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Imagine leaving your body, and the next thing you're in Antarctica, seeing things nobody ever talks about. And what a journey! An elemental being shows up and guides you through realms you didn't even know existed. My next guest, Laura, is awesome. She calls this the spiritual highway, a place where focus and belief unlock whole new realities. But what she discovered there may change the way that you see everything. Like always, please subscribe, like, comment, anything, whatever you think. Please express it. Everything helps the channel and helps me do more content like this. Let's jump into it.
Okay, brilliant, Laura. So happy, um, to be speaking to you this morning. Thank you so much for agreeing to come on the show to share your story. I'm super excited to to to speak to you.
Me, too. I'm, uh, I'm excited.
Yeah. Fantastic.
Fantastic. So, I came across you initially, um, when you gave a testimonial on Darius's, um, uh, YouTube channel.
Um, I'd love to just start there. I think the, the line that struck out of me and at me, sorry, and many other people was when you said that out-of-body experiences were the absolute spiritual highway. I think it's a brilliant, it's a great line. I'd love to start with just you talking to us a little bit about what drew you to them in the first place. So, why did you start? Why did you decide to to start to learn?
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, I've had a lot of experience like for 30 years already. So I used to call it trans traveling, and then, you know, dreaming, lucid dreaming. And I have done a ton of lucid dreaming also and all kinds of things. But when I found Darius's channel, he said two things that stuck out to me. One was, out there, it's even more physical than it is here. And then I went, like, what? You know, I mean, I had very, very intense, energetic experiences with a lot of recall. I mean, I can, you know, uh, remember the things, my adventures in in in very small detail with with dialogues, like like dialogues with a lot of beings and stuff, but physicality, no. You see. And then there was another thing, and that really also stood out, and that is that he said that out of the dimensional spaces, which are very personal, of course, there is an absolute truth and an objective truth. And I had come to the conclusion, along with a lot of other new age people, that we're go we're all going to, um, to unite in is oneness. So, like this typical metaphor of the drop in the ocean. Uh, so I thought that actually everything depends on subjective perception and at a certain point, we just go like, woo, and there were like the all, you know, uh, so no objectivity and no individuality after a certain point, you know. And then I thought, I don't take the word, his word, uh, on of nobody. I want to have my own experiences. That that's what I have always done, actually. So I stopped reading books like a long time ago about this kind of stuff, 'cause I want to experience myself. That's the only way for me to to really know to believe it. So I thought, okay, I have to do this method because I want to find out myself. And I did. And it's it's amazing. I'm still like, wow. So, that was that was that was life-changing in itself. So, that's how I started.
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A bit over a year ago.
And yeah, you you on your testimonial, you mentioned that, um, I think it was you started and, uh, it took two months or so for you to have an intentional out-of-body experience.
To be honest, it was, uh, a lot faster.
Okay.
But there was, uh, a few, a few days after, uh, I started practicing. Um, I was already impatient and I was looking up, like everybody is. I I can tell, like, are there shortcuts? Are there ways to do this quicker? So, I fell into, I don't know, one of those other methods. And actually, I got out with that one, like, on the Fortnite or something like that. Um,
Which method did I?
Well, let's not go there. I I don't recommend them, you know. Um, but that that was a very murky experience and I didn't trust it. I thought, what's going on here? Something is off. Something feels off. So we didn't do that anymore and then I stuck with Darius and then it took about like two months.
Okay. And which protocol did you use?
Uh, back then, I think I had the 90 minutes. Yeah. So that would be, it's called protocol one, right? Protocol two wasn't there yet. Yeah. But the way that I have come out out now, uh, almost no, I think something 23 times or something like that with with phys with, but the way that I, I've never yet experienced sleep paralysis, never in my life, and not in these experiences. So what happens is I'm laying laying still there for hours, hours on end, and then at a certain point, switch to my side, that is where I, uh, fall into dream, a dream-like state, and then my body, then my soul body comes out, and then I take the opportunity and then I get out. That's how it went pretty much all the time, almost every. So, but I do want to get there via sleep paralysis as well. So, I'm just practicing, still practicing.
And how long, how long would you say? So, you know, uh, so the first few times that you tried when you first initially tried with protocol one, which for everybody who's listening, it's like you you stay still for 90 minutes basically.
Um, was it 90? Did you manage to achieve it within 90 minutes or was it a lot longer?
Testimonial actually was within, within just the whole thing was within two hours. So the lying still and the getting out and the coming back was all together was two hours. So it's a bit different.
Yeah. Okay. Um, and you also mentioned in your testimonial that you were doing this on a nightly basis. Is that still?
Yeah. Because I, um, after, uh, maybe was it a year or a half year, I was getting like really tired and I lost energy and I thought, you know, it, this could be, although I'm not having an an outer body all the time, but it's could still be kind of frying out effect of the of all the attempts every night. So then I decided to, uh, to cut those down to a few times per week. And that also, there was emotionally.
Okay. I found this on the web for a few times. Check it out.
Oops. What was that? Yeah, I think it's my Siri. What the hell? Sorry. Hold on. Let me. Okay, it's gone.
Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. So I was saying, um, so after after quite some time, I had this idea that, oh my god, this fatigue all the time, maybe it has to do with a frying out effect of of attempting all the time. It could be. So then, so that together with the fact that, uh, I had to digest quite a few things, you know, things that I had accessed, uh, during out of body, um, so I took a break, a little bit, and, uh, well, yeah, yeah, so then I eased down a bit on the on the frequency, but now I'm I'm I'm going to do it every night.
Okay. Okay. And could you tell us, uh, a little bit, a little bit about some of the experiences you went through, some of those early experiences? Um, yeah. What, what sort of, what was the process like? Maybe just walk us through.
Yeah. Yeah. There have been so many interesting, interesting ones. One is one, one is one, one is quite funny, actually. Um, at the time, um, I was living in Barcelona last year, or when was it? And, uh, in an apartment with a lot of neighbors around me. Okay. So, and I had heard, um, uh, my neighbors making out during, uh, you know, for hours, but I can't really tell where they are, which neighbors they are, you see. And then that night, I got out and I went into the to the to the other room and from there, I went into the hallway and I, I was like, I want to get out of this building. Uh, I know I can't fly. No problem. Um, but where shall I go? Because that was in the middle of the apartment block. And I didn't know where those people were that were making out. And I didn't want to end up with them. So I was like, okay, looking at the ceilings, shall I go there? But, but I don't know if they're there. I don't want to see them, you know. So that was really funny. Doubting all this, not having the focus, 'cause that is super important. Darius says it all the time. It it is everything depends on focus. So I didn't have the focus and then I I I I got back. So that was quite funny.
What do you mean by focus? Do you mean in terms of intention of where you're going and, okay, I'm going there?
Yeah. I'm getting out. Yeah. Yeah. It's all, it's really a matter of focus and the belief, you know. I'm I I I have that very clearly now. So maybe I'm going to I'm going to try to OBBE tonight. Mm-hmm. But it's sort of hard for me. It is hard to be in this space of belief of 100% believe I am doing this. And Darius does this by yesterday he explained that again, sometimes laying there for hours on end, you know, I'm not getting up unless I have had the OBBE, you know, but it's, yeah, I can feel it's also an energetic thing, a necessity. You, yeah, the belief is very important, at least for me, it is. Doubt doesn't doesn't bring me anywhere.
And what, um, so those early experiences, I guess from what I've gathered, you navigating your, you know, space, whether it's the flats above you or below you, that kind of thing. At what point did you manage to gain control to go further afield and and what was that like?
Well, that was actually when I was joining this, uh, when I was in in the in the pilot group of, yeah, Darius's pilot group, like a year ago. Um, I wanted to perform. I was very nervous, um, joining this group because I, I couldn't, I couldn't control the OBBE state and I was g like nervous if I could get out at all during that month that we had for this group, you know. So, so when I got out, I was so focused and so determined to to get to the target that we had put ourselves, that I went like a rocket. But, and then I was in in my mom's house, and she had, and on the attic, and she has a garden, beautiful garden, and she has a palm. So I dashed down the stairs and through the kitchen, through the doors, into the garden and I jumped, like, you know, improvising into the pond to use that as a portal, very successfully. And then I ended up in this target place that we had and I got a ton of information. And I know that that was because I had 100% commitment to get as much information back, um, as I could. So, yeah, so that was again, that was the belief, that was a commitment that that got me so far and that got me a lot farther than the other OBBEs that I had had before that.
And what's, um, so that focus is, I guess you take that into the other OBBEs that you have had, right? Or you took that into other things. So really kind of staying laser focused, having an intention. Does that mean having almost like not planned out, but just in your head some steps?
Okay.
Ahead of what you're going to do?
That's why, you know, I mean, I'm doing a lot, I'm working a lot with focus, uh, in my child traveling, in my meditations. I'm also giving, uh, I'm I'm doing healing sessions with people and I have to super focus there, super focus, and I get out a lot of information and all that stuff. I do that in a in a meditative state, but not phys with physicality, you know, uh, so I know about this focus and I know that if I, like, razor sharp focus, and then, but doing these OBBEs, which is different. I mean, I totally agree on that with, uh, Darius. It's different. Uh, to find the focus here is a bit harder for me because, like, where do I, what do I want to know? Well, there are a few personal questions that that are maybe interesting to explore when in dimensional spaces. But I also want to get out of the construct to see, you know, what's true of the things that other people are saying. I also, I'm, I'm interested in see the angels or whatever, you know. So there are a few different things that I would love to explore and then I set the intention, um, before beginning. But then it turns out that I, that I mix it up a bit, that when I get out, out, I get distracted, uh, sometimes by things and then I don't get to this super focus. Like what happened a few times. Actually, that was I was battling with my disbelief. And what I mean by that is I got out, I felt the floor. It was all very physical, you know. I went out my the door of my bedroom to the to the floor of the landing staircase, but still doubting, am I out or am I physical? Because it felt so physical, you know. And then I thought, on top of this, the staircase, I thought, "Oh, I know this trick. If I'm out, I can go with my hand through the staircase, you know, through the the the rail the railing." And I tried and I couldn't. And I went back to body like disappointed. Oh, I didn't, you know, I'm physical. I went back to body. And then just before getting into my body, I real, oh shoot, but I was out. Also, I had gone through the door, which was closed, on my way to the staircase and back again through the door without realizing. So then, you know, but these are all, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm, um, after that, I think, you know, I blew it. But actually, I think this is also, these are these are, uh, um, exercises to to, uh, to to, yeah, to to get used to these this state and to understand what we can do and what we cannot do. Like I had doubted about being able to go with my hand through the railing, and that's probably the reason why I couldn't, although I had just crossed the door, you see. So the manifestation is immediate, and that is, and that is a thing that is, and we have to get used to that because we don't have that in this reality. We don't, we do actually, but we don't realize.
Yeah.
Yeah. So, yeah. So there was one very small one that I want to tell you about because that was also one of the things that Darius says, you can't eat there, you can't drink, you can't touch things. So that was one of my curiosities that I had. So once I went out and, um, and then I saw on my left hand side, I saw countertop stuffed with all kinds of boxes and things, but there was also a slice of bread laying there and I thought, ah, this is my chance. I'm going to taste the bread. So I took the bread and it was all physical. It was a slice of bread. All right. You know, and I stuck it in my mouth and I tasted it and I could taste it even better than here because I could taste that it was not wheat, it was spelt. And I was so excited that that I I slammed back into my body after. I mean, this is silly stuff, you know. I'd rather explore the other realms more and get all these important question, uh, answers to important questions. But I have to, I have to go through these experiences with tasting bread and and finding out, you know, what is that with my belief and disbelief and how do I navigate myself, my my all these little things. So I'm, yeah, I'm spending time on that too.
That's so interesting because I hadn't actually even considered that you're almost learning. It's almost like being a kid again, right? You're learning to navigate these spaces.
Yes.
That is also, you know, like in this testimonial a year ago, I said it's the highway to to spiritual. No, what, what did I say again?
Spiritual. It's the spiritual highway. What was it again?
That's it.
But it is absolute, the absolute spiritual highway, is what you say.
Yeah. But I still agree with that. But now I have learned more things even, you know, to to say, yeah, like like the manifestation, the immediate manifestation. It's not, it's not something, it's not something that we can do just in a split second. No, because we have very random thoughts all the time and emotions, not controlled emotions. To control the emotions, what do you do? You subdue them or you suppress them? No, that's not the way to control your emotions. But gen from generations, we we've been learning that control your emotions. That what you know, what our mother and our grandmother and ancestors always tell, you could, you know, keep your emotions down. But that is not the way to control your emotions at all. We have to sit with it to do that without slamming somebody else in the face, you know, getting it out on somebody else. Um, that is that is a huge lesson. But unless, uh, you are able to totally do that, it's hard to access all these areas. I think I mean, maybe Darius not does not agree with this, but it's hard to navigate all the places. We do have, we do need a certain control over our emotions. Like this first place that I went out, uh, to access other, um, places in in real time, I, I came across some some nefarious things and I needed to control my emotions to not go into overwhelm at that moment, you know. I just had to stay like very calm, neutral, in a neutral state, not like, because I, I, I also did that, like be so emotional, so happy to see something or somebody, and then I would go back to body. That's something that you hear a lot from the other testimonials as well. People seeing a loved one and then they go, "Oh, oh my god." And then they're back. It happens a lot. Actually, I have not seen many testimonials of people that are reporting about having a a decent conversation with somebody because it's so emotional. So, we have to learn these things and then when you're back, you can take your time. You go over the emotions and and all of that. But we have to be able in the moment to to, um, control our thoughts and our emotions. So we have to raise our consciousness a bit above this level of emotions, thoughts, conditionings, all those things. And in and and for that reason, it is the spiritual highway because it it makes it necessary to address those, um, things as well.
Interesting. Do you have any tactics? Is is meditation maybe one of the tools you use to?
Absolutely.
To do that?
Absolutely. I couldn't do without.
Seems like other people do without.
I couldn't. I've been meditating for this year very happily also. I mean, it's it's wonderful. It's one of my favorite things.
Yeah.
So, through this process, what I gathered for you, I'm just going to maybe mirror it back. What I've understood is it's almost like you're stripping away these layers of conditioning and programming that you get from everyday life or you're maybe like, you know.
But fortunately, that is not the only way because we are granted, um, leaps. And I'm so happy to to be able to say that because otherwise you go from your ego, you so, oh my god, how do I strip away all these elements? I remember actually, uh, years ago, I had an experience. I was plant struggling and I had contact with, I think, extraterrestrials or well, they were beings, let's call them beings. Um, they were very high up and I tried to reach them, to go up and open up, and it felt like heavy. And they said, "What do you want?" And I said, "I want to get rid of my ego," because back then, I still thought that was a necessity. I don't anymore. And ego is a very, very important, um, thing, part of us. Um, but, and they said, like, like drilling, they said, "Well, drop it. Good luck with that, you know." And I sort of sort of dropped something heavy, but it was immediately back on again. I mean, so, um, where was it going with this? Yeah. So that was from the thought of we have to do, we have to control ourselves, we have to do all these, we have to make all these things happen, which is the mind telling you that. And at the same time, the mind tells you all the difficulties and impossibilities in that with that concept. So you're what you're doing there is battling with your, with in the mind, you know, and it doesn't bring you anywhere. It it doesn't really, I mean, it makes you familiar maybe with the concept, but if you're just doing your thing, you meditate, you live healthy, you you're you're living healthy, um, you react to the well, what listening to intuition is the most important thing. And your intuition will tell you all the time to this to that, even if it's especially when it's not logical. The intuition are also your guys and friends, your allies from the other talking to you. Whenever you listen, when you listen more to them, they will pop up more. So you you're opening your ears and then the miracles start to to drop like like flower petals, like feathers, like like raindrops. It's so fantastic. This route is so fantastic. It's layered with beautiful miracles. It's synch syn synchronicities. It's so much fun, you know. So listen to your intuition is a great one. And then at a certain point, you will notice, well, for everybody it's different, right? For me, it has been like that that some meditation or some experience, uh, out out of the veil or some, um, something helps you shift and then you go, oh, this issue, this egotistic, egoistic thing, like like irritation that that happened two years ago, there was something, I felt the shift and then from one day to the together, I did not feel irritation anymore. Just not, I didn't feel it. Whichever thing could happen, but I wouldn't feel irritated. It was so, you know, so that was that with a few other things that was really amazing. Um, so there are shifts, but I notice in people that everybody has her own route. It's like some go with big leaps and then it it remains stable for a bit and then another leap and then jing jing jing jing, and then, and somebody else goes like this, you know, it's it's different for for for for everybody. Um, yeah.
Okay. And, um, I remember in your testimonial, you, you talked about, um, wanting to connect with your spirit guide. You kind of touched on a little bit of that,
Um,
In what you've just said. Can you tell us a little bit more? Have you, have you man, did you manage to do it?
Um, it sounds like.
You did.
Out of body girl, physical. I haven't yet. I mean, I, I've seen them and I'm, I'm seeing them all the time and I very, you know, this energetic exchange, it's very strong. The dialogues are very detailed, always. I mean, no problem there, but physically, not. And that is also one thing that I, I decided to put that, I mean, that was my first goal, actually, because I missed him so much. Is specifically one, he's always with me, but at the same time, I miss him so much, you know, and we've always been together. I know that. And I guess this is the reason why I have not been able to meet up with him because I'm just too emotional. So, I can't be neutral about that. The idea of meeting him, you know.
Yeah. And is this, um, is it because you, you, you mentioned you mentioned I think just now, but also offline that you do some healing? Is this, uh, a connection that you have through that, uh, side of things?
Yes. I mean, I couldn't do the healings without them. Okay. Not at all. Without my allies and the allies of the of the client. Yeah. So going to this space and there we meet all of us together, out of the, uh, the planes of emotions and thoughts, conditioning and judgment, that is the most important. So we meet on soul level and then there's this exchange of information and the possibility to also, with the permission of the client, help change things with the allies. I always ask for permission for every step that I take. Yeah. So that's one of the places where I meet, and that's not the only place.
Um, on, so on the, in the sort of, you said 20 or so, 23 or so physical out-of-body experiences that you've had over the last year or so. Have you had any interaction with any entities?
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Could you tell us a little bit about those, the ones that you want to share?
Have to, okay, to think. Well, one was very surprising. Uh, I went to Antarctica and that was a tricky place and, um, um, and there was a, yeah, that was a very, I saw awful things there going on, labs and stuff like that. Things that they have on the ground. And, uh, I was confused about my state about being because I, you know, I'm used to lucid dreaming, to all these other forms, but I was confused, uh, about, can I be seen? I didn't want to be seen, not because I was afraid, because I, I'm not of anything that I encounter there. I know that they can't, can't touch me. But I would, I didn't want to be disturbed in my exploration. I didn't want to be stopped in my exploration. So, so I was confused like, oh my god, how do I have to navigate this? Who is able to see me? Or do they see me and think they are I am one of the soldiers guarding this specific thing because I, you know, so I manifested this, this, um, feature, features as a soldiers because I was in a, you know, I was in a like, okay, now I'm one of the soldiers and I, I travel along with them, you know, and then they will not find out that I'm not, you know, that I'm actually out of body here. So, but I was confused and then a little, I had this helmet on, this soldier helmet, and then a little elemental came to my left side. I've never met him before, but it was an element.
Elementor.
Elemental.
Elemental. Okay.
Yes. And I, I had never met him before, but it was, it was a small creature and it was helping me so much to navigate that space. Do this, do that. Don't get too emotional. Don't get, you know, confused. Don't don't bother even by the target that you have, uh, given yourself. You are here neutrally to get information. Now do this. Now do that. Now, now I will show you this space. And I will show you that place. That was quite impressive. And I, he was a great help, but I've never seen him since. But I mean, he is, he's one of the many. I also in that particular, in that particular, uh, after all the nefarious things, I was like, really shaken up. Um, I, I also met with, um, beings, very tall beings that were all bold and likeish blue, but like transparent in a way, like as if they had lights going on within their physicality, like popping up, like really strange.
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And they helped me in a, in a beautiful way. Actually, I can tell about this because it's a beautiful story. Um, I was breathing in and out to like, whoa, what hap, what just happened in, uh, you know, these places that I had seen and article. And then th this this person invited me over to a shed where there were two more of them. They were sitting at a table with, uh, paper like things on top of the table with lines, vertical and horizontal lines and dots connecting them, like, okay. Um, and I couldn't communicate yet with this being. I didn't know what they wanted. They felt good, but I didn't know what, you know, why he had invited in, invited me over. And he took my hand, my left hand, and he pointed at my wrist, like this. And I, and then, and then to the, the thing on on the table with the writing on it. And I thought, what does he, what does he want? Does he want to give me a tattoo or something like that? I don't, I, I don't want any of that, you know. But then I understood, and the telepathy came in, and then I understood that this was their writing, their way of writing. And he said, you like a very personal place here in the, in the, in the wrist, like you can, you can feel the heartbeat, right? I'm here.
God.
I found this on the.
Sorry, I don't know what happened there. This Siri thing came up again.
Oh, that's so weird.
Yeah, sorry. Say that last bit again. So, he points.
So, he pointed at my wrist and there's a place where you can feel the heartbeat, right? And he said, he pointed at my wrist and pointing at the at this tabletop with the writing on it. And I understood, oh, I have to understand to got to know my own handwriting, my own energy signature, my signature in order to, um, to control the OBBE more, to to navigate those areas more because that had been my my my desire. And he reacted to this deep desire in me and he gave me an an answer to that, like, how do I get there? You get there by knowing your own energy signature. Now, that is a thing that never had my attention much because I am, you know, I'm naturally tuning into other people's energy signatures. I feel them. Um, you know, and always focused on the energy signature of other people, but not on my of my own. So that was super, super useful information. So that was one of the experiences that I, at other beings.
And, um, just, um, obviously share what you, what you're happy to share, but obviously going to Antarctica, big thing. Um,
Did you have preconceptions before? Although you're not completely here, you hear and you see on YouTube also, you, you know, you hear, uh, certain things that you can't know if they're true or not. But I saw a few things there that I had not seen before and that got confirmed during over the year afterwards, because that that experience really changed my, it, it changed my life in the sense of, um, I saw a lot of things, different spaces, labs, um, a pyramid, things that they were that they were guarding, buildings where there was weaponry being developed of a technology so much more advanced than that we can even fantasize. You know, um, so I saw a whole lot of things and it made clear in just in one night, it made clear totally for me that this plane of reality is organized in a very different way than we think. And I had, um, I needed all this year to digest it, to make this shift in my thinking, because now I am seeing all these things around me and now everything makes sense to me. Like, you know, we're saying all the time, how can the government do this? They're so stupid. That's what we say. I don't understand. They, these people have studied, how can they make these decisions, you know? But now it will make sense. It's not stupidity, you know. There's there are things behind this. It's strategy. And I had to digest that emotionally also and mentally, and I'm still doing that and it has been, yeah, it has been quite a ride. I forgot what your initial question was.
No, my my question was more around, um, did you go into obviously visiting Antarctica with certain preconceptions that were completely broken or completely flipped open, basically?
Yeah.
Which I think you answered.
Yeah.
Okay. Um, what else have you visited that you're willing to share or talk about?
Well, there's one thing that I, um, that is, I think, very important. It was not a full-blown OBBE like physical, but it was very, very clear and convincing. Um, when I was preparing myself for the for a session, when I prepare myself, I go up, up, up, you know, to reach this soul level where I can get information without any judgment. And normally I go to a certain space, a healing space that I share, that I invite the client into. But now I thought, oh, let's get out of the construct. Why not? That's a place where I've always wanted to go, you know, and it was so easy. I went through the water, no problem at all, and I was up and the feeling was immediately, instantaneously, totally different, totally different. And the first thing that that stood out was I was so huge, huge, huge.
Okay.
The dimensions were totally different. So I saw the globe. Well, not the globe, the what do you call that? The firmament water. I saw a ball of water to be very accept that I knew that was our construct and I could look into this construct and see everything at the same time. And then imagine, you know, that you're that you're a being and and everything that we know, everything that we know and can fantasize is within this watery bowl. So then you're huge, was within that bowl. There are all the different realms and then on the bottom of it, there is this realm one. So how big are we at all over there down there, you know? So I was huge, that was the first thing. And I was focused on the construct. I was not looking around because I was, I was for some reason, I was very much focused on the construct and on the first realm. So that is where my attention immediately went jing jing all the way down to the first realm, to the victims, like the suffering, no, this immense, immense suffering, the children being tortured, killed and and and and violated. I mean, the things going on in Gaza and the other wars and everything. I mean, it's it's obnoxious. The suffering is incredible here.
Did you, did you feel that emotionally when you?
Right. Yes. But under that layer was where my attention was really gone. And that is a suffering that is going on here, which is even much greater than that. And I'm a bit reluctant to say that because it's a thing that is hard for people to understand and I totally, I totally get that. I mean, I have been like most of us, also a victim of abuse and all these things and traumas and stuff. So I know, I know so well where people suffering come from. Under the suffering of the of the victims, there is the suffering of the beings, the people and the beings that cause that suffering and the wrongdoers, the villains, you know, that the people and the beings that we are so angry with. And I immediately connected with those or I felt them and the compassion that I felt with them was so huge and I understood, I felt so clearly how big their suffering is because they are cut off love totally. There is, so I mean, there is a complete poverty, complete loneliness, complete lack of love and and I also saw like, what are they doing to themselves? Because every snippet of evil doing that they do to other people, they do actually to themselves. And how do you want to get rid of that? How do you want to forgive yourself for that? I mean, the compassion with those was so enormous. Um, and that also caught me back. I mean, it's it's very hard to, when you're out of the construct, I found it very hard to go back because it feels so good and I can't even, I'm not even going to try to describe that because there are no words. The mind doesn't have words to describe that, and all encompassing peace. But, but my purpose is, you know, down here to to do my visual thing, to to help them up, to help them reconnect. So it's a vicious cycle, essentially, right? Of pain.
House of pain is what I understood of the perpetrator.
Down there. Yes. Down there. Yes. Because the perpetrator are very much also the victims. So they're staying in this loop and they have to break out of the out of this circle, like like like all of us.
Yeah.
So that's where the whole reincarnation scam comes in and all this karma and, you know, and I trust that I, we're that we are breaking free of this. We are.
You talked, you talked about it earlier, but you also mentioned this on your testimonial about, um, the need to, um, see objective truth or to get to objective truth. What, what meth, what objective truth would you say that you have been able to to take from your experiences so far?
Well, um, those experiences make, do you make you feel like this is truth. No matter what anybody says, this is truth, you know. Um, and then, um, when it gets confirmed by other people because they have the same experiences or they see, see the same things, that is where you go, oh, okay, it's not only my truth, it's also the truth of other people. And that is the value of this group. There is this group. Yeah. It is. I do, you know, it's a bit tricky because when, when you're looking for confirmation all the time, which I have been doing all this year, you step, you step out of belief, uh, of yourself into, oh, only if it's being confirmed by somebody else, it's true. And that is tricky. I have to stop this. But that being said, it's also, uh, valuable to hear other people say, "Oh, actually, yeah, I, I've been to Antarctica and I saw similar things," or which was, you know, in real time, or I have been out of the construct and I felt the same. When I hear people say, use the same words, the same wording, but I also feel them. Once you have had a certain experiences, uh, on a on a feeling level, then you feel the people. You feel, ah, you were there. You recognize them, sort of. Maybe not always, but, yeah, a lot of the times.
Fantastic. And, and what's next? What's next for you, Laura? Like, what's your goal moving forward with this? You said that you're going to start doing this on a daily basis again?
Yeah.
Have you got specific areas that you would like to to try to get to? What would you like to?
Good question. What I found out in it, uh, being out of the construct, um, um, twice was that I'm still very interested in what's going on within the construct. I'm not yet done with this place, it seems. So, um, other realms would be good. The halls of a mentee.
Yeah. The halls of to get the, not what I, what I really want is to get the, the process down to be able to command night. I'm getting out, you know, getting out basically. And, uh, to have enough commitment to keep it physical or during all the time. So that is basically my, um, objective.
And the halls of AI, you visited managed.
A few times.
Three times.
A few times.
A few times.
Okay. Is there anything you can tell us about the halls of a mentee that, uh, you're willing to share that was was of interest or or different?
The thing that pops up and why not is I was with, um, one of the people of the of the of this work group. He doesn't, he doesn't remember, but, you know, uh, it was a target of the group. So we, I, I went there and I was like, wow, this is my first time in the halls. Uh, some of these beings, and there were a lot of different beings, could be, you know, people from the grove. So, um, and then I recognized some, somebody. I don't know this person in real life, but I, signature-wise, I recognized this person. So we cooked up and we went, and then all together was yet another, so the three of us. And, um, we were walking like a bit, okay, uh, new state of being, new place, what's up here, where shall we go, kind of sort of. And then I thought, I would like to to meet one of the dragons, you know, that I, that I have on my team. And it came, and it was huge. It was, it was huge as a house, and it was so majestic and so impressive. I was so in admiration and awe. And this dragon walked past and just one eye acknowledging me, like, hello, are there, you are, like, and then walking on. And then that this other person that I was with said, "Stop screaming." And I said, "I'm not screaming." "What are you saying?" But I was, my emotions were, can you imagine? I was like, like I couldn't contain myself. I was in so much admiration of these dragon, you know, that I realized that yes, so in the soul kind of existence, I was screaming. So that was funny.
Would you say that's the most, yeah, was that the most surreal entity that you have you've experienced?
No, but nothing is surreal over there.
Okay.
You know, I mean, I've seen a lot of things, but nothing is so real. Everything is completely normal. Although you have, you've not seen it, but before, but when you're there, it's just, I mean, for me, at least it was like, oh, okay, interesting. Oh, beautiful. Oh, my god, like, you know, and then you feel the signature of those beings right away.
What do you mean by signature?
Yeah.
Yeah. Good question. It's the essence. It's this individual essence of every being, and it's beautiful in in each and everyone, and it's, and it's very individual, you know, I mean, yeah, and it's beautiful. It's huge.
Before we wrap up, we're, we've almost, um, done an hour now. Um, I'd love to touch a little bit more about, um, yeah, just, uh, your thoughts on how we share this more. So, we were talking offline just about, you know, our own experiences of sharing with loved ones and, and, you know, people in our extended friends and family, that kind of thing. What's your experience, um, been like and, um, how do we, how do we go about this?
Just share it all. I mean, you know, um, everything is coming out annu. And I think that it will help. I mean, a lot of people who will hear this will maybe go like, God, she really has lost, has lost her mind. Well, then, then they'll say that.
I think a lot of other people who have similar experiences and never dare to speak out will maybe feel, um, supported. And that is also the reason, actually, why I, uh, accept to do this with him. You know.
So, do you think, do you think over the next few years, it will become more, um, palatable, I guess, and accept?
Within, within the next few days, weeks, months, I mean, things are are moving, changing, coming out like so, so rapidly, we can't keep up. And I also hear that from normies, people that have not been willing to to be open to this kind of thing. I hear them say things that I would have never heard heard them say like a couple of years ago. And they also go like, I can't keep up. So many things are happening, coming out, um, being disclosed. Yeah. So we are in a very wild ride and it's not going to be any quieter soon.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess lastly, last question, uh, because I keep, yeah, uh, as you're talking, I, I keep remembering other things as well, like, has, have any of the things that you've seen, you know, whether within your own OBBEs or within the work group, come to pass? Have there been things that you have experienced that you've actually had confirmed in, in the real world over this period of time? There anything?
A lot of things, yeah. Also things that I hear on YouTube, people telling about experiences or things or, you know, um, things by scientists, by a lot of stuff from all over the place.
Yeah. Things that suddenly pop up in my YouTube feed like, oh, okay, there's one, you know.
Well, Laura, look, thank you so much for for coming on the show and for sharing your story, sharing your experiences, and, yeah, just being so generous with that. Um, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you and I'm sure everybody else will also get, you know, just the, just, yeah, the ferocity with which, uh, of of some of the things that you're experiencing and just the, yeah, the objectivity, just that the essence comes through. So, yeah, I'm really, really happy to to share this space with you and, yeah, thank you again.