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Today's podcast is going to be tough, I think, for a lot of people. Tough even for me because it will challenge everything that you think you know. It may not be right, but I think in the end the conclusion, the end product is right. Um, but it's going to be tough cuz you're also going to be hearing phrases and words that you define one way that don't necessarily in this context mean that. Um, and where it ends is transhumanism. No, where it ends is selling your birthright, which is salvation. Is there and has there been an alien race hiding in plain sight in the book of Genesis throughout the Old Testament and in the New Testament? Are we going to see a return of the gods? I think I think we are. And I understand it in a completely different way. Welcome explorer, teacher, real life Indiana Jones and the author of Birthright, the coming posthuman apocalypse and the usurpation of Adam's dominion on earth. Welcome to the podcast, Timothy Alberino.
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Tim, I have spoken to prime ministers and presidents and philosophers and uh religious leaders of all kind. I think I am more intrigued by this next hour than anybody I have ever spoken to. You have led a fascinating life and I don't know exactly what to think of your theories yet, but they are so worth thinking about. So, welcome. Glad you're here.
>> Thank you for having me, Glenn. I'm delighted to be with you.
>> Yeah. Um, can we start with you growing up living with monkeys in the jungle?
>> An appropriate place to start, I believe.
>> Right.
>> I I dropped out of high school. Well, I've dropped out slash got kicked out of high school when I was 18 and by a very uh circuitous route, I ended up in Peru. Um, so I was 18 years old living in the Amazon, the Peruvian Amazon. Uh, learning Spanish and as you said, living with monkeys. I I was living on the outskirts of a town, jungle town called Terapoto in the Amazon basin. And um, I was adapting to the culture very well and and one day I went down to the market and in those times it was like an Indiana Jones movie. You walk into the market and they're selling all all manner of fauna, all manner of jungle wildlife, jaguars and monkeys and parrots and and it's not that way anymore, but it was back then. And so I I purchased a few different species of monkeys and and um proceeded to um live with these animals up in in my my very uh primitive dwelling on the outskirts of town. and and that's how I got inculcated in Peruvian culture and learned Spanish.
>> Okay. And so when you say you were kind of living this Indiana Jones thing, I mean, didn't you discover an ancient lost civilization?
>> Well, I was uh back in 2019. I've I've been doing various expeditions to Peru and elsewhere around the world, especially in Peru. And in 2019, uh, me and my colleague, the the renowned Spanish explorer Anel Pramla, we went up into the Andes mountains and we were looking for a lost Inca city. We had received information of a potential lost city in this particular area in the Andes. And so we mounted a couple of expeditions and we discovered it and it's a remarkable place. It has not been published yet. It's it's the locals call it Turi Punku and we think that it is uh it's a significant either Inca or Pre-Inca city perhaps belonging to the Chachapoas people. We're not sure but you know Peru there's there's so much discovery discovery left to be made in Peru. I I I consider Peru to be the last best place uh for making discoveries.
So talk to me because you this kind of turned your your life kind of turned on megaliths. First explain what a megalith is and and what how that turned you into into where we're going here in a minute.
>> Well, when I was living in Peru, I had an opportunity to I lived in Peru for 10 years. Um, I had the opportunity to travel extensively around the country and um, this is when I was first confronted with with what are called megaliths. Megaliths are uh, edifices, large edifices that are constructed with with stones that are fitted together without the use of any kind of a bonding agent. So without the use of mortar. This is known in archaeology as cyclopean architecture. And and yes, they're referring to the cyclops of Greek mythology because the Greeks believe
>> one-eyed giants
>> precisely
>> because the Greeks believe that these that these gigantic megalithic constructions that are found in Greece as well throughout Greece uh were constructed by the offspring of the gods the one-eyed cyclops and that that uh this knowledge of megalith building had had come from the gods. And in Peru, you have some of the most exquisite cyclopean architecture on planet earth. Uh if you go to Cusco, as many people have visited Cusco in route to Machu Picchu, you will see the walls of Sacsayhuamán, which are some of the most impressive, one of the most impressive megalithic sites on planet Earth. And these are just mammoth walls that are constructed with solid blocks of stone. Some of them weighing in excess of 200 tons. fitted together so tightly. The joints are so tight you can't stick a butter knife between them. And in the case of Sacsayhuamán, these are polygonal uh megalithic stones, which means they have sort of a pillowed look to them as if they were not entirely hard when they were fitted together. Imagine a bunch of like uh imagine taking pieces of play-doh and squishing it together. That's what these walls look like or clay. And um and these they're they're magnificent. The walls of Sacsayhuamán are magnificent. And indeed, when the Spaniards, when the conquistadors arrived to Sacsayhuamán and they beheld these magnificent megalithic walls, they concluded these could not have been made by human beings. They had to have been built by giants or demons or some supernatural power. Um many many people in fact almost everyone is familiar with um with the the legendary Inca site uh of Machu Picchu. Well, the foundations of Machu Picchu are megalithic and in in the Quechua word for Machu Picchu is ukhu, means in Quechua the abode of the gods. So the Inca themselves believed and and I think this is apparent the Inca themselves believed that the megaliths were built by the gods and that they being the offspring of the gods were the natural inheritors of the works of the gods. And so they reinhabited and they rebuilt what they believed was the habitation of of the of of the gods. And and you can find this again the megalithic constructions all over the earth especially in Peru. some some of the stuff like for instance the the the stones around the Sphinx that are cut out perfectly and they don't and then moved whole and they don't know how they were cut out of the rock out of the ground right
>> what's if you if you look at the temples around the Sphinx yes there are megalithic constructions in Egypt And you see the very same cyclopean technique, the very same cyclopean technique as you see all over the earth. So when you look at the walls of Ollantaytambo in Peru for example, and you see how they took a large block of in some cases and in some cases granite, they take a large block and they fit it into a corner. Now, if you and I are building an edifice and with large blocks and we're we're going to create a corner joint, we're going to either stagger the blocks, you know, like we do with bricks or we're going to or we're going to or we're going to butt the blocks up together to create a nice clean joint. But these builders,
>> these cyclopean masons, they took the piece of stone and they literally curved it into the corner. They would curve the stone into the corner which is much more which is exceedingly more difficult. They do this at at the temple in front of the Sphinx just like they do in the walls of Ollantaytambo. This is the fingerprint of a ubiquitous knowledge that somebody had a long time ago on planet earth because I don't believe that the megaliths in Peru were built by the Inca and I don't believe that some of the oldest like the Sphinx um archaeological edifices in on the Giza plateau for example were built by the Egyptians. I think we're looking at uh we're looking at technology and knowledge that comes from the antediluvian world. the world before the flood.
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I just want you to stick with this podcast because this is such a wild journey and it's going to go into places where you're like, "That's crazy." Um, but we end up at transhumanism and AI and I think the Antichrist or mark of the beast. Um, and I don't know exactly what to think of all this, but I think it is so worth your time to listen and to just think this through. Okay, let's start now with and all we're doing is building a foundation. And when you see the found when you see what he's built and then we start really talking about what's happening today, it's going to it's going to come together and you're going to be amazed. Um, let's start with the sons of God. And let me read this from Genesis. Uh, this is Genesis 6:1-5. And it came to pass when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, the daughters were born unto them. And the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them uh wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he is also flesh, yet his day shall be 120 years." There were giants in the earth in those days and al and also after that when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them. The same became mighty men of which were of old men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth and that every imagination of the thoughts um of his heart was only evil continually. Okay. All right. the the we've we kind of know this story, but we always bypass the giants part and the sons of and the sons of God may be misinterpreted. Can you tell tell me your look at Genesis and why this is a a foundational stone here?
>> Well, the first thing I would note is that you'll notice that no effort is made by the author of Genesis to elucidate the details of this peculiar digression in the Genesis narrative. It's just it's just there. There's no explanation for it. And the reason for that is because the author presumes the reader's knowledge of this infamous affair. The story therefore must have been thoroughly chronicled elsewhere in the Hebraic scriptures and then widely disseminated at least in oral tradition. So this is something that was known. The the author of Genesis is making reference to this extraordinary event that is clearly very well known to the reader and document.
>> What is the event? Because I had never heard this before. What is the event?
>> So the event is the the sons of God. This is a this term is uh benai elohim and it never never refers to human agents in the Old Testament. The term sons of God only and exclusively refers to angelic beings to celestial beings. So we are right out of the gates here. We are not talking about human actors. And there's a theory called the sons of Seth theory which um posits that the that the sons of God were just the noble offspring of Adam. And it's ridiculous because this tradition is so well known among in in ancient in in ancient Hebrew cosmology. It's it it forms the substratum to so much of what we read in the Old and in the New Testament. This incident. So, what we're looking at are non-human beings, celestial beings, the sons of God, angelic entities who are observing the earth, who are watching the earth. This is why probably they're called watchers in the book of Daniel and elsewhere. And they they are they're lusting after the daughters of Adam. And so they descend to the earth. They um they take as the book of Genesis says here in Genesis 6, they take they choose from among the daughters of of of men, women that they maidens that they ultimately wed and then they procreate with these women and the result is a race of giants. They progenerate a race of giants in the earth and these giants are referred to in the biblical narrative as Nephilim and that you know so you have a problem if if you if you think that these are human agents
>> uh just you know men just normal human beings populating with with normal human women normal human males with normal human women. How do you get giants as a result? How do you how do you get how do they procreate Nephilim? Uh it's the equation doesn't
>> Okay, so wait, explain what Nephilim is because the translation for Nephilim is fallen one, right?
>> Well, that's disputed. A Nephilim is a giant. Um the the there's a there's a you can you can derive uh Nephilim from from from the Hebrew word Nefal, which means to fall. But I think it comes from the Aramaic. I would um I think that the late Dr. Michael Heiser had the right interpretation of of the word Nephilim. It comes from the Arab Aramaic which is Nephilim um which means giants and and in the Greek and in the Septuagint these beings are referred to as uh gigantes as as giants. So when you read Nephilim, we're not talking about figurative giants, we're talking about actual giants like uh like what David fought.
>> precisely
>> beings of gigantic stature and in the antediluvian world and the world before the flood they were even larger than the post-flood giants because they were in the world this is what Genesis says later they were in the world both before the flood and after the flood and obviously we know that they're in the world after the flood according to the biblical narrative Joshua and the Hebrews are confronting these races of giants who are dispersed throughout Canaan especially in the highlands um the Anakim, for example, who are the descendants of the Nephilim.
>> And there are I mean, if I'm if I'm not mistaken, there were there were giants that were found here in America.
>> Yes.
>> Um right.
>> Oh, yes.
>> This is known as the Smithsonian cover-up. And there were the bones of giants being discovered all over America back from the mid-1800s back into the early 20th century and primarily in the mountains in the Indian mounds. You know, there were thousands and thousands of Indian mounds, you know, east of the Mississippi. Uh, and many of these mounds, according to the Smithsonian's own records, many of these mounds contained anomalous artifacts, especially the bones of giants and gigantic axes and all manner of strange artifact. And then even uh what's remarkable is even Abraham Lincoln while waxing poetically about Niagara Falls makes reference to the bones of that ancient species of giants in the mountains and it was well known. I mean this was uh this was not conspiratorial back in the mid-1800s.
>> So who are these beings these sons of God? Cuz they they go very dark. Uh, they're are are they like the the fallen ones? Are they
>> So the angels that have
>> So really in order in order to get insight into this this Genesis 6 affair again which is which is a which is a bizarre digression in the Genesis narrative again because the author is presuming that his audience is well informed um and and and has uh and has been informed from some other kind of tradition. Um, this story is expanded upon is expounded in the book of Enoch. And in the book of Enoch, it it delineates.
>> Before you go there, talk talk about the book of Enoch because up until we found the Dead Sea Scrolls, we only saw it in Ethiopia. Thought it was, you know, the Ethiopians made it up 200 years, you know, 200 years ago, whatever. We find the Dead Sea Scrolls and we now know that the book of Enoch is from the ancient times, but it is a it's an Apocrypha book.
>> Yes, it's well, it's pseudepigraphal. It's pseudepigraphal. Um
>> meaning meaning that it it it claims to be written by a biblical author. Um, but the authorship is unknown.
>> Okay. So, you know, Enoch is the book of Enoch uh was disco was was rediscovered in 1773 by the Scottish explorer James Bruce of Kinnaird. This by the way is a collateral relative. James Bruce of Kinnaird is a collateral relative of the illustrious Robert the Bruce who led the Scots to victory in their war of independence against um the English in the early early 14th century. Robert the Bruce was also incidentally a Freemason, Freemason of the Scottish Rite and I think he was looking for the Ark of the Covenant. So he went to Ethiopia and um and he discovered in Ethiopia he he brought back to England a copy because he he delivered a he brought two copies back to England. One he delivered to the king of France on his way home. two copies of the book of Enoch, the Ethiopic book of Enoch, which is called First Enoch, and it's written in Ge'ez, which is the liturgical language uh of of the Ethiopia of the Ethiopians. And it turns out that although the book of Enoch had not been accepted into the canons of of the into the the canons of the Jews, the canon of the Jews rather and the canon of the Christians. It had been inducted into the canons of the Beta Israel Jews and the Tewahedo Orthodox Tewahedo Christians in Ethiopia. So the book of Enoch disappeared. It all but disappeared from the world in around 500 AD by by about 500 AD. However, it was preserved in Ethiopia by both the Jews and the Christians who as I said had inducted it into their canons. So if you go if you were a Christian growing up in Ethiopia or a Jew or an Orthodox Jew, Orthodox Christian, Orthodox Jew growing up in Ethiopia, you would have had the book of Enoch, First Enoch as as part of your your scriptures. it would have been considered holy writ. And so it was in 1773 that the book of Enoch got became reintroduced um into the corpus of of of extra-biblical texts. And then we had of course R.H. Charles who who made a a definitive um English version um back in 1912. And so the book of Enoch was is referenced actually by many of the early church fathers including Clement and Barnabas, friends of Paul, Irenaeus, Origen, Tertullian, Athenagoras of Athens, and Justin Martyr. And and these all of these many of the church fathers held a favorable view of the book of Enoch and some even referenced it as holy scripture. Now I'm not here to argue that the book of Enoch should be in the canon. That question is actually quite irrelevant to me.
>> but it's very very fascinating because as I said earlier you cannot you cannot separate you cannot extract the the Enochian tale from the biblical narrative it is foundational and it's not just foundational in the Old Testament.
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Okay. So, before we get to where you can spot it in the New Testament and Old Testament, um, tell me the story of Enoch. What what is the what's the salient point here?
>> Okay. So, Enoch begins just like um in the book of Genesis. In fact, in the book of Enoch, you have in in in ironically in Enoch 6, the first few verses, just like in Genesis, you have the passage from which the passage in Genesis is derived. It reads, "And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another, 'Come, let us choose wives from among the children of men and beget us children.'" That's where the story begins. So you have the angels of heaven looking down, lusting after the daughters of men. By the way, the designation angel, the angels of heaven, that's not just found in the book of Enoch. That's also found in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament that the disciples of Christ were using, that the apostles were using. In Genesis 6, it reads the angels of heaven. And this is, of course,
>> and they don't mean it like we would mean angels, right? Because we think of angels as this, you know, God-worshipping being. Angels don't fall. I mean, there were, you know, a third of the angels fell, but we're not talking about the good angels.
>> Okay? So, we're talking about in Enoch. Enoch designates these angels as watchers. And the watcher designation is not exclusive to extra-biblical material. It's found in the book of Daniel. You'll recall that in the book of Daniel, there's this incredible scene in which Nebuchadnezzar is being judged by the holy watchers, by a council of holy watchers. And they of course condemn him uh to to several years of madness in which he had the mind of an animal and was eating grass and so forth. That was a that was a sentence that came down from the watchers. And so this is clearly hierarchical. Uh these are hierarchical terms. The watchers are are some exalted probably members of of the divine council. And they in the book of Enoch are lusting after the daughters of men. They they they decide there's 200 of them, by the way, that are that are designated in the book of uh Enoch. They decide to descend to the earth to the summit of Mount Hermon. They take there an oath. They bind themselves by mutual imprecations. By the way, Mount Hermon has since time immemorial been called the mountain of oath. And then the watchers, these 200 watchers, descend into the plains and they they begin to select.
>> What is the oath they take?
>> I'm sorry.
>> What is the oath that they take?
>> The oath that they take is that basically we're all in this together and we we know that this is a grave sin. That this is a grave what we're about to do is a grave transgression against the kingdom of against the King of Heaven. And so it we're all in this together and we are all going to suffer the consequences equally. share in the consequences whatever befall. That is a summation of the oath. So they know what they're about to do is a grave transgression. And of course what they do is what's what's alluded to in Genesis. They take wives. They procreate with these women and progenerate a race of of of hybrid giants. And then they impart to mankind forbidden knowledge from heaven. And mankind is corrupted through this knowledge. And the giants um that are born of the watchers, these are hybrid beings, part watcher, part human. They begin to devour men. They begin they begin to devour mankind. In fact, the book of watchers says that men were forced to to feed the giants. But the giants were devouring all of the acquisitions of the land. Their appetites were so enormous that men couldn't couldn't keep them satiated. And so the giants began to devour men. And then men began to cry out to to um to petition heaven. And then God God resolves to intervene and uh through a series of judgments, he judges the watchers and their uh hybrid offspring. And then the flood ensues. That's an encapsulation of the story that's presented in First Enoch in the the earliest portion of First Enoch, the book of the Watchers.
>> Okay. So let's go to where we see this. I mean, Peter talks about how the angels sinned.
>> Okay, tell me that.
>> Yeah. So, as I said, um, this story, the Enochian tale, forms the substratum of so much of what we read in the both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. It's it's referenced multiple times in the Old Testament and then we find it in the New as you said in in Second Peter we Peter writes that that God did not spare the angels who sinned but cast them down to Tartarus and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved for judgment. And by the way, I forgot to mention that in the book of Enoch, part of the judgment was that the watchers first would be would behold the destruction of their beloved sons who would be incited to war with one another and then the flood would ensue. And the watchers were bound and cast into Tartarus in the book of Enoch. And so Peter's referencing that. And there is simply no precedent for this reference within the canon of scripture within the 66 books of the Bible. There is no reference for this. And then Jude, the brother of James, he reiterates this in Jude in in the first chapter of Jude. He writes, "And the angels who did not keep their proper domain but left their own abode, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day." And then a few verses later, Jude says, he writes this and and and by the way, this is a copy and paste verbatim from the book of Enoch. Jude writes, "Now, Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, 'Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment on all to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way and of all the harsh things which the ungodly sinners have spoken against him.'" This this is a as I said verbatim from the book of Enoch. So I think it is reasonable to conclude based based on and there are many many more references by references by the way to the book of Enoch indirect references that even Christ makes it reasonable therefore to conclude that the Enochian text must have been numbered among the among the scrolls in the synagogues. there must have been some iteration of what we call First Enoch today uh that was being referenced directly by the apostles and by the writers of the Old Testament.
Okay, so this takes us to um a couple of possibilities. Uh, one, you have the demigods, you know, from Athens and and all of that, gods coming down and mating. Um, and that's where I that's where I think it could throw people who are like, "No, wait, but I that's that's a different religion that's not has nothing to do with us." Um, and also because if I understand, you know, you call this the elder elder race, they they had such knowledge and they they built everything and they gave us this knowledge. That's also where some people will say, "Oh, well, that's extraterrestrials that came down and gave us." But you're saying, if I'm not mistaken, both the extraterrestrial thing and the demigods thing, it is Enoch. It's this it is it is an integral part of Hebrew cosmology. This is what the Hebrews believed. Now, we've we've partly because of uh uh Augustine, we have forgotten this narrative. We've read it out of the the biblical narrative. We've we've we've been um we've had a view of the antediluvian world that is quite incomplete and in many senses inaccurate. The the ancient Hebrews clearly believed that these and I'm going to call them extraterrestrial beings because that's precisely what they are descended to the earth in the days of the pre-flood patriarchs. And this this general narrative is ubiquitous among the primary cultures, the primary early civilizations on planet earth. They all believe that this happened. Of course, they all have different theological perspectives on it. I mean, the ancient uh the ancient Egyptians referred to this as Zeppy, the first time when the gods descended to the earth and cohabited and commingled themselves with the daughters of men and that these were the these these these were the civilizing gods um of the Mesopotamians. These were the the the sages, the the Akalu sages in the in the Mesopotamian mythologies. Um, you find this all over the world. As I said, in every primary culture, you have this story. And the biblical narrative is no exception. And so, you know, we read, for example, in the book of Job that in reference to these being extraterrestrial beings, we read in the book of Job that the that the sons of God shouted for joy and the morning stars sang together when God was laying the foundations of planet Earth. So, what we have here is a pre-existent race of exalted beings who are not human, who are in the picture, who are in the story before the foundations of the earth are laid and and certainly before the creation of Adam. And these beings, their provenance is not planet Earth, very clearly. They come from elsewhere in the cosmos. So the the term extraterrestrial simply defines a being whose provenance, whose origin is not planet Earth. That's all it means. And so I believe
>> wait wait wait wait. If these are angels then they would have come from a spirit world. You're saying that they're not that they're actual they came from another planet.
>> I'm saying that it doesn't really matter where they come from. if their provenance is not planet Earth, they are okay, they are by definition extraterrestrial.
>> And so I think we get hung up on some of these terms, but the reality is that the the the Bible defines them as such. Not not using that kind of terminology, but the idea, the concept is certainly apparent in the biblical narrative. And I I I believe that the angels are very much like us. Indeed, we are very much like them. Um, in fact, I believe that the human species that mankind was created to be the younger sibling in the family of God and that we have elder siblings and that's why they're referred to as the sons of God. Indeed, if you look at the genealogy of Jesus of Nazareth, it goes all the way, you know, through David, through Abraham, all the way back into the pre-flood world, through Noah, all the way back to Adam,
>> who is designated as the son of God. These are familial terms and and and these familial terms are not incidental. They're consequential and the the idea here is that there's a family and that's part of what the gospel of Christ is. It's it's the restoration of the family of God. Jesus brings us back into the Father's house and we become the sons of God again in the words of Christ being sons of the resurrection. So the idea here is that there is a family. God has a family and that there's elder siblings in this family, the sons of God who pre-exist mankind. And then Adam and his offspring were created to be the the younger siblings in this family. But of course, we know the story that the tragedy is that we were divorced, sundered from that family because of sin and uh and now are in a state a human condition which is sin and death.
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So explain the golden age. What is the golden age?
>> Okay, so the golden age is Zeppy. It's that time that in the antediluvian world when the gods descended to the earth and cohabited with the human species and imparted knowledge to them. This is what's referred to as a golden age. The term golden age comes from the Greeks but the concept as I said is ubiquitous all over the world. And uh this is the time in which I believe that uh the megaliths were constructed and and um it's a time when when giants were roaming the earth and uh and these these beings these non-human celestial beings um were as I said cohabitating the earth with mankind and this is again the Romans believed it the Greeks believed it the the ancient Egyptians believed it believed it the Mesopotamians believed it every prime primary ancient civilization.
>> and the golden race would have been the giants mixing with the um actual humans.
>> The golden race is referred to as the offspring of the gods. So referring back to Zeppy, to the ancient Egyptian narrative, the the golden race were the the the the offspring of gods and men. And a great illustration of this, by the way, is the story of Atlantis. Plato's story of Atlantis which is which is found in the Critias and Timaeus dialogue and and and and Plato begins the narrative and of course this is he has Solon of Athens who journeys to uh to Egypt and and Solon is consulting with the priests of of Sais in Egypt and they're talking about their their histories and and the the the Egyptian priests informed Solon that the history of the Greeks is infantile, that it's not hoary with age like the like the histories of the Egyptians. And then they proceed to tell Solon that the earth has suffered various cataclysms and that civilizations have risen and fallen in the course of antediluvian history. And they they tell him the story of Atlantis. And the story of Atlantis begins with the gods who are apportioning the earth amongst themselves. They're dividing the earth up amongst themselves. and Zeus uh rather Poseidon for his lot. He takes the region of Atlantis and then he builds the island and the city of Atlantis. And then what does he do? He becomes enamored of a human woman. Cleito is her name. And he weds this woman and he copulates with her and they and she conceives and gives birth to to 10 hybrid twins, to five sets of twins, hybrid sons of Poseidon who in other sources appear to be giants. And then these giants are become the kings of Atlantis. The chief among them is Atlas. And then the Atlanteans um eventually become a very militaristic society and they begin a campaign of conquest and they're steamrolling through all the other civilizations until the priest of Sais informs Solon. They encounter the Greeks. They encounter the Athenians and the Athenians are the only civilization that is able to withstand the uh the conquest of the um of the Atlanteans. And then what happens? Cataclysm ensues. There's a great cataclysm. It's a flood and and and Atlantis is destroyed in a day and a night. And not just Atlantis, the entire world is destroyed in a cataclysm. And and this is just one illustration. The story of Atlantis is in many ways an allegory of the antediluvian world. And I think uh and again, this story uh I believe the origin of this story is the Enochian tale which I which I would contend is is one of the oldest if not the oldest stories in the annals of human history.
Okay. So this this race of people if you will starts with the giants who come down and they know they're doing evil. they know they're doing wrong, but then they create this what sounds like kind of a utopian sort of world. Um, and then they're the reason why things go so wrong that God has to get Noah to wipe everybody out.
>> So in the the the Hebrew perception of of the golden age is quite unique because all of the other the pagan cultures all view as you rightly say all view the golden age as a utopian paradise that's why they call it the golden age. The Greek the uh Hebrews however view it as a dystopia as a as a nightmarish dystopia in which the knowledge of the watchers corrupts mankind and their offspring are exceedingly evil and cannibalistic and introduce into the world a blood lust that had not um that that was not previously apparent. And the the the watchers lead mankind into idolatry. And this is the this is the source for this is the sin of the watchers. This is the sin of the angels again that Peter and Jude are referencing. And this this results in the judgment of the flood. the judgment of the cataclysm that ensues on planet Earth and destroys the old world, annihilates the em what I what I describe as the empire of the gods of the watchers and their offspring and and washes the earth, cleanses the earth of their abominable seed. And remember that uh in in Genesis it says that the whole earth that all flesh had corrupted its its way on the earth that all flesh was corrupted. And this corruption in the in the ancient Hebraic cosmological perspective was wrought by the watchers. It's and it's it's referencing by the way a genetic corruption. And so and so God sent the flood to wipe the slate clean so to speak.
This is where it becomes uh so important that you would at least consider this story because you say a another golden age is coming and I have been watching this coming golden age for a long time and I've had conversations with the people who are bringing this golden age and it is absolutely terrifying and I have thought, "That sounds like the mark of the beast. That sounds like this this you're going to lose yourself. It it's evil." Um, the way it has been explained to me by some. So you say a new golden age is coming. Explain what that means.
>> So the events that led to the destruction of the old world are going to be repeated to some degree at the end of the age. We are living at the end of the age. and uh the this phenomenon of the of the of the gods comingling themselves with with the offspring of um with with the daughters of of men and and and this this idea of hybrid beings and and everything that was done in the antediluvian world the corruption of all flesh um I think is again going to be repeated to some extent not exactly in the same way.
>> Mhm.
So, when I um when I set out to write my book, Birthright, the that I it was prompted by a question that I had been um that I had been ruminating on for for a while. And the question is simply this and and and this question, by the way, is a question that is unique to our times and and and has not really been something that earlier generations have had to contemplate. But we have to we have to contend with this question right now. And it's simply this. What does it mean to be a human being? And is our humanity worth preserving? That that is the most imperative question that we can ask. Those are the most imperative questions that we can ask today. And and because we are on the cusp of we are on the brink of what I describe as a post-human apocalypse. And we are we are advancing at at an an alarming pace toward the end of humanity as we know it. And this is not this is not alarmism. Uh this is not hyperbole. This is exactly what the futurists and the technologists are saying. You have of course um
>> Oh yeah.
>> You have you have um um um there's
>> Ray Kurzweil.
>> That's right. um Harari, you have these different these different futurists out there who are predicting the end of humanity. In the next hundred years, there will be no in the next 100 to 130 years, there will be no more human beings left on planet Earth. Well, what do they mean? It's because we are we are in some sense building the mechanism of our own destruction right now. We are creating the tools that are that are going to enable us to redefine human biology. to remake Adam. And really what it amounts to is to um to become something other than Adam. This is called posthuman. And and where we are right now,
>> you're talking specifically about transhumanism.
>> That's precisely what I was about to say.
>> Merging man and machine.
>> That's exactly right. We're over here. We're still human. We're going to a posthuman condition. Again, what I refer to as a post-human apocalypse. And the transitional period between this is called transhuman. And that's precisely why it's called transhumanism because it's a transition. The term is is it indicates a transition. It's transitory from human to posthuman. So we're human right now, but in the future we are going to become something other than human. And from the secular atheistic uh Darwinian perspective, who cares, right? Who cares? because there's nothing sacred about being human. I mean, there there's nothing in their worldview that makes
>> the the human being anything other than an animal with a bigger brain, right?
>> However,
>> the biblical narrative is quite different. The biblical narrative defines mankind as as I said earlier as being created in the image and likeness of God and and was created to be a member of the family that Adam was a son of God given authority on earth. He was bequeathed um dominion of the earth. This is the birthright of Adam and and so we bear the image of God and it's really important to understand what it means from a theological perspective what it means to be a human being and then to answer the question is our humanity worth preserving. Well from from from a theological perspective the answer is unequivocally yes. Not only is it worth preserving it is imperative that we preserve it because we have a savior. We have a kinsman redeemer in Christ Jesus who became one of us. He became a man in order to redeem mankind. So there's only one qualification for redemption in the cross of Christ. You must be human. You can be a sinner until the until the you you take your last breath. You can be like the thief on the cross who was a criminal but who looks at Christ before he dies and and acknowledges him as the son of man as the son of God and is and is and is saved. He has saving faith. So so you can be um there there is there is grace for the human to the very end of his life to receive Christ but there's the qualification for the human. So
We become disqualified from salvation in the cross of Christ if we become something other than human. So the stakes could not be higher here when we talk about transhumanism and posthumanism. So for the atheist, from the Darwinian perspective, this is just the natural course of human development. We are directing the course of our own evolution and we are determined to become like the gods and to gain immortality and all of the extraordinary capabilities that are going to be available through the agency of technology to the posthuman, and we are accelerating in that direction.
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I urge you to read something like Ray Kurzweil's *The Age of Spiritual Machines*. You will understand that these people who do not believe in the soul or God or anything else have created something. And as Kurzweil has told me himself, you'll be able to soon merge with the machine. This was him, 2010 maybe, telling me this. You're going to be able to merge with the machine. And he said, because it will be moving too fast, you will have infinite knowledge, all of this stuff that if you are not, if you don't understand the sacredness of the soul, it sounds like a golden age. You will be able to access everything. And then he starts in with, and you won't have to carry a wallet because everything will be stored and you'll implant in you will become part of you and you'll think differently and you will be able to hive mind, and that's not being a human. And I said, Ray, what if you want to remain human? And he said, why would you? And he said, because, you know, I kind of like the original model. And he told me, well, then you will have to be isolated because you'll be a problem for everybody else. So, anybody said, everybody's going to want to do this, and I think a lot of people will want to do this. But I come back to where you're driving, that, you know, when you read about taking the mark of the beast, there is no salvation for you once you take it. It's over. You can't untake it. You can't be redeemed at all. It's the same with this. Once you become transhuman, you can't undo that, and you've lost your right to salvation, and so you cannot be saved.
That starts to make that scripture in Revelation work. That's all of a sudden you're like, "Oh my gosh, yes, you're not human." And many more, you can't buy and sell anymore, right? I mean, think about it. So, so right now, you could probably maybe run a business without a cell phone, without access to the internet, let's say, but it would be really, really hard, right? So, that technology that we have in our hands, that, you know, our cell phones, the technology we hold in our hands is going into our brains very soon. It is going into the cerebral cortex. And rather than surfing the internet with our thumbs, we're going to be surfing the internet with this accomplice artificial intelligence through the speed of thought. We will be interacting with the compendium of human knowledge at the speed of thought as soon as this technology, as soon as we merge with the machines and also with artificial intelligence. So, how are you, if you just want to be an old-fashioned, homegrown, organic human being who's going to try and compete in that environment? Think about young people going to university and they decide, you know what, I don't want to upgrade. I don't want the upgrades. I don't want the enhancements. I don't want to put the technology into my biology. I don't want the chip in my cerebral cortex. How is that person going to compete with all of the transhuman students who are accessing the compendium of human information at the speed of thought?
It would be as if you are walking into a room and there's one person there that has an IQ of 20. Precisely, right. They can't function. I can't have a conversation with you. I can't do anything. That's right. Because you have an IQ of 20, and nobody, and that was Ray's point. Nobody wants that. Everybody wants that. And the way it's described and what you're seeing on the horizon, it is going to be described as a golden age. It is. It is. And you know what? What's happening here is we're going full circle back to the beginning because our story begins in the Garden of Eden. And the temptation of the serpent was, if you eat of this fruit, surely you will not die. You will become like the gods. You will become like the gods. So, it's the same temptation. And what's happening here is we're succumbing to a Faustian bargain. We are about to sell our birthright for a bowl of stew, for the advances and the advantages of posthumanism, of transhumanism, the enhancements. We are going to give away the most precious thing that we have, which is our humanity. And that's why, and you can see the slow march, you can see the cunning of the serpent, how the ground has been laid for this eventuality that the human being has been degraded. You know, it started with Darwin, and then it progressed from there. The gradual erosion of human worth, and not just as an individual, but worth as a species. If you're just the product of evolution, if you're just the cousin of a monkey, then there are no guardrails. There are no guardrails. Who cares? It doesn't mean anything to be a human being. And there's no reason whatsoever to preserve our humanity. This is where the gospel of Christ is so important, especially for Christians, to anchor themselves in the gospel of Christ because, as I said, Jesus is a kinsman redeemer who became a man to redeem mankind. And so I'm stressing whenever I get the opportunity to talk to young people that you need to understand the worth of your humanity. The worth of your humanity. And don't be beguiled into exchanging it, into selling your birthright for a bowl of stew, for life extension and for all of the extraordinary capabilities that are going to become available.
You know, we are living right now in what technologists and futurists call the hybrid age. And the reason why they describe this as the hybrid age is because in the past, you had various streams of technology that were being independently developed. You had these are the famous GRIN technologies, for example: you had genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, and nanotechnology. Those are the four big ones, and they're being developed each one of them in as a separate stream. But today, in our time, these streams are coalescing. They're coming together. And so you now have, for example, you can take artificial intelligence and insert it into a Tesla robot, and now you have an autonomous robotic being, which in the future is going to be, by the way, policing our streets, fighting our wars. And this goes for genetics, for nanotechnology. We haven't even yet entered into the genetic revolution that's coming. By the way, there's a book, I don't know if you've read the book, trying to remember the name of the woman who wrote the book. It's called *Countdown*, and she predicts in the book that the sperm count of males in the West is going to zero by 2045. In other words, we're reaching the end of our genetic rope. And lo and behold, what are we developing right now? Artificial wombs. And we are perfecting in vitro fertilization. We're reaching the end of our genetic rope. And the only way that the human species is going to be able to continue to breed, to populate, is through artificial wombs in the future. We're already the constructs, the framework of this posthuman apocalypse, not utopia, apocalypse, is being constructed right in front of our eyes.
Is there a line that you have in your mind? Is there, like, you know, I'll do this but I won't do that? I mean, that's the scary part of this. It's such a slippery slope. It's such a blurry line at the beginning that you don't exactly know. It'll be easier to spot in 10 years, 15 years. Right now, today, in the next five years, it's going to be really slippery and hard. Yes, it will. Especially for our kids and our grandkids. Um, right. So, yeah, I have some guardrails. So, you know, you have to talk about each one of these technologies separately, which we don't have time for. But let's talk about genetic technologies. So right now, we have very effective genetic technologies that we're developing and improving. For example, we have gene therapy. Gene therapy is if I have a gene that's mutated and it's causing cancer, it's causing some other genetic disorder. You can take that same gene from another human genome, and that's the key, from another human genome that has the correct code that's not mutated, and you can take it and splice it into my genome and correct the code. Right? That's human-to-human genetic modification. I've got no problem with that because it's human-to-human. We're not altering the genetic matrix of the human species that God designed. But once we start going beyond that, once we start doing one of two things: creating new sequences or integrating sequences from other kinds of creatures, then we're crossing that species barrier. We are now entering into cross-species genetics, which, by the way, is explicitly prohibited in the Bible. So, cross-species genetics, this is one of the great sins of the Watchers, by the way. They engaged in misogynation, the mixing of species. And so that's a guard, that's a clear guardrail to me. Human-to-human gene therapy, gene modification, I'm fine with. But as soon as you cross the species barrier or you start creating new information to insert into the human genome, you have transgressed the order of creation.
Yes. Yes. I have to tell you, I don't know because I haven't read everything that you have read, but I am going to be reading a lot of your work. Um, but I think your conclusion at the end is absolutely solid. Um, I feel it. I feel it. I feel this is we are in the end of days. I mean, even Elon Musk says, you know, there won't be, you know, I got to get to Mars because there won't be humans left on Earth, and yet he's doing the transhumanism thing himself. Um, but the signs are all here. We just have to be awake enough. And I think the story that you have just told, which I have a lot of homework to do on, but the story you've just told gives us the pattern of what to look for and the pattern that is coming. And I think you're right. Thank you for all of the hard work. I You know what? I don't think if you would have stayed in school and gone to university, I don't think you would have had this. You wouldn't have gotten here because you would have been thinking in the box. I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much. God bless. I hope we can talk again. It was my pleasure. Of course.