Jiang Xueqin: Humanity's patterns, the nature of reality, and the battle for your mind.

Hello everybody. This is All Quiet on the Inner Front. I'm Alex Ray and I'm very uh lucky today to be joined by Professor Xang Shu Ching um the star of predictive history and um a very popular voice on on YouTube these days bringing new frameworks of understanding to the world uh of our past and the world around us at the present.

Um, Professor Jang, um, I think your your popularity in the last year in particular has, um, really captured a lot of people's, uh, understanding of the missing elements of history and the way we understand the world. um particularly through your incorporation of uh psychological and spiritual nuances and elements in looking at human societies and human motivations. Um I think you briefly described this as psycho history on the introduction in your channel. Um could you uh tell us a little bit more about how you came to see this as a more um nuanced and appropriate approach to history as opposed to I think what the sort of uh status quo um orthodox approach that many people would have grown up with at in high school and um what are the extra nuanced elements of psychology and spirituality that you feel necessary to bring into any understanding of history.

>> Yeah. So, um it's a long story, but you know, when I was growing up um in Toronto, um I was an immigrant child in Toronto. I didn't have that many friends and I was bullied a lot, so I retreated into the library. I read a lot of books. Um I was a huge fan of science fiction. So, um, my favorite, of course, was Isaac Aszimov, um, the psycho history, but I also read, you know, Ray Bradberry, um, and, um, I also love John Weinham. The day of the day of the triits is one of my favorite books. Um, Isaac Azimov, um, I absorbed, I read all of his books because it was so easy for me to read. Now, it's interesting because at my age, looking back and trying to read reread the Foundation series, it's unreadable. It is the most horrendously written books out there. It is I mean the man is illiterate. It's almost impossible to read um as an adult but as a child um it it seemed as though I was sympatical with his worldview. Um you know the foundation series was this vast expanding universe and the main argument is that um if you study if you take like micro samples like m micro data and you look at tens of thousands of years of human history you you understand that there are patterns that emerge and then you can take these patterns and then mathematically model them and then create this framework in which you can actually predict what's going to happen. Um, and there'll be different crisis points and then there'll be different solutions to these crisis points. And even though there might be some divergences, but you always end up in the same place. Now, and and this is true only because at the macro level, right? You're talking you're talking about like trillions of people in the Foundation world, you're talking about like tens of thousands of years. And that was his argument um in the Foundation series. And that's something that's an idea that stayed with me my entire life.

Um my life took a sharp divergence when I went to Yale. Okay. Because you know I was a poor immigrant in Toronto and I was a marginalized um individual and then I go to Yale which is really the center of the universe right this is where all the children of the elite go and um even though I myself was not that successful at Yale I mean success I was successful academically. I mean I did well in school but you know Yale is not a place where you uh go and learn knowledge. Y is a place where you meet the connections uh build the social network that will carry you for the rest of your life. So for so example classic example is George W. Bush. George W. Bush when he went to Yale, he was a cheerleader and he was a C student, but he um was on a first-name basis with every one of his classmates at Yale and they stayed together for um you know they stayed as friends for the rest of their lives. I met his roommate once uh his his roommate is uh Sandy Rant and he was a lawyer in Hong Kong when I met him and you know he went to Hodkkins and went to Yale and he ended up as um George W. Bush's um ambassador to Beijing. um when when he was president. So it's a very close network and and I was a marginalized part of this network but I imbued I absorbed a lot of their values and a lot of their um intellectual framework for the world and basically the framework it's a very simple one in which that the best ideas always triumph and the best individuals the best talent will always triumph and that's a story of history it's a theological history towards progress towards enlightenment and that's something that um I believe for the longest time.

But then you know after I gradu from Yale I started to fail uh through life. Um and you know I started out as a high school teacher in Beijing. Then I worked as a a journalist um for the chronicle high education. Then I became a doctorate filmmaker. I also worked for the United Nations at some point. And then all this time um it it was a long period of cognitive dissonance which drove me into into depression because you know I went to Yale and I believe that um people are inherently good and that good will triumph in the end. But then you know working at the United Nations and seeing all this corruption um being in China and seeing all this u incompetence um and just meeting people who were extremely successful and then you're like I don't know why they succeeded because these are mediocre individuals. So I had a and and I I myself was just floundering through life. Um I I I I wrote like three books all of which failed. Um, I was unemployed for the longest time for like a couple years. I was like literally living in my parents' basement playing Starcraft from like I think 6:00 p.m. until 5:00 a.m. I was like a vampire. Um, and I lived my life like online and but it felt safe because once I stepped outdoors, once I started to meet with meet people, people confused me. the the the human world confused me because it was not the way that logically it was supposed to work.

And so um after a long bout of depression um I started to begin to resurrect or develop a new understanding of how the world works. And um at this time I I started to play poker. Okay. I played um Texas Hold on poker and what I re what I recognized is that when you play poker, you play any game, it seems as though every individual has a distinct strategy of how to play this game. And this strategy, you may not think it's logical, but he's winning money. So, it does work. All right. So, there are different types of poker players. And I started to like study different games and I recognized that wow like in every game you're going to have a diversity a range of strategies and these strategies may may not be optimal for you but they're optimal for the other person. Okay. So human humans are diverse and each person has an optimal strategy according to his personality according to their circumstance. And so once I started to appreciate and apply psychology to game theory, then I started to have a much more nuance uh and a much more uh realistic understanding of how the the world works.

And a major breakthrough was, you know, like six years ago, um I have a good friend, his name is David Brahmich, and he was my professor mentor at Yale. He's starting professor of English at Yale, and he's he's really the smartest man I I know. And I made a point of staying in touch with him like for for for for decades. And um we had these email exchanges because you know Trump had won the presidency and there was all these DI politics at the universities at Yale that was confusing him. So we would have these like um email conversations. At first he got in touch because he wanted to know what the culture cultural revolution was like in China. And I I told him like you know what's happen what happened in the 70s in China is exactly what's happening right now in the United States on college campuses. And so so we we develop very long uh uh close email relationship. And then we start to transition to talk about geopolitics. We started to talk about why Putin invaded um uh Ukraine. Um will Trump uh win 2020? Um so so so we went through all these geopolitics and then I recognized that whatever I was doing my entire life the system of analysis that I developed in intellectual framework I developed had a good way of predicting how events would unfold. All right so I predicted that uh Putin would invade Ukraine. I predicted that Trump would win 2020 but if he didn't win 2020 then he would run again in 2024 and he would win. I pred I predicted the war in uh Iran. And so I I was you know in these email exchanges um that I had you know I'm very thankful for David Brahmage because you know he really inspired me really mentored me in this process. I recognized that um I could I could explain why the world was working uh the way it was.

Um, and so um a couple years ago I started to teach a class on geo strategy on geopolitics and I filmed it and I put it on uh YouTube and um I made certain predictions uh for so for example I predicted that Trump would win 2024. He would become president again. I predicted that um um Trump would attack Iran. I I predicted that uh there'd be a civil war in um America at some point. um possibly by 2028 I predicted that Putin would uh win the war in Ukraine and he would move and capture Odessa. Okay, so these are all predictions that are turning out to be accurate and that's what allow me to blow up on on the internet. So um so so yeah so I would say that my framework it it it's an appreciation that at the end of the day human society it's a game and there are different players and we have to understand the psychology of these major players okay people like Putin and Trump if we are to understand how the world works because at the end of the day it's not ideas that ultimately win out it's these individuals that must play the game and they're going to play the game that um maximizes their best interests and if we see the world that way um then I think it makes more much more sense. So I've been using this analysis uh game theory analysis um to understand geopolitics and it's turned out pretty well.

Okay. So, um, most recently, um, we, um, I was I was on some geopolitical podcast and, um, I kept on arguing that this, uh, American war in Venezuela makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You look from a game theory perspective, um, what Trump is doing doesn't really make any sense because a lot of people are saying, well, he's he wants it for the oil. I'm like, well, if he wants the oil, he can just buy the oil, right? And that's that's what's happening right now where Delsey Rodriguez, the new president of Venezuela had is issuing new laws that make it much easier for the private ownership of um Venezuela um oil companies, the the Venezuela oil sector. Okay. So he could he he could have done that like you know before. Okay. And so I kept on saying that. It was but it was unclear to me why he was doing that because I didn't have enough information to work with. I just knew like the standard geopolitical explanation that he wants to see oil doesn't really make sense. Okay. And then what happened of course was that um Maduro was kidnapped. Um the Delta Force went in, blew us blew our stuff up including the mausoleum of Hugo Chavez and um um kidnapped Maduro and they they paraded him for the streets of New York. And then it clicked to me why this is happening. Okay, it clicked to me why they did this. And the answer is first of all Maduro must be a CIA asset because there's no other explanation for how it was so easily done. It could have only been done with the cooperation of those inside. The idea that Deli Rodriguez, the vice president, betrayed um um Maduro is just ridiculous because this guy Maduro was in power for 13 years. So he has a political sense. I mean he's not an idiot. I mean he may be stupid if you talk to him about geopolitics, about mathematics. He doesn't know any of this stuff. But political survival, um, game theory, he he understands a lot. And so, um, I don't think anyone betrayed him. I think that he was always a CIA asset because he had to be in order to to survive that long. If he were not, they would have assassinated him a long time ago. Um, and um, he had Cuban bodyguards and basically they were there to keep him in prison and D force went in to extract him. They they went to extricate him from the situation. And the deal is that Maduro will be put on trial. Uh I don't know when. I mean it's gonna happen soon. Now Maduro is gonna say two things. Okay. The first thing he's gonna say is that Venezuela um participates in drug smuggling and therefore the Americans were right to arrest me for knuckle trafficking. Okay. This was a legitimate pretext for arresting me. And number two is, and this is most important, is that he has evidence that the Democrats stole the 2020 election using spmatic machines. Okay? So smartmatic machines are um voting machines that they use in Venezuela. And and and he's going to tell you how it's possible to rig the smartmatic machines. And then it's going to prove that yes, the Democrats did steal the 2020 election. In return, Trump's going to um pardon him. Okay. Uh you know, both he and his wife were extricated from Venezuela. So, it seems as though there was an agreement already in place. And so, so again, this is a prediction that I make and we'll we'll see in a month or two whether or not this prediction holds out. But again, like this is game theory analysis to geopolitics where before it's like, okay, it's just oil. No, no, no, no. What does Trump want and what does Maduro want? Right? Trump wants to overturn the 2020 election and get a third term. Right? If he's able to prove to the American people that in fact the Democrats stole the 2020 election, >> then this justifies him running for a third term and and I think he will win by landslide. I think that 2028 I I would not be surprised if it was a Trump versus Obama matchup. And I would not and in that situation Trump would win easily. Okay? Okay. I guarantee you if that were that was a matchup, Obama would be destroyed, especially with the release of the Epson files, right? >> Yeah. >> So, so you have to ask yourself why this is happening? Why why this Venezuela um kidnapping of Maduro, why the release of Epson files, right? Um and if you just look at Trump as a player and he's trying to get a third term and he's trying to become king of the United States, then all this makes sense. Ultimately, his greatest enemy in achieving a third term are not the Democrats. It's a deep state. Okay? So from his perspective, it was not the Democrats who rigged the 2020 election. It was a deep state or a certain faction of the deep state um that was financed by C CIA drug money that allowed um the Democrats to win to that allowed Joe Biden to win. And so he needs to attack these people. And you can do that through, you know, Maduro. You can also do that through the Epson files. You can also do that through um um Palunteer and Peter Teal, right? Getting them to um overturn the the deep state install a new deep state. Okay, so that's what Trump Donald Trump is doing and that and so like you know everyone thinks Donald Trump is an idiot. He may be an idiot. Okay, I mean like I think if he if you were to ask him to write a paper uh a speech he it would be a terrible terrible speech but in terms of like personality politics in terms of like political man manipulation in terms like controlling optics um then I think he's he's the best in the world. I think he's a super athlete in terms of uh political manipulation and controlling political perception. Okay? And that's the idea of game theory like like for him to be in this position he needs to be the best at what he does. Okay? So ask yourself what does he do really well and what is his ambition? What what are are are his motivations? What are his incentives? And what is optimal strategy? If you look at that way then what what he's doing makes perfect sense. and and then you can make you can extrapolate and make certain predictions in that and and I and I predict very I predict that he will win a he will win a third term. I predict that he will get a third term. In fact, I will go as far to say he will get a fourth term as well.

>> Fantastic. I mean the um [clears throat] this the references that many people have made to his time in the WWE I think it is in the professional wrestling scene seem to be ringing very true in the way that he manages politics as form of entertainment in a in a way as a as a story as a show. I think you've mentioned this uh quite often in your in your lectures.

>> Okay. So so I'll I'll say this. Okay. I will say that politics was always a show. All right. So, so let let me give an example. George HW Bush, George HW Bush is in the Epstein files, right? And the accusation against him is that he was organizing these, you know, orgies that we saw in white eyes wide shut >> and there were satanic rituals. Um, and you know what? It fits his personality. Okay. So, let's go into some basic background about George HW Bush. First of all, we can guess that he was a mastermind of Iran Contra, right? Because Ronald Reagan is an actor, whereas um George HW Bush was a deep state operative since he was a teenager. I mean, his family is CIA, deep state, okay? The Bushes. Um and he went to Andover. He was in uh Skull and Bones at Yale. Okay. So, so he really is um the secret um Satan that controls America. Iron Contra was he masterminded that. Okay. Now what's interesting is 1980s a conduit for iron condro this drug smug smuggling was Arkansas and who was governor of Arkansas at that time Bill Clinton right and we know I mean this is well documented Bill Clinton and George HW Bush are really good friends in fact if you talk to people who know the two um people will tell you that George HW Bush saw Brooklyn as a son much more so than than his own son George W Bush he actually saw George W Bush as a bit of a failure And here was Boke Clinton who was very articulate, very charming, he had a great future. And George HW Bush really mentored Clinton. So 1992 um when George HW Bush and Bill Clinton were on stage debating, it was a show, right? George HW Bush was perfectly happy to give the presidency to Bill Clinton because he's actually better off in the shadows, right? Why is it that of all the presidents we know least about um the presidential afterlife of George Ob George HW, right? We know that uh Bill Clinton started the Clinton Foundation. We know that Obama started his foundation. We know that um uh George HW Bush became a painter, right? But we know nothing about the afterlife uh president afterlife of George HW and we can just assume that he went back to being a spy to being this puppet master around the world. Okay.

So, um um Bill Clinton was being mentored by George HW Bush and you know a lot of his policies George Hw would have enacted anyway, right? He was trying to enact them like NAFTA and most patient most favorite nations trading status for China. this new neoliberal agenda that was very much part of the Reagan Bush years, but he had problems implementing them because of all the um uh push back from the Democrats. Right? People don't people don't remember this, but the Democrats under Dip Gethart um in the 1980s was a workingclass party that did not want immigrants, that did not want free trade and did not believe that China would be a good trading partner because of China's blatant abuse of human rights. People forget all this. Okay. So, the Democrats were the polar opposite of the Republicans and Bill Clinton was a perfect person to co-opt and destroy the Democratic party from within, right? From and make it more Republican. Okay? So, you you can say the Democrats have become Republican, Republicans have become, you know, MAGA. All right? But but think about the cooperation between George HW Bush and Bill Clinton where George HW could not have implemented his policies under under Republican administration but he could have done so through a Clinton administration. Okay, that's point number one. Point number two is okay so uh his son wins and his one son won because of the Supreme Court, right? Um, so I think Senator Day Connor was a deciding vote and you know, so I'm sure his father made some phone calls. But what happens right after his son wins? 911 happens. Okay. And who's the only person in the world who could have orchestrated 911? George HW Bush, right? Because it was all his people in place, including Donald Ransfield, Dick Cheney, uh, all all these people were his people in place. And if you just look at the Epstein files and the sort of like the the um complicated satic rituals that he organized. Yeah. He's he's sort of the person to sort like think that 911 is um he would want to orchestrate something like 911. Okay. And of course you have the war war on terror. But then 20 uh 2004 that presidential election was very interesting as well because who who who are the candidates? John Kerry for the Democrats, >> George HW Bush. Sorry, George W. Bush for the Republicans. Guess what? They're both scaring bones, right? Who's the lead of scone bones? George HW. Okay. So, no matter what would have happened, he would have won and the policies would have continued. Okay? >> Right? So, you could and then and then and who comes next? Obama. Uh I'm not sure if you know anything about Obama, but but his family is clearly CIA. If his family is clearly CIA, then he's another puppet of George HW Bush. All right? So it's just one continuous regime, one continuous set of policies. >> Yeah. >> And but of course the major disruption was Donald Donald Trump. All right. And and but like so if you if you go back to Ronald Reagan up until Obama, it's just one clear adal framework for how jails should be run. And whenever they ran into into stumbling blocks, they they um found a candidate that could remove these c these stumbling blocks, right? So Bill Clinton removed the left um workingclass objections to this regime. Then Obama uh was able to um re like remove the liberal objections, right? Because remember identity politics. >> Exactly. Right. Because remember why why do we have identity politics? Because of occupy Wall Street. Yeah. >> Right. because 2008 um the entire global elite showed how corrupt, how incompetent they were by basically destroying the global economy and then occupy Washington. Occupy Washington was a real thing. It had it had a revolutionary tenure to it and Obama was brought in to implement identity politics. Okay. And so so that's how the system works. So it's always been like this.

>> So there's a few threads that I want to bring together from what you've spoken about so far. Um the first is that um the vast majority of the population live uh they grow up with certain stories about the way the world works. Certain self that they that they build into their self-concept that they create as assumptions like you mentioned like you work hard and you will get ahead, you'll be rewarded this sort of thing. Um, and the other is that in reality there is these stories are all part of the show that people are indoctrinated into and behind the scenes the world works in a much more uh almost incomprehensible way in our knowledge of the way that consciousness works. But also that is not necessarily just a um positive uh sense of higher consciousness that this uh higher consciousness can lend itself towards evil use or immoral use and that's what I have sort of understood from the threads that you draw through your lectures of when you've spoken about ancient practices of religious indoctrination and the origins of secret societies all the way through to their modern secular forms in the intelligence agencies who are the indoctrinators of the modern secular world and their studies into mind control through programs that we know about such as MK Ultra and I'm sure many many others that we don't know about. Um could you speak to a bit about the implications of what that means for the sort of facade of the world that we think we see and the actual nature of reality going on behind it?

Yeah. Great. Okay. Yeah. So, um the best metaphor to use in this instance is to think about Plato's allegory of the cave, right? >> So, in Plato's out of the cave, everyone's well like most people are prisoners and they're chained to the ground. Uh and their necks are shackled, so they can't move around. Okay? And the only thing they can stare at is a wall, right? And the rulers of this world, what they do is they have this fire behind everyone. And this fire, they have the these um these puppets. And these puppets then um project onto the wall. All right. And that's perfect metaphor to understand the world we live in where reality is manifestation of our perceptions. Okay. Consciousness is what gives rise to reality. If you want to create reality then you have to be able to control and direct the consciousness of the majority of people. Okay. And that's what the elite do. Um ever since the beginning of time, right? So before these people were called priests, right? What what's the job of priests? priests were to create a narrative about the world that controlled and directed people's consciences so that this reality could be manifested uh with with the priests at the very center. And this is no different from the world we live in today. Why do we have schools? Why do we have media? Why do we have the internet? And the point is to conjure the consciousness of everyone in order to manifest a reality that benefits the elite. What's the purpose of this reality? The ultimate purpose of this reality is to extract energy from people because that's the real wealth in the universe, right? If the entire universe is consciousness, then the real wealth is the capacity to direct and extract this consciousness and direct in a way that benefits you. Okay? And and so another way of saying this is attention. Like if you can direct people's attention, then you have all the power in the world. Okay? And there are different mechanisms that you can use to direct attention. So the most easy the most universal way is money right because money has a way of focusing your attention on on trying to obtain as much of it as possible and then to support um this idea where money is the center of the universe is um the entire media e ecosystem where when you read the news uh like read it very carefully right it's always like GDP okay what matters is GDP how much money was made it's not about happiness it's not about uh well-being it's not about spirituality It's about GDP. Okay. It's about human life. Okay. So human life is an economic commodity. So it's not about the quality of life you you live. It's it's not about how creative or imaginative you are. It's about like you know like your life is a set economic unit. If you if you die then that's a uh downgrade of GDP. Okay. So the entire world is to focus your attention on money and make you believe that money is God. that money is the end all and be all and that's a world we we live in uh in today and [snorts] but but what's key to understand is that actually you know what money can go away you don't really need money you you but what you still need is to be able to direct and control people's attention that's why there are these fail saves in the system okay and so the example classic classic example is artificial intelligence right why are they spending so much money on developing artificial intelligence is it really so that you can generate porn videos online so you can watch it. Is is it really so that you have an AI go for it? No. The point is that once money is gone, you gone, you need a new god to replace money and that has to be artificial intelligence, a mechanism or device that can control your entire perception. Okay? So imagine, you know, like you're online and this computer's talking to you. And I I met people I have friends who tell me like this AI is real and like I'm trying to explain them, no, it's not real. It's a goddamn hallucination. Okay. All AI is is statistical modeling. That's all it is. You're being fooled and they don't get it. It's impossible to explain. No, it's real. I talk to him. I talk to the AI and the AI understands me. Okay. So, so I mean that's the fail safe. Once the money system is gone, then you create a world in which you know you everyone has everyone lives in his own individual matrix. Okay. It's it's it's like literally that and like you spend all your time on online talking to your AI girlfriend and talking to God who will tell you how to live a a better life. And what they don't understand is that uh behind this AI it's like the Wiz of Oz. It's it's just like this old guy like you know talking to you. Okay. And it could be like literally you know like lit literally it could be like millions of Indians in a warehouse somewhere talking to you and and you you think it's God. you you you you you think you're literally talking to like Natalie Portman or someone or like [snorts] Audrey Heard who's who's been brought back from the dead. All right. So, so so so yeah, I mean like the problem of consciousness is that you know it's beautiful. It leads to massive creativity. The problem of consciousness is like we cannot differentiate reality from fantasy, right? We just can't do it. So if so once this AI system is in place then we all become prisoners in Plato's uh cave.

M also there there's um several key elements to if if you add into this understanding which will show people that the way technology has developed um all throughout the scientific rational age probably is not accidental as well in the sense of like the reason why smartphones have developed in the way they have is a deliberate understanding of the way to capture people's attention to keep them distracted to keep them divided and uh to keep them reactive emotionally. Um just as most people don't realize that the internet and Google were products of the military and the CIA deliberately to be able to collect data and to sort it and to be able to filter through it and use it for you know whatever purposes they wanted to. And in a similar sense, >> sorry, sorry, I hate to interrupt, but but I I go deeper and say that science itself was a creation of of of Freemason. That's what I was about to say. >> Yeah. Isaac Newton, they're all Freemasons, >> right? Um >> because what science does is is it um it it one of its like biggest coups was that it gave it it wiped away previous history and put on top of it a new interpretation of a place in the world that was purposeless and seemingly random. Yeah. >> So it hid a lot of the deliberate minations that were happening. >> Exactly. So evolution, right? The theory of evolution, it's a really problematic theory, but like like think about how in like 20 years time it was able to conquer all of the world, right? So like in 20 years time, all schools were teaching the theory of evolution. And like you're not allowed to create like like it's the most dominant theory in the world. And if like you ever question evolution, say it's like did we really evolve from apes? People would just think you're insane. People would would just think that you're this, you know, this [ __ ] Okay. It's so embedded in our everyday reality, like this theory of of of evolution. Um Yeah.

>> Well, also, um it it means that uh pe people I think we lost as a population an understanding of what it actually means to advance your consciousness. uh whether that's spiritually or in a secular sense because um I have you know uh beginner experience in some of the um eastern rel religious traditions and uh it is very clear that it is possible for people to advance their consciousness into the uh interpersonal and interplanetary cosmic realms. Um but if that is not done in a healthy way, it can also end up with people who are actually very advanced in their the power of their minds but who have dark psychological pathological shadows which are then incorporated into the way they see the world. And I have a sense that this is what has been happening with the secret societies for a long period of time in that they have uh attained certain powers over the mind and they have sought about using them for because also there there is the I think I I've taken this from your um lectures as well. If you understand that the nature of what we think to be reality is not true and that there is a sort of phenomena or a monad and that what happens in this realm is actually not as important as what happens in the monad then that gives you the if you're you know immorally inclined that gives you the license to behave however you want in this world and >> exactly >> yeah you're exactly right and this goes back to the alleg of the cave right where one person escapes and he goes into the monad the nana and he sees reality for what it is just pure consciousness pure light and at this point he has he he can he has three options right the first option is to just stay where he is but he doesn't do that because he feels pity for the people below him so he goes down second option is to go down and tell the truth to people and then people just laugh at him right and this leads to a third option which is like well why not just use this against people you know if you know the truth then then you are the oneeyed man in the kingdom of the god blind right you What do you want? >> And and and that's what the people in power understand. Like if I understand that mind um is everything, consciousness is everything, then I'm able to use this against people because they don't understand this. PE people understand people people think that money is everything. But like what matters is who prints the money, who creates the money, who controls the money, right? That's what matters. Doesn't matter how much money you have. Like you have a trillion dollars of like fake money. Good for you, right? Yeah. So that that takes me on to a a question um that I'd like to direct more to our the western audience. Um we've spoken a bit about um the deeper currents of thought and belief systems within society that linger on for millennia or hundreds of years at the least. But we in the scientific rational age kind of dismiss them as being outdated or as if we have progressed beyond them. And there are three there was one particularly impactful period in the Protestant Reformation um which you've spoken about where this question of uh how do I know if I'm being a true believer to God came up and there was three answers that were created to that. There was the the Calvinist work ethic, the the breaking of taboos and I think the third one was the um inner assurance and and self introspection. Um you've spoken about the first two in particular and how they sort of linger. We you see them showing up in society these days really shaping the way that we um you know hail rich people because they seem to have some gained the grace of God. And you've spoken also about the breaking of taboos uh as being more involved in some of the the secret societies activities as their way of showing their filty to nobody but God. Um what I don't see showing up in our society is the third answer so much the the inner assurance through self-crutiny. Um, do you have any understanding of why that worked out the way it did? That that two of the answers to that question were very powerful and successful and the third answer did not uh gain much traction.

>> Yeah. Right. The Well, it's because the idea of individuality, right? The the idea of individual creativity is greatest threat to the system because your greatest act of rebellion is to deny the reality before you and establish your own reality. If everyone did that, the system would collapse, right? So the um active rebellion is not to overturn the regime because whatever what because if that ever happened, you would just be the new regime doing whatever they did before, right? That's why we feel this continuity in the system even though we know for a fact that these dynasties, these individuals have changed over time. So the idea, you know, like I I've heard I've heard conspiracy theorists say that, you know, this goes back to the 13 families of Rome, this goes back to um Venice, this goes back to the uh Knights Tempest. This is all nonsense. This is not how humans behave. But the ideas passed on from uh generation to generation. the idea of how to construct a reality uh in which you are able to enslave the majority of people that's that's stayed with us. And according to game theory like even if this knowledge were not to be passed on whoever's in charge would just build a new a system like that because that that is optimizing his interests. Okay. So and so it feels as though it's continuous but it's not. Um so the only way out out of this is for us as individuals because you know you know we all have a connection to the higher consciousness to the monad is for us to embrace this consciousness and to reject what um is before us. Okay to reject money reject materialism to uh reject status and say that what matters to me is my own creativity. What matters to me is my my impact on others around me. My generosity, my openness, my kindness. Um by acting with generosity, I change the world for the better. Okay? And that's a secret because because you know people talk about a holographic universe, right? What is a holographic [clears throat] universe? >> Um all all the universe is reflected in us. And so if so we have the capacity to change the universe for the better or for the worse for our own individual actions. Once we embrace our um unique individuality, once we embrace our the power of our consciousness and once we um understand our own responsibility to the universe, then we have to participate in the world in a way that benefits everyone. and and and that um is the act greatest act of rebellion. It's actually an act that requires the most courage because what you're talking really about is abandoning your family, abandoning your friends, abandoning the society that you grew up in. Okay? It's it's like basically >> jumping off a cliff and expecting to land, right? But like no, you like you you you've been taught that you jump off a cliff, you're going to die. But you you know in your heart that when you jump off the cliff, you're just going to fly. And like I mean I mean I mean I mean if you said that to people, people people would just think you're crazy. [snorts]

Yeah. Absolutely. And I I [clears throat] mean this week uh it seems that um people are being pushed in this direction uh whether they like it or not through the the things that we're finding out about the world through the Epstein files where um a lot of people describe like you couldn't make this up as if it was a movie script. things seem to be playing out uh in a almost theatrical way that is so shocking as to force people to start waking up. Um I I know that there's many people in the spiritual world who see this as a you know almost divine intervention style of period that we're that we're going through. But it does seem quite clear that there is a level of um waking up and waking up into responsibility for ourselves that we are we are passing through. Um I I actually started to notice this through Osama bin Laden's letter to America. Um which you know they the deep state did a great job of trying to uh repress when it came up again at the beginning of the genocide in in Gaza. But what he his one of his main messages to Americans in that was you need to take responsibility for the actions of your government as citizens if you want to claim to be a democracy because under your democratic logic. You are, you know, electing the people that will carry out policies on your behalf. And if that this is what they're going to do to our people, these are the consequences you can expect to see. So in a sense it it was a it was an original wakeup call that that he gave. I you know there's so much about his links to the CIA and and other things that I won't go into now but in some ways these type of events called us to wake up to the reality that we live in.

>> Yeah. So I think the greatest shock of Epson files is people recognize that the elite they're not special. Okay. They're not they're not smarter. They're not moral. They're not more they're not more moral. They're not more competent. Okay. They can spell properly. Okay. >> Um and and that's the great truth of this world. The people in positions of power are there because they were born into positions of power. That that's something I discovered when I went to Yale. I go to Yale and I expecting like this, you know, this heaven of intellectual uh brilliance and it's not. Even the professors were mediocre. Uh they were just like I mean like I was like, "Oh my god, this is like my high school, but it's bigger. That's all it is. And and so like and and and you know that's what people need to recognize that the elite are just you and me. Okay. The only difference is they have all the power and power corrupts. And so and so like I was talking to my wife about why Jeffrey Epstein was doing what he was doing. Like like why are they doing this? Because like it's disgusting. And her explanation uh makes the most sense. So I mean my my my wife she's not from a powerful family but she grew up in a very powerful organization and from an early age she's dealt with powerful people. Okay. So she she knows what they're like. Okay. She she explain to me how they are. Okay. So the powerful people are usually born into position of of privilege. And if if you're like that there's no excitement in your life. There's no challenge. There's no it's only just privilege. And privilege is boring. It's numbing. Okay. So for them the greatest challenge is how do you find excitement? How do you stir a feeling in your heart in this world? And our explanation is you do it for children. Okay. Why? Well, first of all, you know, it's like having having a doll, right? A doll you can play with, a cat you can play off play with. But childrens are much more exciting. Uh you can play with them, you can control them, you can manipulate them, you can abuse them. And the other thing is that you can scare children much more e easily. Okay. So you know this conspiracy theory where uh the elite draw energy from uh enginrome okay uh and and denochrome okay and you and endocchrom is just you know um blood that is excited blood that comes from fear okay and and if you and and so you drink that blood because this blood is is rejuvenating well

It's that that's a metaphorical statement. Where as a powerful person, and you see a child, um, in fear, that excites you. That excites you both sexually, and psychologically, and emotionally. And, and, and so, you know, you have you've seen these videos of like Prince, Prince Andrew, just running around and grabbing children, and he was like, really, really excited, really, really happy when he's doing that. And, and the reason why is that's the only thing that can bring him excitement. Another, um, example is Squid Game. I'm not sure if you've seen the Netflix series, The Squid Game, right? The entire premise of The Squid Game is you have all these rich people in South Korea, and they have the most money in the world. They can do whatever they want. They can like sleep with like the like the most beautiful movie star in the world. They don't want to do that because it's boring. Okay? They're looking for some excitement in their life, and that's they, that's why they create The Squid Game.

All right, so The Squid Game is just a metaphor for Epcor, man. They're bored by everything. They're bored by their own lives. They're bored by the people around them because they're all psychopontants. They're bored by power itself because, um, they, they've experienced it all. And so like they're looking for like novelty in their lives, and that's what children bring. Okay.

There's also, and, and then, and I was like, why are they so blatant about this? And my wife says it's psychology where you have to have a risk of getting caught. You have to have the risk of being exposed in order for this to be exciting. Okay? If it's all just hidden from everyone and no one can ever find out and there's no risk, it's not funny. It's not funny anymore. Right?

So, so, so I, I, I understand this sounds really, um, disturbing, but unfortunately, if you give a certain group of people too much power, then this is the way they behave. And, and this has been true historically. Okay? You look at any society in China. Guess what, guys? We do the same thing. All right? Don't, don't think that, oh, Chinese are more superior because of Confucianism. Don't think that the Indians are superior because of their Vedic tradition. No, everyone's the same. If you put position of p, if you put people in position of power, they're going to abuse it. All right? And what they want ultimately is novelty, excitement, feeling. All right? So like just you and me, we, we feel a tremendous rush when we achieve something. Well, they've achieved it all. So, so, so they need the sort of like sadistic satanic rituals in order to feel alive again.

Look, the other thing that has not been in the Epstein files, but I'm sure there's lots of them, are snuff films. Okay. >> I'm sure there's lots of these things, um, because that's what they do, man. >> Yep. Yeah.

I, I can't help but feel like, um, [clears throat] I mean, I know this is repeated through all cultures and, and ages, but it does seem to have some links to, um, the broader cultural malaise and lack of meaning that we see in the West currently. Um, where you, you, you kind of mentioned this in your, uh, lecture about gerontocracy, where we have a, a class of people who at the top of the society who do not want to budge. Um, they control all the wealth, um, and they're, you know, a bit uncreative. But this seems to me to be a, a representation of where the society is at in general. The whole Western society seems geriatric in a sense. Um, and there's some other things that you mentioned about the Anglosphere in your lectures. I think starting with Shakespeare, but you mentioned it with, um, some of the other great English literature works, that English as a language has this propensity to be used with a lot of dazzle and show, but with less actual substantive meaning to it in comparison to other languages. And we know that language shapes our, the way our mind works in particular. Um, so I wanted to ask you if, if is there something that you've seen in the Anglosphere and in English language in particular that has led itself towards this society that lacks any meaning? It can produce great orators and people with a lot of entertainment value, but not actually any real ideas or contribution to civilization.

>> Yeah. I, I think, um, yeah, no, I, I think a lot of that stems from the fact that Britain was an island, right? And as an island, you, you're very provincial, you're very insular in the way you, you perceive the world. And when Britain became an empire, it didn't become more cosmopolitan. It didn't become much more deep and insightful. It just spread its elementality throughout the world, including the Anglosphere, right? So you go to Australia, these are pretty provincial people. You could go to Canada. Yeah. >> Pretty provincial, man. >> I, I grew up in Canada. These are pretty stupid people. >> Um, and like you said, the same in Australia as well, right? So, so it isn't like, you know, okay, we're not an empire and we need to be much more cosmopolitan. We, we need to create a cosmopolitan culture. No, it's not like, no, no, no. They just spread their island mentality throughout the world.

Mhm. Because I, I feel like this is part of what is showing up in the, the, the sort of social crisis of the West as well, in that, uh, you know, there is the mental health crisis, loneliness, individualism, uh, you know, for young men, uh, the highest, uh, cause of death is diseases of despair. Um, and is this an inevitable, uh, you know, dead end for Western consumer society? Or have you seen or thought of any ways that the Western world could restore meaning to its people and to its, you know, civilizational direction and purpose?

>> Yeah, I think this is the end. Um, and I'm extremely pessimistic about this. I think that we're headed to about 100 years of like permanent decline. Um, and this is very similar to the Bronze Age collapse, where unfortunately, one system of thought, you know, like this consumer liberal democracy has conquered the world, right? So Francis Fukuyama talks about this in The End of History, where there's really no other competing ideology against, uh, consumer, uh, liberal democracy, and it's really conquered the world, including China. Okay? Including China. I, like, yes, I understand China is an authoritarian society, but it, it has a lot of the, um, basic worldview, uh, of the consumer liberal democratic mentality, which is like the consumer is everything. Um, money is what matters. Materialism is all that matters. Okay? So this idea has really conquered the, the world, and unfortunately, um, there can't be another system that could replace this system. Okay? So what's going to happen is this system is going to fracture. And so we're living in a time when we've reached the peak of globalization. And it's amazing to think about, okay, but think, think about how I could be sitting in China and I could be making money in the United States, and this money from the United States is wired immediately to my bank account in China, converted from US dollars to RMB immediately, and I can use this to go to the store and buy avocados from Mexico. I can buy, I can use to buy cherries from Chile. Okay? This is an incredible system that we have. And like tomorrow, if I want, I could board a plane and go to the Maldives to to scuba dive and pay it all with, with a Chinese credit card. It's amazing the system we have, but it's not sustainable because it doesn't provide any meaning to the world. Um, it's one of decadence. It's one of corruption. It, it, it's one that's anti-human because again, we're consciousness. We're here on this world to expand the consciousness of ourselves as well as the universe. And that means a, a life of struggle, hardship, and pain. I'm sorry to say this, but that's a life we should live. And instead, we've chosen a life of easy, uh, luxury, decadent corruption. Okay? We, we choose the easier path rather than the harder path, even though the only path to enlightenment, the only path to only path to wisdom is through the harder path, by climbing a mountain. Um, and, and so, uh, the universe is going to punish us for this. Okay? Um, because this is not why we're here. And the universe is like, "Okay, guys, if you want to play this game, then we're going to play this game." Okay? So the big thing to watch out for is something called the magnetic pole excursion. And the magnetic pole excursion, um, is going to basically reset the game. It's going to destroy the world. 99% of us will be dead in about 50 years' time. Um, and, you know, like, listen, like, just, just go on the net and like look at Antarctica, and if you melt all the ice, what happens? You find it's actually two or three different continents together. Okay? And if you keep, keep on looking further, you'll find some ancient structures there. Go to Amazon, there's lots of ancient structures in the Amazon. Okay? Um, biologists believe the Amazon was, um, man-made. Actually, you, you go to, like, a Teotihuacan. Okay? So, we look, humans have been around for about 200,000 years. We have about 10,000 years of our history. I cannot believe that these 200,000 years were just hunter-gatherers, you know, roaming a frozen world. Look, they built Çatalhöyük in like, a, in like, a few decades. You, you go like any society and like, they're very quickly able to build cities, um, if they put their minds to it. Okay? So, so we, so we're not the first great civilization. And the idea that, you know, this is all theological and that we've reached the peak of human civilization, it's not true. Go look at the pyramids, man. We have absolutely no idea how they built the pyramids, and we couldn't even do the pyramids ourselves. Okay? Um, so, so what's, what's amazing to think about is that there are other human civilizations, civilizations that that existed before us, and in many ways, they're much more advanced than us. They're so much more advanced that we can't imagine what they were like. Okay? Just as they can imagine what we're like today, we can't even imagine what they were like before. And so that's, that's the greatness of human civilization where if consciousness is the universe, we can manifest reality in any way that we imagine. If we put our collective minds to it and we have the correct values, then we create the civilization on, on Earth. So, so we create the civilization because of our material greed, right? Whereas before, maybe before they created civilizations based on a spiritual, uh, on spiritual enlightenment. All right? So you, you look at the Harappan civilization, right? The, uh, Indus Valley Civilization, extremely peaceful, egalitarian, and spiritual. And so, so we're able to create any civilization that we want, um, and the problem today is we, we created a material greedy civilization that can only destroy us, and it's destroying us spiritually. Um, I think never before in human history have have people become, have people been so depressed, so lonely, so, so hopeless.

Yeah, I think this is, um, an important point to just draw out from what some of the examples you've given and what we've spoken about previously today is that, um, the further, whether it's on the individual level all the way through to the global level, talking about globalization, the further we live at a distance from reality, the further into delusions we live about, uh, ourselves or about the world, the harder the crash is when those delusions turn out to be wrong. So globalization, you can sense in a, in just in a very menial way of like, >> I can buy fruit from all around the world at any time of the year, at any time of the day, that gives me a sense of, uh, you know, abundance or luxury that is actually built on false, frail structures that can collapse. And we have been pushing, kicking the can down the road of that delusion for so long that the collapse is going to be very hard. And just as in an individual life, it is usually only when people reach rock bottom that they actually start to wake up and they may turn towards spirituality and and start to reflect upon themselves. It feels like that is what we're going to have to go through collectively to return to a more wholesome way of living in the world.

>> And the reality is that most of us will not be able to do this. Okay? So what's going to kill us is not these natural disasters or war or famine. What's going to kill us is our, our incapacity to be resilient, our incapacity to be open-minded. Um, so, so, and I, I mean, that's, that's what, what's going to kill most people. And it's particularly, um, the biggest vulnerability in the Western world, which retains very little sense of spiritual faith. Because I, I've spent a lot of time in, in my professional life, uh, living in and working in places like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, where, um, practiced daily faith was a huge component of the way people have dealt with difficulties and maintained social cohesion for decades now, or centuries, really. Um, and that shows me that, you know, when everything in life comes crumbling down, what do you draw on to get up and get on with the day? That is something that I don't see anywhere in the Western world.

>> And, and the classic example is the Palestinians. They've been, uh, for everything. Okay? And in the Israeli mindset, these people have, have should be in Egypt right now, right? Why are they still around? So they've been, you know, bombed. Um, they've, there's absolutely no reason for them to go on. They, but, you know, they're having more children, and that's a power of faith, and that's why they, they're so resilient. That's why they're, um, they can't be defeated.

>> That's right. Um, so just as a, as a final question, um, I would like to, you know, we've spoken so much about like a pulling away of these delusions and and stories that people live within. Um, do you see any, like, I know you've already said you're relatively pessimistic about this. Um, but is there any chance that we, with the development of AI, we move from, we, we sort of replace the knowledge economy that we live in today in advanced societies with AI. And because there is, you know, not a lot left to do mentally, that we could return to actually working on the soul and the earth and the things that we need to sustain ourselves. Um, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like to hear your thoughts about that.

>> Right. So AI, um, doesn't mean more leisure time. It means the enslavement of, uh, mankind. It means the, um, capturing of all conscious energy. Right? So the idea of AI is to create a surveillance state where you're microchipped, um, where everything is digital, digital ID, digital currency, wherever you go, your movement is monitored, um, and if you do anything that is slightly wrong, you're nudged in the right direction, okay? So maybe your internet goes off, or your bank account is frozen, okay? So it's complete 100% surveillance. It's, it's a matrix, and it's meant to enslave us. And it's, it's like again, Plato's allegory of the cave, where you're literally now chained down and you can only stare at a screen. You can only see what people want you to see. That's what AI, uh, is. It's the idea of like, you know, AI is like freedom from work, and [snorts] it will free us up for more, uh, you know, spiritual endeavors. That's just complete nonsense. It's gaslighting. That's not what it is.

>> Right. >> I think people need to remember that, man. I know what it is. I've, I've seen the future, and it's China. Mhm. Well, yeah. I was, I often reference to people that they should go back and watch The Jetsons, the cartoon from the 50s and 60s, that were sort of the original propaganda about what technology would lead us to, that we would have all this leisure time and the robots would be doing the work. But nobody actually really asks where is that today. They don't see that technological development is, you know, from an economic perspective, just about replacing the cost of humans. And yeah, and then once we're not necessary, then that becomes about figuring out ways to control us.

>> Right? And, and, and look, I mean, a book everyone should read is Brave New World, okay? Because that, that is the future, right? Um, so the drugs, drugs will be a very important part of this, um, new world as well, new world order as well, where it's not just AI surveillance, it's also like drugs, right? So, um, you know, if you take vaccines, you don't know what they put in there, right? Uh, you don't know what they put in fast food, you don't know what they put in the water, but trust me, it's not good.

I think I have a question, um, maybe some of your audience would like to, to hear as well, is like, Um, how do your students respond to, uh, your teaching? You know, this is not a, uh, orthodox history class that they're getting into at such a young age. And I know a lot of people are sort of reliving their high school years through your lectures in a very, you know, enlightening way. Um, h how do you see your students' attitude to the world, uh, changing after what they're learning?

>> So the reality is that most students zone out. They don't even come to class. All right? So I, I'm like 16 students a class, but like maybe one or two will show up. Okay? And those one or two who show up, their lives are changed forever, because, you know, they'll go home, you know, they'll ask their parents like, you know, I've, I learned this in class, and what do you think? And, you know, they, like, it's, it's going to force them to think much more deep, deeper about the world. It's going to force them to be much more observant about the world, and it's going to open their minds, and that's the point of this, um, education. I make a lot of mistakes in my, in my teachings, you know, um, because I'm dealing with so much material, and a lot of what I'm doing is intuitive, you know. I'm not like a research scholar where I spend like years researching a topic to make sure every detail is correct. I'm much more intuitive. I'm just trying to speculate about how the world would work. Um, you know, it's, and, you know, I'm driven a lot, and you can probably tell this in my lecture, I'm driven by my own curiosity, right? He's like, I don't know these people. I don't know if this stuff is true or not. I'm just doing a thought experiment in my head. Like, okay, how can we explain what happened? Um, and, and, and so I'm really much more interested in teaching thought processes than I am about teaching, you know, the truth about the world.

>> Fantastic. Well, I personally, and I'm sure many others, really appreciate your contributions and will be looking forward to seeing how [clears throat] you track developments in the coming months and years. And let's hope we all make it through this as safely and sanely as possible.

>> Look, look, um, if you want to make it through, you will. Okay? A lot of it is pure will. Um, and unfortunately, um, what we've been trained to believe is that we're powerless. We're not. We, we, we, we are capable of our, we are capable of creating our own reality. And so it's really about, um, your desire to be resilient. And a lot of your desire to be resilient is just based on what you think the point of life is. If you think the point of life is to make as much money as possible, well, guess what? You won't survive, uh, the coming crisis. But if you, if you think that, you know, your, the point of your existence is to learn as much as possible, to seek wisdom, to seek enlightenment, to help others do as well as to do as well, well, this coming age of darkness, it's, it's, it's for you, um, a time for you, a time for you to shine.

>> Fantastic. Thank you for that message. I'm sure everyone appreciates it. Thank you very much for your time, Dr. Today, Dr. Young. We'll have to speak to speak again soon in the future.

>> Thank you, Alex.