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You asked the question. I'm going to answer your question. This was what I spent my time doing. I am a survivor trying to look out for other survivors trying, and I was taking care of the people who lost thousands of lives. I'll yield to Miss.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Madam Secretary, thank you for returning this afternoon. Secretary Clinton, is your husband someone the committee should investigate?
My husband will be here tomorrow. You'll have a chance to ask him questions. So my question is, is your husband, this committee is someone this committee should investigate?
Ask and answer.
Apparently you are. You've subpoenaed him. He's going to be here tomorrow.
In your testimony before the break, you discussed why you believe President Trump should testify before our committee due to a quote pattern of behavior, end quote. You testified that a pattern of behavior warrants accountability. So I want to make sure I understand, uh, your standard correctly. The pattern of behavior you describe includes being held civilly liable, indictments, sexually deviant behavior. Correct.
Yes.
In 1998, your husband was found civilly liable for sexual misconduct with Paula Jones and settled for $850,000. Is that correct?
Yes.
By your standard of pattern of behavior, should your husband testify before this committee?
He is testifying tomorrow.
On December 19th, 1998, President Clinton was impeached on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice directly related to his extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky. Is that correct?
Yes.
And your husband was impeached for perjury related to sexual behavior. Correct.
I didn't understand what you said.
Your husband was impeached for perjury related to sexual behavior. His sexual behavior.
He, he was impeached for several, uh, uh, several, uh, reasons, uh, and then was, uh, acquitted in the Senate.
And your husband flew on Jeffrey Epstein's plane 17 to 26 times. Correct.
He made several trips with different legs on the trip, as I recall.
But he flew on Jeffrey Epstein's plane 17 to 26 times. Um, were you aware that Secret Service was dropped on some of those flights?
That is not my understanding.
Were they, were not on some of those flights?
That is not my understanding.
So, your understanding is that Secret Service was on all of the flights that President Clinton was on.
That is my understanding.
Um, by this standard of behavior, multiple credible accusers, including Juanita Broaddrick, who alleged rape against your husband. Your husband was disbarred in Arkansas, lost his license, law license before the Supreme Court, flew on Epstein's plane dozens of times, visited Epstein's island.
That is not true.
That is absolutely untrue.
Well, there's documentation in the DOJ files. I'm not sure you're aware your attorneys have told you, but, uh, Jeffrey Epstein told, uh, one of the victims to lie to investigators, to lie that Bill Clinton was ever on Epstein Island. I can provide that document to your.
We would like that document, please.
Council, because actually the files say just the opposite. Epstein himself denied he was.
These are FBI notes from an interview with a victim. Um, and I can get you the victim number and the case number and the files. These are notes from a 302 interview.
Would you like those? Are you going to provide those now?
I, I don't. That's not my line of questioning. She brought it up, but I have a document.
Sorry. You're making a representation as to the fact.
I didn't enter anything as an exhibit.
It's, but it's factually inaccurate.
No, I can give it to you later. I can go find the document, make copies of it, and give it to you this afternoon.
Thank you so much.
Okay. By your standard of pattern of behavior, um, according to documents released by the Department of Justice, your husband appears in photos in swimming pools, hot tubs, a poor Jeffrey, aboard Jeffrey Epstein's private plane with unidentified young women. We came here today and told this committee, you told this committee that a pattern of behavior demands accountability. Correct.
I said that I believe the committee should call anyone who had a substantial pattern in practice of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and his crimes, uh, before they came to light.
And does that include your husband?
And after they came to light. You're going to have a chance to question him tomorrow.
So I'll ask you again, by the standard you just set in your own words just now, does this standard apply equally to your husband or only President Trump?
I have said that my husband has been subpoenaed. He will appear. He will answer your questions to the best of his ability, but there is no evidence whatsoever of any connection with Jeffrey Epstein's crimes, and I think that that will be, uh, obviously, uh, apparent in the questioning.
What makes you so sure of that then? I mean, he's he's photographed.
Objection to speculate on something that's not. It is so speculative. I mean, swimming in a pool, sitting in a hot tub. There are millions of people who do that without any improper behavior or certainly committing any crimes. So, uh, I think.
You think most of the men are like your husband that did anything wrong? By they being surrounded by young women giving them massages on Jeffrey's private estate or private plane. Are they all innocent then?
You know, you are making assumptions in your questions that have not been proven and I don't believe are provable. Okay.
Why did it, why did you wait six months to have this hearing today or have this testimony?
You know, I've answered that. I thought that given the way that other witnesses who were subpoenaed at the same time were being treated, uh, that there was an unfair, uh, treatment of both my husband and myself. Uh, and I thought that especially from my perspective, I had very little, if any, information to provide you and that I could have done it in a sworn statement and you could have moved on to depose somebody else who might have more information that would be beneficial to your, uh.
Two more questions, then we're going to pass it to Congresswoman Congresswoman Luna. After Jeffrey Epstein was convicted, did it concern you at all, um, that you had taken a substantial amount of money from Jeffrey Epstein?
That's an inappropriate, uh, assumption. I did not take a substantial amount of money from Jeffrey Epstein. So far as I know, Jeffrey Epstein contributed to the joint committee that, uh, was supporting my Senate race in.
Which was how much?
I believe I was told $20,000.
You don't consider $20,000 substantial?
I do not consider it relevant to me because I have no recollection that I ever knew that he gave any money to.
So you talk to your donors that gave $20,000 to your campaign.
My understanding of the rules back then is that there was no coordination between the committee and the campaign. So, no, I have no recollection.
But that doesn't mean you can't speak to your donors. That doesn't prohibit the law does not prohibit you speaking to.
But I, I didn't know he was a donor. As far as I knew, he was not a donor until I learned this in preparation.
Did you at all that Maxwell was heavily involved with people you knew and were close to?
I knew people that I knew knew her. Yes, that's true. And you didn't, you just shrugged, you didn't want to look into it or.
Nobody questioned, you know, until her crimes were revealed and she was indicted and tried and convicted. I don't think people knew, uh, very much about at all what.
How do you know Howard Lutnick?
I know Howard Lutnick because when I was senator on 9/11, the firm he headed, Cantor Fitzgerald, suffered the greatest loss of life. As I recall, something like 650 of his employees were murdered by terrorists that day. Howard Lutnick missed being a victim because he was delayed dropping his child off to kindergarten.
You asked the question, I'm going to answer your question. This was what I spent my time doing. I am a survivor trying to look out for other survivors trying.
And I was taking care of the people who lost thousands of lives and now you're being defiant, indignant today.
You asked me about Epstein survivors. I'm a survivor myself. You have emails. You've denied that Jeffrey Epstein, that you tried to get Jeffrey Epstein to give money to you. Howard Lutnick was using an email with me asking Jeffrey Epstein for money.
Email from Howard Lutnick sending it to Jeffrey Epstein and his people to raise money for you for an event, an intimate event for you at his offices at Cantor Fitzgerald, and you're going to sit here today and obfuscate and say to this committee you didn't try to get money from Jeffrey Epstein when there was an intimate event in an email that Howard Lutnick emailed to Epstein's people and Epstein to get him to come to your intimate event at Cantor Fitzgerald, a very small event. And so I'm not going to put. You want to yell at me, that's fine, but I'll yell right back. Okay? I am looking out for. I'm doing the job that you would not do and refuse to do as Secretary of State. Thank you. And I yield back to.
No, I'm going to finish answering the question, which I have a right to do.
I am very sympathetic to your personal situation. I have read about it. I have seen you testify or speak on the floor about it, and I very much sympathize with not only what you went through but appreciate your effort to stand up for survivors. I was a senator representing the people who were murdered on 9/11. Nobody lost more people than Howard Lutnick. You can say whatever you want. You can call him and have him appear before the committee.
I knew him. I knew him as the man who lost the employees that he knew intimately, including his brother.
And he was so money for you.
Better finish your answer.
You know what?
If you don't want to hear what emotionally affected me, that's fine.
But that's why I know Howard Lutnick. I went to the memorial service every 9/11 after the formal service was held. I see what you're doing here and you're upscan. That is how I know Howard Lutnick.