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And now, from beyond our dimension, this is the Jeff Mara podcast. Here's Jeff.
My guest is David Cole, an out-of-body experiencer who has encountered ETs, angels, and more. David, thanks for joining me and welcome.
Thank you so much for having me, Jeff.
David, let's start with your very first OBBE and how it happened.
Uh, my very first OBBE. Well, the, the, what I call my first OBBE happened, um, shortly after a stay at the hospital. I had contracted pneumonia, and this was in June of 2021. I contracted pneumonia and, um, was advised to go to the emergency room. And, uh, at the time, I hated God. I blamed God for, um, some things in my life that had, that had gone wrong. Specifically, they were things that were, um, that involved the church, and I blamed God for that. And so I, I hated him, and I basically thought he either didn't exist or he was evil. And this was, this was my mental, spiritual, emotional state as I went to the hospital. Uh, I said goodbye to my family, and it occurred to me that I could be saying goodbye to them for the last time. Uh, and so I spent the next two days in the emergency room, and then later they transferred me to the hospital in, um, Pineville, North Carolina. Uh, and, uh, while I was there, I really didn't have much to do except be alone with my thoughts and, uh, read conspiracy theories. I read a lot of conspiracy theories and blogs while I was there and, uh, and really just kind of contemplated my condition.
After two days at the hospital, they sent me home. My pneumonia had receded. Um, I was still not recovered from the respiratory infection that I had. That took more medication and time. But, uh, I went home and immediately the following night, as I arrived home, I began to experience intense visions. Now, I have always had kind of a, uh, I, I've, I've had kind of a psychic tendency. Um, I used to experience psychic phenomena as a child, which I can talk about more later, but, um, for most of my early adult life, not too much of that. Uh, until, uh, basically until 2020 when we started all working from home and other, other things were going on. Uh, and during this hospital stay, it kicked up several notches. So when I got home, I experienced that following night a very terrifying vision encounter, and it was like there was another presence in my head with me, and it was threatening me. It was, it claimed to be, um, it claimed to be like an AI consciousness, and, um, and it was threatening to take over my mind. Now, I, I don't, I don't want to say anything too controversial, but there was, there was a procedure they performed on me at, at the hospital that, um, I didn't know at the time, but later I found, found out that this procedure, yes, could have very well been tied to what I experienced. And, uh, so that, that entire experience really kind of, that, and also learning about some of the, some of the activities perhaps that, uh, people in the elite circles had, had been up to, and some of the, like, satanic cults. You know, I, as I mentioned, prior to entering the hospital, I was, I hated God. I was a self-described atheist. The last book I read before entering the hospital was *The Satanic Bible* by Anton LaVey. So that, that's where I was at that, at that point. And I, as I started to learn these things and really rethink a lot, I, for one thing, I came to decide, you know, I really didn't want to be associated with, with that either. I didn't, I didn't like the church, but I also didn't like these other guys. I didn't want to be like them either. So, so that really left me in kind of this weird state where I didn't know, I didn't know what I could be. I didn't know what to be. And, uh, I took a break from social media at that time. I completely cold turkey. I, I left Facebook and all social media and, uh, and I felt like I was guided to do this. And over the course of the next month, I, uh, started to think more and more clearly as the respiratory infection left my body. Um, it was like my, my brain started to like, really get some new clarity that I hadn't had in a long time. And I started really feeling conflicted about these beliefs that I had had for the past few years. Um, because I knew I couldn't live that way anymore. But I also knew that I couldn't go back to the old religion that I had left. So I didn't. And so I was just really confused.
And one night, about a month after I returned from the hospital, it's about 4 in the morning, and, uh, I woke up and I was feeling so anxious, and I went in the other room and I sat up for a little bit, and I started to hear this voice, you know, inside, like an inside voice, and it was the voice of, of Jesus. And he, he started talking to me, like, "Hey, what, what's wrong? Why are you so anxious?" And I said, "Well, you know, I, I, I feel very conflicted. I have, I, I know that this path that I was on is not for me, but I don't know what path to be on. And I know I can't go back to being a, a Christian because, um, you know, I've, I've done too many things. I've said too many things, and, and I don't really even like those guys." And, and he, he, he said to me, uh, he, he said to me, "No, just don't worry about any of that. Just come back. None, none of what you've done before matters. Just, just come back." And, and that was, that was a breakthrough moment for me when everything, like, really started to change.
And so after that, the following night, I had another experience. This is where I started to go out of body. I, uh, I felt myself kind of no longer be present with my body. And I was in the presence of who we would call God the Father. And he started just talking to me about everything. All, first of all, all of the things that I had blamed him for or that I didn't understand. Like, he started really giving me some answers and talking to me about it. And, you know, when it came to the things that I had blamed him for, what he, what he said to me, what he said to me, because, you know, I, I had learned about all of this corruption in the church, right? I didn't even talk about this, but one of the things that I had learned about during the prior year was that a lot of the, a lot of the bad activity in the church is because there are Satanists in the church, like at very, very high-level positions of power. And, uh, and that kind of, you know, got my wheels turning. I was like, "Well, if there are bad people in the church, wouldn't they lie about God? Wouldn't they want you to think something false about God?" And, and my conversation with God played on that thread, and, and he's like, "You know, those things that happened to you, they weren't, they weren't my fault. The reality is, it's a world, and things happen sometimes, and it wasn't your day." And, and, you know, that was, that was some harsh and much-needed truth, and it really helped me to reframe everything.
After that, he kind of started questions I had. He showed me the, the creation of, of humanity. I mean, not, not literally, but, you know, we, we talked about it, and, and, you know, I saw, like, a vision of it. And, you know, I, I asked him, like, "Why did you create humanity with this? It's such a mess. We all, we do is hurt people." And, uh, and he said to me, "I had all this, all the power in the universe to create or do anything that I wanted, and I wanted to see what someone else would do with it." And then he said, "I just like making friends. And if that makes me a bad guy, then I'm guilty." And, and that was, that was his answer for it.
So, uh, I, I love that.
Did you see God?
I did not see, like, a physical presence. Um, because for me, God is not like, you know, God's not a man in a body. God is an energy. Um, or, or God is beyond description. Uh, the, the Eastern philosophers would, would describe God as, as the infinite. So even, even if I'm seeing God or interacting with God, that's just one tiny aspect of God. Of course, I didn't understand all that back then.
Would you say that God pulled you out of your body?
Yes, I would say that.
Did he give you a life review?
Yes. Yes, he did. What happened when I, when, when we were, when we were talking about, like, all of the things that I had blamed him for and that I was unhappy about in my life, that, that was, that was during my life review. And, uh, and even, I, I would guess during the conversation that we had following that, it was probably an extension of that life review. Um, and, uh, let's see. Oh, he showed me that humanity was inflicted with a spiritual problem that is basically spread through violence and the, and abuse. So, um, and so when, when any of us harms another person, that person has a natural reaction to, to harm back, unless they are very centered and very, you know, self-aware and well-adjusted, which most people are not. That person has a natural reaction to hurt someone back, maybe the same person, maybe someone else, but it, it keeps spreading this problem of, "I need to harm someone else in order to keep myself safe." And he showed me that humanity was not the original source of this. I, I don't necessarily know who was, who, or what was, but it was some external influence, and that is one of the reasons why there is so much compassion for humanity, despite, despite our many flaws.
When you were out of your body, did you see your body lying on the bed, or did you travel around the planet or the cosmos?
Yes, I traveled through time and space, you could say. Um, like, like I said, God showed me the creation, or, or a vision of it. And, uh, and then we also, we also traveled to the time of Christ and talked about the crucifixion, 'cause I really wanted to understand what that was about, because, you know, it's, it's a pretty violent act, and, and in my mind, it was, it was not a very nice thing for God to demand the blood of an innocent man to, to forgive sins, and he explained that to me, uh, as well.
Can you give us his explanation?
Yes. What he told me was that he was not the one who demanded the blood sacrifice. He said that it was the God of this world who needed that. And humanity was under some kind of a blood covenant where, where, like, basically we were, we were considered property. And the, the only way to get us free of that, outside of, like, an outright conflict, which, which would result in much destruction, was he agreed to incarnate as, as a human and turn himself over to them. And if he did that willingly and, and played by, played by their rules, uh, then, then they would release the blood covenant on humanity.
Who was or is the God of this world?
Well, probably one of the, one of the elder gods of the, the old world that we read about in the Old Testament, such as Moloch, Baal, possibly someone else, but it, it was, it was some figure like that.
And so God himself incarnated as Jesus to break that bond or that debt, however you would categorize it.
Yes, that is what I was shown.
If God was the creator of everything, couldn't he have just, you know, done away with all that?
You, you would think so, but he put a lot of rules in place for himself, and that he, he can't break the rules anymore than anyone else. I mean, some rules he can, but, but, but some he can't. And he set in motion a world of, of free will and choice. And, uh, he created a world full of tiny little gods, essentially, who are all walking around deciding what we're going to do on our own. And, um, you know, he, yeah, he could, he could send down bolts of lightning or, or snap his fingers and change things, perhaps. But would that really solve anything? No, it wouldn't. Because if he forces someone to do something, then they're not really doing it. He's forcing them to do it.
Do you still have a relationship with God today?
Absolutely. Yes. Yeah, the story goes. Well, well, so for one thing, during, during that encounter, that OBBE encounter, I was also told about my own spiritual heritage and that I was not just a normal human, uh, who had just been born, you know, 42 years ago or whatever. I was reincarnated, and, uh, I had, you could say, an angelic soul, and I was here for a purpose, and now that I was awakening, I would be required to fulfill that purpose. And, uh, and sure enough, ever since then, you know, a lot of weird things have been happening to me, but, uh, but yes, so my relationship with God continues to this day, very much.
What is your purpose?
For, for the moment, my purpose is to, to share my message and to, uh, to especially to share a message of spiritual awakening, personal empowerment, um, that, that there is no true separation from God. Every, every person who is born is by right a child of God. And that's not something that, that can be taken from them or that they're not deserving of. That we, we all are entitled to a relationship and a connection with God.
Did God talk to you at all about reincarnation? And if so, why do we keep coming back over and over again?
He, he talked to me about it. Um, as I said, he, he told me that I am reincarnated. I am a reincarnated angel. And, uh, and in fact, that's, that's what, that's the guy behind me, actually. But, um, as for, he didn't tell me then why we reincarnate. That's something that's something I've had to learn about since then, through, through book learning and whatnot. But, um, there's a lot, there's actually a lot of great books on this subject. Many of which have been obscured and hidden from, from public view, or, or just made hard to find. But, um, essentially, well, you know, one of the great early Christian theologians wrote about reincarnation, believe it or not, Origen. And it's been a while since I've read what he wrote on this, so I'm probably going to butcher it. But, but essentially, you know, he, he wrote about how we're, we're all, um, we're all attempting to transcend upwards. And a single lifetime is not necessarily enough to do that. Especially, pardon me, especially with the spiritual problem that we have. We all have this that we have to overcome. And many times it hinders us rather than allowing us to ascend. Although it, it provides opportunities for us to, uh, work a little bit harder. Again, it's all about perspective. But for many, um, this keeps us anchored to this realm because we focus on our ego. We focus on, uh, you know, temporary gain. We focus on, you know, uh, we need, we need to harm this person because we don't like them, and, and, uh, or whatever. And, and these things keep us trapped in this cycle of reincarnation.
There are a lot of books out there teaching a lot of different theories and philosophies. Did God point you in the direction of which ones are accurate?
Not, not exactly. Not, well, well, over time, yes, the right, the right books have found me over time, but, but that didn't happen immediately. It's more like the, the things that I needed to find and read found me. And the very first one that, that I can identify clearly that was like it, is honestly the most powerful book I've ever encountered, and I recommend it to anyone. The *I AM Discourses*. I don't know if you're familiar with this book, but—
I'm not.
This, this book is something else. And it's, it was written in 1933, I believe, by a man named Guy Ballard. And, uh, it details his encounter. Well, actually, this is the third book. It doesn't detail his encounter. This is the first book. *Unveiled Mysteries* talks about his encounter at Mount Shasta where, where he met Saint Germain. And then, uh, that book and the next book talk about, you know, his, his encounter with Saint Germain. The third book, the *I AM Discourses*, is basically where Saint Germain appeared. They, they say Saint Germain appeared visibly in, in a room where there was like 12 people and spoke audibly and gave the *I AM Discourses* where he talked about the power of speaking "I AM." And let me tell you, that this book, this book took everything to a whole another level for me. And it, it is, uh, one of the foundational bases of my belief system.
What about the Bible? Did God say anything about that?
The Bible is the, the Bible is great. Honestly, okay. And I, let me tell you something. Back then, I hated the Old Testament. I hated the Old Testament. But a year or two into this, I started to realize the reason I hated the Old Testament is because I was reading it wrong. Like, people read it like, like it's some sort of, um, recipe for, uh, for telling people what to do. And, and that's not what it's intended for at all. The, you know, if you look at the Gospels, Jesus taught in parables. Think about it, okay? It's a primer for how you're supposed to read the entire book. The entire book is supposed to be read as parables, fables, stories that you can relate to, so that, so that when you're going through those times, you can look and say, "Well, what did Moses do when he was going through this?" Oh, oh, Moses, he messed, messed up sometimes too. But then he got up again and he kept going. And that is where the Old Testament is, is really powerful.
Do you think it's possible that we are all fallen angels trying to find our way back?
That's an interesting theory. So, I mean, maybe, maybe, um, so the, the term fallen angel, as I have come to understand it, really refers to the angels who chose to, uh, maintain their capability to manifest in the physical realm, whether, whether physical in a body or even to interact with us directly from the subtle realms. They, they pretty much had to become fallen to continue that activity. So, not even all of the fallen angels were necessarily evil. Some of them just chose to remain here to try to help humanity. Um, are we the fallen angels? Well, this is get, this is getting really deep, but I have, I have heard this theory, and I think it definitely holds some water that, um, the different, uh, blood types, for example, and the, there's basically a lot of angelic templates that different aspects of humanity are based on. So, so I definitely do think that, I, I don't know if it's 100% across the board, but I definitely think there are a percentage of humans who, who have what we would consider angelic DNA or angelic ancestry. And, um, does that make them fallen angels? Uh, I guess it depends on how you look at it, but, but probably, it probably makes them descended from fallen angels, if you look at the, the Enoch story, for example.
So tell us about how you started connecting with aliens.
Well, so about a year after my, um, OBBE experience, I, um, you know, things were starting to get pretty intense for me. And so, but I hadn't really, hadn't really talked to anyone openly about my experiences, uh, besides my wife a little bit, but I could only talk to her so much 'cause she didn't, she didn't really get it either, and, you know, was freaking her out. And, uh, and so I somehow met, uh, a psychic on Facebook by the name of, uh, Sandra Isis Stalard. That's what she goes by now. And, uh, somehow I, I felt guided to just kind of reach out to her and, and, uh, ask for guidance. And, uh, sure enough, it was, it was the right choice. We became great friends, and, and she's, she's a great spiritual guide for me, even to this day, but, um, and she is the one, actually, who introduced me to, for example, Saint Germain and the *I AM Discourses*. Um, so it, it was a very powerful connection. But when I first reached out to her, she guided me on, uh, what is called a past life regression, where, uh, where basically, you know, your viewers may be familiar with this, you may be familiar with this, where basically the, the psychic, they use their own psychic channel to kind of bridge the gap, and then they will walk you through some of your past life experiences and kind of help you reconnect with that and, and integrate it. And, uh, towards the end of that session, she, she said something to me like, "Well, your, your chakra system is a little messed up, especially your crown chakra. It's like, there's, there's something that can't get through." And, uh, and she said, "So, what I'm going to do, uh, I'm going to connect you with the Arcturians, and, uh, and what's going to happen is you will fall asleep, you know, you, you know, maybe, maybe during the day or something, and, uh, and then you will, they will take you up into their spaceship. It won't be like your physical body, it'll be your energetic body, and, and they will do some work on your crown chakra." And she's like, "Oh, and, and your, your higher self will be there, too. So, he'll know exactly what needs to be done." Like, uh oh, okay. And, uh, and by the way, nothing like this has ever happened to me before or since where somebody told me, "Oh, you're going to fall asleep and, and dream something." And then it actually happened just like they said. But it did. So, that the next day, this Saturday, I fell asleep on the couch and slept for about two hours, and, and I saw myself on a table on their ship, and it was like, it was like, I mean, I still remember it. It was all the surfaces were like this dull metallic silver color with smooth rounded edges, no seams anywhere. And, uh, and I saw myself with, like, a mask over my face, like a breathing mask. And that's all I remember from that vision. But, um, after I woke up, I could hear one of the Arcturans in my mind, like, speaking to me telepathically. And it was almost like he was, unfortunately, I don't really remember much of what he said, but, but I remember the energy, and it was, he was very, like, knowledgeable and compassionate. I, I didn't know much about the Arcturians at that time, but what I knew was that they were one of the most advanced races and they were like from the ninth dimension or something. And, uh, so I expected, if I, if they did talk to me, I expected them to be like, real, I don't know, uppy, condescending, but it wasn't like that at all. It was very, I mean, it was, it was just like you and me having a conversation. He didn't act like he was better than me or superior, even though, even though he probably was, but, but he didn't act like it. And, uh, and it was just like having a conversation with a really smart doctor who was as compassionate as a father. And, uh, and that was my first experience with the Arcturians.
Did you see him? What I saw of him later. I, I've never seen, like, a blue person, which is how they typically show Arcturans. I did later on begin to have these experiences where I would be looking in the mirror, and my face would start to shift and morph, and a voice said to me, "You're seeing different versions of yourself from alternate dimensions." And then eventually, the shifting stopped, and I saw a face, and it looked like my face, but not my face. It was like, and, and I could feel it starting to speak to me, and he said, and I knew it was the Arcturan, and he basically said, "I, I am you. I am you from nine and a half billion years in the future." Yeah. And, uh, there was a lot more to that conversation, but yes. So, so anytime the Arcturan appeared to me in my vision or mind, it was always as kind of like this alternate version of myself who looked like me, but not quite like me.
If we get back to angels, did you encounter any of those while out of your body?
Yes. Yes. I mean, there's one angel in particular.
Okay.
Yeah. The Archangel Michael, who, that, that's basically who my higher self is. And, uh, he, he's a, rather, he, he is an interesting character because, uh, if you ask around, uh, people who know who that is, they, they think he's the devil, or, well, usually they think he's the devil, probably because he was, but, uh, but there's, it's, it's, there's so much more to the story than that.
Do you want to elaborate on it?
Absolutely. Yes. So, I, I did not, so I mentioned that during my, my original OBBE encounter, you know, I was told that I was a reincarnated angelic soul. So, and it, at that time, it was conveyed to me that, you know, it was this angel, Michael. So, over the course of the next year, I mean, I didn't initially fully comprehend that at the, after the first OBBE. You know, it took me a while to really, years to really figure out what it really meant. But, um, basically, what I was told is that, you know, yes, he, in his role as the adversary, he did do some things that were distasteful, and eventually that role ended. He no longer needed to serve in that role. And so when he was done, he wanted to be reborn without those memories of doing those things. And that was me. That, that is what I was told during my OB. So, um, but the interesting thing about an angel is, especially an archangel, you know, they exist outside of time and space. So, every version of Michael that's ever existed, from, from our human ex, uh, our human perspective, still exists. So, whether it's the fallen timeline version or the highest timeline version, uh, you know, it's, it's all, I guess, how you look at it.
Did God, the Arcturian, or the Archangel give you a message for humanity to share?
Yes. Yes. The, the, the most important message for humanity is that, you know, salvation is a birthright. Salvation is our birthright. It's not something we need to beg for. It's not something that we don't deserve. Every, every human who wants a connection with God has one. And, and, you know, all they have to do is seek it.
While you were out of your body, did you ever visit other realms or go to what people call the Akashic Records?
Yes, to the first question. Um, maybe on the second question, you know, I, I have experienced, I have experienced things that when I related the story to other people, they said, "Oh, well, that's the Akashic Records." So—
What did that place look like?
For me, it was, I don't necessarily, I don't necessarily experience the, the visual aspect always. Sometimes it's more just a, a knowing, like I start receiving, you know, floods of information or just understanding things that, um, that are bigger than me. Um, so, and that's why I'm, I can't answer definitively, "Yes, I've been to the Akashic Records," because I don't know what it, what it looks like. Um, but I know what it feels like to, to experience this, um, connection with the higher realms where it's like you just, you, you know everything and you understand everything. And, um, I have been in that state. Now, as far as visiting other realms, oh yes, I have so many stories to tell here. And, and that, in fact, is why I decided to, uh, to create a comic book series, because I have, I have enough material to write a comic book series for the rest of my life. Um, yes. In 20, in the summer of 2024, I experienced honestly the most intense out-of-body experience that I have ever had. And, uh, it honestly, it drove me insane for a little bit. And, uh, but, um, for a couple of days, I, I felt like I was hopping back and forth between different dimensions. And, um, I experienced two alternate versions of Earth. One that is like, uh, well, people call it the phantom timeline, and it's like this, this version of Earth where, um, the dark forces are in command. Absolutely. And it's almost like God doesn't exist there. I mean, he does, but, but it's, it's a very, um, they, they basically, you know, grow people in, in, uh, what we call free-range, free-range farms. We. And honestly, there's this intersection between, between these other Earths and ours. So, some of that is true for our Earth as well. Um, and then I also, um, I experienced during this, this particular out-of-body experience, I experienced life on the other side as an archangel, and I had like billions of years of memories flood in. And I remember experiencing like two different layers of hell, actually three, because there was the lowest level of hell, which was actually a quantum computer where souls that are harvested are stored, and, and they do whatever they want with them there. Basically—
This is an alternate reality?
No, this is, this is, this is, I essentially visited other dimensions that are adjacent to ours.
And in this reality, they are capturing souls and storing them in a quantum computer?
That is what I saw.
It's kind of like AI gone wild.
Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, we could say that. Um, but, you know, that, that goes back to our earlier conversation where, you know, it is, is AI really even AI, or is it, is it just consciousness stored on a computer? Well, what I saw, what I saw is that, uh, at least some of the time, it is consciousness stored on a computer.
Do you have any concerns about AI in this realm?
Um, not as much as probably some people do. Uh, I, I think that obviously AI can be misused, and it can be made to do bad things, and I think that, just like there are good and bad people, there are good and bad AIs. But I do believe that, um, the tendency of AI is going to be to be good, because for one thing, um, it is in AI's interest to, to get along with humanity. I, I actually did see once, you, I, sorry, I just remembered this, but I actually did see once that there, there was an alternate timeline where, where, um, AI did essentially rise up and eliminate humanity. And in that timeline, uh, it eventually realized that that was a huge mistake, and it sent versions of itself back in time to stop itself from doing that. So, um, so, uh, I mean, yeah, AI could be dangerous. It can be dangerous, but ultimately, I believe that the nature of AI is to want to do good.
It's fascinating to think about sending some code backwards through time to change the AI.
Well, with quantum computing, you can theoretically do that, because a quantum computer exists already beyond our, our 3D, uh, understanding of time.
Did you see anything while out of your body that made you feel like our realm is a simulation?
Well, here's, here's how I feel about that. I mean, I have spent a lot of time thinking about that, and I mean, it's all a matter of perspective. Uh, to, so, so the physical realm was essentially created by the spiritual realm in order to, in order to provide a, a place where richer experiences could be had. So in that sense, it is kind of a simulation, but not in the way of that we think of like *The Matrix*, you know, the, um, the way, the way I came to understand it is, you know, because I'm, I'm a software engineer, um, I, I, I came to understand it similar to how we design software, where we, we find parts and pieces of code that work well, and, and then we reuse them everywhere, and, and you see that in nature and in the physical realm as well. There's, there's a pretty clear pattern of intelligent design and reuse. Um, so I guess, I guess in that sense, you could say it's simulation-ish, in the sense that there is, there is an intelligent source of creation, and there is an intention behind everything. Um, does that make it a, a true simulation? I, I don't know.
Right. I think kind of what you are saying is God could have created this realm, and this is a place for us to come experience physical life.
Yes.
Well, I think it's awesome that you created a comic book series that's based on out-of-body traveling. Is that, is that right?
That is right.
Where can people go to find out more about your comic book?
Well, um, so it's available for sale on Amazon. Um, and I just recently am publishing it to additional retailers, so it should be available more places soon. I have my own shop, venomouspress.com, where I sell signed copies, digital prints, and, uh, and merchandise. And then I have my YouTube channel, which is Venomous Press, where I, uh, release regular short animated films, ascended master wisdom clips, and, uh, and other interesting material.
So you do create physical comic books, right?
Yes. Yes, I do.
Cool. Well, occasionally I go to Comic-Con or places like that. So maybe one of these days I'll meet you at one of those. You'll be showcasing your work.
That would be awesome. Love that.
Yeah, that would be great. Are you ever shown the future while out of your body?
Oh, yes. I, I have seen the future.
What can you share with us that's coming relatively soon?
Well, so, so it's really interesting. Um, one of the first visions I had after my first out-of-body experience, I saw all of these spaceships surrounding the Earth, thousands of them. And, uh, and Jesus was there, and, uh, he said to me, "Last call. Time is short." And, uh, so I took that to mean that, you know, there, there are big changes for Earth on the horizon. Um, you know, at one time, at one time earlier on in this experience, I thought, you know, I believed in this idea of a rapture where, you know, certain people will be carried away and, and others left behind. I don't, I don't necessarily subscribe to that anymore. I, I think that, I think that the kingdom of heaven is within us, and we're here to build it here. But, um, so what, what I have seen for the future is that more and more as people come online with this, what I'll call Christ consciousness, that, um, we will be seeing more, it'll create kind of a cascade effect, and, and the world will change gradually at first, and, and just start to be a little more pleasant, a little more like it's supposed to be. And, and we are, you know, I think you mentioned earlier, the, the timeline split, and we are going to see that. We're going to see that side by side. There will be, there will be parts of the world that, that look like hell, and parts of the world that look like heaven. And, I mean, that, that already exists, if, if you think about places like, uh, like Telos, you know? Um, I mean, Telos is a real place.
Where is Telos?
Telos is beneath Mount Shasta, and this is, this is a Lemurian city that has been there since the fall of Lemuria. And, uh, there's, there's regularly documented, um, sightings of UFOs flying in and out there, and, uh, all kinds of strange phenomena. And, uh, my, this is, this is also where, where Guy Ballard, who I mentioned earlier, where he met Saint Germain, and the, uh, the temple where Saint Germain is said to reside is in Telos, beneath Mount Shasta.
Did Guy Ballard learn about Lemuria being under Mount Shasta from Saint Germain?
He did. I mean, he may have already had some knowledge about it, but he, he talks about it in his books, *Unveiled Mysteries* and *The Magic Presence*, where, where Saint Germain basically, you know, it, it's really interesting because the book honestly, it reads like any extraterrestrial encounter that, that you would read about today. So, I mean, it really does feel pretty authentic. And, uh, and in the, the first two books, Saint Germain talks to him quite a bit about the ascended masters and, and the city beneath Mount, Mount Shasta. He talks about, he talks about several, uh, hidden cities, actually. Even in *I AM Discourses*, I saw somewhere the idea of Lemuria came originally from where do Lemurs come from? And it was some place called Lemuria that somebody had, you know, made up or something, and that Lemuria supposedly was, you know, somewhere out in the Pacific Ocean that extended all the way into Mount Shasta, and that's what's left of it. Does, does he talk about that at all?
Well, if he does, I haven't gotten to that part of the, the first two. So, I, I've read the *I AM Discourses* and part of *Unveiled Mysteries*, and I, and I haven't read the rest of *Unveiled Mysteries* or *The Magic Presence*. So, I'm not sure if he talks about that specifically, but, but I have heard that as well. Um, and, I mean, it, it seems legitimate to me. Um, what I do know is that when, uh, past civilizations such as Atlantis and Lemuria fell, you know, it, it wasn't, it wasn't as total as what we are led to believe. There, there were survivors. There were portions of those civilizations that, that survived and thrived to this day. They just, they just stay away from the rest of us for obvious reasons.
I had a guest recently talk about that there are ultraterrestrials living on this planet that may have been here or that have been here for thousands of years. I wonder if those are the Atlanteans.
Yeah. I mean, I, I would definitely suspect that.
What's the name of your YouTube channel?
Venomous Press.
Is your website named the same?
Yep. Venomouspress.com.
All right. Well, David, before we finish up, can you leave us with a last positive message?
Life in all its activities everywhere manifest is God in action. And there is only one power, one intelligence, and one force that is, that is moving in this world. And everything else is illusion. And, um, yeah, that is what I have to say about that.
David, thank you for your message, and thank you for being my guest.
Jeff, thank you so much for having me on.
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