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The Department of Justice's recent release of millions of pages of documents related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein has now led to a wave of resignations and scrutiny over high-profile executives around the world.
This is a massive cover up being led by the White House and the DOJ. A selective release. We've seen this consistently.
Model castings of all kinds. There's something deeply up with you. Do you think you're the devil?
I don't know. Why would you say that? Hey true crime besties. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serlessly. Hello. Hello. Well, hello. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serlessly with me, your host, Annie Eliss. And today, we've got a little bit different of an episode. You know, usually we do headline highlights on Thursdays where we talk about everything happening in true crime, case updates, things like that. But when I tell you, okay, the amount of DMs and comments and emails that I have been receiving over the past gosh, maybe five weeks, when are you going to talk about Epstein files? When are you going to talk about this? When are you going to talk about that? What about Epste? What about Epstein? And I'm going to be honest with you, I haven't had time to go through two or three million pages of files. I'm not going to act like I have. However, I know a lot of you want to know what the hell is going on with the Epstein files. So today we are doing a deep dive into the Epstein files. I have my Diet Coke right here and ready because it is going to be a long one. And I look, I don't pretend to know what I don't know. And so I'm not going to act like I'm the expert in all things Epstein and the files and the emails and the wayfair of it all, the pizza of it all. But that's why I have somebody here to help today.
Now, before we get into the episode, I do want to give a warning. The material we are covering today is especially dark. It's a bit graphic and it is not an easy episode to listen to. I also want to mention for those of you watching this on YouTube, you may want to, even if you're a video watcher, you may want to pop over and listen to the podcast version instead because the podcast version will be completely uncensored. Whereas, you know, in order to get it up on YouTube, we have to pull out and mute and censor a lot. So, you may want to go pop over to the podcast to listen to that. And as a reminder, everything included in today's episode is alleged. There has been no prosecution for any of these crimes or for any of these accusations. Do your own research, form your own opinions. And you guys might be familiar with her maybe on Instagram, Tik Tok, podcasting. I've had her here as a special guest before. But joining me today is somebody who has been covering everything relating to Epstein, the dirty things that have, you know, gone on, the allegations. She has been working directly with Congress as well on the Epstein files. She is a forensic psychologist, knows everything there is to know about this. So, please join me in welcoming Dr. Leslie Doppson. Hi.
Thanks. Thanks for being here. I'm I'm excited to have the space to talk about it. Well, I know you've been like all over Instagram, which you guys have to go check out her Instagram if you haven't already because you are posting so much on there and exposing so much. And it's great hearing it from your point of view. I mean, you've been in this industry. You've worked with the worst of the worst. You are partnering with Congress. You have the files. Like your take is so incredibly important.
So, I appreciate you being here. It's wild because, you know, on Tik Tok, you know, I don't know what was going on. Tik Tok got overtaken. I don't know. They got like bought out or there was some weird thing where now everything is being filtered, right? Yeah. But then I I go on I do a little video about Epstein and the suctioning of baby's mouths, which we'll get into. Um, and it's at six million views because people want to know. I think that's the thing. And that's where I'm at, too. I can explain it. Yeah. I mean, I It's dark though.
It's very dark. But I think it's like, and I'm just going to speak for myself, and maybe this is going to come across the wrong way, but whatever. I'm going to just speak my truth. I've known about all of the Epstein stuff and like, you know, the allegations, accusations for years. All of us have. But when the files finally started being released and we were actually seeing things in black and white, there were certain things that I saw that to your point were so dark that I was almost kind of like this is too unbelievable to even be real. But then and which I'm not trying to doubt the authenticity, not at all. I believe it's real because then when you start looking into it, it is real. There is validation in a lot of those things. And so I've been debating if I wanted to ever go near Epstein Island with all of this because you know it's like you get flagged, you get shadowbanned, you get opinions and it very quickly turns political and I just really want to know the truth and I think so many people do. It is dark. It's scary to go there, but like what is truly happening? Who's involved? And like what you know what the hell is going on? So I guess that's the best place to start. if you could break down to us like based on everything that you're seeing, what are some of the biggest things in those files that you have been able to confirm and validate as being real and not conspiracy?
I mean, I think if if we look at it as an umbrella, there's many ways to look at it, right? This is massive, but this is an international moneyaundering uh probably drug definitely sex child organization. it is international. Um, if people didn't seek out to be a part of Epstein's world, then he would seek them out because of their power, their money, their wealth, and he would then use them. He preferred I mean, there's tons of stuff about how he he was super into fertility. He wanted to make like the perfect person, the perfect gene. And there's this is why we have all these doctors named in the files. Doctors that are still teaching right now at Harvard and Princeton and UCLA. Disgusting. In these emails to him talking about ways for him to meet his mission, which was that he wanted to basically spread his seed sick. His seed is still in a cryochamber. There are last year there were receipts that they're being paid for. They're still there embryos. So if he just wanted to procreate and like make a bunch of Epstein all over the world that and he also had these he was weird.
Yeah. I mean yeah he was he was just weird, right? But he also had these ideas of like youth and like longevity and shape-shifting and that's where you get into these conspiracies. But literally in these emails he's asking these doctors about what is the potential for this to happen? You know can I um freeze myself? Can I live longer? or how can I use these amazing doctors to benefit these kind of conspiracy theories that he wanted, right? Um, one of them and it has not been substantiated, but the one that I have been really focused on has been cannibalism and my focus is because I've worked with cannibals. Like I know cannibals. I've done violence risk assessments on them. We study cannibals in our in serial killers, right?
Which actually I want to pause really quick. Can you explain to the listeners because I'm familiar with cannibalism because of certain true crime cases I've covered and psychologically what motivates people to do that cuz I think from an outsers's point of view they're like oh they are just they are sickos that like the taste of flesh which that's not necessarily always the reason. Sometimes it's like a consumption piece of it. So can you explain from based on your work with cannibals what it is that typically or usually more times than not motivates someone to go down that avenue?
Um, you know, you could probably break it up into three different cannibals. One is more that sadistic they want to hurt. Um, and the reward is eating the body or the flesh. Um, one is more that they're psychotic and they're ingesting like in a lot of our serial killers, they're ingesting um the person because they feel like they can belong or be a part of that person or they have an internalized friend almost. Mhm. Um, and then you've got the Jeffrey Epstein cannibalism, which is which there are books about this for hundreds of years, right? Elite people dining on human beings, ordering them. Usually, you don't see it in America, right? It's kind of like, we have movies about this, but they're ordering human meat and it's considered like a delicacy.
It's a delicacy, right? It's the caviar of fish. It's venison. Um, and what over time we've had these conspiracy theories of Pizzagate, like that pizza means children. And we have all these different words that people use. And I have lots of lists I can always provide anyone who wants them. As you go through all of these emails, you see around 2010 2012 when the pizza gate was really becoming active and like people were talking about it. The code words in the emails, literal emails of Epstein and Bill Gates, like these are known entities starting to talk about jerky.
Yeah. And so and then they're talking about the intestines of babies. They're talking about cream cheese. They're talking about the taste of of formula or breast milk within the intestines of babies. Mhm. And so you literally I think the most obscene part of all of this is you have these names that you once thought were so incredible writing these I have to say like major typos and major grammatical errors as well.
Yeah, I was going to say some of the emails I'm saying like what's with the equal sign everywhere and like what's the conversion? I think that's the what's going on here? Can it bill bill billionaire is not type? I just can't figure it out for you. No, I think that's the um the conversion that the FBI used the software they use. Okay. Um, I don't think it's any type of a code. Okay. Um, but what you will see is you'll see a famous person's name and then you'll see a preference like baby, minor, teen. And are they outright saying the age or are they using code through the because what I had heard and you tell me if this is true or not that going back to the pizzagate conspiracy that now people are starting to think that there was actually validity in that that it wasn't just a conspiracy and that when they would order call it a small medium or large the inch size based on the diameter of the pizza really equates to the age of whoever they're trying to order so to speak.
I think it's both and it could be the age of who they wanted to. So, it's also the the sexual offenses, right? Like, and I don't know, it's what's not clear to you is did they say what they want or was Epstein and the people working for him thinking this is what this individual would like should they come? Okay. Because he prayed upon very rich, famous people as well.
So, that kind of brings me to my next point. you said that early on is that he would pray with the powerful, the wealthy because it was almost as though he wanted to extend favors or luxuries to them so that then he would have leverage over them. I think that's how he ended up becoming the hedge fund guy or whatever he was of that one guy. He became really friendly with Wexler, the guy who owned what was it Limited 2 or the Limited? Yeah. And so bec people and rub elbows with them and be like, "Hey, come to my party. Come to my island. do this or then sneak in. Here's this underage girl. Here's this now I have leverage over you. Give me all of your financials. I'm going to manage your portfolio now and things like that.
Yeah. Okay. So, that was kind of his mo. He was grooming them. Yeah. Um, but I think they were using him and they didn't care and they were horrible, disgusting people. And then you have, you know, I I like to say, you know, we can't make it's not everyone, right? It's not everyone that's involved. We can't generalize small moments, right? But a lot of people were forcing themselves on young young girls. We have pictures of babies. We have pictures of a girl that she probably looks seven or eight.
People were sending in photos hoping that Jeffrey Epstein would take them. Oh my gosh. I mean, these we're we're talking about, you know, orphanages. We're talking about parents literally reaching out. We're talking about our our own kids getting their photographs at school. Oh. Through Life Touch and that being sold to the Epstein estate.
So, can you break that down? Cuz I I'm not sure if everybody who's listening or watching this is familiar with that, but it's the company Life Touch. They used to take my school pictures when I was in middle school. They are like a huge company. It's like the Mecca that goes to all the schools and takes all the photographs of the kids. And what happened with Life Touch?
Well, so and this is where people are people will fight back all the time. They're going to say conspiracy conspiracy. And what people mean by conspiracy is you're linking too many things together that aren't related, right? We can't link it all together. We can link this. Leon Black owned all of these companies. These they were sending the photos. There are receipts and payments. They were sending the photos of all the kids that Life Touch took pictures of the yearbooks to Epstein. Now, what did they do with them? We don't know, right? A lot of it's redacted. My assumption is that they were offered as a menu of gender and race and looks because again, Epstein wanted certain people to reproduce and certain ones not to, but he also wanted to offer a menu to people for the type of person or the type of child they wanted to abuse. And then was Gain like the curator of that and the gatekeeper?
So with Galain she was actively I mean she she did a TED talk like okay on water but she was actively driving around oftentimes with Juan one of the house managers and she was looking for young girls teenagers. I mean they they didn't adolescence. I mean she wasn't like straight up looking for babies right? Um, and she was inviting them in to model and to come to the island and then that's when they would be offered these careers doing the massages and doing Yeah. where it would then start escalating. They were in the fold and it would go and I think that's what a lot of us had heard years ago back when he was first thrown into prison and when everything happened. But that's nothing compared to what we see now.
Well, and so I was going to ask, I know you're working with Congress on some of this and as of just last week things are getting unredacted. Have you seen some of the unredacted documents? Yeah. And what does that some of that illustrate that the highest people in our government and our administration and almost every other country are named and involved as well.
So why is nobody being arrested because it's only accusations in America? What do you mean? Other countries are arresting people. They are. Yes. So who's being arrested in other countries? um the the sultan who was responsible for the email like did you her um he I don't know if he's actually being arrested yet but he stepped down from being his what billionaire financeier um a pilot in a different country I can't remember all the countries was arrested taken straight off the airplane oh um but what's happening which I think is fascinating is that if our US government won't fully unredact things other countries will because they can still subpoena the same Epstein estate that we did. And there are a lot of people in the United States who have been stepping down as of the last couple of weeks. It was like the CEO of Chuck-E-Cheese. He stepped down. And look, I think that, and you may have touched on this a little bit too, you have to pick and choose what is re not that's the wrong way. Not what is real in the files, but also like what somebody's level of involvement and knowledge was because just because somebody is named in an email, if they were invited to a party or an event, doesn't mean necessarily that they knew the inner workings, that they even went to the event. And I think sometimes we're in a place where so many people say like if your name pops up once you must have known where it's like no he knew everyone he was inviting everyone. However that being said there are a lot of threads where it's like there is direct involvement. And if people are willingly stepping down and not pushing back and saying well I didn't know anything this and that. Obviously there is some level in my opinion at least of guilt in that. Otherwise, if I if somebody like if my name showed up in one email where they were like, "Annie, do you want to come to a movie premiere?" Like, "Epstein's inviting you from like 2016, which would have been post first conviction and I wouldn't have gone." But just throwing it out there. And if I was like, "Yeah, I'll go." Or, "No, I won't go." That wouldn't necessarily mean I had direct knowledge of what was going on in his house, the parties, the island. Again, that was postconviction, so that could be argued 100%. But my point is, I don't think anyone who has ever crossed path paths with him at some point necessarily knows the extent of what was truly going on. That feels like not that it was a select few because I think it was way more than a select few but it does feel like it's more of a bubble kind of.
Yeah. I mean I think everyone knew he was a sex offender but that also doesn't mean that I mean we just had Mike Tyson on Netflix doing a fight. I mean he's a sex offender. Like I there are so many people that we still platform as sex offenders. It's just become okay, right? um we have sexual allegations against our own president. Like it so it's normalized in a sense where people would then think it's not a big deal to attend, right? But it's it's the people that were going and that were asking for things or asking to go again or asking what the dinner menus were going to be. And there is a lot of like as we move forward in the post202 I think there's a lot more coding and code words that are put in because people knew eyes were on him and they didn't want to be caught. So let's talk about some of that. And for those of you who are only listening to this episode and not watching, Dr. Leslie brought her computer. She's got it fully up in front of her. She's got all of her information, all of her documents. So, let's walk through what some of the big takeaways are that everybody is talking about that I know you have posted about that are kind of and warning. This is very graphic and it gets very dark and unsettling, but what are some of these big things now that have been uncovered since this release?
And I say this with I'm a forensic psychologist. I I base my entire world in research and science. I add 50 to 150 articles to prove things before I say them. Right? And so when I say these things, it's because I've seen the patterns of behavior occur throughout history, throughout research, and now in well, I've probably gone through hundreds of thousands of these emails. I've turned I've converted the images all into videos myself. Um, I've been trying to just learn how to hack this [ __ ] I've lined up with hackers who are helping me. You know, they put all the files into what they call a Jmail and so you can search the files easier now. Um, we have all caught the DOJ taking files down that were once up and everyone's kind of curious why. They definitely underestimated the capacity of of all of us and what we were capable of doing with their poor redactions. Because if you remember the original redactions, you could just copy and paste the PDF into a word and the black box went off and you could see all the names. Well, now they didn't do that. So now you can't take the black box off, but some people actually can. Yeah, there's to so much software and tools out there that you can. Absolutely. And then they have all these images up, but the images you literally pull up on justice.govstein, you've got the EFTA number and it has dot PDF. take out PDF and put in MP4. It turns into a video. One in particular will be the video of the night he died. Really? It is cut. There is about 23 seconds missing.
Okay. So, we are and I I do know that there was a piece of the a chunk of the video missing and I remember that from quite a while ago. Let me ask you this and this part I just want to be clear with everybody is we're going into conspiracy land for just one second just for this question and then we'll go back to reality. Do you think that Epstein is alive? Yeah, you do. I do. I know a lot of people think he's in Israel right now. Um I saw those pictures. I don't really know. He did have a plastic surgeon which is in the records coming frequently to his uh estate after 2016. So I don't know why was a plastic surgeon there. He did have medical issues. Someone said there was a tumor. He had doctors coming often. Okay. So, was he changing his face? I I don't know. At this Well, he would have had to change his face face after release or after the death, which again, like it sounds crazy to some people, but it's not it's not impossible. It's certainly is not impossible when you have that many powerful people trying to cover something up to scoot someone away. Although, you would hope that like you just kill him and be done. And if that were the case, like why isn't Gain right? Dead because she's our fall girl.
Well, and I want to get into all of that because I know she's pleading the fifth and like when I saw that video last week, I lost my mind. Just like the arrogance on her when she refuses to talk and it's because she's working out her own sweet deal. I get it. I get how it all works, but it's just like it is unbelievable to me. I just want street justice to take wind. Yeah. And that's why I think you say, you know, this isn't political. Like the biggest proponent for locking her up right now is Nancy Mace. I think she's very conservative, right? This is hitting once they are seeing the actual files. I mean, a lot of the Congress people have been like, I don't know if I'm going to look. I don't know if I have time. They don't even know what the hell they're doing yet. They're voting on stuff related to this. They're voting, but they don't they haven't even taken a moment to look. So, it's not political in a sense that it's Democratic versus Republican. It's more just this kind of um cultish group that doesn't want to believe what is actually out there to be seen cuz it's too dark to believe I think for a lot of people and it's too unbelievable. But you made a good point and I've seen a couple people on social media say that too. They're saying like it's not even about right and left anymore. It's about like humankind and doing the right thing and holding the people accountable who did the wrong thing and coming together in that way and not having such division which maybe that's just a fairy tale for right now but hopefully somewhere maybe it will bring us all together. Maybe it will.
So sorry I sidetracked a little bit. Let's go back a bit. So what are some of the biggest bombshell findings that you have seen in the files that you have uncovered? Yesterday was pretty monumental for me and I know some people have already covered it but I read the journal entry of one of the victims and it basically is it's a little bit of poetry. It's written in she has it written in code um but she basically describes over a short period of time pregnant three times and describes each time um the baby was forced out of her one baby was 4 pound 10 ounces. Um she it did not seem like she was in delivery. It seemed like they were inducing her. Um she described it as having to to you know when your tummy hurts and you have to push. She used the word tummy. Just baby. Yeah. And so she described, you know, basically it didn't work out the first time and Epstein was really mad. There was a lot of screaming and he said, "Don't worry, we'll get it done in a couple months." And then she said, "He was right in a couple months." There were two pink lines. Oh my gosh. So he was doing IVF or these girls and probably a lot of others. So that that was horrifying to me. And then the part that really got me was that Maxwell was there the whole time covering her eyes saying, "Don't look." But each time she did look and she would see the baby's hand or the baby's foot. Oh my god. And she said that she would hear the baby cry. Now, this is the part where you can say it's conspiracy or not. I don't know. Each time these girls were allowed to hold the baby for 10 or 15 minutes and give them the initial what do we call it? Breast milk. What? Um like latching the colostrum. Yeah, colostrum. Why were they allowed to hold that baby for 10 to 15 minutes and then the baby was taken and they never saw the baby again? Where are all these babies is a really good question.
Yeah. So that's where you get into this idea of well there are many books on cannibalistic rituals of that being a very um I don't know very hormonal very it can give you youth if you eat intestines when that what is it called again colostrum is present in the intestines also so we have that but also we have we have abortion-like rooms everywhere jeep everywhere epste was we have abortion specialists, doctors, and this is proven. Oh, yes. The emails are when they're coming. I need you. The emails change over time. The names are are in line. Um she names uh Dr. M. There's a Dr. Mark Landon that was brought to the island frequently. He's a fertility specialist. Um the names all line up. Virginia Duffrey said in her book that he was absolutely obsessed with fertility. you know, he still has his cryochamber and his sperm active today. Um, but what changes a lot is that they start asking to go to the dentist a lot and then the dentist starts to come to them and everyone needs a dental cleaning and he wants to see photos before and after the dentist. These are abortions.
Now, and this sounds again so so wild, right? But in my experience 20 years with criminals, these are words they use. They don't they know, right? Well, you've worked with some of the worst of the worst. And for I know we didn't do a ton of your background in the beginning of this episode, but just to give the listeners a little bit of context, too, you have worked with some of the worst sex offenders out there. You've worked in the prison systems. You have been on so many court cases. I mean, so this is something that you have seen and lived with and worked with for years in your everyday life and your husband as well. Yeah. Yeah. And I've consulted with the FBI. I've consulted with with CIA. U I worked in DC. Um I also have the ability to say this is too far. This is too conspiracy, right? So will you kind of self-regulate and check yourself when you're like going on a path once you're reading all these files? I would imagine sometimes you start going down the rabbit hole a little bit and you're like, "Oh, I need to check myself like it's going too far." Are you able to like catch yourself pretty quickly with that?
Yeah. And it's because things are so my level of realism is very different than other people because I have literally sat and talked to a guy who had brain matter in his pocket. What? Like that was just I had a a therapy session with a guy in prison and he had killed his cellmate and he thought that literally that was the way to hide it. This the part of the brain that had splurged out and he just had it in his pocket. Yeah. But you know prison guard like they're thin, right? Yeah. I literally thought he was orgasming. Wait, hold on. Okay, hold on. Wait, hold on. Hold the on. Okay. He had brain matter in his pocket. Why did you think he was orgasming? Cuz he was like Cuz I could see the moisture starting to Oh. Oh. to bleed. I see. Or not bleed, but you saw like liquid in his pants. Yeah. Got Okay. I thought you meant like by his m God. Okay. No, he wasn't a I couldn't see his penis or anything, but he that I could see moisture like on on his thin um khaki outfit and um he went back to his cell and it it was a very like shallow superficial like I'm not sure what happened. I'm not going to call him out. It's not entirely safe to call anyone out. Yeah. And then um well they just came and um handcuffed him because he had just killed a cellmate.
So you've seen it all like Yeah. So, but what criminals know that they need to hide? Yeah. So, they use code word, they do things, which that's kind of another question and I'm actually going to put on my notepad to ask you after because I don't want to derail too much. So, you had said there were these termination rooms there were where are these babies? Then that leads us into the cannibalism piece of it. How people not only view it as a delicacy, but that you will have not not like you know unlimited life but like it will enhance your life. it will you'll be an enlightened being almost like a cult or something if you consume that right it's um you know what is it called adrenochrome like he he was these researchers are I mean they're incredible researchers right they are teaching at Princeton and Harvard and UCLA um but he was using them for dark things and now do they know that did they know right I don't know um but one of the biggest things was that when you eat usually when you eat raw human brain there's uh a virus you can get the bacteria I think is called pron okay and it gives you this is where you can call me a conspiracy theorist I don't know prove me wrong it gives you a disease called kuru k u r you okay now the doctor that was frequently coming who taught at Harvard and had his assistant who's now a worldrenowned um professor at Princeton he wrote an article in 1998 on prons and guru and his primary focus was trying to slow down the the degeneration of the brain when you have these when you have Alzheimer's when you have diseases like this but the argument could be that he was studying the brain and he just wanted to know the effects rather than he took part in anything but then coincidentally he was frequently going to the island and working with Epstein. Yes. Got it. And then you have other doctors to the point of inviting Epstein over when they knew their children were having sleepovers and and across the world, other countries as well. So it's deciphering how much did people know. This is why we need everyone to testify. Yeah. We we need to hold them accountable.
But I guess that's my question too. Just sidebaring. Do you think that people will ever be held accountable here? Yes. Okay. I'm starting to think so because because there's 3,000 billionaires in this world. How many I mean by the same it seems like a lot of them are involved by the looks of it. Yeah. How many of us are there? Well, and that I feel like that's kind of going back too to where everybody's becoming this united front a little bit, wanting to expose the dark and demanding it. Yeah.
Okay. So, let's go back to some of the biggest bombshells that you have found in the files. What else do we have? I think the I don't know what words to use. I don't want to like get everything completely banned, but No, you can use it. Um, there was a professor teaching Epstein how to get babies to suck harder and that if you keep them dehydrated and hungry, their suction is harder. And those babies were being given to these men and the men were orally them. This is proven. This is written in the email in the files. Yeah. Who's this professor? Oh, I don't uh wait. Okay, we can you can Google it in a second. So, a professor was saying that by dehydrating the baby, withholding food, withholding liquid, it's going to they're of course because they're going to be emaciated and they're going to be dying for thirst and food and sustenance that they would then suck harder. So, then they would do that. You're saying, are you saying that they would do that to babies? And then pass these babies to these predators. Yes. And there's one professor who I think it might be the UCLA one. Um, and they've been they've been protesting at UCLA. Um, Mark Trammo who I think he was the one the email says they will suck more vigorously. These are actual emails. Um, and he also said if you play the voice of the mother they will suck more. Oh my god. Yeah, that's real. That literally is written.
Let me come in as devil's advocate for just a minute here. And I don't even know% I welcome it. I don't even know if there's a way to if there's an entry point for that. What else could he be explaining that for? Um, why else would anybody need to know that? I mean, he was a a baby specialist, so maybe to to help maybe could the argument be teaching women to breastfeed better? Well, I was just going to say, could the argument be that and but were these emails to Epstein? Yes. Okay. Because after they had after these people had been on the island. Okay. Because like and tell me if I'm expl if this is a correct scenario or if there's no way this would work out. If I were someone who just gave birth and I was h struggling with breastfeeding and latching, my baby also wouldn't take a bottle and I was, you know, losing it. And I reached out to this specialist and said, "Hey, what can I do?" And they're like, "Dehydrate them. They'll suck harder. They'll latch. They want to hear your voice." Those things all track. Yeah. Why they would need to route that message through Epstein to me? Is there any world in which why that would happen? years after he was a known sexual predator. And like he wasn't in these emails saying, "Hey, give Jane this tip or advice." It was just to Epstein. Yeah. For Epste to have that. A lot of the names are redacted. So it could have been other people. Okay. Epste's name I don't really think is redacted. Yeah. No. Anywhere. Yeah. Um, but there people were CCD onto these messages.
So he was he was receiving this at some point and and replying and replying there. Wow. there. The when people say like three million just dumped, it's literally like one email like um like a couple sentences. A couple sentences thread, right? And then you'll get the next file is going to be the reply with the first one. The next one's going to be the next reply with the first two. So, it's not like three million individual. It's not It is a lot, but it's not that threads and like the whole sequence of everything. If you can get to the bottom of each thread of each email and have the whole email, then your time is used better. And that's where AI is coming in to do this for us. Um, but yeah, no, they they are corresponding back and forth. And that's in writing. Imagine what they're talking about on the phone. I mean, well, and that Okay, so that was kind the question I wrote down that I was actually going to table for later is like, what morons are putting all of this in email? I mean, that that sounds seems crazy to me. Yeah. If you're trying to be so secretive and use code words and all this, like why not have the conversations in person? I get it. Maybe not over the phone because of why you're tapping and recording, but like emails that's a digital footprint. Like what are you even thinking? But like we love to see it. We love to see when people are dumb and do that because then here we are, right? So
one thing I want to okay I don't want to forget about is and again like I welcome anyone to prove me wrong because I hoped to [ __ ] hell this is not true. But when we mentioned jerky that was the more elite human meat is what I'm interpreting this as. There were emails from people redacted names again saying hey I I have 68 pounds of jerky in my freezer. I'm not sure what to do with it. Mhm. There were emails of I need more jerky. I'm going to send it to the lab. Okay. Okay. Um there were what were the other emails? Well, I saw some where it's like I'm going to walk the jerky across the street to so and so and yeah or I'm going to travel with the jerky. Make sure you know a 6 block of ice should do it. So, okay, let me ask you this. Oh, the sulfuric acid is the part I was going to say. Oh, what is that? when he knew they were coming after him. We haven't even gotten to Sasha Riley. We have to talk about Sasha Riley, but when the they knew they were going to come arrest him, he ordered 330 gallons of sulfuric acid, which is what which is how you would dispose of babies. Anything really. Anything. And then the How many gallons did he order? 330 at one point and I believe 50 at another point. Um sulfuric acid. Yeah. Wow. And there are mentions and now Congress is actually speaking about it. They did this week uh a few Republican Congress women I believe and Thomas Massie um spoke about Zora Ranch and how there's so many mentions of bury them in Zora Ranch, leave them in Zora Ranch. And now that's 7,000 acres of land that Jeffrey Epste owns in New Mexico and it's actively working right now. Is it this might be a really ignorant question and it probably is. Is it on native land? No. Okay. No, it's um it's considered like a little town and they changed the street names on Google Maps. It's like blurred out. You know, you can ask them to do that. Um and then again, again, this would be conspiracy. Last a couple days ago, we closed the airspace over Zoro Ranch for 10 days. Weird, right? That's why I'm like, okay, it's enough to make your head explode. It it's enough for me to be like, I'm not going to take that as truth, but I I'm building this I'm filling my bucket with doubt that this administration was clean of this.
So, I want to circle back really quickly to the jerky of it all because I'm not as familiar with that, but I did see it. And so for anyone who's listening who doesn't know what that is, there were a lot of emails going back and forth and exchanged basically as Dr. Leslie said talking about how he's on like an all jerky diet or like or maybe he didn't even say that but like how he's loves jerky. He has all the like tons and tons of pounds of it. how it's better when it's dehydrated or like all of these weird things than saying you should try the jerky and weird enough to where it's like and that's like if for some reason right now I was like on a jerky diet or on the master cleanser or something and I'm emailing 15 of my friends like pressuring them you got to try the jerky you got to figure this out and them writing back like hey when can I get some of that jerky it's just like such a weird conversation to have especially when you layer in where he talks about how you not only the like amount and the weight of the jerky, but then where it's being held in the like deep freezer, this and that. So, I had brought that up to my sister last week when I first heard about it. I'm like, I we were talking about the cannibalism things and I was like, "Well, have you heard about this whole jerky thing?" And I showed her some of the threads and she pushed back a little bit, not and just kind of devil's advocate. We always like do this push pull thing. And she had said, she's like, "Well, what if he was on this like weird fad diet or crash diet for his health where all he was going to eat is jerky?" And so he's saying it needs to be dehydrated. I am going to travel with it. I am going to do this. Is it as nefarious as it looks? But then I pushed back and I said, "Well, what about like, hey, we're going to walk um John or whatever his name is um some jerky. Walk the jerky across the street to him." Where you normally be like, "Bring him the jerky." I don't know. like things like that to where it's like could it be explained away or is the writing on the wall?
And then just to add to that, you know, the the chef that was making the jerky that was sending recipes that was on the island was Francis Derby. Who's that? Francis Derby owns the restaurant Cannibal. What? Yes. Wait, there's a restaurant called Cannibal Cannibal and Cooking. Is it actual cannibalism? No, it can't be. That'd be illegal to be shut down. But is it so tongue and cheek? Did they think they were so smart that they could go that far? Well, and here there's a saying I all I you know I hate the cliche sayings, but in a lot of the cases I cover something that I often say, where there's smoke, there's fire. So, a lot of these things individually could potentially be explained away. I think everybody in the world agrees there was going on, there was underage going on and that there was like this huge group of predators, women and men. I don't think anybody's trying to argue that fact. But when you bring in the cannibalism, the babies, the terminations, the trap doors, which I have on here as a note I want to get to as well, all the sulfuric acid, one or two of those potentially could be explained away. Yeah. But where there's smoke, there's fire. And when there are that
Many nuanced things and weird things and outlandish things. It's like, at what point do you say, like, I can't be devil's advocate and explain this away? Like, there's too much of it.
Yeah. But then it's like, are you teetering on conspiracy? But I think now a lot of people are realizing no. And not that some of the, I don't know if I fully believe the Wayfair stuff out there. I'm curious to know your take on that. But I think there is a lot of truth that people are starting to catch on to.
Pizzagate is a perfect example that first started, to your point, in like the 2010s and where people, light rumblings. We heard a lot about it in 2020. I mean, it was everywhere. Everybody was talking about Pizzagate and then it kind of died off. People were labeled conspiracy theorists and like, there's no way there's truth to this. I have never seen so many emails where they are talking about pizza back and forth than when I started looking at these files. And the argument could, the argument can't even be that we don't live in a day and age of text messaging back then, because texting became around in 2006, 2007. So, where it's like, "Thanks for the pizza party last night." "Hey, did you order the pizza for so and so?" "Hey, I got this pizza. What toppings do you like?" Like, there's so much to where it makes you step back and be like, "Were we not crazy? Is this real? Is this how they were ordering people?"
Yeah. I mean, I think that if someone were going to play devil's advocate, they would probably counter it with drugs.
Okay.
That to me would be like the, if you want to take my pattern I'm presenting to you, make it a pattern of drug use.
Okay. Um, still.
Like, if they go to the island and they're all doing like GHB and all the party drugs and like sex parties and all that. "Thanks for the pizza party." But also, if it's a drug party, do you really need to thank them for the drug party? And like, you don't need Epstein to be your drug dealer if you're a billionaire, right?
I can get GHB tomorrow if I want it, like, or today, you know? Like, you don't need that kind of access for those types of things. You don't need people in that position.
For any kind of drug.
Right. And why do you need so many doctors?
Yeah. Why do you need so many psychiatrists? Like, Virginia said in her book, when she would, she was telling people what was happening and they would just give her medications.
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Do you believe that she took her own life?
Yeah, very much.
You do? I know a lot of people don't believe that. I, and because she had outright said, "If I die, it would never be self-inflicted." But it seems as though she was struggling. Because of me knowing Tara Palm Mary very well, the independent journalist who went on a year or more with with Virginia confronting people and caught on tape. I mean, I think it was Apple produced it or something. It's called Bro Unbroken, I think, or Broken. Um, the moment they got to Juan's house, who let them in, who I think he was probably quite naive to the seriousness of all of this at that point. Um, they got into his house, they sit down to talk to him, and the FBI calls his phone. It's on.
Oh, wow.
It's on audio.
So, it's. I believe Virginia is. I believe she ended her life because her relationship to people, it was very bad. She was losing her children, her marriage was going downhill. She was losing her mind because of the, the complex.
How could you not?
PTSD, right? How could you not?
And she was one of the favorites, right? She was blonde and blue-eyed.
Which goes into what the strategy of. This he, he obsessed over this bloodline and making the perfect person. And that's in the files. That's in emails, right? He had all these labs done, all this stuff done. That's all accessible to the world. We can all look that up right now.
Wow. So, I think Virginia herself, because I think she was in a horrible, horrible place and couldn't take it anymore and everyone was gaslighting her.
No one would help her. And she settled and, uh, financially settled against abusers. But if she named them, then that money would have been taken from her kids and her family. So she was stuck.
She was stuck. No one believed her. And then she kept seeing all of these abusers continue to own restaurants and be in politics and lawyers and, and seeing their face on her TV every single day. That would be enough to drive somebody insane.
Yeah. And I mean, she dies and then we finally denounce Prince Andrew.
Right. Right. Right. And I know we talked about this before we recorded. What is it? Sarah Ferguson is f. Yeah. Fergie. Was that his first wife or his previous wife? Hold on. Yeah. Hold on. I don't remember.
I don't know. But where there was like, where they were sending photos of their children, too. Again, not necessarily outright meaning anything, but like being like, "Here's a picture of the girls." And.
So, one of the other things before you continue down your list of the things that you have learned, I, I have it here in my red pen circled. Is it true that there was a trap door in his house on the island that released to the sea?
Yeah, there's an image of it. Okay. That's real.
Yeah.
And again, what it means, who knows?
Yeah.
It. And if you haven't seen this image, I'm going to kind of just describe it. It's dark. It looks like it's just in the floorboard of a room, a little square, probably what, 24 by 24, maybe 2 ft by 2 ft.
Maybe a little bigger.
Maybe a little bit bigger. Just in the floorboards, and you open it, and it's not like to a reef or anything like that or with a ladder. It's just to darkness to the sea. So, let's play both sides of this. Of course, a lot of the allegations naturally are that was a way to dispose of people, things. You're done. It's off into the sea. It's an easy way. You don't have to ever leave the house. You're never going to get caught being seen in public. You're already in the house. And it's a way to dispose of things. Other people are saying, "Oh, no. He lived on an island. It's a door to the sea." However, and we don't know exactly where the location is, I don't think, but I'm just going to say if I had ever had a mansion on an island on the water, I probably would do like an overwater hut like the Maldives or something like that. I don't know that I would have a trap door in my dining room that just releases to the bottom of the ocean. Like, that feels a little weird. Yeah, but I'm not a billionaire, so I don't know. But like, that's weird, right? Everything's so weird. I mean, there was one image and they took it down and I don't know why. It. It's the image of a kitchen and three steaks and then what looks like a bone or bone marrow. Could very well be bone marrow, right? It was up last week. They took it down this week.
So, who is taking it down?
The DOJ, the Department of Justice. But.
And why? If they released everything, why are you now taking it back? Because my assumption is that they thought Americans and the world were dumber than we are. And people are analyzing these images, knowing we can turn images into videos, knowing that there are hidden links in these images. Like in one image, you click on the link, you right click, there's a little blue dot, and you right click on it and it takes you to um Roblox. Don't get me started on Roblox.
Why? Why? I don't know what that means. Like, I mean, we know that's how you.
Predator's playground.
Yeah. But why is there an image of like a hallway in Jeffrey Epstein's house? And.
Let me ask you about this image I have seen because people also will use AI to complete images that have been redacted and things like that, which I don't really like. I can't subscribe to that. Yeah. Um, maybe it's real, maybe it's not. But there was a conspiracy a couple weeks ago when these all first started getting released floating around that one of the images that was redacted showed hands and I believe legs of a little girl who people are suggesting was John Benet Ramsay.
Yeah.
What do you. Does that go to conspiracy for you? I, people were like comparing her hands the time she went missing, when the time he became like into power and influence, how he loved little girls with blonde hair, beautiful eyes, how she was in the pageant circuit. I know there's also that photo where people think Ghislaine was like in the crowd next to her, and I don't think that's ever been proven to be her. But.
Does that. Is that just because everybody's so desperate for an answer of what happened to John Benet that they're now trying to like tie it together?
No, I think it's because the timing literally matches up and the images, you know, there's one image where she's on.
His back or shoulders.
Um, and the hair.
Lines up perfectly.
And she. I think it's like the same bows too, or the same bow on her dress or something like that.
They did overlays, right? And.
It wouldn't surprise me. I mean, I guess that's the thing is it wouldn't surprise me.
But then would that. That would take it a step further arguing that either her parents were complicit in all this, which I don't. I don't think personally that that is the case. I don't think that they would have like passed John Benet to Epstein. I don't know. Possibly, but I don't believe that. Or that somehow he was involved in the abduction.
Well, or she went for a photo shoot, right? I mean, we.
Oh, and that he had nothing to do with her disappearance and murder.
Or maybe he. He did. Maybe the parents were like, "Sure, go, go, go for a photo shoot. You're in the pageant industry, whatever." You know, Oprah's plane was on his island 12 times plus.
She was. She's not on the plane. She wasn't flying the plane.
Yeah. They were bringing children over.
Because he was. To people who didn't know his rap sheet, even post 20, whatever it was, 2012, or whenever it was, but even pre, like, if you didn't know the darkness that was going on or what his extracurriculars were. He was this very powerful billionaire in New York City with this huge elite town home. So, it's like, yeah, if you're a family and you're getting your kids into modeling and this billionaire, if the Kardashians or somebody come up to you and they're like, "Oh my god, come over and play at Northwest's birthday party. D, come to what was Michael Jackson's island? Uh, Neverland." Like.
Yeah.
If you don't know the sinister intentions or activities behind it, then you probably are easily impressed by that and willing to go to those places. And then maybe that's when you start to get sucked in. Or maybe you don't, maybe you never do. But I think that there is this whole like he's kind of cloaked in this veil of protection or he was because people are so stareyed when it comes to influence and power and wealth and.
He did though. I mean, the, the heads of talent agents were his friends.
Isn't that. Didn't one agent just. Waseran or what?
Um, people are leaving, but they're letting him stay. No.
Because it's his agency, right? The board like voted and they're letting him stay.
Which is wild to me. But, um, genuinely, yeah, you would, like Lisa Phillips describes it, um, one of the survivors, he would name the agencies, you know, what kind of career do you want? What do you want to be? How famous do you want to be? I can get you that.
Wow.
And he did for a lot of people. I mean, the Hadid sisters are listed in those emails.
What do you mean, Bella Hadid? Um, that he helped promote their careers.
How they're really. They're really rich. I think there's an element.
Mohammed is their father is very, very rich. He's like a huge, like real estate guy.
A lot of what Epstein did was move money to make people more famous to get them gigs, to get them jobs.
And now these people that he has helped or cross paths with aren't speaking, obviously, unless they're getting caught.
So, I know there were, what else? Not only was in the files, but I know there, you want to talk about the Sasha of it all.
Yeah. The, the Sasha Riley. He came out and he was the one who made direct allegations against Donald Trump.
Okay. And people are really going back and forth with the truth of the nature of this. Um, I very much believe his story, the way he tells it, it's very linear.
And what's his story for anybody who's unfamiliar? Can you just break it down?
This is where it gets even more dark.
Great.
Okay. So, you take out the the letter T and you put an N in stuff.
Hold on. Wait. Take. Oh, like in Epstein?
Yeah.
No.
No. In the word stuff.
Okay.
If we take out the T and we put in an N. Um, so that's when you are someone.
And it's when you're someone or maybe just like having sex and you kill them. Oh, yeah. Because there are those kinds of films, the sort type of films out there, and people like watching those. Um, it reminds me too of I can't remember the movie now, but yeah, where there's like this whole like market for those kinds of movies.
So Sasha claims and he has, um, he has receipts.
What kind of receipts?
He has timelines. He has pictures. Okay. Um, he's in hiding now.
He is. Mhm.
Um, he claims that an aspect of it was that they were being videotaped. Now, again, as Pam Bondi was caught on a hot mic saying, "We have 12,000 videotapes of just kids." And.
I didn't know that.
Yes, she was caught in a restaurant saying that. Those have not been shown.
Why aren't those in the files?
Todd Hullman, the attorney, said, "We will not be showing any of the killings or the murders."
Okay. So, you're confirming that there are killings and murders.
Yes. This is how stupid this administration is.
So.
I get why they wouldn't release it. If it's underage, it's minors. You, you're not going to.
But acknowledge it. If you saw someone die, who was it and who did it?
Right.
So, Sasha openly says, and he, he was, he's military, comes from a military family, was in the military. Um, that he killed a little girl that they made him that he shot her.
That Sasha did.
Yeah. That he was also assaulting them. Um, and then they made him do that.
Wow.
And then another little girl wanted to end her life so badly that another little girl shot her for her.
And then he said another little girl wanted to get off so bad, she just jumped in the water and swam. She's never seen again.
So, these are all Sasha's allegations. Nothing has been proven.
Nothing has been.
And he's now in hiding.
Yeah. I don't know. Maybe there's, maybe there's investigations. I don't really know. Um, because they wouldn't talk about open investigations. Although Pam Bondi in the hearing yesterday, even though she said there are no investigations, at the end said, "We have open investigations." Of who?
Well, isn't her, and correct me if I'm wrong, but what's her, her name was floating around a lot in these emails, right? And her husband, correct?
She was the attorney in Florida with all of these people for decades.
The picture. So that's where you're saying, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but.
From what I'm gathering, that's what I'm hearing is that it's the administration as a collective for the most part of why there has not been movement forward, movement in holding people accountable with the release of this.
It's bigger than Watergate. It's a massive cover-up of our, the biggest one of our lifetime.
Do you think that it will ever be fully exposed?
Yes, because of other countries.
Because.
And I think we'll get some whistleblowers and I think people will stop being scared. Um, but I personally, I mean, the size of Cash Patel's eyeballs since he took that job, they have gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. I mean, these people are realizing what they're in and I think I'm assuming they're being blackmailed or they're just, it's a cult-like mentality. I. And I, I'm gonna pull this up because I did have a couple questions that I had logged down here as well that I was like, I know I need to like ask her about these. Um, okay. I, what do you think about Wayfair? You think it's conspiracy or real?
I think it could very much be real.
Okay.
Because of the people involved.
Okay.
Because I think honestly, I think a lot of them were playing around. Mhm. Like.
Look what I can do to my website with my billionaire company.
Well, and the truth of the matter is, Wayfair is like a third-party hosting website where people, it's all dropship anyway. And so it's like, you use it as a platform to send stuff out. That's why it's the same stuff on Joss and Maine, Wayfair, you know, all the different things. It's just a third-party platform for dropship.
Is is the biggest crime we have in this entire world?
Wayfair is a worldwide company. It makes, take this whole case out of it, makes very much perfect sense that there are going to be avenues we find out about ways that you are picking kids.
Why do you think that all of the files were released at once? Was it to like overwhelm everybody? Was it done strategically that way or is it because they granted the release that that's just the way it worked out?
I think there are a lot more files to come. A lot. Um, but I think there was a dump. Definitely a dump. And it was to, to desensitize us to make that there's just so much going on that it's overwhelming that if we can't process it, it's, it's psychological warfare.
Um, and that's why I'm so proud of the people who are continuing to fight through this and talk about it because, you know, we kind of go on these trends, right? Everybody was like anti-ICE and that kind of faded. Now we've got this. Is this going to fade? We have to keep pushing the really important things.
Because that's this is CIA tactic, psychological warfare. Overwhelm them, make them feel helplessness, confuse them, and then distract them.
And what do you think is going to happen with Ghislaine? Obviously, in her, the latest thing we saw, if you didn't see it, it's unnerving to watch, but she took the fifth for everything, refused to speak, refused to speak on anything, um, to avoid self-incrimination and probably, in my opinion, because she's trying to work out a sweet little deal for herself, whether it's less time, transfer, whatever it may be. What do you think will happen with her?
That's where I think I, you know, Trump is losing numbers. He's losing supporters, and that's what he cares the most about, right? Um, we have Republicans, very Republicans that were very in support of Trump, who are seeing the files and saying Maxwell, these girls, and is just as guilty and she should, someone said she should be hung. Someone said she should go back to maximum security prison.
But some think she may get a pardon.
I don't think so. Okay. Because I think it's going to, it's now taking out Trump's house too.
Uhhuh.
And he's a man of strategy.
Okay.
But he, she's not registered as a sex offender.
Right.
They took that off. Um, to move her back. I, I can't see them moving her to a higher level of security.
And then you have that horrible interview with her and Todd Blanch where he was giving her all of these leading questions to say that everyone was innocent.
Well, here's my question. If all of these files just got dumped and if I'm Bill Gates or I'm whomever and I'm realizing that I'm getting exposed right now, which by the way, the whole Bill Gates of it all with like the STD and trying to like slip his wife the medication so that she wouldn't catch it is so foul and disgusting.
And did you see her answer?
I saw. And she was, well, I saw an interview and she was like distraught and I felt awful. My heart broke for her.
She said, "I'm so glad I got away from him when I did."
Yeah.
Because she knew.
Yeah. Which for those of you who don't know, there was an email. It was in the email, right? Yeah. There was an email exchange where Bill Gates had gone to some sort of sex party. He did whatever and contracted something or I don't know if it was confirmed that he contracted it or he thought he contracted it. Okay. And he didn't want his wife to find to also get it then when they were together. So, he tried to get medication that he could slip to her without her knowing so that she wouldn't get it and then know that he was being unfaithful. So my question with Ghislaine, my point was, if I'm Bill Gates or if I'm any of these people being exposed and named in these files and I'm powerful enough because I run with that crowd at the very top, why is nobody taking out Ghislaine? Because she seems like a liability, right? Like if she decides to speak to protect herself, she knows everything. She knows just as much as Epstein if she was the gatekeeper of all of it. So how come nobody has taken her out yet?
It's a really good question. I mean, she's important.
Yeah.
But she's also important to proving people's claims should things go awry.
But that's what's so crazy is I feel like she is the one person who could validate or invalidate all of this.
Yeah.
Which is. And she's just sitting there in prison and refuses to speak, which is infuriating. But that's why they are redacting perpetrators' names because if I redact your name, then you're not going to tell anyone that my name's in there.
Yeah.
So they're holding her in this place kind of waiting to use her. I think she is a tool that they'll use when needed depending on what direction. And I honestly don't think that the Trump administration thought it was going to get this far.
Yeah.
I mean, he campaigned on, I'm going to release them all and then he said it's all a hoax. Sunny said, "You need to get over it." I think they just, they, I think they're really surprised that the public kept moving this forward.
They're not going to let it go. The public is like a dog with a bone. They are not going to let it go. And like we've been saying, look, this isn't a political podcast, guys. I get accused of being left. I get accused of being right. Nobody knows where I stand. We're not a political podcast. But like we talked about earlier, it's a moment in time where everyone is collectively uniting against the darkness.
Yeah.
Whoever that may be. And I'm, I'm not suggesting I know who it is exactly. I mean, I obviously know it's Epstein, but.
Oh god, it's disheartening. It really is to think that this is like, and that's like the reality, too. And I think that's why so many people do get overwhelmed when they're looking into it and they just stop for a minute, or speaking for myself at least, when I would almost feel like, "Oh my god, these accusations are so unhinged and unbelievable. There's no way there's people like this in the." And then you keep looking and looking, you're like, it's real. And like knowing that you live in a world where there is that much darkness and cruelty is very scary to think about.
And the psychological manipulation of grooming.
I mean, this is, this comes down to little girls who have dreams. And one of the emails was, "I hurt her so badly. She prayed to Jesus."
I saw that.
Um.
And then the response was, "Next time, dress up like Jesus."
Yeah.
These are babies.
It's sick.
Babies being forced to have babies.
And then they take those babies away.
And that's all that is true. That is in.
Justice.gov documentation.
So, where, what, what do we do from here? What's the next step? What's going to happen? What can we expect? Obviously, there are certain ones now that are being unredacted. There are. You, I know you are working with Congress as well on it. So, what's happening?
I think we continue to show patterns to Congress of the files. You, Congress people don't like a lot of Congress aren't that smart, right? Like they're not, they're not analytical. They're not pattern aware. They're, they're not scientists, right? They get funding and everyone does. You know, there's 500 of them. Um, they don't really know what they're looking for and a lot of them have even gone on their socials and said, "Please help me, please tell me what to look for." On both sides, everyone.
Um, I want to see, I want to see the patterns because we need to be able to charge people.
Like, identify what is going on here and then have the forward movement.
Yeah. I mean, we have the, the Zoro Ranch people have been trying to to send cadaver dogs out to Zoro Ranch for so long.
Why haven't they?
Um, because they, they just keep getting met with denials and then they appeal it and maybe we're at a place finally where it'll work.
Who owns the land currently?
Um.
Is it in the Epstein estate?
I think it was. I don't think anyone knows. I don't think anyone knows now.
Okay.
It was his though.
And technically, there's not enough evidence to just pull a search warrant. Or is there?
Well, that's what they, I think yesterday or the day before, I think that's what they started to push forward. So, what happens? Got to put on my conspiracy tin foil hat for a minute. What happens if they go to that ranch, search that property, and find a multitude of remains?
Um, everybody's worst nightmare is like, it's a reality.
Yeah. And then maybe, maybe the FBI, maybe this would be more the CIA because they're not as corrupt.
And.
Do you think that the CIA is working on this?
Um, the. Well, yeah, there's definitely international components that they have to, right? And they're going to be the most quiet.
Yeah.
Right. The FBI, they're not quiet. They don't wear, they don't hide behind masks, right?
They go and make, make an arrest. It's on TV. People see who their face is. They're known entities.
But I think we are, as a, as a people, as a movement, able to push this forward to.
Prosecutions. Now, Zoro Ranch has incinerators on it.
No. Casual. Well, could that be argued because it's a farm?
Yeah.
Mhm.
DNA. Yeah. But at what level of degree of like heat does that not become viable anymore? I don't know.
And how many years?
Yeah.
And.
And how contaminated, how cross-contaminated? That's, yeah, that's a whole separate issue.
But we do have missing, uh, missing people.
Right.
We have.
And if there are remains recovered, then you can do that. Mhm. We have a, a few missing names, um, who are still missing around on the same timelines are noted on the flight logs to Epstein Island. I want to say it's Kathy Roberts. I can't, I need to think of the name, but, um, she's noted to to be on the flight, written in hand. And again, we don't know if these people were actually on the flights, but she went missing that year and she still hasn't been found.
Wow.
So, you know, there's, there's enough like.
Yeah, there's a lot. We can step back and see the forest for the trees. Like, this is, this is the worst thing we've ever seen in American history.
But now we have to actually start picking apart the trees.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much for joining today and sharing all this. I feel like there's probably going to be a part two in the future because there's so much to go. Which for those of you listening and watching, let me know in the comments if you want to do a part two. We can definitely have Dr. Leslie back to break it all down for us. Let us know too if you do, what questions you have for Dr. Leslie and we can compile all of those. I'll compile all of those questions and we can just go through all of them. So, I know it's obviously very dark content and it's not easy. So, thank you for stomaching it and being a part of it and championing it, championing it forward. Championing it forward. I can't talk. Um, and thanks for being on.
My pleasure. After years having to work with sex offenders, being able to fight for survivors.
Is like, you don't have to pay me to do it.
Yeah. Well, and let everybody know where can they find you and keep up with you as you continue to research all of this.
Um, I'm gonna start, uh, compiling it on my YouTube.
Okay.
Because I need to do that also because it's like not as, um, attacked by the algorithm.
Yeah.
But TikTok, um, it's Dr. Leslie and Instagram, it's Dr. Leslie.
Okay.
You know, and then if you have tips, if you have files, if you have patterns that you are seeing, send me because I have direct lines into Congress and I'm helping them.
Fantastic. And there are literally encampments all around DC that are like taking our tips, taking our patterns, running them through themselves. So, we're, you know, we're always, um, vetting everything. Um, and then literally texting Congress people and senators and people are there. We're all, we're all connected at this point because we have to be.
Well, thank you. I appreciate it.
Thanks for having me.
Of course. So, as I said, this was definitely a wilder episode than we normally do. And it did, you know, go sideways a few times with some of the conspiracies and the allegations, which I think I even said in the beginning, some of these are just so unbelievable to where it feels truly unbelievable, but there does appear to possibly be, I don't want to say some proof, but more than meets the eye, especially with certain things that have been discovered over the last few days as well. Does that mean that everything is rooted in fact? Certainly not. But it is opening the door to conversation and for people to interpret what they believe to be true. So, like I said at the beginning, this conversation wasn't meant in any sort of way to steer you one way or another of what to believe or what you should believe or what's true versus what's false. It's just to have a conversation. And so many of you have been pounding me to talk about the files. And so I wanted to just come on here, have a conversation about it, try to make some sense out of what we're seeing, and if that's even possible at this point, and just talk through it. So, I will say it again. You know my mantra as always, do your own research, form your own opinions. All right, guys. Until the next one, you know the drill. Be nice. Don't kill people. Don't join any cults. And stay away from anybody who is listed in the Epstein Files. Okay. All right. Bye.