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How you going to bring up losing in the first round to a guy who's won six NBA championships? Like, that's that's that's just a silly argument, you know?
Um, Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier one time, they were in studio with Howard Cosell before their rematch. And, um, Joe Frazier told Ali he tried to make fun of Ali for going to the hospital for a swollen jaw that Joe Frazier gave him. And Ali looked at him and said, "You ignorant. Why would you bring up me going to the hospital for a swollen jaw that you gave me in the first fight when I was only there for an hour? Right? And you had to go to the hospital for what I did to you for over a month because you almost died. Now, what type of dumb [ __ ] is that?"
Like, why would you, why would you bring up a guy getting knocked out of the first round of the playoffs when your man has lost five NBA Finals? Like, knock it off, man. In the first round? F— Well, Michael knows what it feels like to win six, and Kobe knows what it feels like to win five, and LeBron doesn't know that. LeBron know what it's like? Know what like, LeBron, LeBron know what it like to to feel the tenderness, uh, of my deltoids. Well, LeBron, LeBron and Michael can talk about knowing what it's like to win the F— win the MVP in every finals they play, that they play in, and they won the championship. Kobe don't know what that's like. Big Diesel was getting all o— all right, guys, I agree with that, um, Shannon's sentiment about Shaq being the better player. But I've already stated that numerous times in the past. We all know that Shaq was the better player. All right, then Kobe and a top 10 all-time great. All right, so now we're going to see what Stephen A simp and, uh, the super liberal Caucasian Jewish man, Max Kellerman, we're going to see what they have to say about this topic in regards to Jordan's assertion that Kobe is better than LeBron. Yes, His Airness. When he speaks, we all listen. Michael Jeffrey Jordan was asked this at his summer camp in California on Monday. "What I rank LeBron over Kobe in terms of best all-time? No. There's something about five that beats three. Now, he may be better than that, but Kobe won five championships. LeBron won three." Jordan hasn't changed his opinion since he made a similar comment in 2013 when LeBron only had one title. Kobe had his five. Max, do you agree with MJ? Y— No. In fact, not only did I disagree with him, MJ's wrong. By the way, Mike, Bill Russell got 12 or 11? 12. What do you got? You got six. You're better than Bill Russell? And Bill Russell, before Michael Jordan, was considered by many the greatest player of all time. Jordan beat him with half the chips. Well, you know, this is the second guy to try to use this argument. You know, let me explain why the argument, it just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't hold water. Like I said, the sample size with Bill Russell is too small in regards to his competition. And I'll be the first one to tell you that Bill Russell will be, uh, just as dominant today or any other era as he was, was in his era. Right? Bill Russell was a combination of, of, of a Kevin Garnett and Dennis Rodman. Right? He was a dominant, dominant player. But it's like saying that Babe Ruth is the greatest, uh, home run hitter ever, or the greatest hitter ever, even though he was so far away and above the competition in his day. The fact of the matter is that the sample size of talent that he played against was so small that you cannot judge him against players of the modern era. Right? He has to be judged against his own era. So, Babe Ruth played against the best Caucasian players, uh, mostly east of the Mississippi during his time period. Now, you compare him to a player like today, say, a Mike Trout, who's playing against the greatest players in the world, literally on the whole planet. Now, am I saying that Mike Trout is better than Babe Ruth? No. What I'm saying is that when you compare greatness, you have to go by eras. You cannot necessarily, um, you cannot necessarily transmute judgment of players or evaluation of players across that length of time when they were playing under different circumstances. Right? You have to factor that in. 12. The point is that Kobe Bryant has more championships than LeBron James. That is true. Also, Kobe was the best player, definitely, on two of the teams on which he played that won championships. LeBron has been the best player on every team he's ever played by far. It's not close. If you want to look at their numbers, not just points per game, rebounds per game, like for their careers, assists per game, blocks per game, steals per game, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron. All the advanced metrics, LeBron, size, and all that stuff, LeBron's bigger, stronger, better passer, all those kind of things. Better steroids, allegedly. That all goes to LeBron. If you want to look at the playoff numbers, points, that would be Kobe. Right? Wrong. LeBron. Rebounds? Kobe. No. LeBron. Assists? No. LeBron. Steals? LeBron. Blocks? LeBron. All the counting numbers say LeBron. All the advanced metrics say LeBron. The rings say Kobe. And the counter to the argument I just made statistically about LeBron, well, of course, Kobe can't average the same number of points and rebounds and assists and steals and blocks and everything because he's playing with Shaq. Right? He was playing with Shaq, giving him a better chance to win those first three championships. Agreed. As many great players now that LeBron has made sure he's played with because he took his fate into his own hands. He's never played with a player like Shaq. If you gave LeBron James a player like Shaq, no one. I look, let's put it this way. When he got Dwyane Wade, forget about Bosh for a second. Just the fact that he was linking up with Wade at a time where we thought Wade was a top three to five player, it was already like, this is unfair. You give LeBron someone like Shaq. So, I know Kobe's got more rings, but, and Kobe's among the greatest players of all time, but LeBron is the first non-big to ever challenge Michael Jordan. He ain't winning the challenge, but at least challenge Michael Jordan as greatest non-big who ever lived. I will say this, there was an attempt made by the media, the same attempt that they made last season, but, and, but there was a concerted attempt made by the media in 2011 to say that Kobe Bryant would be, would surpass Jordan if he could have tied him with championships with six. They were doing the same thing back in 2011. Of course, the Lakers got swept because their time had come to an end. It was a changing of the guard in regards to style of play in the league. It was no more pound the ball, pound the pound the ball, super physicality. Now they went to more team-oriented, um, passing and, and, uh, outside shooting. That's what the Mavericks ushered in in 2011. And, you know, they were doing that back then with Kobe. So they were trying to, um, they were trying to allege that Kobe Bryant was challenging Jordan as the greatest non-big player to ever play. Know, of course, people like myself saw right through it. But LeBron is not the first person that they've claimed could challenge Jordan for that type of supremacy. Several points that Max and the Max Kellerman of the world to w— be consistently miss. Couple, no, actually Kellerman isn't a wannabe when it comes to basketball. Actually, that's you. You're the one who try to act like you play the way Stephen A talks. You think he played 15 years for the Lakers? Couple of points. Number one, Michael Jordan never, ever once said he's the greatest ever. No one has ever heard that out of the mouth of Michael Jordan. All that's a great point. There's this straw man argument that's that, um, that both Max and, and, uh, Shannon tried to, you know, tried to elicit by stating that, well, if by your logic, then you're not greater than Bill Russell. Michael Jordan might tell you that he's not greater than Bill Russell, right? In a, a humble moment, but if you get him on the court, of course, he's going to say he's the greatest ever. So, in other words, whatever his standard is, it's applicable to anything that he says because Michael Jordan has never said, "I am the greatest who ever lived." Okay? So when people sit up there say, "Well, in public, he's never said that." In private, Phil Jackson was on record. I'm trying to remember which book it was I read it in. Might have been Jordan Rules. He used to play back, he used to run back old film reels of, um, of Walt Frazier to Michael Jordan, and Jordan would look at it and say, "This guy couldn't play today. He couldn't do anything with me. He's too slow." Right? Of course, Phil Jackson, for those of you who know, used to play with the Knicks back in the late '60s, early '70s. He was a teammate of Clyde of Walt Clyde Frazier. But Jordan, Jordan would look at old film of players and he would, you know, he was, he would say that they didn't match up well with him at all. So, but, you know, again, Jordan is respectful in public, but, you know, that's professional athletes. They're alpha males. They're supposed to say that they're the best. Best. They say, "Well, Michael, if you're bringing that up, that means Bill Russell was better than you." Who knows? Michael Jordan might say, "Sure, okay. No problem. He's better because he's got 11 rings." That's Michael Jordan's standard. That's number one. Number two, I've said this on many occasions and I'll say it again. LeBron James is an absolute freak of nature. He is one of the greatest we have ever seen from a talent perspective. He's top two, may go down as number one all-time. Okay? I would take LeBron James all day, every day, and twice on Sundays for the first 46 minutes. But with the game on the line, uh-uh. It's a whole bunch of players that I would take ahead of LeBron James. LeBron is not number two all-time. All right? He's, he's number 10. He's somewhere in that lower half of, of the top 10. But he's definitely not number two. And Kobe Bryant would be one of them. Last two minutes, game on the line, postseason action, things of that nature. I'm roll with Kobe. And when you think about Michael Jordan and what Michael Jordan has to say, I think it's incredibly important that everybody understands the standard with which he's measuring. It's not just about, it's not just about the number of championships. It's about actually winning them. There's a whole bunch of cats that can contribute, but there are very few who can close the deal. Kobe Bryant was one of those people who could close the deal. We saw it when they won their first championship when Shaq fouled out and Kobe Bryant had to take over and play against the Indiana Pacers and take control. What we're seeing is, we also look at it, he was waiting for this moment, talking about this moment, salivating for the moment. Whereas LeBron had to be pushed and prided to that point. He had to go to South Beach. He had to play with Dwyane. Hold up, hold up. Stop revising history. Uh, LeBron didn't have to be prided to do anything. He was trying to win championships the whole time. He went down to South Beach because he understood that Cleveland would never draw free agents. Kobe Bryant also requested a trade after he ran off Shaq. He requested a trade after the '07 season, and he was ready to go, and they were finally able to bring in Pau Gasol. All right, people, people have tried to, uh, promote this narrative that Kobe Bryant has been so loyal to the Lakers. All that is [ __ ]. All right, he got angry over, over Andrew Bynum, I believe, the Andrew Bynum drafting, and he wanted to be traded out of LA. All right, he wanted, matter of fact, I think it was that he wanted Andrew Bynum to be traded for Jason Kidd, something along those lines, and, um, that trade didn't go through. He got frustrated with Mitch Kupchak and demanded a trade. All right? So stop trying to act like Kobe was this loyal guy to the Lakers. All that is [ __ ]. He had to sit up there and be lectured and tutored and counseled by a Dwyane Wade and, and Pat Riley. And then after he did that, and Kobe had to be lectured and tutored and counsel by Phil Jackson. That they had to convince him, "It's your time. You're the best in the world." If you remember in 2012, there was an All-Star game. Well, you know, Magic Johnson, Pat Riley had to sit down with Magic Johnson and tell him, "It's your team." LeBron was just being respectful to Dwyane Wade, taking place. And the game was on the line. This is after, my Max, you'll remember this, this is after LeBron James and the Miami Heat had lost in the finals to the Dallas Mavericks. And Dwyane Wade and these boys are proud of them. "It's your time. It's your time. It's your time." It's the All-Star weekend. It's an exhibition. Nothing is on the line. LeBron James has the ball at the top of the key with Kobe guarding him. And instead of taking the shot himself, he tried to throw a pass, and it got picked off by Blake Griffin. Kobe Bryant punked him in that, in that, um, that All-Star game. I remember like it was yesterday. He was telling him, "Why, why aren't you taking a shot? Why won't you shoot it?" That was just coming off of Michael Jordan coming out and saying that, um, "When you make LeBron drive to the left, he can't finish left. Right? He said, when you make LeBron go left, he pulls up to shoot. LeBron only wants to finish at the cup when he drives right." And that made LeBron improve his left-hand finishing because it was correct. Kobe actually made LeBron drive left in that All-Star game and then blocked his shot. And Melo got in his face, and Kobe got in his face, and Dwyane had got in his face. They're like, "What are you doing?" So all I'm saying is, my last point is this. All I'm saying is the, the level of greatness that they were willing to embrace, and they were salivating for. LeBron had to be pushed towards. And if you are Michael Jordan, you take that into consideration when you think about how you rank a player. Well, contrary to popular opinion, uh, LeBron actually was a, a very good clutch player until the 2010 season, um, where I thought, where I believe he started to have a mental breakdown for whatever reason. First against the Celtics, when his mother was sleeping around, sleeping with his teammates. And then 2011, for whatever a reason, he had a complete meltdown. From what I understand, his wife was, uh, sleeping around on him with with Rashad Lewis, allegedly. And, you know, who knows? Might have been some NBA rigging involved with the Mavericks and the Heat. You know, it is what it is. But I thought that it took him a while to, um, to rebound from the stigma about him not being a clutch player that he started to believe and embrace. And I thought that a major step out of that was when, um, when he had that phenomenal Game 6 against the, which is still to this day, one of the great playoff game performances I've ever seen by any player, especially in a clutch moment. I mean, that was unbelievable. Sure that you're describing Jordan's thought process. The question is, is he right or wrong? And the an— there is an answer to this. He's wrong. It's not close enough between LeBron and Kobe. And this is the classic mistake people make that Co— Kobe's the better closer. Yes, I would also rather have Kobe, uh, trying to score than LeBron trying to score at the end of the game. I agree with that. If you're talking about just trying to score, even though LeBron is a better, by the numbers, a better clutch performer. All right? If we're saying both players have to take a shot, I would probably go with Kobe. All right? I'd probably go with him because he's a better outside jump shooter. Sure. I agree with that. Although I'm not sure I'd rather have Kobe with the ball in his hands at the end of the game than LeBron, because LeBron might make a better basketball decision. They're both basketball geniuses. They're both among the all-time greats. Let's just assume Kobe's a better closer. That would matter. That would push pass LeBron if it was that close. I agree. If that was the deciding factor, but it's not. It's not that close. LeBron has achieved the level ahead of Kobe that being a better closer, that's one of the things that that narrows the gap. If not for that, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Absolutely. But that doesn't do enough to put Kobe ahead of LeBron. That's one. Two, the, the kind of character issue. Look at Stephen A. See, the reason why Stephen A gets emotional over Kobe is because Kobe has been a guy who has provided him with a lot of information, uh, over the years. For those of you guys who don't know, Kobe is one of Stephen A's been one of Stephen A's top, I don't want to say snitches, but informants in regards to the NBA, allegedly issues that people talk about with LeBron where he doesn't fit cookie-cutter into the kind of champion we're used to seeing. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, killers. They just want to eat your heart. That's not LeBron. So, so we hold that against LeBron, but he achieved greatness maybe in a different way, in a way that we're not used to seeing, and that's okay too. And it doesn't mean he's less great than the other guys. And by the way, you did clean one thing up. Bill Russell, 11 championships. 11 or 12? It's 11 championships. 11 championships. I said it was 11 championships. That's number one. But I was the one who said 11 or 12. It's 11. All right. But, but, but let me also say this, Max. It's interesting that you bring this up because it's a very important point to make. When you have a guy that has an assassin's mentality, that goes a long way. That matters. People look at you and they see your willingness to accept and embrace that level of responsibility. I agree that the having the so-called assassin's mentality, it does do a lot in regards to the public's perception of you, um, especially as a leader, a so-called alpha. It definitely weighs heavily. And one of the ways in which, and like I've stated, uh, previously, I believe that at their peaks, Larry Bird was better than Magic. But one of the reasons why I put Magic over Larry Bird was how Magic was able to finish his career with the Lakers as opposed to Bird. Bird broke down, and Magic actually became a better player his last five years than he was his first seven years. All right, Magic's last, you know, four or five years with the Lakers, he was a better player than he was his first six or seven years. It's not just about fitting somebody into a box. It's, and one of the ways in which he was better was, of course, was, of course, his clutch scoring, understanding what that box is required. The Isiah Thomas had the Bad Boys, but everybody knew that Isiah was a killer. Allen Iverson, who you rave about more than anybody, was a straight killer. Didn't win a championship because he ran into Shaq and Kobe together. But we understand that that's one of the reasons why you wouldn't put Kyrie on AI's level because you consider AI a killer. So how do you ignore the killer that wasn't LeBron for so long? I'm not ignoring. I'm not ignoring. I'm saying that narrows the gap, but not quite enough. By the way, final MVPs. Kobe, two. LeBron, three. Even if you want to look at who's been the best player in the finals, the, and LeBron both know. You see, he's holding on to that straw man argument. That's not really what the debate is about. The debate is about Michael Jordan stating that Kobe Bryant is better than LeBron James. All right? You have to stick to that. Stop trying to create a criteria where you can agree and stay Kobe. Because deep down, Stephen A would take LeBron over Kobe as well. For you to say that you take LeBron in the first 46 minutes and Kobe in the last two, what really are you saying? You're saying that in your mind, compared to LeBron James, Kobe Bryant is just a specialist. We, okay, but those 46 minutes, a lot of the time, mean the last two minutes are irrelevant in the, thank you, sir, in the game played by LeBron. Counts, you know, and Kobe needs. But therefore, Kobe needs more around him in those first 46 minutes, even by your math. And when you do all the, when you sift it all out, it's not that Kobe's not great. Other than LeBron and Jordan, he's the greatest non-big ever. Certainly right there with Magic and Bird. Uh, that's, that's a debate. When you're talking about non-bigs, you're talking about Jordan, you're talking about, uh, Magic, Bird, LeBron. You got Dr. J in there. You have Oscar Robinson in there. You have the great Isiah Thomas in there. Like, I would have to sit down and think about that. Kobe's, you know, he's in that area. You know, like I said, he's in, he's in Isiah Thomas, Dr. J area. Okay? He's not in the Magic, Bird area, and he's not in the LeBron area. And he damn sure ain't in the Michael area. All right, right. Those five guys are the great non-bigs of all time. Um, but LeBron has separated himself from Magic and Bird and Kobe, and he's between that and Jordan. We can do this one all day. It's one of those good, solid barber shop debates. You see resignation on Kobe's face like, "I knew we were going to lose." When they lost in the finals, you saw him crying because, damn it, he expected to win. That's not the, I saw on LeBron's face is a different mentality. It matters. It matters to, uh, that's not, that's not fair though, you know. LeBron was having mental breakdowns when he lost in the finals. So come on, Stephen A, just mad that LeBron won't give him those exclusives like Kobe gives him his column check in. Kobe's column. All right, so we're done with that. When you guys are get on. All right, so now we're going to end it with this roundtable, which is normally very, very good and insightful. Let's see what they have to say about the, about Jordan's comments regarding LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. It's return for the National Basketball Association. And Michael Jordan, who made some more news at his flight school basketball camp today. MJ was asked if he ranks LeBron ahead of Kobe all-time and said no because, quote, "Five beats three." How her do you agree with Jordan that Kobe's better than LeBron? Is this the 13th shot at LeBron this week? 15? I mean, serious. How is this a shot at LeBron? It's just a man giving his take. It's all it is. You know, a lot of these people, they, Kyrie is just upset because he had it set up in his mind for LeBron to win the championship, beat Golden State with their four-headed monsters so that he could run around all summer talking about how LeBron is the greatest player ever. That failed. So now he's depressed right now. This should be, you know, how you have, you have like certain holidays and certain weeks and National Hot Dog Day, Girlfriend Day. Today's National Beat Up and Take Shots at LeBron Week. This is the fourth this week. I don't stop acting like a ho. I don't. I, I don't know if Michael's piling on here as much as Michael's being petty here. Look, Kobe Bryant impersonated Michael Jordan. So why wouldn't Michael Jordan say, "My imitation better than LeBron James?" Which that's not a bad take. That's not a bad take at all. Um, I also think that Michael looks at LeBron James as more of a threat than he looks at Kobe. I think that he looks at Kobe and he looks at at a son. I think he looks at LeBron and he looks at an interloper. You know, that's just what I see. I think that I think that Michael might know some things about LeBron behind the scenes, who knows, in regards to PEDs and things of that nature. And he's like, "I'm not going to let this [ __ ] steroid head guy take my, take my glory." Who knows? Who knows? But then again, a lot of these guys are or were on performance enhancing drugs. I get on LeBron about it, but, um, a lot of these guys are on that [ __ ] allegedly. Which is absolutely silly. Listen, four MVP trophies are better than one. Doing it as the premier player, winning three championships as the premier player on all three teams is better than two. Kobe, you know, the three years, the three titles he won with Shaq. Shaq was the better player in my opin— or absolutely. And, you know, a lot of these, Kobe, Kobe's boyfriend, they try to revise history. They were partners. No, partners is what you wish you were with Kobe. All right? You, you want to take him from Vanessa. All right? In reality, Shaq was one, Kobe was 1A, or the more important player in my opinion. So, listen, man, I've said this long before LeBron had his second and third titles, he's better than Kobe Bryant. Yeah, agreed. LeBron's been better than Kobe since 2007. All right? A lot of people ain't gonna like that. Oh, well. Yes, this feels petty. And Michael has a history of being petty. That's not a shot at all. In my, well, Jordan has a, has a, a history of being blatantly, blatantly honest. What people call arrogant. Oh, in my opinion, Kobe Bryant, Kobe great. LeBron, Jordan's a once-in-a-lifetime talent. Kobe's after Magic and Jabbar with the Lakers. He's not even top two. So how, thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. So how could he be ahead of LeBron? I mean, it's silly. But the, the best part is, if you go on social media today, all the Kobe fans, they're like the Beyoncé fans. Oh, thank God. Thank God. Somebody else sees what these Kobe fans are like. Oh, my God. You say something about Kobe, if like a siren goes off, all these [ __ ] come on your damn page. Why do you, why don't you like Kobe? Shut up, [ __ ] sitting at home behind a computer screen with three Kobe Bryant jerseys on. They, they got the yellow, the purple, and the black one on all at once. No drawers on, just jersey on like a chick sitting in bed with her nightgown on typing, "Kobe's the greatest." Or the Justin Bieber fans. They go crazy. Oh, that's what they are. Yeah. And they'll come after you. Oh, no, Kobe. Look at this. Look at this. Like you said, he was a caddy for Shaq for those first three titles. That, that's a little severe. A caddy? Come on. The brother was a great, was a great performer with with Shaq. I won't, I won't even take it that damn far. All right? He wasn't a caddy. You know that. He was Robin to Shaq's Batman. It's not even, and sometimes Robin has to save Batman from some bad situations. Not, I played with Kobe. And the unique part, sorry, sorry to hear that part about him, was his ability to block out of everything else and just go play. He was a beast on the court. Tough teammate to play with. No [ __ ] with unlike LeBron. But LeBron from day one, Chosen One, Sports Illustrated, it was always going to be hard for him to garner that kind of admiration. Yes, because of that, people resent it. People resent, they may not say it, but they resented it. Plus, he's been able to tip the scales in regards to, "I'm more than a basketball player." From this perspective, when I'm playing, he has control, which other players don't have. They wish they had the control of the marketplace of the NBA like LeBron does. So when you, and I give him credit for that. I've always stated that, uh, I admire LeBron for setting out and being his own man and saying, "I'm going to take control of my own destiny. I'm not going to sit back and play the loyal athlete and, uh, act like I'm supposed to be tied to some city, uh, like an indentured servant. It's my job to maximize my earning potential based on the gifts that I've been given, and I'm going to do that no matter where I have to go. My number one concern is my family and myself. That's it. Not, not appeasing a city or corporation." That's how you're supposed to think. When you factor in a lot of things in regards to why you, you don't like LeBron, it's not just the basketball thing. They're going to try to point to where he didn't show up here, he didn't show up there. Guess what? A lot of players didn't show up there. But LeBron's unique ability puts him at the top of the list in regards to Mount Rushmore basketball player. No, no, bro. I'm sorry. You went too damn far. He's not on, on damn Mount Rushmore. All right? Like I state already, Mount Rushmore is Jordan, Bill Russell, Kareem, Magic. That's Mount Rushmore. Now, if you was to make another Mount Rushmore, you could argue that LeBron could get on that one. All right? You could argue for him being on that second one. I, I would probably put LeBron on the second Mount Rushmore. But the first one, no. The second Mount Rushmore, I would probably have, uh, I'd probably have, I would say Shaq, LeBron, Wilt, and Larry Bird. You know, here's the one thing. I, I enjoyed watching Kobe more. I think basketball is a very artistic sport. You enjoyed watching Kobe more than who? LeBron? Yeah, LeBron's better. LeBron's better. Kobe's more fun to watch. Kobe. I agree with that. I, I, I had fun watching Kobe because, you know, it was like watching a, a, you know, it's like watching a bootleg Michael Jordan. Kobe was the ar— Kobe is the greatest. He's the Phil Mickelson of golf. You love golf. He's the best tough shot maker. I agree with that. Kobe Bryant was probably the best bad shot maker, bad jump shot maker, tough jump shot maker that I've ever seen. And he probably, when he was hot, he probably got hotter than anybody that I've ever seen. Kobe is, is— Why are you looking like that? Why don't you turn me? Never you look away. He's the best. He is the best. Tough Phil Mickelson to me is one of the most interesting guys to watch. Look at, look at Whitlock's face. Whitlock's face like, [ __ ] please. Watch. He's the best tough shot maker. I mean, Phil butcher some shot. Who, who, let's pump the break. You know, it's a slam dunk league. People love the slam dunks. ESPN built SportsCenter around slam dunks. Right? LeBron James has dunks out to, you know what? Kobe got, got some, Kobe got some phenomenal dunks, bro. My favorite Kobe dunk is when he dunked over Dirk Nowitzki. That's my favorite. One of his great. But Kobe, Kobe had, Kobe had some, some moments in there. When you talk about in-between game, you're talking about tough shots. If I needed a tough three at the end of the game, I had Michael, LeBron, or Kobe. Oh, definitely. I'm going with Kobe because I probably would too. I probably would too. But overall, I'll go with Larry Bird because he's shown that ability. What did you say? If a tough three-point shot, if I, yo, Whitlock, Whitlock ready to pop off. What'd you say? What'd you say? My [ __ ] if I needed to get it off and needed somebody to make it, well, I like, I'll slap that, damn, I'll slap that shape up that you got. I'll slap it crooked. Say some more dumb [ __ ] make it at the end of the game, I'm giving it to Kobe. Okay, offensively great. We'll leave. Kobe's a better three-point shooter than tough. I'm, yo, Whitlock got an attitude, man. He look like he need a, he like he need a donut. Made a great point about the expectations for LeBron earlier being on the cover of SI. We've seen that with Bryce Harper, okay? He was on the cover of SI as a teenager. He's been great. I think he's already been the MVP. But Aaron Judge comes along out of nowhere. Aaron Judge is amazing. We love him. You know, we're seeing Tom Brady draft pick. We're missing the big point though. Listen, Michael Jordan is competitive as everybody knows. He hates the whole, "Is LeBron better or as good?" I agree with that. Like I said, I believe that Michael looks at LeBron more of a threat than than he ever looked at Kobe. I don't think that Jordan ever, I think Michael, in Michael's mind, if Kobe had even won seven championships, Michael would have told him, "Yeah, well, you only led your team to four. I led mine to six." You know, I think Michael already had his arguments ready for Kobe. With LeBron, Michael just been watching him like, "They trying to set this [ __ ] up to take my spot, and I'm not having it." And so this is, to me, is the ultimate insult. My, I'm, you can't even get over my imitator, let alone be in the discussion with me. That's what he's saying here. You can't even, this is my knockoff. You know, like a, a Chanel knockoff bag or whatever. That's, I agree. Bootleg knockoff. That's what Kobe Bryant was to Michael Jordan. Agreed. That's what Kobe is to Jordan. He still has more time. LeBron's got four more titles to win. One more, at least. They said LeBron's story not written yet. Well, his story ain't finished yet, but I mean, that [ __ ] down to the last couple chapters, I tell you that. You know, and I know all the Kobe Bryant fans, they mad as hell over some of the things that got stated. I know y'all lay up in your bed with your pink sheets and you can clutch your three Kobe Bryant jerseys on with with your pigtails in your hair, laying in bed with no drawers on, just, just three Kobe Bryant jerseys on, talking about, "I wonder what Kobe's doing with Vanessa right now." But anyway, peace.