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Today I'm going to tell you the most amazing story you've ever heard about the most important person you've probably never heard of. Today we're going to talk about Robert Monroe's best friend and confidant, Mr. Agnu Bonsson.
Now Agnu Bonsson was not just some random person. He was at the forefront of the 1950s anti-gravity movement. The biggest names in physics worked directly with him and under him, including Oppenheimer, John Archabald Wheeler, and the notorious T. Townsen Brown.
So, who was this man and how does he fit into our exploration of Robert Monroe? Well, on Robert Monroe's very first out-of-body exploration experience, he went to Agnes Bonsson's house. He was very close with Agnu Bonson and his entire family. On top of that, Agnu Bonson spent most of his adult professional career trying to crack anti-gravity, trying to escape from the restraints and the pull of Earth's gravitational field so that we can be free. And he was never quite able to crack this code until the day he died. He died a tragic death in an airplane accident. And the very first thing that he did was visit Robert Monroe and deliver a life-changing message, that he had finally solved anti-gravity, and that Robert Monroe had the ability to demonstrate it to the world. Robert admitted this and also admitted that he did not have the courage at that point to do this task.
But Robert with his amazing out-of-body astral travel abilities went and visited Agnu Bonsson in the afterlife. And as we've discussed before, in the afterlife, especially at the very beginning, you have these self-created virtual bubble worlds that you spend your time in as you adjust to the transition. Agnes was amazing hanger type laboratory where he had a rigging and a platform and he was working on some sort of a craft or device that he couldn't quite explain to Robert but he was incredibly excited and Robert sensed this excitement and let him go back to his his project. When Robert came to visit him later the rigging and the platform were there but Agnu was gone.
Something even more extraordinary happened at Agnu Bonson's funeral. Robert Monroe was there next to Agnu's wife. And as they were loading the casket into the ground, the exact same airplane that Agnu Bonsson flew, a very particular craft called a Twin Beach made was called a power pass and came real low and buzzed to the funeral as the casket was going into the ground. This brought everyone to tears because they knew the symbology of this craft and the timing just couldn't be explained. Agnu's wife fell to the ground in tears sobbing. And after the funeral, most of his friends, including Robert Monroe, were pilots. They went to the local airports to try to figure out who was flying this Twin Beach. And they couldn't find any airports that had a takeoff of a Twin Beach. They went 150 mi in every direction. Could not find the origin of this plane. And it led them to the conclusion that Agnu had the ability in what we call local 2, the non-physical spirit world to create physical manifestations in this world. And that's what we're going to talk about today. Not just anti-gravity, but what anti-gravity means. The escape velocity, the thing that Robert Monroe had been searching his whole life for and his afterlife for and taught us the formula for escape velocity. Aguy Bonson seemed to have been chasing that same thing but from a different direction. And there's a twist in this story that links these two people, Agnu Bonson and Robert Monroe, in an eternal partnership because we find out that Agnu Bonson is the legendary BB from Robert Monroe's trilogy of books. BB is Robert Monroe's longtime astral friend. They were together on KT95 before their first human Sojourn. And BB becomes Robert's spirit guide as Robert is exploring and mapping out the local 2 locations and dimensions and trying to assemble his consciousness, all the pieces of his eye there so he can become whole and achieve this escape velocity. BB is the one who was teaching him and showing him how to do this. BB we find out is Agnu Bonsson.
Agnu Bonsson was at the center of the 1950s anti-gravity research movement. Worked alongside Oppenheimer and Wheeler and TS and Brown. Gave TS and Brown a private laboratory to do his work in. I didn't know this and most people don't that was born in Agnu Bonson's laboratory. The same laboratory that at the same time T. Towns and Brown was working out of and at the end of that year where they worked together in the private laboratory T. Towns and Brown according to his own family went underground into intelligence agencies disappeared for 9 years from the public life and right at that point Agnu Bonson wrote one of the most legendary and hard to find UFO books in history called the stars are too high a book about how human consciousness has not caught up with our technological development and that discrepancy there is the reason we haven't cracked anti-gravity and in that book, the three main characters, that book is about three people. And the more I researched it and the more I researched this entire topic, it's blatantly obvious that the three characters in that book are Agnu Bonsson, Tonsen Brown, and Robert Monroe. The industrial investor that brings everyone together, that is Agnu Bonson. the genius scientist, mad scientist that is T. Towns and Brown and the capable pilot that needed to fly this craft using unconventional methods. That's Mr. Robert Monroe. This story will blow your mind. Let's dive in.
Hello friends, and welcome to Conscious Observers with Jordan Crowder. Hello friends. Welcome to another exciting episode of Conscious Observers. All right, this one's wild. Obviously, we've been doing these book reports for a very long time. Uh I appreciate everyone who has been with me from the beginning. So, you know, you know, my loyal listeners know that these are not typical traditional stories. Some of them are a little hard to believe, but when you really look into the pedigree of Robert Monroe, the Monroe Institute, everything that they've been about for the last 60 plus years, you understand that just because these things sound fantastical, doesn't mean they're not real.
And this story is pulling together so many different threads. And it is going to change the way that you look at life, at reality, at science, at physics, at our world and how our world intercepts the other worlds. And we're going to use some metaphors like fish in the ocean versus birds in the sky. Two different life forms and two different mediums that sometimes can dip into each other's worlds temporarily and no doubt leave the other one quite puzzled as to what happened. And I really think that what we call UFO and UFP actually originate in what Robert Monroe calls local 2. And that they can sometimes cross the veil, cross this boundary into our environment, but they can't last long. And the same way we can dip into their environment, but not last too long. So we're not really made for that environment. We're going to get into that. We're going to get into the difference between spiritual gravity and physical gravity because Agnu Bonson was chasing physical gravity while Robert Monroe was discovering spiritual gravity and how maybe we're not meant to physically leave this what I call the simulator. We're supposed to spiritually ascend. that there's a reason why every time somebody gets really close to cracking anti-gravity, they disappear or worse. I don't think we're supposed to physically leave. I think we are supposed to spiritually achieve escape velocity. We're going to go into that and so much more today. So, buckle up, guys. But we're going to start like we often do with an excerpt from the book because let's get it from the man's, you know, words. Don't take my word for any of this, okay? I'm just putting the pieces together. Let's get it from Mr. Robert Monroe's point of view. He did us a favor and he wrote three of the most amazing books that you'll ever read. They're challenging books. The reason I do these book reports is because I've read these books each. There's three of them and they're they're dense. I've read each of them over five times, probably 10, honestly. And every time I have a new revelation, every time something hits me different and I put a new piece together. In this story with Agnu Bonson and T Towns and Brown and this book, the stars are too high in the discovery. I just discovered that BB is Agnu Bonson. It it changed the way I looked at everything. So I reread through the books without understanding and everything was different. So I'm going to take you to a chapter in Journeys Out of the Body called On the Evidence. And this is right after Robert Monroe. I I'm gonna I'm gonna read an excerpt. These are short excerpts, but every time that he um is interacting directly with Agnu Bonsson, and it's it's it's wild, guys. So, this is at the very beginning. So, the chapter before this is when Robert was just starting to harness his out-of-body experiences and and abilities, and he was able to leave his body at will and direct his his astral body, what he calls his second body, in this this out-of-body state. So, at first, he kind of hung around locally in his house, you know, going room to room and seeing how he could stretch through walls and and floors and and, you know, kind of do these repeatable experiments to prove that he was doing this. This wasn't a dream. And then he started venturing out. And this is when he first ventured out. So where's the first place he goes? Let's see. Okay. This is in 1959. In a motel in Winston Salem. I woke up early and went out to have breakfast at 7:30. Then returned to my room about 8:30 and lay down. As I relaxed, the vibrations came and then an impression of movement. Shortly thereafter, I stopped and the first thing I saw was a boy walking along and tossing a baseball in the air and catching it. A quick shift and I saw a man trying to put something in the back seat of a car, a large sedan. The thing was an awkward-l looking device that I interpreted to be a small car with wheels and electric motor. The man twisted and turned the device and finally got in the backseat of the car and slammed the door. Another quick shift and I was standing beside a table. There were people sitting around the table and dishes covered it. One person was dealing what looked like large white playing cards around the others of the table. I thought it strange to play cards at a table so covered with dishes and wondered about the overlarge size and whiteness of the cards. Another quick shift and I was over city streets about 500 ft high looking for home. Then I spotted the radio tower and remembered that the motel was close to the tower and almost instantly I was back in my body. I sat up, looked around, everything seemed normal.
All right, let's investigate. The same evening, I visited some friends, Mr. and Mrs. Agnu Bonson, at their home. They were partially aware of my activities, and on a sudden hunch, I knew the morning event had to do with them. Asked about their son, and they called him into the room and asked what he was doing between 8:30 and 9 that morning. He said he was going to school. When asked more specifically what he was doing as he went, he said he was tossing his baseball in the air and catching it. Robert says here side note that although I knew him well I had no knowledge that the boy was interested in baseball. Next I decided to speak about the loading of the car. Mr. Bonson was astounded exactly at that time. He told me he was loading a vanigraph generator into the backseat of his car. The generator was a large awkward device with wheels, an electric motor and a platform. He showed me the device. It was eerie to see physically something you had observed only from the second body. Next, I told about the table and the large white cards. His wife was excited at this one. It seems that for the first time in 2 years, because they all had arisen late, she had brought the morning mail to the breakfast table and had passed out the letters to them as she sorted the mail. Large white playing cards. They were very excited over the event, and I am sure they were not humoring me.
Okay, so this is the very first time that Robert had ventured out of his local environment to kind of in an out-of-body state go and visit someone or you know see something and and he went to Agnu Bonson's house and the really interesting thing is this vandagramraft generator that he saw him loading into the car is is not a typical device. This is not something just anybody would have but of course Agnu Bonsson is not just anybody. So then who was Agnu Bonsson? So Agny Bonson was Robert Monroe's best friend and confidant. They flew airplanes together. They they had deep conversations together. They were friends for many years. So Agny Bonson was a very wealthy industrialist. This is back in the 1950s. His family had basically he had inherited his family's refrigeration company, a very big company. So he had a lot of money. He was a very wealthy benefactor and he was obsessed. Every time Robert Monroe talks about him in these books, he talks about how he's obsessed with gravity and he had the money. So this is what's really cool about Agnu Bonson is he wasn't himself necessarily. He was an inventor and he was incredibly smart, but he wasn't himself a actual scientist or physicist, but he had a lot of money and he was very passionate. So he assembled this dream team of of physicists. And back then, this is when general relativity, Einstein's theory was was getting kind of like its resurgence. And you had some really big names in in that group. And they were trying to figure out this unified theory of physics. They were trying to figure out quantum gravity because all the other forces we were able to manipulate and harness and explain, you know, except for gravity. Gravity didn't make any sense and it still doesn't. And that's why the smartest minds have always been drawn to gravity. But then string theory came along and kind of sucked all them down this black hole and and we wasted the last you know 50 60 years on that and and I think that was a a a diversion a tactic from the system because like I said at the beginning I don't really know if we're supposed to crack this code. Gravity is something that I think that we'll figure out once our consciousness level gets to a certain point. It's not going to be something we crack with science and math. There's something very mysterious about gravity and that's why the smartest minds are drawn to that topic because it's a puzzle and and they love puzzles, right? That's they want to explain everything with math and physics and you know physics is is the explanation of this physical world. It's it's how this physical world operates. Well, gravity governs everything we do. You know, it's how I'm sitting in this chair and not floating off. It's it's basically how everything is made with this fundamental understanding of gravity and that it's pervasive and it's everywhere. But we don't know what it is. We don't know why it's weak. We also don't know where it comes from, where it originates from. We don't know how to really explain it. We just can explain its its effect, but we can't explain its source. And that um annoyed these folks back then. It really annoyed Bonsson. Bonsson wanted to figure it out. He was convinced that we were going to crack anti-gravity or crack the manipulation of gravity and it was going to He was a pilot and he thought it was going to create powerless planes and and free energy and and all these amazing things. and he was convinced and he had the money, he had the resources to do something about it. So he did. So Agy Bonsson created the Institute of Field Physics and attracted um the biggest names. You know, we're talking about Oppenheimer and Dwit and and Wheeler and the biggest physicists in the world to what he thought they were going to all get together, this this dream team, and he was going to fund everything, give them the laboratories and all that kind of stuff, and they were going to crack anti-gravity. Wheeler wrote this very and and John Archbald Wheeler is one of my favorite physicists. He's the one who coined the term it from bit. Um he was kind of like Tom Campbell and Donald Hoffen before them you know because he he really believed that everything was kind of malleable and digital at its fundamental core at the quantum core. And you know that's why he would describe our reality as a participatory universe that each person was sort of rendering their own reality at at one time and then that kind of collectively kind of like a massive multiplayer online RPG type of a game. And I I I really resonate with a lot of what John Baldwheeler talks about. But here's the the dilemma that these people find themselves in. When you are a a big scientist, physicist, you know, you you kind of have to walk this tight rope between pushing the envelope and believing these sort of more magical unseen forces and also being a little bit of a materialist and a little bit of just participating in this indoctrination system of of math and science that we have in this world. And if you if you're a little too rambunctious or make too many waves, then you can be ostracized from that community. So they they walked this tightroppe and John Archbald Wheeler actually wrote a letter to Agnu Bonson telling him that they needed to distance themselves from anti-gravity that that was kind of like a toxic word and that if they wanted to be taken seriously and attract the the biggest talents and get grants and all that kind of stuff then then they can't have that be. So they actually formulated this kind of mission statement specifically and explicitly saying we're not researching anti-gravity. But they kind of were. they just couldn't publicly say that. So, they changed the name and did some stuff. But this really annoyed Agnu Bonson because all he really cared about like he didn't really want to play these games. He's like, "I'm rich, right? Like, I'm rich. I can do whatever I want, but I'm also in this world, the scientific world, and I'm surrounded by these physicists and I want to be taken seriously and be credible."
Here's where it gets really interesting. This is where TS and Brown comes in because so he created the Institute of Field Physics, and it had all these big names. But then when T- Towns and Brown came um back from France, he was in France on this big project. When he came back, Bonsson teamed up with him and Bonsson, Agnu Bonson, Robert Monroe's best friend and confidant, Agnu Bonson, gave T- Towns and Brown, I believe they even called it the Bonsson Laboratory. I think they gave it a fancier name after that, but gave Tons and Brown his own lab and said, "Have fun. Crack anti-gravity. Let's change the world." He thought that this was going to really really be like the year where the world changed and he went all in and Tonsen Brown went all in and they conducted all sorts of experiments. There's all this like new found you know archival footage and everything from that time and they kept you know a lot of notes and journals and it was it went on for about a year and it was an extraordinary partnership. They worked sidebyside with each other. They brought in some of the biggest names in physics to kind of review and and they would demonstrate their experiments um trying to crack anti-gravity. And they it's funny because their their experiments a lot of times use these like two um discshaped plates that would counter rotate and do different things. And it looks like a UFO. I mean most of their experiments look like UFOs. And it's funny because like they were kind of creating baby UFOs. All right. And or like flying saucers more specifically. So, you know, this went on for um there was all sorts of kind of mysterious characters that kind of popped in and out of this world like, you know, Jay Frank King Jr. and and people like that, but I want to focus on on the big players here because a lot of those people were kind of mysterious. Um all this is very mysterious. So, it really is kind of difficult getting information because so much of it is kind of withheld and and this was also very long time ago. You know, you're talking about right now we're in 1958. So in 1958 they are working together. So you have T- Towns and Brown, you have Agnu Bonson and on the side Agny Bonsson is is really good friends with Robert Monroe and Robert Monroe is is deep into all of his, you know, astral travels out of body experiences and mapping out all the dimensions and doing all the fun stuff he was doing.
And another exciting intersection of Robert Monroe and Agnu Bonsson. Let me read this excerpt here. Is the heavy acoustic shielding infrastructure of Bonsson's facilities to study how specific auditory frequencies interact with the human brain. This is the birth of Hemisync. Using these labs, Monroe pioneered the use of binaural beats to induce altered states. By playing slightly different frequencies in each ear, he discovered he could alter brain wave patterns. This led to the gateway project. This research formed the foundational audio technology behind the Monroe Institute and its highly famous and patented hemisync which stands for hemispheric synchronization which led to the famous legendary worldchanging gateway experience tapes which used to map states of expanded consciousness using rigorous laboratorybacked methods. Now I didn't know this and most people don't that he was born in Agnu Bonson's laboratory the same laboratory that at the same time T Townsen Brown was working out of and as we'll find out later when Agnu Bonson came to Robert Monroe the second that Agnu died and he said that he finally finally figured out anti-gravity finally cracked the code he didn't crack it in his physical body he cracked it in his second body in the non-physical state. And he told Robert Monroe that Robert Monroe had the key to demonstrating anti-gravity. What would that key be? I think that missing piece, remember all these guys were trying to unite and come up with the unified theory of physics that described and explained what gravity was and how we could actually manipulate it the same way we could man manipulate all the other forces. And that there was this missing piece, this missing element. And I think that these three people being in the same lab, working in the same lab, you had Robert Monroe, T. Towns and Brown, and Agnu Bonson working in the same laboratory on three different things in that Robert Monroe's piece, the Hemisync, the sound, the altered states of consciousness, the being able to go from the physical to the non-physical. That that is the biggest piece of the puzzle. That is the missing piece of the unified theory of physics. That is how we are able to demonstrate anti-gravity. We'll find out more about that later.
Okay, let's focus on Agnu for a minute. So in this time period 1958, Agnu Bonsson, Tons and Brown are working side by side on anti-gravity in their own laboratory and they're keeping meticulous notes. You know, Tons and Brown has a journal where he always has these journal entries and then all of a sudden at the end of that year, he he makes his last journal entry and the laboratory shuts down. Okay, a year into this and and everything seemed to be going good, like successful, right? So, you're like, okay, well, why would he stop doing his journal entries and why would this laboratory shut down and why would then T Towns and Brown basically disappear from the public life for nine years? someone who was very public, you know, he was he was on a mission. He he wanted to demonstrate this to the world. He he didn't want to keep it for himself. He was trying to to break this this deadlock, this like what is gravity? How can we manipulate it? And how can we harness it? And at the end of that year, and this is according to Ttowns and Brown's family, but they said that he was basically being contacted by these intelligence, you know, agencies and the intelligence community, and it would make sense for him to have kind of gone underground or a black project or something like that around that time. So, at the end of the year of them working together, laboratory shuts down, teons and brown goes dark. And then what does Agnu Bonson do at this point? Well, Agny Bonson, who is a very wealthy uh benefactor um surrounded by all these amazing physicists and scientists, has his own laboratory, has you know his own institute and is doing all these amazing things, decides to write a science fiction novel. Makes sense, right? Well, you know that they always say that like so much of of our facts and these these breadcrumbs are are sort of hidden or buried in these fictional tales because you have to get the word out somewhere and somehow and the best way to not hurt your credibility and to not make grandiose claims that can come back to haunt you is to disguise it as fiction. So many people do this. So he wrote a book called The Stars Are Too High. I read this entire book. You can't buy it. It's incredibly hard to even find a secondhand copy, but um it's on internet archive and I read the entire thing. It's it's a good book, but you have to read it for what it is. He is telling a story. He's telling a real story and disguising it as science fiction. The the title, the stars are too high. I mean, it's such a profound title. It makes you start asking questions like, "What do you mean too high for what? What do you meant by that? The stars are incredibly high. The distances in the cosmos are incredibly vast. And it's a it's a problem that we're supposed to solve. And we can only solve it when we get to a certain point of consciousness development, not technological development. The whole book is a philosophical work on UFOs and society. In this book, there are three main people. Three main people. there is the the visionary, you know, um and he's that is Agnu Bonson's character. He's the rich guy. He's the benefactor. And then you have the inventor. You have this kind of like mad scientist guy. And that's obviously T- Towns and Brown. I mean, it's when you read the book and you you do the deep dive like I've done, it's it's very clear who these people are. And then you have the operator, the pilot, who had to use unconventional, you know, ways and means to pilot this UFO that they created. They created a craft where in the Nevada desert of course and the point of creating this craft is this is back kind of the cold war days and they they knew that if if so the scientist had cracked anti-gravity and he knew that if America got this technology this knowhow they would create a weapon and destroy the world and and you know also he knew if Russia got this technology um and this information they would destroy the world. So what was the key? How could they utilize this information, this breakthrough in physics, cracking the code of anti-gravity? How could they utilize it in a way that brought the world together as opposed to destroy it? So, they decided to create this UFO and to fly it around the world so the radars and militaries and everybody could see it, the people could see it, the militaries could see it. More importantly, the militaries could see it. You know, more importantly, Russia, America could see it. and then convince everybody that it was alien craft. It wasn't from this world. Because humans typically unite when they are confronted with some sort of external threat just like Ronald Reagan's, you know, famous UN speech. That's what this book was about. That Ronald Reagan speech was almost 30 years after this book was written. So they would fly this craft around. It was called the Argonaut. and they dropped leaflets all over the world and stuff like that to convince people that this was an alien type thing. And the whole point was to unite Russia and America to fight or to come together to try to figure out how to you know handle this external threat. And that kind of backfired in the book and you know then you know they kind of start to figure out that it these three people in the desert that did this and then the militaries and the intelligence agencies are kind of collapsing on them and they have to basically fire the Argonaut. They barely you know make it out and it makes it into space and it's completely in space and then it basically shows the world that this technology exists and that it can be used for people purp peaceful purposes and and all this kind of stuff. So, this book is a very philosophical take on anti-gravity and UFOs because what this book is telling us is that a the UFO is man-made. It's it's terrestrial in origin. It's made by humans and that the the breakthrough in physics and the breakthrough in science that it took to create it could be weaponized in a way that would make like our atomic weapons and our nuclear weapons seem like BB guns. Like that was the fear is that that this is so because we already had thermonuclear devices and that kind of stuff back then but we didn't have anything like this. And what he basically talks about in this book is that this is such a immense and powerful responsibility and information that it can't it just can't be put in the hands of of hammers. Hammers see everything as a nail and they theyaponize everything. That's what our militaries and the whole military industrial complex does is they weaponize everything. And he knew that this could not get in their hands. So, but he knew that eventually it would. So the whole thing is this this UFO project was to get it out there in a way to convince people not to weaponize this that it can be used to bring the world together. Now that's super interesting. It's a it's a good book and it's a great story. But to come from Agnu Bonson, this when you know his his story and his history and and what his passions were, you know, this story is very telling because as we go further into this, you're going to see that, you know, his journey started like all of ours, way before this one human incarnation. This is just a current character that he's playing. But you see that what he's trying to do is is crack anti-gravity. Not necessarily just to make more efficient airplanes and stuff like that. But because it represents freedom, it represents freedom. Earth has this immense gravitational pull. That's why we can't leave Earth easily. We have to create these big rockets with a whole lot of fuel and we have to go through all this stuff to try to just get out of the the pool. Get into like that low Earth orbit is very very hard, very expensive. is what all these companies NASA and SpaceX and and everybody's been doing for decades is just trying to get out of the gravitational pool of Earth. But then once you get out there, then what you know, and that's kind of what this whole I mean, talk about the ultimate journey is what do you do when you do have escape velocity, when you have freedom, when you have been able to somehow get past that gravitational pull, what do you do then? And that's what this is all about. So when you look into these three men, these three unlikely guys coming together and forming this partnership, um, Robert Monroe from his background, you know, and basically in consciousness exploration through things like sound, um, he spent most of his time in the astral, in the second body, in the non-physical state. You have T Towns and Brown, incredible scientist who was trying to master time travel and, you know, quantum or anti-gravity. And then you had, you know, Agnu Bonson who was this incredibly wealthy person who wanted to bring people together and and form these super teams to accomplish this. And in this book, he had the ability to do that sort of virtually through this book. And the three people he put together, the visionary, the inventor, and the operator definitely seem to be Agnu Bonson, T Townsen Brown, and Robert Monroe.
So then things take a tragic turn as they often do especially when you are pursuing this particular thread. Um Agnu Bonson dies in a plane crash and it's very tragic. Um, Robert Minro talks about it later that, you know, essentially he had always taken off and landed from particular types of runways and particular types of airports in North Carolina and that area and then he went to Ohio and it he clipped a power line and essentially crashed and burned in this field and it was a traumatic death and it was a traumatic, you know, obviously experience, but something miraculous happened. I mean, miraculous. I'm not just throwing that word around. Miraculous. So, let's go to another chapter. Robert doesn't know that this accident had happened. And I'll just read from the book here. This is in the chapter postmortem on page 111, of course. And Robert says, "On a business trip to New York in 1964, I found myself in my hotel room with an hour to spare in the afternoon. I decided to take a nap. I lay down on the bed and had just started to drop off to sleep when I heard Mr. Bonson's voice. There is a way to prove anti-gravity. The voice says Agny Bonson's voice comes in and he says, "There is a way to prove anti-gravity. All you have to do is to demonstrate it yourself and you, Robert, have been trained to do it." What the message he delivers is there is a way to prove anti-gravity. Remember this is happening simultaneously with his death. He spent his entire adult professional career trying to crack anti-gravity in it. The aha moment came when he died, when he was no longer in this physical reality. Remember what I said at the beginning? I don't think we're supposed to physically crack anti-gravity because I don't think gravity is what we think it is. But he goes on, I sat up fully awake. I knew what the voice was referring to, but I hadn't had the courage to try it.
Let's stop there. So, this voice comes in and and Robert is traveling. He's in a New York hotel room, and he gets this urge to take a nap. And this happens a lot of times, especially with him. And you hear this with a lot of other people that do similar things is that they'll get tired all of a sudden and in in a time when they shouldn't really be tired, you know, middle of the day or you're doing something and all of a sudden you get this overwhelming urge to take a nap and then you're able to drift off usually pretty quick and then a message comes in or an encounter, a visit, something happens and you get this impression that it's being orchestrated like you need to be in this sleep state to have this experience. So somehow your body is put to sleep. So, Agnu, of course, says, "There is a way to prove anti-gravity. All you have to do is to demonstrate it yourself. And you, Robert, have been trained to do it. I sat up fully awake. I knew what the voice was referring to, but I hadn't had the courage to try it." That means Robert knew what Aggony was talking about, which means there was some sort of pretext here. That means that they they had talked about this before and that this was knowledge that Robert had that yes, I mean, Robert has said multiple times that every time he talked to Agnu, it was about anti-gravity. Agnu was obsessed with anti-gravity and gravity. So, Robert knew what he was referring to. Knew that Robert had the key to demonstrating anti-gravity, not to creating it, not to creating a craft or not to, you know, creating the mathematics or the formula, but to demonstrate. Now, that's very important. That'll come back later. Demonstrate that Robert with his abilities had the ability to demonstrate anti-gravity.
But why did Mr. Bonson's voice sound so real in this dream? I looked at the clock by the bed and it was just about 3:15. I was too wide awake now to sleep, so I got up and went out. When I returned home 2 days later, my wife was very quiet. I asked her what was wrong. "We didn't want to upset you with all you had to do in New York," she said. "But Agny Bonson is dead." This is Robert's best friend. He was killed trying to land his airplane in a small field out in Ohio. I remembered Mr. Bonson's voice in New York. I asked her if he had been killed two days ago at about 3:15 in the afternoon. My wife looked at me a long time before she said yes. That's when it happened. She didn't ask how I knew. She was past that a long time ago. I didn't make any attempt to go to Mr. Bonson for several months. I presumed without any known reason that he needed rest. It had something to do with a violent death. Finally, I grew impatient. On Sunday afternoon, I lay down with deliberate intent of going to visit Mr. Bonson. After about an hour of preparation, I finally made it out of the physical and began to travel rapidly through what seemed to be nothing but darkness. I was mentally shouting, "Agnu Bonsson, Agnu Bonsson again and again as I traveled. Suddenly, I stopped or was stopped. I was in a rather dark room. Someone was holding me very still in a standing position. After a moment of waiting, a cloud of white gas seemed to blow up through a small hole in the floor. The cloud took form and some sense told me it was Mr. Bonson. Although I could not see him too well or identify his features, he spoke immediately in an excited and happy way. Bob, you'll never believe all the things that have happened since I've been here. There was no more. At a signal from someone, the cloud of white gas lost his human form and seemed to recede back into the hole in the floor. The hands on my elbows steered me away, and I took off back to the physical. That is the way Mr. Bonson would have been, too interested in new things and new experiences to waste time in the then or the past.
So here is Agnu vonson famous legendary benefactor you know inventor anti-gravity researcher bringer together of the biggest names in in physics um dies in a plane crash unfortunately and immediately Robert Monroe at the exact same time feels the urge to go to sleep takes a nap and then Mr. Bonson comes to him and says, "I figured out anti-gravity. I figured out anti-gravity." The second he dies, he didn't figure it out in his physical form. He figured out when he died and he came and told Robert Monroe because he had a message to deliver that Robert Monroe had the ability to demonstrate anti-gravity. Now, what would make Robert Monroe uniquely suited to be the person to demonstrate anti-gravity? Well, if you follow me, if you've read his books, you know what that ability is? It's consciousness. It's the ability to alter your state of consciousness and affect things in local 2. So, what do I mean by that? How can something in local 2 have any sort of an impact in local 1? Well, Robert has showed us this. This is what we learn at the Monroe Institute. This is what gateway teaches you is that you can go into your second body and affect your first body. You can go into local 2 and do things that affect localal 1. These are two different environments. Kind of like the sea and the air are two different environments, but they do interact. There's this boundary line that separates our ocean from our sky. But some fish can jump out and be in the air before they come back in. There's even some flying fish that can even keep their flight for a little bit before they have to return to their medium. We would call this transmedium. And there are some birds that I watch it all the time. I go down to the beach and I watch these birds, these pelicans, these seagulls, and they they fly around. They loop around and then they dash down into the water and they scoop up these fish. That's transmedium, but they don't last long. They go under the water, they do their thing, they come out. Well, to that fish, they're like, "What was that?" All right. It's it's a it's a totally different It's like if you had an airplane and you crashed it into the sea and there was some sort of an intelligent species in the sea and they found that aircraft and they tried to reverse engineer it. Well, what good would it do? You couldn't reverse engineer that underwater because the propulsion, the air intakes, none of that stuff, the electronics, none of it is made for that environment. So, even though you have this seemingly exotic advanced craft, right, it doesn't mean anything. You can't utilize it because it was made in a different environment. it just passed over the boundary. It crossed that veil and and you find it and you're just perplexed. I mean, maybe you can figure out a few little, you know, tidbits of of new information from it, but you're not going to be able to to actively properly, you know, turn it on, fly it, utilize it because it's out of its environment.
Okay, now having said that when we look at our environment this physical environment that we are in local one it is very physical very physical see this desk is here it's holding my cup of coffee thank you very much desk it is physical but what is it made of well we used to think that obviously atoms make up everything we used to think that atoms were made of these various little BB's or billiard balls. These like these physical things, you know, you had your nucleus and you had your electron, you know, orbiting around it. Kind of like how planets orbit the sun in the solar system, we used to think that that's why everything was so physical because it's made of these physical little bits of matter. But then with our, you know, better instrumentation, now we know cuttingedge quantum physics pretty much has agreed on the fact that electrons aren't a thing. They're a probability cloud. They exist in a superp position. They're kind of everywhere and nowhere at once until they need to be somewhere until they're measured or observed in some way. So that means that all of our physical matter is actually quantum by nature. That means if it's quantum by nature, it can change and morph. It It's It's not like a definite state. It's kind of like if you have an ice cube, if you have water, water can be ice. It can be gas. It's still water. It's just three different forms. But those are three completely different forms. Gas is totally different than an ice cube. And running water is totally different than ice cube and gas. They behave different. They feel different. They act different. They are different, but they're made of the same thing fundamentally. So our local one, our physical reality can possibly be in a way reprogrammed or programmable or new, you know, almost like holographic projections and elements can be added into it temporarily. Kind of like hacking the system a little bit.
Now, let's prove this. Let me show you. I can say things like that that sound cool, but let me actually show you something. Let's hear it from the man. Let's hear it from Mr. Robert Monroe because something absolutely extraordinary happened at the funeral of Agnu Bonson. Okay. So when Robert Monroe went to visit Agnu Bonsson in Local 2 on the other side, spirit world, astral world, non-physical, whatever you want to call it, he found Agnu in this hanger type of a environment like a uh kind of a big laboratory hanger where he had this big platform in rigging and he was working on some sort of a crafter device that he tried to explain to Robert, but it just didn't really make any sense to Robert Monroe and he was very excited. Agnu was and like a kind of a kid in a candy store cuz now he's in this other realm where he has more abilities and resources and where things, you know, things in local 2 are way different than they are in local 1. It's very much like the dream state. So Agnu was incredibly excited, right? He's he's like, "Yay, look at all the things that I can do." And he even told him, he's like, "You'll have no idea how many things have happened since I've been here." So he's making something. He has this rigging and a platform. is creating some sort of a device or a craft more than likely, you know, continuing his earthly pursuits because that part of LoCal 2 is where you go, you know, we learn that when you
pass over. When you die physically and you transition into the non-physical, that you have this sort of temporary time where you create this personal environment, personal space that you create that makes you feel good. It it allows you to sort of rest and to recover after the big transition, especially if you have a traumatic transition. And everyone's is different, you know, and Robert visits a whole bunch of them and you see how they are these constructs, these individual constructs created by the individual and they're all different.
So Agnes was him in this hanger and he's making this craft or this device. He's excited about it. He's telling Robert Monroe all about it and Robert's like, "Yeah, I don't really I don't really know what you're talking about. Um, but it's cool. I'm excited that you're excited, right?" That's his friend. He's just happy that he's happy.
But the point is, what if he created a craft and that craft is created in the non-physical, right? Created in local 2, but can somehow cross over to local one, just the same way a bird can dive into the water and a fish can jump out into the sky temporarily. And he told Robert Monroe that you have this unique ability to actually demonstrate anti-gravity because these crafts would obviously break our rules of physics. They wouldn't operate the way that we think they would. Just like if a bird flies into the ocean, you know, we we know how fish operate. We know how things underwater operate. Well, all of a sudden, this bird comes in, he's going to have different ways of operating, right? Different ways of swimming and different, you know, physiology. He's designed in a way made for air. So, it's not really going to make any sense in this underwater environment.
And it made me think, is this what like people do with like C5 and psionic assets? These people that can consciously pull in um craft from somewhere. We don't know exactly where they come, but they make this conscious connection and they're able to they use the word summon, which I'm not a fan of, but they summon these craft and they pull them in and the craft crash. This is all evidently supposedly, you know, that's what these people say. And then we have these retrieval units that go and retrieve the craft. And then we try to reverse engineer them. And evidently, we're not making tremendous progress in the reverse engineering because maybe these craft that we're reverse engineering weren't designed and made for this environment. They just are sort of forced to materialize once we pull them in to this material physical realm. So, they have to materialize. They have to all of a sudden obey our laws of physics. And they materialize into a craft. They crash because they're not made for this. And then we retrieve. We try to reverse engineer. And it doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make any sense. It'd be like if you're underwater and you find an airplane. Doesn't make any sense.
Okay. So, let's visit a very important passage in Robert Monroe's third book, Ultimate Journey, that brings all this together. So, this is at the point where Robert is very proficient in astral travel, and he can basically just go anywhere he wants. And he's revisiting the places that he had visited before where he found his a couple of his friends that had recently passed and his father who had recently passed. Um, and he's revisiting them at this point. So, at this point, he had already gone and visited Agnu at this hanger, and he's going back to that same place.
So, I made another run some days later into an adjacent area that brought a similar result. I rediscovered the place where I had found Agnu several months after he had crashed and burned in his light aircraft while trying to land at a small Ohio airport. It was at Agnu's funeral in North Carolina where a vivid and here hitherto I I love some of these kind of old-timey words. I I don't say hitherto very often and I don't read it very often. So, that one kind of threw me for a loop. It's like you look at it and you're like, I think that's a typo. It's like, no, that's just what they said back then. Sorry. I digress. It was at Agnu's funeral in North Carolina where a vivid and hitherto unexplained event had happened. Just as this casket was being lowered into the grave, a low-flying Twin Beach aircraft flew over the site. It was exactly the same model with the same color and markings as the one Agnu had flown. It waggled its wings and flew off into the distance. His widow broke into sobs, and all of us who knew him were moved to tears. Later, we checked all airports within a radius of 300 m. There were no records of any twin beach takeoffs or landings. With this in mind, I was not optimistic that I would find this creative type at the same non-physical site. When I had found him previously soon after his death, he had been working excitedly on something he couldn't explain to me. I was right. This time the platform and rigging were there, but not Agnu. I didn't try to locate him. There were just too many possibilities.
Okay. So, when I was talking earlier about the fact that some of our, you know, kind of anomalous phenomena, our UFOs, the things that we see in the sky that we can't really explain, that seem to kind of pop in and pop out and that now we seem to be trying to kind of lasso with our consciousness and summon and bring down for reverse engineering purposes. Um, what if these originate in local 2? What if these are non-physical by nature and we somehow can just 3D print them into our our material world if they if they get too low into this density. And to illustrate this, there's this idea that from the second state, that from the non-physical, you can project or do things in the physical. There's a story of Agnu Bonson's funeral. Agnu flew a very particular, very specific marked and colored twin beach aircraft. And at the funeral, as they're lowering the casket into the ground, the same plane does a power pass, which means kind of low and aggressively flies over this funeral. Everyone knew what this meant. They all started crying. His wife broke down in in sobs and tears. They went to find the origin of this plane. No one could find it. It seems like this plane didn't exist, but they all saw it. Multiple people reported this. Everyone had the same experience. So, it wasn't just one person's visualization or hallucination or, you know, in the state of trauma, they kind of projected something internally. No, this happened. This is a thing that happened.
Now, it happened from the second state. Now, was this a physical plane that physically manifested and physically flew or was this some sort of a holographic projection or was this some sort of a mental consciousness projection like Agnu could kind of just passing by saying, "Hey guys, thanks, you know, see y'all soon from the other side." We don't really know that, but that goes into the whole quantum nature of this reality. Is it physical or is it quantum? It's both. You know, it's like an ice cube is is frozen water. Eventually, it melts. It's it's phase shifting. It's it's just transitioning from phase to phase. It's still water just in different phases. It's like this physical reality is quantum non-physical by nature and it's almost like frozen into this physical state. But then it gets even deeper. Let me play you a video snippet right here of Robert Monroe talking at one of his gateway um experiences at the Monroe Institute where he's going to explain who BB is and he gives a little bit more information about this funeral flyover.
>> So yeah, >> where and what who is BB now? >> Where who is BB is already BB as you know attempted to rescue me. And um he's come and gone in this lifetime. >> Yeah. >> He uh >> wait for you. >> He didn't wait for you. >> He couldn't he died in an airplane accident. >> That was quite a thing. And I didn't even know about it at the time, but uh BB was a friend of mine named Bonsson. And uh he flew a Twin Beach, if you will. uh and he was used to uh long fields instead of grass fields. And he came into I learned this when we were flying together out of uh out of a small place in North Carolina. He went up to uh uh Ohio, West Ohio, and went into the West Ohio airport. and the lesson he'd learned in that grass field having been on hard runway all the time. Uh he overapplied at the Worester airport and hit power lines on the way in and crashed right in the middle of the field and burned and died. Well uh and I did that's one of the people that I saw speaking of validation and so on and uh I later on got to new and found because he was involved in the 60s with me if you think how time flies it were. And so we were much together in this. But let me tell you the greatest mystery in Agnes passing when he was I attended his funeral in Winston Salem. And here as he was being his casket and nobody saw the remains because they were too burnt up as it was being lowered into the grave. A twin beach made a power pass at about 150 ft over that grave. His his wife, she just went just broke down. We could not find the source of that twin beach. In other words, we checked all the airports for 150 miles around Winston Salem and that twin breach did not emerge from any of them and there was no flight plans filed for any twin breach for that day. One of the greatest and most interesting mysteries is where it came from. Somebody's it was doing something. And there that's the other thing that you will find that the more that you get to know your it you'll become astounded at the capabilities that you have that you never knew you had but you did 20,000 years ago. So why not now right that's the thing.
>> So now we know that Agnu Bonson is BB. Now if you have read Robert Monroe's books you understand who BB is. If you haven't, let me tell you. As Robert starts exploring, you know, at first he's exploring his house in his local area, then he starts venturing out and visiting other people. And then when he gets really proficient and masters the art of out-of-body travel, he starts going way out there. And as he's going way out there, and when I say way out there, outside of the influences essentially of his human earthlife experience, and he's he's sort of disassociated from even Robert Monroe. Now he's just Robert Monro's consciousness out in the non-physical. He has lots of helpers. He calls them inspect, his inspec friends, which is just short for intelligent species. And he has a couple recurring characters. He has AA and he has BB. He finds out that BB is Agnu Bonson.
Now, this is so exciting and and explains so much because when you can consider BB like Robert Monroe's spirit guide, because he's guiding him through this sort of spiritual realm, the non-physical, and he's not giving him information that's really pertinent or relevant to Robert's physical life. What he's most excited and interested in is helping Robert Monroe escape. Escape. They use the word escape velocity a lot. What they call escape velocity is essentially this. Your consciousness, your soul comes into the Earthlife experience, comes into this human experience in a way that's supposed to be kind of like a training simulator, like a uh very compressed school for for learning. And you come in and you're whole when you come in and you come in, you have your your human sojourn, you die, you go back up, and you know, there's somebody called an entry director that helps you in the first time. And then there's a return entry director, they call them Ed and Red. The return entry director when you go back up, they're basically like, "Hey, how'd it go?" You know, and you're like, "Oh, it was freaking nuts." And they're like, "Okay, well, you know, you have two options. You can go on your merry way, right, back to your your life, your existence before you came to Earth, or you can go back in for another incarnation. This is called reincarnation. Now, it's a cycle. It's not supposed to be a loop. But what happens?" Robert Monroe figures this out and is very adamant that this is the way things are is that you get addicted to the Earthlife experience. So you would say, "Well, how can that happen?" You come in the first time, you go up, Red says, you know, do you want to go back in or do you want to go on your merry way? And you're like, you still know there's a merry way at this point. You're not too far removed. And you're like, well, no, like last time I didn't make it very far. I was clunky. I don't I don't really know the rules of this game, but I think I got it figured out now. So put me back in, coach. And you go back in and then you have another experience. You go back up. Red's like, "Same decisions." And you're like, I don't even really remember what merry way was. So, let's go back in. You know, I want to be rich next time. I was poor last time. You go back in and then this keeps going. Okay, I was guy. I want to be girl. Okay, I lived over here. Now I want to live over here. Okay, I was royalty. Now I want to be poor. Okay, I did a bunch of really bad things in that life. So, I need to go back in and and fix some things, right? And you keep going and you keep going. What happens when you do this is you eventually forget. You forget that there was a merry way. You forget that you were something before you came into this human earthlife experience.
On top of that, there we create these bubble world, these bubble realities that whenever you do pass and you go over to the spirit world, um you don't just all go into one place. There is a park which is like a way station that you're supposed to go to and then find your path. But we've also over the eons, humans have created it's like a virtual reality over there. And we've created these little virtual bubble realities that we get stuck in because a lot of them are very charged with beliefs. They're he Robert calls them the belief system territory, but they are these little miniature heavens and hells and places that we can get stuck in. When this happens, your eye there, he calls it the eye there, your higher self, which is the totality, the aggregate of all of your lifetimes. It is supposed to be the accumulation of all of your lifetimes. Like every little you know partitioned off piece that goes into a human life after it dies it's supposed to return back to the eye there but a lot of them to get stuck in these belief systems. Whole point of this little story is that your eye there is not complete. It's fragmented and a lot of the little pieces are splintered off and stuck in these belief systems. So, you go into this soul retrieval mission where you're going and you're trying to pluck out all your little pieces and reassemble them so that you can finally achieve escape velocity and go on your merry way. At the beginning, going on your merry way was a very easy task. You simply told Red, "Okay, well, that was fun. I'm out of here." And you go. You You haven't You don't have the spiritual gravity at that point. The spiritual gravity.
Now, Agnu Bonsson was obsessed with cracking physical gravity, getting out of the the pull of Earth's gravitational field and being free from that, being able to operate with absolute freedom, not restrained by Earth's gravitational pull. That's physical gravity. Robert Monroe at this point is being shown that there's a spiritual gravity that you get you kind of go down in this spiral and you get so dense into the human earth life experience that you forget that you were something before. You forget you're going to be something after. You're so splintered and fragmented. All your partitions are stuck in belief systems that you're not whole. And you can't get that escape velocity until you're whole. All of that was shown to Robert Monroe primarily by BB who is Agnu Bonsson just Agnu Bonson's consciousness the the spirit form of Agnu when he's not um in a human incarnation.
So the really interesting thing here is both of these guys were together on their origin planet called KT95 before they came to Earth. They came to Earth on the TSI cruise. If you've read Far Journeys, you know what the TSI cruise is. This is where the story of Luch comes from. This is where you're told the whole origin story of of humans and Earth and everything. It I have no time to get into that today, but it's it's nuts. So, they came on the TSI cruise. TSI standing for time space illusion. That this place that we're in here, Earth, is is a time space illusion. It's a simulator for consciousness development and growth. And that you come in here for that for consciousness development and growth for to have these virtual experiences. You know, your your consciousness is non-physical by nature and it comes into this physical reality to have these physical experiences because there's things you can do in this physical world you can't do elsewhere. You know, the the joys of having a family and heartbreak and love and, you know, overcoming adversity and eating chocolate and all the like human emotions that we have that are so profound and and and increase and improve the quality of our consciousness through cause and effect and through, you know, all of the the physical emotional experiences that we have here on Earth. We take all that with us. So your your soul comes into this this simulator and it comes in one way and then it leaves bigger expanded with all of these things layered on top of it that it learns through all of your incarnations here. So it is a training simulator for consciousness development and they come here on this like TSI cruise and they came to kind of get a taste of it and they got stuck. They came together Agnu and Robert. They weren't called Agnu and Robert obviously they were AA and BB. They were just two souls and now they've reunited in their past [music] life to try to escape.
If you think about it, Robert's entire life was achieving spiritual escape velocity from spiritual gravity and Agnes was achieving physical escape velocity from physical gravity. They were both trying to tackle the same problem from two different perspectives while in the physical body. And then they reunited in the non-physical. And when they re reunited in the non-physical, Agnu was not telling Robert things that he could do to improve his physical life. He was instructing him on their mission. Like he had remembered what they came here to do and he knew at that point that they had overstayed their welcome. That it's like going to college and staying for 20 years. It's like being Van Wilder. You know that there is a shelf life that you're you come you have the experiences, you learn what you came to learn, you grow and then you leave. You leave bigger. [music] you leave this graduate of the human earthlife experience. It's like a Navy Seal for souls. And they were stuck here. [music] And and Agnu was there to to help Robert to understand that when he said, "Robert, you have the ability to demonstrate anti-gravity. It had nothing to do with flying UFOs. It had nothing to do with demonstrating physical, you know, manipulation of gravity. That it's bigger than that. It's bigger than that. True escape velocity. true anti-gravity comes from being able to escape the spiritual gravity that we find ourselves in here.
And I just think it's incredibly beautiful and profound that their lifetimes intersected the way they did. um that people like, you know, T-Towns and Brown, Einstein, you know, John Archbald Wheeler are are in this amazing story and that, you know, it makes you look at physical life differently. Maybe this is just but a small part of a much bigger life that we are putting together. And we need to be able to live in this dualistic, you know, kind of partition mindset where we know that all this is real and we know that the things that we're doing here are real and it's important, but also having this ability to zoom out and see it from the bigger picture and know that on the other side, you are working hard around the clock. Your eye there is constantly, you know, at work retrieving pieces of you to put you together so that you can be free. So you can break free from the spiritual and physical gravity. Not so that you can escape necessarily, just so that you're free. Freedom gives you options, gives you the ability to choose. True free will expands your your possibilities. And that's the story of Agnu Bonsson and Robert Minro. Tell me what you think about that. Thank you for spending time with me today. Love you all. See you in the next video. Peace.
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