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Mr. Andrew Tate, thank you for doing this.
Oh, thanks for having me.
Now, there's a lot of subconscious and conscious efforts that we all make to try to stay healthy. Could you talk to us about both sides? Like, what do you do normally? Cuz in our off-camerara conversations, you were talking about you like to stay in the sun and that's kind of like conscious, but then also unconscious.
Yeah. My health philosophy is pretty simple. I eat once a day. I eat a lot of meat. I try and avoid processed sugar. I love the sun. I try and be in the sun as much as possible. I don't really wear sunscreen. If I feel like I'm in really crazy sun and I start to burn, then I may avoid it, but that very rarely happens to me. I don't really burn, so I'm quite lucky from that perspective. I drink a lot of water, about 10 liters of water a day. A lot of caffeine, at least 10 coffees a day, I believe, are good for me. I also was big on smoking. I actually believe that nicotine was good for me, but I've had to stop for this fight. So, I've taken a three-month hiatus.
And I guess that kind of ties into the conscious and unconscious because I do also do a lot of things very consciously. I am quite consciously trying to repair my body a lot of the time. I believe that your body itself and your mind is a very complicated chemical factory and if you need a chemical to get something done, I believe you can think yourself into getting that chemical and a lot of people don't consider doing that. They get hurt or something hurts and they run straight to the doctor to take a pill. Whereas if you lay still in bed before you go to sleep and you consciously imagine, you know, directing your chi or, you know, trying to repair that part of your body, you'd be surprised how it actually seems to work.
So, of course, I have no scientific evidence for doing these things. I just it's just what I do. So, I'm very conscious with certain things when it comes to like repairing myself and trying to make sure if something hurts, I think about how I imagine it getting better and it seems to get better.
Yes. And I've always been quite good at that with the power of the mind. Even I mean I used to smoke 10 cigars a day for 10 years and then I decided to fight. So I quit and it's been three months so far and everyone told me quitting smoking was hard but it turns out it's actually very easy.
So, talk to us about your upbringing. What has built such a resilient brain?
I was raised in a military household. My father was in the Air Force and I was a chess champion when I was young. So even at a very young age, I had to sit at the board for many long hours and dedicate myself. And chess is a fantastic thing to learn when you're young because it teaches discipline and it teaches self-accountability, which is the most important lessons I think for life. You know, if you lose, it's your fault. And to get better, you have to dedicate yourself. And also after a game, you have to analyze it. You have to sit down and work out where it went right, where it went wrong. You have to self-analyze. And I think that's one of the things people don't often do enough in life is self-analyze and sit down and take 100% accountability for something that happened to them and see what they could have done to avoid it. People will get in a car crash and they'll say, "I got in a car crash. It's not my fault. This guy came out of nowhere." Which is true. Whereas I look at it differently. I got in a car crash. Okay, he came out of nowhere. Could I have seen him coming if I wasn't listening to the radio? Could I have seen him coming if I wasn't on my phone? Did I have to go out driving at 3:00 in the morning in the rain? Could I have avoided this? So I take absolute accountability for everything all the time and I try and analyze everything from that perspective and it allows you to make better decisions moving forward. And I think once you do that, it's very easy to avoid a lot of life's problems. You can actually avoid a lot of the problems people find themselves in.
By just thinking ahead and learning from mistakes and going from there. So when you look at the world of biohacking and the whole big boom that's happening with high-tech as well as the ancient wisdom, the ancient methods, what is, what are your thoughts around that?
Yeah. So, I think the traditional medicine destroyed its credibility during COVID. I've never been a big doctor guy. I've never been a person who went to the doctor hardly ever. Even when I was fighting many, many years ago, they'd say, "Who's your doctor's name?" And I'm like, "Doctor, I don't really, I don't know, whoever's nearby if something gets broken." But I've never been a big doctor guy. I've never taken painkillers. I've never been big on pills. I've never been, you know, the people who say, "Oh, I have a headache. I need a pill every five seconds." I've never been one of those kind of people. So, I never really was big on the health industry as a whole, but I think the world was until COVID where they showed that they're actually human and they're fallible and they're corruptible and they don't always have your best interests at heart. And if you're going to realize that the medical industry, like every other industry, is prone to corruption, just like the education industry and the judicial system and our elections and everything else. Then you're going to have to take your matters into your own hands. And if you want something done properly, you're going to have to do it yourself.
Mhm. And when it comes to biohacking or trying to work out your health, a lot of it, it's going to make you sound a bit crazy, right? Because there's no scientific proof for these things. There's no scientific proof that I can think myself better,
right?
But if something's aching or hurting, I think myself better. I don't have scientific proof for that. That's just what works for me. So, there's a degree of trial and error involved. You have to take it very seriously and you have to try something and see how you feel and try and avoid the placebo effect and really consciously say, "Do I feel better from this?" And then I guess the whole subject gets a little bit more complicated where certain things will work better for certain people than they do for others. But if you want something done properly, you should do it yourself. And your health is something that you should take absolutely seriously and you should be very conscious of it and you should be trying your very best to work out how you feel optimal as a person. I think that, you know, if you pay enough attention, it's doable.
What about sleep? Are there mandatory sleep hours that you consciously or subconsciously shoot for?
Sleep's not something I'm great at, to be honest. I'm not a very good sleeper. I take sleep when I can get it, but I would say I sleep six hours, seven hours a night. It's often broken up. I'm not a great sleeper. I don't have, I don't have set hours or anything. However, if a day comes where I manage to stay in bed for 10 or 11 hours, I'll try and I'll try and take it when I can get it. I know that sleep is very, very important, of course, and I probably could get better at it if I were to regiment my life around it a little bit more, but I'm not too big on sleep and I think the reason for that is, for better or worse, this might be a disadvantage, I function great without it.
I'm one of those people. I can go to sleep for two hours, have a bad night's sleep, go to bed at four, get up at six, and I'm fine. So it's like, well, I don't need it. But it turns out when you're training for a fight, you do need it. So, sometimes you have to force yourself to. But yeah, I think also, you know, we live in a world now where it's very difficult to have a quiet mind. We always have these permanent distractions and it's hard to just lay in bed even if you're not tired and you can't sleep. 10, 15 years ago, you'd just lay in bed and close your eyes and relax. But now your phone's going off and that's lighting up and there's money over here, problem over there, kid here, this there. So you're always distracted and there's always something to do. And I think that's the reason people's sleep is so bad is that we're being pulled in so many different directions all the time. And we have so much access to unlimited information and unlimited opportunity. There's always someone you can talk to 24 hours a day. Might be money at the end of the conversation. There's always something going on. So it is very difficult to sleep. And I think that's also one of the important, one of the reasons why I take exercise so seriously because if I struggle to sleep when I'm training, I think it'd be far worse if I wasn't training. Sure. I'm not exhausting myself on purpose so that I can sleep.
So, there's studies now that show that meaningful friendships, meaningful relationships are like a form of a biohack. Give you mental for you have a great relationship with the friends that you do have, in particular your brother. Would you say that also is kind of like a hack of life? Finding someone that's like a real good soulmate, whether it's a relative or a significant other. You know, it doesn't matter if it's your brother, it doesn't matter if it's your wife, it doesn't matter who it is, but there has to be a degree of collaboration and also a degree of healthy competition is what my brother and I have. And there's definitely no malice involved. I just had a press-up competition with a seven-year-old. And surprisingly, he's very strong. But it didn't matter if he did 200 push-ups, I would have done 201.
And that's just because my brother and I have that stubborn relationship. So he does 200, I do 201, then I do 203. So, whoever goes first is guaranteed to lose because that's just how we are as people. And that's what's so fantastic when it comes to trying to be your best self is having that constant competition around you.
I think it's very good to have. And yeah, absolutely. Friendships certainly are a biohack. There's no doubt about it. And I think that, you know, older people die when they get lonely. It's one of those things that happens. It's one of the plagues of the Western world that old people don't even have family to rely on. Somehow our society's become so broken.
That doesn't happen in a lot of other places, but it happens here in the rich, in the rich West, it happens somehow. So, yeah, I think that positivity as a whole is a biohack. I think that when you feel happy, you feel capable of doing things and you feel strong. And I think perhaps it's the largest biohack of all are your own thoughts. If I had to, you know, analyze myself and why I'm successful and why I can do certain things, I wouldn't put it down to a diet or, you know, I don't take any supplements of any kind. The biggest biohack I have is I can control my own brain.
I've decided I'm strong. So, I'm strong and I can do 300 push-ups. I decided.
And if you can do that, if you're stubborn enough, it's amazing how far you can go.
That's amazing. So, how do you actually optimize your brain continuously? So, you have lack of sleep,
right?
You don't take supplements and you don't like doctors, so you're not testing, so you're not like obsessed about these levels going up and down. So, how do you maintain that kind of clarity and strength in your mind?
You know, everyone says practice makes perfect. And I disagree with that. I think that it is reflection and analysis that makes perfection because you can practice something, but if you don't analyze yourself, you don't get any better at it. Chess is a perfect example of it. You can play all day long, but unless you sit down and analyze your games and work out where you went wrong, you're never going to get better. And it's the same with anything like public speaking, right? There's people who have been speaking for eight years and can't speak as well as people who've been speaking for 20 years. Why? Because someone who's 20 will watch their speech back and they'll say what they did wrong and they'll analyze every single part of it. So, I think when it comes to thought patterns and it comes to life, it's exactly the same thing. I try and keep my mind optimized to get what I need done. If I'm ever in a stressful situation, I sit back and think, did I handle that the best? And if you do that long enough, you get to a position where next time a stressful situation appears, you know, you understand it's a stressful situation. You understand the consequences, but you don't really feel the pressure that you did before. You don't panic. You don't rush because you've been there before. You've been through it.
And, you know, with enough adversity, eventually, I guess you get kind of good at adversity. You just get good at it. You know, my brother and I recently had a very interesting few years and we did fantastically well because we're prepared for those, those years and a lot of people in our situation wouldn't have done as well as we did. So, I think it's just a matter of looking back and analyzing yourself and analyzing how you performed and making sure that you're prepared for it to appear the next time. And God is fortunate enough to keep us entertained because he gives us endless problems. So, you're never bored. So, as long as you're prepared for them and you enjoy the ride, you know, it's we said earlier about positivity being a biohack. That's true. Everybody says that, you know, you should choose something you enjoy because that's how you'll make money because you're good at things you enjoy. And that is true. But I think you can also reverse that. And if you enjoy everything you do, now all of a sudden you're good at everything.
And, you know, I know that seems like a language trick, but it's true. If I'm forced to do something, which I kayaking here, kayak, I'm gonna say, "Okay, I'm gonna really enjoy this kayaking. I haven't been kayaking in 10 years. Yes, I'm gonna kayak." And all of a sudden, I have more energy to kayak and I can go further than if I didn't. So, if you enjoy things, you're good at.
So, more plates, more dates. Recently did a blood marker study on you to kind of like quash all the rumors if you were on PEDS or any type of thing. Talk to us a little bit about the results and if you saw anything on there maybe where, oh, maybe I need to up my vitamin C or less vitamin D. Like in my case, I wasn't supplementing for vitamin D, but my genetic makeup said too much sun is no good. Um, overdosing in vitamin D, which did you, did it open your eyes? Well, first of all, let everybody know what the results were.
Yeah. So, my testosterone level is pretty high. It's at the the upper end of the natural scale. I think that's just because I'm competitive. I think it's because I'm a very competitive person and I have a competitive environment I'm in. So, I think my body naturally reacts to the competition.
And like I said, if I think I want to be strong or I think I need to fight, my brain reacts to what I think. I tell my brain what to do as opposed to being told what to do by my mind like a lot of people are.
You know, a lot of people feel sad and they're told to be sad by their brain. Whereas I tell my brain if I'm sad or not, actually I decide.
So, that's part of it, but it confirmed I wasn't on any kind of PEDS, which I never was. I've never needed them and I've been tested my whole life. It did say something about cholesterol that my cholesterol was high, but and then I've read some studies that that's actually a good thing, but I was always told with traditional medicine, which I don't even believe in, that's a bad thing. You know, one of the things that's interesting about like not believing in science and studies, it's kind of like where do you go from here now? Because I don't believe what doctors say.
But I feel in good shape. You know, I look in good shape. I train very hard. So I'm kind of at the point of, I know I look after myself. I train very hard. I know I eat well. I know I'm very physically fit, so it is what it is. You know, whatever I have is is is is what I have, and I think I'm going to be okay.
So, ever since we got into this biohacking journey, um, because of our son, I've gotten obsessed over measuring and seeing before and afters. In fact, about six months ago, I made it to the top 100 of longevity Olympics. I'm on 96.
Wow. So, I want to ask you, since you're so competitive, have you gotten obsessed over really like making it to 150? There's a big obsession now amongst the biohackers.
There is. Yeah. I see everyone saying that people are going to live a lot longer than before. And you know, if you would have said that to me three years ago, I would have thought, nah. But now, I see it the rate that we're advancing with AI and ChatGPT and all this crazy stuff's happening. And we're all so used to the world changing now that none of us even pay attention. Think about it. Three years ago, there was no ChatGPT. Now, everyone just has AI on their phone like it's nothing, and everyone just talks to the machine mind like it's nothing, and we're all just like, "Yeah, yeah, whatever. Boring." So, what's gonna happen in the next 20 years? I have no idea. It may be very possible. I'd love to live as long as possible. Of course, I would. But, I don't really measure my health anything outside of my physical performance. I just measure my endurance primarily from fighting and from training. And I'm 38. I'm 39 in December. So maybe when I get a little bit older, I'll be a little bit more obsessed with the markers and stuff, but I genuinely feel good. And I think that's one of the most important things is that I feel good. And I optimize my habits for what makes me feel good. If I feel good, I do it.
And that allows me to have a more positive mindset and tied back into everything else, enjoying my life, enjoying what I do. So as long as I feel good, you know, that's what I optimize for.
There's no need for testing.
I mean, yeah. I know that sounds kind of ignorant. I guess now I hear it back, but truthfully, yes. If I try something, if I try a supplement,
I am very, very conscious of the placebo effect, right?
You have to be capable of truly deciphering if it's the placebo effect or not.
But besides that one point, I'm very conscious of it. If I try something and I feel better, then it's good for me. I try something and I feel worse and it's not good for me. And that's my basic premise. Have you ever had any health battles or anything that kind of took you down for a while and then you were able to heal back?
Yeah, so when I was in jail, they identified a spot on my lung and I had to have a lung biopsy, which from a Romanian jail cell, which was a fun experience. But that turned out to just be a scar when I had pneumonia when I was young. But even when they first found this spot, they were like, "It could be cancer, it could be this, it could be that." I just knew it wasn't.
No, it's not. Like, what do you mean no? Going to do a biopsy in my neck. I just knew. I'm like, "No way. I just knew it wasn't." I don't know how to explain. I just knew it wasn't. I felt too strong. I felt too good.
But what led to that? Did you feel something or what?
No, I had an X-ray on my chest and they just found the spot and they're like, "This is a big problem. It's going to be this, this, and this." But it never crossed my mind that it was. I just knew it wasn't. And it turned out to be a scar and everything was okay. But I've never really had any serious super bad health battles I've had to fight. Luckily, I've, you know, I've broken ribs in fighting and broke my hand and that kind of thing. But it's amazing how the body heals. It's actually one of the most amazing things on the planet. It's actually a miracle how the body can heal. It truly is an incredible thing. And I always believed I'll get better. So, I've luckily I've been good so far. I've had nothing I've really had to deal with so far.
So, this fight is coming up in when?
December.
December 20th. Out of curiosity, is this a warm-up to potentially maybe doing something in the UFC in the White House lawn?
Well, I told Dana I'd fight. I mean, that's an opportunity I'd love to do. And I'm not, I mean, I have fought MMA many times, but I'm traditionally a striker. I'm not a grappler. So, would I get wrestled and beaten up? Maybe. I don't know. But I'm not really afraid of losing. I've never been afraid of losing. I'm afraid of not taking the risk and not taking the chance. I can live with the loss, but I can't live with the what if. I just can't. And that's been the motto of my life that's allowed me to be so successful. If I have an idea, I'm perfectly happy to try 100% and fail, but I'm not happy to not try it because then it bothers me. And I'm not happy to try 99% then it bothers me. So, a lot of my successes in life came from me just trying to scratch an itch. Just like I have this idea, it's annoying me now. I have to give it my all. And hopefully, you know, if it doesn't work, then I get to save some time. Oh, oops. It worked and now I'm successful. Oh well. So that's just how I operate.
So, you know, when you look back on your life, I think you're going to regret what you don't do. And everybody understands this and everybody says it, but then nobody really lives that way. And I think if you actually start to live that way and stop worrying so much about, you know, in this new world we live in with social media and videos and pictures and everyone's trying to impress everyone all the time and nobody's really even having fun. They're just trying to look like they're having fun so that other people think they're having fun. You'll notice this when you go to a party. No one's having fun and they sit in their bored and they get their camera out and they're like, and then they put it away and they're back bored again. It's just they have to show the world they're having more fun than you. It's all this endless competition and everyone's so desperate to like protect their reputation and everyone's ego's got the better of them and everyone's scared.
But I don't really care if I do that. I don't care if I win. I don't care if I lose. I just care that I can look in the mirror and know I'm not afraid and that's what matters. Or if I am afraid that I act anyway. It's perfectly fine to be afraid and then act. In fact, you talk about biohacking. I would argue that fear is a fantastic biohacker. I'd argue that fear makes you sharper.
Fear makes you react quicker. You know, fear makes you more perceptive. When you're scared alone in a dark forest, you hear everything. So fear is great as long as you don't let it control you.
So, yeah, I, and also I want to know if I still got it. So, so one of the things we learned, right? It's almost like your line of work in the fight business, it's avoiding things. So, now we're aware about plastic and microplastic. So, we try to avoid it. Seems like your whole life naturally you were avoiding a lot of toxic stuff. It doesn't matter with the cigarettes and cigars and a few meals here and there, but overall you were kind of like the Floyd Mayweather avoiding all the bad stuff, you know, and but now this information is more out there, right? The Wi-Fi, the EMFs, the environmental toxins, and what you're breathing. Are you now more acute and more aware? And as you get older, like you mentioned, maybe when I get older, I can't play the young card anymore.
And it's getting difficult, you know, because you, you know, you talk about Wi-Fi and EMF and 5G and all these things. It's everywhere.
Yeah. You know, it's really, it's everywhere.
I think you just have to be very, very conscious of how you feel all the time. You have to analyze it. Like if a certain light bulb gives you a headache, you need to change that light bulb. I think a lot of people are very lazy when it comes to these things.
A lot of people will be in an environment and they'll start to feel a certain way,
and they'll kind of just accept it.
Or they'll just be like, "Oh, well, it's unavoidable." Or even worse, they'll run to the doctor and the doctor will diagnose them with something they haven't even got and they'll start taking a pill they don't even need.
And they love to own their diagnosis.
Oh, 100%. A lot of these people who are desperate to, you know, constantly, you know, go doctor for X, Y, and Z. It's just, uh, I would argue it's a quest for individuality of some kind. And, you know, we could probably tie, you could probably tie it into, you know, there's there's mental health issues. People do the same thing.
Oh, you don't understand me because I'm this and this and this and this. You're not so unique and interesting. I understand you're lazy perfectly well and you're just making excuses and you've got a new label. That's fine. But if you want to do it, you do it, right? You don't want to do it, so you don't. So like, I, I'm very black and white with these things and it makes them not like me, but it is what it is. So I think a lot of it is a quest for individuality. And you'd be amazed how people grasp on to their individuality and it becomes who they are, which means they'll die to defend it. Then you go back into the matrix, right? It says the people who are not prepared to be freed will fight to defend the system. So there are certain conditions that people have that if you tried to fix them and say, "No, actually you don't need that pill. You need to do this, this, and this." And they'd look and go, "Wait, that's personal accountability, personal responsibility, discipline. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, I'm this and you don't get it." And that's their defense.
So, so one of the things I'm gathering from this interview is you have a clean gut. Like you've never taken painkillers or any of that stuff. And there's a real big correlation to the gut-brain connection. So you have this gut that's been able to keep your mind sharp, your body sharp, been able to
also fast every single day.
Every single day. One meal a day, you definitely don't have a leaky gut,
right?
And you definitely like clean like your zombie cells are constantly detoxing out of you. So your pull is clean.
Yeah. I think like I feel I genuinely feel better when I'm a bit hungry. And being hungry really isn't the worst pain in the world. It's not that bad for me to be hungry. I don't care. I can easily not eat for, I mean, how long? You can go three days without water, they say, or five days without water. Without food, you can go forever.
Sure. So, you know, if you're in a car and you're driving, if my brother and I are driving in a car and there's a someone else in the car and he's like, "Oh, I really need food." We're like, "Get over it. You can't wait an hour." Like, so being a baby, you know?
So, but that's a lot of like the parasites, the yeast, the bacteria that live in you.
They require the food.
That's right. Yeah. But if you're constantly cleansing, there's no home for them.
That's right. So, yeah, I don't mind being a little bit hungry because I feel I feel better that way. I feel more on, feel sharper. It's better for me. And like I said, if you feel good about something, you do it. So, I came up with this whole eat once a day, load myself with lots and lots of water and lots and lots of caffeine theory long before intermittent fasting was even really a big thing. I just thought, I feel better this way. This is how I feel good. And you know, if I would have gone to any doctor, they would have told me I was crazy and I shouldn't do that and the food pyramid and I need snacks in between my three meals a day and breakfast is the most important meal of the day. I haven't had breakfast in years. So I, you know, it's amazing how you can just ignore them all and come up with your own conclusions based on feedback.
He sounds just like the 102-year-old man we interviewed. It's in the magazine. You got to read the article. Our daughter interviewed him and we interviewed him. He's like, he was talking and we're like, you intermittent fast. That's what you do. Basically your same lifestyle.
The dude, well, first of all, he's a World War I veteran. He's accomplished so much. He was the CEO of a major company. He lives in Boca. We interviewed him in his home. And it's funny, our kids interviewed him because we're like, "You guys have to interview him to see how well he ate and whatever." And the first thing he says is like, "I eat whatever I want whenever I want."
Oh. And his motto is, "So what?" He's like, "So what? Someone doesn't like you, so what?"
But if you eat, but if you eat once a day, you can almost eat whatever you want.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, you eat one meal a day, you can just eat and then you're done and you're never going to go over your calories and you're done. It's easy.
And the painkiller thing you actually mentioned. I didn't realize how rare that was. But
I think that's one of the biggest plagues of modern society is, you know, every five seconds people are popping these Tylenols, these painkillers. It's crazy. Girls are the worst. Girls, I have a headache. I need a painkiller. You haven't drunk, I haven't seen you drink a glass of water in a day and a half. That's why you have a headache. You're dehydrated, you know? So I think that this constant, and it's really bad for your mentality, even worse than your body. You feel a little bit of pain and you instantly have to capitulate and take this pill and damage your liver instantly because you have, like, if I do have, I'm a professional fighter. I get punched in the head. If I have a headache, I still don't take a pill because it's not worth it. I just drink some water and wait for it to go away. Like, so if I can get punched in the head and not take painkillers, why do you? And like, oh no, it's a migraine. You don't understand. I think I do understand and I think your mentality is, I think you should stop. And it's, it's, it's the thing I've noticed people do. I've seen people taking painkillers three, four times a week. I can't think of three or four times in my life I've had painkillers.
Wow. What I correlate that to, I always think our cells are like our little babies, right? If you really look at that, they keep us alive. If your baby's crying, would you just shut the door and it go away?
That's right. The baby's not crying. That's basically you're ignoring your signals and your cells. This is why the cells end up dying because you're not listening to them. I wanted to ask you something. So from the physical perspective, you're pretty plain and simple, right? Hydration, massive hydration, lots of coffee, not a lot of sleep, simple food once, you know, once a day. Not a lot of biohacks, not a lot of supplements or gadgets, sun, simple stuff. Talk to me about um quantum and emotions. And I've heard you speak about being stoic. Men are stoic, right? But there has to be some sort of connection with the quantum energy. Like, what are your beliefs in that?
I really do believe, like I don't want to get too, you know, airy-fairy or anything, but I do believe that we shape reality. I, and when I say that, it doesn't mean we necessarily change the world with our thoughts, but we certainly change how we perceive certain things with our thoughts. And you can live inside of your own world, and it's the only thing you're going to experience. If I imagine I'm being followed, that doesn't make anyone follow me out in the physical world. However, if I truly believe I'm being followed and I go through my life believing I'm being followed, I'm going to see the same person twice by accident and now all of a sudden I'm paranoid and I'm being followed. My reality becomes true because I believed it. It doesn't matter if the outside world changed or not. So, you can shape your reality any way you want. And when I give that example towards the negative, everybody understands it, but not enough people understand it towards the positive. And you can shape your reality to believe that every bad thing that ever happened to you was a good thing. And it's never too late to have a positive memory of a negative experience. And if you like who you are and you like the life you're living, you have to be glad for every bad thing that ever happened to you. You can truthfully remodel your entire mind to be like, I know this is hard. I know this may not have been something I chose to happen, but this is actually a good thing, and this is a fantastic opportunity for me, and I'm very glad I get a chance to test myself, and I'm going to once again double down and prove why I'm different than everyone else. And I'm going to do the some the thing that no one else thought I could do and I'm going to pull it off. And with that kind of belief, it's amazing how often you actually pull it off. You know, it's we're all sitting here. We're all functioning adults. We're all alive and we've all had times in our life where we thought, I'm not going to get through this, whatever it was, and here we are. So, it's amazing how resilient we all are. And you just have to remember that at the time and remember that everything always works out well in the end. And it makes you a powerful person.
Tell us one time that you thought you may not make it through.
I always knew I'd made it through. But you know, there's times where you just think, "Oh, I just can't wait for this to be over or how is this going to all play out? How is this all going to end?" But I wouldn't say, you know, it's funny because my brother and I have a close relationship, but we're actually very different people. He's the eternal optimist. I wouldn't actually say I'm an eternal optimist. I have a very different view on things. I don't think I'm eternally optimistic, but what I do know is that whatever happens, I can handle it.
If that makes sense. So, I'm like, even if I'm miserable in the future, I know I'll be a very functioning miserable man. I'll be fine. Like, I'll get my work done. My bills will be paid. Everyone who needs me, I'll be there. My kids will be raised. I know. So, it doesn't matter because I know I trust future Andrew to handle it.
Future Andrew is a guy I believe in. So as long as you, if you believe in the future you, you know, it's like because the future you, as long as you're constantly self-reflecting, is going to be better than the current you.
So if you believe in yourself now, you have to believe in the future you even more.
So when you're going to sit and take a risk and go, I'm going to invest all this money. What if it goes wrong? You know what? Even if it goes wrong, future Andrew is the kind of guy who.
So let's just get it done. You know.
That's literally your biggest biohack. My biggest future you. Doing for my future self and being able to control my own brain and turn on any emotion or any chemical I want. If I want to get angry before a fight and I need the chemicals that make me enraged, I can decide that. I can also decide to be very calm and stoic when, you know, the in an earthquake. You know, it's all conscious. That's the biggest biohack of all. That's what your mind, that's what your brain is. It's a chemical factory. It ties back into what I said earlier about I can take an L, but I can't take not trying. Right. When I got attacked and I don't want to give the long, very many hour story of what happened to me, but let's make it very short and simple. I became the most Googled man on the planet. And that upset the British intelligence agencies. That's the short story. And they wrote to the Romanians and said, "The most Googled man on the planet is telling all the young men who idolize him to ignore all of our programming. So fix it." So the Romanians arrested me and threw me in jail. And when that first happened, my legal team and everyone around me said, "Look, Andrew, Romania has a 99% conviction rate. And this is one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. And if you talk against the system, you're toast. So just shut up, be quiet, and this will all go away. Just be quiet. Don't say anything. Just let it all blow over. And when Romania doesn't lose face for dropping it, they're going to drop it because they don't have a case on you because you haven't done anything."
But I was like, I can't just let everyone think I'm guilty of this.
I can't take the L. I mean, I can take the loss. I can't take the not trying. So me and my brother come out of jail running even in jail running our mouths. This is a setup. This is corruption. We're innocent. This is a setup. And everyone in Romania is saying, "You guys are crazy. You're speaking against the Romanian state. This isn't America. You can't talk against a judge. You're going to go to jail for 20 years." We didn't care. We kept to our guns. And in the end, somehow here we are. It all kind of worked out. And it turns out, you're right, everyone's saying, you know what, he was innocent all along. So, I guess if you believe in yourself and you double down and you dedicate yourself, and I was prepared to take the L, but I just couldn't take not trying. If I ended up in jail after telling everyone it was corrupt, I could sleep. I could live that way. I couldn't live going to jail after saying nothing. Imagine you said nothing to even defend yourself and you end up in jail anyway.
So, I had to do my best. And yeah, it all collapsed and fell apart. I think the world is getting crazy now. I think that it's not just Romania. I think the whole Western world is getting a bit crazy now. I think a lot of our systems are stressed to the max. I think that the monetary system, if you look at what's happening to dollars and gold and all these things, they're stressed to the max. And nobody believes in the medical system anymore for good reason. Everybody understands the judicial system can be weaponized and that ain't real. Does anyone believe in the elections? Barely. You know, all of our systems are teetering on the edge. And what happens when they all break? I don't know. But perhaps now is a better time than ever to take as much responsibility for yourself as possible. Not just with your health, not just with biohacking, but with almost everything. To sit and say, you know what, if all these things do break, you know, if the education system breaks, who raises my kids? If the medical system breaks, who takes care of my health? That this is how you have to think now if you're a responsible adult because the days of just relying on the experts are long gone.
And, um, yeah. And and and I did that with my criminal case. I ignored all my lawyers and I ignored my PR team and I said, "No, I'm innocent. This is a setup. This is corrupt." So I went out and guns blazing.
One of our guys, Adam, he was a student of yours. So talk to us about how someone can interact with you or your companies. What are the different offerings that you offer the general public?
Absolutely. So I have the largest online educational platform in the world, uh, called The Real World. Escape the matrix. Join The Real World, which is jointherealworld.com. It started pretty humbly. It was, um, a while ago I was saying that advanced education is a scam, that university is a scam. I was explaining to someone, they said, "I'm going to go to university." And I said, "Most degrees are a waste of time." If you want to be an architect or a lawyer or whatever, yeah, but most degrees by and large are a waste of time. And he said, "Why?" And I said, "Because they suffer from double inflation. There's more degrees every year and the price goes up every year. So it costs more to get one and they're less valuable." So in both directions, they're a waste of time. And even more importantly, you're wasting your years, your most, your most virile years. You're young, you're full of energy, and you're wasting your years just going to classes three times a week and partying as opposed to really dedicating yourself to something. And he said to me, "Well, what else is there to do?" And I said, "You're right. What else is there to do? Are most people going to university just because there's nothing else to do?" So, I decided to put together my own little university. I never expected it to become as big as it was. And I basically found a bunch of millionaires I knew who did made millionaire, made millions with different things. One with stock trading, one with crypto, one with XYZ. And I put together these 15 ways you can make money online. And we structured it for people to begin with absolutely zero, with no knowledge, with no money, just to join and follow the lessons, follow the courses. And it became pretty big. It became pretty large, large enough for not only the British government to attack me, but they wrote about me in the mainstream media saying that my school is preventing people from going to normal education and how dangerous a.
person I am, and that's probably the reason they attacked me and put me in jail. And then my payment processor got shut down, and we got hacked by a government. We don't know which one, and all. Absolutely. They tried to wreck us. They really feared my school because it was only $49 a month. So we were saying to people, "How many courses were there? Like, how many weeks could... What's the graduating process?"
"Yeah. So, there's it's $49 a month. Uh, there's a professor that's live for 10 hours a day inside the school, inside the inside the chat. There's there's video lessons for every single course, but there's also a chat room and a professor you can speak to in real time. We have certification coming, but it's not really about certification because we teach people specifically how to make money."
"Right?"
"So, your certification is making money."
"Right?"
"Join, we'll teach you how to make money, right?"
"Simple."
"Um, so we were so fantastically successful, we became enemy of the matrix and big education, kind of like big pharma. Pharma, if you make them mad, they come for you. I didn't know that they were the mafia, too, but they, they came for us. Then I, then I really upset them by buying university.com."
"So now we're on university.com. Um, yeah, we've got the largest online educational platform on the planet. We teach people how to make money online. And uh, I, I, I was basically saying to people, before you go and dedicate $100,000 to a degree, try one month of this."
"And people are..."
"Why not both? I'm just saying."
"Well, you don't, one doesn't have to substitute the other, you know."
"Now, what is the War Room? Because someone told me, 'Hey, Anthony, you should... he has elite people in the War Room.' Like, what is that?"
"So, I have the real world or university.com that teaches people how to make money online. And then the War Room is my private network, which is kind of almost like, once you have money, when you want to meet other high-V value people, when you want to meet other people who are doing amazing things in different industries all around the world. There's about 4,000, 4,500 of us. And we're basically just guys who have our lives together who are doing very..."
"Nice."
"So, that's no girls."
"Uh, there's no girls in the War Room, unfortunately. I mean, all the guys have wives, so you see the girls around, but it's..."
"About the War Wife Club."
"War Wife."
"I like that idea."
"Do you have gettogethers or conferences or anything like that?"
"Yeah. So, we, we have actually a big one coming up in Dubai."
"So, each, each event, there's different themes. So, some of them are primarily around networking, which are easy. Some of them are primarily around fun. We had these huge yachts in Croatia which are around fun. And a lot of them are around testing ourselves."
"Okay. So, we had a War Room event called the Test. And I told everybody, I said, 'You have six months to prepare for the biggest test of your life.' And obviously, nobody knows what it is. So, they're going to the gym and they're trying to prepare themselves, but they don't know what it is. And they all turn up and uh, they were all given MMA gloves and offered to go have a professional fight against the MMA fighter the next day on television in Romania."
"I think there was a hundred of them. 65 said yes, 35 said no because they didn't want to get hurt. And 65 got in there and got their asses whooped. I don't think anyone won, but they, but they got in there and they try."
"They took the L."
"They took the L. But that's, that's the lesson, right? You know, it's not about winning in life. It's about, are you brave enough to go in there and and take an ass-kicking? And a lot of them did, and they're better people for it. So, um, we have these amazing events. In fact, we have another one coming up in Dubai, beginning of December. We have one, I've already, I can't tell you guys what it is because I don't want them to know what it is, but we have something prepared for them all."
"Well, what are they called? What are they, what is the title of the events?"
"Uh, the, the upcoming event is called the Purge."
"The Purge. Got it. Got it. So, basically..."
"Not like the movie."
"You know, you know, it's interesting. The reason I put the War Room together is very much the same reason I put university.com together. There was no alternative to traditional education. So, I made one. When I first got very, became very successful, I was kind of like, okay, I'm successful now. Where's all the cool success?"
"Right?"
"And you kind of get to a stage, you'll know. You get up there and you're like, well, where is everyone then? Is it, you know? And I was like, well, let me find the cool guys who are doing cool things. So, I launched a War Room and we have some really amazing guys in there. I, I have to be careful what I say, but we have guys who work in government. We have guys who are billionaires. Yeah. We have guys who don't have much money at all, but they have a massive ranch in Montana and they just drive around on 4x4s all day and they let us go there and shoot as many guns as we want. It's a great network of of guys who are just trying to find their own version of freedom, right? That's what it's about. And all my friends are in there. It's where all my friends are. So, we all hang out and we get amazing things done. Then Dubai is a fantastic hub for the War Room. And we, we've got probably about 150 members in Dubai. Lots of guys..."
"And health is a big component I see you have people doing. Because so you not only are you making millionaires, one of the things we like to say when we, and we have our like journalists go around to different events, we want to interview health trillionaires, health millionaire people that are healthy, you know, their their money is the health is real, the real wealth."
"Well, you know, it's so funny because being in good physical condition or looking like you're in good physical condition or having a good physique, whatever, money can help, but you can't just buy it."
"Correct."
"It's one of the few things like it's like love, right? Money can help, but you can't just buy it."
"Right?"
"And it's one of the few things left that's like that."
"Yeah."
"You know, I mean, maybe in 100 years from now, that will be long gone and it won't be fun anymore."
"Yeah."
"But the status symbol of being in good shape is that you walk into a meeting and someone knows you're disciplined. They know you can dedicate yourself."
"Yeah."
"They can read you up and down. Like, I don't want to come across as a bad person. I have enough bad press. But if a man walks in a room and you know he's obese, you're going to think, does he have dedication? Can he, is he disciplined? You know, you've proved what happens once you're dedicated and disciplined. You've shown it."
"Yeah."
"So, like, and I think these things are subconscious. I do think they cross your mind. So, if a man were to come to me and say, 'I want to be as successful as possible in business.' I'd say, 'Well, then you also need to be as healthy as possible.'"
"Sure. I think that translates."
"Any husband tips?"
"Yeah. Yeah. I mean, fatherhood, the one thing I will say about it is that I genuinely think it is the best thing you could embark on in life. And I think one of the saddest things about the world today is that everybody is so constantly distracted that nobody really thinks about kids. They say, 'I want kids later. I want kids. I do want them one day. I want to get my career that I...' And I know it's hard because I know it's very difficult to pay bills now, and money's out of control, and inflation's out of control, and I totally get it. But when I see like young couples and they're just obsessed with Instagram and getting as many likes as possible or buying an expensive handbag or going on their 85th holiday, I think that the sooner people have children, the better. I think that you're never going to regret it. And every year you wait to have them is a year you don't get with them. So, I would strongly recommend for everybody to have children as soon as they find a good partner who they can rely on, and you'll work it out. One more thing I will notice, I will say about kids is that, uh, they can be expensive, but they're not as expensive. They're as expensive as you decide you want to make. Yeah."
"You know, it's like anything. It's like a car can be a, a Ferrari or it can be a car that just functions. It's a Toyota, but it's still a car. A lot of people say they can't afford kids, and I look at their life and go, 'You can afford kids. You're just buying a bunch of crap.' You know? So, I think that prioritizing children is a fantastic way to fix society by and large. I think one of the reasons why Western society's in so much trouble is not just because the population is collapsing. It's not just the mechanics of it, but it's also that people are losing their vested interest in their societies because they don't have children."
"When, when, when young couples would all move into houses in a street and they'd all have children, everyone wants that street to do well. But when you have a whole bunch of cat ladies and transients and individuals who are on Airbnbs who no one who cares about the street now."
"Yeah."
"So, I think that, you know, encouraging people to have children and letting them know they're never going to regret it is the best thing. And I'll say it's one of the best things I ever done. And I want to have as many as I can. So, we'll see how it goes."
"You know, there's a saying, 'A lie goes around the world three times before the truth is tying its shoes.'"
"Yeah."
"And I wouldn't say you're the most unmisunderstood man. And I just feel like you're the most negatively propagandized man, right?"
"Yeah."
"What do you have to say to this brand new audience who may or may not know you, or just from the propaganda? What do you want them to know? Who is Andrew Tate? And, and, and forget about the past, like, because everyone's allowed to have a do-over, right? And so, who is Andrew Tate today?"
"I like to think that my whole scenario is actually an exercise in critical thinking. And I'm going to approach this from the external with no emotion attached. I'm going to approach this how I would analyze the situation, imagining what happened to me happened to someone else. I'd sit and say, the amount of negative press this person has had, and from outlets that you can't even buy advertising. The BBC have written about this man over a thousand times. You can't even buy advertising in every single news outlet from Australia to America, CNN, MSNBC, everyone constantly talks bad about this guy. So, one, that's a lot of free press. I mean, you know, that's one degree of it. But secondly, considering he's never been convicted of a crime ever, and they are so desperate to attach these horrible allegations to his name, why would they do that? What is the intention of constantly trying to pretend this person's bad when they can't even lock him up? And the only conclusion to come to is that they're afraid of the things I teach. They're afraid of my ideas. So, they don't want anyone to talk about my ideas. They want everyone to talk about my allegations, because it's a setup. And I think it's pretty clear to anybody with a functioning mind by now that they have tried far too hard for this to be organic."
"This has been set up from the top. Now, I don't want to go through all the boring evidence I have that it was the British Foreign Office, but I literally have it in writing. It was the British Foreign Office. And the wrap-up smear is a pretty common tactic. They did it to Trump, did it to me. You know, they just insult you over and over and they repeat the lie over and over and they do anything it takes to convince the world that you're a bad person. Why did they do that to Trump? Because they fear his ideas. And I like people to sit there critically and just say, 'Look, if Andrew Tate was truly guilty of something, he would be in jail.' Especially as how hard they tried to get me. I would actually argue I'm one of the cleanest people on the planet because with the amount of federal agencies that have tried to put me in jail, most people would be in jail. So, I, I've done pretty good."
"Wow."
"Resilience."
"Resilience. You know, we've, we've uh, interviewed, I think almost like 350 of the world's leading minds, and this certainly takes the cake. You know, really appreciate that. And, and thank you. That means a lot to me. And, you know, it doesn't matter what God you believe in. Doesn't matter if you believe in the universe, karma, whatever it is, but every time you show, every time you show resilience, every time you show the universe that you're not going to bend, you're not going to break, there is, there is rewards for it. I truly believe that. You know, I think the reason I ended up in jail, we talk about self-accountability. I can, I can blame the UK Foreign Office and I can blame, you know, the Matrix and the fact that we live in a, a culture war, and if you're too big in one direction of the culture war, they're going to come for you. And I can blame the fact that they knew I could affect an election and the elections are rigged. I can blame all of that. But truthfully, you're going to wake up every day and you're going to go through life and say, 'No, I'm this man. I'm this guy, and I mean what I say, and I say what I mean, and I stick to my word, and I'm mentally resilient, and I'm strong.' Then God's going to test you and see if you really are who you say you are. He's going to give you a chance to embarrass yourself. I could have said sorry and got out of jail right away. I could have bent and broke or cracked or cried or I could have done any of the things. I could have signed the paper and shut up. I could have done anything they wanted, and I never did. So, I think that, you know, when you wake up and you walk around with your head held high, that's a fantastic feeling. But you understand that God is going to come along and test and see if you're really that person or if you're a faker."
"Yeah."
"And that's your chance to show God you're really that person. And once you pass the test, fantastic things will happen. So, I think it's all an opportunity."
"This is great. Thank you."
"Thank you very much. Thank you."
"Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you."
"Awesome."