I Stopped Dating Black Women and Married An Asian| @passportbros

What's good everybody? It's your boy Yosha Duke Jackson back at it again. I'm back on the interview stuff, man. And today I have my brother, man. I've been knowing him for almost a decade. Uh, the person who was the real organizing founder of the Passport Bros movement that everybody claiming right now, white guys claiming it. Nah, man. This is the one OG who came out with it. And I'm gonna let him introduce himself or himself to the audience.

>> What's going on family? Appreciate the shout out OSHA, man. It's your man BMT in the house. Man, I've been doing travel content for for quite some time now. I lived in 12 but not actually live. I've been to 12 different countries. I've lived in about four countries from Brazil, Colombia, DR. Currently living in Thailand. Your boy just got married. I still sell myself to be a passport bro. You know, maybe I'm a retired passport bro at that. But uh, just freshly married, man, newborn baby and everything like that. I would consider myself the guy that took the journey, you know, uh, and I also want to shout out, rest in power to Charles Tyler as well. Uh, because he's the one that kind of put me on to all this, but the guy who took the original journey, traveled overseas, and was able to find a wife, start a family.

>> Yeah. Shout out to Charles Tyler, man. Like I remember that whole uh, I got a chance to interview Charles Tyler and that's kind of how I met you. The black man's option group, man. I wish he was still alive. He died in 2018, I believe. So again, man, out of him, out of his crew came with Taylor Made Dreams and the DR. Now you got Ronin the Traveler, other guys. So yeah, man, it's been a, it's been a journey to see you guys, you know, come so far. So, you know,

>> my my brother, right? Um,

>> we we we we never get into it because like, you know, I got a lot of love for, I love my brother, man. He's been so good to me over the years.

>> Um, but as you know, we have maybe a little bit of different philosophies

>> um about what what what is pro black. He he's, you know, he's very black-centered. He's from Atlanta. And, you know, I'm kind of the person that believes that it's kind of difficult for a person to be hard body for the black community. And let's say, for example, Jamie Fox,

>> right?

>> And then and then you you you talk on black activism, you talk about a lack of black rights, um, you talk about black oppression, and then then when you when you look at your mate, you that mate is always a white person. So your real preference is for white people. So I saw you came in the comment section of one of my videos or the live stream and you said pro black power hotel, like you was mocking our stream. So, uh, I said, okay. So I, so we ended up talking about it and I wanted to give him an opportunity because there are black men like my brother who is, you know, he's, uh, you know, definitely has a preference with black women, but he just so happened to be married to somebody from Thailand. So how do black men such as yourself fit into this conversation now that you are married to a woman in Thailand?

>> Uh, that's a good one right there, man. Uh, I still feel like, you know, I want to see my people do well.

>> Okay.

>> You know, uh, you got to understand, man, we got, we're not doing the, you know, we black Americans in general are in a very unique situation, right? We're the most influential group on the planet. You know, um, we make the USD. You know, we're in a country where, you know, everybody wants to come into it and make money. We do have, you know, opportunities, more opportunities than most. You know, I've been around the world. So, I've seen it. You know, we're the only country we can go and borrow some money from the bank and pay it back without having to go to jail or something like that, right? Uh, but at the same time, we've been through a lot. You know, we've been through a lot. And in a perfect world, I understand what you're coming from. Like, as far as being, you know, pro black, hey, man, we've been through a lot. We should be with our sisters. I get all that. But unfortunately, that's just not the reality. No, the reality is dating in America, you know, it's, it's difficult. It's difficult because the programming for black men and black women is like counter family and it's been done by design. And I can't say with a good conscience to tell if I was to have a son, I have a daughter, but if I was to have a son, I can't tell him with a good conscience to say, "Hey, man, only date black women. You gonna find, you know, you gonna find the love of your life by only dating black women." I would have to tell him, "Hey, man, you gonna have to expand your options, bro. You got to get it like you live out here. You got to pirate bay that thing because a lot of sisters unfortunately, man, you know, they they just raised a certain way. There's nothing wrong with them. I'm never gonna say that you can't find a good black woman. You'll never hear me say that. And I've never said that. All I'm saying is

>> it's best to expand your options, man. Because a lot of cases we're not that compatible. And I've seen a lot of black men's lives ruined by just, you know, being with the wrong women, bro.

>> Okay. So,

>> and I hope I answered your question. But but I still feel like I should have a say even though I'm in an interracial relationship. I still would like to see my community do well.

>> Okay. Okay, cool. So, let me ask you this because I remember when I went to my first trip to Brazil

>> and um hold on a second.

>> Hold on. Uh, my editor, make sure you get my uh Brazil trip in there. Um, there's some stuff that I want y'all to to have in the B-roll. Okay. All right. Countdown. So, I remember when I u went to Brazil, right? And um, you was telling me where to go, you know, where I could be at and all this.

>> And uh I went right after Charles Tyler died. And so, I've seen like what you have been able to do. And I mean, cuz it's not like the black manosphere guys like it was like a a lot of big personalities like me, Obsidian, and the, you know, Passport Bros was like right in our same community. But you created an egalitarian community that it was equal. It wasn't really about you. It was about everybody else.

>> White men, everybody started using the term and it's one of the most mentioned terms on TikTok like the last three to four years, right? So when I look at a black man like you, I see a talented brother that is a builder. I see a brother that is resourceful. I see a brother that can develop in the black community. So when I see a man like yourself and I could I could see if you didn't have that talent, but you do, that black man in my opinion don't have those problems with black women that is not being a certain way toward you. It's in Atlanta. I mean, you you know that's the black belt of the South. It's more women than it is men already there.

>> So when I look at your skill set and I look at, you know, the will to keep working and and you've been living in all these countries, you don't have that same problem that other black men would typically have because of who you are and what you can do. So that so how is a black man like yourself who could probably have his pick of the litter because you are productive, how can you then come in and say that you can't get your options when you've already proven that you're resourceful?

>> Well, you know what's funny, man? Um, I felt like I gave sisters the best years of my life, right? I didn't get married till I was 44. You know what I'm saying? But the whole time back in the States in Atlanta, of course, I was dating mainly sisters, Latinos, too. I used to call me Mr. International back then because I was still with dating women from other countries. But for me, for me personally, I didn't find an eternal guy had been married, had uh, you know, paternity fraud or what you call paternity or maternity fraud. Girl said the baby is yours, end up not being yours, you know. I've been I've been through all of it, you know what I mean?

>> And it wasn't necessarily that I left the States because of that, you know, but because I saw the temperature changing as far as, you know, too much racism and, you know, police brutality. It was just too much going on, you know. And it's funny because I came across Charles Tyler in my life when I just felt like I had nowhere to turn. When I saw the Philando Castile, Martin, it was like more of a racial element for a while left. I'm like, yo, this this ain't going in the right direction. You know, this is not going in the right direction.

>> But to go back to your point, you know, I wasn't necessarily struggling dating with the sisters. It wasn't necessarily a struggle, but at the same time, I didn't I feel like I didn't find one I want to start a family with. Okay.

>> Me personally, I didn't find him when I start when I started F.

>> Okay. Okay. So, let's go let's go on your on your journey. So, you go from Atlanta and obviously we all find I found Charles Tyler. I was actually on my way to Poland to go to medical school in 2015 and that's when I saw Charles Tyler in Philadelphia. He was kind of going back and forth. So, where was your first country that you found?

>> Um, Brazil.

>> Brazil.

>> Brazil in 2017. Man, I always go back to that story because I was super nervous. But, you know, I was looking at Charles videos. I was in his Facebook group. I was seeing guys make posts and I'm like, they don't seem like they're in no type of trouble. They seem like they feel they look pretty safe in these environments.

>> When they had to leave, remember that they talking about they was they get on the plane and they start crying. They literally crying.

>> Okay.

>> So, I'm a type of guy that I got to see if it's real. I got I got to go and touch it. Like I I can't just sit there and take necessarily people's opinions about it, you know? I'm like, man, this this can't be, you know, let me let me check it out because I saw frustrated, too. And I was like, you know,

>> shout out.

>> Shout out to Al Breeze. And I'm like, it sounds good, but I got I got to see see if it's true. So, uh, the day before I was supposed to go, I talked to my barber. I went to my barber. I've been going to him since I was like, you know, a kid basically. And he was like, "Man, I wouldn't go to Brazil. It's dangerous out there. You know, this, that, and the other." And I was like, "Oh, man. You're right. I might need to just cancel this trip." Uh, but then, you know, it was my mom. I think my mom had pushed me. Then the girl I was with, the Colombian chick, she was like, "No, you need to go. You need to travel." I like, "All right." So, I end up going and it was culture shock like a muck. You know what I'm saying? I'm sitting here like, "When I first touched down,

>> you know, it's like,

>> well, interesting story.

>> I ask you a question. So, you were in a relationship with a Colombian lady."

>> Yeah. Colombian. Colombian American. Let me get that straight. So, she's very Americanized. She's from New York.

>> Okay. But still, she probably understands that, you know, beautiful Hispanic women are going to be in Brazil. So, she she she didn't feel threatened by you leaving and going by yourself.

>> No, she was with me tonight. Matter of fact, she took me to the airport.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> You know, and, you know, with her situation, it was more like she saw what, you know, we were kind of going through at that climate. That's what the whole Black Lives Matter thing was going on. You know what I'm saying? The climate was kind of changing when

>> and she wanted me to see something different. You know, she wanted me to see something different. She was just like, "Yeah, you need to you know, you need to get on out there. You need to spoil a little bit." So, yeah, she dropped me off at the airport.

>> Okay. Okay. So, you you're talking about the the the culture shock in Brazil, right?

>> Right.

>> What was the culture shock that you experienced?

>> All right. So, going from the airport to Copa Cabana, you know, it's like it's just you see the the water tanks on top of the you going through the FLLAS and everything like that. You see the water tanks, you see the bricks, you know, you're just like, "Oh, snap." And on top of that, they speaking Portuguese, you know, even though I know they spoke Portuguese in my mind at that time, I'm like, I know some people got still speak a little English around this, but you know what I mean?

>> But this is my first big trip. I went to Jamaica. I never even count Jamaica like that. I went to Jamaica. That was my first trip overseas. But in Brazil, you know, you going out there and then I get to Copa Cabana and Copa Cabana looks like

>> a city back in the '70s. Right. It's not really modern because all the apartments are very old. Then you got the the the uh the ocean wind that kind of corrodes things. You got the smells and everything like that. So I'm like, "Oh man, I messed up. I should have came out here." I go in my apartment. The apartment look old, you know, everything a little different. So I'm sitting here like, you know, this this ain't it right here. But I linked up with a brother by the name of Allan Harper out there. You know, he was showing me around and that made me more comfortable. You know, just being around another American brother and I just seeing just the world open up. I'm starting to feel more comfortable now. You know, I'm seeing the nature. I'm seeing the beauty of, you know, a different environment.

>> You know, it took me about, you know, a couple of days, but, you know, I'm seeing it. And then that's when I met Charles Tyler and, you know, it was like a movie, man. You know, we was on the beach. The beach was empty. This is like the off-season, so it was like June, so it was kind of cooler. So, the beach was kind of empty. And it's just me and Charles.

>> And it's like he gave me his blessing or something. He was like, "Man, you made the right decision. I'm glad you came out there to holler at me, man. This, that, and the other." I'm not gonna really explain the whole conversation, but he was just telling me about relationships in the States. And he was saying, you know, all that stuff is cooked. You know, travel. If it's not Brazil, it could be another country. It's black women out here, too, you know. So,

>> yes. It was great, man. It was great.

>> And then on top of that, Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.

>> No. No. On top of that, what'd you say? I'm talking about what?

>> The the women. You know what I'm saying? I start seeing all the exotic the women and I'm just sitting here like, you know, even though I I saw see the guy and I knew they was there,

>> like to see them in person, you just sitting here like, damn,

>> damn.

>> Damn, she black like you know what I'm saying? And and because we've never really seen, I mean, we've seen it because we grew up in a different era where black women still wore a little bit of natural hair. They have different hairstyles and [ __ ] but I've never seen

>> black women with their natural hair just rocking it with the fro's and I've never seen it like that. So, I'm like, damn, they look good. They look They're natural.

>> And was dark skin like

>> dark, bro.

>> Beautiful. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know,

>> Yes.

>> bones, you know?

>> Yeah. That's another thing, too. And people forget that most of the African slaves, right, went to to to Brazil. The majority, the majority. Yeah. So, okay. So, now the question is because when I was I only went to Brazil one time.

>> I stayed um in Empanada. Shout out to Empanada. I had a really good time in Empanada.

>> Um, which is right by Copa Cabana. I think the place I went to was called Mabs. The little bar in Mabs.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Shout out to Is it still Is it still Is it still there? MS. Is that there,

>> man? I don't even know, bro.

>> Okay.

>> I'm not even sure.

>> So then now the fundamental question is, okay, so now you're in Brazil.

>> Mhm.

>> You you got these women that are feminine. Like did you feel like your first trip, let me ask you this first. On your first trip, did you feel like um cut that part out? Uh Brmond, did you feel like on your first trip that you you saw like you, In other words, you didn't want to go back home? Like you felt like you wanted to stay? Did you have that same experience that many black men some black men cry on the plane? Did you have that kind of experience?

>> I mean, I was ready to go back home just to get my stuff together because I knew at that point that I wanted to live overseas. Okay.

>> So, I was I was ready to get back home and get my [ __ ] together. For sure.

>> Okay. So, you was motivated to get back home and just get get to work.

>> Okay.

>> I had like a five-year plan. It took me three years, but I had like a five-year plan to to figure out a way to, you know, live overseas basically.

>> So, the the young lady that you were with at the time had no idea that she was about to be replaced or none of that. So,

>> so then let me ask you this.

>> I mean, you still was in a relationship, you know, after that.

>> Okay. Okay. Cool. But but the the reality is you you in Brazil, you find the kind of black women that you want. So then now the question is for the people in the audience, okay, he realized that he sees the blaze from Atlanta. He has a preference of black women. He goes to Brazil.

>> There are black women there.

>> Why? Okay. So then why is that? Why didn't he choose the black women in Brazil? Because he he he is admitting that they're feminine, that they're beautiful, that they're not like these American chicks. So then why wasn't his choice a sister from Brazil?

>> You know what's interesting, man? Um, Brazil went through a big feminist movement right after I left, right? So, me going in 2017 and then returning in 2022, I believe 20. Yeah, 2021, 2022. I saw the differences in the the, you know, um, the personalities of the women. Like when I first got to Brazil, they was excited to meet me the American,

>> you know? They was I mean I got all types of videos, clips, they just was a little different, right? It was a little different. Then they had like a whole entire feminist movement out there, you know? U, so things changed a little different. But to answer your question, I did go to Brazil, you know, leaving Colombia, you know, in my mind, I end up saying, "Oh, I want to be with Afro Afrobrazilian." But ended up with a

>> Japanese Brazilian, you know, who's basically Asian. That's crazy. I know a lot of Japanese in Brazil,

>> right? Right. And they got a little admission to them, so they built a little differently. You know what I'm saying?

>> Okay. So, you had a Okay. So, let me So, so how

>> I still dated though Brazilian women, like Afrobrazilian women, but

>> Okay. So, let's talk about the Japanese

>> Let's talk about the Japanese Brazilian woman, right? So, how how did you end up coming across her or meeting up with her? How did that happen?

>> You know what? We met at a restaurant, man. Like uh I was actually the crazy part is I was actually with two American sisters, right? I was with two American sisters and u we had a good Yeah, we had a good little time and everything like that.

>> And they were talking about how difficult it was dating, you know, and it was like

>> they were kind of trying to, you know, both talk to me in a certain way and I'm like, "Yeah, that's cool." You know, and it's I'll never forget this. I remember we walk on the beach. Both of us walk on the beach. Now, one chick is Nigerian American. Other chick is just, you know, FBA, black American. And she said, the FBA chick told me, she said, you know, Aaron, I really don't date black guys, but I date you. And that just kind of bothered me for some reason.

>> Okay, so wait a minute. This is the the FBA said or the Nigerian said that?

>> The FBA said this. The Nigerian girl was cool. She was cool.

>> So, how did you meet how did you meet them? Did you just meet them or just like, by the way, just

>> we had a mutual friend in Colombia. We had a mutual friend in Colombia that she said because you know when you in Brazil and you got that language barrier, you gonna want to link up with some other Americans where they male or female just to hang out.

>> You know, I'm not already there's no other Americans out there so you just get like, man, I need

>> Yeah. That's where the Olympics were at, right? Something like that.

>> I I think so, you know.

>> They were trying to have the Olympics there. It's really nice because uh Tyler Charles Tyler would always tell me to move out there to borrow the

>> Juka apartments and stuff. It's very nice out there. Okay. Um

>> and, you know, what, man? Not not to get too off subject, but I love the brotherhood that we had. Like it's, you know, in America, we don't necessarily get along with people from other states like that. Like cats from Philly, New York,

>> California, like it's cool, but it's like, you know, we

>> Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But overseas,

>> it's just like, oh, we American. We're not Philly from Philly no more. We're not from New York no more. So,

>> I got cash. I usually wouldn't even hang with necessarily.

>> Showing me around Brazil. You know, Raphael, they're showing me by how to shoot.

>> What happened to Raphael? What happened to him?

>> I don't know. I don't know. I haven't. They threw me out the black men's options group. I have no idea why. So,

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Shout out to him though. Okay. So, the black lady um the black black American African-American lady says she don't normally date black guys. She'll date you. So you took offense to that and you didn't take that as like a compliment.

>> Yeah, I kind of took Yeah, I took a little offense, you know, to to a certain degree because me

>> it's the vibe I got was like, Eric, I usually date white guys, but I date you because you kind of like on that spectrum. You know what I'm saying? That's how I took it.

>> You know, because she was like a she's like a real smart, you know, super educated digital nomad chick. She don't come off like a typical sister per se. You know, she had natural hair and all that stuff, you know, just, you know, on her little, you know,

>> just doing her thing,

>> educated type of thing, doing her thing. And that same night, you know, we all went to the restaurant and, you know, I end up getting a Brazilian Japanese girl's number. We end up talking and, you know, dating for a little bit.

>> Okay. So, you got the number in front of the other chick? They had like left or something.

>> No, I I was sneaky about it. I ain't gonna lie to you. I was Well, she can speak English, the Japanese lady.

>> Not much. She wanted to learn. So that's that's a little game for you fellas. A lot of women want to learn English.

>> So I was like, "Hey, you help me with my English. Well, I help you with your English, you can help me with the Portuguese." Well, you know, I got a lot of girls like that in in Brazil. That was the main thing because,

>> you know, in Brazil and South America, to be a professional, uh, you got to know English.

>> Okay.

>> You got to know English. So, you know. Okay.

>> So, let's let's go from Okay, so we ended up with a Japanese lady in cuz I'm going to tell you what some people were going to say, Aaron.

>> Mhm.

>> You in Atlanta, predominately black city,

>> right? Right. Right.

>> You end up with a Colombia. Okay.

>> Right. Colombian American though.

>> Colombian American. Okay. So,

>> black black dad. She has a she had a black dad, by the way. Her father black Puerto Rican. So, so somebody's going to say, Aaron, you at best you are into racially ambiguous women. Also, I'm just going to say because listen to what what this is. So, you go to Brazil

>> where the most women are, you probably got a lot of black women. The most you can get any probably even I'm in Uganda, right? And it's probably maybe more black women in Brazil all spread out than there is probably here.

>> You end up somehow with a Japanese Brazilian, which that's a minority. So now we got Colombian in Atlanta and now we got Japanese. So somebody could look at this, okay, we kind of building the case that this may be a strong preference of his anyway and that he was already maybe he liked black women sometimes, but his history is showing something different. How do you respond to somebody who would talk like that?

>> Well, you know, the interesting about Brazil is they have like a form of dating colorism to a certain degree, whereas and we kind of similar to this to a certain degree where the darker girls were like the, you know, whiter hue of guys and it opposite. So they they do a lot of mixture out there. So even though,

>> you know, I had dated a couple of Afro Brazilians, like I said before, it was like the ones I attracted naturally were white Brazilians, stuff like that. Was. Yeah.

>> They want to mix. They want to mix. They want to mix. As a matter of fact, it was some Afro Brazilians. Um, one of my homeboys was like Wesley Snipes dark and they was insulting his complexion

>> and they these were Afro Brazilians and something his complexion talking about, oh, you're too dark, you know, they was like a shade lighter than, you know, than me, but at the same time, it's just like

>> right,

>> that's how y'all thinking out here. That's how y'all feel out here.

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. So let's so we so we so we didn't end up with Brazil with um anybody okay so we go to Colombia next right or

>> actually so I went from I went from Colombia

>> to Brazil to Thailand to Colombia. Yeah.

>> Okay let's go to Colombia then and we're not we're just estimating all your trips right not just you know one time leave come back. So what was it like in Colombia? So when you get to Colombia what are the women like in comparison to women in black America?

>> Man, you gonna make me sound bad here, man. But I had already had a a woman I was talking to in Baronia that I had met on Instagram do one of Asa's live videos actually, Asa's live video did a video about Baronia and I ended up following the chick and that chick had a niece, you know, and I was dirty ming like that. But yeah, she had a niece and she made a post and I made a comment. We started talking. So we talked for seven months. So before I even got to Colombia, I had a girlfriend in Bar. Okay. Was the was she like Afro Latina or was she?

>> She was Afro Latina mixed. Her dad white Latino, you know, and then her mom was jet black.

>> Okay.

>> So, she came out like light black light-skinned basically.

>> Okay. So, what happened what happened with that relationship?

>> Man? Um, you know, we did a lot, but her attitude just wasn't, you know, I told her I said, "Hey, man. You got to make a decision. It's either me or your attitude got to go. One one got to go." And she chose her attitude apparently. You know, she's a lawyer. She's a lawyer now, by the way. But she was in law school at the time.

>> And um

>> you know, uh, it just didn't work out. So the plan was for us to stay in Baria for like a couple of weeks and then I was going to move to Medellín, right? And she was gonna come with me. But I end up, you know, playing her off and say, "Hey, I'm going to go to Medellín. Then I send you a ticket." And I just never sent her a ticket. So we still talked for a while, but once I got to Medellín, I was like, "Oh, man." You know, get up, forget about her. You know what I'm saying?

>> Okay.

>> So, yeah.

>> Okay. So, that was the main relationship. Any other relationships in in Medellín? Medellín.

>> Yeah. I end up I end up being a relationship with a Afro Latina,

>> a Afro uh a Pis basically, but like a light like a light-skinned black woman basically.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. We dated for like six months or something like that.

>> Definitely your preference is light light-skinned. You because you keep getting relationship with

>> you know that's not really true, man. Even my mom told me that. But I've dated like the darkest women. They just wasn't really digging her brother for whatever reason.

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. So from Colombia we go what's what's the other place we go? Colombia, Brazil.

>> I went from Colombia to Brazil to Thailand.

>> You've been to DR a few times, right? But DR wasn't really serious, right?

>> I used to live in DR, too. Uh

>> yeah, I went from Colombia to Brazil to Thailand, back to Colombia, then to DR.

>> How long was you in DR for?

>> Like nine months, I believe. About nine almost a year. 10 nine 10 months. Seven years. What was different about dating in DR in comparisons to um, you know, what you see?

>> They got they got hella game in DR, man. They got hella game in DR, bro. You will get you'll get played in DR, brother. You got to be careful out there, man, because if she mention anything about wanting to get into the States,

>> just know what her intentions is. You know what I'm saying? They are very beautiful. But Dominican hold a second because there's some good Dominican women out there that want to date you, genuine relationship, especially in San Domingo. You know, just, you know, my situation, I could tell she wanted to get to the States for the most part, you know.

>> Okay.

>> And on top of she's worked in my building, so you know how that can be a little sketchy in itself.

>> Right.

>> But um

>> dating DR was cool, man. You got to have a car. You gotta drive because they they it's spread out. It's an island. Um, it's a little it's a little bit expensive to a certain degree, especially in San Domingo. But the DR, it's just a different type of oppression out there. So, everybody is trying to kind of get off that island. So, just got to see what their intentions are because they got really good game. They they get they game out of all the women of all the cultures, I would say they game is top tier right next to an American woman.

>> If not better.

>> If not.

>> If not better. All right.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. So, we we we not really finding what we want. So, then we get to Thailand. Um, what brought you to Thailand? And what was so much different that you thought that maybe you found in Thailand women that you didn't find with the other women? Now you now you treat that black women in America Latina is mixed or black across the other parts.

>> Um, still having some little bit of a problems with them. So what's different in Thailand?

>> Um, well, funny funny thing is it was my man Travel Vers. You know what I'm saying? That was I was still in Brazil. He had went to Thailand and he was sending me pictures and videos and talking about they dig and all this. I'm like, okay, I gotta check you out. So I end up going out there. Didn't see too many thick girls. I'm leaving Brazil. So Brazil got to go do in the world. So I'm actually upset with him that I'm like, "Bro, you lied to me. You said these women were this and that, you know." And he was like, "No, they think they think they thick. You just got to stay out here a little bit longer." And uh, yeah, you know, some of them are some of them are thick. But the first go around in Thailand, man, I was just kind of just, you know, trying to get certain things together with my business, you know, online business and all that good stuff. So I wouldn't really necessarily look at a relationship. Uh, you know, I I was just kind of, you know, dating here off and on, right? The first go around. The first go around in Thailand.

>> Okay.

>> So, then let's let's get to the point. The second go around. And how long did the second go around last?

>> I'm talking about in Thailand. When I got back to Thailand.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. When I got back to Thailand after leaving the DR, you know, you know, your boy got his little uh, I ain't gonna say my feelings hurt because I'm an older cat. So, you know, I'm, you know, I'm cold to pull up that toenails when it comes to stuff like that. But at the same time, you know, Dominican chick kind of, you know, ran me through that a little bit. And so, you know, I I get back to Thailand and, you know, you know, same old same old, you know, just kind of going out here and there. And then I get a message on Facebook of somebody want to interview me about the Passport Bros.

>> So, I'm like, "Okay, cool." Now, I've got messages before. I got messages from Vice. I got messages from um, what's the other one in London? Um, Vice Pieces. Yeah, BBC. Yeah, exactly. The production company BBC. Um, so I'm like, "All right, cool." I'm like, "I I don't know." You know, then I see the, you know, that she's uh, she's Thai. So, I said, "You know what? Cool. I'll do the interview, you know, because she's not coming from no production side. She just wanted to learn more about the Passport Bros." And I thought it would be a good look for me to explain it to her.

>> So, I I end up, you know, we end up talking, becoming friends over a couple of months. Then I end up meeting her in Bangkok to do the interview, but it's her birthday. So I'm sitting here like, man, damn, the interview, it's your birthday. We do the interview later. You know what I'm saying? So we end up going out for her birthday and then we end up getting into a relationship. The rest is history. I'm saying,

>> okay, so she she messages you

>> then you supposed to do the interview, but you didn't do the interview. Did you end up doing the interview?

>> Yeah, we end up doing the interview like a month later or something because we used to meet in Bangkok because she's not from Pacia. She's from like a town 13 hours away. So, we would end up meeting in Bangkok.

>> Okay. So, what was so much different about her? Um, cuz you before you respond, you show a lot of respect to this lady. Um, I'm not saying that you haven't with women before, but like you post on IG like you you really really like as a married man like you really love your wife. Just kind of it's kind of the air that I know it's kind of hard to even hear you think about

>> the fact of the Passport Bro is in a a real human committed relationship. What is so different about her that and be honest about what what you think that we have a hard time finding in our community? Not that it's not there, but why was it easier for you to find it in in Thailand and but you couldn't find it in black America?

>> Um, you know, I dated quite a bit a few women, man. It's just the the energy, the vibes, you know, her intentions, you know, her own success, you know, she's, you know, school teacher, successful middle class.

>> And I could tell there was no no intention, no financial incentive or anything like that because she's doing she did well as well. And just the, you know, the energy, man, when you when you a guy my age has been through so much when it comes to certain relationships, you kind of know, you know, you kind of know how to pick them. So that's that's what it really was. It just, you know, being older, knowing when you find a good one and just kind of staying down, man. Like, you know, I respect her, she respect me. And, you know, yeah, it was about that time. You know what I'm saying? She she was the one,

>> you know, she and I feel like every man will find the one once or twice. You know, lightning strikes maybe once or twice in our lives and it's on you to, you know, make that decision if you want to, you know, go to go to go further or not.

>> Okay, let me ask you this. Do you think that if you would have met her in 2018 that you were mature enough to say, "Okay, I'm just going to deal with this one." Could you have said that then? Or did you need to go through some things?

>> I had to go through uh some things. I had I had to do a little traveling. I had to do a little exploring, you know. I had to definitely go go through some things, you know.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah.

>> So, I want I know we kind of beat around the bush, you know, explaining all of that,

>> but now what was the response like? is when I I see kind of like the founder of the Passport Bros and now he's in Thailand and he's married to a Thai woman and the Passport Bros was really a movement in my honest opinion. I know everybody has adopted your your ideology now that like non-blacks, but it's really kind of what I believe. You know, it's it's inspired by Charles Tyler, which was the black man's option ideology.

>> And it's really for black black men explore your when I look at the passport bros, what I see is a larger the same message, just a little bit more organized. Charles Tyler, which is black men explore your options, right?

>> So, but at the same time, you you're with a woman that's not from our community or from the from our diaspora and the child is um is is is is mixed black and and Asian and that child probably if if you move back to Atlanta, that child would have some cultural advantages uh because of the skin complexion.

>> Um, what do you say to people that will say, okay, if you complain about white supremacy and racism, but you've also contributed to the paradox of colorism.

>> Um, how would you

>> that's that's a deep question. I would say, "Hey, man, you know, we gota still got a positive birth rate. We got a billion. We a billion strong, you know, it's it's it's enough of us already." We're not gonna say it's enough of us already.

>> Um, but you know,

>> Okay.

>> you know, you know, is I don't know if I necessarily say that's an advantage. I mean, I got light-skinned people all throughout my family. You know, my great-grandfather, right?

>> You know, [ __ ] white dude and everything like that. So,

>> it's just, you know, it just is what it is, man. It is what it is. But at the same time, oh, to go on a deeper level, I do

>> agree with your ideology. I do feel like,

>> hey man, you know, in in the in the a perfect world, you should date a woman within your community. You should,

>> okay?

>> But we not we're just not in a perfect world, man.

>> And in a lot of cases, we're not as compatible as we should be. And the your mate can be your worst enemy in most cases, right? All the guys that went to school, high school and college with all got put on child support. All got divorced. All like hundred of them.

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean?

>> Yeah.

>> So,

>> yeah. Sure.

>> Come to play, you know, playing that game. I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong. We're not going through the gender war and all the issues that we have in our community, but at the same time, I just feel like, man, if you got a woman that's going to follow your program, especially as a black man, when you kind of have certain disadvantages, I'm not saying you can't be successful, but you might have certain disadvantages. You can't afford to be arguing in your home and going out to fight in the world as well for your for your money, for your economics.

>> You know, you need you need to be able to come home to peace. You need to your mate needs to be whether you rich, whether you broke, whether you down and out, she needs to be there for you, broke. And a lot of black men have broke broke. I seen with my own two eyes because their mate wasn't for them. You know what I'm saying? They wasn't with it.

>> Yes.

>> It got tough and they got the hell on. So what you're saying is the fear of seeing other black men uh black men who were probably some of them successful, most of them fall to something like child support, divorce um even though you had never been through that and I have never been married, that was something that um halted you from maybe wanting to go forward with any not just a black American woman, just seriously anybody in America.

>> Because of what you saw. So then you also said that black people control culture, right?

>> You're very influential. Yeah.

>> Okay. So then how much culture do you think that black men control?

>> Man,

>> like around the world.

>> We are we are unique people, man. And I've been in every single country I've been in and I've heard our music. I've seen our style, you know. I see how they wear their hats and everything like that. All throughout the Dominican Republic, Brazil, Cambodia, all right, Japan, you know, all these countries, they kind of their style is kind of they're mimicking our music and our style and everything. So, we're very influential, man. That's a special thing because

>> if you tap into their music, you'll be like, "Oh, that's cool, but it ain't really like, you know what I'm saying? It ain't really vibing like that." Like our music,

>> bro. I'm in Brazil in Rio. Uh, and just a little hole in the wall. Shout out to my man DJP. We we in there at DJP and they playing um what what was that? Escape or something like they playing like our music, you know. They playing our music, man. I've been in Cambodia and they playing uh, you know, uh, local music from Atlanta. You know, they playing D4 or something like that. So yeah, it's we unique, bro. We unique. We are let me ask you this of the world.

Okay. So then what you're saying is: black men control culture if it comes to something like fashion, something like music. But then when it comes to how to, um, lead a family, how to deal with, you know, building infrastructure that women can build on, then really the the the real culture is Thai men or Dominican men or Brazilian men because despite they have the lack of resource, they do have their own country. I mean, they can put their women in a better position than we can. So, we have to go to their culture and find from their societies because when it comes to producing something that somebody wants, we can't do that. So, we got to go to someplace else and get it from somewhere else. Is that, is this kind of, I mean, even though you're not saying it, if anybody were to listen to that, that's what would be implied. So, we control everything else. I mean, we we got the money. Black men got skills. I mean, you're widely talented. We've already talked about that. Mhm.

Um, you're enterprising. So, how is it that a man that has less than somebody like you, who is not as talented as you, 'cause I mean, people are interviewing from BBC. I've seen you build this from nothing, bro. Like, I see from zero. You don't get a lot of credit, like, and as far as the manifest ideology as an architect, like, you should be up there with us.

You know, when you talk about like Obsidians, the, you know, Kevin's, you're right up there in my opinion. People don't want to get credit for it. So, you can't be up there if you're not a special guy. So now, how is a person like you that can't build the community? Because you're building it right now. So, you can't, you, you, if the women don't want to listen to what you're doing. So, the Thai men got to do it, the Filipino man can do it, and we got to go there and get somebody. I don't, I mean, that's what somebody's going to understand. They're going to have a hard time putting it together. How can a talented man like you, who's resourceful, you can do everything, and you can't get women in your society that will want to be a part of what Aaron Ferris got going on? I mean, I'm going to say this again. I'm going to let you respond. Aaron Ferris built a community that everybody in the world wants to be a part of, or everybody, either everybody wants to be a part of or everybody hates it.

Right. So, if a man can do that, he he's also able to attracting those women to his community at his will. There is no way he can do that and not do the other thing. It's not possible. So, how is it that because if if if if if those guys are so talented, then the Thai guy will be talking about Pastor Bro, I'll be interviewing him and not you. So, what does it say about us as a group of men that we have to go to somebody else's culture to deal with women that they train up when they're not even as talented or re, I won't say as talented, but I'll say they don't have the opportunities that we have. How do we do that?

You know, that's a, that's a deep question, man. Um, yeah, I mean, unfortunately, because of the social programming of our community, I do think brothers need to expand their options more. I'm not saying you can't date a sister, uh, in America. You know, I got sisters, they all married, been married 10, 20 years. I'm not saying they're not no good ones. So, at the same time, you have certain aspects in our community that do make it difficult to have a productive family where the man is the head of the household.

Right.

Right.

And at the same time, man, like black men got to come together a little bit more, you know, so we can control certain things that come in our community. Like right now, one of the biggest problems is, you know, the isms within our, I just say that some of the same-sex isms within our community that make it even more difficult. One of the last times I was in Atlanta, this happened probably like 2022, 2020. No, no, this is like 20, had to be like 2018, 2019. And I'm in a bar off Camp Creek. You know, I see a nice young lady and, you know, I approach her. You know, we have a couple of drinks, you know, we talking and everything like that. And this is just my personal experience, you know. I'm just going to say, you know, this is from one of my experiences being Atlanta, dating in Atlanta, you know, being a single guy at that time.

And we talking. I buy her like maybe two drinks and everything. Then a stud comes in, walks up to her, you know what I'm saying? Hey, how you doing? You know, what and everything? You going to buy me a drink, too? Takes her, kisses her, walks off. They together. You see what I'm saying? So, it's like you bought you bought a drink for another lady, but you didn't know that she was gay. Yeah, basically. Yeah, basically. Okay. So, you know,

or bisexual.

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So, you know,

I'm just telling you from one of my personal experiences, you know what I mean? Like, dating in Atlanta is not as what you think. Especially if you didn't, if you didn't find her in college or something like that, you in your 30s and everything. Dating in Atlanta can be treacherous, bro. Even if you got a little mouthpiece, you know, you look nice, you know, people be dating with intentions that's probably not the best intention for you.

Okay, let me, I'm going to say this respectfully.

This is what I believe. And I believe that, um, and I'm going to use your ideology from when you, um, first went to Brazil,

and, um, when you came back, you made a statement that, look, I think I want to, I want to live there. And so you had a five-year plan, right? And that five-year plan was completed in three. What I'm, Aaron, if I was talking to somebody that was like less talented,

I could understand like, and you're giving me situations that have happened. Obviously, I know this is, these are, um, what do you call it when when things happen to you only? I forgot what's that word? What is that word called? Uh, uh, your own experiences, something like that.

But like, when I, I look at your body of work and what you've been able to do since I've known you, the these problems are not like if you wanted somebody from the black community, if you really wanted it, you wouldn't have had a, because you don't, you don't have that problem that that somebody who don't like work or don't want to, you're not that kind of person. If this was a somebody making like $10 an hour, okay, I can understand it. But you, you, you showed me that you said, "Look, I made my mind up to come back from Brazil to claim I want to be there." I think really what it is is that you just got tired of what was happening in America and you just didn't want nothing to do with it and the other things that you saw, you know, along the way just like up that just proved my point, right? So, and so you became very biased and then it, it just, so your bias was leading you to a different direction, but at the same time, you're showing me as a man who can build nothing out of something, who's enterprising, who can work well with people, who knows how to, you know, like you, you, you, you create a lot of egalitarianism with men, which is great because, you know, you, you, you're not like a trying to put guys down and people trust you. So there is no way that a man like that who has a good name amongst men can't deal with anybody he wants in the black community. That's like it's, that's your argument is for a less talented guy,

for or like you don't have the same problems that a less talented guy would have. I just think really what it is is that you just told yourself like, I'm just tired of what's what I'm see in Atlanta. I, I don't want to really be here. This is really what I want to be. And then everything that came across kind of validated that and like, this is why I'm not there. And then when things happen, see, and I think that it's kind of like, I don't want to call you this, but it's kind of like bigotry where it's like you got these beliefs and those beliefs like you really believe them and anything else is okay. No, it's not like what I believe is was like the 100% truth.

Mhm. And and I think that like my mom was kind of the same way like when my mom was telling me and and I know I was s I'm in Uganda, right? But my mom used to always tell me, get out of black America. Black America ain't [ __ ] right? Don't come back. Gi up lights. Black people, they all haters for the most part. They'll bring you down. Crabs in the bucket. Okay, YouTube.

Don't interrupt you. When last time you dated a black American woman? Um, 2000 when I had moved a girl from, uh, in Poland.

Okay.

Remember her? I bought her. It didn't work out. But that's actually my first, that's actually my first choice.

You know what I mean? I'm older. I'm, I'm also older now. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know, there's some things.

But you still dating though, right? You've been dating still, but not married women.

Yeah. Yeah. But I, but that was my,

No, no, no, no. The thing is, I went to medical school. So, I went to medical school. So, when I was in medical school, I brought the chick from my city to where I was at.

And then I happened to do what one of you did. I came here and then I just kind of fell in love with here. But it's not like if somebody from here was from my community, I wouldn't date him. I would probably prefer that. So, but it's still, it's still in the African context. But I have not, the thing is, I have not ruled it out. I think for you, you have ruled it out completely. That's the difference. And so, but I think with somebody like you and your ability or my ability, we don't have the same problems that you're talking about,

like that those arguments are from a guy who's not as talented as you.

You can create anything you wanted to see. You create the passport, bros. Who can, like, one, one out of every what, one people can do that? So, how could what else have you done that you can do? So, somebody will submit to somebody like you,

because of what you can do. You know that that's why I don't really understand this position from you because you don't, I mean, everybody has problems, but like I said, you have options anywhere you want to go. If you was in New York City, you would have somebody. If you was in, you know what I mean,

because of what you do. So, black men like you, you're even more valuable than the black community than anywhere else.

You're dating, you, you have more dating options than the white man because you can deal in the black American community. You can do it to the Uganda and Americans. You come to Africa, Afro Latinas. If you want to go over to white, like you got all that opportunity. So, how is it a person that has all this opportunities can, can just say that no, those women don't meet nobody like you every day.

Like that's, that's my argument. That's my, that's my re, react to that, that the only reason why you just, just didn't want because you just don't want to do it. It's not that you don't have the opportunity. I saw, I saw,

I saw so many examples of relationships gone bad within our generation. I'm not saying no, my grandparents, of course, were married for 50, 60 years,

but even, even the matriarchs in my families, they'll say things like,

you told me about,

yeah, my mom be like, man, these young women ain't, they don't want to do nothing no more. They don't even want to cook for their man no more.

You know, like so,

yeah, you know, and that's the thing though, I didn't leave the states specifically because of dating. I didn't really struggle dating like that, you know. I always had a little pool game. Even when I went back to the states, I was pulling women because I was identifying myself with a passport. You know what I'm saying? Like, why you identify yourself with a passport for? I said, I live here. Oh, you live in Thailand? This, that, and the other. So, but at the same time, man, um, I gave, I feel like I gave the black community 38 years of my life, you know. Well, of course, not exactly 38 years, but, well, we started dating seriously around 14, 15. So, what's that? 15, 20 years, right? Gave him my prime. Yeah. Gave him my prime. And I didn't find nothing. I could, I found plenty of women I could, you know, have fun with, but I didn't find nothing that I felt like I could build with that didn't already have baggage attached to.

Right.

Okay. Let me ask you this.

Oh, go ahead.

No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. So, baggage, I'm sorry. Take the bag.

No, no, no. I just take family building very serious because I think the most important decision a man will make in his life is who he choose to marry.

Right. That's the most important decision because that's the person that you're gonna, you know, build with, you're going to be with, you know, up and down with. It's a very important decision.

And she got, she has to qualify.

She has to qualify for you,

in order to, you know, take it to the next level.

Okay. So, let me ask you this. Right. So, let's say these black American men, they're, they're trying to, let's say, um, they going to Thailand, getting married,

are having or have relationships.

What do you think that the men in like Thailand believe, like if you know, you, you, you guys are, are coming from this community, the greatest country in the world, but you need to come here, ain't married to one from our community. Mhm.

And obviously, if if so many of that happen, that that would probably cause some level of, you know, beef between men there. Um, what, like, don't you think, I mean, what, what kind of situation do you think that puts black men in?

You know, that's that, that's a, that's a real interesting question, man. I know, I noticed this in the DR, in every country I've been in, actually.

If you're dating a woman, let's just say a lady of the night or something, or a sketchy female, they generally don't have an issue with it. Right. But if you dating a professional woman, you know, a good woman, you know, that they will want, that could be, they might not say something, but they're not going to like it. I remember being in Colia, you know, and I wasn't even dating this girl. She was just my, my personal assistant at the time, you know, the tax driver would get lost on, she was Venezuelan, the tax driver would get lost on purpose, you know, like or they'll say some negative stuff in Spanish, they'll ask certain questions and stuff like that, you know, right? Or something somewhat similar to a certain degree. You know, you had a beautiful woman, they might say some slick [ __ ] in Spanish, you know, I'm give you prime example, right? I was in Bangkok one day,

and I saw a beautiful sister with a white guy,

right? Now, my natural thing was like, damn, this is what most black men want. A natural, beautiful, feminine, you know,

right?

You know, nice shape black woman. Why is she with the white guy?

Right.

Right. But flip this. Just a week or two later, you know, I'm doing an interview. I'm interviewing a Chinese American guy. You know, my wife, you know, rolls up, you know, pregnant and everything like that. And he gives the exact same look that I was giving that guy.

So, it's just, it just, it's just very natural for us to be like, "Hey, that's that belongs to me." Like, that's that's, you know, that she should be with me. It's the most natural thing. White guys do it. That doesn't mean you're racist. That just means that you're perceptive on like, okay, why, why she with that guy of another culture and why she not with me. So yeah, that that's that's what happens, man. When you got something of value, the guys, local guys might not like it,

you know? But if the family is cool, that's all that matters. If the brother is cool, you know, the uncles is cool. I met her family, they all like me, I like them. You know what I'm saying? Then that's all that matters. You know, that's all that matters, man. And Thailand, Thailand is one of them countries that's pretty lenient on the race because they have their own,

black version of, you know, they have their own black hue. I don't know if they want to call them, I don't want to say Afroasian. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to say that word because that might not be true. They have a darker hue,

of Asian here already.

They got some Asians that look damn near like you and me, brother. Like black afro and everything. So, it's already here. You know, Cambodia, you got chicks that look like Kesha from up the block. She just got the Asian eyes, but it's already out here a little bit. So, it's not like they're not used to seeing darker hued people because you got dark skin Asian guys. No complexion. My complexion.

So, tolerance, one countries that's more tolerant than let's say Korea, Japan, or China or something like that. It's Southeast Asia. They got me another,

Okay. Okay. Do you think,

but, but to answer your question, I, I, I agree that yes, some of the local guys might not like it.

Okay. So this, this is one other question because, you know, black men, you know, and I, and and I, I wanted to say this because like my mom was always telling me like, get away from your community because if you get away from your community, you know, nothing will happen to you. But then you lose a lot of leverage because now you're going into somebody else's community, which is, you know, white America, middle class America, and all that stuff. And you working for somebody else, but you can't, you can't use your talents to monetize your people. And I'm just going to tell you, it's because of brothers like you, um, you know, Kevin Samuels. I've been able to stay in the game 11 years working for myself because I, because I have been working with black men, right? And so I've been able to come and, you know, do what I'm doing here in Africa because of the, because of my followers, subscribers and, you know, I've been working for myself because I'm like, wait a minute, well, I can work with my people and achieve this stuff. So let's say for example, you know, black men a lot of times, um, if they give up some of their dating options because again, they have this big spending power. They're the richest men, black men on the planet earth.

They richer than Thailand men. They're richer on average, Filipino men and Cambodian men combined.

So if black men start giving up some of their ownership opportunities that they can force, 'cause think about like people who, who don't have those issues with women as much. Every man has issues with women, but men who typically don't have men issues with women are men that kind of have ownership and men who can, um, you know, kind of independent, kind of can monetize themselves. That's why pastors are so appreciated, Tyler Paris or people like that. So, black men, if they, if they are saying like, "Let's go somewhere else." They're giving up maybe the opportunity to, you know, own stuff in the community, um, that the Asians own or to, to, to start up new stuff. Um, and they lose their leverage because it's going to be hard for them to go into this other people's community where their men already have these businesses, already have this stuff, and you don't really understand what's going on there, but you understand Atlanta. Like, that's how the passport, bro. because you understood what black men were going through. So you had that situation going on, right? So do you think that we at certain point, what, how do you feel about us as a group of men if we do decide some of this to do this? How much economic leverage do we lose by making this choice to be with somebody that's not our community,

or in our diaspora?

Uh, that's a great question. The interesting thing is they're expat communities all over the world and they actually have certain infrastructure. I'll give you an example. The Russians, you know, uh, out here, they have their own buildings, they have their own businesses. If you go to Brazil, you have areas in Brazil, you know, the Brazilian Japanese, uh, you know, have a lot of infrastructure. Uh, so you have different communities where men are building. Even if you go to Ceua, you know, you got brothers with businesses out there. Uh, you got brothers with businesses in Colombia. So it's like we, we, we started, you know, we starting a little late in the the globalization race, but we doing it. You know, we starting small. That's okay. But, you know, we building our own little expat communities in these countries, too. Now, I'm not going to say that you're going to have the exact same opportunities as the, uh, local men. I'm not gonna say that they don't have issues within their businesses as well. But luckily, we got different, you know, streams of, um, opportunities. You know, we got the internet. Me and you, you know, we play the internet basically. We make content. Yeah. So, you still got different opportunities out there. But you are right. You are giving up some of the things that you can build with within the black community. But the only thing,

a lot of leverage, not just some, a lot.

But this the thing though, the unfortunate thing, I give you the prime example. We had like a Black Wall Street thing going on at Stone Crest in in, uh, you know, in Lthonia, Georgia that's already closed. You see what I'm saying?

I heard about that market they had going.

Anytime. This the thing about America. You can build it as an individual. It's okay. You can make a billion dollars as an individual. But when you talking about black economics, that's when it gets a little shaky. That's when you start getting reszoning. You start getting highways. You start getting things happening. You know, a lot of those lynches that happened in America, they weren't just lynching random dudes off the train or something. They were lynching black businessmen all through North Carolina. They were lynching black politicians all throughout the Carolinas. They had race wars, race riots to burn down black economic centers in America. So, I'm not saying that like,

we're not, I'm not saying that we can't, but it's very difficult for several black men to own businesses in a certain area in the United States because that's just not the status quo. Yeah. That's just not that. You know, we did some one of the most amazing things in the world, right? We one generation after child of slavery, we built black wall streets all over the country. That's amazing, right? But the thing was we was kind of forced to work together because of segregation and our community needed water plants. We needed hospitals, you know, we needed entertainment. We needed our own baseball leagues. We don't have,

right,

that advantage of segregation anymore. Now we got to compete with the Hilton hotels. We gotta compete. We integrated all our star athletes into their businesses, into their, uh, infrastructure. So it's like,

right,

we can build, but we're not, we're not building at the pace we should be. Right. That's the, that's the sad part. That's the reality.

And I understand your, your, your situation with the, the Lonia marketplace thing.

Okay, cool. But let's be honest. Black men in America are gonna smoke all of us for the most part. If you take a hundred guys in Atlanta and compare it against us guys in the expat community, we don't have a chance against those guys. Some of those guys are in trucking. Some of those guys are in engineering, some of those guys. So there, so that the opportunity and the money that's, that's even in one city like Atlanta. We ain't talking about the, the money that's in Houston, Texas is more than what is in Thailand. Just in Houston.

Mhm.

Okay. Where these guys go in Colombia? So, let's take the state of Texas. More money in the state of Texas than in Colombia, DR, Thailand combined, all of those things com, that's just one state.

We would be no match for black men in America that still got opportunities because we don't work well. So, I understand what you're saying, but we are no match for them because if you in trucking, you in processing, you in stuff like that. You, you're killing it. You got 401ks, you buy in the stock market. The reality is is that we live, we lose. And I know this because even as a creator, and I've been largely overseas, my, my rise, right? If I was in America, black America, which I need to go back a certain point,

I would be four times as bigger than I am now as an individual in the black community. Four, like four, four times.

Because I would have so much, there's so much black talent in America that you can leverage. You look when you're in Uganda, we got a small diaspora community. We got some talented people in our group, but it's not like you in Cincinnati and you got like 50,000 black men in Indianapolis. You know, these are just mid, mid-tier cities. The black America got so much talent, so much unknown talent you can work with.

It's ridiculous.

And you can, it's so much stuff. You got H.B.C.U. We, we the only ecosystem in the world that got H.B.C.U, bro. Mhm.

Black Thailand ain't got hbcus.

Um, Cambodians, the black British, we the only ones that got, you can go to, I, I had a teacher, uh, not teacher, but shout out to Mr. Alan Row. See if we can put a picture of him up here. A Mr. Alan Row. Even the 90s, if if you wanted to go to Fisk, Tennessee State, Grahamland State, call Alan Ro. He get you in. No grades get you in Alabama&M anywhere you want to go. That's the black ecosystem that our people fought for,

to have it. I don't give a [ __ ] about nobody being a feminist or whatever you talking about. You going to listen to what I got to say anyway or you're not going to be here. Point blank. That's like, I don't understand why black men have that mentality. Okay, you want to be a feminist, you going to feminize your ass over there on the other side of the street.

'Cuz if you're going to be over here, but what we doing? You're going to be adhering to these rules. If I don't want you wearing that kind of hair, you're not going to wear it over here. Point blank. I don't want you wearing jeans. If I'm saying you ain't wear, baby. Well, listen. I don't want you wearing that. And if you don't want something, somebody else going to do. Black men don't understand leverage. So, okay. Well, we don't like what's going on. Let's take our place somewhere else. And I am somewhere else. And I understand how much leverage you lose. But black men in America, the best leverage to make anybody do whatever the hell they saying.

Mhm.

You already rich. You got opportunities. You can run the table. Oh, you don't want to deal with me? Okay, cool. Let me just go over to the Jamaicans over here. Jamaican American women. Okay, I just go to Ethiopian. They will all come. Black men are so powerful. Whatever black men start to do in just women just start like if you just get a poetry night for example. I saw my boy from South Carolina.

Put a poetry night up there.

It give it six weeks. See how all the women will start, some of them will just start coming try to help you. Now, we ain't talking about the, we ain't talking about all of them.

But look at the manosphere. You, you was there, bro. When the black manosphere started being successful, who started coming in helping us? Who, who was it,

ultimately?

Um, the sisters, I think, right?

Courtney Michelle. Um, my, me and my boo boo be, be little beefing right now though. I still love her though. I still love her. I still love you, baby. I got you. We, I'mma talk to you one day though. I still love you, boo. Um, uh, six the goddess, you know, all these beautiful women, they started, oh, okay, we see how they doing things. They started coming on,

ask people why? Because when the men started putting it together, the women follow it.

Anywhere you go.

I mean, if so, so the, the black men thing, 'cuz y'all had it popping it in Brazil to Brazil, that's women everywhere. So, I don't understand why men don't get that because black men, if black men, like black American men got, there's nothing that beats what they got.

Mhm.

Nothing. They economic, their schooling, their training, what they can do. Nothing can beat that. And then you use all of that tech. Okay. This is the door that we going to build over here. And then if you want to come over here, boo. Nation Islam already did it. Nation Islam already showed black men. And it's, there was convert women who were like prostitutes, some of that.

And then the woman was coming like, you know, like, like decent women. So, how come black men in America can't do? I just don't get that. And I understand it because I, I live overseas with you and no other black man in the world can do what we got popping. It's not, it's not, it's not easy. So, I don't understand like, it's so many women that secretly will support what you're doing,

that, that look good.

How many good-looking women are feminists? Go.

All right. So, we got to cover a few things because you touched on a few different, uh, things. I go to the head.

No, you go ahead. You cook it. Uh, but let's go, let's go to the business first because that's, that's where you started the business. Um, and I'm not saying like, I'm pretty sure you would be definitely successful, uh, in your business in America as well. However, you know, your costs are lower in Africa. Correct.

Your payroll. Yes.

Is lower in Africa. So now you have more money at your disposal to reinvest into your business. I'm not saying you can't do that the same thing in America, but you got to realize the time and the fact that you, you know, you can do easier checks and balances because you're not paying $4,000 a month for an apartment. You know, you don't have that stress because you, you just cut your cost by living overseas in general. So that indirectly helps your business because it helped mine.

You know, it definitely helped mine. I had a big mortgage. And everything like that. So, you know, I don't know if I could have pulled the Passport Bros off, you know, um, because I'm an actionable guy. I like to, you know, take action and just not talk on it. But I don't know if I could have built the Passport Bros while in Atlanta, you know. At the same time, I probably could have had group meetups and stuff like that. But people like to see, you know, you living what you're speaking to. They like to see that you overseas. So in that case, I will say there's opportunities and you can live overseas in a country where the cost of living is lower and you can return back to America highly successful because the last four years you've been grinded and you've been able to put money back into your business. I know a brother out here that has a stem cell, uh, lab. I know a brother out here that has a nail salon, massage shops, restaurants, and everything like that. They're building their little businesses out here as well, man. So, um, you can build and everybody don't have to leave America, but you got black men building overseas just like they building in the States. It might not be to the same scale, but it doesn't have to be because instead of you making a $100,000 in the States and giving it right back to the mortgage or the rent man or the car notes and the business and all that, you can make 70, 60,000 in these other countries and be perfectly fine. All right? Because the checks and balances it, it all balances out. That's one thing to come to business. Now, I think you mentioned, uh, more so what was the second thing you mentioned? You touched on a couple subjects. Damn. I lost me right there.

No, no, you, you was cooking. Um, what was the second part? Because I had a, I had a good, uh,

I think I was talking about the fact that, um, you can, if they don't want to, the donation to Islam. If they don't want to listen, you can just kick them out.

Right. Right. So, so on that note, I'm not saying that all black men, I don't even want all black men to travel to these different countries and everything and the women everything like that. I feel like most of these brothers can stay in America. It's 20 something million of us. I would hate to have 20 million brothers in damn Brazil and Rio. They f it up, right? But I do feel like it's, it's a minority of guys that like the passport bro ideology, the black man's options ideology of expanding, you know, expanding your options, whether it be dating, whether it be business, whether it be having several passports, whether it be having different properties overseas in different countries. There's power in that, too. I know guys that own apartments in Brazil, you know, a couple apartments in Brazil, a couple of apartments in Colombia, a condo in Thailand. You know, brothers is moving like that. You know, you know, I'm investing in certain properties like that, too. So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a positive thing. It's not a negative thing. Outside of the dating, the dating part of it is,

you know, is an opinion basically. You know, like I say, in the perfect world, we all would be with each other. But there's still a lot of opportunities. And black men take these opportunities, man, and do something with it. That's just what it is. Globalizing is going to help you. It's not going to hurt you. It's going to attract. All right. It's a positive. It's not, it's not going to detract from your life. Most definitely.

Hopefully, hopefully I answer that well, brother. I try to touch on everything.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I won't, we had, I think we got enough for the comment section to go ahead on and get into. Like I said, you made a lot of strong points. You know, the school, two school, the two schools of thoughts, like we already know it was gonna be a good conversation because, but I saw that slick comment. I'm gonna go back and find that comment,

in in the stream.

I mean, I, I, I still feel like I deserve a say in in those circles too though, despite my wife being Asian. I still feel like, you know, I'm not necessarily call me necessarily a pro black or anything like that, but I still feel like I should have some a say. You know, I want to see my community do good as well, you know.

Okay. So, let me ask you this then, right?

So, the successful black men, I mean, it ain't always got to be like the richest people, but the most enterprising people, like people who can develop things for others, and you would be somebody like that, right?

People that can develop ideologies and and things and platforms that other people can use and benefit from.

Exactly. Yeah. So when the black community says they see you, they see Byron Allen or somebody like Jamie Fox and obviously we're more successful than somebody like us.

Yeah.

But let's just say in general, anybody that's just like doing whatever, right? So then they come back and say, "Okay, you probably don't have the problem that other brothers are talking about."

And you, you, you want to say in the black community, like what, what kind of say do, do you want to have,

to those like when you say you want to have a say, what kind of say do you want to be able to have? Because you know, people going to automatically see like, okay, well, he's from Atlanta. It's black city. So he, he came back with somebody that's not black. And so what's, what he's already made his choice,

in so many words. Um, how do you respond to that level of criticism?

Man, I want, I wanna, one of my goals is to work with the inner city youth. I want to be able to take black kids from these, you know, sketchy environments, these inner cities.

You know, I'm not on no Anton Daniel [ __ ]. I love the black youth, right? I think that's our tomorrow. I think we should take a strong focus on the next generation. I don't think we do that enough. We, we so quick they call them Ys and bash them. What my goal is is to be able to, you know, take, you know, funds, organization funds or or create a nonprofit, go to these inner cities, Atlanta, Memphis, and everything. Bring these kids overseas to Brazil to meet the, you know, locals to play soccer. Get them out these environments, man. Right. So they can see that, oh, it's a bigger world than just southwest Atlanta, you know? Uh, I, I was blessed enough to go to private school, but at the same time on the, you know, on my dad's side, I'm in the projects. So I was able to see both worlds. I saw how, you know, my brother, you know, did 10 years in prison and I, you know, I went to college, you know, I felt like if my brother would have had the same opportunity that I did because I, I was able to visit the hood in the summertime in the projects, but he actually had to live there full time. So he had different set of friends, different set of decisions that he had to make. And you know, he was in the worst neighborhood in Atlanta,

right? So I want to be that,

uh, the silver road area. Southwest Atlanta area. Simil Road area.

Right.

Okay. Okay. Okay.

You know, so that's that, that would be my goal. I don't want somebody to say, "Well, Aaron, you got an Asian wife. Why you want to help the black community? Why you want to start a nonprofit for black boys?" You know, because I feel like they're the seeds of our society. Not only black boys, but black girls, too. I want to be able to take a group of them, 20, 30 of them to Brazil for two weeks, to Colombia for two weeks every year, so they can see a different environment.

Okay. All right. Cool. So,

so that to answer your question, man, it's like,

can I do that? Would you have a problem with me with that because my wife is Asian?

No. No, no, no. I don't, I don't necessarily have a problem with what you're talking about. I don't even have a problem with Jimmy Fox doing it. What I have a problem with is the, um, what do you call it when somebody is like, uh, somebody's faking something. I don't know what you call it. Um,

they speak, they speak one way but live another way.

Yeah. It's kind of like they're acting or it's, um, I don't know. I'm,

being a hypocrite or something.

Yeah. So, they're just putting on a like a show. You know what I mean?

Like that's the problem I have where you're, you're expousing that you're some way when the cameras are on.

You know, just to sound like Jesse Williams, we will be better for you black women and you marry somebody white. Like, and you've always kind of had that intention. So,

I, I know Jesse Williams did that.

Yeah, man. Like, I mean, I mean, it's his part. He did have a black wife before, but, you know, I think I have a problem with somebody just trying to just like show like it's theatrics,

and then but then your life, your, your, your life shows something different than what you're talking about. And that's the issue I have. I don't have an issue with somebody who, you know, like I said, you know, they are in the black community. They want to just, you know, Harry Bellafonte type of stuff. You know, support the black community, but you have a, you know, non-black wife. Okay, whatever. I understand it. But, you know, at the same time, you know, people going to look at that as as being suspicious because it's almost like a white person, a white person that's married to a black person.

Mhm. But it's, I'm, I'm really standing up for white issues or a Chinese person married to a black person saying I'm, people going, people in that community are going to be suspicious of that person because the number one thing that they're going to say is, well then why didn't you make that commitment like, and I think black people are the only people that feel like we can be like Maya Angelou which, you know, other a lot of times other races don't respect it. If you're a, a Hispanic man and you talking about like, I'm, I'm Hispanic, I'm prohispanic, this is what I'm doing, and then you know, you come back with a black person, somebody else, then you know, people in their community going to question that. They're going to question how sincere you are because if you feel this strongly about it, then why didn't you make the case to be with somebody from your community? Same thing with Quamer. They got a Egyptian wife. Okay, you want to be, so if you feel so strongly, then why? Especially if the person is lighter skin, lighter hue, mixed, you know what I mean? So then people will start to look at that underlying and say, well then this is what his real preference is. So is there, so then why is he want to be, does he want something from us or, you know, is it, is there a reason why he's doing it?

So I just think that people also have the right to question the intentions of people who make a decision outside of the community that they have the right to question that.

You know, you know, you know what's funny? You know what's funny? Remember that movie, um, don't be a minister by drinking your juice in the hood? Yeah. You remember that scene when, when the brother was at the, uh, the black power brother,

you know, he had, he said by magnesia.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's the part you have the issue with basically. I see what you're saying.

Yeah. Stuff like that. But just in general, especially if you're a, if you're a black man, you're successful,

and you, you, you come into the NAACP meetings, you got a white wife, Asian wife, some John Legend, quite naturally, people are going to question your intentions. They're going to question.

Do you have, do you have an issue with Frederick Douglas? Do you feel like Frederick Douglas did a lot for, you know, liberation in black America, but he end up marrying a white woman? Yeah, I think I think that happened like toward the end of his life or whatever.

I think Frederick Douglas is, um, because you have those like Harry Bellafonte married to a black woman, then white woman, or whatever.

I think that all cases are examined case by case, right?

Okay.

Um, and with somebody like Frederick Douglas committing, you know, so much like Malcolm X, Malcolm X is not even all, let's say, black American or whatever. Mom is from somewhere else, right? Um, so it's so easy to say, but I

Think case by case and what their contribution is to to the community, but on average what I would say is people are going to even for me living in Uganda, if I come back with a when I was in Poland for like seven years, if I came back to Poland talking the way I talk, nobody would take it seriously because my the way that I talk about things is too is too strong, is too passionate for me to talk like that with somebody white.

If I talk like this and I have somebody Ugandan or Nikinian, that still passes to a certain degree because you could you could probably say, well, the lady at least if she's dark enough, she at least looks like somebody from his community. So that means that he could marry somebody from the community, right?

Now, if I come back with somebody that's like, let's say I end up with somebody like from Spain and talking like how I talk and and be and to be clear, you don't talk like me. So you don't you don't make content like me. You don't take my positions. Jamie Fox does though, right? People like you don't take my positions. Like you may feel it, but you don't you're not putting it out there.

If if I do that and I come back with like like you know somebody from another community, then people going to say that I'm a hypocrite. They going to say that I'm a that that I'm I'm really being performative. That's the word. And they got they have the right to question it because I'm the one that put my ideas out there to the world because I said that I was down with uh I'm down with Black Lives Matter, but I got the white girlfriend there. I'm the one hating on I'm the one mad at DI. I'm talking about I'm from our people. I'm the one saying that when you see me on the speedboat, I'm living next to the white man. I'm I'm all my white friends dinners and then when the camera come on, I'm performative. So that that's the difference, right? So people got to they have the right to examine my behavior and see if it matches up by what I say. You know, that's the only thing that I'm saying.

I think if you're in an interracial relationship, you know, hey, things happen cuz I could have been in one in Poland. I could have easily felt that way. And I think that a part a certain part of me would have always wanted to be with somebody black and I probably still would I would be felt like you, right? But at the same time, I would know that if I introduce my Polish wife to somebody, I know that I'm going to not have as much credibility because she is white and it's going to be hard to explain that to somebody.

Okay. Okay. So, I want to I want to go back to a point real quick. You mentioned that she's your girl was a lighter hu. What do you feel about Tariq Nasheed and his Mulatto wife? Her mom is white.

Yeah, I think so. That's that's the that's a a good question. So, the thing with the Mulatto people, okay, so the half black, half whites, right? What do they identify? I did a video about that with um um Tyrese. So, if I had evidence that she wasn't identifying as black at first, like she lived her life as like a a just I'm AfroJewish and she married Tariq and now all of a sudden now she's black. then I would I would have something to say about it. But she generally she generally was raised by a white woman. So she's going to be more like a white woman.

Okay. So and Tariq specifically said in Matt lessons that black men should and I necessar I didn't disagree or agree with him. Yeah. But I just think it's shocking because I feel like you mentioned Jamie F. You should probably mention Tariq, too, because he told black men to marry a a mixed woman with a black father and a white wife. He said that.

I heard that. I heard that. Here's what I believe that happened with him, and I'm not um taking that for anybody. I believe that just like his ideology has changed over the years, that was maybe him like what, how old was he then? Definitely young. Definitely younger. This was in his Mac lesson days. Yeah. So he was not even like he he's made a a different he's like you know 20 years ago something like that. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. So some of the [ __ ] I was saying when I first met you I wasn't at the level that I'm at now. Right.

So what I what I believe is that you got black men that deal with somebody that's and again he did say that but I don't hear him saying that now. Okay. It could have been that cuz remember when I first started in the black manosphere, I was the kind of guy that felt like you couldn't work with black people. I was actually a little bit more harder on black women at that particular time in 2015 than I am now. Mhm. But people change. So now that that now now the evidence must show that did he change? I believe that he probably did.

And for whatever reason, I mean, he's been consistent the last 10 years on what he's talking about. So I think that people like if the person's mulatto still people going to question that why is a person everybody going to question somebody with somebody mulatto but a person that's mulatto is have black half white. So what's going to happen is this black American people are going to always if you're a black American and you marry a black American that's going to always be preferred. Okay that's tier one. Tier two, Caribbean, Haitian, African, Nigerian-American, whatever. Right? That's tier two. Okay. Tier three is gonna be mulatto. Okay. And then tier four is going to be non-blacks, non-whites. Mhm. Most people have some level of of um acceptance. Definitely tier one, tier two. Tier three is acceptable. Tier four is when people start having an issue. Mhm. Where the person is Mexican, the person's Asian, the person is whatever. You know, the people that the people that really do care about it is going to have issue. So, I still think that it's not the ultimate tier, but it's tier three. And that person has some level of black identity. And then does that black does that person has has that person identified their whole time as being black? Cuz we got a lot of people like let's say the uh uh Jesse Williams he's mulatto but he been like you know some of them people always identify as black their whole life right you know so then the community accept him like that like Colin like what's going with Colin Kaepernick when he's you know the protest and his old wife. So now he's identifying with the black struggle. So people would consider him one of us. Now his wife, I'm pretty sure I don't I've never met her before, but when I look at her, she like she's I mean she doesn't look extremely light-skinned to me. She like somebody from the community when I look at her, but still tier one, tier two, tier three. Tier four is where people start talking really bad about you. You know, I mean, I don't know. That's what I think.

Yeah. Yeah. I think you can be mixed if the person identified like, okay, let's say with Tyrese's wife. Tyresese's wife was in a was a Latina palent pageant in 2011 at University of Georgia, but she was not in the black pageant in 2011 at University of Georgia. So that means she didn't start identifying until black until he got with her. Then she was black queen. Mhm. Travis Hunter wife, Lyanna Len, she's on record saying I'm a Latina. Now when she get this the these Mercedes Ben trucks now she black cuz it benefit her, right?

I think she said her mom is black though. I think she mixed. Yeah, she mixed. But she was saying that she's lot like well I'm a Latina so I drink tequila a lot. Mhm. But you you got some people that's like black Puerto Ricans are black. They they don't they they still can say I'm still black. They'll say they'll use the phrase I'm black. Yeah. Because in their in their culture to identify with black is identify with, you know, badness, the losing race, the sla, you know, enslavement, even though they went through the same exact thing over there, right? You know. So, yeah. Yeah, man.

So, brother, we've been going on for a long time, family. Anything you else want to say? No, bro. That was a a legendary show. I love that we can show the audience that brothers can have, you know, different views but still be able to come on and, you know, tell their different perspective, man. I appreciate you allowing me to come on your platform, brother. Much love to you. I've seen you grow from 15,000 subs all the way to almost half a million subs, man. And I remember, I don't know if you remember this, but the first time we talked, I think I had said something in the comment section and you roasted me. He was like, "Man, you with your blue polo shirt wearing ass." Yeah. You know, I just bust out laughing. And uh ever since then, man, I just, you know, wish you even more success, brother. You know, you you put it in. You know, we've been friends for quite some time, brother. So, man, shout out to you, man, to all your success, brother.

Oh, that Brazil, those Brazil that Brazil trip, brother, if it wasn't for you family, um I wouldn't have I wouldn't have found that church that I have found. Ah, brother. And you also gave me my first super chat, man. I really appreciate that, man. Oh, yeah. Okay, man. Yeah. Cool, bro. So, um I'm gonna basically um get Tell everybody about the channel, man. I mean, you are, you know, let everybody know. Oh. Oh, yeah. Uh BMT travels or BMT Live right now. BMT Live, man. And uh just me going to different countries, you know. I've been to Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Cambodia, Japan, all them places. And you know, I just I mainly do lives and street interviews. like to catch different guys perspective of their experience traveling the world. So, uh, check out the channel BNT Live. All right. Cool. Cool.

So, man, uh, brother, I really appreciate you so much, family. Um, let me go ahead on and get myself to to work and, uh, thank you so much for coming on, man. Let's see how it does. For sure. Salute, bro. Peace, man. And I