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Okay, my friends. Today we are going to be talking about something that is completely near and dear to my heart because I've had so many tangible experiences of it. We're going to be having this conversation with an astrologer who is completely near and dear to my heart. I know I've said this on the podcast before, but Astrology Hub wouldn't exist if this woman had not come into my life. And one of the main reasons she came into my life is because I moved. I moved from New York City to Hawaii. And in Hawaii, I met Natasha Alter. She has since left me and flown off into other parts of the world, but we are still so connected. And she is still literally part of the fabric of Astrology Hub because I had my first astrology reading with her, and it blew my mind and opened up my world in ways I could have never imagined.
In addition, she has contributed to my book that is going to be coming out very soon, and it's called Life by the Stars. It's my personal story, but Natasha provides an overlay of the astrology that was happening during my story so that you can learn astrology through my life. And again, one of the main threads in this book and in this story is the way that moving geography completely changed my life and brought out different aspects of me, just as it does for you. And this is not only when you actually physically move, but also when you visit or you travel to other places. There's coding in the places that you long for and yearn for and are interested in. And we're going to be talking about all of this here today. So, what is relocation astrology, why it matters, and how it can help you, and maybe most fascinatingly, why it's so important right now.
So, again, we have Natasha Alter here with us today. She has been teaching, studying, practicing astrology for over 20 years. She is a wealth of wisdom and knowledge, and I am so happy that she is here today. Natasha, welcome.
>> Thank you very much for that introduction, Amanda. It's
>> All right. So, because relocation astrology brought me to you, it just feels so perfect to talk about this together. So, let's start with that big question for anyone that's newer to astrology or even this concept of relocation astrology. What is it?
Relocational astrology gives us a map of our personal relationship with the planet itself. Literally our chemistry with different places on the planet. So when we are born, we come out of the womb into physical matter, onto the planet, but we are physically present at the place of birth, and our charge is being frozen as the position of the sky or the architecture of the sky in that moment. However, our relationship with the rest of the planet doesn't end there. It means that when we move from one location to another, our natal chart wheel moves with us. So relocation astrology is giving you a chart as if you were born in that place where you are going or you're moving or you're visiting or where you are thinking or considering to go. So it kind of relocates you and provides you that map of your personal interface or your experience astrologically in that new place.
What it does by moving our chart, it can bring and emphasize a whole new different parts of us of ourselves or our astrological signature that might not have been emphasized, accentuated in the natal chart. So when we move and that planet, let's say, or that aspect all of a sudden brings being activated by, let's say, rising on the horizon or falling on some specific points of your natal chart, it activates the presence and the story behind that planet or that signature. So that's why I call it our personal chemistry. We can, by moving around, kind of explore that personal chemistry with the whole planet as if we were born there.
I myself moved a lot, quite a lot, and lived in many countries and even continents before I met astrology. So when I started studying astrology and encountered astrocartography, I of course started checking backwards, you know, this place, the place I was born, what kind of energy, my natal chart, then the next place, what happens there, then the next place, and the next. And it's like a whole handful of places I lived before I started studying. So I was able to have a direct experience and reference and an instant understanding why I had certain experiences in different places and why I either resonated, felt aligned, or not at all in the places where I tried hard to stay. For example, in Paris, I put an effort to settle there, and it was just not happening. Like, I'm not building community. I am not loving that city, which is beloved by everybody. I'm not feeling the vibe. I'm not plugging into its romantic side. It's just like my experience is not going there, even though I forced myself to kind of not forced, but I tried, I gave it a chance. And so of course, 10 years later, when I was studying astrocartography and astrology, I looked back at that place as well, and it was clearly shown to me that there is no chemistry. It's kind of like a void place, devoid of resonance, connection. So it can be with any other place like that. Yeah. And I like to see it as, as I said, we can, we are born everywhere at the same time, you know, it's like we are part of this planet and with all its energy lines, continents, different locations, different power places or not. And so astrocartography delivers a much more clear layout of where our resonance is lending.
>> Natasha, you are using a word that I, I'm hoping we can just, because it can be confusing when you're new to astrology and you hear relocational astrology and then you hear astrocartography. What is it? Is there a difference? Are they kind of interchangeable, or are you using one term specifically for a reason and not using the other? Just maybe high level, if there is a difference between them or not.
>> Well, there is no difference to me. Astrocartography does use the method of relocating the chart, relocating the person to the new place. And that's why I call it relocation astrology. It literally relocates you.
There are other types or techniques of that also use that subject of moving people around. For example, astrolocality, but it is a different technique, and it's not based on moving the wheel as much as the influence of the planetary lines in every specific given place on the planet where you can actually go in and zoom into particular areas within a very short radius to establish where are the most beneficial energies within that given area.
>> Okay. So astrocartography can get even more specific down to like very specifics.
>> No, no, astrolocality.
>> Astrolocality. Okay. So there's astrolocality, astrocartography, and relocation, relocation astrology, and astrocartography is the same thing to me. I don't know, maybe there are astrologers who are
>> Okay.
>> dividing those even, but astrocartography moves, as I said, it moves you together with your chart, you know, wherever you go, your chart goes. It doesn't stay in the natal configuration, but what it does, it takes the wheel of your chart and adjusts it to the new location, that would happen would be your natal chart if you were born in that place.
>> Mhm.
>> See what I mean? It just moves the wheel along with you. Relocation astrology is one of the techniques to use when moving. So keep in mind that there are a couple of other more refined techniques to follow after astrocartography. However, a lot can become very obvious and very clear just by doing a relocation chart alone.
>> And you also always emphasize that knowing our natal charts is essential, right? Like starting with your natal chart so that you can
>> Interpret accurately what that natal chart will look like in a new place. Right.
>> Exactly. Because the map, the kind of rough map on astro.com or other apps can show you the lines, and the description can give you very sweet kind of experience. For example, you have Venus on IC or some Jupiter on MC. However, it, you do need to know the story behind your own natal Venus. For example, if it's stressed natally and there are issues that need to be healed or worked with, then emphasizing this Venus on the line will not remove those issues. It will activate it even further.
>> But the good thing is that you, it can be so into your face that you can truly understand the mechanics and the possible ways to harmonize the hard aspect to that planet. Natasha, to do that, could you literally just go into like astro.com and put your birthday, birth year, birth time, and then put in the other location?
>> Absolutely.
>> Provides that. That's a free app. And you put your birth data, and what you do, you go down and in order to generate the relocation chart, you have to modify the data. In other words, if you are born in New York, Italy, you put it in, you put New York in where you fill the data, and then you scroll down and you punch modify data and put the new location.
>> M, okay.
>> So that will generate a relocated chart.
>> It is so fascinating. I hope this is intriguing all of you to look at your own charts and really consider some of these things and to start diving into this. Natasha, I know you've mentioned that right now, this is specifically relevant with what's happening at a global level with the astrological tides and how that might be impacting individuals. And I know like in 2020 and 2021, there was a huge wave of migration, and I'm guessing that there might, you might be anticipating another one. So can we talk about that?
Yes, of course. 2021, there was both migration and the blockage of migration.
>> True.
>> You know, that's true. Yes. Yes.
>> You know, we had Saturn Pluto conjunction that kind of created a block and a control over. So where we are moving now, or where we already are, are the new energies of Uranus in coming into Gemini as we speak, and Pluto being already in Aquarius. So we get this Aquarian vibe mixed with a Gemini kind of energy. So both Gemini and Aquarius, to me, they rule the nervous system. It's a mental energy, and the mental energy is equal to electric energy, which is Aquarius. Right? So I see it as the nervous system in our body that sends information through electric charges and informs our organs, our mind, everything is light. So it's a kind of an energy of electric metabolism of our bodies. There is another word to metabolism, is like the flow of energy, right? As well as our planets itself. If we imagine that we humans are like a nervous system of the planet, and we have Pluto in Aquarius and Uranus coming into Gemini, that creates that mobility energy, air, right? Both Gemini and Aquarius are air elements. Air cannot be stuck. Air needs to circulate, or that's the word I was using, the circulation system, which is related to the nervous system. So the planet itself is feeling and experiencing this movement of what I was saying is that if we are the nervous system, for example, humanity, a nervous system, or a reflection of the nervous system of the planet, then the planets being where they are right now, and for the next quite a while, are going to enable that or create that need for flow, need for movement, exchange, interchange of both ideas and locations. It can lead to migrations on a larger scale. People might feel inspired to move to different places that are more resonant with where they are at the moment. I can see that there can be new social systems establishing themselves, or the collapse of certain systems where people living in a certain places no longer resonate with whatever is happening, whether it's a policy, or they feel lonely, isolated for whatever reason, so they will be compelled to move. And so the energies of both Uranus and Pluto, Pluto are very conducive for that airflow, information flow, interchange, exchange, information exchange, as well as people gathering in new groups together. And then we do have, of course, the Aries energy through Neptune and Saturn. And if we just take Neptune alone, I mean, Neptune in Aries, I mean, if we take the like a lower vibrational expression, we're talking about religious wars, possibly. You see, Neptune combined with Martian energy can express itself in religious upheavals or ideological wars. And that in itself already can create havoc in certain countries, right? Where, as a result of that havoc and revolution or change of regime, they, a lot of people will be forced to migrate. So that Aries energy adds to the couple of Pluto and Uranus. So they all three together, they are about starting new processes, and Aries is about restarting, starting from scratch, like finding new ways of expression, new selves, right? Pluto breaks down the systems, Saturn does that too, so that new systems can arise. And we can see already now, already today, we can see the process of a lot of systems that have been established for so long, probably for centuries, if not more, are starting to crack. You know, it's, it's a process that it might be a healthy process, or at least it's, it's being supported by the cosmic energies. So whenever things crack and need to reform themselves, and some kind of new constructs need to be established, there is also migration associated with that. M, that's why I think that relocation astrology, astrocartography, astrolocality, and anything which has to do with astrology and new places, travel, moving, moving out, moving in, all of that is going to be very useful and very applicable and relevant in this coming energies.
So Natasha, you said that when you moved to Paris, it was kind of void. Like there just wasn't nothing. There was no chemistry. There was nothing activated. Is that because none of your natal planets were landing on any of the real sensitive cross, as you say, the ascended, descendant, MC, IC points, or or something else?
>> Not necessarily. The planets landing on the cross or MC, descendant, IC lines are the places where the planet comes to its strongest expression because it conjoins the angle. However, in order to find a place that you don't need to align with those lines, because there are so many other aspects that can be utilized to provide a beautifully looking relocation chart without planets sitting on the lines. It means that we are applying other aspects, like, for example, a trine between, let's say, a Sun, a Moon, and one of the angles, for example, Ascendant. That in itself is a very beneficial flow of energy. However, the mark in astro.com or any other app, it will not show any planet on the line. So that's when you go a step further. You generate the relocated chart, and then you're able to put the more dots together and see how the distribution of the planet is sitting in the houses and how it relates to the angles, astrological angles.
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Okay. So, can you tell us what changes and what doesn't when you relocate your chart? Certain things change, and other things remain the same. There's certain parts of our natal chart that are just constant, no matter where we are. What is the difference between those two things?
>> Well, you see that the architecture or the structure, relational structure of the planets, their relationship with each other, it's like a, like a 3D crystal that is being imprinted as our natal chart. That remains the same. You see, if you look at the natal chart without the houses, what you will see is geometry. Your own sacred inner geometry. The vibrational kind of structure of your system that is incarnated on the planet. Right? So the geometry between planets is frozen. It's your ID, vibrational ID, kind of thing, right?
>> So if you have an opposition or a square or a triangle space, okay.
>> Because that's your crystal.
>> Mhm.
>> That's the geometry of your astrocosmic signature. What is changing is the wheel, and as it moves across the planets, you know, every two hours, for example, we have a new ascendant lining up on the horizon. That's why we've got 12 signs that take 24 hours to make a full circle. So when you move significantly, not within a short distance, but that it means that your ascendant and all the points of the cross and the houses within the wheel are going to move, which means that the houses are going to have a whole different new characteristic. The ascendant, the descendant, of course, and the distribution of the planets within the wheel is going to be new, which gives a whole new layer to that geometry construct or that cosmic kind of imprint that we carry through the planets. It gives a whole new layer to it. So the planets are starting to express themselves in the new home. If you had Venus in the first house, for example, and that's where it lives naturally, and you move a little bit, all of a sudden Venus goes into the third, and that Venus starts looking out a little bit and starting to have a little bit of a third-round Gemini overlay or hue. You see what I mean? So we have a whole new synthesis between the planets and the houses.
>> Okay. I know you use my chart as an example, obviously, in the book, quite a bit, but then also in the relocational astrology class that you taught. So can we just, okay, I was born in California in the Bay Area. I moved to New York, and then I go to Hawaii. Can you use that as an example of how things changed and how different parts of me were elicited at those different places?
>> Yes, of course. And those who are going to read the book are going to see the details. But in short, by moving from California to New York, of course, you change the wheel. The wheel moves. You gain a new ascendant, which moves from Aquarius rising to Taurus rising. The planets move into whole new positions in the wheel. So your natal Sun and Venus, for example, are moving from the 12th house up to the 10th house.
That's a whole different story that you're starting. That's a whole new expression of your natal Sun Venus. And they, they kind of move out of the 12th house where they're sitting, and it's like, you know, how do I find myself? You know, how do I apply myself? Because the 12th house is not, is not necessarily, is not so easy to tap into, especially in the beginning of one's life. And there you go, and you move them up on top of the chart into the 10th house, in its own sign of Capricorn, that is the 10th house ruled, you know, it's ruled by Capricorn, and the qualities that you needed to express at that stage of your life through that chart and through that Sun Venus in the 10th house, they flooded out, like the doors open, and it's like, here, in this place, you're going to play out the story of your Sun Venus, which is not necessarily all the story of your life, but at this time and in this location, this needs to be exercised. So you gain an experience. And with it, for example, moving from Aquarius ascendant to Taurus ascendant, you're starting to ground more. You're like, "Ooh, manifestation. I need to produce. I need to accomplish." 10th house Capricorn, I need to be as successful as people around me. So all the qualities or part of the qualities of those archetypes are starting to get so activated. And of course, Taurus rising gives us a ruler, which is Venus, and it goes up to the 10th house in Capricorn. So all of these little, little things are almost like fueling the experience or expression of that part of you in that location. And if you read the book, you'll see how it unfolded. It fully got out, which had its highs and it had its lows, because the lows also were a part of a script. And then you moved to Hawaii because when the time has right, you know, and the time has come for you to realize that this is not the values I want to pursue through the Chiron that sits on the ascendant. I don't want to make it too complicated, but just to add a little bit of taste to what I'm saying. In Taurus ascendant, Chiron landed on your ascendant, current and Taurus. So that's a part of a plot. So when you started to ache and feel that Chiron started to tell you, like, is this it? Is this what I'm going to be? Which is like, what are the true values? What is the true goal in life? So that all of that transformational process and the impulse, like a soul calling to get out and start a whole new story, moved you to Hawaii. And so what happened in Hawaii is you have moved the natal ascendant to Capricorn. So just right there, when you move your ascendant, which is very important, it's like the most sensitive spot, like one of the most, it's like you ascend at that point. That archetype that lands on the horizon, their ruler of that ascendant, they are so important in the natal chart. So when you move the ascendant, you move the ruler, or you get a new ruler, and the ascendant, or the archetype of ascendant itself can tell us already a little, give us a little taste of what the experience might be. Just ascendant alone has that little hint. So when you moved with the intent to get out of that roller coaster of running after success, of achieving and accomplishing, making a bunch of money, and making that whole mainstream reality manifest, you move to the place where you thought you would chill.
[laughter] Totally. That's so funny. [laughter] And that happened. However, with a Capricorn rising, it's almost like I need new goals. I need new paths. I need new expression of my Capricornian Sun and Venus. So your Sun and Venus, that moved out of the 12th house into the 10th in New York, they moved to the first house instead in Hawaii. And what does it mean? All of a sudden, you have this immediacy. Sun and Venus are sitting in the first house. First house is the closest to our sense of self. So you are fusing together ascendant and your very core identity and your Venus, your value system into one, and they become aligned with each other. And through that, the true expression, the deeper, the more higher vibrational expression of that Sun and Venus of yours are coming out, and they become more accessible because the first house is super accessible because of the immediacy of the experience. And so by doing that, you aligned with a plan in a way that was there for you all along, perhaps. However, you needed to move physically in order to tap into that new energy coming from within.
How does this play in, Natasha? So, for example, I live on Maui. In the last few years, we had those outrageous fires in Lahaina that completely changed the landscape of that city and enforced migration.
>> Yes.
>> And also it brought to the surface the issues with the system of insurance. For example,
>> people who had been in a place for generations, not able to rebuild, and not able to stay because of policies, because of, you know, bureaucratic things. We also recently have just had major flooding and huge storms, and it's changing the face of a lot of other locations in these islands. How does this play in? Because I can, I mean, even just taking Maui, it's a tiny little microcosm in the world, and how it's shifted everything economically, even tourism is still way down, and so the economic impact is massive, accelerated rent and home ownership because now there's way less things to rent and way less land to sell. So everything has shifted, and I can just see it feels different here. There's less indigenous people here. There's less roots here. And so that's, I can just see it having this ripple effect. And if similar things are happening in other areas, which I know it is, can you read that in the astrological energies as well, in terms of like these physical changes? I mean, we had Pam Gregory on recently, and she was talking about how people are going to be living in trailers more, like caravan kind of life. And it's funny because my love is dreaming of an Airstream on just like property. He wants to live on one of those Airstream trailers.
>> Me too. Actually, me too. Same here. Yeah.
>> The tourist perfect trailer life is an Airstream. Yes.
>> Mobile homes.
>> Yes. Yes. So, I mean,
>> how is this impacting the desire to own a home, for example, and like the value that we have placed previously on home ownership and land ownership? I mean,
>> all these things. I'm, I'm just, I just asked you like five questions in one. So yes.
>> I'll remember them. You can address them as you remember them, and then I'll ask you again.
>> Okay. Well, the last thing you mentioned is like, you know, owning a home versus some new ideas. So this is the, the air, the feel of the times now is uprooting all that is like what we thought we love and we need and what gives us stability and security. All of a sudden, oh, maybe it's not so secure, or maybe I don't even need stability anymore because where I am now, my stability dwells within me. You see, we are also talking about people's consciousness moving along, which means that values are going to be changing. And people who would never imagine themselves before uprooting from their sweet nest, all of a sudden feel the call. It can be vice versa too. The nomads are like, "Okay, it's time to ground because the energy is too electric. It's too unstable." So some people will say, "Okay, I am getting out of here and I'm rooting on the land and I'm stabilizing in all this chaos." You see, that's also like it's a reverse, but it's, it belongs to the same principle. So what was another question, by the way? I wanted to mention another. There is like a whole new sub-race of humans which call themselves digital nomads, which I am a part of, actually.
>> And it's a growing community.
>> And I'm seeing whenever I open some internet or some Facebook groups, they're growing exponentially. There are so many more people who are just, you know, all the work they do is online, and all they need is an online connection to get by or to do, express themselves or write and so on. So that creates a whole, like millions of people who are finally can afford moving out of the place they never resonated with and go to an island in Greece just because they always dreamed of being there. So, for example, so that's also a part of that air movement, you know, digital Uranus, Aquarius, digital nomads. It's almost like captures the metaphorically the whole symbology of Aquarius combined with Gemini. So that's about uprooting and nomading. What was another part of the question?
>> Well, I, yeah. So this is this is fascinating, and I mean, it's one of the reasons I left New York is when I realized, "Oh, wait, hey, I don't have to live where I work." I could actually create something that is not contingent upon where I am physically. And that was a huge draw for me, because then it was like, well, then where would I go? And it was like, well, Hawaii. I've always wanted to go to Hawaii, right? So this was, this was 15 years ago, but it was like that digital nomad like itch. Maybe that's my Aquarius rising. But like already I was like, this is, this is cool. All right.
>> My other question was around sort of natural, natural or unnatural shifts in geography as a result of flooding or fires or, you know, those kinds of things that happen and it completely shifts the geography of a place.
>> Yes. And that's going to keep happening. There are people who are doing it way more than me. Important is about the geo, the effect on the planet. It's going to be continuing because remember I mentioned in the beginning, like we're part of the planet, and the planet is a part of our solar ecosystem, and the solar ecosystem is a part of larger systems like galaxies and so on. So everything is affected by those energies and it expresses itself in just different ways. For Earth, it can be how does Earth experience havoc or electric energies or waters and fires, you know, when the systems need to change. Because you see, like we are not separate. Like human might say, "I am moving to there," because of the planets, consciousness can say, "I'm going to shake off a couple of things because I'm going through a change." So it can also be that for us humans, seems like a catastrophe. Yeah. Can be a renewal or cleansing and restarting, a re, some new fresh vibe. And that in turn is going to affect little humans who live on the planet. And it's also going to be part of the reasons behind the moves, definitely. Like Maui, regarding the Lahaina burning down, I can't connect it to, I mean, I could connect it, go back and see when it happened and connect it astrologically. However, to me, it is a man-made disaster, and that kind of reflects a certain forces that are operating on the planet that are also fighting for their survival. And so all the forces, besides those forces, let's say that created that fire, whether are benign or they are having agendas, they're also trying to survive, and they're also in conflict with each other, you see. So there is, like, it's a multi-level structurization of the system, both as both physical planet and all the organisms and entities that live on it.
>> Okay. Fascinating. And when you said the thing about the earth shifting and the earth shaking things off, we literally had a boom of thunder. I don't know if you could hear it in the background, but it was just like, boom. Whoa. That's so cool.
>> She's speaking. She's talking.
>> Exactly. Okay.
>> We're on the same wavelength. So when we lived on the Big Island, and there would be a lava flow, for example, I feel like we got to witness when people had built these beautiful homes and started these beautiful farms and were doing amazing things, how it could be, it could go in a second.
>> In a second.
>> And and I remember just going, "Whoa." I mean, it was, it was a whole process of kind of shock around that truth that like,
>> everything is impermanent, even the things that don't seem impermanent, right?
>> So for anybody listening right now who is like, "This is kind of terrifying," because they would rather stay rooted, they would rather things be stable, they would rather be in their family generational home and then pass it down to their kids, they value that and they love that.
>> What do you say to them? Like, what do you say to clients who feel nervous about these kinds of things? And you alluded to it earlier, but I'd love you to like expand upon it. What if we're reading the astrological signatures and we're taking some cosmic curriculum from what the planets are showing us? Where can we find peace? Where can we find that sense of stability? And how do we cultivate that?
Well, if we speak esoterically, spiritually, then our home is within our heart and our oversoul, our, you know, our connection, heart, mind, soul connection. That's a true home. That's where we come from, and that's where we're going to go back to. So there is almost like a hint is coming from all these upheavals to remember and to re-evaluate what is truly lasting and perennial and what is transient. However, what when I'm talking about havoc, relocation, migration, it doesn't mean that all the populations are going to get up and go from all the countries. No. No. There are going to be people who will continue to live in their homes, passed on by generations. There will be new farms. Actually, there's going to be more of the farm movement even because people feel the call to ground and to live an organic life connected to the nature and the planet more. It's also a part of the movie. So I would not listen to what I'm saying and get nervous about a need. There's no need to move. However, a lot of people will feel also the call, and that happens naturally, organically. The call comes from within. There is no, some people will be imposed the need to move. However, a lot of people will just feel an inner need to restart something, an inner need to start fresh, to reset, to or to be somewhere where their resonance is at its maximum with whatever their inner nature is calling for. You see? So I'm talking more about that kind of moves that are going to come from the inner core. There are a lot of people who will want to join others in co-creating something in terms of communities or new co-living forms and formats, and that comes from within. The moves that are forced by earth upheavals and geopolitical upheavals are a part of the picture, and that is coming with a package. But people who are well-established and have in their nature to thrive while rooted, don't have a need to worry about it.
>> It always comes back to our natal design, doesn't it?
>> Exactly. Exactly.
>> It does. Absolutely.
>> I mean, I love what you're saying too about the restart and just completely have a completely different experience. I can speak from personal experience that those geographic moves, if you are feeling that itch for like, "I just want something totally new, totally fresh," I can't think of, I mean, besides having kids, that's another one that will just give you a completely different life experience, but moving really does that. It really like instigates so much change on so many levels. And understanding the astrology and what aspects of yourself you want to elicit, what aspects of yourself you want to bring out even more, is super powerful. And of course, I didn't know any of this when I was planning, when I was moving, because I didn't know anything about astrology. I would just feel a call to certain places, and those calls ended up eliciting. So sometimes we can just trust our intuition that we know where the next experience needs to happen.
>> And having the information from the astrology, I can imagine, like, I don't think I would ever dream of moving again without first looking at the location and what it's going to bring about for myself, for my children. And that was another thing is we were talking before we came on about a mutual friend that we have. I met her in Hawaii. She has since moved to San Diego, to Maine, to Spain, just moved all around the world with her children. And we have daughters at the same, basically the same age. And I was marveling at how geography has shaped these girls, and how their values have been shaped by where they've grown up, their values, their outlook on life, what they enjoy doing, what they're called to do after high school. It's all been shaped by their geography.
>> So it's just fascinating to think about. What if they had stayed here? Would they have similar values, or would they still be different? Like, would their natal chart have been different enough that they maybe would have been expressing the same things, but not to the same extent? Does that make sense?
>> Absolutely.
>> Oh, yeah. Of course. And remember that every place has its own on the planet has its own specific frequency, right? So when we come with our frequency and tap into that frequency, we either get the song melody that is harmonious together or not. And we often times can feel, "Oh, this place is so famous, everybody goes there. I come there, it's like, oh, it was okay." You know? And other places, which are not maybe as popular, we come there, and it's like, boom, I can feel the energy. Often times, what I noticed is that there is another layer to astrocartography exploration. First of all, I met a lot of people, including myself, that were already tuned into certain places or countries or cultures intuitively before they ever went there. It's almost like ancient memories would come up, or some sort of a connection that established in other lifetimes. They would feel drawn to that culture or that location, formed without understanding why, intuitively, and then they would land there. And when I would look at the chart in that location, it would only confirm an ancient or a past lifetimes' lives in that place. So that's when we go to the next level, and we can explain why there is like this culture, out of all cultures, I kind of recognize it. It feels familiar, like I know it from within. It resonates. I always remember it. So there is a fusion through that memory, and when you land there, you almost like, "Oh, I'm coming home." So that's another aspect of astrocartography that is often times brings you to places that you already had experiences in, or will have in your future lives, because it's all kind of like happen simultaneously. Another fascinating aspect of astrocartography is that we often, let's say, we are meant by our script to meet certain people, and these people at the moment they are on other continents somewhere else, but they are woven into the story of your soul journey, and you are failed. You need to meet them to continue something, right? The story that you wrote together. And then somehow circumstances are being put such way that you need to either go there for work, or you're just passing by, or somebody mentions, or something like that, by some mysterious reason, you end up there, and there you meet those, let's say, karmic allies, who also come there for their own reasons, and then the meeting happens. And then I saw that time after time, that's another most fascinating part. Now, the third most fascinating part of astrocartography, if I can speak more to that, is that sometimes we don't even need to go to the place where our powerful spots on the planet lies. Instead, we import people, literally, who were born on in those locations. That is, you know, that's when your mind gets blown, you know, when you do astrology. So you sometimes people don't even travel, and then they meet somebody who was born in a neighboring country or across the globe. They instantly get together, or they marry, or they become a team for whatever they are here to accomplish. And then you look at the chart of that person, and the place where he was born has the line running, or let's say, Mercury on the MC, where your own relocated chart shows. So you bring that person into your life, and that person almost like is an extension of that location. It is the most fascinating. I, my good friends here, a couple have met not in the place that neither of them was born, and they met in the third place, a city in Eastern Europe. And when you look at their relocated chart, that city has the Mercury of one of the couple running through it. And so the couple has Mercury conjunction in synastry. So it's a mercurial connection that have manifested through the meeting in that city. I hope I'm not complicating it too much. I just wanted to show all the spectrum of like literal magic and revelations that can be experienced and discovered through studying. It's so fascinating. It's, I mean, how did I meet you in Hawaii? You, you're from Russia, me from California, then New York, and a friend in New York told me to have a reading with you.
>> Yes. And we're in Hawaii. I mean, she was the one who found you and then said, "You need to have a reading with this woman," and you ended up living 10 minutes down the road from me. I mean, you weren't just in Hawaii. You were literally in my same town.
>> And it was just, I mean, talk about destiny, right? And things that needed to happen. So,
>> I hope you all are seeing how amazing this is. And if you're feeling curious to continue the exploration, now would be a great time to check out Natasha's class that she taught with us for our inner circle. It is now available to everyone. And so if you want to check that out and go deeper and start to play with your chart and your kids' charts and your partner's charts, that's also tricky when you're thinking you want to move somewhere with a family to find a place that is resonating with everybody. So, and I know Natasha, we've been down that road many times, but you can go to astrologyhub.com/relocation. Check it out. It is on sale right now for a limited time. And there is so much to explore here. I would love to also continue this conversation with you. Any of you who are interested in the book that Natasha and I wrote that is going to be available soon. I have been engaging with a little behind-the-scenes group of people who have been following the journey of getting this book published, and some of the stories and reflections, and we share free chapters if you want to start to dig into it. Actually, one of the free chapters you'll get when you sign up for the free behind-the-scenes list is the story of the first reading that I had with Natasha. And it goes into lots of intricate detail, and you'll get to feel like you were sitting there with us during that first reading. So that you can do at lifebythestars.com, and you'll be the first to know when the book is available. You're actually going to be the first to get access to the book when it's available. So I would love to hang out with you over in that little corner of the universe as well. Natasha, thank you. It is always such a pleasure. I love having these conversations with you. These are the kinds of conversations that we have like on our own, and so being able to share them with everybody is so much fun. Thank you all for being here. Thank you for being a part of our community. Thank you as always for making astrology a part of your life, and we will look forward to connecting with you on the next episode. Take care, everybody. [music]