are going to say, "Well, look at this Iranian chauvinist go again." You know, um, but uh, it's true. I I've researched this and I'm convinced that see the oldest Iranians are not the Persians. The Persians were late comers in the formative phase of what we identify as Iranian civilization. The oldest, most powerful Iranians were the Scythians >> and also an offshoot of them who became the Sarmatians uh that the Greeks call the Amazons because it was a matriarchal society. The Scythians are latter-day Atlanteanss. They are survivors of the destruction of Atlantis, which is to say they're hybrids, which is what the Atlanteanss were, demigods. And in ancient Iranian mythology, we have accounts of Scythians living for 700 years. People who live for 700 and they're these huge hulking people like, you know, Conan the Barbarian, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh redheads, a lot of them, uh, you know, basically Nordic phenotype.
>> Like Vikings.
>> Vikings. Yes. Okay. So interestingly, there's a term in ancient Iranian in essentially in the Scythian language which was uh misnamed Avestan. For a long time, people they in linguistics they categorized this language that the Avesta, the ancient Iranian scriptures are written in as Avestan. But recent scholarship has basically uncovered that no, this is a Scythian language. It's Scythian, and Zarathustra spoke Scythian. Zarathustra was a Scythian. The Gathas are composed in Scythian. And the Scythian um scriptures tell us that some of these Scythians like Rostam lived for like 700 years. And they also tell us that the Iranian people, which is to say the Aryans, you know, the word Iran is a Middle Persian Pahlavi contraction of the word Ariana. Ariana was the name of Iran in an in in ancient times. And so the Scythians just called themselves Aryans. Um, and the the term Saka from which we get Scythian is a subgroup of these Aryans. By the way, it means dog people or hound people, and the wolf was their totem. So these
And and this the Sarmatians who broke off from them, their totem, their war banner is the dragon, which is interesting because the dragon uh shows up as the rebel symbol in all these cultures where you have the divide between the gods and the titans or the the the Elohim and the fallen angels. The dragon is always associated with the rebel side.
Like for example in uh the Mayan culture Qual is the dragon who's fighting again against Tescatipoka the god who eventually triumphs and creates this horrible human sacrifice cult on the tops of pyramids, right? So anyway, the Scythians say that we lived in an island continent at the center of the world and uh our our homeland Arianam va, the seed cradle of the Aryans, was suddenly overcome by ice. It was it was suddenly uh basically encased in ice and this happened after a cataclysm that deranged the heavens and it's it's uh described as an attack on the world.
So look at this. Every culture around the world has a deluge myth. Whether it's the Sumerian, you know, the Mesopotamians, the um the Mayans, the Greeks, what Plato preserves in the legend of Atlantis. One culture, the Iranian culture, describes that cataclysm in terms of a freezing over rather than a flood. Well, uh where is there a huge island continent that's now encased in ice? Antarctica.
Antarctica, which if Charles Hapgood was correct, prior to the Earth's crustal slippage about 12,000 some odd years ago, Antarctica was where Argentina is today with only a small part of it already in the southern polar region and most of it having the climate of Argentina today. Uh so yeah, I mean, the Iranian, the ancient Iranian myths suggest that the Aryans, which is to say the Atlanteans, came from Antarctica and that fits Plato's myth perfectly as well where, you know, people have for whatever reason assumed that Atlantis is in the Atlantic Ocean. That's not what Plato says. He says from Greece, you have to leave the Straits of Gibral, through the Straits of Gibraltar, and go out into the ocean and then in the center of the world ocean, there is this island that's the size of, he, he says Libya and Asia combined, which is roughly, he meant the size of the Persian Empire. Well, that's like the size of the continental United States. Where do we have an island that's the size of the continental United States, which is in the center of the world ocean, meaning where the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, and the Indian Ocean all meet in a single ocean? It's the coastline of Antarctica.
>> Yeah. And it shouldn't even be that surprising. I mean, it's the one place that the entire world has come together in agreement that no one's allowed to go. I mean, there's these so many oddities to it, and there's so much evidence that obviously there's something there that they're protecting, you know? I mean, it's it's it couldn't be any more on the nose. Um, you know what I mean? Like, like we can't.
>> Yeah, for sure. For sure. And they know. And that that's why there's the Antarctic Treaty and all that.
>> They don't want us to hurt the ice.
>> I mean, come on.
>> Exactly. Um, and by the way, when Antarctica melts to result in this 300-foot sea level rise, we're going to get Atlantis back.
>> Yeah.
>> It will fall. It will fall. And there are vast cities under that ice, huge megalithic, you know, constructions, extremely high precision like what we see uh at Baalbek with the Baalbek platform in Lebanon or the Osiris at Abydos or uh, you know, you know, Tiwanaku in Bolivia are like small fingerprints, you know, of like this the lost body that was the Atlantean civilization which is going to thaw from out of the ice of Antarctica.
>> Yeah. Um, this reminds me, not too long ago, um, I think in 2024, Iran, just to bring this all full circle, Iran came out and declared that Antarctica was its property and they made headlines. I don't know if you remember this. It was a big deal at the time.
>> Yes.
>> And by the way, you know what else Iran said? Iran said that uh, the US government was secretly controlled by Nordic overlords. They did. They did.
>> I mean, you know, even with Hamid from from Israel has said very similar type things, you know, um about, you know, Trump being in in constant contact with these these aliens and and those kinds of things. But yeah, Iran, so here we go talking about how, you know, the the ancient Persian Empire was probably first started by the remnants and survivors of of Atlantis um that were surviving this this ice age.
>> Yes. Yes. And by the way, Persian Empire is a total misnomer. I mean, this is a term that the Greeks came up with where because the capital, ceremonial capital, by the way, the administrative capital was in Babylon. They took over Babylon. The Iranians took over Babylon and they, you know, they kept it because it was such a cosmopolitan center already of trade and, you know, um crossroads and so forth. They they made that the administrative capital. But because the ceremonial capital was in Parsa, where the ruins of Persepolis are today, uh the Greeks referred to all of Iran as Persis, you know, um the way like when in news reports today we want to refer to Russia and they they say like Moscow announced today that such and such, right? And so the whole thing wound up being called Persia by the Greeks and it stuck in the West. But Iranians have never called their country Persia. uh they've always called it Iran or in the ancient form Ariana. And so the ancient uh empire, the first the Achaemenid empire, its name was Ariana Khshathra, Aryan Imperium. That was its name. The name of the empire that fought the Greeks was Aryan Imperium. And the same name stuck through the entire Parthian period while Iran was fighting the Romans and then it's in the Sasanian period uh during like the late Roman Empire into the uh era of Byzantium when we go from the ancient Iranian language to uh Middle Persian, Pahlavi, and Ariana Khshathra gets shortened into Iran Shah, which was the name of the Sasanian empire, Iran Shah. And that's where we get Iran from in contemporary. So the, and you know, people like Christopher Beckwith have done studies showing that actually the Achaemenid Empire is much more a Scythian administrative structure than it is Persian. And the foundations of it were laid when the Scythians came in and conquered the Medes, the Median Kingdom. The Scythians around about 700 BC came in, they conquered the Median Kingdom and the reshaping of Media by the Scythians really laid the groundwork for what ultimately became the Achaemenid Empire.
>> So someone like me, I don't want to ever be disrespectful to their culture. What should I call when I speak about ancient Iran? Um, can I say ancient Iran or?
>> Yeah, just say ancient Iran. Yeah, ancient Iran.
>> Okay, cool. Um,
>> that's the that's the correct uh Iranian studies, Iranology term is to call it ancient Iran.
>> Perfect. Because I see I mean, there's so much connection there. Obviously, you know, we're tracing back.
>> You don't want to call it Ariana. You don't want to call it Ariana and get the beat out of you. Political correct, you know, uh, you know, cancel culture, thought policing atmosphere that we live in, even though that is in fact what the country was called. But yeah, ancient Iran is good.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not too worried about about any of that. Um, but I appreciate you. Um, I mean, you know, it's it's history and I mean, the the Aryan people, like this is something I've traced back because I'm very interested in it. I didn't realize I'm blonde hair, blue-eyed. I didn't realize how incredibly like rare that is. Like I always just thought I grew up in America like, oh, so many people have blonde hair and blue eyes. It's something like 2% or something of the global population, right? It's it's a very weird thing and it's, it's evidently a very new mutation for humans. It's, you know, um and my wife is a ginger. She has red hair and green eyes and and her whole family heritage goes back to um like the Scandinavian countries. Um her last name is Schwinghammer and um mine's Crowder. I'm German descent. Um, but anyways, so I've I've been interested in that. Um, but also my my strong tie to Atlantis and um just knowing that like, you know, the Atlanteans seem to have gone through, you know, ancient Iran and knowing now I pulled up this article and this is from the Jerusalem Times and this is last year, February 15th, 2024. Iran's Navy commander announced in a televised broadcast that the regime owns Antarctica and will build a military operation in the South Pole. So they obviously there's there's this jockeying for position of Antarctica. I mean, you see it already with the the countries planting their flags, having their little bases. It's almost like they're just like, "There's nothing to do there. It's a complete wasteland." But they're like, "We just want to we want to have our little flag here just in case." You know, the poles flip and and this place thaws out. And then you see Iran being like, "Okay, well, that's ours." You know what I mean? Like and now all of a sudden we're we're attacking Iran and it's like, you know, is is this coincidence? I think not.
Look, um I absolutely detest this regime and I spent many years um in the Iranian opposition and, you know, ultimately um I wound up being defamed and had my academic career destroyed because of risks that I took to further the cause of the Iranian opposition. Uh so while I loathe the Islamic Republic and uh just, you know, really cannot wait to see the day that this regime finally collapses and is replaced by some some legitimately Iranian form of government. Uh it is the case that I think this, you know, the Iranian government is in possession of some very sensitive information. They do have they do have secrets that are threatening to the existing power structure in the world. Uh and so yeah, I I, you know, and it's going to be interesting to see as hopefully this regime is is imminently replaced by another how that is managed because there are things in the vaults there that probably, you know, the powers that be don't want to take the risk that they could get out into the public sphere in in the process of transition.
>> Yeah. It's like whenever Iraq fell, you know, um there's a lot of things in Iraq that that are very important and I don't mean like oil and natural resources. So, um yeah, I'm sure.
>> The Baghdad museum was looted.
>> I hope the same thing doesn't happen in Tehran.
>> Exactly. Yeah. I mean, this is all very important for a lot of reasons. There's so many layers to it. Um well, thank you so much for your insight. I want to before we we we hang up here. Um you have a book coming out and can we talk about that?
>> Yeah.
>> I know that's quite a shift of shift of gears, but um I don't I don't want.
>> I mean, I already I already mentioned it in the course of our conversation a number of times, you know. Um it's a book on uh the afterlife, on basically death and the transition to rebirth. And it covers uh over a century of uh more than a century really since the 1890s um psychical research and what eventually became parapsychology, also Soviet psychotronics research that's relevant to an empirical assessment of the afterlife and the process of transition between death and rebirth. And I also go into all the various religious views on the afterlife. There's one whole chapter that's devoted to religious and occult views of the afterlife, but from a critical perspective of having first assessed the empirical evidence from parapsychology and psychotronics and so forth and then looking back at some of the religious and occult accounts of the afterlife uh both pagan and, you know, Abrahamic and so forth. So, and then the book ends with practical techniques and recommendations of means of asserting greater autonomy and self-determination over um one's navigation of what the Tibetans call the Bardo state, the transitional state.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm so excited to read this book because I'm one of the things that I've always loved about you is is you are a philosopher, you know, and that's that's a word that people toss around lightly, but I mean, I believe that being a true philosopher is is a very incredible thing. There's not a whole lot of them. And um and the way that you're able to because when I when I think about a philosopher, I think about somebody who's more of like a polymath, more, you know, multi-disciplinarian like they're they're not just like an expert in one field. That that makes you a specialist or a scientist. I mean, you have to be able to zoom out and look at things from a very wide angle and make connections and and and derive meaning from things. I mean, at the core of being a philosopher, it's it's about meaning. Like, what is the purpose of this? What is the the bigger meaning here? And um and you do an amazing all your books are incredible. You're an amazing storyteller and and researcher. And this is a topic that I was so excited whenever I found out that you were, you know, approaching this topic because I was like, "Holy cow, dude. Anybody can really just, you know, like look at all of the data because there's so much data and and so much of it is filtered by religious beliefs and and things like that, right?" Um,
>> including new age, including new age religious beliefs, including a lot of sort of hippie-dippy woo-woo new age kumbaya religious beliefs, which I I have to warn people, I go a long way in deconstructing a lot of that in this book. Yeah, as as you should because I mean.
>> Yeah. I mean, new age can have this this toxic positivity to it. Do you know what I mean? Like I I try to not be like I'm I'm optimistic because I had a near-death experience and and I'm on I'm on extra innings right now. You know what I mean? So, I look at life as as a gift. I I shouldn't be here. So, every day I'm just like bonus time, you know? Like, so I'm I'm a happy dude. But but I I don't have this like I try not to have this toxic spiritual positivity to me because I I also I mean I you know I I dive deep into like some very dark things, you know um, you know I I see the duality and I see that, you know, there's two sides of every coin. But um, so when it comes to the afterlife, obviously there's so much, you know, feelings and emotions tied to it and religious undertones and that kind of stuff. But when you, which I'm sure you did, you go into people like Dr. Michael Newton, especially people like Dr. Ian Stevenson, who has probably the most empirical data to back up um the idea that at least reincarnation is an actual thing. You know, that that there is a returning of some sort of semblance of of a a soul or consciousness or or the information from the life before.
>> Totally. I mean, Stevenson's research is impeccable. I mean, it is a monumental feat in the history of parapsychology what that man did over the course of decades at the University of Virginia and of course I get into it, you know, at length and and in depth in in this forthcoming book.
>> Yeah. So, um, what in in all of your research there, what are some of the kind of, you know, not to give too much away, but like conclusions you drew or or most startling things that maybe you discovered that you weren't expecting?
>> That I wasn't expecting?
>> Well, because for example, like Ian Stevenson, he didn't go into this um same with Michael Newton, same with most people that go into this field of study, it kind of happens accidentally. You know, they they stumble upon this stuff. Um Ian Stevenson, you know, was more of like a child psychiatrist and people would bring their children to him and the children were remembering past lives in vivid detail. Um some some details so so that they can track down the past lives and prove it.
>> Yeah. To be perfectly honest, I can't say that I, you know, like sort of stumbled into it and then, you know, made a bunch of unexpected discoveries. uh because I have been essentially addressing this subject since the beginning of my philosophical career. I mean, my first book, Prometheus and Atlas, already I mean, there's a whole title, a whole chapter called The Spectral Revolution and, you know, among other things, it's about like how our understanding of death and our potential navigation of death is going to be totally transformed by mainstream uh scientific recognition of psychic phenomena. So, you know, and then I've come back to it in a number of my other books after that. In my book Prometheism, I have a chap uh these three chapters called The End of Humanity, The End of History, and The End of Reality and um in that whole discussion about the transformative potential of the technological singularity, I also addressed the subject, you know, of like sort of navigation of the afterlife and the transformation of our relationship to death through the development of psychotronic technology. So it's not like uh, you know, what I'm doing in Thanosis is a very a more focused exhaustive examination of the subject, but it's something I've obviously already thought about and to some extent written about for years. Um, I guess the most startling thing that I found in the course of that study. Okay. Yes. I'll give you one example. Um, uh, there was a Russian, I want to make sure I get his name right, you know, uh, because obviously, you know, I'm not a a Russian, but there was a Soviet scientist whose work is covered in um Ostrander's uh uh classic book, Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain. I don't know if you've heard of that book.
>> I have. Psychic.
>> Yeah. So, in Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain, they discussed the work of this Soviet scientist uh on what he called artificial reincarnation. Yeah. Reikov. Um what was his first name? Uh give me one second. Um
>> Artificial reincarnation.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um if you search Reikov artificial reincarnation, it will come up. And essentially what this Soviet scientist did was he was able to so uh deeply hypnotize people or maybe the word mesmerize is more appropriate in this context because the early mesmerists before the modern psychoanalytic practice of hypnosis were much more effective than contemporary hypnotists are. So this guy was like a a a modern, you know, a a modern Soviet mesmerist.
>> Who was able to imprint entire fabricated biographies and personalities onto people who were put into a mesmeric state and make them feel as if they've lived these lives already which they never lived. H.
>> So he called it artificial reincarnation because it left the subject with uh basically total recall of a fake past life. Okay. And the point of this was therapeutic. What it would do is cure people of certain phobias, give them abilities that they never trained. Like for example, you could imprint the personality profile and biography of a virtuoso violinist on a person in a mesmeric state and they found that this person when they came out of the mesmeric state was suddenly an expert violin player without ever having learned the skill.
>> Okay, this I found shocking and it really was very thought-provoking to me like what are the implications of that?
>> Yeah.
>> If it's possible to implant, you know, makes you think of like a Philip K. Dick novel with false memories being put in people's minds, right?
>> Like the backstory that the replicants are given in.
>> Blade Runner syndrome but in a more intentional, deliberate, programmed way.
>> Yes. So, it's yeah, it's disturbing because then you wonder, you know, like if you could do that telepathically at a distance to somebody, could you implant false past life memories in them to manipulate them?
>> Yeah, that's fascinating. There's there's always been this technological feel and vibe from the afterlife, especially when you go into like say Dr. Michael Newton's books and you know he had you know 7,500 case studies or something like that. Um and when they people talk about especially like what they call the Hall of Destiny, which is like where you kind of select your next character for your next lifetime. It they describe it in this way that has a very techno-futuristic vibe to it. You know, like a a ceiling of of projection screens and a dial on the wall that you're scrolling through and these kinds of things. And obviously these could just be metaphorical, you know, kind of symbolism that the people are getting in that that state that they're in. Um, but I don't know. There's some there's a weird techno vibe to the afterlife.
>> Yeah. I don't think it's metaphorical. I think it's part of a psychotronic control system.
>> Yeah. Is that kind of the conclusion you came to? I mean, obviously.
>> Wait, that guy's name is Vladimir Reikov. Vladimir Reikov. Soviet psychotronics 19 uh was it 70s during the 1960s or 70s that he did these studies.
>> Huh. So I mean if so say this is kind of a technological control system um then obviously being privy to it and knowledgeable about it is is step one to um kind of balancing the the power and ever trying to even Robert Monroe um, you know, he wasn't roses and rainbows like he had a lot of dark stuff and and he talked about like his his higher self, his soul group that he would reconvene with um trying to reach this escape velocity um trying to escape this this earth life um experience here and um that they were trying like over lifetime after lifetime. He actually had, craziest thing, he had a a dual life here on Earth. His consciousness was streamed into his body here and a woman's body that worked for the the Soviet Union government and he con he doesn't talk about this. There's one video where he's he's doing this um Monroe Wednesdays or something and it's back in the 70s or early 80s and he he talks about it one time. I've only found it one time where he talks about his soul was actually in a different human on Earth and that they were both working towards the same goal and that he was told not to contact her and he did and they found out that American who was connected to the CIA had contacted her and the KGB paid her a visit and no one ever heard from her again or he didn't hear from her again. I don't know the background of the story but it was a completely innocent thing. He was just trying to reach out because it was almost like a a soul sister kind of a thing but evidently it was caused a lot of problems but just kind of a fascinating story but um
>> it's a it is a fascinating and disturbing story that uh connects very well to things that I have seen and know to be true and in fact there's a part of my new book where I I do get into this of um cases is of the reincarnation of a single person in two people simultaneously. What you would call psychic twins.
>> And uh I interpret this as more evidence for the fact that the soul is a an informational structure like a a a file that can be copied in a computer system, right? And so the fi a file can be copied any number of times. uh it can also experience degradation or corruption in the course of being copied right or transferred. Uh so yes, there are these bizarre cases. So I go both into cases of the reincarnation of a single person into two people simultaneously and cases of multiple people reincarnating into a single body which is otherwise known as possession. Right? Uh possession. So the whole distinction between reincarnation and possession is problematized and investigated uh in a whole chapter of this book, Thanosis. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I can't wait to read it. Um I mean, you know, people so many people, especially in the kind of ufology, they talk about how aliens and different beings will will call humans vessels or containers, you know, and people argue over well, containers for what? Um but it's very obvious that, you know, this is a container. It's it's a vessel. It's a vehicle. um for a stream of consciousness. But what is that stream of consciousness? Well, it seems to be like an information packet. It seems to be, you know, and if everything is if this is a computational cosmos, if everything is information based, well, information is information. I mean, it's as above so below, we can see how information systems are on Earth and we can kind of derive, okay, well, they're going to be similar in the cosmos, you know, at a at a macro scale. Um, so it shouldn't be too it's not too startling to me like these revelations. um they make sense to me because I look at the world in that kind of computational way. You know, people don't want to think that because everything's biological here. But like I said, this is a temporary, you know, attachment here. um the actual base level reality is going to be information based. And of course, if people can hack that, can manipulate it, have figured out the inner workings of it, if if AI, obviously it's going to be infinitely more intelligent than us, has figured out ways to to hack and manipulate that, you know, yeah, you have a problem, right? Because that's the fundamental, that is what's real. That information-based part is what's real. This isn't real. This is temporary. So, it's very fascinating. The afterlife, I mean, people talk about aliens in the afterlife and that connection. I mean, I look at the afterlife as just non-physical. That's just that's where we we shed the biological part and we go back to our roots of of information in non-physical form.
Well, the listen, the worst case from the annals of uh abduction uh data that um is both a close encounter and also a sort of afterlife realm account is the case of Betty Andreasson Luca, which I go into in Closer Encounters and I come back to it again in Thanosis. And it's it's really bad, man. I'm sorry, but uh she was abducted by these Grays who froze her family. And they take her somewhere underground or underwater where she meets these beautiful tall Nordic people who say that they're the angels. And they say that the little Grays work for them. And the purpose of the little Grays is to observe people clandestinely. and basically create a log of all their deeds so that presumably it can be played back to you after you're dead. And she said that there was a huge mirror and she saw a light emanating from this mirror and the Nordics told her that light is God and it sent Jesus into the world and don't worry, he's going to be coming back again soon and you can't go in there. You're not ready to go in there yet. Um, but you did see the Grays floating into this thing, this like >> mirror portal thing toward this light. And um anyway, uh Oh, yeah. And then they took I think they also took her to witness them extracting somebody's soul while he was dying in a hospital. And the Grays were handling it. And they said, "Yeah, you know, this is how we do this. We send uh, you know, these entities and they like uh help convey, you know, a person to like where we process them and whatever." And one of the things that, you know, became very clear to me throughout my investigation of the near-death experience literature and yeah, mainly the near-death experience literature, but also some of the, you know, astral projection uh kind of experiences that people have have had is that this light that people see after they die, it's a trap.
>> It's a soul trap. It's like a some kind of electromagnet. It's very hard to resist it. People feel pulled toward it and into it. And when they go into it, they almost inevitably see either dead long-deceased family members and/or religious authority figures like Jesus and Krishna or whatever. Okay? Generally tailored to the person's belief system. And I make a point in Thanosis that look, this thing is a charade. It is a it is a masquerade. It is a manipulation. Uh, above all, because if your if your grandmother died when you were 10 and you're now seeing your dead grandmother as you're dying when you're 90, your dead grandmother reincarnated a long time ago. Mhm.
>> Stevenson's research, Helen Wambach's research on reincarnation, all the best empirical study of reincarnation shows that generally the transitional period between death and rebirth is a few years at most. Anything anywhere from like 12 months or so, you know, 12 to 18 months to like three years or so, something like that. Something in that general ballpark.
>> Yeah. The idea that somebody would hang around in the afterlife to greet their relative for like 60 years is preposterous. Those are simulacra and they're being used.
>> Yeah. They're being used to manip manipulate people just the way that the images of Jesus Christ and other things that people see, religious authority figures and so forth in the afterlife are being used to manipulate people. And they're being and the the manipulators are these bastard Nordics who Betty Andreasson Luca, you know, describes and who who claim to her that they're the angels. Well, I mean, they are the angels. They are. They're the Elohim.
>> Yeah. You know, it's funny. So, like in Robert Monroe's books, his conclusion of all this was that your soul comes in here kind of harmlessly. Um, and then it gets addicted. And the more you spin around, you go through these these reincarnation cycles, you accumulate particles. you weigh yourself down. Um, and you also get stuck in these belief systems and he called it belief system territory. And that those were places where fragments of you, you're fragmented every time you come in. Um, get stuck and you can't leave. This is according to him. You can't leave until your soul is complete, until you have all the pieces of you. And it becomes this almost like never-ending, almost impossible endeavor to rescue all these pieces out of these belief system belief system territories. And that that's why it's hard to actually fully leave. You know, that's what he called escape velocity and that you're you go on these soul retrieval missions as a higher self. He even created a whole program at the Monroe Institute called Lifelines, which you can go in and and kind of extract your own pieces out of these belief system territories. It's incredibly fascinating. But he looked at it as that was not a natural part of the the system. like someone along the way, something along the way changed things and and manipulated um and and distorted things. It's like a virus and that that's not how the system was originally intended, but that's how it is set up now. And that's why we get stuck here. So, it's not necessarily a soul trap by design. It's kind of a soul trap by like infection.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. What? Look, what renders you vulnerable to being soul-trapped are precisely the convictions.
>> Your investment in these belief systems is what's going to be used to manipulate you. And the more unconditioned your mind is and the more conscious really uh lucidly perceptive and discerning you are the more likely it is you're going to be able to avoid these lures and navigate the Bardo state with greater self-determination and autonomy, which, you know, I think was the basic intent, let's say, of the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Uh whether or not all the details are, you know, have high fidelity or not.
>> Yeah. And here here's something that that kind of brings us together in sort of a positive way. Um so Tom Campbell, do you know who Tom Campbell is?
>> Uh I haven't uh read his work, but I know who he is.
>> Okay. Um so he was one of the original engineers and scientists at the Monroe Institute. um amazing guy. He's he's actually a NASA physicist by trade. um but has an incredible, you know, I've I've met him many times and and spent time with him. He has an incredible ability to to be in the non-physical state more than the physical state and to do it in this analytical way to where he's like a scientist. He tries to do repeatable things to to prove things, whatever. One of his biggest um kind of aha moments or or like oh moments was when he was early in his astral travel days and and he's a scientist so he goes at everything in an analytical point of view is he thought when he was going to be in the non-physical he thought like say when he goes and and meets with his whatever you want to call it his higher self, his his whatever um that in that non-physical state he would have this advanced knowledge and understanding of things that he would just know things that he doesn't know that here on Earth, we're limited and we're kind of restrained, right? And that when you're in that state, you're going to be more free and expansive and have this understanding. And what he realized was that your understanding on the other side is tied to your your knowledge and understanding here that it carries over and that one of the reasons you come here and one of the biggest benefits of being benefits or detriments because if you come here and you get indoctrinated and you come here and you fall into this these belief systems, you go over there and you carry it with you and you're stuck. So if you come here and you become enlightened, you come here, you become knowledgeable, you come here and you become uncontrollable, you carry that with you too. And I think that's a very important thing for people to realize that what you do here carries over.
>> Absolutely. And and that's where I end the book actually. That is that is how uh this new book comes to a culmination.
>> Perfect. Maybe that's how we should end our talk.
>> Absolutely. It's been fantastic. a real pleasure and uh, you know, I look forward to many off thereord conversations with you as well, Jordan.
>> Absolutely. I mean, I've you've been a big part of my journey for years. You don't know it. Um just like you don't know that there's tons of people out there that share the same sentiment. Um you are helping people and you are guiding and leading people. Um keep being you because you're a badass. There's there's no one else in the world like you. And um this was everything that I hoped it would be. I had a blast and I can't wait to talk to you again and thank you so much for your time, Mr. Jason Reza Gorjani.
>> Thank you, sir.
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